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Debateventingandcrying/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:09 PM
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you’re using severity to solidify your argument but your argument is still “women have it harder so get over it” and I don’t understand why so many people think that’s a valid argument
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 11:08 PM
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a lot of people say this in response… does that make misandry ok tho? did i indicate in my post somewhere that misandry is MORE harmful than misogyny? i’m genuinely asking here cuz i’m confused why i’ve gotten this response multiple times now
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 08:20 AM
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i’m equality for all regardless of gender-pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 07:52 AM

“don’t hate men just for being men, even in jokes” “i don’t care” thank you for your contribution! now i have an example of the people i’m talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:59 PM

right because women are perfect and beautiful and can never do anything wrong! you know what, you convinced me men are less human than women! let’s give them less rights, in fact let’s just kill em all! it’s like you’re some kind of bot made to blame men for everything. i said “misandry bad” and you said “it’s men’s fault” like get a hold of yourself and try to think of ways we can solve both misandry and misogyny so we can finally have gender equality
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 11:31 AM

both bad! bad in different ways but both need to stop!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 11:22 AM

i misread your comment, i didn’t misread your intention which is to dismiss what i said
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 11:21 AM

u seem to be having trouble responding directly to my points tho (ex. i had to repeat a question just to get you to respond to it) it’s called arguing in bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 08:11 AM

i never said “misandry kills more than misogyny” i said “there’s too much casual misandry and that’s not ok just like casual misogyny isn’t ok”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 08:01 AM
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don’t know what makes you think i don’t know where it comes from, i’m well aware since you stated it yourself in a previous comment but since we both agree that the jokes are still wrong then the history is just additional context, you’re assuming a lot instead of just engaging with the facts of what i’m saying
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:55 PM
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well that’s not a fair argument, both need to end but hate in response to hate makes no sense a lot of young men don’t even really know why we are saying it to them cuz they just got here but here we are genuinely laughing telling men to kill themselves they feel persecuted and alienated before they’ve even had the chance to grow into a good man first
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:57 PM
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yes i agree with all of that! now could you answer what i was talking about? which was how the jokes, even though not as harmful, still aren’t ok? right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:51 PM
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so why do we care about misogynistic jokes? cuz they’re wrong right? it’s inherently wrong to hate someone because of the gender their born as and it only causes harm even as a joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:25 PM
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there was a big SHIFT tho, a lot of people that voted blue or didn’t vote at all went red. something caused that and i think this could be one of them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 11:33 AM
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ask a girl about other women’s hygiene once and she’ll tell you some of the nastiest shit you’ve ever heard in your life
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 06:01 AM
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in some cases sure, but misandry doesn’t get talked about enough remember that social experiment video that went around where a guy pushes a girl who isn’t fighting back in public and everyone comes up to him and immediately stops him, but then they have a girl full on beating a man who isn’t fighting back and people don’t care… some of them even laugh! this is what i’m talking about, misogyny on an institutional level is a problem cuz people in power tend to be men, but on an interpersonal leve…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 05:17 AM
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yes! women can be just as dirty, mean, ignorant, and selfish as men because we’re all human beings FIRST you can understand the harmful effects of misogyny while also acknowledging the harmful effects of misandry but misandry is becoming more and more socially acceptable while actual misogynists take advantage of guys that don’t like that fact
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:55 AM
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ironic that you accuse me of not listening, rereading your own responses to me might enlighten you on somethings men are lonely but women aren’t so who cares what men think? you’re so right no issues here. continue on as per usual and never reevaluate anything that we, as those advocating for equality, MIGHT BE DOING WRONG
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:40 AM
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i’m genuinely amazed thats what you read from my comment i said don’t alienate yourself from an entire group of people and you read begging for attention somewhere in there?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:28 AM
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you can’t read you didn’t read my comment at all
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 01:51 AM
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i’m sorry that happened to you but look at how you talk about such a broad issue“men are lucky the worst women do is ignore them” yup that’ll get more of them on our side, keep up the obvious hate and disdain you have for them if you want us all to stay divided you realize you’re alienating yourself from a majority of the world right? like at least half of it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 12:04 AM
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i agree in a sense but it’s the “more serious today” part where you lose me and a lot of the people perpetuating the misandry they should be treated with the same level of seriousness for the ways in which they affect people! we should care more about women’s safety and we should care more about men emotionally
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:42 PM
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we live in 2024, even when people are outside they are on their phones, the internet is an integral part of the world. there is a loud minority of people that think misandry is ok as a response to misogyny and it swayed the majority of men’s politics in this country
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:32 PM
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we live in 2024, even when people are outside they are on their phones, the internet is an integral part of the world. there is a loud minority of people that think misandry is ok as a response to misogyny and it swayed the majority of men’s politics in this country
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:32 PM
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we live in 2024, even when people are outside they are on their phones, the internet is an integral part of the world. there is a loud minority of people that think misandry is ok as a response to misogyny and it swayed the majority of men’s politics in this country
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:32 PM
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i was asked to provide examples of the casual misandry, thank you for being one
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:29 PM
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why am i being attributed the debt of misogyny when i fight for women’s rights and issues? now i know you probably didn’t mean me personally but what i’m pointing out is how easily the misogyny label is applied, which alienates men that WANT TO HELP! i’m not attributing all casual misandry to all women, this is a wider spread issue than that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:29 PM
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it’s hard to find evidence for a general trend thats been going on since 2014 gamergate thats now reaching the height of an issue. no one ever disagrees when i say the misandry was a response to the misogyny of that era, but its been 10 years and bigotry instead of bigotry still leaves people feeling excluded when we need coalitions https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/JGL3YJWekq
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:23 PM
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something i’ve noticed: bringing up women’s issues in response to men’s issues, bringing up the problems with misogyny when someone brings up the problems with misandry, solves NEITHER OF THE PROBLEMS people online have been saying “stop having sex with men,” but even if they are deciding along political lines it still exacerbates the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:18 PM
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“i’m not convinced we should focus on the problems both genders deal with if we want to achieve gender equality” “misogyny happens to women more so who cares about misandry” your thought process leaves us staying divided and doomed to die alone
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:16 PM
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do you see how you bring up history that men ON YOUR SIDE don’t relate to? do you understand that if your male friends came to comment under you and say “hey maybe misandry and misogyny are bad” the response would quickly be “you don’t care enough about women’s issues?”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:13 PM
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i’m noticing the people disagreeing seem to have a hard time self reflecting, they sound exactly like misogynists just flipped in the other direction
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:09 PM
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do you genuinely believe it’s ok for women to SA men? thats casual misandry
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:07 PM
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you coming to the conclusion that the source of the problem is men is misandristic. there’s always more nuance to these situations but it has become okay on the internet to blame it all on men with no pushback
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 04:21 PM
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thats misandry too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 04:19 PM
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i hold up this post and its comments and say to you, look! people don’t agree with me! why is saying misandry is bad getting so much pushback? because the trend on the internet is to assume the worst of the people that don’t agree with the general sentiment have you considered there might be men actively fighting for women’s issues right now that don’t like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:59 PM
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and instead of solving both we’ve been treating misandry like it’s ok in retaliation
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:37 PM
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what i’m trying to get to the bottom of is why that appealed to so many people? there are some women who oppose “kill all men” jokes, but the majority of men and women (and all other genders) all make misandristic jokes like it’s ok and that turned the internet into an echo chamber alienating a lot of men in
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:35 PM
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you’re too blinded by your own ideals to understand how strange that sounds while misandry might not be as destructive as misogyny, it is real and acting like it isn’t is alienating yourself from a very large group of people
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:31 PM
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yes! like people are joking to other women’s faces that their husbands, brothers, sons, should kill themselves… it’s kinda weird when you think about it huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:23 PM
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we live in 2024, even when people are outside they are on their phones, the internet is an integral part of the world. there is a loud minority of people that think misandry is ok as a response to misogyny and it swayed the majority of men’s politics in this country
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:20 PM
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so there wasn’t a single man in america that opposed trump? seems a little hard to believe, but i do think this misogyny might be a response to something don’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:18 PM
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that’s bad as well, NOBODY should be hated just for the way they are born!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:16 PM
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my thing is i think we need to start small, they talk about such radical changes like it can happen tomorrow
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:15 PM
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i agree that the internet might be run by men but anyone that questions the general consensus is downvoted or just told there wrong. i’ve been scrolling through a lot of reddit posts on this topic and it’s just full of people saying “you don’t care about women’s issues” i mean cmon how many people do you see ceding any ground in THIS POST? i can’t even get that many people to say that yes misandry is bad edit: wait wait WAIT run it back, did u just say trans women and males are the same thing???…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:39 PM

i used to roll my eyes at conservative cries about hypocrisy on the left, but now i think if they’re only right about one thing it might be that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:27 PM
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so the answer is no, you have nothing to say on the topic i brought up. you just want to misdirect to stir up more anger instead of solving the issue, have fun with that by yourself u really got me there bro, hate rape but love violent misogyny u caught me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:24 PM
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you should reread your own comment cuz you contrasted the damage done by the two issues, which misandry obviously has drastically less in, implying the level of importance you hold for the two issues my point is that maybe a factor we’re not considering is how genuinely anti men the internet has gotten, not just self centered reasons we can blame on their own perceived ignorance
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:22 PM

idk i think more center left people are going to start waking up to it actually and calling it out just like we call out misogyny at least that’s my hope…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:16 PM
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“many people who denounce misandry also denounce rape, both can happen at the same time” was the comment i left you before and just for the sake of your willful ignorance, yes i include myself in those “many people” now that thats dealt with, any ideas on the issue i’m discussing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:15 PM
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ok, i agree! i think these problems deserve equal attention because we can’t solve one without solving the other. see how the way you brought it up initially didn’t seem to hold that same sentiment? idk the strategy of calling all conservatives lonely virgin losers seems to be backfiring don’t you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:12 PM
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then you agree that glorification is just as bad as demonization
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:53 PM
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do you believe that women deserve the same rights as men, no more no less?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:25 PM
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it was feigned sympathy friend. you lack empathy for those you don’t understand and you need to change for the better
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:24 PM
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and there’s the misandry i’m talking about, it is harmful because women deserve the SAME rights as men, no more no less
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:23 PM
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i guess… when the problem starts to affect you come back to me? i’ll be over here having empathy for experiences that i don’t directly relate to
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:18 PM
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your last paragraph was unnecessary because i never brought up misogyny and yet you started to talk about why it’s a more important problem than misandry. that’s not the discussion at hand yet this is a common thing that happens when misandry gets brought up, it’s what’s known as a misdirect so i guess the large number of young conservative men just happened for no reason then? or do you think they might not feel welcome on the other side?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:16 PM
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you need to open your eyes to how the right wing has acquired the votes of lots of straight men who, let’s not forget, just so happen to be the majority of the country calling them “braindead” is part of the problem, not very welcoming language to the correct side no?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:11 PM
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that first sentence is my entire argument NO ONE CARES ABOUT THIS TOPIC and that’s why young men came out in droves for Trump
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:05 PM
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so men that stay silent about misogyny aren’t passively letting it grow within society? that’s literally the whole point of advocating for guys to call out the misogynists around them i said viewing women as more than human beings and you took that to mean “women are wonderful”? glorification is just as harmful as demonization in the long run
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:04 PM
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repeating the rhetoric over and over actively isolates us from a group of people that make up a majority of the country it breaks my heart that women have to deal with this, but it also hurts that it’s brought up as a “gotcha” and used as ammunition against a DIFFERENT PROBLEM
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:01 PM
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using reddit as an example was supposed to symbolize a wider spread issue genuinely asking, name one large social media platform where advocating against misandry is widely discussed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:58 PM
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unironically yes! men that stay silent about it let the behavior perpetuate itself and men who genuinely believe women are in some way innately better than men instead of viewing and treating them as the human beings that they are isn’t good either
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:56 PM

oh hey! you’re the person that immediately compared me to rape apologists that inspired this post in the first place https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/4ujntlOROe
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:48 PM
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this!! how do you have a movement dedicated to inclusion and empathy while actively excluding and hating a whole group?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:47 PM
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actually go to most posts on reddit that even come close to touching this topic and sort the comments by most controversial there’s a lot of people advocating against hating men just for being men that get downvoted and told to care about women more, they just have the unfortunate consequence of being next to some wild ass misogynistic comments but those two should not be treated like they are the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:46 PM

i agree! misogyny historically has a more destructive track record but we all saw who men voted for and instead of demonizing them we should seriously critically analyze how we talk about these issues
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:38 PM
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i think you should review your reactionary tendencies just now as proof that it is
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:35 PM

i agree with you! people coming out of the woodwork to call the internet and echo chamber for liberals made me realize though that this is a problem no one wants to be hated simply for existing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:33 PM
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you trying too hard to attribute the problem to either gender when it’s much more all encompassing than that, men and women are harboring misandrist sentiments it is becoming more and more of a general sentiment that it’s kind of ok to hate men and that’s not ok the same way it’s not ok to hate women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:30 PM

you’re attributing this celebration of rape to me when I haven’t even come close to saying something like that many people who don’t appreciate misandry also denounce rape, both things can happen at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:27 PM
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you took this post to say i’m blaming women which I never said. you’re splitting the problem between genders when the real issue is between people who think misandry is ok and people who don’t, and judging by how popular these “jokes” at men’s expense has become it seems like that first group just keeps growing women’s equality shouldn’t come at the expense of respect for other human beings I talk about a specific problem and you immediately say “you don’t understand women’s issues.” what about …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:25 PM
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this opened my eyes to just how bad online misandry has gotten the “all men should die” jokes don’t feel like jokes anymore and that’s really weird opposite bigotry is still bigotry guys just different
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:44 AM

you seriously believe that i’m saying celebrating rape is the same as the lonely 17 yo who sits in his room alone asking reddit why no one likes him? i talk about unity and you immediately look for some sort of dunk on me, you don’t see that as an issue? we need SOLUTIONS
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:33 AM

i can’t believe none of these top comments understand… demeaning men for not wanting you to hurt their feelings is what got us here in the first place MISANDRY HURTS WOMEN respect goes both ways and we all need to care more about each other
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:41 AM
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