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Fundamentalswater-journal/r/seduction31/05/21 08:43 PM
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Hmm I dunno. Depends on your style and your features. But a quick google of 2021 men’s haircuts should give you an idea of what might work for you.
/r/seduction19/11/21 12:35 AM
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No glasses. And probably a haircut
/r/seduction18/11/21 11:32 PM
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If you’re maintaining eye contact for an extended period of time without following up with additional social cues to break the social tension, then it comes off as aggressive and creepy, rather than “letting them know [you’re] cool”. Obviously you don’t want to avoid eye contact, but you also should not be staring people down and getting into staring contests. A good practice is to hold their eyes for a moment and then do a close-lipped smile or subtle nod and break eye contact to the side (not …
/r/seduction27/07/21 01:05 PM
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In my experience it’s unlikely that she’s gonna initiate much unless you guys are properly dating, like in a relationship
/r/seduction26/07/21 10:18 PM
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What do you mean she didn’t make a move? You’re already kissing her. If you’re in a private space, you should be escalating physically. She probably thought you were just happy with kissing so that’s what she kept doing.
/r/seduction26/07/21 01:18 PM
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Can I shoot you a dm? I’m interested in talking about this some more
/r/seduction12/07/21 08:29 PM
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That’s a great level of self-awareness. You should take some time to congratulate yourself for realizing that. I find the difficult part with developing an abundance mindset is not falling into a state where you feel like you have abundance with low value women, and scarcity with high value women (however you define that value system). It’s way too easy to fall into that trap. But I think knowing what abundance FEELS like and how it allows you to prioritize your own values and qualifications is …
/r/seduction12/07/21 06:50 PM
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I feel you man. I fall into the same anxiety trap too. I think the only way out of it is to keep having interactions and relationships with girls, both attractive and less attractive, to cultivate that sense of abundance, confidence and self-respect.
/r/seduction12/07/21 05:24 PM
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Sure man
/r/seduction12/07/21 04:01 PM
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Oof, sorry man but this prospect is dead. Your plan to move on is good, but I wouldn’t initiate contact again with the intention of trying to get with her, because it sounds like you’re now in a frame in which you’re chasing her. I don’t think the fact that you didn’t sleep with her is what did you in, especially given the time constraint you mentioned. You were already kissing, so you could have easily escalated to fingering or oral, but I don’t think you necessarily needed to have actual sex. …
/r/seduction12/07/21 03:52 PM
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I think the conventional approach is to try to play it cool and make it seem like it doesn’t bother you. That’s certainly one way to do it, and if you’re able to actually get over it without talking to her, that’s fine (not just pretending that you’re over it). But know that it might happen again, and it may bother you again next time she does it. I personally always try to respect my emotional experience and use that information to guide my boundaries in relationships. But that’s my own value s…
/r/seduction12/07/21 03:39 PM
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Everyone is different, so you shouldn’t really think of it as whether your feelings are “justified” or not. You’re entitled to your personal emotional experience, whatever it is. Instead you should think of your emotions as information about how you relate to this relationship with this girl. If it bothers you, it bothers you, and that’s fine. I don’t know what your relationship with her is, but you’re allowed to establish rules and parameters to that relationship that make it so that both you a…
/r/seduction12/07/21 03:12 PM
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I agree with this. Nothing wrong with having two dates in one night, but it means that you’ll be on a strict timeline and need to end it early. This is not necessarily a bad thing if you end on a high, but it also might mean that you miss out on an opportunity to escalate things further with the first girl if the date is going really well. And you absolutely should not do a last minute cancel on your second date of the evening just because the first date is going well. I’ve had dates that I thou…
/r/seduction12/07/21 02:58 PM
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Do you use emojis? Exclamations? “Lol”, “LOL”, “lmao”, etc.?
/r/seduction09/07/21 02:53 PM
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Why do you like him if you don’t get along very well?
/r/seduction08/07/21 12:20 PM
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“Qualificate”
/r/seduction29/06/21 01:36 PM
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“Caveman game” lmao
/r/seduction27/06/21 05:33 PM
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This happens sometimes. Not worth putting more effort than needed into someone you’ve never met. Change your mentality from you trying to get her attention, to her being boring af and not actually worth your time. Sure she’s hot, but if she’s boring and sucks at conversation, then fuck that.
/r/seduction27/06/21 03:57 PM
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Sounds like you still have a shot and haven’t lost her yet. When you guys hang out, do you hold hands? Do you touch her throughout the date? E.g. gently bumping into her or pushing her lightly when you’re teasing her. That makes it easier to escalate towards kissing instead of just trying to go for it at the end of the date, without any prior physical touch
/r/seduction27/06/21 03:53 PM
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No problem man. It can be tough. Our brain plays tricks on us when we like someone.
/r/seduction26/06/21 06:33 PM
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It’s a process. If you were always kind of the “nice guy”, it makes sense that you would have to go in the other direction, just to get comfortable challenging women and not being a suck-up. But there is a way of being in which you’re still kind and compassionate while also not being a pushover. It just takes experience and calibration to figure out where that balance is. View this experience as a step in your journey :)
/r/seduction26/06/21 04:01 PM
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As someone else said, you have to risk rejection. First figure out what you want from him (which it sounds like you have), and then pursue that. If he’s not down with what you want, then why keep wasting your time? If he doesn’t want to be with you and only wants to fuck, you’re not going to be able to change that. It’s just a matter of deciding what YOU want, and then seeing if it’s compatible with what he wants. If it’s not, you move on.
/r/seduction26/06/21 03:27 PM
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Even if she treats you differently from other people, it could still mean that she sees you as a friend. Especially if the “other people” you’re talking about are people at work, which are more likely to just be acquaintances. And not flaking on a hangout is not an indication of sexual or romantic interest. It just means she actually wants to spend time with you, which makes sense if she actually sees you as a friend. There’s no real indication from your post that she likes you in a sexual or ro…
/r/seduction26/06/21 03:24 PM
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I’m sorry you had a shitty date man. It happens. It sounds to me like the vibe was competitive in a not fun way, like combative almost. It’s good to challenge your date in the sense of having banter and teasing, but you absolutely have to keep it playful and fun. Challenges delivered with a serious tone are not attractive and are absolutely going to ruin the vibe. It sounds like you were somehow trying to compete with her (not breaking eye contact, not saying your age first, whatever), instead o…
/r/seduction26/06/21 03:10 PM
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Just be respectful man
/r/seduction25/06/21 07:02 PM
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As I understand it, a shit test is when you’re in an interaction with a women and she challenges your frame or your confidence. Kind of like a neg I suppose. It can be something like “are you gay?” Or “You’d make such a great friend”, or something like her seeing a guy walk by and commenting “he’s hot”. It is NOT a woman saying “no thanks”, “I’m not interested”, or any other non-verbal indication of disinterest or that she wants to be left alone.
/r/seduction25/06/21 06:31 PM
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You’re not going to get charged just for talking to women. Interacting with other humans is not a crime or a bad thing. The key is to be respectful and to be aware of social cues and subcommunication. If someone doesn’t want to interact with you and you keep trying to force your way, that’s where you can get in trouble. You are within your rights to talk to people, and people are also within their rights to reject you.
/r/seduction25/06/21 05:18 PM
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I think the common misconception is that PUAs will mislead women for sex, rather than being honest and authentic about their intentions. So e.g. lead a woman on into thinking they’re there for a relationship, when they just want to hook up. And there’s also the whole set of negative techniques like “negging” and putting women down subtly to get them to seek your approval. These things aren’t conducive to building positive relationships and they generally screen for low caliber women anyway. It d…
/r/seduction25/06/21 04:42 PM
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This is why you don’t fuck around with people at work lol
/r/seduction22/06/21 02:11 PM
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Keep approaching, keep putting yourself out there, keep pushing through the anxiety and past your comfort zone. Doesn’t matter if you go to Meetup events or do approaches. Do both. Whatever triggers your social anxiety, do that. Online dating can be another good way to work on your social skills and anxiety. Go on dates with strangers, learn to have conversations. Just keep practicing and you’ll get there.
/r/seduction22/06/21 02:02 PM
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Absolutely. That’s the basis of attraction. You’re shooting yourself in the foot if you don’t take the time to build a strong baseline level of attractiveness
/r/seduction21/06/21 02:48 AM
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Lol why are you getting downvoted? Have an upvote
/r/seduction21/06/21 02:20 AM
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Lol well said
/r/seduction20/06/21 05:55 PM
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Happy to help! And no worries man, I believe you that you’re a good musician. There’s nothing wrong with being confident about something that you’re good at. What you want to avoid is being arrogant and thinking that that skill makes you better than other people (like yes maybe you’re a better musician, but that doesn’t mean you’re more worthy than other humans. Everyone is skilled in various ways). The combination of genuine confidence and humility is hugely attractive to both men and women. In…
/r/seduction20/06/21 05:46 PM
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Lmao this is jokes. Can’t forget the classic: “Just be yourself”
/r/seduction20/06/21 04:49 PM
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Exactly. Fundamentally, seduction is about knowing how to build a connection with another human being, whether with the intention of romantic/sexual relationships, or with the intention of friendships, or even business connections.
/r/seduction20/06/21 03:37 PM
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There are a lot of factors going on here. For one, I’d say it would be difficult to translate your “stage persona” to your “off-stage persona”. What’s happening when you’re on stage is that you’re providing tremendous value to members of the audience (it sounds like you’re really good at the saxophone). Because you’re providing that value in the form of an excellent musical performance, you’re seen as a high value individual and you’re quite literally on a pedestal. The second thing is that when…
/r/seduction20/06/21 03:33 PM
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There’s nothing inherently wrong or immoral with having casual sex or sleeping around. What is wrong is deceiving someone into thinking you’re there for a relationship when you know you only want to have sex with them. Communicate your expectations and desires clearly and you’re fine.
/r/seduction20/06/21 02:50 PM
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As someone else said, you’re going to need to just practice pushing past your comfort zone. Confidence doesn’t just naturally occur. It comes with experience and practice. Stop talking yourself out of making moves on girls when you’re interested in them.
/r/seduction20/06/21 02:43 PM
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Stop texting and get her out in person. See what the vibe is like there
/r/seduction19/06/21 12:30 AM
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You need to text her first on Sunday night or Monday to solidify
/r/seduction19/06/21 12:28 AM
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Just read the edit. Proud of you!
/r/seduction18/06/21 11:33 PM
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At the bottom of his post he says he “feels really attracted to her”, so there’s clearly something there. I think as you point out though it depends on what he’s looking for. If she continues not to put effort into getting to know him, then I agree it’s probably not the best basis for a relationship. But if he’s attracted to her and wants to have sex with her, then why not move forward with that?
/r/seduction18/06/21 11:30 PM
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Wait until after you’ve at least kissed her, or you’re in the process of hooking up/moving towards sex. E.g. while you’re kissing, taking off clothes, etc. You might pause and take a step back and tell her she’s beautiful/gorgeous/whatever. I also agree with the other comment that if she shows up to a date looking great, you should tell her that.
/r/seduction18/06/21 03:03 PM
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Cultivate outcome independence from him. You can keep it going with him for sex, casual things, but start dating men who show you more respect and interest. You should consider why you want to spend energy and time on someone who puts in the bare minimum and doesn’t seem that interested in actually spending time with you. Keep him around if you want the sex, but cut way down on your investment and start meeting other men.
/r/seduction18/06/21 02:55 PM
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This is actually good from a seduction perspective. People feel connected to someone when they share things about themselves, not when they learn things about the other person. Getting her talking is a good way to help her feel connected to you, while at the same time, maintaining some mystery about yourself. Sounds like she enjoyed the date and you should set up the second one and move the seduction forward.
/r/seduction18/06/21 02:47 PM
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Seconding this! I am 5’4 and have dated a lot of women both shorter and taller than me. Learn to value yourself and fuck those don’t see your value.
/r/seduction17/06/21 03:30 PM
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Honestly I’m not sure, because now you could actually come off needy if you message her too much. I’d say your options are either a quick low effort text like “still up for a drink?” And if she doesn’t reply to that, you drop it. Or you just drop it now without the follow-up text. But I agree with other comments that if she’s ignoring your messages, there really isn’t much you can do except back off and focus on other girls.
/r/seduction15/06/21 07:18 PM
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Understandable. But if you just got her number and then went no contact for an entire week, that’s gonna hurt your chances. That being said, it does depend on how often you saw her/interacted with her irl in that week. If you didn’t text but had irl interactions, then that’s different obviously
/r/seduction15/06/21 04:36 PM
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It sounds like you waited for her to reach out after you exchanged phone numbers, rather than you sending her a message and solidifying the connection, planning for a date, etc. If you exchanged numbers with her but just waited for her to reach out to you, that’s definitely a mood killer
/r/seduction15/06/21 04:32 PM
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First off, good on you for approaching guys despite having social anxiety! That’s impressive and you should feel good about that. As a woman trying to attract men, you should put in the work to make yourself as hot/visually appealing as possible. If you’ve got extra fat, put in the work to lose it. Having extra fat will hurt your chances immensely. Start weight lifting with a focus on lower body and core to get a shapely butt and waist. And then of course you want your fashion, hairstyle, makeup…
/r/seduction14/06/21 04:45 PM
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This is probably gonna get taken down cause it’s asking about a specific situation. Post on r/askseddit instead
/r/seduction09/06/21 02:03 AM
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What the fuck? No, that’s harassment. Women get enough harassment from shitty dudes every day. Don’t be one of them.
/r/seduction31/05/21 09:52 PM
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I find dates go best when I go in with no expectations about where the date will end up, but instead with a focus on getting to know her as a person, building rapport and having an interesting conversation. That being said, since it is a date and presumably you’re attracted to her, you’ll want to mix in some light teasing and flirting in between periods of deeper conversation. Ideally that should arise organically (though you’ll most likely have to lead), since it’ll feel strained if you try to …
/r/seduction31/05/21 09:00 PM
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A week is a long time in online dating. You should ask her to go out in person asap. This can be as simple as “we should grab a drink sometime”. Generally in online dating you don’t want to be spending a lot of time texting back and forth
/r/seduction31/05/21 07:17 PM
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If you’ve already spoken with her in person at school and are actual acquaintances rather than strangers, then add her on Instagram and get the conversation started by commenting on one of her Stories. If you’ve never talked to her before and she doesn’t know who you are, then best to just forget about her.
/r/seduction31/05/21 07:11 PM
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I agree with this. OP caused a lot of drama for himself for essentially no reason and likely diminished his attractiveness in the eyes of his crush. Big over reaction.
/r/seduction30/05/21 03:28 PM
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I was also social awkward and shy (still am sometimes). A big thing that helped me is going into interactions with a mindset of curiosity. Similar to the other reply about using who, what, where, etc. In your interactions. People enjoy talking about themselves, so if you keep feeding them questions, you can keep a conversation going for a long time. It’s important to actively listen to what they’re telling you though, not just ask a question and then zone out when they respond. Listen and empath…
/r/seduction28/05/21 03:20 AM
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Sure man. Fundamentals refers to the basic aspects of yourself that you can improve to become more attractive. You can think of this as passive attractiveness, i.e. just how attractive you are in the world by default. This includes your general body language, your fashion style, your posture, your walk, your voice, your physical appearance (hair, teeth, skin, body composition), your smile. The great thing about fundamentals is that you can work on almost all of them and you can do so largely on …
/r/seduction22/05/21 03:53 PM
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If you drink a lot of coffe, titrate your intake down slowly. 2 cups per day, 1 cup per day, then a smaller cup, then maybe green tea, etc. If you’re craving the experience of drinking coffee specifically, order decaf. And prioritize your sleep health. Sleep 7-8 hours every night. Turn off screens 1 hour before bed. Etc.
/r/seduction22/05/21 03:58 AM
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Therapy is absolutely the way to go if that’s your goal.
/r/seduction22/05/21 03:46 AM
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Work on inner game and fundamentals while the pandemic is going on. You’ll be better positioned to attract women once restrictions loosen.
/r/seduction22/05/21 03:13 AM
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I agree with this, but I think the point that u/Kim_John_Wick was making is that if a woman says “we’re not having sex tonight”, it doesn’t mean that you should just completely stop kissing and exploring each other physically. You can absolutely take a woman seriously and respect that she doesn’t want to have sex, while still continuing to enjoy physical intimacy. The point is that if she’s actually comfortable enough with you, she might change her mind about that initial statement. But you shou…
/r/seduction14/05/21 04:38 PM
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I wouldn’t consider this a shit test. If she had actually invited you to sleep over with the intention of seducing you and making things intimate, why would she then go out of her way to clarify that you’re just friends and for you not to get the wrong idea? That doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t help you that you reinforced the frame and agreed with her that your relationship is just platonic. I’m by no means an expert so maybe I’m wrong. But I agree with u/TLu_03 that if you do make a move, you s…
/r/seduction14/05/21 04:21 PM
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This was a great reply! Thanks for going into so much detail. And thank you for including the part about rape. I’ve seen some seduction stuff say that you should always be trying to overcome her objections, and I feel like for beginners who aren’t experienced with escalating physically this can lead to some really bad situations if they actually ignore her cues.
/r/seduction13/05/21 04:51 PM
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