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Yeah, I think that's well put. It pays to be just "bad" enough, on the surface, to be exciting and sexy. But underneath and long term, a genuinely good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 08:53 PM
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The woman in that anecdote was already into him somewhat and had an obvious kink for that stuff. Don't do this at home unless both conditions apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:06 PM
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I would never even think of going to my gf's most unethical friend to gather intel on her exes, what kind of paranoid and self-defeating impulse is that? Just to dig for something you can hold against her if you twist it enough? It baffles me how much work people can put into sabotaging their own happiness. Just be happy someone loves you and enjoy the sex, man, life can be good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:37 PM
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To "take sex seriously" to me means that you do it because you enjoy it and want it with the person in question, not withhold it as some form of tactical currency. The latter tells me that you don't really value sex as a fun and romantic activity, but rather use it as a means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:20 PM
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For women who like to be seen as territory, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:22 AM
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Nah, you're way off there. If someone compliments your wife, does that ruffle your feathers or make you proud to have her? Being hit on in a respectful way is a form of compliment. As long as you're confident in your relationship, it's a win-win for you and your partner. Borderline cuckoldry maybe starts when you like to watch your girl actively flirt with other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:18 AM
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What kind of woman do you have who can't deal with that by herself? If someone hits on my girlfriend at a party, I pay attention and make sure she knows I'm around if she gets uncomfortable, but I actually enjoy it. It means she's hot and desired, and I feel all the better for being the one she chooses to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:03 AM
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Male friends are incompatible with having a stable relationship? Sad world to live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:00 AM
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Is this really about the wife's comfort and dignity, or more about the husband's perceived rights to what's his? The latter is cringe. You should at least ask your woman what she thinks about the situation. "This guy is staring at you, does it bother you? Do you want me to talk to him?" That way you show trust in your partner as well as readiness to guard her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 09:55 AM
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Holy mother of based
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 07:14 PM
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Thanks for sharing. Everything you said agrees entirely with what I have witnessed so far. Halo effect is the short answer to OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 07:05 PM
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Being good friends and a bit flirty with someone is neither orbiting nor emotional cheating, get out more and get a grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 07:28 AM
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You sound like you deserve every bit of your own misery
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 07:26 AM
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Unless you mentally engage and can have a somewhat interesting conversation about it later, watching TV/netflix is not a hobby, it's just killing time. TikTok is 100% just pissing life away. Going to bars can be somewhere between a highly social pastime and half-assed alcoholism. A hobby is something that requires a little investment, something you learn and could get better at.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 07:20 AM
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Or he's the most obnoxious jackass at the heart of an absolute fratboy party
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 07:10 AM
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You made that up, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 12:01 AM
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Most of those will be crumpled grandpas who also had a malnourished childhood in a poorer country.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:06 PM
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Are you Jerry Seinfeld? Can I have an autograph?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:02 PM
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Which is why the scale is a dubious way to conceptualize attractiveness. If you ask a hundred women to rate me, you'll probably get answers between 3 and 8, with my girlfriend thinking I'm super hot and many others not giving me a second look. After casually talking for just five minutes, many of those opinions would increase or decrease significantly, I've experienced both. It's unhelpful to put yourself in a box like that, people have radically different and sometimes really surprising taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:56 PM
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Uni students are all physically in their prime and generally from secure and healthy family backgrounds, easily all in the top 5% of a bell curve. Also, your eyes are naturally drawn to attractive people, you overlook most of the average ones around them. That said, I don't think there is a grading scale that any two people could fully agree on. The entire concept is ridiculously superficial anyway, because the way people carry themselves and make conversation easily trumps any differentiation y…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:49 PM
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Playing along with this analogy, the sleazy used car salesman doesn't care one bit about their mark, only that they pay full price for a shitty car. So he restricts himself to the most gullible and pathetic customer base by his choice of marketing tactics. Probably won't find repeat customers that way. Game and manipulation works if you just care about getting your dick wet at the expense of clueless or superficial women. If you aim for anything else, you need to find something real to love abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:58 PM
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And I think you are talking about a caricature that doesn't exist. If you debate people in special forums that revolve around dating and relationships and casual hookup culture, of course sex will always be at the forefront. But it's a bit rich to assume that everyone venting here has nothing else on their mind the rest of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 01:51 PM
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I don't say anyone owes you fulfilment of higher needs, but it's silly to deny their normality and call them "obsessions". The need for sex, with all the physical and spiritual affection that is encoded in that word, is absolutely human. It is in fact tied to the only undeniable purpose evolution gave us. Just because you're not entitled to a fundamental human need doesn't make it an obsession to seek it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 01:43 PM
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Objectifying much?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 01:23 PM
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What a senseless argument. So as long as you get food, water and shelter, the remainder of the pyramid of needs can be ignored? Bare survival is all a human being is entitled to? I guess slavery isn't all that bad then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 01:20 PM
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Settling means finding a way to see a future with the options you have, I would say. And if people on average end up less happy when they stay alone, as studies claim, it might be very beneficial to learn the wise art of settling. I think it was much more common before decades of marketing turn it into a synonym for losing out or making a bad deal. The entire slogan of my phone's manufacturer is "never settle" and I think it's an extremely bad philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:40 PM
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But that's an example of insecurities being ruthlessly exploited, not demonized. The monstrous tech industry behind this actually loves these profitable insecurities and will always try to present them as valid and natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:48 AM
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As always it's wrong to generalize, but I was thinking of women who fantasize obsessively about some Prince Charming or Mr. Right, someone to provide and be their rock to stand on, who they can call upon to make any bad situation go away - like a child sees their parents, especially a father figure. If they project these hyperreal tropes onto men they fancy, they're guaranteed to be disappointed by the slightest sign of weakness, insecurity or childishness, which we can hopefully agree are norma…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:54 AM
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Kinda sad to be honest
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 08:34 PM
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That's an interesting take I haven't heard before. Sounds right for some situations for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 08:24 PM
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That's just not true. You can show interest in a woman from the start by making conversation and being a bit flirty, without putting the metaphorical gun to her head and asking her out in the first encounter. Lots of couples pop up around me where both people shared some regular social activity for an extended time and then got closer, it's entirely normal. I got into several relationships this way myself over the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:08 AM
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That very last sentence contains the solution, at least if you're more interested in relationships than hook-ups. The gender ratio doesn't even have to be crazy, around 50:50 is fine. You just need a place where casual interactions naturally occur and where you meet the same new people often enough to build an initial connection. People get used to looks, familiarity makes everyone more visually attractive. And they get to see that personality we talk so much about. I've met most of my partners …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:30 AM
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Positive feedback in this case just means the process of change is reinforcing itself indefinitely, spiraling away. Negative feedback would mean the change eats away at its own causes and settles in at some equilibrium not far from the baseline state.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:20 AM
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What all of these have in common: The people in question had some shared activity that allowed them to vet each other over time, gauge each other's interest in a neutral setting, present their strengths, make some conversation etc before any asking out took place. Create some familiarity and baseline trust, then shoot your shot before things settle into friendzone territory. You have to truly botch it to come off as creepy in that setting. Even without church or work, there are opportunities lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:08 AM
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This is the best reply on this topic I've seen, thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:45 PM
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Yeah, that does minimize creepiness, but obviously also lowers your chances of getting anywhere. So it's about the right tradeoff once more, which differs from person to person so it's also somewhat luck based. Being observant and empathic helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:30 PM
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You'll be very disappointed if it wasn't. But yeah, I forget that people still seriously want to put kids into this world
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:19 AM
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Relationship does not mean rest of life, lol. And good sex is definitely in the top 5 criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:13 AM
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Yeah, that's what I think as well. There will be lots of situations where a woman considers herself in a sort of relationship, while the man she sleeps with still considers it reoccurring casual sex. Something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:21 AM
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Yeah because men in relationships and men who don't seek casual sex don't exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:13 AM
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Sounds like conjecture to me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 10:41 AM
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Do you get the impression that she is also looking for a serious relationship as the overarching goal of her dating life? If so, she didn't so much have an easy time finding free sex, but she failed multiple times to find what she wants. The sex she had along the way was a form of investment into potential relationships that didn't materialize, because those guys where not right for her. But if you are, then you are what she was really looking for, with similar levels of frustration as you felt …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:31 PM
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I also think it's a somewhat uncommon, but kinda normalized way for women to experience a new region. Doesn't change that she advertises a date on a dating platform, implying that a hookup or more is in the cards, to abuse the standard expectations placed on men in such settings, and the standard privileges of courted women. She probably has no intention of starting anything with any of those matches, so it's like she's running a rigged lottery. Basic swindle, kinda unethical, kinda ruins the da…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:45 PM
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I'm not so sure. The poly relationship yes, but the lining up dates to see the sights is probably just good old exploitation of the needy. She won't have to pay in sex at the end of the day in those cases, plenty guys will just be lead on and then go home lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:57 AM
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Single people spend more, it's as simple as that. In a society entirely dominated by big corporate profit interests, of course there will be ever more destructive campaigns to turn deeply social creatures into isolated shallow consumerists.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:51 PM
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Any slightly charismatic guy who is regularly hyped up to an audience containing millions of women will have a bunch of groupies who love fame and happen to like his type, it's just a numbers game at that point. I don't think you can draw any useful conclusion about "all", "most", "a majority of" or even "many" women from that. Even if a bunch of those groupies will be very hot, they're likely not women who would add quality to your life either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:07 AM
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I do, and it works alright. You can still be polite and respectful even while you're flirting and making a show and feeling out the chemistry. And for most men approaching most women, failing to do that gets you disqualified. If I were a woman, I would also reject anyone who acts inappropriately unless I already fancy them, and that last part is the crux for this specific topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 07:56 PM
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I don't think many people expect women to be open to any random, repeated or very forward advances. Most understand that such behavior very quickly crosses into creepyness, stalking or harassment. The bitterness comes from seeing that some guys, through a mix of fortunate looks/charisma/choice of targets, can get away with this shitty behavior that should rightfully earn them a slap. We all know how this comes about, but it's also unsurprising that people playing by the normal rules of politenes…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:44 PM
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That I agree with
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:30 PM
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Ok true, but the next comment was talking about some measure of influence. Wasn't me btw, there are multiple people reading and posting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:14 PM
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No, you rejected the proposition that biological sex "kinda does influence" it. Nothing was said about "dictating" it. Biological sex obviously changes the hormone levels in your body, as anyone who has undergone puberty is well aware of. People with thyroid issues can have minor hormone imbalances that noticeably influence how they act. Injecting women with male testosterone levels, or men with female estrogen levels, would certainly change their internal state and influence personality. Not de…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:31 PM
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Well, in essence they completely replaced the group "women in an intact marriage" with the group "women currently in a divorce-like stage" and then compared their happiness to singles. I would hazard the guess that people who are married, but estranged and not yet divorced, are on average in the worst and most taxing partnership stage. It must skew results heavily, but I'm also confused why OP didn't give us the updated results. This is the best I could find, following the links.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:57 PM
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This strawman must be visible from space
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:05 PM
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Nothing you can't pay for? This honestly sounds like in the process of cutting your losses, you've cut out a chunk of your own humanity. Having a good person in your life who trusts and loves you is not measurable in money. And you can have that without moving in together, it's possible. In the end of course you decide what you want and what compromises are ok for you, but opting out entirely sounds very harsh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:33 PM
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Usually yes, but the argument here is that the laws of womens' attraction actually are different in small sample size situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:27 PM
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Okay, now I get what you're saying and all of this makes a lot of sense to me! As humans first and men second, we should still try to extend the same fairness in these discussions (i.e. notallwomen) we wish to receive, otherwise it'll never be constructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:24 PM
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It sounds like you're in a good place then. Won't be too long until you find a good match again!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:14 PM
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What do you think I proved there? I'm a man, and none of the men I'm friends with have these anger issues you described. It's not normal. Women are not demanding something weird from you. In fact, I myself demand from other men around me that they express their emotions in a non-physical, non-threatening way or I can't really respect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:12 PM
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I can say with certainty from all my own relationship experience and a few I have witnessed around me, this is extreme bullshit and exactly why we can't have nice things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:55 PM
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What's the percentage of people who are in a stable relationship? Do you think none of those men ever show weakness? Or is it more likely that women who leave guys for dumb reasons like that make up a significant proportion of the singles dating pool, exaggerating their abundance in you eyes as a single guy? I say you have to dodge these broken people, there are enough who don't act like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:39 PM
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Not in this case. Imagine a woman in the explained model will always try to date one of the 10 hottest guys that are available to her. If she has Tinder and swipes on and off for a week that might be 10/1000 = 1%. If she only looks around in her uni classes and dorm, it may be 10/100 = 10%. If she only sees her few coworkers and maybe guys in her yoga class, it becomes 10/15 = 67% or something. The takeaway is to look for women who don't use an unnaturally large pool of men for dating, as you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:33 PM
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"Being in love" is, psychologically, a type of delusion. A very beautiful experience, but not really coupled with reality. It's separate from actually liking or loving someone for who they are, because when you fall in love you don't fully see the other person for who they are. After the sparkles dissipate, you evaluate again and poke around a bit to find out if you actually love this person or just fancied them. What you experienced is her reaching this state earlier than you, I think. At least…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:24 PM
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You got it wrong. Crying in front of your woman is an amazing shit test for men to perform. It will weed out the shit ones who would never have helped you through your own struggles anyway. But if she shows a positive, human reaction you know you have struck gold in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:19 PM
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Or maybe she also grew up and matured emotionally over the years? So the two sets of "what women want" you identify are just what messed up young women think they want versus what adult women want after working out some issues. I'm sure if she were to look for a new partner now, she wouldn't go back to the first set of wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:06 PM
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Oh come on, lashing out with physical violence is not "what actual vulnerability looks like". It's the opposite: a desparate coping mechanism to hide vulnerable moments by overcompensating with aggression. The rulebook for sharing emotions with your partner is not unilateral either, like you said you also don't want her to scream and smash stuff when she's mad. Shitty abusive women are not acceptable, I guess they just look less problematic in comparison to the shitty men who end up punching the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:59 AM
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A guy who fights random objects because he cannot sort out or communicate his inner turmoil is a weak-ass loser. Maybe not exactly the "pussy" stereotype, but also not someone women can feel safe with or will have a lot of respect for.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:43 AM
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What ridiculous nonsense. Most men I know do not act out physically when they are pissed, it's absolutely immature and frankly just weak behaviour. Get a grip, man up and say in clear terms what has you worked up. Women respect that a lot more than you acting like some emotionally stunted sperg. If you need to be left alone for a bit, say that. If you want some validation of how unfair your day was, that's fine too. But directing your aggression against your family and your home instead is a fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:40 AM
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Weird way to spin it. Most people aren't asexual, which is exactly why sexuality and romance are intrinsically connected in the general perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:04 AM
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"do you want sex, or relationships? Which one?" If the question is really posed like this, as an either-or, it's weird and surely not representative of the majority understanding of relationships. However note this subtle difference: "Do you just want sex, or a relationship? Which is it?" That's a totally reasonable question. I think romantic relationships where both sides are truly attracted to each other but sex is no part of the equation are very unusual. Not wrong, just unusual. Sometimes it…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 04:05 PM
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I disagree with this framing. Sexual intimacy isn't an additional thing on top, it is a normal component that is generally implied in a romantic relationship. Specifically staying sex-less, while absolutely valid, is the additional clarification that needs to be communicated. At least for grownups.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:52 PM
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I think the confusion you’re having is mostly that sometimes (mostly) men here talk about a relationship as if it is primarily about access to sex Yeah that's not good. It's probably because the non-sexual needs a relationship fulfills can be somewhat approximated with close friends and family as well, but meeting the sexual needs with casual encounters is only possible for a minority of men. So lonely men can find scraps of companionship, but they come to see a relationship as the only way to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:48 PM
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Typical prisoners' dilemma
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:37 PM
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A peacock needs some feathers, it's an unfortunate fact of life. Some say a majority of historical human accomplishments arose from the drive to stand out and be interesting as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:54 AM
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I find this conversation really enlightening, thank you for making this possible here! But reading all this, I am pretty sure that urbanization and modern media did have an impact on what it means to be remarkable. I think "biggest fish in a small pond" situations have become rarer, because we all live in the open sea now. Standing out against a backdrop of 20 eligible singles in a sleepy village is not the same challenge as standing out against the thousands of people we see everyday in a city,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:43 PM
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Have you tried?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:26 PM
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Dude. The point being made is that women in general don't have a checklist of physical attributes that you can reference and calculate your score, that things are much more nuanced and holistic than that - and your reaction is "wow so shallow"? Get a grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:02 PM
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Then stop shitposting, sport
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 08:24 AM
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Marry an argumentative woman, get a kid, file for divorce, initiate a brutal custody battle, have all your flaws documented in detail in court-approved writing. Thank me later.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 08:20 AM
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Most women are miserable dates, and most men are as well. The frustration goes both ways and you can read endless rants on either side. You just have to accept that most people aren't a match for you, even if there's initial attraction, because most people simply have an irreconcilable set of character flaws between them. Doesn't help to make a grand theory out of it, you just have to be strict about avoiding all the entitled and clueless assholes, regardless from which side you're joining this …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 06:12 PM
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I’ve seen women very matter-of-factly state that they believe in equality and would happily pay for their half of the date but then sheepishly admit that they kinda like when the guy pays. That's clearly normal and I think everyone is like that. You cannot not like being pampered in the ways you grew up to desire, regardless of any rational convictions. I believe 100% in sexual autonomy for women and am of course very conscious of this with my partner, but damn if I don't find the "free use" fan…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 06:06 PM
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I've seen stories about frozen turds in condoms being used. But then again, the internet is a wellspring of falsehoods and deceit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 07:09 PM
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Yeah and "influencer" is the most common career aspiration for kids today, but most never have the slightest chance because they lack the top 1% genes. They're kinda dumb for competing in such a rigged game, don't you think? Some dating platforms actually have sophisticated features for matching personality, not everything is Tinder. But in general I think OLD and loud stuffy bars are very bad hunting grounds if your strength is personality and it only really shines five minutes into a conversat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:22 PM
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Nightclubs by design do not give room for personality to show. It's all dark rooms and exposed bodies and game facade. If you have a personality and you want to use it to impress girls, these venues are simply the wrong place to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:42 PM
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No shit. If you approach women in the most shallow and superficial interaction spaces you can find, you will be judged for the most shallow and superficial traits you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:40 PM
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Sigma Übermensch grindset!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:33 PM
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Then you have to find ways to be around women long enough that they see your personality. Find some hobbies or places to hang out where they can watch you interact with the group and it's not a take-it-or-leave-it dating situation. You gotta engineer your opportunities a bit if you're not born with a door opening face, but it is absolutely possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:31 PM
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Now you're conflating sexual arousal with seriously wanting to have sex, which are not the same for me as a man. The former happens naturally and subconsciously, the latter needs some sort of approval from the brain and its social instincts. I regularly see women that instantly engage my libido, but of course everything we do with another human has strings attached and I wouldn't jump in the bed with someone without vetting them as a person to some extent. I think OPs question is about the forme…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 12:34 PM
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Without talking about these 95% of sex workers, anything you say on the topic is meaningless
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 06:59 PM
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What absolute bullshit. The vast majority of prostitutes everywhere are trafficked and pressured into addiction, dependence and slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 04:20 PM
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You are completely neglecting the fact that sex with super hot fuckboys is likely to be impersonal, orgasm-less and unfulfilling sex for a woman. Getting railed by yet another misogynistic self-centered pretty boy probably gets really tiring and unappealing after a while, even if it's "on tap". And then you have the problem of finding a genuinely interested and competent man among the onslaught of hot horny disappointments.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:39 PM
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I'm not the one sending drones to poor countries for murder, I'm just stating the pattern. It's obvious that these imperial war crimes are deeply racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:58 PM
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Citation needed, lol. Since I was born, the US has waged war on brown civilians every single year in some miserable corner of the planet while all the true Marxist governments have long been overthrown by CIA and China/Russia rarely step away from their immediate borders.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:39 PM
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Yeah. There is some discussion to be had about whether China is economically left in some ways, but Russia is rampant oligarch capitalism with a president who named Pinochet as one of his role models when he started out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:34 PM
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"Your loss, but go and do what you think makes you happy" A healthy and compatible sex life is one of the main pillars of a successful relationship. We have to get a feel for each other before making actual commitments, and I would say sex is part of the dating process and "compatibility check". If she doesn't have a sex drive of her own, or worse she suppresses it in order to play weird power games, we won't be a good fit. I don't really understand why a woman would decide that way, but then ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 02:40 PM
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but this is what she actually looks like without make up. That is not a beautiful woman What in the everloving fuck are you on about, that is a naturally very beautiful face for someone nearing 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:48 PM
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What is it about it that makes you feel good?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:38 PM
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Do you guys ever consider that you are simply being weeded out on purpose by those signals?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:56 PM
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Maybe being the expected dominant partner just isn't your thing if all that initiative and decision-making stress you out. Maybe you would find more pleasure being dominated by a confident woman? Might be worth a try.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:50 PM
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Bunch of absolute spergs in here not once considering that people might be in a relationship for reasons beyond looks. Even shallow people who aren't virgins know that looks are not what makes the sex good.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:05 AM
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However, I wouldn't say they prove TRP because those men completely pedestalize the female protagonist, something TRP rejects. Red pill guys tend to reject this behavior from a male perspective. But the observation that many women like to fantasize about being put on a pedestal by a high status man, that is completely congruent with the red pill stuff I have seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:49 AM
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Or the other way around. He's a lawyer, but it wasn't his choice and with the help of my love we will find a way to keep it under control!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:44 AM
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Good point. Just like Fast&Furious movies only tell you something about a specific segment of the male population. And yeah, OP made zero distinction between social commentary or literary works on one hand, and guilty-pleasure wish-fulfillment pulp on the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:41 AM
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Men just fantasize about hot chicks, good girl, bad girl it doesn't matter. Tell that to the hordes who get mad when someone makes unseemly comments about their waifu. Or the twats who play "fuck/marry/kill". Or the guys who want a well-trained sex slave that is also still a virgin. Men definitely have varied and even contradictory desires as well when looking for a partner. I know I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:30 AM
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All of these stories are printed to demand or delivered electronically. The publishers don't decide how much of which work is consumed, it's the mass audience that laps certain things up and sets the precedent for bestseller or blockbuster content.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:22 AM
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Come on, first the cuck porn and now this. The existence of arcane and radical niche expressions, which most people have never even heard of, has no bearing on questions of popular taste and typical desires. We are hopefully all aware that life is a rich tapestry and these discussions here use very broad strokes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:17 AM
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Yeah and that's the fantasy, to have the cake and eat it too. You get a high status man who is outwardly superior, but he is secretly just troubled enough that you (and only you, because no one else sees it!) can bind him unconditionally by supplying that magical missing piece for his soul. It makes perfect sense as a romantic fantasy, we all know it doesn't usually translate to real life, the question is how much the actual and ideal behavior of men and women irl is and should be shaped by this…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:08 AM
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Username checks out I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:56 AM
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As I answered at another point as well, the book doesn't really prove or disprove anything in this discourse, because it is an intellectual work separate from the stream of impulsive mass consumption that OP actually meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:55 AM
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Yeah the book was a bad example in every way. It goes against all the tropes, like you laid out, but it also isn't a guilty pleasure bestseller marketed to women who want their monthly low-brow romance novel fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:48 AM
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Let's be real here. If you want to define people by their fantasies you should be willing to do that to yourself. I think we should absolutely do that, and it would actually help the discourse immensely. The fantasies that are bestsellers among men say a lot about what men are wishing for, on average, and the same is true among women. About Pride and Prejudice: I thought what you describe is specifically applauded as a subversion of the common trope, ie a bit like the exception that confirms the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:33 AM
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Well you definitely spent a lot of effort missing that guys point here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:21 AM
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In addition to the entertainment value, men who play CoD very obviously use it as a vent to indulge in unconscious desires and thoughts that would be disastrous in real life. And of course this hints at a well-known pattern of aggression, risk-taking and dominance that exists in the male population in our culture and regularly leads to drama. I think the themes and feelings we seek out in media are generally related to what drives us under the hood, there's no shame in admitting that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:17 AM
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Every girl has already dated their version of the romance novel trope, and it always ends terribly But this partially supports the point OP was trying to make, doesn't it? That there is an unconscious pull towards these types, and it's a learning experience to stay away from them and banish these dynamics to the book shelf?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:01 AM
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But in all cases it is about a man of high perceived status, who is initially portrayed as mysterious, somewhat scary and potentially unsafe. Not "bad boy", but there is a pattern that probably doesn't translate into the wisest real-world dating guidelines.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 02:54 AM
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I think that's already the "pre-tamed" male fantasy for boys who learned basic decency from their mothers. There are enough assholes out there who wouldn't relate too much to that, and care more about validation of their imagined alpha status. Like most of the action heros of previous decades, who tend to win the damsels admiration by being a fearsome and assertive protector type.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 02:44 AM
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The point is that admitting the existence of this dynamic would force her to reevaluate a lot of her friendships in an uncharitable way. It's natural to avoid this, cognitive dissonance and all. I also think that in the majority of such cases, the women are fairly oblivious to the toxic dynamic and just feel like that's what a male best friend is supposed to be like. They don't like to see themselves as exploiters of a relationship, so their mind never even goes there. Just like many shitty men …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:57 PM
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that isn’t just for a career it could be for retirement or for family formation or saving up to buy a home Are you aware that most people under 30 will never see a penny in retirement because we're headed for societal collapse within the next 30 years? I wouldn't blame anyone for focusing on shorter term goals, to the point where I find really long term plans to be delusional with how the world is going.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:16 PM
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What negative expectations do you associate with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:10 PM
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It does mean her previous type wasn't really working for her long term, right? Maybe it's a good sign that she is trying something else in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:58 PM
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Maybe you just need to improve at debating? I have had good success helping feminists in my friend circle see beyond the dumb idpol and understand men's point of view. It took more than one talk, and some charity on my part, but I also learned something in the exchange - because you and me also face the choice you write about, and are prone to bias like every other human.
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