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Sorry to hear that, man! Hope that helps you for a day or so: 0.15 BCH /u/chaintip Kopf hoch - und vergiss die Weiber.
/r/MGTOW23/10/19 02:35 PM
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What helped me immensely, personally, is to get out of the concrete rat cages that are cities nowadays. If you are in such a situation, this is maybe something to try to work towards to be less depressed. I get the feelings of a lack of spirit, nihilism and loneliness whenever I spend a longer time in places with too many anonymous people around and too much noise. Cities are soul-killing monsters. It sounds very, very counterintuitive and I think that's why it was just this tiny, flickering, al…
/r/MGTOW20/10/19 05:35 PM
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.. to add to that and as I said above, I also think MGTOW is a net positive to society. Sure, it might cause people to get angry and foam at the mouth because a mirror has been put in front of them. But I believe that men who take and have the time to understand the world in a deeper way and act according to this deeper understanding will also help the world at large. Maybe because some of us write good books or so. Maybe some of us compose music. Or create a prosperous business. Others might in…
/r/MGTOW20/10/19 05:23 PM
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LOL. I wouldn't even blame him for how his daugther turned out, he's an individual all by himself and guilt by association doesn't apply IMO. I solely dislike him for denying and thus lying about his own authoritarian aspirations.
/r/MGTOW20/10/19 05:14 PM
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Or simply when they want something from you. In a very loose economical sense, "give and take", or rather, here: "take only". That something could for example be: you directly providing resources (money, time, taxes, you name it) for their plans, maybe even directly their families and children you selecting them as their leader, and thus satisfying their desire for having control over people and the world in general, fulfilling their urges to please their particular broken belief systems more. T…
/r/MGTOW20/10/19 05:02 PM
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I haven't noticed the urge to tell others how to live to be solely a position of the right. Leftist authoritarians have racked up some pretty steep body counts. Sure enough. JBP is leaning right-wing, though, so that's why I pointed it out the way I did. Also, current political dynamics. Don't get me wrong: I don't like the left any bit more than the right. I've seen nothing in JBPs videos to suggest that he has authoritarian ambitions. As a matter of fact, he clearly argues for individualism ov…
/r/MGTOW20/10/19 04:45 PM
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He has, imo. Only 1 mayor flaw in his teachings. And that one is: He promotes men to follow this concept: of a lifelong partnership with 1 woman and having a family/children. Or, to phrase it a bit more honestly, JBP has the same flaw as any tradcon who steps onto the proverbial soapbox. Deep, deep down in his psyche, he has the urge to tell others how to live. The political right wing has surfed the wave of disappointment and anger with the left in recent years and were able to position themsel…
/r/MGTOW20/10/19 10:41 AM
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Yes, excellent point! And the examples the OP brought up all just collectively suffer from vagina harenosis and are thus victims of a crippling disease! /s
/r/MGTOW19/10/19 11:38 AM
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Terrible analogy. Indeed. But I sense subtle social engineering by tradcons: The betas now suddenly became a lot more like Di Caprio. Next step: Blame the beta men as they are the ones destroying the relationships, as per this meme here. It is a beginning attempt of a slight shift in position and an attempt to dilute the MGTOW message IMO.
/r/MGTOW18/09/19 09:02 AM
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This!
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 08:54 PM
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Good points. I think a large part of this is further emphasized due to our broken money system, though. Wrong incentives. Without expecting utopia, I still see some, hopefully positive, change on the horizon.
/r/MGTOW31/07/19 07:46 AM
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Thanks, that is indeed an interesting read. So they pay almost $10k for the car whilst I sometimes wonder whether my car is still worth more than the load of gas that I put in its tank... It likely is, but probably only by a factor of 10x or so. Keeping up with the Joneses is indeed a curse.
/r/MGTOW25/06/19 02:59 PM
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Same here. More money of course always helps (as a cushion and for independence) but I am wondering how folks actually manage to consume their $200k salary.
/r/MGTOW25/06/19 08:15 AM
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Remember the company motto, folks? "Don't do evil!" Mwahahahahaha.
/r/MGTOW25/06/19 08:09 AM
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Great comment! What I think is a bit different(TM) today is that we have so much automation and productivity gains in place that the levels to support us to the point of being at least a bit distracted (surplus) would only disappear in a very large scale war. I rather think the 'reset/collapse/...' will be of medium size and I think it is worthwhile to look at our current money system as the mechanism which will both allow a few with just manipulation skills on the top to collect (a lot!) more b…
/r/MGTOW15/06/19 09:50 AM
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You can do that and live like that and you'll end up in your own personal hell. But to each their own, I guess.
/r/MGTOW12/06/19 08:25 PM
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So you need to be working 50 hours a week, your earnings are then taxed, house taxed, car taxed, furniture taxed, fuel taxed, insurance taxed, electricity water and gas taxed. You forgot the money itself, which is essentially also taxed (inflation). Massively so, one might add, if you look at real estate price developments or the stock market. It is just not called that way because simple consumer goods are still very cheap. ... but that's because wages are cheap and automation is still getting …
/r/MGTOW12/06/19 08:23 PM
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Yes and no. We are our molecules which decay like all structures obeying the 2nd law of thermodynamics. We are the DNA that makes us like chimpanzees. We are the Turing machines that make us robot slaves to the (programming) languages of the superorganisms called societies. Yet we aren't as we still strive for higher.
/r/MGTOW08/06/19 07:45 AM
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A true PUA icon who didn't seem to get old or wise enough to feel the unbearable disgust to himself when looking in the mirror.
/r/MGTOW08/06/19 07:32 AM
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Seems fishy with the other purges going on, but I guess it could be a coincidence or mishap.
/r/MGTOW07/06/19 11:39 AM
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Seeing this kind of situation from the distance is so liberating! The guy she's flirting with is doing his biological programming, the husband the same. One defends, one attacks, it is basically war over some property, in this case the wife. And the female, the "property" knowingly orchestrates the whole horror show, with an archaic and devilish lust to see blood (not her own and without getting her hands dirty, of course). Fuck all that bullshit.
/r/MGTOW07/06/19 09:10 AM
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Understood. Here in Europe living on 600sqm would mean you live in a barn, though :D Or are really rich (a 6-figure income on the far upper end really). But the upkeep alone must be crazy. Also, I'd feel lost in such a place, likely even if I had a family.
/r/MGTOW30/05/19 05:05 AM
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Well said. Every group puts it on a pedestal in some way. "Look here, sex!" "Don't look here, sex!" Though if oneself puts it on any kind of pedestal, it only leads to hurting oneself (IMO).
/r/MGTOW26/05/19 11:30 PM
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On our "cul-de-sac" of about 10 homes (starting at 6K sq ft and up) For one home? WTF. I live happily in less than a tenth of that space (beautiful surroundings though).
/r/MGTOW26/05/19 11:20 PM
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I assume this is in reference to his works Atomised and Submission? Seeing individualism as the reason for declining community seems like a tautology on one hand and on the other hand reeks of the usual tradcon approach. An atomised society (notice the passive) that is expressing their individualism in the color of their Iphone-cases and acts like one massive borg-like entity nowaydays yet it is individualism that is the problem?
/r/MGTOW23/05/19 09:02 PM
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He talks about a French writer that speaks about the downfall of society due to individualism and primarily focused on working women. Houellebecq? In any case, quite funny to blame "individualism" with the current tax rates in Europe. It is rather a collectivist disaster.
/r/MGTOW23/05/19 07:23 PM
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experts are scratching their heads as to why. Sure thing, due to the intelligence crisis, our experts all had an IQ of only 90. The best of the best that we could come up with! Joke aside, apart form shitty mate selection by females, I do think there's a nuture part to this as well: Stress (of the mouse utopia kind), mass media idiocy and so forth certainly don't increase intelligence. I doubt that the folks at the top don't know this, though.
/r/MGTOW23/05/19 10:21 AM
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Consider that the nihilism is something that has been in a way "brainwashed" into you. What I do and did to help my spirit is maybe a bit of a dangerous path to walk in this extreme way if you are thinking about that often (yes, been there done that in former times) so I don't want to give you any real hard advice here just a couple thoughts to ponder. I am what folks would call an 'INTJ' so YMMV.. but my suicidal thoughts faded since I a) went MGTOW (full monk but to each their own), b) moved o…
/r/MGTOW18/03/19 10:18 PM
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Absolutely. And it is good to be virtuous in any case. But I bet that even in the more conservative times when courtship rules were a lot stricter, the females still selected for the chads who broke the rules ... Even though I have no data on that it seems to be a very easy extrapolation back in time of how female behavior and nature was then.
/r/MGTOW18/03/19 08:58 AM
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The true nihilism is in the control matrix of today, being a debt slave and marriage slave to a government/financial/corporate overlord and nagging/unpleasant/beastly woman. Not only that, I also think defining your life around reproduction and how much pussy you can get is exactly empty and hollow nihilism. The fiery mating dance that might look so interesting when one is horny is just exactly the same boring pattern as it is for animals. Even if one is not in monk mode, I think it is wise to l…
/r/MGTOW18/03/19 08:45 AM
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What Jews want is slaves, specifically debt slaves and that means having kids. Interesting. The usual Jewish conspiracy that I see by tradcons is that 'da Jews' are trying to destroy the white race through immigration and causing the plummeting birth rates ... I don't see a reason to believe in any of these Jewish conspiracies and rather think plain gynocentrism is the cause of our ills. But this sounds like there's mutually exclusive conspiracy theories within the tradconsphere now. Maybe divid…
/r/MGTOW16/03/19 08:26 PM
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In order for society to function at all, we need to be "cucked" in someway. Otherwise we will not have a strong enough unity to defend ourselves or function properly. Yes. Though I wonder whether we want to be 'cucked', really, or rather have some kind of fair insurance against invaders and for basic infrastructure. I agree with the idea but I also think wording it cucked is a bit off maybe? Then it is probably hard to ever reach the state of 'not being cucked' in this regard, so there is that .…
/r/MGTOW16/03/19 08:11 PM
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Jordan believes, rightfully, that nihilism and apathy are humanity's greatest enemies, though he wrongly attributes these traits to men like us, and refuses to fight against the very ideas that would cause such apathy in the first place. Emphasis mine. QFT. I wholeheartedly agree. Nihilism is destructive. But we're the ones who got out of it. Today's mating dance and overall societal "culture" is exactly nihilistic and leading folks into the abyss. JBP should think hard about what he's trying to…
/r/MGTOW16/03/19 07:52 PM
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Well, he's clearly somewhere between thought- and cult-leader. And like most thought and like all cult leaders, he wants to occupy part of your mind, take your attention and in the 'optimal' case (for him!) shape you to something he believes in. There is obviously no reason at all to complain or get upset about MGTOW. We're peaceful, non-aggressive and easy-going. Maybe with a healthy and necessary dose of arrogance and so-called "muhsoggynee" (rather: realism) but all in a passive way. No harm …
/r/MGTOW16/03/19 07:50 PM
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It doesn't catch on easily Maybe it is just myself and my own path in life (which is not exactly Epicureanism but follows the general idea of a simplified life for yourself). But sometimes I do wonder whether this is simply massive, society-wise confirmation bias? I mean, as you say, it doesn't involve 'impressing others'. And so that means you won't see folks bragging about their content lifestyle (except for the occasional humble brag on this or similar subreddits, I guess) so they become the …
/r/MGTOW15/03/19 09:22 AM
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To dwell on your idea: I think that's the approximate direction it has to go (unless we gid rid of all technology). I think one problem that you're going to face is the combination of gynocentrism and the state. It seems to always tend to make the state oppressive against men, no matter whether it is about conservatives or liberals. I don't care about the mating rituals and mating dance much anymore. Nor about the 80:20 rule and who has access to pussy. At least not directly. But what I do care …
/r/MGTOW15/03/19 09:18 AM
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Because divorce is the goal for tradcucks. Well said. Basically, the conservative's noble lie isn't really that noble after all.
/r/MGTOW15/03/19 09:04 AM
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Well did you actually see the assault happen with your own eyes? I wouldn't believe anything here unless I'd seen it with my own eyes .. I think you are gullible if you trust the word of one or even many women. Sounds like a lot of invented drama, to be honest.
/r/MGTOW08/03/19 09:49 AM
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Fair points, gotcha. The thing is that I can quite easily deal with entitled princesses and their narcicissitic personalities by just avoiding them. Same with their accompanying white knights (for the most part). But I can merely cope with an injust system and its modes of exploitation. Even as a MGTOW I pay taxes and even as a MGTOW I have to interact at some level with the broken rest of society.
/r/MGTOW06/03/19 08:54 PM
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Correct, but still besides the point. My point was that they are to be blamed for their own shit. They have agency. I am not at all doubting that the men lining up to serve them makes everything worse. But the much bigger problem is not 'men serving women', it is 'women and men crushing other men with injustice'. I can avoid being a pussy beggar. I cannot avoid having to deal with injust laws and protecting myself from false accusations. I further have to pay net taxes into the system, to pay fo…
/r/MGTOW06/03/19 08:50 PM
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That is completely besides the point.
/r/MGTOW06/03/19 09:40 AM
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Ironically, this reeks once more of the all-too-typical, biological gynocentric absolve-the-women-from-all-agency bullshit that brought us where we are. Women are shitty, so let's blame the men once more. There's still enough feedback that women get regarding their bad behaviors. Now, can women become spoiled princesses because of the orbiters around them all the time? Sure enough. But can they become conniving bitches that destroys men through divorce, false rape accusations and by enacting fur…
/r/MGTOW06/03/19 09:12 AM
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I think right now, MGTOW is in "brthe eak away from the plantation" stage. I think that is confirmation bias. Because the many folks around here are merely the crowd around the gate to the whole world of living in different ways on one's own terms. There's some folks who go 'back to the plantation' and others who probably have enough of it all, throw out their computers and live on absolute minimalism. And everything in between. Many of those you won't see around here. There is much of the commo…
/r/MGTOW05/03/19 05:32 PM
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Do you have a link to the NIH results? Sounds interesting!
/r/MGTOW04/03/19 08:37 AM
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Interesting, didn't know about Gatto, thanks.
/r/MGTOW02/03/19 10:00 AM
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Can you link sources? I am curious about where this is coming from.
/r/MGTOW28/02/19 01:06 PM
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This OP is cringe worthy. Dude clearly doesn't understand that women behave according to the expectations we have for them. But that's completely besides the point of whether they're objects or not. And "cringe worthy" is exactly something a white knight cares about. That said, I don't quite share OP's perspective. I see them as moral agents and they therefore get the full blame for how shitty they are on average.
/r/MGTOW27/02/19 09:01 PM
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I see, thanks.
/r/MGTOW27/02/19 08:55 PM
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Interesting... when did you "retire" here? I sensed a slight shift in topics and discussion on this subreddit in the last few days/weeks or so.
/r/MGTOW27/02/19 07:44 PM
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As others have said .. you did the right thing but maybe talked too much and too honestly about the reasons. What is screwed up is that you have your own phone and your own boundaries, and there was basically an attack by others on that who used social shaming tactics to try to make you conform to their wishes. So don't feel bad because they shamed you! Sadly, most people are annoying in any case and as you correctly observe, if you let them come too close they can become outright dangerous.
/r/MGTOW27/02/19 07:41 PM
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Your plan is great, and that's all that counts. It will also solve the female noise problem you seem to have right now... :D
/r/MGTOW26/02/19 07:37 AM
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Interesting. I now also found a couple articles discussing this matter. Thanks. From what I read so far it doesn't look like a direct causal relationship, but it is indeed fitting in the sense of "follow the money". In former times I was all about having some minimum social safety net and a common understanding of helping your fellow man - with the implied expectation of being helped in turn, should the need ever arise. The more I see what is going on, the more I see how money to the government …
/r/MGTOW22/02/19 09:31 AM
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I never heard that, can you explain why?
/r/MGTOW22/02/19 09:06 AM
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A couple random thoughts: However, it scared me a little bit that the more I read some of these posts, the more they resonated with me. Being autonomous is always superior than having to support someone else, whether or not they contribute equally. When I was a teenager, I had very similar thoughts and eventually came to the conclusion that if I ever enter a relationship, it would be with me and my girlfriend separate lives for the most part - in separate apartments etc. This is what MGTOW now s…
/r/MGTOW21/02/19 11:36 AM
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It's not going to last... "There is nothing permanent except change." -- Heraclitus Meanwhile, it helps to work on the mindset - that's a large part of one's happiness. It seems obvious to me that indifference is rather the right approach instead of hate, but to each their own. Hating seems being mentally stuck in the gynocentric system.
/r/MGTOW19/02/19 10:50 AM
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I see, thanks!
/r/MGTOW10/02/19 11:33 AM
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Move to the countryside. Seriously. Folks get lonely because they live in self-imposed, collectivist concrete prisons and are constantly one-upping another. Dog eat dog and everything about sex and power. Of course that is utterly soul-destroying.
/r/MGTOW10/02/19 11:31 AM
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Never had i felt more at peace with myself That makes me very curious: Why are you not a monk anymore, then?
/r/MGTOW03/02/19 05:24 AM
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your unborn needs aborted Female nature. Lack of responsibility and being ruled by sex drive. your sons need hormone therapy Female nature. She considers children an extension of her own body. And that is female, so better make the rest of it female, too. daughters need feminism Female nature. Again, lack of responsibility and everything ruled by sex drive ... your nation needs replaced Female nature. Sex drive. The exotic dick to tame. Conspiracy theory I think this can be mostly explained with…
/r/MGTOW28/01/19 08:02 AM
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You are making the usual error. There is no strict definition for MGTOW. As long as ‘their own way’ is defined as what they want to do (instead of living their life according to others whims), they are MGTOW. If they GTOW in ways you don’t approve – tough shit. So someone is going his own way as he's slaving for pussy? Nope, sorry, that is just a postmodernist language game that you are playing here, right up the ally with all the feminists and Orwellians trying to say black is white for decades…
/r/MGTOW21/01/19 10:15 AM
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Many men are simply unable to realize their own built-in gynocentrism and - of course - lash out at/shame/blame/... other men for their own problems. I think it is the same dynamic why many men slowly move from a more libertarian 'mens rights' view to the classical, conservative tradcuck view of "men have to expend themselves to save the country (and the women and children!1!)". I think in a couple years or maybe a decade, assuming that society as it is still lasts that long, there's might be a …
/r/MGTOW17/01/19 11:24 AM
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PUA is "ignore them and demonstrate value" to make them chase you. Which is a contradiction. I think it is the fundamental contradiction by which you either destroy yourself trying to live it ... or become MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW05/01/19 07:37 AM
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Well, but then that's exactly still trying to mold MGTOW into something more palatable to gynocentrism - which is making it gynocentric itself. I see where you're coming from now, but you'll just help to dilute and destroy the message. Which is eternal, of course, so will reappear at another time. A process which will likely happen sometime down the road. I guess it still makes sense to point out that cycle of history ...
/r/MGTOW31/12/18 09:36 AM
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Agreed, though want to note that there's an interesting trap here: Responsing to the demonization with the opposite, idolization, is just the other side of the very same coin. It seems best to observe this from a distance. And then you see that this force indeed turns humans into animals.
/r/MGTOW31/12/18 09:29 AM
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Even some of these women secretly want us this way. Only to have a target to work on to "tame". Or lets rather put it correctly: Destroy.
/r/MGTOW31/12/18 09:18 AM
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A large part of interacting with others is just them trying to destroy your soul. It isn't even enough if you act in a fair, tit-for-tat and strictly economical sense with them. Independent thinking is already enough to make you a target. It really is like facing the borg. Whoever invented that part of the series script was a keen observer of so-called society. And women with their constant chatting and shaming are the most close representatives of this evil organism and its workings. Funny and …
/r/MGTOW31/12/18 09:16 AM
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LOL. I think it is actually pretty pathetic to urge others to delete stuff out of fear of being called incel.
/r/MGTOW13/12/18 01:24 PM
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Starts with any interaction you have where other folks want something from you. If they fear you might have actual teeth and even use them, they'll not bother you as much. And they'll start bargaining with a much better offer. Creates kind of a conundrum when you want to be a genuinely nice person. I think the answer here is to withdraw from toxic people. Which, given the state of society and mankind in general, means withdrawing from most people, of course. I prefer to call it solitude. And I s…
/r/MGTOW10/12/18 07:27 AM
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1001 cock stare? :D
/r/MGTOW04/12/18 01:53 PM
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LOL :D
/r/MGTOW01/12/18 11:45 AM
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Its also very powerful Yes, and as we all know, power corrupts. I have nothing against religion per se but organized religion always has the very human elements of greed, corruption and whatnot in its mix.
/r/MGTOW01/12/18 11:42 AM
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But what the quirky professor says is laced with too much get-back-to-the-plantation poison. In the ensuing next cycle of one-upmanship to fulfill his instilled ideals, at some point you will break again. Maybe for the last time. But you will certainly have been a good man; in the sense of having been shaped by his destructive ideas of manhood. I rather go my own way, thank you very much.
/r/MGTOW03/11/18 08:28 AM
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Emma Watson.
/r/MGTOW03/11/18 08:15 AM
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Its either you eat or you get eaten, when it comes to women. Quite true. I think what you describe here is actually one of the more harmless parts of that dynamic. But it would already be too much character bending for me. Also, juice, squeeze, not worth it, and so forth. But you do you. The point is that I don't want to become someone who looks into the mirror and is just disgusted at what he sees. I suspect quite a few PUAs will end up there.
/r/MGTOW13/10/18 07:57 PM
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Most women are normal bombs but BPD is a nuclear warhead waiting to explode More like one of those cake fireworks but filled with nukes. And set off already. "He raped me" "And he raped me" "Oh, yeah, he raped me as well". "Of course he raped me, I am so irresitible, look at me". "Oh yes, you just raped me as well". Pure evil.
/r/MGTOW13/10/18 07:43 PM
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In-fucking-deed. They are right on the edge of bitch and witch.
/r/MGTOW13/10/18 07:38 PM
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The BPD girls I've talked with were usually raped and abused multiple times. That is what they say. Sorry, but I don't believe any of that. I put all of them collectively into the lying POS bin.
/r/MGTOW13/10/18 07:37 PM
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Interesting, I do the same. But for me, it helps to just imagine post nut clarity. There's often an element of exhaustion, emptiness or even sadness and a feeling of pointlessness after sex - and imagining that helps me to realize this is not something that is really worth pursuing.
/r/MGTOW12/10/18 08:56 PM
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Well said. Besides the obvious positive salespitch to women, I believe one of the ways feminism has been so "successful" lately is to pretend to care about these issues when the political right is displaying and demanding their variant of strong, "die for the country and respect my authoritay" gynocentrism. The feminists said, all too often: "But we feminists care about the men, too." It is, of course, all a devilish lie.
/r/MGTOW02/10/18 08:23 AM
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A leader should kill the followers when they stop working. Ah crap, A leading process of any color or sexual orientation or otherwise should kill a following process of any color or orientation or otherwise if it stops providing universal basic income. Fixed that for you! /s
/r/MGTOW20/09/18 11:55 AM
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Rumor is that this is due to Torvald's own daughter being infected by the feminist virus. There's reason to believe that this might be true. (https://opensource.com/life/15/8/patricia-torvalds-interview)
/r/MGTOW20/09/18 11:51 AM
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So New Zealand is ruled by a 7-year-old girl?
/r/MGTOW31/07/18 06:15 PM
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If someone tries to dominate you, and it is obvious they are trying and you are unaffected, then anything you say will come from a place of strength and will wreck them and also your attitude is hugely attractive to other people (and makes the bully look like shit). Indeed. Along similar lines is this saying I learned here on /r/MGTOW: "The best revenge is living well". Though one must truly understand that this won't work when the end goal is yet again 'to impress the women', a.k.a.: "I'll be M…
/r/MGTOW29/07/18 09:45 AM
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Talking about stealing: The word "English" derives from a region and small town in northern Germany... :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language
/r/MGTOW26/07/18 07:02 AM
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You certainly have a point, but I think it is more subtle than just 'be an extreme minimalist'. My stance is rather like "Moderation is key, and that goes for minimalism as well :)". I think what you say depends a lot on what material possessions you are talking about. A nice, shiny car can be driven around and is, well, nice and shiny. It also might be taken as kind of a work of art and one might dwell over all the engineering that went into it. The major downside of the car is of course that i…
/r/MGTOW22/06/18 07:43 AM
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One last word; in my opinion, staying alive AND caring about someone else's life even if they aren't you and this person is hurting you is a great thing. I might be naive because of my own life but. Yes, but. Only do this from a position of strength, ONLY after you acquired and secured all the necessary resources to do so. It is IMO not at all wrong or despicable goal to aim for full financial independence before helping ANYONE else. At your own desired level of comfort! Anything else is IMO jus…
/r/MGTOW19/06/18 04:14 AM
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Well said.
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 03:06 PM
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It's like asking a water buffalo to feel anything except bored and hungry. The buffalo doesn't pretend, at least. Except women pretend to be all sweet and caring and full of virtue, while they are not. I have seen it often enough: The male faces job loss, health issues, etc. What happens? The female becomes bitchy and angry and decidedly adds some stress on top of that. No matter what kind of 'relationship status'. Married or not. So we should love and/or marry to 'support each other through eve…
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 07:53 AM
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It's like he's so afraid of nihilism that he's ready to tell a narrative just to combat what he sees as a negative influence on the person and society, no matter if it's true or not. Why should we tailer information around the person's ability to emotionally handle it? Interesting perspective. So in other words, you think he might actually be driven by his own inner nihilism? I think nihilism, like absurdism and other similar philosphies, are fundamentally self-contradicting. Yet, society for so…
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 08:45 AM
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So you think maybe there some psyops attempted as well? Maybe so, yeah ...
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 08:38 AM
1

Well said, thanks.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 08:36 AM
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Indeed. I actually think trying to find for 'black or red pill ideas to make you unhappy' is masochism in disguise. And to some extend essentially blue-pilled behavior still. I think there's a (somewhat deranged) line of thinking that when a thought hurts, it is true. Some truths hurt, but it does not mean the opposite: Mental hurt does not equal one found bits of the truth.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 05:24 PM
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And at some point of GYOW, you realize you are indeed truly out of this game. Quite interesting, to neutrally observe all this damn noise around reproduction. Of course, they think that we're the mentally deranged ones. And they vastly outnumber us. But whatever. Let them have their delusions.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 05:17 PM
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That's a specious argument. For two reasons. Bear alphas are highly productive. Most men aren't bear alphas and will never be bear alphas. They simply do not have that level of commitment to ambition. Most men have a genuine mix of laziness and ambition, and material want drives the shift from laziness to ambition. Material want that is heavily multiplied in marriage. Having genius level IQ doesn't magically give a man Bear Alpha ambition. The combination of the two is extremely rare. Removing m…
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 08:41 PM
2

I sometimes think this productivity argument, though as applicable it might be to large fractions of the population, falls short if you look at the really productive people: Tesla, Newton and so forth. Unmarried, yet still extremely productive with the highest quality "output". I think there's something to be said about the higher and highest spheres of achievement being exactly blocked by any attempts to extract resources from them. It will backfire. In that sense, I think a society can only th…
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 04:58 PM
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Tying your self-worth to pussy can be deadly. I know exactly where you are coming from. Been there, done that. Now I am free, more happy and more successful. And in perpetual monk mode. But on the latter, to each their own. "Respect women" is the mind virus with which they (attempt to) control you.
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 04:48 PM
2

I think it is rather the impossible-to-fulfill double bind of everyone (PUA, females, the media) telling you 'you gotta get sex, sex, sex!' PLUS the very real shaming of us males for having any kind of sexual urges. This is my view on it from a discussion from yesterday. Feels quite natural if folks try to drive you to insanity using your sex drive, that maybe that very drive gets reduced while you start hating yourself.
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 11:02 AM
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That's a consequence of males high sex drives. They learn, since puberty, that men are primarily only interested in them for sex. So, as a result, they derive their value and appeal from that. They're not doing it because they crave sex so much...Women aren't posing nearly naked on IG, Fakebook, Snapchat, magazines, and all of the rest because they want sex. They're doing it because that is the primary tool they have at their disposal to get - attention, validation, and to manipulate others into…
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 10:35 AM
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If women had the same libido as men, we'd see - just as many male IG models, just as many strip clubs w/male dancers, and as large of a market for male prostitution as there is for females. There isn't and the answer is simple - the female sex drive pales in comparison to the males. But maybe it is actually more complex?: Due to the nature of the dating game (which is the same in the animal world) where the male has to play the active part, the female sex drive can simply express itself as the p…
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 01:42 AM
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It is very interesting. Feminism has a two-sided approach here: On one hand, they are all proclaiming that it is best to 'explore your sexuality' and so forth, as well trying to put sex above everything else in terms of life goals! And, on the other hand, as you say, they go and demonize us men for our sex drive, in all forms. Those who believe that "the powers that be" designed this to drive us men crazy would likely say now that it is exactly this kind of explicit double bind tactic that prove…
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 01:37 AM
1

You're using a classic Bitcoin Cash community tactic to try to discredit and devalue Bitcoin. You're trying to confuse uninformed people and steal the Bitcoin name when there is no widespread consensus behind you. I am in this long enough (to say it lightly) to remember that the so called Bitcoin Core "community" didn't want to trust hash power to define the coin. If hash power does NOT define the coin, then Bitcoin Cash has as much as a claim to the name Bitcoin as Bitcoin Core does. No manipul…
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 02:05 PM
1

No it is not true. Bitcoin Cash is exactly what Bitcoin was always meant to be. I could go on now arguing with seanneko. But as you seem to want to invest, or hold crypto, I suggest to do your own research. Especially if you are going to deal with larger sums. Ask the respective communities, ask e.g. /r/Bitcoin (a place of the Bitcoin Core community) what they think about Bitcoin Core vs. Bitcoin Cash and ask /r/btc (a place ofthe Bitcoin Cash community) about it. Notice where you can speak free…
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 08:40 AM
1

Agreed. Also, if you want legacy, looking down to the genes your are made out of is just one option. There's a whole set of things allowing you to achieve or strive for legacy in the other direction: Art, Science, Literature, ... For example, Newton was proud that he never had sex. And then there's the whole overpopulation angle. I also have nothing against kids per se, I just think on a global level, we should reproduce less. Last but not least, I have nothing against furries, though. "You do y…
/r/MGTOW08/05/18 07:57 PM
1

... it isn't that bad yet. But it will likely be. But you can squarely thank the left political side for this mess. It is almost like folks are being socially engineered into right wing racist and fascist totalitarianism (again). Any hint at actually dealing with problems was not PC and at best ignored, at worst made and makes you a hate criminal.For example, good luck reasoning with half of reddit on this issue. "Islam is not a race" is islamophobia or something. I see it in a libertarian: Remo…
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 07:49 PM
1

I don't get why you're still downvoted saying it with that qualifier.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 07:43 PM
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In general I'd agree, but I guess it makes a lot of sense to own your boat if you're a liveabord, for example. Which I'd guess is very much a 'one's own way' kind of lifestyle.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 07:48 PM
1

One has negative experiences with women, doesn't that give them more legitimacy when criticizing female behavior? Good catch, compare the opposite: (Supposed) bad experiences with men are one heck of legitimacy boost for (supposed) female victims. Which fucking nicely shows you that the same sentence with swapped genders is parsed by our (biological) gynocentrism into two pretty much opposing emotional responses.
/r/MGTOW30/04/18 04:03 PM
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If you think men and women are equally able of rational thinking it must be because you think like a woman. Well, maybe some of them are, but maybe only men have empathy. Current feminism certainly works for some "queen bees". They can freely choose their "top alpha" to breed with and let the rest of the males compete to death to give her all kinds of stuff. This is also independent from the situation that most females are less happy since feminism. But you can certainly see the current situatio…
/r/MGTOW30/04/18 03:57 PM
1

now you are slave. Oh, pulling out the shaming like the little tradcuck. How predictable.
/r/MGTOW25/04/18 08:01 AM
1

Maybe he likes living in grass huts.
/r/MGTOW25/04/18 07:56 AM
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True, but women assume things will correct themselves. The world always adjusts itself to a woman’s needs. I guess that is because it does. Look at all the tradcons now doing the idiotic "alt-right" variant of pandering to pussy "we have to protect our wimminz from da evil brown people!1!". Look at how MGTOW is invaded by tradcon. And again, it is all about the pussy. Women sit back and see men fight things out. And go with the winner. I suspect what folks call "the elites" doing "divide and con…
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 06:15 AM
1

This reads like an ought. Men do this, men do that. Men become little tradcon slaves again. You do you.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 06:07 AM
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Hmm, interesting, I sometimes close my eyes when I want to concentrate in a discussion (and maybe while I say something), not because I want to lie. Basically, it feels like shutting off external visual stimuli to spent less effort processing those and having more energy left to concentrate on the issue. But lying might also be something that needs more concentration and effort, so maybe that's why she closed her eyes? Just wondering, I don't know whether there are (believable!) studies into thi…
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 12:38 PM
1

Women - at most - are a compliment to an already full life. Indeed. And I think they are in most cases, not even that. Nagging bitches is rather appropriate. And usually, the mask comes off only after they 'got you'. I see no reason to risk my health and wellbeing (stress) as well as spending my precious time on chasing any of these anymore. Been there, done that. And the worst is that you never know what kind of female you got. If not AWALT, then at least EWALT. And I see myself not being ruled…
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 12:28 PM
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So tits it is. One-dimensional beings... those women. Naah, lets be fair, tits are a surface and thus two-dimensional! :D
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 12:30 PM
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Yes, I noticed this as well. I think the word "neurotic" is another excellent fit for the situation. Trust is gone and everything is held together by fear and expectations that it will somehow continue as it is. And, yes, gynocentric man-hating is the very cause of this.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 12:00 PM
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For a normal distribution, mean and median are equal.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 06:13 PM
2

Also in my 40s. I remember being on a playground with my nephews and realizing that anybody watching probably automatically assumed I was a creep. I know exactly what you are saying. Heck, even known to be living alone as a male in a suburbia-type or other situation where neighbors know each other and gossip all the time seems to be dangerous enough to paint a target on your head. In that sense, I like solitude and "loneliness". Especially away from all these bitches.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 10:00 PM
1

Well, I think there's some of us who didn't pursue solitude because society tells everyone that they're nothing unless the've got some pussy and even though you feel you are on the edge whilst growing up, you end up on the wrong side for a while at least. After I tried women, succeeded and failed with them, I am longing for solitude again. So you are right, it is not for all of us, but definitely for some of us. Also note that I still connect to others. Such as right here, in this forum.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 09:57 PM
1

Everybody is looking out for themselves, at all times, in their own way. It is part of our biological programming. It is inescapable. I think I get what you are saying and where you are coming from. I still disagree. Biology and selfishness are fundamentally incompatible. According to biology, you are just a machine and there's not even a place for a self. So how can "you" even be selfish? You are just an automaton in the universe. What /u/lacaedyl said below about selfish genes makes more sense…
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 05:19 PM
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After having been where you seem be right now, I tend to disagree. Many men risk their lives and well-being to save others, commit suicide in huge rates and kill each other in wars to protect others. I truly think we have both, selfishness and selflessness. Key is finding the balance. I think that giving without suffering can oly happen by acquiring a position of sufficient strength first. And never, ever giving that up for anyone else.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 10:38 AM
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Exactly. I was politically left when I grew up. A.k.a. "Sounds great to be nice to others". The hypocrisy there (such as ALL of feminism, which is ALL fundamentally man-hating) taught me that most of these folks are basically using the variants of "don't be selfish" shaming to simply get everything that they can out of you. Until you end up stressed out, burned out and as a former shell of yourself. I might well give back to society in the future. But it will be a from a position of strength, on…
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 10:32 AM
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Indeed.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 08:46 PM
1

We aren't gravely overpopulated. Unless you're in the third world. I dunno. I find the 80+M people in Germany to be too much. 20M or so would allow for much better quality of life.
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 12:49 PM
1

Exactly!
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 12:43 PM
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Indeed. I lately think this idea (as expressed by some of the writing in this sub) that many religions basically started out as ancient variants of "MGTOW manuals" is may be not that wrong. Only over time then to be corrupted by gynocentrism and the folks at the top of these to wield power, of course.
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 12:42 PM
2

I see. Well, I guess there's always something I'd mind about my group peers if they're too close to me. I wouldn't mind, rather like being in a village (though with my own spacious lawn all around me) with a couple MGTOWs or so. I also don't mind interacting with society on the level of fully aware trading: I write this software for you, you give me money, and then I can use that to buy food/electricity/healthcare. But I really like that kind of interaction explicit and with my full awareness. C…
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 04:32 PM
2

I see. But it wasn't at the super-cringeworthy level of them calling themselves AMOGs, or was it? :D Life is a lot better and easier if you drop the damn cunts altogether.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 04:25 PM
2

There's also an effect of tall people drawing ire for being tall. Folks seem to seek you out for a fight. But I agree that the positives likely outweight the negatives.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 04:23 PM
3

There's likely a similar list of non-athletic scientists. I guess the answer is simply: To each their own. I take the middle ground, meaning enough workout to keep me from becoming a slob.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 04:19 PM
2

I use to be very dark triad. You think that is good? It is not healthy at all. It is great not to be dark triad. I think aspiring to be "dark triad" or bad guy is a sure way to end up hurting oneself in the end. Buddha or whoever said this was right on this one. Whether that is the denial that one has the need for some kind of value and value system most guys likely momentarily have when raging against injustice and "wanting to become one of the bad guys" (yes, been there, of course, many times)…
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 04:13 PM
5

What kind of meetups?
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 03:58 PM
1

The leverage is being able to walk away. Like, why even have a lever attached to them? And yes, "they" do make that harder and harder. Billions of other humans on this planet do not make it easier when aiming for some physical distance from your fellow stupid apeshumans.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 03:53 PM
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At least in Murrica, you've got lots of space to move away from folks. Europe is all packed with annoying people, and it is still getting more. Canada sounds close to optimal. As long as you can avoid most of the femicrap.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 03:45 PM
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I just prefer to do so in a manner where I can just turn them on and off at my very whim, which the internet is great for. I think know exactly what you are saying, I guess am thinking the same way. Basically, I want to get closer to a living situation where I can interact with people when I want to, and am not force-fed the constant noise and bullshit of so-called "civilization". But I think that doesn't need a true off-grid property in the woods. I think a house in a rural area with a large ga…
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 03:40 PM
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I see it like this: Our biological gynocentrism will ensure that society at large is always susceptible to and will succumb to feminist-style brainwashing to a degree. However, if you go too far too quickly (and I think we might just have done that with poundmetoo and similar stuff), there's potential for a medium-sized bubble to pop once in a while. Of course, it won't pop back to any really just baseline: Just less of the gynocentrism and the pendulum back towards (eventually just as gynocentr…
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 06:02 AM
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I think being genuine and nice does that already. Women (as well as some men) seem to assume that is automatically gay. Because what kind of weirdo would value being civilized and thus interact with others under a common, agreed-upon rule set and be empathic enough to expect the same from others and also operate under that assumption... /s The mating jungle we have right now will select against exactly these males. Many of us, basically. If you think about it, society is a big mess. I now unders…
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 05:50 AM
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Well said, thanks. More and more tradcons around lately. Kind of off-putting. I think that will be the undoing of the public MGTOW forums, like this one. The message being diluted by idiots and the wise guys leaving or finding something better to do. Probably, some ten years down the road, MGTOW will be indiscernible from PUA/TRP. "You have to make here feel good, if you are not Keanu Reeves, you are a loser". Or something like that.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 05:27 AM
1

It's a straw man, to fight your straw man of "we need the guns to protect ourselves from the government" There is historical evidence that countries with an unarmed citizenship are easier to make highly authoritarian regimes. That evidence might not be enough to convince you - fair enough - but it is there. And that was my whole point.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 05:23 AM
1

These sound to me like arguments that Europe is pretty bad... Yes. Sure. However, you said: You tried to argue that Europe has done worse things in warfare than the US My point was more that it is a wash and people can be quite atrocious all over the planet.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 05:21 AM
1

You tried to argue that Europe has done worse things in warfare than the US And where TF have I said so?
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 12:43 PM
1

Your favorite way of arguing seems to be the straw man. Of course, a gov wouldn't mass-nuke its own population - as it wants to use it in war after all. It wants to control it with a paid army, though. And that becomes a lot more difficult when the other side is armed for urban conflict.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 12:42 PM
1

US is the king od dropping bombs on people, they are also the only country in the world that is doing this everyday even today. No other country currently drops bombs on any other country. Some countries never did it. Heck, you have bombs in your national anthem... that's how much you love bombs. I have never said that I in anyway like or downplay the external aggression of the U.S. government, or have I? Get away from your simplified black and white thinking.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 08:58 AM
1

Guns are stabilizing nothing... each weekend, when the next big school, church, club or military base shooting takes place, the country is literally split in half, for weeks and weeks of debates, accusations, protests, riots even.... the country is constantly on the verge of civil unrest because of the gun issue. That country is the oldest, continuous, large-scale democracy as imperfect as it is. I argue an armed populace might have something to do with it.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 08:58 AM
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Hackerspaces? Close and it also fits my hobbies and interests. But unfortunately, I've seen a few of these and what happens is that eventually the first 'quirky, funny' (and feminist, of course) chick arrives. Of course she asks for things to be done a bit differently - and males start to compete for attention. As soon as the first woman is in the space, atmosphere becomes shit (unless she is one of those rare NAWALT cases, which then usually still makes the guys all competitive, unless she's NA…
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 09:16 PM
2

I absolutely see what you are saying and it makes sense. But I see variants of it from both sides of the political spectrum. For example, I see a lot of moves by the left to either hide the fact, downplay the act or otherwise dissociate from the religious background when a Muslim does something and it is related to his religion. Look at the example you brought and imagine the reaction from left. And I don't mind moderate forms of neither Christianity nor Islam, I have friends of both backgrounds…
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 10:28 AM
1

Mwahaha. There is a hole in your argument! I like it.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 10:04 AM
1

Just take a thorough walk through any big city. Try Berlin.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 11:59 PM
1

This is closer to being the truth than it is a metaphor. Maybe. I am not religious, agnostic, and I hate preaching and narrow-mindedness. But I think some ideas from religion make sense when reading 'pray to god' as 'strive for the good life' sense. With hell and heaven rather as states of mind and society than the afterworld. I think individuals capable of free thought have seen a glimpse of each in themselves and around them. I guess maybe that's about what the Buddhists would say.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 11:57 PM
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I see where you are coming from. Many of us have our kinks and oddities that are likely not fully socially acceptable. Anything from eating breakfast naked to weird fetishes. Or sex dolls. All ok with me. I think it should stay private though. It would be great if both individuals AND society would accept that. There's this insane mantra and meme that everything should be pulled out into the open. I think it is very damaging and it also reeks of being partly driven by women's desire to gossip to…
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 11:51 PM
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That doesn't work after the post-marriage inflation stage.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 06:20 PM
2

Well said. Though I think it isn't just PUAs hyping up that urge, it is all of society. To the point where it almost becomes the singular reason to exist or reason to act, like a false god.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 06:17 PM
3

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Delete your facebook account or just don't log into it.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 06:15 PM
1

Europe has been fighting in wars since before the development of gun powder, hence we focus on what war is to people on both sides, not how to quickly dispatch your enemy on the other side? Like gassing each other, putting minority in ovens and dropping shitloads of bombs on each other's heads. I think that shows that there's not much focus on what war is, rather on how to wage it -and yes, quickly dispatch you troops. Europe is not at all a peaceful place. It might be since the invention of nuk…
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 06:07 PM
1

why is your big government meddling with such harmless items like cigars? I'd say it's a sign of big government doing as it pleases... Sure it is, but just because a government is oppressive banning drugs doesn't mean it becomes even more oppressive also banning guns ... As a non gun-loving non-gun-owning European who's scared enough of 'lets have a couple beers and shot some stuff' redneck culture, I can totally understand where the 2nd amendment in the U.S. is coming from. And I also suspect i…
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 06:04 PM
1

Let's be honest here, both sides are fucking over young men. The left want to ban guns to avoid addressing the true issue, the right want to pawn it off as "mental illness". I do think there's quite some mental illness in mass shooting other people, but that doesn't mean I cannot look for and find at least a large part of the cause for that in society. But I totally get what you are saying. The elephant in the room is avoided.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 05:54 PM
1

This is why I think MGTOW is flawed. Just because you decide not to play the game, doesn't mean you are going to be spared. Too many MGTOW don't realize this. I think many realize this, but will personal political action change any of this? I don't think so. All you can work on is your personal net worth, personal skills and potentially personal options to flee the country, should they really start to crack down on single males. I personally think that there is and will be simply so much supply …
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 05:51 PM
1

still best to go your own way. just sayin' Absolutely - if you can. In that sense, society is better today: We are shamed but not forced into sacrificing ourselves. At least at the moment. I hope it stays like this for as long as possible.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 05:36 PM
1

start out all over again due to domestic violence You mean, hitting your husband with whatever things you had laying around?
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 05:33 PM
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In spots, that might be true, but I think you put deeply rose-tinted glasses on if you think former rulers haven't wasted many men's lives mainly for purely personal gain. If you personally want to be a hero and enlist in some war - go ahead. No one is stopping you.
/r/MGTOW21/02/18 01:19 PM
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Well I think it does work to quite an extend. Just look at the dumb bitches. It is almost like reflexes in them. Being an asshole does make them wet. But is becoming an asshole really what you want? And it is not only being an asshole with women, where you could say: well they want it anyways. If you really want to "out alpha" everyone, part will be to be an asshole with your fellow males as well.
/r/MGTOW21/02/18 01:16 PM
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Fair enough but 'die for the country' is the well known age-old tradcon variant of male disposability. I see it as /u/ididntsaythatspez remarks above. In the end both are my enemies, trying to throw me under the bus for their own personal gain or winning further favors of the holy vagina.
/r/MGTOW21/02/18 01:05 PM
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Liberation and total freedom comes when you stop chasing those bitches There is a crazy belief in TRP - and I actually argue in most of society now - that 'if you only become the most alphaest alpha', then everything and everyone will obey you and you'll drown in pussy. Two things are wrong here: a) that an individual can out-alpha violent groups of people, such as the state, and that this is desirable to do or even desirable to try b) that you'll be content with all that pussy in the end, and n…
/r/MGTOW21/02/18 12:38 PM
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The tradcons like to say "Women are like Children.". I don't know about you guys, but these bitches here would be the equivalent of Satan's children from hell. (And I am not religious... :D) Kids usually have a lot more responsibility and empathy than this. The whole attitude of these bitches is one of "Fuck him up. You didn't succeed? Try harder!" This isn't "shit testing" anymore. This is "Let me try to destroy him, and if he didn't survive, he wasn't worth it" mentality. Disgusting. Some my o…
/r/MGTOW21/02/18 10:54 AM
1

LOL. I see. Thanks for the insight.
/r/MGTOW21/02/18 10:47 AM
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Yeah, likely. I was also thinking 'anyone who got a job with their degree' is listed after I wrote my comment.
/r/MGTOW20/02/18 10:59 AM
10

I seriously lol'ed at that. It's like they have a script. Nah, they have developed that into a fully-fledged compiled binary application :D
/r/MGTOW20/02/18 08:05 AM
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yacht club director LOLWUT? I mean it is not like "software engineering" is anything more likely with that kind of 'degree', but this one sticks out as oddly specific.
/r/MGTOW20/02/18 08:01 AM
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Morals are male traits btw. Amoral strategy is closer to the feminine than it is to the masculine. You might be very right on this point, but I suspect this is the one unbridgeable gap between TRP and MGTOW. TRP hails the "dark triad alpha". The most "alpha" there is. Maximum asshole, maximum psychopathy, maximum sociopathy gives you all the pussy. Hybristophilia. The archetype that is PUA taken to the extreme is the serial killer or despot, essentially. Well, I guess biologically that will spre…
/r/MGTOW19/02/18 06:39 PM
1

As a corollary, because immortality is theoretically and practically unachievable, life has meaning :D I actually think the emotional darkness of the red/black/whatever pill is "just" another stage of grief. It is decoupling yourself from your biological imperative to reproduce and as is both very deep inside us AND constantly hammered into us by this woman- and sex-centric culture, the cliff and abyss really indeed look horrible. But I am at the stage where I feel my life has meaning and purpos…
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 09:12 AM
1

I love my family but living with them is the quickest way to start hating them. I need my ME space. It is bad enough that space it as a premium more and more with all the people breeding on this planet. To each their own, though.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 08:46 AM
1

I wonder how long it will take until the first murder investigation involving that island has to take place. I suspect the females there pulling each other's hairs out will be one of the more harmless occurrences. Lesbian relationships have the highest DV rate. Now you have a whole island full of just women ...
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 03:22 PM
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Interestingly, in the comments, many commenters are directing blame away from the woman and pointing towards the 'dire housing situation' or such. They cannot fathom that some women are just so evil. Gynocentrism in action. And the sad thing it is absolutely pointless to argue with these folks.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 01:12 PM
6

Call me soy boy now, but I also look for gloves when doing stuff like that :-) The punched sheet metal is surprisingly sharp and pointy sometimes.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 09:05 PM
3

I hate white nights #metoo. I like them dark and black. Makes me sleep better. ;-)
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 03:30 AM
7

Absolutely. There seems to be an odd relation that the more a society or individual ignores biological reality "You can do anything, you special snowflake!", the more it/him/her actually seems to be ruled by biology. Whereas the more one is aware of one's biology, the more one can indeed rise above. Both nature and nurture is important. With nuture here being the whole, life-long interaction of an individual with (always gynocentric) society, not just the upbringing.
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 07:08 PM
7

You mean, the white knights who always pander to women? Those who take responsibility away from them by calling them 'children'? The only difference between the left and the right regarding gynocentrism seems to be the the white knights on the right end of the spectrum call them spoiled children :-) Go, have a blast and fix this problem. No one is stopping you.
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 01:24 PM
2

Yes, exactly.
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 01:12 PM
2

Yes, absolutely. Regarding the self-reliance, I see my relations to society at large more and more just economical: It is hard to impossible be a 100% self-reliant generalist today. And it is basically impossible for a lone wolf to defend against the hordes should they go nuts in any way - so I am unfortunately eternally at the whim of society at large. All I can do is trade with this beast named society. If you try to explain that view to others, you mostly get a reply of the sort of 'you cynic…
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 01:11 PM
3

the odd spell of lonelyness can easily be cured spending time with a friend or at a dog parc What also helps me is to realize that I am not alone with that feeling and I am this expression/part of of the "universe's will", just like everyone else. It is not that I don't know these feelings of loneliness, of course, but that thought alone can help me immensely to keep warm at night. It comes in various variants, one would be one starting with 'No, weaklion, you are not alone in thinking most peop…
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 04:29 AM
2

and 2. i am irritable with regards to people. Living alone, for myself, seems to help immensely with that. As one would expect. I am still working on making that lifestyle permanent, but I know exactly what you are saying.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 04:20 AM
1

A.k.a. staying true to oneself. What is extremely destructive to that kind of personality (which I see to some extend reflected in mine, though I think I am not as pure) is all kinds of guilt tripping. Rationally realizing that this guilt tripping and shaming (with a huge gynocentric component) is just everywhere made me politically move from a leftist stance to a much more libertarian one, for example. I think your mindset of 'do no harm onto others' PLUS the attitude of 'myself first' is a nic…
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 04:17 AM
1

I believe all people have the ability to achieve a certain level of greatness if they acknowledge their weaknesses and embrace their strong points. That sounds interesting and I value enlightened optimism. Gynocentric culture brainwashing does everything to keep men from acknowledging their weaknesses to themselves. Might this be another reason why it destroys culture? This goes for tradcon gynocentism as well. Note: I am not saying to personally admit weaknesses publicly. I think this is part o…
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 04:09 AM
1

http://www.zpub.com/notes/idle.html
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 09:51 AM
2

Indeed. But what can you do. Males even admitting that certain things are stacked against them seems to be immediately associated with 'weakness'. Which is the ongoing undoing of the MGTOW coattail riders: Back to tradconistan, because, well pussy is just too good and if you don't like it (anymore) you are gay or something. Oh well :-)
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 07:41 PM
5

Indeed.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 07:37 PM
9

how can you be forced into marriage with poligamy and not enough females around??? If you don't have a harem, you'll be a slave. Providing for that harem. Or, you'll be sent into or brought into any of the countless wars and struggles where it shows quite clearly how 'non-expendable' you'll be as a male - or rather: not. Good luck. Although we call ourselves 'wage slaves' or 'tax slaves' here in the west, I still consider it a strictly better mode to live. I do not want an oppressive religion fo…
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 12:32 PM
1

Absolutely. But it a) indeed gets better with age and b) notice that this is amplified by a society chanting 'get pussy, get pussy, get pussy' and c) after rubbing one out, it disappears at least for a while. And then the sex with the crazies is the best. The most intense. Fucking vampires.
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 07:25 AM
2

It seems to depend a lot on personality what to make out of the submission here. For me, it also reads a bit like 'get back to the plantation or you'll become depressed because you have nothing to do, now won't you!' kind of tradcon BS. The point for me is that I never ever had the feeling that I didn't know what to do when alone or with my own time and having the feeling of my basic needs being met. I have and always had enough things I wanted to try, ideas of projects, hobbies, investigations,…
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 07:21 AM
1

she was unemployed, bipolar and 'absolutely crazy'. I ignored this because she was cute. There is your fucking problem, man. Speaking from experience here.
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 09:34 PM
6

Stay the course, gents. This life is not about women. Yet so many times, for so many men, that's exactly what it becomes. Wise words.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 08:33 AM
3

The tale of the fisherman and his wife.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 08:27 AM
2

The left wants big government to fund their feminists dance, single mom welfare and #killallmen programs. The right wants big government to fund wars to send men there and.. #killallmen. Spot the difference.
/r/MGTOW01/02/18 12:01 PM
2

The tiger knows not to eat pink-colored frogs.
/r/MGTOW01/02/18 11:59 AM
1

But as long as I can still decide to opt out, I am not too worried. Of course, society is working hard on bugging people and not leaving them alone even if they want to. And that part, especially if backed by draconian laws, nonsensical requirements etc. is what I feel is encroaching on my personal liberty. If I can't build my own wooden garden shed (though have a building permit) and have to hire a contractor because laws prevent me from doing so. (Or else, hefty fines) If I can't install solar…
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 09:51 AM
2

Yeah, maybe something like that. I think I am personally aiming for some kind of middle ground that does involve consuming from time to time or those things I feel are important to me. I like the positives from modern science and technology as much as I enjoy nature and simple things. I also think it is something personal and does not really make sense for me to become preachy about it in an authoritarian manner. Cutting down my expenses and stuff I own helps me. I might suggest that route other…
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 09:36 AM
3

Maybe one should coin "smallism" for that? Takes away the seeking for the extreme that appears to be in the word minimalism. But it is great, in any case, to see all the empty consumerism for what it is. But that doesn't mean I don't like to consume/buy some things, too. Nice tools for hobbies, for example. I guess it just makes sense to consider "TCO" (total cost of ownership) not only when one runs a business but also when deciding what to buy for one's own life.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 10:14 AM
5

Teaching this to young men in a publicly funded institution is plain wrong. You mean showing the video is wrong? The cherry on top is that it implies there are no consequences for launching a false accusation. Which is the case most of the times.
/r/MGTOW22/01/18 12:10 PM
2

IMO, a very interesting view of 'going full circle' emerges if you look at the feminist cries of 'marital rape' and compare the disappearance of the marriage contract (which was about access to sex for resources in the end) with the emergence of the BDSM sex contract.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 10:26 AM
7

If a girl shouted at a muslim, he would beat the shit out of her and she would never do it again. We are more progressive and nice to them. Well, I like it more civilized as well, rule of law, individual responsibility and all that, but then, our civilization is deeply flawed as it is full of gynocentrism. And when it falls apart, it will again be the men getting killed.
/r/MGTOW21/12/17 10:23 PM
1

Swedes in general shirking expanded gross vaginae SIGSEGV.
/r/MGTOW21/12/17 11:52 AM
4

What was Elon Musk thinking taking Depp's used up skank wife? Oh my disness princess! I don't blame him. I was like that before as well.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 12:32 PM
1

It is like the borg: You (and all your belongings) will be assimilated. But resistance isn't futile. Just don't expose yourself.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 11:59 AM
25

It won't be good for men either, as they and their government try to pull us down with them. I think it might be much worse for men: The women get raped but the men get killed. The usual business in wars.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 08:24 AM
1

Unicorn? Unicorn.
/r/MGTOW18/12/17 04:58 PM
56

🎻
/r/MGTOW18/12/17 04:53 PM
5

If it flies, floats or fucks ...
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 08:55 AM
10

If the threat isn't against their life but against their career, the point basically still roughly stands. Excuse me?! Fewer career opportunities are comparable to rape now?
/r/MGTOW15/12/17 09:24 PM
1

If you said that banker stuff is being address by cryptocurrencies, I would have agreed. Bitcoin has huge scalability problems. BTC's scaling problems have been social and are now economical. Bitcoin Cash addresses those sufficiently. But people around here don't like me saying that. Take it as meaning cryptos in the more general sense. I recommend you to read about an experimentation made in the mid 20th century on rats The Calhoun experiment. Yes, I am aware of that. I contest the idea that it…
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 10:35 PM
1

If it's invested wisely in maintaining a sane society, taxation isn't bad. Meanwhile, men are net tax payers and women are net tax receivers ... And lots of the money goes to funding all kinds of divide-and-conquer and other campaigns to keep you and me in fear with further help of the state's monopoly on violence. Yes, I hear you. I have nothing against a basic social safety net, roads and so forth and paying for those. And getting a guarantee in return that should I encounter hardship, I can a…
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 09:29 AM
2

Too many conservative right wingers here. Rather: People who see through the smoke and mirrors of 'a caring state', given the pile of evidence collected in the last couple decades. Men are disposable, especially for big government. Who dies in wars? And now we should bow down and like this contraption? Not much you can expect from a sub of this nature though. Then why are you here?
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 09:12 AM
1

But it is not that I have no value, it is that I see no value. I have x, I can trade x for y, but I would prefer x to y, thus I keep x. It does not require that I cannot obtain y, nor does the lack of y impede me. Exactly. Price != value. It is interesting how much criticism of the left stems from the core assumption that price == value. They assume it, forget about it, and then criticize others for their own broken assumptions.
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 09:08 AM
0

If free markets are so great, then what's MGTOW's excuse for withdrawing from the sexual/dating marketplace? Markets are voluntary. Free markets are great indeed. Because free markets include the option to opt out. A free market doesn't mean I have to put my house on sale. it means I can. As much as my house is not for sale, my commitment is not for sale. My decision.
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 09:04 AM
2

The banker stuff is being addressed by Bitcoin. One thing you absolutely want if you do UBI is do put a damper/tax on reproduction. And maybe something like "very soft eugenics", paying people a lump sum for being sterilized. I hate feminism as much as the next guy, but one thing it did was to keep population in the west in check. With the downside of making it weak against takeover from foreign archaic value systems that would mean eventual doom as well. But if you talk about "what to do" - the…
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 09:00 AM
1

I support socialism because I believe someone trying his best to be a good person, contribute to society, and follow it's rules, should be able to have the opportunity to do so. Are you talking about a basic social safety net? What do you mean by contribute to society? Being a net tax payer? What do you mean by 'follow the rules'? Aspire to some variant of a non-agression-principle? Or follow the rules of others? What makes you believe that those rules and their making don't gravely suffer from …
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 08:52 AM
1

You still have the principal agent problem and the problem that the state is basically extracting rent from its ownership of violence. People's nature won't get us to some kind of voluntary anarchocapitalist utopia anytime soon, but I think there's very good reasons to keep the government small. "Minarchism". Because the dynamics seems to be slow eventual doom through growth of that entity: Just look at how corrosive government-sponsored feminism is, for example.
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 08:43 AM
-4

Anyone who wants to invest in Bitcoin should inform himself about Bitcoin Cash as well and why it came to be. And then make a wise choice.
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 10:12 AM
2

None of these can be blamed on female nature. Maybe not, but they can't be blamed on male nature either? And it's because your arguments are a mirror image of their mentality, and you're ignoring every fact and piece of history that doesn't suit your hatred of the opposite sex. Maybe this is more about archetypes rather than "all males" and "all females"? I don't think worshiping masculine warriors above everything else leads us anywhere but doom. But the very same is true for worshiping the fem…
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 09:55 AM
7

So she wants men to dominate women again? I heard that Islam does that.
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 09:34 AM
4

While the men have been killed. But, but but, poor women ...
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 09:34 AM
2

Thankfully, none of my money is being spent on women or dating So you don't pay taxes?
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 09:09 AM
12

This is, like, sooooo annooooying when they do that!
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 07:07 PM
2

Anyone who invests into Bitcoin should know what he's doing. And most importantly, you should learn about the difference between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash and why it came to be. Pick wisely.
/r/MGTOW27/11/17 06:12 PM
57

Fitting answer: "Don't grow up - it's a trap."
/r/MGTOW23/11/17 10:52 AM
9

This sub has gone to rat shit, dickless mother fuckers crying about not being chad or that femmes only care about chad I see no crying. Just a reminder of female nature.
/r/MGTOW22/11/17 07:00 PM
1

Thanks!
/r/MGTOW21/11/17 10:18 PM
1

Welcome. What can I say? I understand. All too well.
/r/MGTOW21/11/17 10:17 PM
1

Related to this, 10% to 20% of religious leaders admit to being secret atheiests or agnostics. There are even support groups for them. Sounds interesting, I am curious. Do you have a link or two?
/r/MGTOW15/11/17 11:57 AM
6

So, we've got a bunch of women on one side telling us that guys are supposed to be the main breadwinner, but then on the other side we've got a bunch of women telling us they don't want men earning more than they do. So which one is it?? Good observation!
/r/MGTOW15/11/17 11:52 AM
1

That sounds like it is still a third world shithole then, if one is honest about the situation? A rural area in a western, even feminist country sounds like a better deal, even though it might be more expensive.
/r/MGTOW28/10/17 06:14 PM
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That doesn't mean it's OK to kill a baby because the women was irresponsible. But is e.g. a week, a month old (or less) embryo really a baby? (Not arguing on the late term stuff) There's many aspects to this, and you know as well as I do that this is an endless, fruitless discussion. Let me just say that even though I find the concept and procedure disgusting, I think it is likely better than many alternatives. Maybe pay-for-sterilization would be an even better option.
/r/MGTOW16/10/17 10:18 PM
12

You likely don't want her to raise any kids either, though.
/r/MGTOW16/10/17 10:02 PM
2

Yes. Be selfish. Had that same drain happen to me.
/r/MGTOW16/10/17 09:54 PM
2

LOL @ the scenery that you described :D
/r/MGTOW16/10/17 09:53 PM
1

See my other reply to her (or him).
/r/MGTOW16/10/17 09:50 PM
1

Quoting /u/bango_lassie from another subreddit: I think you've been far too forgiving when it comes to the certain male subcultures in question. Redpill, pick-up artist communities, MGTOW... these are not places that spread any kind of "good" ideas. They do not represent the opinions of well-adjusted, wholesome men. These people do not deserve to be engaged with in society, period. Fuck off.
/r/MGTOW16/10/17 09:48 PM
5

and watch it BOOM! For some sense of boom.
/r/MGTOW16/10/17 09:32 PM
1

But maybe that is delayed gratification already? I guess you do it partly because you know that nothing good comes out of going with that urge to the next bar to pick up some chick ... ?
/r/MGTOW14/10/17 05:53 PM
1

Yup.
/r/MGTOW14/10/17 05:51 PM
3

Only in the longer term, though. Needs a sense of delayed gratification.
/r/MGTOW14/10/17 12:56 PM
4

Got circumcised for medical reasons at age of 4 and remember waking up and feeling really, really sore down there. Upon later introspection at the age of 12..15 or so, and completely independent of MGTOW or the Men's rights movement, I found something deeply brutal and wrong about this procedure. Now, I don't blame my parents to go with what was then "medical state of the art" of the time - but I still think the fascination some of the people in the medical field had with that procedure and whic…
/r/MGTOW14/10/17 12:52 PM
2

It's no wonder that people are richer and unhappier than ever. We've got widescreen HDTVs for $400, but at what cost? Good points. It is not a one-way street however: Note that it is easier than ever to work remotely on things like software projects now! (And I also like to say that I do value the good things about our technological civilization a lot) This shifts the dynamic into the other direction a little bit. I feel there's something lacking on both ends of the spectrum: On the one end the …
/r/MGTOW14/10/17 12:30 PM
11

Stares? The most ironic thing is that the eyes on this huge billboard are staring right at you. Where can I complain?
/r/MGTOW14/10/17 09:01 AM
1

Well said.
/r/MGTOW12/10/17 05:52 AM
2

Hmm, but that is IMO a good place to be, eventually. I think I had a phase where I felt the same (as in: that emotional something must be missing feeling), but now I just enjoy it.
/r/MGTOW07/10/17 09:54 AM
1

I do have those friends, why? Some of my friends I only see every couple months or even less often, though.
/r/MGTOW07/10/17 09:52 AM
1

Agreed - but there's also the angle that society (meaning: all others) should optimally not pay for the choices of the irresponsible mother, either. And one should definitely not encourage this behavior. So what can you do? I think handing out decent sums of money to women for permanent sterilization is probably the approach with the lowest long-term cost to society.
/r/MGTOW07/10/17 09:50 AM
1

Everyone was saying stuff like "oh you just need to get out of your shell" and other bullshit and i tried doing that, going to some parties and other things, forcing myself to interact with others. Have you ever noted that this talk about "getting out of your shell" is very likely with some kind of goal attached, very likely the goal of "get some pussy"? So I think this is also why I a) felt this way and b) by 'dropping the pussy requirement', the chain of reasoning falls apart up to the point w…
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 07:45 PM
1

So you don't believe humans are social animals? I think it is the overemphasis on the social aspect, also the more animalistic parts of the social aspect (you gotta be directly around other people) is what gets or got on my nerves.
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 07:36 PM
1

Ah, I see. Well, I guess for me that doesn't really happen because at some point I feel like "Ok, I like to meet some people again.". But that still means months at a time of good solitude for me.
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 07:32 PM
1

At some point in the deprogramming, my inner landscape went from "sex is the goal" to "a good life is the goal". At that point, I also noticed that any feeling of "urgency of sex" disappeared and it is rather just a feeling like hunger now. I see my sex drive now as some kind of regularly occuring tension in my body and mind that I get rid of by rubbing one out. And the rest of the day, I have better stuff to do than to ponder about that annoying tension. I also think the darker nature of sex is…
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 10:47 AM
1

It's freeing and scary. Why scary?
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 10:28 AM
2

Harsh outcomes?
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 10:20 AM
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I do want to interact with people from time to time. But unfortunately, people have this tendency to pull you in and interact with them more that you want to - and also try to get something out of you, more than just that mutual, friendly, human interaction. They start to consider you as a resource. Females primarily, but also males. The mark of a good "leader" in todays world is measured by how much he's able to manipulate others into providing their surplus mental capacities for him. With resu…
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 10:15 AM
7

Stress levels? LOL Dont even get me started there. If your still stuck at a slave job your stress level is not going to magically disappear. Of course not, but if you don't chase pussy or the plan to 'start a family' then a lot of your inner perception on what you need to be happy reduces by a lot. Better social status with more money and a higher position doing bullshit in some company hierachy? LOL, what for? Expensive items (car etc.) to lure gold digger in? LOL, what for? Need to expand soci…
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 09:44 AM
17

Indeed. Happyness / contention is a blinking neon sign that says "Resources available here".
/r/MGTOW03/10/17 09:00 AM
13

Lot of them have big noses. That's odd. In 1984, the government is very nosy.
/r/MGTOW03/10/17 08:50 AM
4

Interesting, do you have a link?
/r/MGTOW03/10/17 08:49 AM
3

Yep, something like that ... and likely even a hundred k is a bargain: Right now, the mom will be in some public housing, the kid is going to get something, ... And I like it because it avoids a lot of suffering on all sides.
/r/MGTOW01/10/17 10:43 AM
1

It would be best if that "bastard spawn" wouldn't have to suffer having been born into the world by a careless mother, however! A good model is IMO a large financial reward (couple tens or hundreds of thousand dollars or so) for females getting permanently sterilized. As we all know, cash is one heck of a drug for women. I also think that would be good use of tax dollars. That said I think negative eugenics like that pay-for-sterilization is all you need and am not a fan of positive eugenics.
/r/MGTOW01/10/17 10:01 AM
8

I think one can have a positive outlook but still be some kind of "lower case antinatalist": I think we'd all have a much better life on this planet, including sufficient materialistic pleasure, but also sufficient space around us and healthy ecology, if we would be fewer. With that kind of attitude, I don't want children. Does that make sense? I also think it would be great if society could evolve towards (though I am not holding my breath ...) making having children a privilege to be earned, a…
/r/MGTOW01/10/17 09:51 AM
3

Yes! Also: The closely related propaganda campaign that is sexual determinism. (The propaganda that "Sex drive comes before reason") Works especially against young, horny males - because it is definitely harder for reason to assert itself against sex if you are young. You feel that it is hard - so you believe it must be 'sex before reason'. I also think this is in part the reason of the SJW craziness - if you put 'sex before reason', you are a gay inter-trans-attack helicopter first - and simply…
/r/MGTOW25/09/17 07:10 PM
1

Yeah... I guess closely watching the situation - and then trying the to save one's ass when SHTF - is the best one can do.
/r/MGTOW18/09/17 07:07 PM
2

Sure about that? Quite likely, the NSA knows your exact habits ... Oh and: I am ok with conservatives as long as they leave me alone. I am not ok with collectivist guys who round people up and gas them.
/r/MGTOW18/09/17 07:05 PM
1

There really is a subreddit for everything...
/r/MGTOW13/09/17 06:23 PM
1

Some sure do. #killallmen and what else there is (pretty stupid to hate guys as a gay guy that he apparently is ...). I am aware of that. I despise both kind of collectivism: That of him and his SJW assholes as well as the neofascist dickheads.
/r/MGTOW13/09/17 06:19 PM
5

If your kind of right-wing collectivism is getting strong, that's a sure sign to leave the country, fast. Oh and, when they knock on your door because of your odd porn interests, feel good about it - you die for that livable society.
/r/MGTOW13/09/17 03:51 PM
9

Asylums? Man, we need extermination camps for this kind of people. Sure, because rounding people up and putting them into extermination camps creates such a livable society... /s
/r/MGTOW13/09/17 03:43 PM
5

What are you 12? Says the guy who's still ruled by his dick and not his brain.
/r/MGTOW12/09/17 07:56 PM
4

Deep down inside you know you're a pathetic loser that can't get a woman to touch you. Women touches you, then what? You turn back into a frog? ROTFL.
/r/MGTOW12/09/17 07:50 PM
3

If it gets western men to have some children and stop Muslims from breeding us into oblivion, I'm all for it. Until we can make artificial breeding machines, we'll have to play along with their games to survive. Given the force multiplier of technology, number of people doesn't necessarily translate into might in today's world.
/r/MGTOW11/09/17 09:21 PM
3

Feminists / feminist men believe that women are so special that they should be protected and cared for by men, and that they shouldn't have to fend for themselves in this world like men do. That just for being born she deserves men to labor for her, and enjoy all the benefits of society with none of the work. Gynocentrism or gynocentrism. Your choice!
/r/MGTOW11/09/17 09:13 PM
3

Interesting bit. On one hand she says: You’re never safe. Fortune’s wheel is never still. There is no job security. You cannot finally land the sugar daddy and think your work is done. and on the other: I have spent more time eating frozen dinners purchased hurriedly from Trader Joe’s than I have eating in fine restaurants. If I ever become "rich", I'll still cook my own meals, likely with good but affordable ingredients from TJs and the like. But I'll have the freedom to say fuck you to anyone.…
/r/MGTOW04/09/17 02:30 PM
1

Ooook, fair point, maybe there's someone with faith + kinky sex. I guess that might be possible. But given the data - would you think that is... the likely explanation here?
/r/MGTOW02/09/17 07:53 PM
5

I think you see incel whining where there is none. "Faith, Family and Friends" seems to be written there exactly to lock down an unsuspecting provider - or do you have a better explanation? And that's what people find annoying/typical/bitchy/whatever here - not the kink sex stuff.
/r/MGTOW02/09/17 06:45 PM
18

/u/Zombocom1911's new dating manual: "From Simp to Pimp in three easy steps"
/r/MGTOW02/09/17 06:35 PM
6

More like volcel (and thus a variant of MGTOW).
/r/MGTOW19/07/17 08:53 AM
5

I would just like to avoid such a situation, as I'd be bored, threatened (accusations) and annoyed by their presence, all at once.
/r/MGTOW23/06/17 12:25 AM
1

Tribalism is quite strong in this sub. Honestly, to an extend I can even understand it and where folks are coming from. Especially if the only apparent alternative is to submit to gynocentric brain-washing bullshit society that will more often than not guilt trip you into submitting to the tribalism of others. But your approach is certainly the high road, and I think this is what I personally try to follow as well. Finally: I like open space, green fields, solitude, my neighbor miles away and no…
/r/MGTOW21/06/17 11:23 PM
1

Is it over your head that maybe, just maybe, both sides are implicated in this? (And likely even more factions ...?)
/r/MGTOW21/06/17 11:09 PM
0

A lot of the trouble, a lot of the refugee crises are caused by American interventions likely related to resource (oil) interests in the middle east. Just saying.
/r/MGTOW21/06/17 11:04 PM
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Very wise words indeed. The constant noise all around that tells people to define themselves by their sexual interests and to put sex above everything else is the true degeneracy. Yes, face it, we're animals (and as far as I can see many of us are into some kind of weird stuff), but we simply shouldn't put our low animal instincts on the highest pedestal. Or any pedestal. IMO, that goes for all the gay, kink, whatever stuff. Do whatever, keep it private and yourself and others safe - and avoid a…
/r/MGTOW13/06/17 10:33 AM
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It appears almost as if intelligence is negatively correlated with reproduction.
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 07:01 PM
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Good points. Well I have lived for years far-away abroad on my own (though in a city) and I've lived pretty much as a loner in the countryside for months at a time. So I tested this somewhat. However, I feel like every month or every other month or so, I'm in the mood for meeting people. The limits of my introversion :) So you're right, the absolute hermit lifestyle likely isn't it for me, but an approximate one is. My plan is exactly to travel (RV) and work remotely to support myself. Spot on r…
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 07:00 PM
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Agreed. I feel like I want to live alone and in the countryside (I have tried that for a while - it suits me very well in terms of lowering stress, happiness, and finding purpose) and I don't really pretend to care any longer about the hollow social interaction bullshit either. The show-offs and all around bullshit became so ridiculous in my age bracket ("Ohh, they got married!" "Did you hear that Joe and Jane got their first kid?" "He scored that job and now they live in that big mansion in (hi…
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 09:21 AM
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Fair points, agreed. It took me a long while to learn, though. Well, maybe actually not that much. I think I just unlearned the wise stuff I figured out when I was young, through a combination of hormones (horniness) and all-around brainwashing. I remember that I said 'But isn't feminism exactly like a textbook cult?' and also 'Why is everyone pandering to women but doesn't see that this the case?' (didn't know the word gynocentrism back then) when I was a kid - back in the 90s. Everyone around …
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 09:06 AM
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The entire culture is built around the family unit. If you are a man past 30 and not married with kids everyone will assume the worst about you and you will not fit in very well because everything is focused around family stuff. But isn't that the same whether you are in the city or out in the woods? Folks assume the worst about men in general, and of course especially so unmarried ones above 30. And in a city, one is constantly surrounded by people with that assumption - and even though one mig…
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 08:56 AM
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Proxy violence boils my blood Indeed. I think it is one of the hallmarks of lack of civility/civilization. And war is some sense a variant of it.
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 09:32 PM
1

Have you seen "Gone Girl"? You should.
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 09:25 PM
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When you fail you second guess yourself and your choices. You may even procrastinate as a consequence. This is the danger zone. Particularly if you're already thinking life is without purpose. This is the aimless state. I feel like I have extracted myself multiple times out of that, but everytime, it hurt a lot. MGTOW helps to stabilize here, a lot, obviously. But do you think there's more to avoid than avoiding the fairy tales? And having a global perspective, unfortunately, the fairly tales ar…
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 09:17 PM
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Sometimes I feel like I am having the mindset of myself as a 12 year old again. And I was quite the outcast back then. So I can totally understand what you wrote. Now I learned the various games you gotta play to 'belong' - but my drive to belong (and to score pussy...) became quite a bit lower. The internet indeed allows us to compare notes. My personal solution is to cut down on social bullshit and just have open talk with those that truly understand my perspective. Some do.
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 09:05 PM
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Indeed. This is a two-pronged approach: a) Lots of shaming and making sure that as a man, you hate yourself if you give any fucks regarding the gynocentric societal ideals. "Oh no, I am a patriarchy shitlord!1!" b) Sugary, fake-smile, fake-understanding 'counseling' for men to 'open up' about all the problems that they have - to of course find a feminist solution to that, which means even more self-hate for the men (if he swallows it). Fucking evil. I don't know about the linked site and have no…
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 12:56 PM
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Well when you put it that way it makes sense, but it's not that coherent. What's missing for you? He can stay right where he is and be bitter forever (from what I've read and heard) He can (as in choice). But note that even being a true misogynist doesn't equal being bitter. I don't hear anyone talking about moving on here. Really? I have seen a lot of that, actually. It is part of the whole vibe around here.
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 12:45 PM
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To add to that: I think this is also, in part, an "anonymous alcoholics" meeting for dealing with pussy addiction. Of course women are going to be talked about here. Some say 'fucking booze', others say 'fucking cunts'. Getting worked up about booze might not be the best state of mind to be in - but I can understand as well why addicts do it. Choosing the right track afterwards is likely what's important IMO.
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 10:10 AM
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MGTOW is a retreat from pair bonding. If more than a tiny minority of men do it, there will be a lot fewer pair bonded couples out there - especially as young men wise up and never go through the grinder even once. However, you wouldn't call the current 'dating and marriage scene' pair bonding, or would you? And that is my point: MGTOW refuses to engage in a reproduction scheme which ends in single moms or at most 'shared parenting'. And not in pair bonding a.k.a. 'nuclear family'. At the same t…
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 03:45 PM
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While talking about shame: "Do you have a fear of intimacy?" ROTFL. She unpacks the shaming language while talking about shame. Thanks for sharing this.
/r/MGTOW09/05/17 11:14 AM
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Interesting, thanks for the insights!
/r/MGTOW09/05/17 08:40 AM
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I of course welcome people studying history. I think what's left unsaid in the above quote I made is that the slacker lets himself get paid by others - which is rather the typical blue-haired feminist. But maybe that's me seeing something that isn't there.
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 02:13 PM
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Indeed - and they are 'just' games. Sometimes important ones. But I think a problem is that these games are taken by many to be 'the real thing'. I think this is also how a lot of brainwashing happens.
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 02:12 PM
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A real man does whatever the fuck he wants. Agreed. Adoption is not for me (and neither are biological kids), but whoever wants to do it responsibly: Thumbs up!
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 02:10 PM
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Found the projection: The price of being a little bit of a slacker is not very high in the United States, though the rewards for success can be staggering. Life is pretty comfortable, and you can take six years to finish your bachelor's degree in art history while working at Starbucks, and it isn't miserable.
/r/MGTOW07/05/17 11:22 PM
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but perhaps some of these white knights who will never learn nor respect themselves are better off not procreating. But "not procreating" isn't the same as "being driven to suicide".
/r/MGTOW07/05/17 10:48 PM
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gender fluid
/r/MGTOW07/05/17 10:44 PM
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Waiting for the feminist explanation: Because they are all survivors that can only get off on reliving their horrible experiences. Rape figures therefore must be even higher than we thought! (Or other, similar BS)
/r/MGTOW07/05/17 10:43 PM
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I see, thanks for the insights. I guess everyone has their own language world and religion. And all are just colored approximations of truth (or whatever else the writer/speaker attempted). "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance' is a good book on this aspect IMO.
/r/MGTOW07/05/17 10:38 PM
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Though hearsay is that there's a lot of 'gender fluid' that you want to avoid in female restrooms ...
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 10:36 PM
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/u/ThalesToAristotle: If you ever become suicidal because of your brainwashing: Remember to check out MGTOW and maybe give the ideas here some thought before falling off the deep end ...
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 10:13 PM
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Indeed. Or Tesla. Or likely millions of others. As I wrote: I think just being content and neither helping nor hurting others is a net-positive for humanity.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 10:08 PM
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Yeah. It is like the Borg. They assimilate and destroy everything, just by their existence.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 09:57 PM
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Is it just me, or is (countryside) Sweden still likely to be a safer place to be rather than central Europe when TSHTF?
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 09:54 PM
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The thing is though i think a lot of mgtow guys won't get to this point until they get to around my age too. The sex drive is too crazy high for young guys which unfortunately won't bring them to an mgtow state of mind until a lot later in life. Speaking from experience Agreed. The culture makes it worse, however. And less likely to break free. I am in my mid thirties. I am glad I am MGTOW now. I remember I had pretty much MGTOW thoughts (including a lot of thoughts on how fucking shallow almost…
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 09:49 PM
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Agreed. However, I think this space is also under a lot of attack already from the tradcucks and white pride racists etc.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 09:42 PM
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And I think it wasn't always like that. Even a year ago, I think that space was fine. So beware of the women (like the one from today) coming here.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 09:40 PM
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It seems like these psychologists are more messed up than we are and they create more mental problems in their patients. The whole profession seems to particularly badly gynocentric. Paul Elam wrote and/or spoke about this. I also have personal experience on this. It is particularly eerie, I think: Because psychologists in today's world play the role of the 'wise old village men' or, alternatively, 'priests'. And what happened? Feminism and their bullshit is quite closely linked to the psycholog…
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 09:37 PM
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But he doesn't tell the story like this - because he's convinced that if you don't take on the "burdens of the world" onto yourself, that you'll be resentful and then be evil. And that taking any evil action moves the world one step closer to nuclear annihilation and that's morally prohibited in his particular brand of Darwinian Pragmatism. (Any thing that moves the world closer to total human extinction is wrong for a living human.) Interesting. If that is the case (I don't know him or his phil…
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 09:29 PM
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This thread is an interesting read. Thanks.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 05:50 PM
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It's somewhat relevant, isn't it? How so? What a lame attempt at flipping the script. I want to learn about MGTOW, but the M doesn't apply. Rather than lead you on in some weird deception, I got that part out of the way immediately. See you could have gone the simple way of 'I am a journalist interested in this'. Without even stating anything about yourself. Not your race/sex/gender/IQ/whatever. With the goal of finding out something about us that would have brought you the best data.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:34 PM
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Ok, I see! :)
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:27 PM
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To get laid I need a flat surface, nothing else :D
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:25 PM
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How about you keep the "negative bias" and GTFO. We don't want to have anything to do with women here - and if you are interested in interacting with men here about hobbies or the good life - then there would still be absolutely no point to bring up that you are a female.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:24 PM
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What is the goal of saying that you are a female here?
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:22 PM
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IOW, /u/Feyra is trying to put herself on a pedestal here. LOL.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:20 PM
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MGTOW is bad for society, which depends on pair-bonded couples. Western society, anyway, maybe it's different for Kalahari Bushmen or for headhunters in Papua-New Guinea. I don't see how MGTOW in any way threatens pair-bonding of couples. If anything, it will make it more likely, as it will shift the balance of the sexual market place away from the women, making men more important again. Which I personally do not care about anymore, only insofar as I think your above argument is bogus.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 12:47 PM
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Well said. So this rejection - this undesirability is "proof that they need to change." How so? Grow another 6 inches? Get plastic surgery if you have a homely face? Become intelligent and high status if you are naturally dim-witted? And you don't even have to "fail" on any of this to still be fundamentally undesirable (except for the wallet aspect) to women. Simply be "too" nice - still respect women as (though highly flawed) expression of consciousness and - and you'll never truly "score". I t…
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 12:29 PM
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I am curious about the details, though. Maybe OP meant this as a joke, but honestly this is believable enough nowadays :/
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 08:47 AM
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What's the offense she accuses you of?
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 08:33 AM
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Which brings up the question whether women tend to have a 'rape fetish' (as some submissions here e.g. yesterday suggested) or rather a desire to control men by all means. In any case, there's something deeply destructive in the female instinct. And I think not only on the societal level, it is on the personal level as well. A true abyss. As a MGTOW, I definitely want to stay clear of that.
/r/MGTOW05/05/17 10:01 PM
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False women have always been this way. Yeah, but they didn't have the free time and resources available to let their harpy side out as much before. And note that their endless complaints and BS are known since antiquity.
/r/MGTOW05/05/17 09:47 AM
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What I am wondering about - and maybe as a Jew you have info/connections/anecdotes/data on that - is a good nice display of gynocentrism and how it works in Israel as the one Jewish state there is. Because I am quite sure that there's going to be BS with women, their entitlement and pandering to them in Israel as well.. Do you have anything? This could be helpful in getting some people off their 'no, there is no gynocentrism it must be xyz' male hamster wheel.
/r/MGTOW05/05/17 09:45 AM
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Ah, I see. I was thinking much farther, so you're just moving within Europe (the continent).
/r/MGTOW05/05/17 09:38 AM
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True...
/r/MGTOW04/05/17 09:15 PM
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That's why there is all the emphasis on sex and 'love', and putting it up so high, artificially blowing the value of that up so much, that you just think, "I really need to run harder to get that carrot". Not that one isn't horny as a young man. But I do think it gets reinforced and made a lot worse through 'culture' currently. And I am not saying society should become prude, or puritan. I am all for a socially liberal society. Live and let live. I simply think there's too much 'sex sex sex, lov…
/r/MGTOW04/05/17 09:08 PM
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great climate(rain) Hehe. You're not there yet, are you? You'll hate it in the winter. Rainy, snowy, and it mixes into something awful around 0°C that you want to avoid like the heck. Speaking from experience. From what part of the planet are you?
/r/MGTOW04/05/17 09:04 PM
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"Nerd" here as well: I can simply live my life, save my money and enjoy my nerdy interests, like video games and time with my friends and family. I start to think those things (hobbies, friends and actual, interesting activities instead of girlfriends and boring bullshit) are a lot more more valuable than sex. Needs a certain perspective. I feel I had that perspective with the age of 12, and I am coming back to that.
/r/MGTOW04/05/17 09:02 PM
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I think this is her most prominent video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA
/r/MGTOW04/05/17 09:08 AM
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Funny how that works. I am dreaming of at some day having enough money so that I have enough time so that I can primarily do stuff that interests me. I have no shortage of ideas to keep me occupied. So given that you say you are 'rich', maybe some kind of venture capitalism (if you have larger sums to spare) or financing projects (either for potential profit or altruism, however you like it) might be something?
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 10:18 PM
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Sure, that's also how I understood you. No worries. Pondering about this, there's these cases of poison murders by women, so given the nature of things, it is likely good to be still somewhat careful, even in a (purely hypothetical) sane legal environment :D
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 10:12 PM
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Even a warm shower or, like here, posting on the net. Just think about all the infrastructure that had to be built to support that.
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 10:00 PM
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Which is still very real right now, however.
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 09:55 PM
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You don't wanna bet on that, however. (see end of page)
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 09:50 PM
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I think those females do fracking :D Also brings a new saying to 'I like my men hard as rock' :D (... only to then grind them down)
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 09:46 PM
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Ah, I see, thanks. Not too well-versed in that trivia. English is also not my first language. In any case: Feminism is a bad idea, all of it and I can only hope you'll see the light sooner rather than later. Out of curiosity, are you familiar with Karen Straughan? She's good at breaking the ice regarding 'the red pill', and she's a quite reasonable woman.
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 09:42 PM
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Ah, thanks. Well, it is Germany's 2nd biggest city at ~2M people, so likely lots of interesting activities & stuff if you are into that. Have fun in Germany!
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 09:39 PM
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Purely out of curiosity, can you be more specific?
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 05:59 PM
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Throw me the idol?
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 04:22 PM
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Just be thankful you got out before her resource drilling operation began. ROTFL. Awesome :D
/r/MGTOW03/05/17 04:11 PM
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they will no doubt condone that he experiment with homosexuality. I've seen them do this before. Seems to be a pattern of the female in general. Ever tried telling a woman 'meh, I am not interesting in dating'? The 'perhaps you are gay?' 'yeah you are surely gay, you should try out men!' card is quickly pulled out by the female then. Seems to be a bad case of projection: Because they cannot fucking fathom that maybe there's something else in life than sex. And I say this without having anything …
/r/MGTOW01/05/17 07:30 PM
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Maybe a shout-out helps? /u/MeesaClumsie, you are at danger at being ground to death by feminism, though you'll likely ignore it. Get out of there!
/r/MGTOW01/05/17 07:23 PM
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Yup. I can't help myself but feel somewhat sorry for that guy. Though I have been certainly blue pill, but never that far to call myself a feminist.
/r/MGTOW01/05/17 07:21 PM
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I don't think it's because he's a feminist, I suspected its something else going on with him. That 'something else' could simply be that he's in the 80% bracket of all us non-Chads.
/r/MGTOW01/05/17 07:11 PM
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these very memories are un-feminist and I need to delete them from my mind somehow. WTF. Next-generation brainwashing: The subject submits him-/herself willingly ...
/r/MGTOW01/05/17 07:08 PM
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Or how about just saying that women behave badly. Absolutely agreed. But the biological gynocentrism runs so deep that even many so-called MGTOW rather: concentrate on saying how much a pathetic beta a male is for falling for a woman's manipulation (yes, he might also be pathetic - but it needs two to tango!) blame men in general for the state of women blame Jews, the Illuminati, whatever It is always the (or some) men's fault. Never the women's. It really is an interesting, or rather eerie patt…
/r/MGTOW01/05/17 06:56 PM
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Humans in ape mode.
/r/MGTOW30/04/17 08:32 AM
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See also this picture by Barbarossaa.
/r/MGTOW29/04/17 02:11 PM
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To add to that, I believe the truly hedonistic fuck-ya-all-let-the-world-burn MGTOW' that cares, in a materialistic sense, just about himself and lets the world burn is very rare. And if, I think that kind of 100% hedonist character is rather to be found in the TRP. I think rising above pussy above everything goes along with rising above pure materialism. Among other things because a lot of materialism for a man is acquiring status symbols: From the small items to 'fit in' to the big items (car,…
/r/MGTOW29/04/17 01:06 PM
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Some of us also respect women in the sense that we treat them as 'equals'. In the sense of them having to earn their own living with their own work.
/r/MGTOW29/04/17 12:30 PM
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Maybe - but then I guess if you are into such a fetish, you should at some point ask yourself whether the line from fetish to self-harm is crossed. And I think this might well be the case here... But then also and in other news, the whole tradcuck thing of 'serve your wife and children' is in some sense a (weaker) 'findom fetish' as well... That's the essence of MGTOW for me: Be however you want (including weird and with fetishes), but maybe don't put sex above everything. Because the latter wil…
/r/MGTOW28/04/17 11:25 AM
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GTFO.
/r/MGTOW27/04/17 06:44 PM
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Oral sex being allowed in your private bedroom (for example) pretty surely didn't degrade society to its very core. That was illegal in former times in some jurisdictions. But hypergamous women plus all their privileges to fuck men over plus all the lies and brainwashing around it surely did.
/r/MGTOW24/04/17 06:18 PM
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There's this idea that human sexuality should be free to express itself in any way. It's none of anybody's business...yada, yada, yada. But unchecked, it rapidly degrades a society to its very core. Don't mix mate selection and sexuality.
/r/MGTOW24/04/17 04:49 PM
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Fully agreed. It is relaxing. To add also: I don't feel like a pushover or loser at all - I actually feel more in charge of myself since I am not a 'blue piller' anymore. But being in charge of myself doesn't mean I need or want to fuck people over. Quite the contrary: I think the quest for pussy is what causes most evil in the world. The funny thing is that others will call us losers :D
/r/MGTOW24/04/17 03:11 PM
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The realistic worst case scenario is that you live with an annoying wife for a few years I don't think enduring a few years of harpy is better than just resisting the shaming of one's parents. I don't want to speak for OP, but I don't think that's a wise approach. while she pops out a few children, then you bail. So then these children will suffer under a single mom. Make kids just so that you can avoid shaming by the parents?!
/r/MGTOW23/04/17 10:13 AM
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I can sit alone over looking a mountain valley and be brought to tears by pondering the Universe. I've not met a woman similar. Same here. Cry even. The feeling of my blue pill days where I wanted to share these moments with a 'special someone' have been replaced: Now I can sit alone on the mountain top, and no one else around in the next couple miles. But I have an inner feeling now, a very warm one, that I share this sense of deep awe and kind of emotional understanding with other sentient bei…
/r/MGTOW23/04/17 09:54 AM
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i am sure that 1% of women might be good...those so called "nice-girls"may be like diamonds...so keep an eye out...just in case you encounter one... I respectfully 100% disagree. This is the shit that will you drag right back to the blue-pill plantation.
/r/MGTOW23/04/17 09:38 AM
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But if others do or try to tell you what to do, isn't repress most accurate? There's a difference between 'hey, you might wanna try no-fap' and 'who faps is a pu55y f4gg0t l0sa!'.
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 06:59 PM
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But why not let them be? Some have a higher, some a lower sex drive, and some want to try no-fap and some want to try escorts, and others a fleshlight. All fine by me. I can just skip those posts when I am not interested.
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 06:45 PM
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Have a better one?
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 06:39 PM
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I can even see that there might be value in all kinds of things, and I can imagine there is value in moderation regarding porn and so forth (my drive is low enough now that I don't feel like I need to moderate). But if you wanna reach people in this regard, you don't go and attempt this idiotic shame-ridden preaching. That's just exactly like the feminists - and if done in the way as it can be witnessed in some of the other posts here, it is likely also with ulterior motive (get more resources f…
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 06:37 PM
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I'm not a part of your group, pal. Don't include me. Well then, go on to new adventures in the digital realm! :)
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 06:31 PM
1

I just got a ssd disk and I've been thinking whether I need to buy some additional part to mount it or will my tower have such part. I'm a total computer newb. SSDs come in the same form factors (2.5", 3.5") as normal HDDs. If you needed a mounting bracket for a same-sized HDD, it will also work for an SSD. Electrically, almost all consumer HDDs/SSDs are SATA since a while and you likely have everything you need.
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 06:27 PM
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Indeed. Now where do all these fucking tradcuck preachers around here now come from? Note: I see value in living on small budget and all that. But don't fucking tell me what to do. But all shaming and so forth that want me to behave a certain way 'now that I am a monk so I should behave like one' will be answered with a fuck you.
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 06:06 PM
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When will men for once learn self-control and shun hedonism? Will folks like you ever learn to not try and control and shame others? Note: I can see the value of asceticism, I can see the value of minimalism. But that stupid preaching is exactly what we've walked away from.
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 06:03 PM
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And of course I'm not going to accept your answer immediately. I've lived my whole life seeing women as equal, so to cut off a discussion because you think I "can't handle" your answer is ridiculous. What is equal for you? Equal before the law? Equal in talent? I'm not going to change my views overnight. That takes time to let different points stew around in my head. That's why I'm asking these questions here. That's fine. Welcome here. Many see just a fine line between asking questions and tryi…
/r/MGTOW07/04/17 09:02 AM
2

Reading this, an imagination of the high-pitched, fake-personality-revealing tone of the females saying something like this in RL comes to mind immediately: 'OMG, yes, this is lilke totally more organised on the right side. Men are like, sooo stooopid!1!' Ewww.
/r/MGTOW07/04/17 08:53 AM
1

Just because you trade with someone doesn't mean you need to have the same beliefs as someone. You don't need to be part of the same society or be part of the same religion to enjoy the economic benefits from trade. When you trade with someone in another country you AREN'T part of their society and you are probably not a part of their culture. Even when you interact with someone next door - there are plenty of differences between you and your neighbor. But in order for that to work - you need fe…
/r/MGTOW05/04/17 09:50 AM
1

Thank you for this wonderful post. To add: I don't know who said it, it was in a comment here a couple days ago, but to paraphrase: "Stoicism, buddhism and so forth preach in different forms to let go of your ego. Ironically, it is that letting go of the ego and love of others that will then dig you even deeper into the 'carry societies burden's' trap". Quite something to ponder about IMO. The good old Christian' adage of "love yourself as much as your neighbor" grasps this well, IMO: Because it…
/r/MGTOW05/04/17 09:35 AM
1

To me it looks like Peterson is worried that the MGTOW way will be extremely popular as it lets men out of all social bonds. In such a situation, when men in the western world withdraw, it is open to invasion from other less tolerant places. To me his fears are quite well founded. My defense though would be simple. I don't really care much about what will happen to civilisation 100-200 years from now. I am not sure whether that follows, either. See for example that now women, chameleons that the…
/r/MGTOW05/04/17 09:22 AM
1

Is this a current picture? If so, I must say it already feels outdated. The new way to play the game is the chameleons 'hating feminists', of course.
/r/MGTOW04/04/17 06:19 PM
1

Well said. (also your other comments in here)
/r/MGTOW02/04/17 09:08 AM
5

Sure. I still think religion - more specifically churches - are good as an atheist/agnostic myself. A lot of people claim to not need god, or the guidance of church, but socially as a whole I think it's a net positive. Not disagreeing in principle here, but I think what's difficult in these discussions is that it all gets boiled down to a singular 'atheism vs. religion'- or 'religion or not'-type of argument. As religion overlaps with wisdom & philosophy, with spirituality, with culture, with ch…
/r/MGTOW01/04/17 04:50 PM
5

TBH, my fantasies are/have-been into all kinds of stuff. Some weird like referenced by the OP, some 'vanilla', whatever. I also think all kinds of weird fantasies are common with humans and those who pretend that they are pure are often the most perverted. I, however, also definitely see the issue somewhere else: I think what is damaging to society and to the individual is to put sexuality above everything else. And I think this sex-hedonistic-view is so prevalent (especially in young males) as …
/r/MGTOW01/04/17 04:32 PM
2

Hmm. I rather live by 'everything in moderation (including moderation)'. Sure, there's value and wisdom in the above. But why the preaching? Why telling me what not to pursue and what not to have and what to do? Gynocentric society did that already. I see strong parallels. Yes, I can see the value of minimalist and ascetic thought and action. Yes I can see the emptiness of pure pleasure-seeking. But I'll weight all the above on my own terms. I also will continue to prefer life in the countryside…
/r/MGTOW20/03/17 08:45 AM
2

Segwit is another update that will bring huge improvement to bitcoin. SegWit is an attempt to change Bitcoin and an attempt to do a power grab. Bitcoin isn't digital gold if a bunch of jokers can change Bitcoin willy-nilly. It looks like it won't happen anyways, so that is good. in the future you won't, see tumblebit which will bring offchain transactions. Tumblebit is welcome because it doesn't change Bitcoin, it just works with what is there.
/r/MGTOW06/03/17 10:03 AM
2

Awesome. That is the life!
/r/MGTOW06/03/17 09:34 AM
3

Having seen the remains of concentration camps with my own eyes and having seen enough other matching relics from the Nazi era I have absolutely no doubt they existed and operated like they did. Holocaust denial is named like that for a reason. I recommend visiting these places and forming an opinion that consists of more than these cheap armchair doubts of 'maybe it didn't happen'. I also understand that it doesn't help against crackpot theories that quite a few Jews who were born after the hol…
/r/MGTOW05/03/17 11:14 PM
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Thanks for this insightful post. Very well said! All of the above are variants of the call to get back to the plantation. Basically: If an individual goes and decides to go the proverbial 'fuck 'em all, gonna live in this mountain hut all by myself'-route, people around him will shame and manipulate him in other ways. And intensely so as an individual. He'll hear: you'll find the right one, I am sure! But are you sure? You'll die alone! You're selfish! LOL. No one likes you, odd guy on the mount…
/r/MGTOW05/03/17 10:18 PM
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It didn't work. Too many minorities are nice, smart and hard working. Too many minorities are honest and good. Too many minorities obviously have love in their hearts. There is some kind of movement to infiltrate MGTOW and lump us in with the ethno nationalists. This is not fair to us. I do not want an ethnic state. I want liberty and freedom for all. I want to go my own way. This! You're absolutely right (no pun). I like to separate culture from skin color and race, though: There's a lot of abo…
/r/MGTOW05/03/17 07:25 PM
4

Cryptocurrency. (Personally I recommend Dash - r/dashpay.) Please note that the r/Bitcoin sub in the sidebar here is actually heavily censored and should not be relied upon. Use r/btc instead. I recommend the MGTOW mods update this too. Cryptocurrency allows you to control your own funds outside the state's power and reach. Yes, can we get the mods to update the sidebar? From all I can see /r/btc are the sane and good ones indeed. However, a neutral stance would probably be to list both subreddi…
/r/MGTOW24/02/17 11:24 PM
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Let me add that I feel that sex is mystified so much by our culture (and pretty much all females!) that you can start believing that you'll somehow gain any deeper understanding through it. 'Tantric', 'magic sexual experience', the whole 'romantic love bullshit', etc ... there's so much bullshit being sold in this area. After you masturbated, you think that you can think very clearly. However, this is not because sex is somehow the secret to the universe, but rather because your need for sex is …
/r/MGTOW22/02/17 10:05 PM
5

Evolution is not necessarily centered on the individual only. The gene as well as the tribe might select for certain features as well. It could well be that nature made it so that females mating with dark triad types will produce quite a few of 'worker bee offspring' that aren't dark triad alphas, thus are not fit for selection, but still will be beneficial to the group for example by providing economic surplus. I think someone cited statistical studies on male genes in this subreddit once sayin…
/r/MGTOW22/02/17 04:54 PM
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MGTOW shaming other MGTOW for language use? I can't even... ((not?) give a fuck) :D
/r/MGTOW06/02/17 08:47 AM
1

I see. Thanks for the info!
/r/MGTOW06/02/17 08:46 AM
1

I think there's the problem of identifying culture, religion and heritage/race all with the same words. I don't really care so much. I see no value in tribalism.
/r/MGTOW05/02/17 05:11 PM
1

I'm curious: Would you say feminism is exported on purpose to your country by 'the west'? Or do you think it is simply biology/gynocentrism doings its thing?
/r/MGTOW05/02/17 05:06 PM
1

There is no such thing as "valid criticism of the Jews" Right. The key word here is 'the', though. There's plenty of Jews to criticize. Soros is an example. Not for their Jewishness, but their bad deeds as one would criticize any other human being. And the same goes for Muslims as well.
/r/MGTOW22/01/17 12:43 AM
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For whatever reason, quite a few Jews are successful. It appears to be that this evokes envy that turns into hate and then the idiotic antisemitism on display in those memes. Yet another part is likely that there is a mainstream element of using these idiotic PC repression tactics (the same that the SJWs perfected) against (sometimes IMO valid) criticism of Jews/Judaism/Isreal/whatever - but given the memes that pop up, they are arguably quite counterproductive with that approach. I have said it…
/r/MGTOW21/01/17 08:39 PM
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He did this to himself. He is the same as those Swedish women inviting refugees, only to get raped. He played with fire, fuck him Ah, the gynocentrism indeed runs deep. He didn't do that. He married, as /u/kasper138 said, and that was certainly a grave mistake. But he didn't do that. His wife did that to him.
/r/MGTOW18/01/17 11:16 AM
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... and yet, we are all connected to (or part of, however you want to see it) the same fabric of the universe. I think part of avoiding feeling lonely is to see that many, many other sentient beings are alone at the same time and can see the same patterns and gather the same general insights as you can. Because those willing to embrace solitude and the depth of thought that accompanies it are always so few and far between - it is ironically harder to not feel lonely especially in a big city IMO.…
/r/MGTOW17/01/17 04:21 PM
2

The desire to live in a remote hut becomes more and more urgent every day.
/r/MGTOW15/01/17 12:26 PM
5

Recently, it seems to be a thing for some guys to switch to 'hard-right' but one thing just stays the same: The always present, pathetic gynocentrism. Women, chameleons that they are, of course have no problem to shape-shift into 'tradcon women'. And at the same time, the alt-righters belittle MGTOW. We are supposedly "pathetic losers". However, it appears to me that most folks switch from the old variant of gynocentrism (feminism) to the new variant (tradcon) without ever seeing the light, at a…
/r/MGTOW02/01/17 10:20 AM
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Historically, 'the right' seemed to be quite o.k. with being drastically authoritarian in all kinds of ways. Therefore, I am somewhat worried about authoritarian force applied to get folks back onto the plantation.
/r/MGTOW02/01/17 10:02 AM
2

I think they are doing an awesome job, but also fighting a never-ending uphill battle. I personally simply do not have the stamina nor patience nor strength to do this. But I do totally support this. I also think that even if they are not successful in the classical sense, they are small pockets of resistance at least, and other men can find them and at least have an easier time seeing what is going on.
/r/MGTOW22/12/16 11:23 AM
1

Well their is noticing irrational things that hold individuals back. But morality and some appreciation of fellow humans does have a place. Yeah, but I think he said sth. along the lines of 'if you create great art and that involves many people getting killed, do it' (don't have the exact quote at hand, but this should be close). He also repeated that he likes 'mankind', even though he has this very dark view of 'Art'. Now, the simpler minds think that this involves fighting battles and striving…
/r/MGTOW21/12/16 02:40 PM
1

And used to justify all sorts of indifference and willful cruelty. In this age even religion is used as as an axe of judgement against others, with this will to power ethos that undergirds the zeitgeist. Not disagreeing. However, there are people who just do something that could well turn the world upon its head and take on - I think - a very grave responsibility, just as Nietzsche said. What comes out of their action isn't necessarily doom, but rather like Goethe's Mephisto said: (I am) Part of…
/r/MGTOW21/12/16 02:19 PM
1

Yeah... it is definitely used to argue that way (e.g. this very submission). Or just the Machiavellian attitude of /r/theredpill. (While funnily succumbing to female power yet again) And I think that also was a very strong criticism back when he wrote down his thoughts. It still appears that he's influential to this day and people draw all kinds of conclusions from his writing. It is looked at by others to mean not so much being a criminal but outdoing yourself and the world by going to the high…
/r/MGTOW21/12/16 02:04 PM
1

Point taken! Nietzsche's idea of becoming completely unrestrained in everything has this self-contradictory element to it. It is still a very interesting angle.
/r/MGTOW21/12/16 01:53 PM
3

What do you mean by 'love'?
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 08:53 PM
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Meanwhile, I think the enlightened path is to just say: Masters, slaves, whatever. Screw you all, just leave me alone. And live somewhere in happy solitude.
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 02:41 PM
2

Kudos for doing the right thing.
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 11:23 AM
2

Most though just get absent minded with contraception. And that is just a gynocentric excuse. I do see a dilemma here, and that is that with what you call the 'libertarian approach', you basically are going to punish the child for the bad mother. I still think you need incentives against these so called 'oopsies'. Maybe there's a way for a more balanced and thoughtful approach that has the good of the child in mind. I don't know and with MGTOW, my level of caring became quite low. You try the MR…
/r/MGTOW13/12/16 11:23 AM
1

Interestingly, I get more of a lonely feeling in a city than in the countryside... I think that's because the intensity of the bullshit, and the increased volume of the Sirens calling ... What works to make me feel less lonely is to see that I am by far not the only guy being alone (not lonely) on this planet. I just know that there are others like me laughing at the insanity of modern relationships, 'love' and all that BS. When being alone, I can of course neither hear nor see the others being …
/r/MGTOW09/12/16 06:46 PM
2

People like you who really can see gynocentrism for what it is are a minority, seemingly even in MGTOW. We're rare, but take solace in the fact that we exist. Expect most of MGTOW to become alt-right neo-tradcons over the next few years. The signs are already there.
/r/MGTOW10/11/16 11:49 AM
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As someone looking into such a living situation in the not-too-distant but also not immediate future, thanks for this long and very insightful post! And your approach resonates a lot with me- use technology where it makes sense, remove yourself from the status game. Be thoughtful, but not extremely minimalist with consumption (unless one wants to). I also consider myself neither particularly a prepper nor a hippie.
/r/MGTOW04/11/16 09:29 PM
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Yet people here complain (rightfully so, IMO) about the white knight mob forming whenever a women makes a false rape accusation. So that part of our nature - that you seem to be missing or want to have reinstated - is quite alive and kicking. Now what? Don't get me wrong - the criminal should stay in jail, where he belongs. (After all, I don't want to be beaten or killed, either) I think this is in essence females and their nature playing us, a purposeful misdirection, in a sense - males turning…
/r/MGTOW24/10/16 11:00 AM
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Arguably, talking about women here is somewhat similar to anonymous alcoholics. So a support group for our DNA-based urges for pussy. So what? Important is that we're dealing with it with our rational mind. And the answers are around as well. Pussy can be rented. And some are celibate and happy. More power to them! Also: The AA part is only a minor part. There's enough damage that females can deal to you in today's society that there's a host of other reasons to talk about them here as well.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 09:53 PM
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ROTFL.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 09:48 PM
3

Indeed. And you both are missing out on the 'did she accuse me of rape today' game. So much risk, so much fun! /s
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 09:48 PM
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Stop talking about them every day. Why are you coming here? We're (apart from analyzing society and other MGTOW topics) dealing with our predisposition to want (or not want) pussy in other ways than mainstream society. PUA, P4P, abstinence, whatever. Switch sides and start fucking dudes, since they're so awesome, and since you don't want pussy anyway. I like dudes - and their company, intellectual arguments etc. But my urge is to fuck women. And I am 100% ok with gays doing their thing. Better y…
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 09:45 PM
1

No worries. I wasn't saying, implying nor thinking that you were :) Rather just stating that those groups are quite diverse in themselves and differing from each other.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 06:31 PM
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Not all MGTOW are libertarians, conservatives (either social or fiscal), or Trump supporters. Indeed. And I don't want to see libertarians lumped together with all of the alt-right either. I have nothing to do with fascist, tradcon authoritarians.
/r/MGTOW10/10/16 04:34 PM
3

Interesting! So it was a psy-op?
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 06:27 PM
1

I am policing the tone?
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 11:14 AM
2

One of the very few women I intellectually respect. How goes the saying? The exception proves the rule.
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 06:51 AM
1

I think /u/Mahemium has a point. What is happening here is a bunch of males coming together (MGTOW) - and you can already see this forum eventually dissolving and men scattering again, due to the centrifugal force of the usual situation: Men turning against each other and stomping on each other to feel/appear/better/more-pussy-worthy/whatever ... I see hating other males mainly just another variant of gynocentrism. Which doesn't mean I don't see the guys in the poly sub as being at least severel…
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 06:47 AM
1

⧠ 1, the best square :)
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 06:29 AM
2

I think in that direction some problem starts when camp B starts shaming camp A as losers, or can't get rid of the notion that access to pussy == worth as a man. Yes, I have seen the other side as well - 'monks' shaming 'pick-up' MGTOWs. I have said earlier that I think there's mainly two ways to go at it: Just exploiting the skewed market (X) - or going all the way by putting other men down (Y). I think being PUA without putting other men down is needed to be accepted by camp A. As someone in A…
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 06:24 AM
1

I see, thanks. It is crazy out there.
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 10:41 AM
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Selling into what? Dollars? Euros? Gold? Bitcoin?
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 10:00 PM
1

Are you serious? You had longer relationships with women where you didn't know that they had kids? Hard to believe ... but then women are crazy ...
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 09:44 PM
1

the way to actually solve the problem is by shaming and using social pressure against single mothers who are responsible, because its unfair to harm the kids welfare to hit the parent. Indeed. Never forget the child in this - will be thrown into this world and will get a bad start no matter what - with that mother and no father. Government money might make the child's life better, but best would be if the pregnancy didn't happen in the first place. I expect any shaming to (unfairly!) hit the chi…
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 09:35 PM
2

Is that so? I thought that /r/mensrights was against MGM quite uniformly? At least this was true a year or two ago?
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 09:23 PM
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Best thing is that I have seen quite a few people getting all riled up - e.g. about someone possessing child pornography (a.k.a. 'hang those fuckers') but at the same time have no problem at all if a random guy cuts part of a baby's dick off for no good reason - because religion. That incoherence really makes you speechless.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 09:21 PM
1

Iv'e been super lucky so far to get away with only a mild legal battle. Are you in the U.S.? Then definitively yes. Though those are dangerous anywhere.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 09:12 PM
1

Yup. I unfortunately stuck my dick in crazy as well - with not exactly the same outcomes, but similar and the reason why I found MGTOW. And the sex is the best. But the net result of a relationship with these psychobitches is far in the negative.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 01:27 PM
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In-fucking-deed! The worst part is that I questioned feminism when I was 14 or so. Some 20+ years ago. I learned about cults in school. I figured that feminism is just a cult - back then, in the 90s. Before I even had my first modem and before the Internet was widespread! Basically, I had a moment of MGTOW at that age. ALL people around me disagreed and said that I got it wrong and that women are to be protected because they have it so bad, that I shouldn't complain and man up, yadda yadda yadda…
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 11:33 AM
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The bottom 80% will be mostly kept in line as always: Appeal to their (/our) egos with shaming (you're not a loser, are you?) and - for those who got a whiff of red pill - the ego carrot of TRP will make sure that they'll/we'll continue fighting each other for pussy, whilst it is firmly kept on the pedestal. Meanwhile, the picture will become more clear in what I believe is (apart from the beta-bucks variant of prostitution) the only real source of gina tingles (and women's dark nature): Pure hy…
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 08:49 AM
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LOL.
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 08:00 PM
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The history page on the website says the group's origin is almost as old as the discovery of fire -- and it suggests the feminism movement may be gasoline. It has very little positive to say about women. I have seen that 'gasoline and fire' comment here. I actually believe I have seen it the first and only time it was made here on /r/mgtow a couple weeks ago. It is really funny how the media latches onto some single line said, takes it out of context and then repeats it in all kinds of different…
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 06:41 PM
2

No, because if there's prostitution available, celibacy is voluntary.
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 03:31 PM
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I think that is fine and there'll be men around here in the proverbial 80% as well as the 20%. It gets bad when it becomes divisive. As for a MGTOW, pussy is not on a pedestal and doesn't matter that much. Don't be the fake alpha stepping on your fellow men. If you have pussy, there's nothing to brag (but of course you can be happy and express that). I don't see the submitter bragging, rather just being content/happy with that situation, but maybe that's just me? Comparing sex to eating (a basic…
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 03:29 PM
1

I do not judge a man on the basis of his success or lack of success with women. And that's the point. Anyone who does that isn't MGTOW - by definition.
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 03:24 PM
2

Indeed. Look at the difference between this and this thread yesterday. It doesn't look like /u/SweetLevendis is putting anyone down who hasn't his genetic luck of a height of 6"+, or anyone who isn't putting pussy on a pedestal TRP style. That's a grown up attitude. (And I personally think that saying 'meh' to the whole deal is another valid attitude as well.) Just when you go and belittle guys for no sex or celibacy (and say that they are incels or other such bullshit) and brag about how alpha …
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 03:23 PM
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i think the issue that lots of TRP men who dont like MGTOW take with that is that it just sounds like an excuse. just something to blame your other inadequecies and failures on, a reason to stop trying. I can see that men make excuses and blame others. For example, not trying to work (unless ill) or, for example saying that they are 'involuntary celibate' - incel doesn't exist, as long as prostitution is available. But MGTOW? How am I blaming anyone? That's exactly the problem right here, saying…
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 11:00 PM
5

it may feel like banging your head against a concrete wall to YOU.. to me, it feels like poking my head into a room full of women that want to suck my dick until its purple. Until a boyfriend from one of the chicks in your harem finds out about your orgy - and said chick decides to say that you raped her. i really feel bad for you guys honestly. i support the MGTOW community because its good in its own right, and far better than many alternatives.. but i truly do feel bad for you guys who never …
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 10:56 PM
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Risk is damage times likelihood. Likelihood is small, damage is huge, though (false accusation, kids & alimony - or bad STD ...). But to each their own.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 10:53 PM
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Have fun continuing to bang your head against the concrete wall ... :D Yes, I 'gave up' on that. Because it isn't much fun to get repeated concussions, can you see that? And any still present cravings for sex can be fulfilled with P4P.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 10:49 PM
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Understandable. I think Stallman is a thinker with many good and some not-so-good ideas. He has foreseen - and articulated his worries in quite some detail - the whole surveillance mess that we're in right now. Of course he's not the only one - and he isn't infallible. But I still think an open society that is worth its salt has people like him around. But maybe not at your local LUG :D
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 03:47 PM
2

Along the same lines: "I have been raped / sexually assaulted / my ex-boyfriend beat me". Ok, to be fair not every girl, but quite common to hear that - interestingly even in what would be otherwise casual conversations at parties etc. Usually with a hint of attention seeking when one looks carefully ... How f'd up is that?
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 03:16 PM
2

Women get fucked. And men eventually get ... fucked as well.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 07:06 PM
1

But if you lack the drive, is that involuntary?
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 10:37 AM
1

Chicks who put out in bars for free are mre likely to have STDs than hookers because sex for hookers is a business. They don't do that for free - just a different market segment, with a lot more fluff and marketing shenanigans involved.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 10:36 AM
1

It is bypassing the pussy cartel and realizing the sexual market as what it is - a market following the dynamics of demand and supply. Pussy is in demand - so it has a price. No reinforcing, just bringing it down to the basics.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 10:34 AM
2

I'd say: He's lost and no one can save him. But deserves? Why does he deserve that?
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 10:30 AM
7

Kind of ironic to see an AI bot here :D
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 09:19 PM
2

Well, the guy in the front hauled in a (future) 150-pounder - at least! .. Or rather, got hauled in.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 09:16 PM
4

Non-native English speaker here. I am curious: Is it really due to PC that STD can also be called STI? I just thought they are two slightly different acronyms for the same thing?
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 09:15 PM
1

Well said. However I think it is still better to be a pussy addict well aware of the inherent dangers of playing with fire rather than someone who just goes straight to the slaughterhouse ... IOW. Some of us still have their vices, and it is certainly better to work with them cautiously. Same way an e-cigarette is likely a better choice when being nicotine addicted than plain old cigarettes.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 08:54 PM
1

Yes, of course. I think I was just supporting /u/benedictFocker's point.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 08:42 PM
1

How about voluntary celibate? Or do you lack the money to see a hooker?
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 08:41 PM
1

Fully agreed. There simply is no true incel, unless prostitution is illegal or prostitutes are extremely likely to have STIs.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 08:40 PM
2

How did monasteries survive for centuries? On the individual level, MGTOW won't increase the likelihood of passing your genes on, yes. But on the population level, a decent amount of MGTOW might increase chances for that population's survival ... For example, MGTOW seem to be those who are the deepest thinkers, thus able to see and avoid dangers earliest ...! With all the future technological stuff in the works, I think that fraction will only become larger.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 08:36 PM
1

Takes some time to get there, though ... :)
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 08:35 PM
3

My divorce was awesome LOL. As in: "You're happy with a boat two times. Once when you buy it - and once when you sell it"?
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 11:32 AM
2

One small problem: You can't kill an idea. Remember the Taliban destroying ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan? (That was before 911 AFAIR). Psychopathic leaders will try to do exactly that. That said: An idea is not called a 'brainchild' for noreason. There is much more than just genetic heritage.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 10:30 AM
3

Less competition for you!
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 08:22 AM
2

Seconded. /u/Klimthourglass , this is excellent and a very important point nowadays: Superiority is always subjective and relative to your values. Society may regard a rich CEO as superior but I am free to focus on basically anything that interests me to anchor my sense of worth be it reading the all the classics body building or playing a Sitar. The schizoid leap to judgments of superiority or inferiority means you have adopted someone else's values and that consequently your mind is colonized.…
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 03:28 PM
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Can confirm 100% from single, anecdotal sample. Only time I visited a therapist was about relationship problems. First answer from therapist, doing the gynocentric trick: "Why do women always have to carry the burden of men's problems??" I instinctively knew that this guy was wrong about that (and stopped seeing him right at that point), but - as it was back in my BP days - not what was wrong. Now I know.
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 03:09 PM
3

Indeed!
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 03:06 PM
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I had earlier 'bouts' of MGTOW in my life, when I grew up (80s, 90s). In these periods, I eventually developed such a calm feeling, like very thick skin, as in 'the usual BS can't hurt me, this is the calm, right way to live'. But each time, I eventually succumbed to both my internal longing for female companionship (gone) and the outside, intense shaming pressure from everywhere. (has a lot less impact on me now and personally hits me less due to a more selective circle of friends) People, espe…
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 03:06 PM
1

Lot of the refugee kids that make it all the way here are penniless after the long trip. So I guess they have to resort to fucking ugly women to make money. And if the genders would be switched, this would be called 'forced prostitution' by everyone ...
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 08:26 AM
2

Indeed. How goes the saying? "Only the Sith deal in absolutes." So if everything is meaningless (nihilism), is meaninglessness itself meaningless as well? I find a 'I don't f'ing know' or '42' a more elaborate stance about existential questions than the bipolar ruminating and thought loops of the young nihilist. Been there, done that! I guess I do that because I value thoughts more by what Robert Pirsig calls this 'metaphysical quality'. To an extend, nihilism is freeing and maybe even enlighten…
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 08:22 AM
4

Indeed, a very good point! Although I have so say I certainly have some kind of inner 'ick factor' towards homosexuality, I also have to some extend a 'fascination factor'. Interestingly the same is true about heterosexual intercourse, with different factors though. In the end I feel I am very much heterosexual on the whole scale. (.. but drifting somewhat towards asexual due to MGTOW...) So ... I think it is totally fine if people say they personally find homosexuality icky. It is a matter of t…
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 10:26 AM
1

Philosophy is a wide field. It seems many equate atheism with materialism, for example. But those two are distinct. Also, I have seen self-described atheists proclaim that everything can be solved through logic. I find that 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' was an excellent book on that topic, and gives a convincing argument that not everything can be grasped in binary logic. That said, preachy religious nuts and the oppressive organized religions that they follow are the worst. But in…
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 07:29 AM
1

Maybe the problem is simply organized religion? It is people uniting behind symbols and leaders and that very quickly gets dangerous and unhealthy to outsiders.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 07:23 AM
1

I wouldn't select my goals depending on whether they increase SMV. I select them depending on my personal satisfaction - and of course some also on $$$. And as $$$ can be directly converted to sex without going through that rigged 'sexual market', I don't see any reason to care about SMV. It is like buying antiques for 100x the price in your local store because you don't know about ebay.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 07:17 AM
5

Is this more like male prostitution or more like 'feminist wants to have children now'?
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 07:03 AM
6

Indeed. The fairy tale pulled out by the tradcons, only to let their variant of gynocentrism in. I remember the early 90s when a conservative party ruled my european country. "Family and values" was mostly what they proclaimed. But if you listened carefully, it was all only "the male is responsible for", "the male has to do this", "the male has to do that", "irresponsible man-children", ... Of course, with with lefties, it is all the same, just putting different clothes onto queen gynocentrism..…
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 06:59 AM
1

Yeah, sure, succumb to and hail the great overlord(s). Because it isn't like they have let millions into certain death before. /s All you express is your slave mentality. Your problem.
/r/MGTOW23/09/16 12:43 PM
8

Yup. I think the 'watering down' is at unbearable levels when the tone police arrives in full force. Like it did over in /r/MensRights. If you have to deal with 'watch your language / tone' when simply stating facts about women and life, you know that this subreddit has gone to shit. I am not saying you won't get such persons from time to time and that people here can't deal with that - but if they start to overwhelm the discussion, that's when I'll leave (I am mostly only lurking here, anyways)…
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 07:51 AM
25

There are these spiders where the female devours the male after coitus. Let's say a male spider has a genetic defect and instead of letting himself be properly devoured, instead runs away in horror from the female spider and goes on to live a happy life. That is, I feel, the essence of MGTOW. Call us defective, broken losers however much you like - and have fun on the plantation. (*Side note: I think a bunch of MGTOW in a society might even be a survival advantage for that society. I don't think…
/r/MGTOW21/09/16 10:49 AM
3

And meanwhile, our culture portraits those creatures as nurturing and caring all the time.
/r/MGTOW21/09/16 10:42 AM
2

You can't really marry a woman; all you can do is marry a little corner of the borg-like cube of woman-think. LOL. Good one :D
/r/MGTOW21/09/16 08:19 AM
4

More a TRP question. Short answer yes but it requires a lot of work. Women inherently are probing for weakness When they find it they pounce on it. Indeed. Fully devalues all long term relationships with them if you see this. I have seen it often enough to see the pattern: Male gets sick, laid off etc. - and then the wife starts to bitch, complain, and directly, knowingly adds further stress to the situation - and eventually leaves the guy. Go on, TRPs, hold frame and please your wife (because t…
/r/MGTOW21/09/16 08:17 AM
2

There could be an inner 'logic' to this. A.k.a.: I will destroy all the meek, so that only the strong Nietzscheian superhumans survive, as I want to be dominated by a superhuman and no feeble human being. C.f. female romance novels ... IOW 'Who takes me serious is meek and needs to be weeded out'. Men's fault as a collective is then to play this game like there is no tomorrow (TRP anyone?) but still eventually losing - because we are all just human beings. And we all lose - to the only superhuma…
/r/MGTOW21/09/16 08:00 AM
2

Yup. It is a mating ritual gone weird, to a large extent. With all the undercurrent of brutality that mean apes bring to the table...
/r/MGTOW20/09/16 07:24 PM
2

20% of men as hunters would get 80% of the kills. Therefore the other 80% of men have no purpose. Evolution is without 'purpose' anyways. However, if you say 'purpose' as in 'continues existence of the species', those 80% males do very much have a purpose. Hunting, gathering, raising children and protecting the women that the alphas impregnated, ... If they would have no purpose, they wouldn't have been born. It is as simple as that. You need to move your POV from an individual-centric one (I am…
/r/MGTOW20/09/16 07:15 PM
2

There's of course truth in that, but IMO there is no value in ascetic extremism. I definitely value my clothes, the roof above my head in the winter, my heating. Also, while owning stuff might not make you happy, using it does. Using it to create does a lot - for me at least. In other words, I value my chisels, screw drivers, soldering iron and so forth. And a lot more than any diamond ring.
/r/MGTOW20/09/16 12:06 PM
5

Yes, exactly. Same here. All the partying, drinking, girls - my peers back then advertised all that as the best thing ever. I got curious, tried it out a bit - but no thanks. Loud, obnoxious parties? -> Rather like a quiet evening alone or quality time with friends/family. Can be loud, can be exciting, but it sure as heck won't be stupor-drunk people screaming petty thoughts at each other over the loud thump-thump-thump of some atrocious 'music'. It is still hard to believe that people find valu…
/r/MGTOW20/09/16 11:36 AM
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I live in that solitude which is painful in youth, but delicious in the years of maturity. - Albert Einstein
/r/MGTOW20/09/16 04:19 AM
1

They can report about this so they don't have to report about Germany's really big problem. (You know which one.) Which one? I see gynocentrism as the biggest, but this is kind of related?
/r/MGTOW20/09/16 04:09 AM
1

Why so?
/r/MGTOW20/09/16 04:08 AM
1

So - did you find your unicorn yet?
/r/MGTOW14/09/16 08:54 PM
6

Yet those same creatures are able to make up the most pernicious and complex constructs of lies in court, when they falsely accuse you of DV, rape or whatever. You gotta need some decent amount of left-brain for that, and I assert that makes women capable moral agents, in principle. You are just excusing women for their evil - plain old gynocentrism.
/r/MGTOW10/07/16 06:08 PM
2

This post made me ponder a bit, even though I don't call myself religious. I actually think you are onto something - organized, large scale anythings (religion or otherwise) seem to get tainted pretty quickly from gynocentrism. Be it from selfish women, or men pandering to women.
/r/MGTOW10/07/16 07:24 AM
4

Despise women as much as you despise men when they're assholes - and you'll find you'll despise many women a lot more than you do right now. Biological gynocentrism seems to keep you from doing that right now. Unless you really start watching yourself and see yourself making repeated excuses for women's behavior for which you'd have sorted a man into the asshole category a long time ago.
/r/MGTOW10/07/16 07:18 AM
1

Well then you need to "Get the hell outta Dodge City" so to speak... you need to move to some region that has a (relatively) low population density, and preferably is an "out of the way" region that does some substantial food production and/or has large natural areas (forests, etc). Yes, working on that. That's no guarantee it'll all pass you by, much less that your life won't be "affected" by it -- not by any means -- but it does at least decrease the likelihood of you getting skewered/zombifie…
/r/MGTOW08/07/16 09:30 PM
2

Indeed. Seeing good in collapse is either some kind of weird male internalized self-hate or something, or it is a superiority complex of the sort of 'I'm gonna do very well, because I am so awesome'. No, dimwits: True societal collapse will likely be an absolute nightmare global nuclear war (and, no, you won't 'die instantly'; likely your boiled flesh will fall of your bones while you suffer for weeks in agony). There are medium-sized 'collapse' scenarios (such as collapse of the money system), …
/r/MGTOW08/07/16 09:25 PM
2

Feminists support unsustainable welfare programs that are plunging the West into a hole of debt we'll be lucky to crawl out of in a century The debt is all in fiat. That can and will evaporate very quickly. It is the system-wide economic distrust that follows that will be the rude awakening.
/r/MGTOW08/07/16 04:44 PM
1

That's correct. I hope (and am very slightly optimistic) humanity can still avoid something like that... :-)
/r/MGTOW08/07/16 04:42 PM
1

Indeed, I think it is the permanence aspect. It gotta be outside that ghetto full of high-rises, though. I rather fetch my own water from the lake than live in a concrete desert.
/r/MGTOW08/07/16 02:53 PM
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Go and marry a white woman. Have white children, a white divorce and get accused of some white hetero cis male domestic violence. Have the judge let the pro- white male cis hetero scum bias give you a lenient sentence (not). Add another white single, fat, abusive mom to society. Let your children die in the war of whites against whoever else, because - well they'll die for a cause! You're so happy to have produced them! You can be proud! Overall, just be a happy slave. Good luck! :) And now fuck…
/r/MGTOW08/07/16 02:48 PM
2

Looking forward to that situation - owning a house - and if it is only small!
/r/MGTOW21/06/16 08:22 PM
5

At what point does this tip-toeing around the truth become another form of gynocentric pandering? Right away, IMO.
/r/MGTOW16/06/16 09:57 PM
1

see formerly marginalized groups (women, minorities, LGBT, etc.) Generally agreed on minorities and LGBT - although with the caveat that there is a difference between equal rights and praising alternative lifestyles above everything else for no reason. There is no question that bashing gays for their attraction is horrible, even more so the death penalty that still exists for homosexuality in some parts of the world. Similarly, there's a difference between someone's skin color and the horrible b…
/r/MGTOW15/06/16 09:28 PM
1

Loneliness is cured by meaningful human interaction and you don't want need a woman for that. FTFY. Of course, you might still want a woman for sex.
/r/MGTOW05/06/16 11:08 AM
3

I actually think the idea of the west does have some valuable things left - such as -in principle- freedom for people to forge their own path and define their own values. No forced marriage (only strong shaming), no mandatory religious bullshit, less acid attacks ... As for the current state of affairs - well we all know how shitty things are.
/r/MGTOW02/06/16 09:30 PM
5

I thought it goes like this: A boat makes you happy twice. When you buy it, and when you sell it :D
/r/MGTOW30/05/16 07:34 AM
3

I have to say I think there's a lot about the west that I'd like to see conserved. There are also other things I do not mind if they're gone (such as feminism). However: I feel that a) talking about the real issues brings me nowhere (people simply won't listen and will rather scream at you), b) it wastes my and other peoples time, c) people will anyways figure it out on their own Why the fuck should I struggle and suffer in some fight for some ideals that are currently overriden with backroom de…
/r/MGTOW29/05/16 10:20 PM
3

Indeed: Let me add a thing: I think the idea that we humans tend to have that we organize everyone and everything into a single, global hierarchy in life is wrong - and at least outdated since a long time. You might be the master in your job, but just suck at your local chess club. You might be the tallest, but not the strongest. You might have a circle of friend you lead - and you might have one where you are rather listening, if not following - because you feel it makes sense to you. Hierarchy…
/r/MGTOW28/05/16 06:04 PM
4

Sucking the wrong parts, that is...
/r/MGTOW25/05/16 08:52 PM
4

MGTOW most definitely didn't invent the label "Peter Pan Syndrome".
/r/MGTOW20/05/16 07:48 PM
1

Interesting. What do you think, why would someone do this?
/r/MGTOW26/04/16 12:36 PM
3

Well said. Let me add I did have enough success with women (to think I could easily go out now and fuck a 5-6 if I wanted to), but only after bending myself from a mostly happy STEM nerd to being 'more outgoing'. However, I now see that path as a dead end - something I took partly due to blue balls and partly due to BP brainwashing. I also think that more often and not - though not always!- being in the top 20% means being an asshole. For the rest of us 80%-90%, it is probably best to have the p…
/r/MGTOW26/04/16 04:55 AM
3

Everything is all about and for pussy. It's all revolving around it. As a non-religious persion, I saw (in earlier times) religion just as a means to control people. Now I see that one part of the reason of the existence of religion is that a few people tried to rise above it - Monks are the earlier MGTOWs. I think the human quest for something saner - something more meaningful than the quest for pussy - is a very tender shoot. It is easily destroyed by a culture reinforcing our biological trait…
/r/MGTOW25/04/16 04:50 AM
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I mean, we're not monsters I wonder if she can say this with a straight face after she divorce rapes her future schlubby hubby. Oh I am absolutely sure she can.
/r/MGTOW25/04/16 04:36 AM
1

All I can find is Gloria Steinem's link - and that in recent times, the CIA and other branches of the government occasionally use feminism/sjw/... for political purposes, from the Snowden leaks. (Which I do not doubt at all) But nothing really tying the CIA to NOW. Of course, there are conspiracies. I wouldn't be suprised, but the evidence simply isn't there.
/r/MGTOW21/04/16 08:26 PM
2

Do you have evidence for that? I know that Steinem is funded, but NOW in total?
/r/MGTOW21/04/16 04:01 PM
3

Good luck. I suspect that in at most 10 years, you will be where /u/closer_to_the_lung is now. That said, walking away does help to change the system, as it loses support. But the reason to walk away is for one's own sanity. Also, basing decisions in reality doesn't make anyone a coward.
/r/MGTOW19/04/16 04:44 AM
16

Men's rights is also so much weaker than women's rights because of this. And also, if you are not a MGTOW in 'monk mode', you are in competition with your male peers - for pussy. It might be in a relatively benign way on a level playing field if the competition just reflects in the prices of the prostitute(s) you visit. But there is also the fierce, brutal, put-other-men-down, dog-eat-dog jungle-like mentality in night clubs and anywhere else in the dating scene where the pussy cartel rules. I b…
/r/MGTOW18/04/16 01:03 PM
6

Should I ever have the money and time for a yacht, that's how I am going to call her: "Very little sex appeal" :D
/r/MGTOW17/04/16 01:19 PM
1

Some wisdom on this.
/r/MGTOW17/04/16 01:11 PM
6

And a man's biggest vice is probably women...
/r/MGTOW16/04/16 05:22 PM
1

I think putting reproduction as the pinnacle of an individual human's life is IMO a deep trap (yes, it is deep because, yes, agreed, it is a strong part of our composition) that even many scientists fell into - further reinforcing and propagating that myth in society (and that helped by their perceived authority). So... what do you think about what I wrote above about this?
/r/MGTOW16/04/16 03:45 PM
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a) Differentiate between happiness and contentment b) Monks get quite old - they wouldn't, if they wouldn't be at least content most of the time c) Even if you feel you cannot control your craving (I guess that is quite likely if you are less than 30 years old), paid sex means you are as much a slave to pussy as you are to food. You are a slave to food even more than you are to pussy! You are not only 'unhappy' without food, you'll die! Still, it is more than awkward to call oneself a slave of f…
/r/MGTOW16/04/16 03:40 PM
2

Here's the problem. Life is a bit rough and tumble, but the SJWs want to make sure nobody ever has their fee fees hurt - let alone suffer a crime. We must control everything to make this happen! Bubble wrap the world! And that somehow is done using false rape accusations to let men rot in prison, being raped there. SJWs are talking about microaggressions and supposedly caring about the menz, too. But, interestingly, they didn't solve the problem of prison rape culture. The origin of the word 'ra…
/r/MGTOW16/04/16 10:34 AM
2

THIS.
/r/MGTOW16/04/16 10:30 AM
4

Same my ex's were super cute and very crazy. There is a 'hot chick crazy scale' some place on youtube. It's very funny so accurate. My theory is that the female sex drive works that way. Crazy == hungry for sex. And a hungry female is - unfortunately - quite a turn-on for us males. However, it is also crazy == outright evil often, there is an outright evil element in the female sex drive as well. Which means you can choose among about these options: 1.) good sex with crazy, but she is dangerous …
/r/MGTOW16/04/16 10:26 AM
1

Funny. I was looking at Bergen as a place to look for a job. Supposed to be rainy all the day, but I've been there as a tourist and it looks like a quite nice town. I do have a STEM degree, but unfortunately not the wealth... Now I have to figure out the Norwergian job market without speaking a word Norwegian.
/r/MGTOW16/04/16 10:08 AM
2

Understood. I am in about the same boat. Your post reminds me of the submission from yesterday.
/r/MGTOW14/04/16 01:33 PM
1

I thought it goes like this: "How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" "THAT ISN'T FUNNY1!!!1!" :D
/r/MGTOW13/04/16 05:53 PM
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Yes. And one should add that the skill is still just a lottery ticket for potential wealth and might otherwise make it more likely to be able to make a living, but it is by no means any guarantee to be financially successful. And those women now come to the places where anything 'computers, math, physics or STEM' happens and start to destroy those places. Many of us nerds actually have quite a lot of empathy, a developed sense of understanding others and a feeling of responsibility for others. O…
/r/MGTOW13/04/16 05:43 PM
1

Yes, I guess that is a good way to put it.
/r/MGTOW11/04/16 02:22 PM
2

That's how the SJW hamster works; up becomes down, down becomes up; "the truth" and objective reality ceases to exist and gets replaced by something more convenient, under which "lies" become "a higher truth"; etc. I sometimes doubt the hamster exists, or at least doubt it exists in all females. I think we males are prone to have our own hamster spinning when being (seemingly...) offered sex or when working on acquiring some. I do feel somewhat sorry for the blue-pill guy, but not really the bla…
/r/MGTOW11/04/16 11:04 AM
0

I wonder what would happen in case of a male prostitute being paid. I wonder even more what would happen if a couple decides that they have paid each other for sex and then went to the police.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 08:44 PM
6

I do not think philosophy makes live meaningless. It is rather our application of it and the inane drive to put everything into paradoxical, black and white pictures. [And I think the fucked up male/female relations, being such a core part of our animal identity, make this perspective unfortunately even more prevailing. Luckily, there is the MGTOW way out...] Think about it: If everything is meaningless, then so is the saying that 'everything is meaningless'. A good book here - that you likely k…
/r/MGTOW06/04/16 07:47 AM
5

Yes, it is a great post. You have to add that there is enough of this toxicity that there's another female or two on the other side that is repeating the pink-haired SJW/feminist's bullshit as well. So if you view the whole situation from above, you have people of both sexes who are initially 'reasonable' but then the infection starts to spread and the last pockets of resistance are broken. Unless the guy is very strongwilled, he will eventually succumb, because in the extreme, he can either bec…
/r/MGTOW05/04/16 07:18 PM
1

Here's this fear I have from time to time: It is desirable for me to live a life of peaceful solitude as well and after a lot of time trying to fit in, I am now actively working on achieving that goal. Whether that's on a mountain top or not, I am sure it's going to be more remote. So here's my fear: People who think for themselves are hated by their peers and - it appears to a large extend - by the higher ups in 'the system 'as well. Remember also that nowadays, privacy is basically dead and no…
/r/MGTOW02/04/16 06:00 AM
1

Have you successfully defended yourself in a false rape allegation case?
/r/MGTOW31/03/16 05:41 AM
1

A lawyer now is sure as heck going to be a lot cheaper than a lawyer when he's in jail. And, OP, /u/pepsifuckingcola , I don't want to paint things darker than they are, but you are an inch away from jail. The bitch is crazy and she has all the power. Do NOT count on her 'not being THAT crazy to talk to the cops'. They do that. They like that. They like the sadism by proxy. Really, they do. They are as sick as any bad male sex criminal, just their methods are different. They do not rape and kill…
/r/MGTOW29/03/16 08:35 PM
1

Indeed. The right answer here is: get a lawyer.
/r/MGTOW29/03/16 08:28 PM
1

IANAL, but absolutely: Seconded! Also, be careful with what you write, imagine all of it ends up in court and will be tried to be used against you. With the right mindset, you might string her along to better expose her lies. But talk to a lawyer first. If she ever shows up at your apartment, it is a good idea to switch on a recording camera with sound. Have it ready in any case. I am not going to advise you to break the law - but in case recording is illegal where you live, think about what is …
/r/MGTOW29/03/16 08:27 PM
10

I remember feminism got a bit of a bad name for a short moment back in the 90s. I think there was even a little bit of awareness that e.g. false rape accusations actually can happen back then. Men's rights activists came out and complained. They got a little bit of media attention even. AFAIR, it was the very same dynamics. Suddenly lots of women moved from being feminists to being supposed grown-ups. Now I can say 'LOL, screw yourself'. And I know I am right. Back then, I wanted to believe... L…
/r/MGTOW29/03/16 08:08 PM
5

No offense, but I think what happened to the OP is his biological gynocentrism acting, driving him to try to find at least one reasonably sounding explanation outside the very dark conclusion that simply many, MANY women like to fuck over their provider-male 'hosts'. In the non-literal sense. And with full awareness of what they are doing. I am guilty of that mode of blame-shifting, gynocentric thinking myself, too. It seems to be quite hard to stay in the mode of actually assuming women are gro…
/r/MGTOW26/03/16 03:42 PM
3

^ This. There is value in minimalism or asceticism, but one has to see that for oneself. (... not that OP said or implied that in any way...) Someone else telling me to be 'selfless' (and thus minimalistic) likely becomes a form of tradcon gynocentrism very fast. That's also what I dislike about what appears to be the monk definition in many religions: Serve the community (which then became: 'serve the women' pretty fast). I can even believe that original founders and people far back where preac…
/r/MGTOW25/03/16 01:02 PM
7

As a former lurker around here too, thank you for this. Your 'doubt' section feels especially important. The problem is that following these doubts will lead one back onto the old path, only to be badly hurt another time and in another way. In general, doubting is good. But biological(?) gynocentrism seems to manifest in a lot of us as doubting without reason in the area of the male/female relations and behavior assessment of females. I think I have been what is now called MGTOW several times in…
/r/MGTOW16/03/16 12:11 PM
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