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| 1 | RISE OF THE PURPLE PENGUINS: School Told to Call Kids ‘Purple Penguins’ Because ‘Boys and Girls’ Is Not Inclusive to TransgenderIf it is a pathology at all it is apparently an endocrine pathology, since correcting the sex hormone ratio consistently improves the condition. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24344788 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22145968 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23574768 If transgender were a cognitive mental illness as you are suggesting, we would not expect to see this positive response to estrogen in trans women. These results suggest some neurophysiological condition, not a cognitive co… | /r/MensRights | 12/10/14 11:44 PM |
| 1 | RISE OF THE PURPLE PENGUINS: School Told to Call Kids ‘Purple Penguins’ Because ‘Boys and Girls’ Is Not Inclusive to TransgenderThanks for posting that. Trans is the latest moral panic. People need to get over it. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/14 11:24 PM |
| 1 | Katie Couric's offensive interview reveals need for transgender visibilityYes I agree and I put a lot of effort into staying cool-headed in these kind of discussions. But sometimes it can be very difficult to stay cool, and sometimes we need to express our impatience and irritation so that people will understand that we are irritated with certain things. | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 04:06 AM |
| 1 | Katie Couric's offensive interview reveals need for transgender visibilityI'm not accusing you of anything. I'm simply pointing out the inherent irony in asking someone about their "private parts," as Couric put it, on an an extremely public TV show. | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 03:53 AM |
| 2 | Katie Couric's offensive interview reveals need for transgender visibilityThis is something, that while may well have existed for a long time, is relatively shocking and new to still a large number of cultures in america. Is the existence of the internet also new and shocking to such backwards people? The existence of trans people is well known, but the public's understanding is often clouded by myths. One of the common myths is that our genitals are a matter of public discussion. They aren't. They are private, just like everybody else's genitals. What surgeries we mi… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/14 06:36 AM |
| 3 | Katie Couric's offensive interview reveals need for transgender visibilityTransgender is new. No it's not. It's even mentioned in the Bible. It's as old as humanity. Rather than "new", it is no longer taboo. And in the modern period, Christine Jorgensen was making headlines in the 1960s for getting reconstructive surgery on her genitals. This isn't new at all. It's the same, invasive and dehumanizing question that reporters have been asking trans people for the last 50+ years. This is simple. Genitals are a private matter whether a person is cis or trans. It is outrag… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/14 01:12 AM |
| 1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.Gender and sex are independent in that one's gender can be something other than what is traditional for one's sex. However, these concepts are not really 'separate', as they are closely related conceptually and biologically. The biological node which links these concepts is the brain, since the brain is responsible for executive control of one's sex, as well as the medium for one's gender identity. The fact that these concepts are so related further requires us to develop a more complex concept … | /r/MensRights | 02/01/14 08:02 AM |
| -1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.Don't try to be misleading by using selective quoting form something other people have access to. You're a troll. Stop wasting my time. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 10:27 PM |
| 0 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.The point about people changing their minds supports that Here's what sickens me the most about what you're doing here. First you post lies from an anti-trans hate blog. Then you post the stories that refute those lies, and you obviously haven't even read them. You don't care about Ria Cooper, and you're just using her as your political football to spread your hate of trans people. I've been aware of Ria Cooper's situation for years and I've actually read the stories about her. If you actually g… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 07:48 AM |
| 2 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.-If sex is binary in humans, then what, if any, conditions must be met for one or either sex to be that sex and is unique to that sex? You're beginning with your conclusion in mind, tailoring your observations to fit your conclusions, and erasing anyone who doesn't fit your conclusion. In contrast, I have observed that there are human beings who do not fit neatly into the traditional binary scheme, and I have accounted for those facts by adopting a more complex definition of sex which allows for… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 07:21 AM |
| 1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.We're talking about gender identity though. You're not critically reading if you think that's all I'm writing about. I spent quite some time writing about gender-sex variance as a category of atypical developmental pathways. The physiological causes of gender-sex variance, including transgender, are understood well enough to relate them into a family of related conditions which require us to use more complex definitions of gender and sex, rather than carrying on with obsolete definitions as if t… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 08:47 AM |
| 1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.The reality is that if the type of incident discussed never happened, there shouldn't have been coverage of it at all. The only support you have for your bullshit is a man-hate blog that is also focused on hating trans women. That blogger constantly lies. You can't post any other sources because the misinformation you're trying to spread is a lie, made up by that lying blogger. I'm advocating that parents let kids grow and develop without imposing a political agenda on them, whether that agenda … | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 08:19 AM |
| 2 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.You weren't. As much as I would like to hold your hand and baby step you through back what I wrote earlier, I feel like I'm wasting my time here. Therefore I'll let you go back through it on your own initiative with the hope that you will permit yourself the intellectual growth you'll need to account for my prior arguments. To put it simply, your position does not account for the complex reality of human sexuality. Your need to simplify this issue causes actual harm to people. But I've already s… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 05:10 PM |
| 1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.It shows you can't handle a more in-depth, analytical look at the subject. I have a long comment history of in-depth analytical analysis of this topic. You in contrast, are a liar using lies and the words of other liars to spread harmful misinformation about trans people. because the story is an actual occurrence. Then you should be able to find some legitimate media coverage of whatever it is, rather than using a misandrist and trans-misanthropic hate blog which is well known to consistently li… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 05:01 PM |
| 0 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.gendertrender.wordpress.com Well how about that. Your hatred of trans people is so entrenched that you're willing to use a misandrist hate blog to try and support your twisted position. The blogger behind gendertrender hates trans women because they foolishly believe that trans women are men, and that blogger deeply hates men. You're all kinds of stupid on this issue. it's equally wrong to tell a boy who is atypical that he has to be a girl Nobody is even saying that, stop being an idiot. It's e… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 09:08 AM |
| 5 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.You're not critically reading what I've said here. | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 08:53 AM |
| 5 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.That's an easy, absolute, and binary criterion for sex, and due to how we classify our reproduction, consistent. Except that it's not, because some biological females have SRY. Your need for semantical consistency based on current dogma erases the lived experiences of CAIS women and causes actual harm. Their feeling like a complete person isn't contingent on equivocating terminology. The terminology isn't equivocating. The reality is more complex than your socially constructed categories allow, … | /r/MensRights | 29/12/13 10:42 PM |
| 3 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.there are examples of identical twins who have both the same genetics and same in utero environmental exposure wherein one identified as trans as the other did not, You're neglecting epigenetic effects, which are already believed to be responsible for producing differences in monozygotic twins. Even if the twins are in the same uterine environment, they still have different epigenetic markers. So for example, the twins can vary in androgen receptor expression. Even with the same concentration of… | /r/MensRights | 29/12/13 09:37 PM |
| 3 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.Don't start forcing kids to make up their minds about gender or sexual issues. Nobody is even doing that. It's well established developmental psychology that kids already know their gender by age 5. imposing a "trans" identity on a child simply because he isn't a stereotypical boy Nobody is imposing a "trans identity." The child knows what gender they are, and it's as simple as that. If anything is being imposed it's the assigned gender. Where is your criticism of that? boys being pushed into id… | /r/MensRights | 29/12/13 09:14 AM |
| 4 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.Biologically, you are, but that's sex. The brain is part of our biology. And if the sex differentiationed control elements of a person's brain are feminized, then it would follow that the person is biologically female, but with too much testosterone which produced some masculine elements. Forgive me as I'm not always the best at determining why something is offensive, but asking what you mean when you say X(in this case, identify as a woman) doesn't seem all that offensive. Does anyone question … | /r/MensRights | 29/12/13 08:57 AM |
| 1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.You can throw all prevalence studies out the window. They are meaningless. Nobody knows how many trans men or trans women there really are. The fact that it is still taboo means that there are huge numbers of biologically transgender people who would never admit it, even if they knew. And with all the misinformation about transgender, there are surely many people who do not even know they are trans. There is no way to account for the trans people who killed themselves before coming out. There ar… | /r/MensRights | 29/12/13 08:55 AM |
| 10 | CNN guest jokes Chelsea Manning will get ‘good practice’ being a woman in prison [xpost /r/ainbow]It is also misogynistic since it defines being raped as "practice" for being a woman, as if a woman's innate role is that of rape victim (which in turn carries the misandric implication of men having an innate role of rapist). That's essentially what I was thinking about the comment, thanks for stating it so succinctly. You've clearly exposed CNN's guest as a heinous misogynist, misandrist and all around misanthrope. What also bothers me is that I'm reading such an excellent comment on /r/mensri… | /r/MensRights | 29/08/13 07:01 AM |
| 1 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"It is not pseudoscience. The fact that transgender is an intersex condition of the brain is fairly well established science. Clinical implications of the organizational and activational effects of hormones Milton Diamond 2009 Atypical Gender Development: a review Diamond 2006 Please learn the facts before you spread any more misinformation. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/12 03:21 AM |
| 1 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Transgender is an intersex condition of the brain. Please learn the facts before you go spreading your uninformed opinion. Clinical implications of the organizational and activational effects of hormones Milton Diamond 2009 Atypical Gender Development: a review Diamond 2006 | /r/MensRights | 10/10/12 03:20 AM |
| 2 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Both gender and sex begin in our biology. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/12 03:14 AM |
| 3 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Yes I see where you're coming from and I'm also puzzled by that statement. I just want to call attention to the fact that the blog post was obviously a smear piece from a trans misogynist. Given the obvious bias, I would be skeptical about any claims. Even if it is true for the person in question, it is not generally true for the rest of trans women. Trans HRT is well known to cause a drop in libido, erectile dysfunction, and atrophy of testicles. There are cases of trans women maintaining their… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Hormone therapy and genital surgery for cis woman are in fact very similiar to the HRT for trans women. For cis women with PCOS or other testosterone producing condition, an anti androgen such as spironolactone can be prescribed. Of course estrogen is commonly prescribed to cis women. For a cis woman with Müllerian agenesis (MRKH), a vaginoplasty surgery is used to create a neovagina from a graft. That's essentially what is done in MtF SRS, only the male genitals are used instead of a graft. Tra… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 04:54 PM |
| 4 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Because not all elements of biological gender are always congruent. It's the same as any cis woman getting something done to improve her appearance. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 04:43 PM |
| 1 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"your definition of "biological women" covers everybody and therefore ceases to be meaningful. My definition of biological woman merely holds identity as the strongest determining factor when there is any confusion. This is opposed to past definitions which may have held gonads, or genitals, or chromosomes, variously, as the determining factor. A person who identifies as a man is not a biological woman, whatever his gonads, genitals, or chromosomes might be. The fetus does not develop female prim… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 04:40 PM |
| 2 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Don't blame "reality" for your own choice to be cruel. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Some people with 46,XX are born with a penis and identify as male. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia In the paper below, it is explained that 46,XX patients with praeder stage V or IV genitalia (a functional penis or slightly more ambiguous than a functional penis), should be raised as women, as the majority of them identify as women. Just to be clear, they should not have sex reassignment surgery before adulthood because of the chance that they identify as men. Are you… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 04:30 PM |
| 2 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"As I said earlier: it isn't solely genetics, but combinations of genetics, epigenetics, environmental factors and probably some psychology and social constructionism. The issue of gender is more complex than you appear to understand. More like androgynous, with the body developing towards female morphology without sufficient androgens. Incorrect, which you would have realized if you'd read the link I posted. Sex dimorphism is not a split tree. All men go through a female stage very early in deve… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 05:28 AM |
| 2 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"By that argument so is religion and everything else people do. Not exactly. We have some free will, but not much. If there are known biological differences those could be examined to determine gender Even karyotypes cost thousands of dollars. As far as I know, fMRIs are not used diagnostically for transgender clients - yet. As such tools become more commonly used for diagnostics, they will probably target higher priority patients like schizophrenics first. Do you think schizophrenia is in the br… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 05:11 AM |
| 2 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"It's not as solid a heuristic as you might think. Exceptions are fairly uncommon, but they do exist. People unwittingly misgender others all the time. There was a recent Reddit thread about a Sikh woman who has a beard which made headline news. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/26/balpreet-kaur-dignified-sikh-woman-deflects-bullying-taunts-facial-hair-pictures_n_1915674.html We all use our own knowledge and experience to make assumptions about the gender of others. All you are being asked … | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 04:41 AM |
| 5 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Transgender hormone replacement therapy consists of spironolactone and estrogen. Spironolactone is the drug which is used to chemically castrate sex offenders. It blocks the production of testosterone. When the dose is sufficient, the person has no libidio and has a difficult time getting an erection. These effects are usually desired by trans women. Based on this, I think the concerns about trans women being perverts are greatly exaggerated. It might be the case that there is a real perv who is… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 04:29 AM |
| 6 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"I hope that if you have a child and that child has a gender-sex variance, that you don't refer to the child as an accident of nature or a freak. These are real people who have these conditions. What do you mean, "define gender?" I don't think I'm trying to redefine gender here. I'm just pointing out that gender is not as clear cut as we like to think it is. Some people don't fit nicely into the common definitions, by no fault of their own, and we ought to have some sympathy for such people. We t… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 04:19 AM |
| 10 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"At that point their gender identity ceases to have a biological basis. The organization of the brain is biological. Thus, gender identity is biological. For a full discussion of these facts, please see: Clinical implications of the organizational and activational effects of hormones Milton Diamond 2009 Atypical Gender Development: a review Diamond 2006 When people say "biological women" they mean the same thing as "cis": Yes, and that would be an error. when there are no known biological differe… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 04:09 AM |
| 3 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"I prefer the term gender-sex variance. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 03:59 AM |
| 15 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Incorrect. Some people with 46,XX are born with a penis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia Some people with 46,XY are born with a vagina. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome Chromosomes don't matter in determining gender. And in addition, there exist some individuals who have mosaicism where they have both XX cells and XY cells. One individual, who had mostly XY cells, even had children. She didn't even know she had XY chromosomes until her daug… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 03:54 AM |
| 16 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"The basis for gender identity starts with biology. That's the reason why trans women are biologically women. However, it isn't solely genetics, but combinations of genetics, epigenetics, environmental factors and probably some psychology and social constructionism. For most people gender is simple and can be taken for granted, but for many other people, such as gender-sex minorities, gender and sex can be contradictory and confusing for many reasons. The only way our current science has of ultim… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 03:46 AM |
| 5 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"LoL, what debate? I posted the science, you posted uninformed opinion. There's no debate here. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 03:39 AM |
| -3 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Trans women are biologically women. The word "cis" makes trans people visible, which is why trans misogynists don't like it. Also, it's a good habit to look up the meaning of words rather than always relying on the context. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 03:27 AM |
| 8 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Wrong again. Complete AIS women identify as women despite their XY chromosomes. Only 5% of people with completely virilizing CAH (and a functional penis) identify as male, with 95% identifying as female. And in addition, there exist some individuals who have mosaicism where they have both XX cells and XY cells. One individual, who had mostly XY cells, even had children. Report of Fertility in a Woman with a Predominantly 46,XY Karyotype in a Family with Multiple Disorders of Sexual Development D… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 03:14 AM |
| 11 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"Some people with 46,XX are born with a penis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia Some people with 46,XY are born with a vagina. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome Chromosomes don't matter in determining gender. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 02:15 AM |
| 7 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"trans exclusionary radical feminist | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 01:45 AM |
| 10 | Feminists trip on their own feet: Women refuse to share Title IX pool facilities with a transgender woman -- Feminists say "it is very wrong for transgender people to use & abuse Title IX to push their perversion on to Bio women"TERFs are a minority of feminists. In my experience, most feminists are sympathetic to trans women. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 01:11 AM |
| 6 | How do you deal with Feminists in a respectful way?While you were admitting your errors in your PMs, you were over here on /r/MensRights lying about the exchanges and pretending like you're an innocent victim of the big, bad feminist gang. Sorry, but that makes your apologies seem to lack credibility. Also, I wonder if the MRAs will appreciate your dishonesty? Maybe you need to apologize to them as well? | /r/MensRights | 08/08/12 12:08 AM |
| 9 | How do you deal with Feminists in a respectful way?Hi freedagent, Since you sent me some private messages I happened to look at your profile and saw this thread. You "never said anything bad" on that thread? What about this stuff? These messages are in your posting history still, even though they were deleted from the thread. You're either an idiot or gullible if you don;t think men look at women for physical traits. I'm attracted to what i'm attracted, and yes that would be cute and quirky, think Zoey Deschanel, whom is older than me btw. But d… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/12 11:36 PM |
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