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Question For Womenweenieandthebutt/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 09:31 PM
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Question For Womenweenieandthebutt/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 10:01 PM
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Question For Womenweenieandthebutt/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 11:14 AM
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Playedweenieandthebutt/r/MGTOW17/07/21 04:32 PM
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Question For Womenweenieandthebutt/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:18 PM
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Question For Womenweenieandthebutt/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:41 PM
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weenieandthebutt/r/MensRights24/06/13 08:34 AM
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weenieandthebutt/r/seduction24/06/13 10:24 AM
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Question For Womenweenieandthebutt/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:30 PM
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Question For Womenweenieandthebutt/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 01:57 PM
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Unless someone is doing something actively illegal, it isn't my job to whistle-blow or get involved in other people's personal affairs (especially my friends).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:30 PM
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Women can have any preferences they want. I once was happy and thanked a girl in a club after she rejected me because it was refreshing to hear her reasons. All I ask is just that you lot be honest about it other than spout these trite "muh personality" mantra.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:30 AM
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Do both you and your friends attract and select the same type of men in terms of build, temperament, hobbies etc? I only ask because I think it makes a difference to how a guy would behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:54 AM
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Settling isn't just down to money, it's also being the boring safe guy whom she barely shows affection or passion for as she previously did with other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:57 PM
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When women go for Chads or top tier men, that's mostly in the casual sex and ONS context. Most couples I see irl are pretty looksmatched and not so much the hot girl/ugly guy combo that's talked about (if he was ugly, he would at least tall). Deadbedrooms and lack of sex is often spoken about online. Sometimes when you observe couples, you notice there's often a lack of affection or passion with either one or both settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:55 PM
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Pathetic maybe but that's different to being a bad person. Problem I have with Reddit is they lump them in with men who are legitimately bad people and scumbags.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:21 PM
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You can be insecure and low self-esteem and still be successful with women. Whether it's with good looks, imposing physique or bravado. Simply being content and comfortable in your skin (what confidence is classically defined us) alone doesn't get you far.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:04 PM
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I'm not contesting these are attractive traits. I'm noo talking about social anxiety, shyness or awkwardness, it's more for guys who don't fit into that definition of masculinity whether physically or personality wise.....for instance if they're not imposing, loud spoken, take up space etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:58 PM
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I just feel "confidence" is just a proxy for any man who carries this aura around him whether it's height, being boorishly loud or charismatic. In other words power. I see guys who are fairly short, small build, soft spoken, poor posture who get constantly told they need to be more confident, even when they aren't insecure or are content with themselves internally.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:00 PM
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Unless he's lashed out and called her a "bitch", "slut", "hoe" etc after getting rejected, then I don't see why the nice guy is painted as a bad person. You'd harbour some sort of resentment if you abide by society's script and moral standards whilst seeing other men get rewarded despite them being more uncouthed or aloof by nature. N.B I'm talking about resentment towards harsh dating realities and not towards the person who rejected them. Also, "he took the time to get to know me, he took me o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:53 PM
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If I'm in a committed relationship or we've already had sex, shared some level of intimacy etc, sure I'd spoil you. If it's just a first date and we're complete strangers where she indicates no level of interest, then I wouldn't be willing to do anything beyond paying for a coffee. I'm not frugal or disagreeable, I just don't like anything feeling transactional by nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:36 PM
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You cannot demand hyper-individualism when it comes to men's struggles but demand collectivist empathy when it comes to women's struggles. Beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:06 PM
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To me, it just means overall better prospect whilst weighing out all the other traits (compatibility, caring, loyal etc). I'm talking about attraction on a physical, primal level. If you weren't looking for a relationship and you'd place these two guys in the same room such as a nightclub, which off two will still be more attractive and have a girl to go back home with?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:30 PM
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Tyler is more attractive than Steve. Are we talking conventional attractiveness or relationship attractive (i.e. "He's so sweeeeettt, caring and dependable). Because these are two separate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:59 AM
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I'd argue bisexuals probably hold some of the more rigid and polar gender standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:09 PM
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Lmao I wasn't even born during those periods. Take it up with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:06 PM
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Almost as if the wide disconnect between men and women doesn't foster dissonance on a societal level. Dismiss it all you will but you need harmony and cohesion in order for a society to function (no, I'm not talking about coercion or wild ideas like "state mandated gfs"). At least some basic level of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:55 AM
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It's honestly been a mixed bag where I've lived out the lonely incel years, experiencing wild success, dealing with temporary dry spells etc and everything else in between. Overall, dating is a very hit-and-miss experience and I feel I've had far more success with it mid 20s than I have during my 30s (the male wall is very real). What are the real challenges you personally face in dating? Male competition is very stiff. Depending on the woman, sometimes you're indirectly competing with literal m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:18 AM
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Absolutely this. I feel most female dating advice is geared towards playing the long game in the hopes of marrying your soul mate or settling in the betabux position. I wanna know what advice women would actually give to men who wanna have loads of casual sex and ONSs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:42 AM
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Vast majority of redpillers (especially the early days of TRP) would neither subscribe nor condone to that level of entitlement. Apart from basic morality, you can't negotiate desire and begging comes from a position of weakness. I can see why it can be "torture" for a lot of men to be surrounded by tons of beautiful women that they could never touch (almost like a starving third-worlder surrounded by the finest gourmet buffet that only rich oligarchs can eat from). Though this isn't saying wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:55 PM
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I'd argue that's not Patriachy but rather unfettered chauvinism. Actual Patriachial societies would keep women protected and punish heinous male behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:03 PM
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I never said that women have an obligation to clean or that men should not contribute at all. The conflict is men and women on average have a difference in cleaning standards. I don't expect anyone to do anything for me and if I cook, I'll clean after myself out of pure courtesy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:29 PM
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a study that found women do feel physically distressed around clutter and mess but men didn’t show the same response. That's a fair assessment. There are some men out there that actually don’t do their share in keeping the home tidy and I can see how that would get annoying after awhile. I'm not talking about men who do absolutely nothing and are completely lazy. It's just more of a difference of cleaning standards and sense of urgency that I contest to. still a few stragglers that were coddled …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:27 PM
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Women in this thread deny it yet when it comes to incels and unsuccessful men, they'll suddenly change their tune and frame it as a moral failing. Even when husbands are stuck in dead bedroom situations, it's always because, "he didn't do the dishes" 😒 hence framing sex as a reward for good behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:56 PM
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If was genuinely coerced into doing something she didn't like or did it reluctantly, of course I wouldn't expect her to do the same for me. But if she did enthusiastically did these things in the past then talks about "being a changed woman", "maturity" blah blah ad nauseum, then of course that would bother me. I don't want to be the "safe guy" in a vanilla relationship after she's had her slutty fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:54 PM
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Thank you, I appreciate you're one of the few women who actually empathises.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:45 PM
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My ex had a history of being promiscuous with other guys (mostly casual too) but with me, she was mostly asexual. I never got the version of her that other guys got to enjoy and they got it for free as well. These things are a slap to the face.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:02 PM
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She allows you access to the most intimate parts of her body and derives a carnal form of pleasure from your body. She wouldn't do so with a boy or an adult male who looks like a 12 year old. For years, you lot talk about how being "nice" is just a simple baseline for humans and it isn't remarkable. Anyone can be nice or liked as a human being. My job role isn't who I am as a person nor do I aspire for a managerial position. Being desired is much more different to simply being liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:21 PM
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Yeah self-worth. Social status is different as that's more linked to how others perceive you. Obviously I enjoy the intimate and pleasurable aspects of it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:08 PM
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Yes redpillers can make ridiculous, outlandish claims from time to time (just like any other group) but I hardly see any talking points where they expect women to think a man. Difference is cognition and differences in sexual strategy is often the main talking points.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:01 AM
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It's just validating as a man which is slightly different to social status.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:58 AM
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Same way female virginity can be seen as infantilising so imagine what it's like for a male.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:22 AM
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I'm the same as well. I wanna feel respected as a man and sex for me feels complete and the most authentic way to validate it. Not a nerd, the straight-gay best friend or asexual blob. Being "liked as a person" doesn't take much and and even when women try to be nice, it can come across as condescending.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:48 AM
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This entire post is just the female variant of, "why can't women take being sexualised and objectified as a compliment, I'd be flattered if it happened to me as a man". Women should not get to project their standards and worldview onto men in the same manner men are constantly told not to do with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:30 AM
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That is a very fair point. I respect you're one of the few who doesn't resort to strawman arguments and personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:39 AM
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"Choose better" doesn't mean lower your standards or date undesirable men out of pity. It's not even directed at "nice guy who turns out to be abusive later" cases. "Choose better" means don't go for obvious jackasses, badboys, drug-dealers, street thugs, criminals, guys who have a reputation for petty violence etc just because "he's 6'5" teehee". It's one thing to turn down a guy who's only redeeming quality is just being nice but that doesn't mean go out and reward some of the worst men just b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:16 PM
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I’ve noticed that a lot of men who openly talk about “spinning plates,” multiple girlfriends, side chicks, etc. also confidently say they’ll be amazing fathers someday. So by that same metric, women who are also promiscuous and sleep around aren't relationship material and won't make great mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:55 AM
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Redpill for me was mostly hookups and ONSs. Relationships and marriages, I'm not looking to be some domineering patriach who treat them like children. I look for pure companionship and am willing to be the biggest simp (figuratively speaking) to someone who genuinely shows desire towards me. Main caveat here is I'm not willing to be in the betabux situation with someone who's given the Chad treatment to every other guy except me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:42 PM
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Yeah and if you miss that boat during your high-school or university years, your only other avenue is online dating or other outlets with complete strangers involved. There's no sense of familiarity to work within your favour and your essentially going by looks alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:17 PM
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Every man has a different sexual standard. You all love to point out women aren't monoliths yet paint guys all with the same brush. Like everything, there are nuances. Hardly anyone is gonna call you a "slut" for having 3 bodies, all within relationship bodies. I'll say however that most guys you're addressing here just want sexual consistency: If you have a low bc and had a history of being reserved, most men wouldn't mind waiting. However, if you racked up a high bc with ONS and casual hookups…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:30 AM
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Trump is a morally bankrupt man and Netanyahu's bitch. I don't know anyone who supports him now apart from a cult of batshit crazy people. If anyone hyped him up back in 2016 (including myself admittedly), it was because they were against how pernicious cancel culture and the left had become, not because they support war or any of these atrocities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:18 AM
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That's fair but would you hold that same energy for a man who doesn't necessarily slut-shame but doesn't wanna date a woman with a promiscuous past either?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:23 PM
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Nah the problem are "reformed sluts" who've had their fun with everyone else but acts prudish with you (whilst she expects husband benefits from you).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:21 PM
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That women will throw their ethics, moral principles and "muh personality matters" out the window for a good looking man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:09 AM
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What you described is literally blackpill. As for the "nice guys get laid too" argument, is this casual hookups/ONSs or LTRs because they're completely different scenarios?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:04 AM
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This is no different to how nice guys feel about women who say they want a good guy but instead reward badboys and Chads. One gets vitriol, the other gets agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:25 AM
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The point is what's the difference between a guy who hangs around with a misogynist because he's fun and a woman who fucks a misogynist because he's got good dick of whatever. Why is there a moral obligation placed on a man with whom he hangs out with but none placed on a woman who actually gives the man the most visceral experience. There's a difference between "reward good men with sex" (which is not what I claim) and "refrain from fucking dudes who are morally questionable and overall detache…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:42 PM
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Men are told all the time to correct sexist behaviour amongst men or not to hang around with misogynists because by hanging around with them implicitly sends the message that what they do is acceptable. Funny thing is that women putting out to these men reinforces these behaviours much further than any of the most chauvinistic frat house.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 05:34 PM
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Incels don't do this either. They just mostly talk about looks-based theories and at worst, just state that women are mindless, cruel and shallow (which is no different to what online feminists do to men). You can't have one standard for what's problematic online and then turn around and tell others to "go outside" or "touch grass" when other online problematic behaviour is pointed out to the other camp.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:48 PM
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Why don't you have the same energy for incels then? Most don't act hostile in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:42 PM
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The reason is irrelevant, it's the fact that these men get what they want so it ends as as a positive result in that feedback loop. It's delusional to expect people to change on a large scale just cause, "I said so". Any moral doctrine has to have some sort of punishment/reward system.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:32 AM
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Sex is the most powerful reinforcer in the natural world though. No amount of liberal, feminist doctrine is gonna override thousands of years of human evolution. Sex is seen as a "reward" in the sense that it's fairly scarce for most men and it's one of the most gratifying and intimate experiences. Any woman can be your friend if you demonstrate kindness but no woman would allow a man to access the most intimate parts of her body unless you were more physically attractive compared to other dudes…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:17 AM
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It's because women lack sexual consistency for most guys: Promiscuous and wild with the hookup guy, slow and sexually reserved for the husband type. I've given all my LTRs the far better treatment compared to casual hookups and not the other way round like a lot of women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:19 PM
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Women love to talk about how everything is "laboured" but don't take into consideration how being the jester or dancing monkey can be draining too. We both know the onus is typically on a man to impress early stages, be witty, be entertaining, be interesting etc. The conservation and dynamic during early stages vs in a relationship is vastly different where the guy can actually feel more relaxed and not feel the constant need to entertain or impress. It's why men typically feel more assured and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:01 PM
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Vast majority of my partners have been older than me either by a few years or significant difference. I can say older women are much easier to attract than girls my age or younger so yeah this feminist narrative is drawn out. Younger people (not just girls) are just less embittered, disillusioned and have more of a zest for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 11:50 PM
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That's cause younger people have more of a zest for life and lower maintenance. "Easier to attract" and "being more easily impressed" are two separate things. Older women are easier to attract, this is why hagmaxxing is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 11:47 PM
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I think it's disingenuous that women target and profit of from the same incels (and other socially awkward losers) that they bash, ridicule and incriminate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:35 AM
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And here we go with the personal attacks...... I've had women who were easy with me, no matter what they had going on with their own personal lives so I don't really buy these other excuses I'm not even talking exes, I'm talking the hookup guy who gets the fun treatment. Even if it was an ex, who's to say that he hasn't left her or that she ended the relationship due to moral deficiencies, not physical. Women cry about guys who've done more thoughtful and sentimental things for past girls but no…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:31 PM
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To borrow you lots rebuttal, men are not a monolith in that regard. Some men like freaky girls, others may value chastity. The only thing I'll say is that even some of the more liberal, sex-positive guys do not like the idea of a woman who's been promiscuous with others but prudish with him. Nobody likes to feel like the safe guy or fallback option after they've had their fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:07 PM
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I wanna hear it from a woman, not a male. There are literally women who are up for it despite working busy strenuous jobs or going through a rough patch. They'll drive down far just to see you, they'll even cancel family plans and take you home if they're up for it. Like I said, I understand sex doesn't always happen on a first date for multiple external factors but withholding intimacy like kissing isn't an encouraging sign that she's into the guy. Yes I'm a sucker for cuddling too but like mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:59 PM
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Not gender related but as a fellow autist, I have to say the biggest double standard is normies don't extend that same courtesy when offending or patronising other autists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:44 PM
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Ready for what exactly? To decide whether or not the guy is attractive. Like I said, I understand if it doesn't happen on a first date because they may not be horny on the day (same with us guys too) but to withhold any sort of intimacy or to make a guy wait much longer just seems that she's not really into him and that he has to "grow on her eventually". Even I had a female friend state that to me on some of the guys she's dated whereas others more instant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:41 PM
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Sleeping with one guy early doesn’t make another guy “less than.” It just means the connections aren’t identical. It kinda does though. The guy who got it early obviously had something the later guy doesn't. Typically the later guy has to cater more and jump through more hoops in order to compensate whatever shortcoming. I understand that sex on a first date may not happen for several reasons but anything longer than a month seems like the guy wasn't the attractive option.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:02 PM
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Boobs, ass and wet hole for me.... I joke. I like how well organised they are, put effort into decorations and know how to dress and are consistent with their daytime/nighttime routine which most men (including myself) struggle with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:28 PM
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"A woman who really likes you" - that's the entire point. I don't want to entertain a girl or take her to fancy places unless there's some form of intimacy established. This is a clear indication that she likes me and isn't either using me or still placing me in the "I'm not sure if I'm attracted to him yet" category. Once we have sex or we become exclusive, that's when I'll figuratively become the biggest simp for her and spoil her. Until then, she has to prove that she's into me for me and not…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:37 PM
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Not used per se but obviously one of my fears when it comes to entering a relationship is knowing whether she actually desires me or whether she's she sees me as this nice "safe guy" whom she's settling with after she's had her fun with all the badboys and hot guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:30 PM
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The perk is the relationship with the woman That still doesn't answer the question. That in itself is arbitrary. What does she do for you in a relationship? And we all know that y'all don't value relationships. Firstly I want the whole package. Secondly don't give us this "you don't value women for their minds, souls blah blah blah" when you lot curve the nice guy in relationships in favour of casual hookups with random fuckboys. Y'all don't treat relationships alone like they're exciting so why…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:01 AM
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Lol at how they move the goalpost. First they claim sex is pleasurable act that's mutually enjoyed, then suddenly, "oh it's just as much as utility as using someone for their time and money".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:57 AM
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You just probably don't like the term "looks or masculine energy" but I doubt short guys or soft-spoken gentle boys were amongst your rota of hookups. I talk from personal experience, what I've seen from other guys (including friends) and tons of testimonies from other guys. You lot talk about fanfiction but y'all can't back anything up substantially about what perks the relationship guy enjoys that the hookup dudes don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:56 AM
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Quicker, less effort, she's typically dolled up and more sexually enthusiastic (more primal, spontaneous and animalistic). Being liked for your looks and masculine energy as a man hits way different to being liked for your personality and being this "safe guy". Edit: nothing wrong with being caring obviously. It's just that it's easy to be kind and liked as a person which anyone is capable of doing, it's hard to spark attraction which not any guy can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:48 AM
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If a man who's slept around is a hypocrite for wanting a virgin, why does a woman feel like she deserves a good man after she's hoe'd around. At least I have some respect for the one's who date or marry for their own kind or at least the type of guys they've hooked up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 08:21 AM
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I admit simp tends to get overused (as with incel) but that's literally not the definition of simp. I love spoiling my partner - I know she likes me for me and thus it doesn't feel like I'm buying her affection. A simp for me is someone who's blindly defending a woman who would pay no attention for him or doing boyfriends duties for someone who just only sees him as the "gay BFF" or asexual blob whilst getting her clapped by some fuckboy who doesn't give a shit about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 11:40 AM
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If I'm the insecure one in the relationship, for me I want quick intimacy to show she desires me and I'm not merely the "safe option". If she's the insecure one in the relationship, I do and try to prove to her that I've done more for her than past girls and I'm with her because I love her, not because I'm looking for someone "easy" or "low-maintenance".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:32 AM
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This depends. More experience guys may be okay with it because their relationship initially started off being a ONS/hookup/Fwb that eventually evolves to a long term relationship. Most men (both experienced and Inexperienced) will feel some sort of resentment if it was a situation where the woman made him wait and jump through hoops whilst other guys got it easy. Context matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 11:18 PM
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Do people even do their research on redpill or manosphere? Literally all the stated figures you named apart from Fresh and Fit aren't remotely redpill. Tate himself is just his own separate brand. Even then, pre-2016 redpill was less about trying to humiliate women and "put them in their place" and more about how to escalate, how to find success as a man etc. There were a lot of men, including myself who found success with it. It's not either be this sociopathic, narcissistic bro who defies all …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:10 PM
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How so? I thought feminists tend to beat their chest stating that women are just as horny and interested in sex as men. But then they're sexual for the Chad, hot guy, rude boy etc (whatever you wanna call it) but then demisexual towards the man whom they deem as Mr Nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:42 PM
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Is this a joke? Do whatever you like if you're single but if you're in a relationship, there are certain boundaries that must be respected. Including how you're dressed. Even in my own relationship I was told to remove shirtless pics of myself on social media (decade old pics when I was ripped) and not to wear low-cut shirts that show off my chest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 11:16 AM
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When I hear these words, I hear something that’s not rooted in reality for the vast majority of people Yeah that's why I said they live a completely separate reality to most men. Learn to read between the lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:27 PM
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Exactly, that's why you don't hear about them as much. The few times you hear it from a male feminist online, they get grilled into oblivion for being "performative" and kicked out of their own group. One of my friends is liberal and though he calls out misogyny, wage gaps, experiences of his own female friends etc, he once admitted to me he shares a few incel views on how women favour taller, handsome guys (without the animosity involved of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:02 PM
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Actually getting laid, knowing how to escalate on dates etc and this goes beyond having basic conversation skills. Unless you're blessed with top-tier genetics or you had the high-school/university dating experience, you're pretty much cooked as a guy. The mainstream ("blue pill") will just say, "be respectful", "be yourself" blah blah which may sound plausible on paper but these traits alone doesn't create spark or attraction (and why should it). I'm talking mostly casual hookups by the way - r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:50 PM
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Geographical locations can make a massive difference (even if had that experience with changing my location to different cities in the UK). As for the "we have to put a stop to this comment", this is why men think a lot of women are sociopathic towards men who they deem as "chopped" or "low status".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:53 PM
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I genuinely found my success once I engaged within the redpill community. Before that I was the hapless autistic virgin. That's why the community is popular. There are plenty of virgins and incels across all political and social spheres, the only difference is that feminist, leftie males tend to be less vocal about their woes or they rationalise how they're so much better than the big bad incel. Unattractive people in relationships doesn't prove or disapprove anything - they could be partnered u…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:36 PM
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You're literally feeding into the same "toxic masculine" narrative that you lot love to peddle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 10:40 PM
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Yeah the so called "reformed sluts" do this shit after they've had their fun and wanna settle down during the boring stages of their life. Like you said, I prefer someone consistent with their sexuality, don't pretend to be someone you're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:48 PM
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I'm talking specifically about girls who've done it for other guys but makes you wait. Unlike the modest girl, it's not like she has any chastity to save so the whole "doing the good girl act" thing is futile.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:39 PM
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I used to believe this myself, even the prettiest girls will still go through hardship in life. The only thing I'll state is the average woman will still have far more privileges and power than the average man when it comes to sex, dating and relationships. Feminists love to peddle the same boring "slut/stud" double standard when they have hundreds of other advantages and this only applies to a small select group of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:35 PM
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Here we go with the personal attacks. I'm talking about those are sexually reserved. No man wants to sleep with a woman on the grounds that he's required to buy her affection whilst other guys didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:26 PM
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Guys do express sexual interest on dates and immerse themselves in this low-inhibited environments but still get shot down. If she can do it for other guys but not with me, that's an obvious indication she doesn't feel same raw desire for me - who wants to be in a relationship like that where they should feel "grateful" for that rare lukewarm love. If women are allowed to set standards with how their partners should treat them, so should men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:24 PM
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No, no, no & Noooooo. Most redpill men are not seriously deluded by the above idea. If anything, the biggest complaint is being the betabux or safe guy in the relationship. So it's safe to say women shouldn't settle for guys whom they're not attracted to. The initial anger from newer younger redpill men stems from feeling lied to from a young age by society. All I ask is just that women don't lie about this shit that looks don't matter and it's all about "muh personality" and "muh emotional inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:03 PM
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I'm exactly the same as well. Nuances don't exist with feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:57 PM
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The sex usually comes early. If she makes you wait, she doesn't have raw desire for you like she's had for other guys. Liking someone as a person is not the same thing as desiring someone sexually. They barely even overlap, I wish women would acknowledge this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:55 PM
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Nope men with backbone don't like being settled for. This isn't even a gendered thing, most women don't like to feel like that either where they're treated like the convenient option whose partner lacks raw desire or effort for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:53 PM
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Difference is a man's standards for sex is low - they'll go from the rare baddie (if they're lucky) to mids, fatties, ugly and all body type spectrums. Women typically sleep with guys of a single body type. If she's picky with whom she sleeps with but more flexible with whom she gets into an LTR with, I'm gonna assume that I'm one of those guys she wouldn't have hooked up with and I'm just the safe option. Nobody wants that and being in a sexlesss relationship is the most soul crushing thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:50 PM
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Yes they actually do, especially brigade subs like r/retrospectivejealousy or try to shut down Facebook groups with men discussing why wifing them up is a bad idea. Men just simply point out realities, they instead learn to groom, workout, make money instead of trying to impose social change like women often do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:23 PM
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I didn't say they can't get wifed up at all, just their options are more limited in that regard. This isn't even a man looking for a puritan virgin thing either, most men don't women seriously with a hyper promiscuous past.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:12 PM
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Most men are capable of entering relationships in their later years - they just don't want to be the plan-B for a woman who's looking for a betabux after she's had her fun and wants to settle with him during the boring stages of her life. Even if they couldn't get anyone, they're allowed to have standards like everyone else. Pathetic and moral failing are two completely different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:07 PM
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And I see far more women who play the oppression, "muh rights" and Patriachy card because men don't wanna wife up sluts. Besides nobody is claiming a man is oppressed because he can't get laid or that women should lower their standards. Just more that it isn't always a moral failing on their part.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:00 PM
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What do you count as whining exactly? Because I see the other side who tend to be far more uncouthed and hostile when it comes to challenging viewpoints or standards. We've had to hear about unfair beauty standards for decades for society and the larger education institutions to accommodate towards female feelings. Most men within this sphere just provide personal experiences (friends, family etc), offer perspective of things and challenge particular social narratives (especially one that paints…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:49 PM
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It'd allow women to be more empathetic instead of treating a man's lack of success as some moral failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:42 PM
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Nah man, plenty of men get insulted as incels and small-pee pees even just for expressing the preference without derogatory language or personally shaming an individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 10:39 AM
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It's literally bought up in football (especially UK) because it is fucking tiring hearing about how the women's England team is better than the men's team and how they deserve equal pay (eventhough men's football generates far more revenue with ticket prices, sponsorship and worldwide viewership).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:13 PM
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Men not caring about her education or career isn't them "settling" or "compromising" on their standards, it just isn't a major influence or primary basis of what they find attractive in a partner or conducive to these solid relationship aspects. It's rich coming from a woman who's being seen as a consolation prize when many men get settled for in a relationship as the boring safe option (i.e. betabux) whilst he gets the prude treatment whilst other past guys got their fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:58 PM
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One of my friends is the liberal feminist-lite who calls out misogyny, talks about the wage gap and his female friend's experiences etc etc (you get the picture) but when it comes to the dating/sexual aspect, he's fairly blackpilled (without the animosity) and admits women have it much easier in that regard. Why can't we just admit women have it tough in certain aspects but easier in others?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:38 AM
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No different to a bluepill world, only difference being is what women are predominantly attracted to and how men act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:34 PM
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People who use the term "alpha" are not calling themselves that. Preface: if you call yourself alpha, you're most likely just a chud. Alpha is mostly someone with a type A personality, strong phenotypical features (tall, high testosterone, slender build, ruggidly goodlooking) and have this dominant presence around them (in the sense that they draw in people or that you know you don't wanna mess with them). I'm not talking about someone average bro podcaster or an ascended nerd who lifts. Bluepil…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:21 PM
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So you'd be fine with your partner was frugal and his emotions towards you were ranging from cold-to-luke warm. Only to find out that he's spoiled his exes, treated them to lavish holidays, given his money to s*xworkers etc....knowing these girls weren't required to do a fraction of what you did for him. This isn't hypothetical either, women do display jealousy or even a form of resentment knowing that her partner was way different with other girls than he was with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:58 PM
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Men want the whole package. That means sex, personality, connection and shared values. Without either a relationship doesn't work. If the sex is there, men can at least enjoy the fun aspect of it. If everything else is there except for the sex, it just feels like a glorified friendship except you have to pay and do the boyfriend duties (whilst she doesn't have to abide to the girlfriend duties).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:45 PM
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That depends on context. If she takes it slow with other guys and mostly been in monogamous settings, then cool, I'll abide to her standard. But if she has a history of being promiscuous but then wants to take it slow with you, it shows she considers you "safe" than desirable. It's natural for men to want to feel desired in a relationship than something that feels transactional (e.g. she only likes me if I take her out, attentive and spoil her etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:42 PM
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It's the mostly the whole "different rules for different guys" concept as to why men have an aversion towards unfettered female sexuality and high bodycounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:59 PM
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Your response is well versed and interesting so I can understand some of the knee jerk reactions. As a man, I agree it's stupid to enter a relationship with a career woman if your expectations are tied to a traditional scenario of expecting her to be the SAHM. My post isn't "career woman bad" or anything along the lines, I've known good women in these positions. It's more that it doesn't simply doesn't influence a man's selection criteria during the dating process.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:49 PM
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Women don't get to dictate what a man should or shouldn't find attractive in a partner. But yet, we get called the "controlling" gender who police women on their choices and partner preferences smh.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:53 PM
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That is true people will often marry within the same profession or socioeconomic status. For me at least, having a degree and job is more of a necessity rather than a passion. I just like having someone who I can wind down with so having a degree/career isn't a prerequisite.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:49 PM
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This is the fairest response I've seen in this entire sub. It's natural you'd want someone who's compatible towards your goals and lifestyle. Some people aspire towards being the power couple, others just enjoy the simpler things in a person and being able to switch off as soon as they clock out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:46 PM
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Why should they care to such a performative degree? What benefit am I getting out of a career woman with a fancy degree. Is she gonna provide me free medical service or share her dough with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:39 PM
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Same, I'd support my wife's dreams, ambitions and career just as long as it doesn't come at the expense of my own needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:35 PM
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After all a secure man, a real man, will WANT appreciate the hard work you have put in Here we go with the shaming language yawn. I don't even condone the unsolicited comments some men make about women pursuing careers/degrees but men shouldn't receive scorn either for not necessarily treating it as a decisive factor of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:32 PM
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How is this any different to nice guy TMs who say, "well my niceness should matter". This isn't a decisive factor in most girls whether they'd put out just as much as a fancy degree isn't a decisive factor when it comes to men pursuing long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:27 PM
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There's a difference between being apathetic towards your partner's life and simply not treating it as a decisive factor when choosing a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:56 PM
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No even when guys don't use derogatory language and state their fair reasoning, they still get chewed out and insulted. It isn't anymore hypocritical for a man with a high bc to want a modest woman as it is for a short woman who wants a tall man, a broke woman who wants a well-off guy, a shy girl who wants the loud confident man, the feminine woman who doesn't want a man to wear make up and act womanly etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:21 PM
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Even when you're being civil about it without the shaming, they still resort to broad accusations and petty name calling. Not only are women allowed to have that preference when choosing a partner but shaming male virgins is open season for them. It's crazy because not even 15 years ago, it was Chads and other women (including high bc themselves) who would openly slut-shame and be judgey. Now men are not even allowed to talk privately amongst themselves stating that preference and how it's not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:15 PM
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The closest I got was at least caring if she was as sexually open with me as other guys from her past. This is literally the main premise. If she's a whore for other guys but is prudish towards you, she either does not find you desirable or she puts sex on the backburner entirely instead of seeing it as an act of intimacy. Typically women like them expect the husband treatment whilst refusing to give the girlfriend treatment or not respecting typical relationship boundaries (like going clubbing,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:31 PM
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It's dumb, younger girls are significantly a lot harder to pull and attract than older women. I'd concede and say they're losers if it's purely a transactional relationship but hey, better to be used for your money by a younger girl than an older woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:02 PM
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It literally is more common than what most people like to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:01 PM
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Nah dating for men is like trying to find a swamp in a desert and then searching for that elusive clean water.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:33 AM
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Rizz is a thing though, most women are not gonna get turned on by some boring conversation about work or family. The difference is attractive men have much of a wider variety they can pull off, unattractive men have got to be on their absolute A-game with essentially zero autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:12 PM
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Nah that's a generational difference between men. Most modern men (especially redpillers) want genuine desire as opposed to something transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:01 PM
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Yeah I also had that same criticism too for lacking jealousy and not imposing boundaries. Even if you try to be the relaxed boyfriend in a relationship, it'll still backfire. Women respect jealousy and boundaries as it shows that you care.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:46 AM
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If you're a likeable person who gets on with most people but unable to attract women beyond fatties and lower tier girls, can't we just agree the problem isn't personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:41 AM
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You're just trolling aren't you? I feel incredibly dumb now falling for the bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:04 PM
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Some morals may be relative but I'm pretty fucking sure this one is universal across all belief systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:36 PM
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That's not deception nor manipulation, that's just enhancing and making the most of your assets. Morals aside, I think I'd want my woman to authentically desire me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:31 PM
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That's literally the bare minimum in a relationship. If you don't wanna put out, go for an asexual dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:29 PM
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Bruh I ain't gonna darktriadmaxx.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:19 PM
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Your lives get enhanced when a women is in it you guys live longer your welcome. Enhanced in what sense? You guys get a fianicial boost when a women are in your lives, your welcome. Not at all, there's a lot of paying involved. Even if she's a career woman who goes 50/50, you're still expected to keep up with her expensive lifestyle. You gain free sex and a maid when women are in your lives, your welcome. Ahhh yeah, "I got a headache", "I'm not a very sexual person anymore" etc etc. Most modern …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:18 PM
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Genuine love isn't just fancy words, these are action. I don't expect them to look at their peak 24/7 but I think if she can doll herself up for girls night outs and past guys, she can do the same for me. So many women let themselves go, wear plain clothes or wear these messy hair buns etc that wouldn't be acceptable for even a dude to do on a first date. My partner's older than me but she shows love, passion and enthusiasm towards me and has even done certain things for me that she hasn't for p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:13 PM
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Not poly, polgyny where the women remain monogamous on their part. There are no lies or manipulation involved and everyone consents.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:02 PM
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Same too. Most people have a past but I'm good as long as she still makes an effort with her appearance and shows passion/enthusiasm towards me. I'm not seeking a trad or virgin, just I don't wanna be someone's safe option.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 12:59 PM
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Hope you have the same energy for men with harems and multiple wives (which others in feminist spaces view these women getting the raw end of the deal). Afterall it is mutually consensual and none of your business.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 12:56 PM
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If she's just as fun with him and actually desires him, sure. Otherwise no man should have to pay full price for something given away for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 12:52 PM
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Conversely, a woman who spent her prime years shouldn't settle for a good man when she begins to enter the boring stages of her life. Especially if she wouldn't have hooked up with him in her fun years.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 12:03 PM
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Nobody likes unsolicited advice nor hearing the same ol' trite platitudes that someone has heard a million times. Plus it's usually not provided in good faith. What's there not to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 03:03 PM
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I'm indifferent but I wouldn't go out of my own way to antagonise them if they're expressing grievance or kick a dog when they're down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 03:00 PM
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Don't you mean incapable
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 11:14 PM
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A 90 year old billionaire being "high value" and desirable in the eyes of a hot woman, come on this is just embarrassing at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:04 PM
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This is where I primarily disagree with redpill on here that a man's in his sexual prime +30 with a stable career and women are somehow attracted to it. This has got to be the biggest cope out there. It's usually the younger fuckboy chads and the low-inhibited boys drinking every weekend and playing FIFA with his mates pulling the baddies. Not just the young baddies but even up to late 20s. All the +30 year olds just get the leftovers and have to provide/work extra hard in hopes of getting somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 02:34 PM
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Know what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 01:05 PM
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So love/affection isn't a prerequisite for sex and vice versa. If that's the case, men are going to view love as a consellation prize the same way they view female friendship; I'm not trying to knock both down but they don't fill out underlying physical need. If I had to pick either extreme, I'd rather be physically desired but hated as a man than to be loved but treated asexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 12:13 PM
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Eastern Europeans are not renowned for being the most emotional. The Westernised one's (grew up in the UK) tend to act like typical English girls. The one's raised in their country are more level headed (which can be a good thing) but range from cold/sarcastic to reserved/mild affectionate. Italians on the other hand are polar opposites - being the most passionate but also very emotional amongst Europeans.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 10:44 PM
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Same as well. If you're gonna be a slut, at least own it instead of putting on the puritan virgin act. I wouldn't mind that much if they given me the hot girl treatment too (especially first date) instead of treating me different to past guys whilst expecting the husband treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:38 PM
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I wouldn't have much of an issue with it if these aren't coming from the same women who enjoy casual sex from the very same big bad chauvinistic men they complain about. Certainly the fact that you're damned if you display sexual interest, you're also damned if you get zero coochie.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 07:44 PM
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Some of the Chads, Lads, tall goodlooking rude boys (especially in the UK) are slut-shamers and still get laid plenty. If they don't use derogatory language, then at best they do not take certain women seriously as relationship material. There's a literal difference between wanting the untouched chaste virgin girl and simply not wanting someone who's "ran through".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 07:16 AM
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The men who don't care about bodycounts are the one's who have it casual too or had relationships that evolved from ONS/FWB situations. Liberal guys only say they want experienced women because they're under the delusion they'd receive the pornstar treatment. Even your most liberal "sex-positive" feminist man would not feel comfortable or take kindly knowing the fact that other guys you'd sleep with easily but with him, you make him wait and give him the prude treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 09:35 PM
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Whenever a woman cooks for her man and acts like a 1950s housewife, you get plenty of hate as well from women. It's more the fact that people will rage at one sided relationships (at least the perception of it).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:20 PM
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The "be top (insert %) man" mantra isn't for relationships, it's for hookups. Some dudes wanna enjoy the fruits of a casual fling without the costs, burdens and responsibilities that come with relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 10:39 PM
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It's not even just the whore part that gets to me. The biggest one would be making me work and wait around for something that was given away free to others making me feel like the "safe guy" in the scenario. I could at least tolerate a whore who was more upfront about it from the start and gave me the same sexual treatment. Women in this thread talk about extreme scenarios like being a PDFile or whatever but I'm pretty sure there were scenarios of them being livid about ending up in bed with a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:37 AM
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I was meant to say it's not always about the money. There's different variations like "hugger vs fucker" category.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:03 AM
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As long as she treats me the same (or better) as previous guys, I couldn't give a shit if they're 6ft5 Chads or whatever. I'm not delusional that past guys were most likely hotter. What counts for me is she doesn't treat me as the safe guy and show genuine desire/enthusiasm towards me. The main being she's physically affectionate towards me, doesn't make me wait, dolls herself up to me for my liking etc. Then I won't be as fixated about her past.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:35 AM
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I've seen feminists and other women chew men out for soliciting sexual interest or wanting ONSs rather than relationships, even when done in a polite way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 12:42 PM
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Thing is numbers by itself means nothing. I look at the full picture and see if most came from relationships, what type of men they were etc - low level street guys and boorish men are a major redflag for me. Otherwise I'm cool with it if the past guys were at least respectable. I'd overlook it if she has the same desire for me rather than treat me as a safe option. If she's intimate with me early on rather than make me wait (it's not like you have anything to save lmao). On paper, I'm not gonna…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 10:34 AM
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You want my personal opinion, I think it can sometimes be easy for women to enter these relationships but difficult to leave due to initial investment and sunk/cost fallacy mindset. It's easy for redditors to just say, "if you're not happy, then just leave the relationship". I've been there myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 10:18 AM
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I hope you got the same energy for women who end up in dissatisfactory neglectful or parasitical relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 10:08 AM
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Yeah simple but plenty of women who settle down struggle with that bare minimum in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 09:43 AM
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Showing sexual enthusiasm and maintaining their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 09:05 AM
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Betabux isn't about money per se. They're just usually the boring safe option who serve as useful idiots whom post-prime women make minimal effort for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 01:33 AM
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Playing women and giving false promises is plain sociopathic behaviour, just make your intentions clear. That said, not many people excuse men for playing about just to get laid but for whatever reason it's socially acceptable for women to have their fun with the fuckboys, hot guys, street thugs etc but then settle down with the beta guy whom they're not really into.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 01:31 AM
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There were field reports and success stories pre 2019 on the redpill sub. I myself was a product of that success going from a hapless virgin to hooking up to a different woman every week. Now I'll admit it's full of random youtubers and grifters looking to ride the wave but a decade ago, the redpill was filled with loads of insightful reading material and valuable info. Now I'm just a simple man in a relationship taking a more bluepill approach (love, empathy, attention blah blah blah) but pulli…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 05:35 PM
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It's not about thinking that way, it's about being treated that way. You do not get to treat someone a certain way and then turn around and dismiss them that it's only in their head. No man wants to be treated like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 06:22 PM
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Won't have what problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 06:02 PM
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The irony is unlike their own friends, I wouldn't even judge. It isn't my concern what they do in their time. I just have these standards when it comes to dating and not wanting to be the sucker in the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:23 PM
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Redpill youtubers aren't a good example though. That's like basing the entirety of feminism on rage bait Tiktok videos. Besides criticism isn't hate, both genders need to be accountable for their own behaviour. You can be redpilled and still have professional working relationships with women, civil friendships, courteous interactions etc. Why do you need women? Is this really a good faith question, you already know the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:25 PM
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I love how women falsely assume any man who has standards with bodycount are the one's who can't date or don't know about how our own gender can operate. Tragically delusional. If you had any reading comprehension, I never said women with high bodycounts struggle to find partners. If you read further, I stated not everyone is looking for thr trad/chaste girl but rather no man wants to be with someone who makes rules for him that she broke with for other men. That is the literal difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:02 PM
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I dare you to tell a liberal feminist man that you were wild and fun with tall hot men (including the toxic kind) but with him, you don't feel very sexual. He'll probably be polite in the moment but will deep down feel resentful. Women are like this too so it's a human nature thing. Edit: the only time I seen liberal men respond positively to female promiscuity is if they believe they'll get the fun treatment too in the relationship and that "she knows what she's doing".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:29 PM
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Trash girls gonna trash girl. She's only gonna be in the recreational category.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:06 PM
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How many women have you dated or slept with? Good men have boundaries and standards, not everything is "shaming". God forbid not wanting the short end of the stick or being treated second best in a relationship. I'm talking about fun in the sense of being amorous and spontaneous, not prudish and stuck up where the whole focus is on work, boring routines and responsibilities. Women typically in their mid 30s show that boring side to the dudes they settle with which is why most dudes benefit more …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:11 PM
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The party girls who marry extroverted handsome guys are the one's who are still in their fun phase and tend to sleep with each other first date. After 30, they just settle down with the levelled up nerds or the plain average man whom they wouldn't have slept with during their fun years. Deadbedroom scenarios are common amongst these couples who go for the left overs. This isn't fantasy, there are cases of women who lose out on a good man or boyfriend after them discovering their past.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 11:59 AM
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Maybe not so much the angry men on the internet but defo the legitimately good man they meet in their life who begins to withdraw his affection after finding out about her past and being given the sucker treatment. The preference with trad girls may be fairly niche in the west but no man globally wants to be the "safe option" after she's put all her fun years behind her. This goes for liberal men who are fairly sex-positive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:42 AM
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Yeah because women and society at large don't rage at what men do on social media and project that onto real life too. Social media is a reflection of certain groups and individuals true thoughts - most people in real life are more filtered and polite.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:59 PM
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Yeah much more prevalent than slut-shaming and socially accepted too. You lot are the biggest fucking offenders and then pretend it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:49 AM
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Not wanting a relationship with someone is not the same as hatred / strong dislike of someone. Ooooh if only other women apply the same mantra to guys who don't wanna wife up girls with promiscuous pasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 11:15 PM
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Thing is casual hookup culture is prevalent in university environments and 20s. Most guys wanna be included in the fun but are frozen out. No man wants to wait till his 30s when a woman is finally "ready to settle" with him during her boring, asexual years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 12:12 PM
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80/20 is applied mostly in casual hookups and ONSs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 11:32 AM
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** Time and time again, redpill isn't political nor a monolith. It's diverse across the political spectrum where you may get trad conservatives looking for a wholesome marriage or a carefree dude with fairly liberal views wanting to slay baddies. It's just about understanding pragmatic human nature and doing what's most conducive to that goal. How people choose to act moral or immoral is entirely down to the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:59 AM
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People are always going to have some sort of jealousy/resentment towards particular groups with perceived privileges (these get aimed at men too). I believe women have it far easier than the average man when it comes to the dating front but they're not immune to other problems. I just take them for what they are where I too would probably behave in the same way if I was a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:47 AM
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You know the men complaining about "women settling for betas" and the men telling women to "lower their standards" are two completely separate groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 10:23 PM
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I'm talking about past eras.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 05:11 PM
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You don't rush your hookups so your example doesn't count. It's more for women who jump into bed straight away with a certain group of guys whilst they make their boyfriend wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:54 PM
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The strength of a nation heavily depended on man power and population rather than modern firearms and nuclear weapons.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:46 PM
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When you're young, they remind you of the type of women and particular clique who'd exclude you because you don't meet a particular ideal and picking the Chad bully types. As you're older, you have a "live and let live" attitude but it's just preference not to be in an LTR with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:26 PM
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Again, confirmation bias, because you ignore the millions of men who have ordinary, successful relationships. There is a literal difference between vanilla relationships and casual hookups where the girl shows her rawest, primal sexual side. The average men will not experience the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:44 PM
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Women are the main beneficiaries when it comes to relationships yet even they still enjoy hookups despite their risks. Yet this sub will tell men that they should be ever so grateful to be put in the "husband material" category and only chosen during the boring stage of her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 06:45 PM
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There isn't any political motivation amongst the pills. All redpill does is just acknowledges the current dating landscape and adapt to those particular market demands. Men only complain about the hypocritical aspect of it that women are allowed to disqualify a large number of men for any reason but rage a war if men aren't attracted to hamplanets or don't wanna settle down with a 304. You have your standards, we have ours, why can't we just leave it at that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:08 PM
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You said rejection doesn't suck as much for a dude because it lasts 3 minutes. Just take the same approach like these men and make your intentions clear from the start instead of playing this plausible deniability game. Time saved, effort saved, money saved, emotional investment saved. BOOM.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 05:51 PM
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Being autistic myself, I reject any notion of entitlement and "giving them a chance" out of pity. But I'll state that women are not that empathetic towards autistic dudes despite their false mantra on equality. At worst, they'll weaponise a dude's autistic trait when it comes to anger or disagreement and express some form of disgust when having to converse with them. At best, they'll be nice in a condescending way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:10 PM
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Incels wouldn't make good partners for various reasons but this idea that they're these "abusive misogynists" is a far reach - how can someone be accused of a crime when they hadn't even been in a relationship in the first place to commit these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:01 PM
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It's not punishment to be looking for sexual compatibility (it benefits the woman too in question).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:45 PM
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Not everyone is dishonest. "Slut tests" can give you some sort of idea, even if they don't reveal everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:39 PM
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You might naturally get into conversations about past histories.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:35 PM
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First, there are still women who are willing to be intimate with you on a first date which is often a predicator that they'll become passionate partners. Been there done that with a "reformed slut" and never doing that again. Second, you've proven exactly why ONSs/Casuals etc is much more validating for a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:18 PM
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Because men get called "fragile, insecure, incel misogynists" just for not wanting to be the safe guy who's made to wait around and pay for something that was given away for free. They're only ever picked when the woman enters the boring stage of her life. Not saying promiscuous don't deserve love but they gotta understand that their past actions does set a bench mark. If you're freaky and easy with past guys, I expect the same treatment in an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 10:43 AM
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The question would you still act on it? As a man I know would.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 03:55 PM
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I don't have to "like" or "respect" a woman as a person in order to feel sexual attraction. Physical attraction has no moral compass.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 01:40 PM
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They don't "date" men they hate for relationships but still sleep with the same type of guys they despise ("toxic", "narcissist" etc). I wanna hear the answer to that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 01:40 PM
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I had a "reformed slut" who didn't like my bodycount on the second date and also had other women calling sleazy or disgusting. Go on the retrospective jealousy app and you'll see plenty of women who express disgust at finding out their bfs history, even if they're loving and doting people. For whatever reason, women don't get the "fragile, misogynist, incel" treatment for expressing these preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:26 AM
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Female no doubt. Unless you grow up tall and super extrovert, the average boy is gonna have a hard time. It's nightmare mode if you're short or autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:02 PM
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I'm introverted by nature so I do not like getting ready, travelling up to meet up etc if there's little to zero sexual interest. I'm not going out of my own fucking way just to talk about your pet dog, your family or your fancy job position that I do not give a shit about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 10:22 AM
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No, sexual attraction and romantic interest are not mutually exclusive. In fact they intertwine with each other. I expect a partner to desire me, not just treat me as the safe guy after she's had her fun with all the Chads and badboy types.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 10:18 AM
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Women are the ones who sleep around with some of the questionable boorish men. It ain't the average Joe who enable them, it's women who reward these type of men sexually. This statement isn't about, "go for the niccceee guyyyss", it's simply refrain from having interactions with questionable/immoral men and then you'll see that other males will adapt to fitting your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:18 PM
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Most women just do not want to admit they're shallow like everyone else. If a guy is a virgin, they treat it as a personality defect/moral failuring on his part rather than him being victim to societal standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:18 AM
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This whole "she changed and matured" thing is bullshit. They only choose the nice guys after for pragmatic reasons, not due to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:41 PM
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Exactly this. Anyone can get into relationships but what bluepillers don't acknowledge is the quality of these relationships. They'll acknowledge women in neglectful or lukewarm relationships but not for men ("he should feel lucky and grateful blah blah blah").
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:39 PM
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As a man, I'm friends with many women who have lifestyles and characteristics that I would absolutely not wife up. When it comes to friendship, idgaf what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 10:40 AM
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My main issue isn't that I expect her to give a shit and have sympathy, it's that she attributes a man's lack of success to his own supposed moral failing. Men don't blame women per se, they just state that it's down to looks and genetic determinism. Whenever topic around beauty standards come up, feminists have vehemently blamed and demonised men for decades for their own shortcomings or insecurities. Only in recent times that conventional beauty standards are bought up amongst men, they just f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:22 PM
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I'm autistic but you just gotta work with the cards you've been dealt. I understand as a man I'm not owed anything but one thing I'll say is bluepill advice doesn't offer anything to autistic men whilst at least redpill offers some sort of direction/rationality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 07:02 PM
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Hard agree on men hitting the wall, I'm experiencing this right now pushing late 30s. Redpillers can cope all they want in that regard. Though not sure about women liking men their own age as I notice all the conventionally attractive women (not the wine bod types) going for men considerably younger than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 06:08 AM
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The astronomical cost and the fact you can't even kiss them. It's not just the pleasure that men seek, it's the intimate and validational aspect that a woman sleeps with you because she truly desires you as opposed to it being derived transactionally. The only men it could maybe benefit are rich business dudes who lack the time to pursue or those who want the porn-star treatment from a close hot 10/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:32 PM
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Nope, mines is 51, has fibromyalgia but looks stunning for her age and is amazing in most departments. Wouldn't have it any other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:10 AM
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Also responses like "not all women", "not all men" etc are not helpful at all which blue pillers are hypocritically guilty of.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 11:09 AM
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Literally nobody is asking for pity sex. That would be degrading in itself. All men want is just a bit of understanding and empathy that doesn't devolve into mockery or derision. Men are always framed as these "vile misogynists", "predators" or "adherering to toxic masculinity" when all they're trying to do is get by in this fucked up, disposable world. Two main examples are, "Loool look at this fragile insecure incel who acts like his height is the problem" and "the reason you're lonely is beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 11:08 AM
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Men give their LTRs the better treatment whilst women who settle deny their LTRs the hot girl treatment and only wants them during the boring, asexual stage of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 10:46 AM
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Yes they do, we all do. Difference is I do not get into relationships unless I am super into them (butterflies on a first date). I've done far more for my LTRs than I've done for casuals and between each of my exes, I try to give them the same perks and treatment whilst holding them to the same standards. I couldn't downgrade in terms of attractiveness because deep down I know I wouldn't make the same effort and it'd be unfair on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:25 PM
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Yes men will stoop low because they do not have merely the same options. Beggars can't be choosers. Women on the other hand have vastly more options so they got much less of an excuse to go for assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:06 PM
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The same man who fucked baddies in his youth isn't going to "grow up" and "mature" (fem speak) to suddenly want the frumpy home girl. Even when they do, men who have a wild past but want a trad girlfriend are usually berated and brushed off. Why is it that a woman who chases after badboys and hot guys suddenly deserves the wholesome nice guy who sweeps her at her feet. If you're into badboys, just stick to them instead of pretending that you're truly attracted to the nice guy and putting on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:03 PM
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What's it called when men say female attraction and standards are wrong; bad; and should be changed ("lowered," "adjusted," "reevaluated," "more realistic" and other euphemisms) because they're different than men's? What's it called when men call women entitled; superficial; delusional; and shallow for having looks-based sexual arousal - just like they do? AKA "men can be heterosexual, women should be demisexual"? No one says it's wrong. The main thing I see here is men just state it out in a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 11:52 AM
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In the extreme cases, guys who have some sort of gang involvement and have a reputation of being scummy, aggressive and abrasive. In the milder cases, guys who are usually loud and chauvinistic, pick on the weaker guys (especially those who used to be bullies in high-school). In the lesser cases, guys that are not particularly warm, friendly and standoffish.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 11:43 AM
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It's not that they're attracted to bad men per se but if attractive qualities like dominance or status is attained through immoral means such as bullying or gang involvement, then they're still attracted to it. There's certainly no filter on morality when it comes to hookups and casual flings. Besides, most men in the manosphere are focused more on gymmaxxing, looksmaxxing, hustle culture if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 04:41 PM
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Okay so we're in agreement that looks matter and that it has very little to do with having an unlikable personality as OP states in her post. Also men have standards too but we don't gaslight unattractive women and tell them it's down to their "bad personality".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 02:51 PM
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A fat guy gets into an LTR with another fat girl, sounds like a simple case of looks matching. My friend for instance is quite charismatic and knows how to socially integrate in parties. He's seen as mostly just a friend amongst other women. There are tons of other men amongst the progressive and politically liberal crowd but they don't get female attention beyond platonic interactions. This includes the most vocal "anti-incel" men too who are still adult virgin losers but just with a few more f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:38 PM
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Sex is the most powerful incentive in the natural world where it can motivate or reinforce certain behaviours in men. It's something that's usually earned. By that semantic, bluepillers shouldn't use the "bad personality" or "misogyny" argument against incels as that frames sex as a reward for good behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:29 PM
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There are loads of men who are likeable in general, have various circles, female friends etc the whole 9 yards. Yet they don't attract sexual attention because they're not the most conventionally attractive or lack of physical stature. The whole "bad personality" argument only works if you're a complete loner with zero friends but is disingenuous when it comes to sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:24 PM
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Having secret fantasies is vastly much different to withholding her basic needs because she doesn't meet your ideal standards. Even in scenarios where a man does treat a woman like an option, he gets relentlessly called out for him where all the female-centric hivemind will call him trash and tell her to drop him. Whereas the inverse of a woman treating the guy like an option and denying him sex is much more socially acceptable where the guy is told to shut up about it and expected to be "gratef…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 04:36 PM
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Men aren't the gatekeepers of sex nor do they withhold it so it doesn't make much sense from that perspective. Sure, she doesn't have to be the most attractive option but no man in the right mind would wife up a woman whom he had little-to-zero sexual desire for unlike the cases you see for women with betabux.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 03:26 PM
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I don't ascribe to the idea that a man goes up in value as he ages - if anything, he hits the wall harder. Both men and women should look for a life partner whilst they're at their physical peak. Looks decline with age but it's much more tolerable within a relationship as opposed to the dating phase. A man will still see his "old and fat" wife the same beautiful woman he met 30 years ago as opposed to some old and woman he's meeting for the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 03:20 PM
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Point (a) doesn't offend me and is partly tied to why I'm averse to female promiscuity. If her past comes from loving relationships, a trusted fwb who's known as a gentleman, or even a ONS with a person who's proven to be a good man - these are things I take little-to-zero issue with. But if she goes around indiscriminately fucking loads of random dudes without taking their moral character into account just because, "oh he's hot and 6ft4 teehee", THAT'S THE MAIN ISSUE I HAVE HERE. Women do not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:13 AM
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Inability to get laid does fall under the lonely category. It isn't just about having a quick organism, it's another form of rejection in itself considering all your other peers are getting it, alongside with feeling undesired (not only you feel ugly but you especially feel less of a man).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 11:34 AM
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There are many variations of Chads with certain beliefs and behaviour but the most prevailing factor is that they're tall, slender (typically wide shoulder) and boyishly goodlooking. That's literally all a Chad is where they have a completely contrasting experience to that of an average looking man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 10:37 PM
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I think Asian women can pull off having an office career without giving off the whole "boss bitch" vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 05:30 PM
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1) Even bubbly girls with loving families and good jobs will give questionable men a free pass if they're tall or hot enough hence throwing "good personality" as a prerequisite. 2) The grievance comes from women holding different men to different rules, especially making the relationship material guy wait and giving him the lesser sexual treatment. In this sexual market, I can't blame men for seeing being the "hot asshole loser" as the more appealing option.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:43 PM
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The only opinions around male preference I take seriously from a woman are attractive types. I do not care about opinions of fatties or some plain boring looking type who assert they like dad bods or femboys because that's not the demographic I'm aiming to attract (at least during my single days). It's in the same manner that feminists don't appreciate the nerdy "nice guy" who insists he prefers women without makeup and sexy clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 09:06 PM
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I'm so sick and tired of typical redditors acting like plantonic friendships are a substitute for sexual/romantic fulfilment. I'm not even talking about surface level friendship where you just go to a bar together and watch sport, even intimate friendships where you confide with your bros and hug them is no where near the same similarity as hooking up intimately with a girl or being in a romantic relationship. They're needs in the same way as food and water where one doesn't substitute the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:34 PM
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If a person's hot enough, their poor behaviour is often excused. Men are guilty of it too. Women crave excitement which can often come from low-inhibited men with questionable traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:07 PM
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To be honest no. If you're not attracted to the dude, you're only going to be doing a disservice to both him and to yourself. "Choose better" is not telling women go for some schlubby neckbeard or compromise on their preferences - it's simply vet better or don't blatantly go for assholes because, "ommgg he's 6ft4 and fucks so good tee hee".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:57 PM
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Casual sex is more acceptable than it was 10-20 years ago yet women are more pickier than ever. Please don't rationalise, just own the fact that you lot are only attracted to top tier hot guys. It may be a bit superficial but I can at least respect honesty rather than the above drivel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:08 AM
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No one is arguing it's a right where you can force or even coerce someone into it. But they are valid needs. Same with food being a human need but it's not a right in the sense that you can force someone against their will to hand it over.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:13 PM
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Doesn't change the fact that plenty of women still engage in casual sex or at least derive a sense of validation of feeling desired. Even if you take casual sex out of the equation, women still have far more power and privilege in relationships and that goes for older "post-wall" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:07 AM
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I think a lot of people in this thread miss the point. I don't think OP or any other men are salty because the women simply aren't attracted to them. It's more of a "different rules for different guys" and the fact that attraction feels conditional that most guys have a problem with. You're either attracted to a person or you're not - if you've been casual with other men, just don't bullshit and be like, "I need to get to know you more and feel comfortable by your commitment before I even kiss y…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:04 AM
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I'm not talking about other men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 05:05 PM
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1) Going around shaming and having preferences are two different things. 2) That's something I wouldn't know the answer to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:53 PM
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Yeah I admit I would be just as, if not more selective if I were in their shoes. These things I have no moral qualms about their sexual imperative. The only thing I'd do differently as a woman is if I made the choice of sleeping around and look for a life partner after. I'd humbly accept men have a right to judge sexual history in a life partner instead of crying foul and playing victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:48 PM
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Literally body states women are attracted to misogyny. It's rather women will overlook these traits and certain redflags for goodlooking "alpha" men. The main deductions are that physicality overrides morality when it comes to sexual attraction and it also dispels the "men are sexless due to bad personality" narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:03 PM
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If that's true, why do I hear, "men aren't owed sex" in a relationship when that's arguably part of the package of acting like a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:12 PM
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I ain't a hater 😫😥. I was more into the 2014 redpill when it was mostly about sexual strategy and evo-psych. I'm past mid 30s and beyond the angsty phase of my life and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:07 PM
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That isn't the core Tennant of RP. It's more guys don't wanna be in the "betabux" scenario. Nothing against having women as friends, just neither a personal priority or benefit of mines at the moment. I'm not even interested in making additional male friends let alone female.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:05 PM
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They can but it typically isn't their main imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:41 PM
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Was he using deception or was he genuine about his feminist views?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:35 PM
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ETA: if a friend of mine is an active activist against racism but says they’d never date a black person I’d also be wary That's extremely shortsighted. There are plenty of racist and White Nationalists who are known for being attracted to black women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:33 PM
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You'd be surprised at some of the "locker room" talk or how chauvinistic some of the sports lads are on a drunken nightout (they got no shortage of women). A female friend of mines got graped by a dude whom she was dating. He had a prior history and conviction of grape and assault (he wasn't some pretend nice guy either). Not saying there aren't men with progressive views who don't get some but attraction is pretty much amoral in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:32 PM
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Main logical explanation is attractive men don't seek validation or they've already got their fun out of their system so don't have the FOMO mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:33 PM
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You can be anti bodyshaming but not wanna date someone overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 11:47 PM
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Why are they. Sexual choices are different to political choices are they not?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 04:35 PM
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Literally the latter. He doesn't even use the word "fattie".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 04:34 PM
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Finally someone with a braincell who can differentiate between shaming someone and simply not wanting to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 04:33 PM
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It's the fact that conventionally masculine men are more valuable in her eyes and men who aren't stereotypically masculine are less valuable in her eyes. If that isn't Patriachy or toxic masculinity according to the feminist definition, I dunno what is. I'm only pointing this out because you're painting the guy as a fake feminist by having these "less than feminist" standards in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:45 PM
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No, it's her standards that typically derive from toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:31 PM
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Can a woman who calls out Patriachy and Toxic Masculinity yet sleeps around with +6ft guys still consider herself a feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:23 PM
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You already lost the argument when you conflate a redpill with incel (specifically blackpill). That's like conflating mainstream Feminism with TERFS or extreme Communists who support Stalin. The guy in my description isn't a redpiller, he's just a guy who merely has these natural preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:21 PM
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I don't treat women like teenagers. Just like feminism, some people agree with certain worldviews whilst rejecting some ideas. RP isn't a hivemind.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:11 PM
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Why tf are you even on this sub if you don't even know half the lingo or acronyms? Yeah of course men can be fatties too but that's irrelevant, he's typically heteronormative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:06 PM
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Based on what the RP sub actually says is RP, no. What do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:03 PM
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Women are capable of liking sexless males as a person but they sure as hell don't respect them or look up to them as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:03 PM
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How about other kinds of social connection? Parents, siblings, extended family, friends, neighbours, roomates, community... They're literally not a substitute to sexual or romantic fulfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:00 PM
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sex and romantic relationships aren't important in life. From people who've either experienced these said things regularly or borderline asexual folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 12:59 PM
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I mean you do get angry when you feel you're exposed to the truth and feel lied to all your life. That's what TRP refer to the "anger phase". After you just learn to channel it through self-improvement and just learn to accept women for how they are. This includes having some female friends in your circle, having a good professional relationship, cultivating loving romantic relationships, being more empathetic towards certain female experiences etc etc as well as having the desire to slay some f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 05:00 PM
3

Would women who hold these beliefs still hookup with men even if they're misogynistic or even morally bankrupt?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 09:19 PM
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Would you or other women you know hook up with chauvinistic/misogynistic dudes because they're hot and got good dick?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 09:16 PM
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What if he complimented you on your qualities but just not appearance?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 04:05 PM
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Believe me when I say I've experienced all sides of the dating spectrum. Doesn't matter how much you slayed in your 20s, you could inadvertently turn into the dreaded safe guy type in your 30s. It can happen to anyone. One woman's hot sidepiece could be another woman's safe Plan B guy so sometimes it's all relative. I'd rather deal with rejection as a man than endure the humiliation that comes with being the safe guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 12:25 PM
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Men don't like promiscuous women for long term relationships. As with women who don't like fuckboys or players for long term prospects (even if she had a promiscuous past herself). It really isn't as much of a double standard as you're making it out to be, everyone judges on history and count, stop reaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 12:03 PM
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What do you think when women do it to guys? Do you think it's disrespectful or do you think the guy should feel flattered.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 10:14 PM
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He's attractive and really good at conversation. You enjoy his company but the romantic gestures and enthusiasm to initiate physically is slightly lacking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:49 PM
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So would you agree it's shitty for a woman to treat a man like a safe option and to "betabuck" him (I don't mean use him for his money but treat him like the convenient option)?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:47 PM
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What if your man is an attentive partner with household responsibilities but he isn’t overly enthusiastic with sex and romantic gestures?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:44 PM
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Does this include doing domestic house chores and being a good conversationalist but he doesn't take you out to resturants or withholds romantic treatments only for special occasions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:41 PM
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Female nerds are still fairly desirable though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:39 PM
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Not as easy if you invested all your time and effort for him and you clicked in every other way. Sunk/cost fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:38 PM
-10

Not that much a difference between a blonde and brunette. A stalker contrast would be complete difference in size, bodyshape, looks, ethnicity etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:37 PM
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Bad example, that's like a girl saying she's dating short guys before you and you happen to be the tall one. Those traits are stereotypically desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:32 PM
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It's not so much about not being the first option but rather being treated like the safe one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:31 PM
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It’s obvious that this is meant to be a “gotcha” moment against women when they say “he isn’t the hottest man but he’s lovely in all other ways” Okay how would you feel if that was the scenario for you or any other woman? Well, dude, you guys don’t seem to understand that many women get MORE attracted to men according to their personality That's mental attraction which I stated in the post. he had the personality of a teapot, he would become completely unattractive to me. You couldn't be with so…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:30 PM
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What if he cleans the house and does domestic duties? Every aspect of the relationship is good but just he isn't overly enthusiastic with you physically and isn't spontaneously romantic apart from a special occasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:24 PM
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What if his focus isn't on sex as he's already satisfied with all the fun he's had previously and he just wants someone nice and stable whom he can settle down with?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:00 PM
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I would care if he wasn’t putting his normal amount of effort into the relationship because of it Do you mean relative to how he treated past girls vs how he is with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:59 PM
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I mean Danish dudes are amongst some of the tallest in the world and the women aren't merely as stuck up as the one's from UK/US.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 12:34 PM
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Again, i just don't guage redpill on relationships alone, even if they are satisfactory. For me it's casual hookups and ONS since it tends to be prevalent and female sexuality in it's raw, uninhibited, primal form. Typically women give hookup guys the much better treatment as they would the relationship material guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 12:33 PM
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It ain't a complaint, it's just an observation that affirms my more redpill view.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:35 AM
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The problem is these same women often try to put on the "good girl" facade who suddenly want the nice guys after they're much older and have had their fun. This creates a lot of imbalance, unmet needs and resentment on the man's part. Sadly, a lot of these women come from stable families with loving fathers or are well educated. They're not all these loud ratchet girls from broken crackden homes or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:30 AM
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I think most men within these circles mostly complain about women being disingenuous about their own nature or standards whilst trying to gain the moral highground (e.g. complain about capitalism, beauty standards and toxic masculinity when they're complicit with it). I'd admit as a man I'd be shallow too if I had those same leverage and options that a conventionally attractive woman has.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 12:24 AM
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I agree all sorts of people get into relationships. However this alone doesn't tell me how satisfactory their sex lives are, how much the woman actually respects the man, if she's settling, if he's the betabux/safe guy in the relationship. Casuals and ONS tends to be the benchmark for raw female desire. I'd probably change my mind if I see baddies hooking up with nerdy nice guys or even just average looking men whilst they actively turn down tall boorish guys. For me at least when it comes to re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 12:15 AM
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This is why they say women like that aren't relationship material. When you're in a relationship, there are literally boundaries that must be respected, you have to learn to compromise and you cannot just do whatever you like as if you're single. The same honestly goes for me too when I entered my relationship, it's about respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:54 PM
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Anything and everything is muh soggy knee for them. Even opinions like dual mating strategies (i.e. alphafux/betabux) or stating women are drawn to tall, masculine men will get you the "incel" label thrown. Even if you throw a hundred disclaimers that they don't owe you anything and don't come from a place of hate. All it is just human nature and questioning some of the mainstream narrative people have around love/attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:31 PM
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If she has trad values but wants to hold out for sex, not ideal but I may respect it. If it's a girl with a high bodycount but suddenly wants to "change and take things slow", then fuck no.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:24 PM
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I think standards are similar if let's say relationships evolved from initial hookups. However, how about in scenarios where you make the guy wait, is he significantly less attractive than the hookup guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:51 PM
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Wanting something but not getting it ≠ benefitting from the double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:48 PM
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It ain't insecurity, it's about respect and feeling valued. I'm not your buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:47 PM
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Sex and intimacy is something important to me in a relationship, it's why I don't seek puritan virgin types. But it's humiliating knowing as a man your partner has put out easily for other men but with you, she makes you wait and jump through hoops like a monkey and she's not willing to reciprocate the same effort. Essentially having to pay for a bare fraction that other guys got for free. What sort of question is this, of course anyone expects the similar or better treatment in a relationship i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:56 PM
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Why do women complain so much about the so called "sexual double standard" knowing that an overwhelming vast majority of dudes do not have high bodycounts or strings of ONSs and casual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:48 PM
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It's not about feeling like a downgrade, it's about being treated as one. My partner could have a 6ft4 rugged handsome guy before me but as long as she gives me the same treatment, I'm fine with it. I only got an issue if I get the lesser/prude treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:41 PM
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Can you show me the original tweet, I'm curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 01:20 PM
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Let's be honest, us men are like this too but to a lesser extent. The lesser extent being that if we got hit on by a fattie, we wouldn't be downright rude or hostile about it but I would feel a bit insulted. You said it yourself that you'd feel flattered if the 40 year old woman looked good. Now imagine what your visceral reaction would be if she was a minger.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 01:08 PM
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Feminists deny men have sexual needs far more frequently than any average conservative or redpiller do to women. They scream at men being incels, predators and rapists just for expressing any sort of sexual desire or mocked and labelled bitter if they lament at their unmet needs. Nobody apart from a fringe minority or some out of touch boomer freakin' deny women having sexual needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 11:36 PM
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If it's a hot guy paired with a hot girl, I think you know good for them, they look cute together. If it's a homely guy paired with a hot girl, I'm legit happy for the guy and gives me hope. What can make me feel angry and disillusioned is a hot girl who sleeps around and then settles for the homely guy who happens to be nice (betabux, safeguy etc call it what you will).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 11:46 AM
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I don't mean literally fight and throw hands. I mean like firmly telling the guy to fuck off with that capacity of threat. For guys who aren't confrontational, what I mean is those who choose to ignore or are meek/pleading in their response.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:17 PM
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Not even the common blackpiller advocates for that. Most men want genuine desire, not putting women in a precarious position where they have to compromise and the guy is "settled for". Kudos to you for acknowledging the truth in this shift (afterall, why go for an average guy when you make your own money and have your pick of the tall, hot stallions) but I see most other feminists who love to play the "misogyny" and "lack of empathy" card for a guy's dating struggle or just simply pointing out f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:25 PM
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Not Feminism's fault per se but they don't do much to dismantle that core role of the man needing to be the aggressor/protector. Other feminists and progressive women have expressed their disgust at a man who ran away from a mugger leaving his partner to fend for herself......which sort of goes against the core belief that men have to be bold and brave.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:19 PM
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Go bark at trad women I'm genuinely not complaining about it and I believe it's the obligation of every man to protect their woman and her honour. At least Trad women are consistent with their beliefs, a lot of progressive women expect the traditional treatment whilst they don't wanna be the traditional woman themselves (same with men who want trad gfs whilst they expect everything split 50/50).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:11 PM
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Funny how it's, "every woman has been harassed, SA, graped" but apparently it never happens within the vicinity of her boyfriend or relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:08 PM
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Funny how it's "that didn't happen" or "not all women" when men share their experiences or testimonies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 01:57 PM
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If a guy catcalled, said something nasty, someone who tries to mug you, a stalker ex to name a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 01:55 PM
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Men are not expected to be breadwinners in the trad sense though they are certainly expected to match the economical and social status of the girl in the "boss girl" sense. Either way, men are not absolved from the standard and are not having to compete with other women as well as other men. Women are the biggest enforcers of "toxic masculinity" and outdated gender norms hence why they hide behind the "Patriachy hurts men" facade. How many of them expect a man to be confident (which is proxy for…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 01:48 PM
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Ooooh boy, you should see how a woman reacts when her boyfriend backs down from any confrontation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 01:37 PM
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I honestly don't care, even if the man is tall, handsome, masculine, muscular or every other thing which I'm not. If anything, the opposite problem for a lot of men is being desexualised or not being lusted/sexually desired. I'd rather take "ur so hot" comments from a girl whereas being called a nice guy (or similar variation of that) genuinely rubs me the wrong way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 10:38 PM
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What about the guys that women seem to love that are somewhat standoffish and low in empathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:02 PM
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What are you even trying to argue with? When did I say people can't date whomever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:46 PM
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You're the one who tried to make it personal and you can't even have the decency to apologise or own up to your mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:09 PM
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I never said the average woman has a bodycount of 200+ nor have I said women go for 666. I just meant physical preferences come into play that a lot of guys don't meet and that's just harsh reality. Why are you even attacking me? I'm not even talking about my own personal dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:59 AM
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I have no moral objection with women who want the handsome Chad or tall 6ft guy. The difference is women tend to heavily exaggerate their preferences whilst men own up to theirs. The 666 guy and virgin unicorn are both exaggerations but the idea is still there. The other difference the former is based on immutable physical traits, the latter is based on a character preference and sexual compatibility yet it gets so much more vitriol and flak. For the record, the norm is not the virgin unicorn bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:47 AM
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Let’s be honest here, anyone that tries to measure a human being by what “value” they are to them is not really someone that’s ever gonna do well with people. Yes like women and bluepillers don't talk all the fucking time about being with or wanting someone of their equal. If some Schlubby neckbeard guy with a min wage job showed any sort of interest towards wanting a conventionally attractive fit woman as his type, oooh boy would he get rinsed. Everyone judges on "value" and "looks matched". Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 09:42 AM
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The main complaint from men comes from the long term provider given the lesser sexual treatment in comparison to the short term hot guy. Women wouldn't get with the betabux'd dude or even look twice his way if she were in her hookup phase whereas men would still always be attracted to the Madonna if she offered herself a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:36 PM
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Confident maybe by that definition. What girls call confident is usually tall, loud and assertive. Plenty of meek quiet men who are content in themselves and have high self-esteem but people will still give them the, "You'll be more attractive if you were confident" jab because they're phenotypically masculine or don't behave in a boorish manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 11:46 PM
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I dunno about happier but certainly more simple and stress free if I was legit asexual and aromantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 09:04 PM
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Confidence is just usually a proxy for masculine aura.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 08:58 PM
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I can't speak much about the experiences of dominant women but being a submissive man is certainly a death sentence in the heterosexual dating world. Go on a lot of Bumble dating profiles and see women place a huge emphasis on "confidence" and "ambition" which most submissive men don't fulfil.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 08:28 PM
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A lot of bluepill advice is essentially sweeping up dog shit under the carpet and pretending it isn't there. I have never seen the good goy male feminist type who pulled baddies on night outs and got ONSs. The closest I've seen was one guy who was a radical leftist out of his own accord (not one of the snivelling "pleaser" simpy kind) and he was part of the football team with the lads.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 01:04 AM
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Would it be nice for a woman to earn good money and be self-sufficient? yes. Is it something I look for primarily in a partner? Nope. Would I want a career orientated woman with the "boss bitch" attitude and puts our relationship on the backburner? Fuck no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 12:52 AM
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I know it is, bluepillers are just disingenuous when it judging on a man's looks and sexual prowess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 01:10 PM
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Broke men in trailer parks live in more rural areas and are usually more low-inhibited. The anime cosplay couple were probably high school sweethearts with the guy having lucked out. I'd argue if the relationship ended, the guy would be unable to find another (so many dudes remain perpetually single and sexless for years after breakups). The fat bloated dudes married were probably once young and fit during the early dating stages. Women are more relaxed in the looks department once a relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:13 PM
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So it's attribed by looks and sexual status. Thank you for making my point. Now as for your statement, post physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 10:17 PM
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Ermm yes they do. It's like how people who can barely pass high-school maths calling others a "retard" despite them coming from an academic background or labelling a particular athlete weak/fat when they've never stepped foot in the gym in their lives. If you're gonna insult, you better have your facts straight or have some credentials to back it up with. It's usually the fat geeky loser kind who throw that insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 10:16 PM
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Because jealousy doesn't exist amongst other groups of men or human beings for that matter? The type of jealousy that evolves into narcissism, abusive controlling behavior, entitlement which ironic enough my stated demographic of men are more likely to fall under.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 10:11 PM
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Unless a man explicitly states he's an incel or doesn't get pussy, why do you assert this assumption? Those guys make similar statements too about female sexual nature or even express a larger disdain towards promiscuous girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 10:01 PM
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Like they don't go around calling girls "hoes" or talking about how manipulative they are etc or even more punitive statements than the average redpiller.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 09:57 PM
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A lot of the other men don't specify their own sexual experiences or identify with the community either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 09:54 PM
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Most of the guys I see get called "incel" have still had interactions with women whether it's relatives, coworkers, classmates, female friends, past relationships, past dates, past flings etc. A lot of their worldview or how they typically view female behaviour doesn't just come from nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 09:51 PM
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How I also feel about the word "cuck" or "simp" which has grown out of fashion. The irony of individuals who call others incels are typically not conventionally attractive or even successful in their dating lives. Just call the dude a misogynist and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 09:49 PM
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A lot of their rhetoric is just "toxic masculinity" painted with a different brush. Even statements like, "You have to be more confident " is just a politically correct way of telling a guy to "man up".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 09:39 PM
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And how much of it is branded as "toxic masculinity" when men exhibit these traits. The problem is when it's unfettered and wholesome traits such as compassion and kindness are traded off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 12:54 AM
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Redpill is literally not a political movement or ideology in the same manner that Feminism is. All it is just a praexology that burrows certain aspects of PUA, evo-psych and a few old aged philosophy. It isn't about changing the system or expecting women to change, it's about men improving and learning to navigate the playing field. It's why "enjoy the decline " is a commonly used amongst these spaces. For the record, I do not advocate for women to "give the nice guy a chance" or settle with Bil…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 12:38 AM
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Women are far more vicious towards male virgins than men are towards sluts and high bc girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:21 PM
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Major no and nothing to do with legal reasons, women going for much younger boys is a massive red flag for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 07:32 AM
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I can see how the "not talkative" standard may come across as badly worded but it isn't as unreasonable as what others in the thread make it out to be. I even had one woman on a date tell me I'm really chatty for a guy (she said it in a rather negative tone). Some people are naturally chatty and overly affectionate, some people are silent and can be quiet cold and it's okay to want someone whom you're compatible with in that regard. As for the looks department, who doesn't want a pretty girlfrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 08:29 PM
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I don't think any male within this space complains about it, if anything they probably respect or applaud that caution. However it's probably only called out if she gives that excuse but then breaks those rules for different guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:44 PM
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Because bad people will get away with doing bad things unpunished. It's human nature. Besides by your logic, why should a common man step in to call them out, shouldn't they be good people independently?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:29 PM
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For real, why don't you tell women not to hookup with doucebags and toxic men? They're the one's who enable the behaviour of these so called bad men you talk about. I literally have nothing to do with them and there's no "male community" apart from a few niche one's online.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:48 PM
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Well clearly OP is trying to paint the man as some piece of shit who's clearly using her for sex (when if anything, she enjoys it too).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:24 PM
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Funny how if it was a reverse scenario of a man getting denied sex and the hot treatment whilst she benefits from his commitment and fun dates, it's "YoU'rE nOt OwEd SeX"!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:01 PM
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I'm more of a, "if there's real spark/connection" type of guy rather than, "what's good on paper". I'll admit I have a tendency to try and bat above my league when it comes to LTRs. I don't earn the type of money that's bragworthy but I am generous when it comes to paying for things and gifts. This includes ordering ubers to make sure they get back home safe (even if I'm not physically with them). I am willing to cook or the very least make sure you're well fed. I sometimes do sentimental gifts …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 11:46 PM
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Honestly what OP says rings true. Though if I'm gonna throw a bone, I have had one female feminist friend who told me about how she used to call out women in this female Facebook group who used to shame men for dick size. I have immense respect for her for that but unfortunately this is just one woman out of many.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:14 PM
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Presence, better now?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:42 AM
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Alpha/beta are mostly colloquial terms used to denote sexual/social hierarchies amongst men. Some even call it Type A/Type B personalities. Yes, it's not a strict dichotomy and there are nuisances around it but let's not bullshit ourselves with "everyone is equal" when men of all shapes, sizes and economic statuses are each perceived vastly more different. An alpha imo is phenotypically masculine (tall, slender, rugged face, deep voice) and has this dominant aura about him. Just as women can ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:04 AM
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I'm not in a position to judge whatsoever but from a societal point of view, premarital sex does open all sorts of doors to evil. You have so many kids born of wedlock who are raised without committed fathers (likelihood of failure, crime, substance abuse etc). Religion has always protected the family structure. Traditional marriages have always incentivised handwork and good moral conducts whereas promiscuousity rewards vanity, low-inhibition and boorish behaviour which is maladaptive to an ord…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:43 PM
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Not to mention it's typically espoused from the BP crowd to meet women organically through shared hobbies and gatherings. Going through various subs, you can't win with these people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 10:01 PM
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Noooo that's not my thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 07:17 PM
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I was hoping to finally find the one to settle down with, build a life together and strive to live a religiously devout life. Eversince being in my last relationship with a "slut turned asexual", I became obsessed again with the idea of wanting to experience the same fun/hot girl treatment that other guys got to. I'm really starting to hate this at my age, I just wanna get this out of my system so I can actually focus what matters in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 06:57 PM
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Okay but how would a guy be sexy in the eyes of a woman without the whole emotional connection put into place like casual or a ONS?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 11:40 AM
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It's freshly ironic that you got "blue pill" in your flair but still acknowledge this. Even good women from family orientated backgrounds are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:56 PM
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I dunno where you're from but when I I talk about bad boys, I ain't talking about Tate or Bilzarian. Even a lot of the ghetto boys, your drug dealer types and rudeboys in London and other parts of the UK are showered by female affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:09 PM
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I'm 35+ and I'll tell you straight up it's a completely different market when you hit that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:44 PM
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How old are you if you don't mind me asking
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:41 PM
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Thing is now I see creep often being used against low status men who may display autistic traits or try to emulate the behaviour of the confident man (thus overstepping his boundaries). On top of that, women who've had run ins with legitimate creeps/rapey guys are categorised as incels, only reinforcing this harmful narrative that these heinous men are these sexless losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 02:39 PM
1

How do you define bringing sexual energy on a date? Would light touching and subtle compliments on her looks, dress be appropriate in your books?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:34 AM
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Maybe it's part of the reason I don't find trad girls appealing. For me, excitement is the girl next door type who has this allure and this hidden spontaneity to her. The fun girl will probably have a higher than average n-count but I'd probably overlook it if they desired me and gave me the fun treatment. This does not mean I want drama, arguments and high maintenance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:14 AM
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Bruh, I got kicked out of a woman's place a couple of months back because she found out I still live with my family and don't drive (skill issue with drivers licence). That's being on a full time median salary job being good at what I do. Plus my situation was purely casual/ONS as well so just imagine being in an LTR struggling to build a future with someone who works part time min wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:52 PM
1

That's one of the few statements I don't fully agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 04:24 PM
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No one is vouching for unconditional love. Most people are not that deluded. It's more the genuine/visceral desire that a lot of guys want and not one that feels transactional (especially if she's given it up easy to past guys). If I'm with someone and I really care about them, I'm willing to spoil them and make all sorts of effort. Otherwise, I don't like the idea of buying or winning someone's affection by being their dancing monkey. That's the key difference. Yes there plenty of unconventiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:25 PM
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raging about body count. This isn't even exclusive to RPM or even men alone for that matter. coercing women to do sexual practices they may not want to do because “she did it in the past”. It's true you can't force someone to do anything against their will but it's human nature to expect the same or better treatment from your SO. Even women are like that upon finding out their bf took their exes to lavish holidays and fancy resturants. raging about “beta bux” and “foodie calls” This is just dumb…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 08:01 AM
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It's ironic how the people saying sex isn't a need and only necessary for reproduction are essentially going by the mantra of the very same religious zealots that they condemn.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:50 AM
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I had this conversation with a bodybuilding friend of mines about gym and female standards. That 10 years ago, I would legitimately be getting 20-30 matches a day on Tinder where being ripped was seen as exceptional. Now that gyms have become more commercial and popular, being ripped is seen as an expected standard where you're not that cut out from the rest. Female standards and hypergamy balloons up relative to male population around. I reckon that's part of the reason passport bros exist as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 11:44 PM
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I get along well more with women in my last few workplaces yet we're all these raging misogynists according to the rest of Reddit 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 11:31 PM
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Maybe men pick up a particular vibe or what they typically do is the "slut test" (male version of shit testing). They'll still test the water to try to push for sex early on though the difference is they'll be understanding with a low-count modest girl whereas with a high-count girl they'll feel resentful.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 07:16 PM
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Did men know you were modest beforehand? Maybe they saw you as a good girl and thus treated you accordingly. I wouldn't expect quick sex or intimacy with a chaste woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 06:52 PM
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How women should protect themselves from male resentment? If you wanna have fun and be promiscuous, at least give the same treatment to the man you wanna settle for instead of doing the 180 and acting all prude with him. Men by far and large like to feel desired. If he sticks around after getting what he wants, that's how you know that he's loyal and genuinely good. Just don't do the disservice by settling down with a man who's outside your normal physical preference. That's how you can protect …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:47 PM
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This is poetic
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:40 PM
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I don't think anyone here argues much that you don't need sheer good looks to get into a relationship. No one denies average dudes can't get into relationships. It's the fact that they admit to them they "weren't drawn into their looks" that they don't desire them on a viceral level as they would with a ONS or casual hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 03:46 PM
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there's a world of difference in how they treat you. This is something a lot of women and critics of the manosphere do not wanna acknowledge everytime they point out, "well average guys can get into relationships too!". They'll treat the hot guy and hookup material miles better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:44 PM
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Sexual preferences aren't racist. There are even White supremacists who are sexually attracted to black people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:20 PM
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There's no direct way to determine dick size though I do wonder if women look at wrist size and shoulder width as some correlation. If they filter out these traits on relationship vs hookup material.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:43 PM
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It's not insecurity dumbass, it's called respect. Yeahhh totally didn't enjoy it despite doing it multiple times with multiple other guys....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 04:02 PM
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It's only a prize if the sex and intimacy is included. Otherwise it's just having a female friend with extra steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:58 PM
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Not really when they say "sex isn't a prize" but then remain silent when they get challenged with what else do they bring to the table in a relationship (I.e. what acts of service they do for a man).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:54 PM
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When it's good, it's REALLLL GOOOD. Though it's more of a question whenever women state that they don't wanna be a freak with their partners (especially when they've done it with other guys in the past).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:50 PM
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Honestly that's how I'm doing my next relationships. I need some kind of backup or exit strategy if things go south. Not like women don't have exes, followers or simps on their cards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:43 PM
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My situation improved a bit since but I still live with this massive giant L on my forehead til this day. Ex party girls and reformed sluts over the age of 30 avoid at all costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:40 PM
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Not sure if sarcastic or not but men are motivated by the idea of sex and procreation - take that away and they'll just waste their life away with vidya and anime.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:33 PM
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Okay fair enough I'll give you that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:31 PM
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Besides sex and physical intimacy, what can a woman genuinely give to a man that he can't get from his friends, family, peers?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:27 PM
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I never got to enjoy the rebound stage just prior to entering a relationship with my ex. She dropped the "asexual" bomb on me at the end of our second date, was literally touched starved that I thought lukewarm love is better than nothing at all. Having options would at least cloud my judgements less.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:25 PM
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It's probably deep in the relationship where the guy's let himself go a bit or that there's no sort of real passion between them. I've seen couples where the woman looks miserable around the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:20 PM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:10 PM
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I share the same exact sentiment too. I don't wanna hear how smart I am or how much of a nice guy blah blah blah. I want a woman who drools over my body and acts like a freak for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:09 PM
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I wanna know too
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:04 PM
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1) Both. 2) Yes I appreciate honesty that's done in a constructive manner. I had a woman who once rejected me in a club, I politely asked her what her type was and she told me "White with blue eyes", I gave her a hug and thanked her for her refreshing honesty. 3) Big time and it was a rude awakening what women found attractive contrary to what I was told by wider society. 4) Yes of course I appreciate feedback so that I can work on myself or try to fit the standard. It's like failing a test and …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 11:58 PM
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This is just as dumb as when feminism say "everyone woman has a SA experience but no man knows a rapist" Difference is men don't deny shitty men exist but a lot of women act like a sizable amount of women don't behave in ways that RP points out. If anything, I don't think RP sets out to demonise women but rather dispel the myth that they're inherently more moral than men. At least men are honest about their shortcomings and their uglier aspects of human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 01:07 AM
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I'd argue two things: 1) Men never commit to anyone whom they have zero physical attraction for whilst a lot of women get into LTRs with dudes way outside their usual type. 2) Men give the better treatment in an LTR than they do for casuals/ONS whilst women give casuals their best prime years whilst giving their LTRs the prude/asexual treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:59 PM
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Friendship and romantic/sexual relationships is similar to food and water. They're both separate needs where one doesn't substitute the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:22 PM
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There’s a reason why RP followers are chronically single and incapable of holding down a relationship. Where's your sauce exactly? Pointing out flaws in the dating market doesn't make you "bitter, sexless and single" anymore than women complaining about Patriarchal beauty standards makes them "obese and undesirable". You don't have to be dirt poor to point out wealth inequality. You don't have to be fat and conventionally unattractive to point out bodyshaming. You don't have to be a sexless ince…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:58 AM
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If I were to go back in time and do one thing differently, it would be to heavily capitalise on my physical peek during my 20s where I had a solid hairline, decent facial structure, optimal hormones, solid muscle and a prettier face. I was initially bought into the bluepill lie that women don't care about looks and it's all about sensitivity blah blah blah. Conversely, I bought into the redpill lie that men age like fine wine and that I got all the time in the world. Women will always dominate t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 11:55 AM
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It's not that it's not enough. It's just not a good indicator of compatability. Some women could make decent friends or be fun to talk with but have a ton of redflags when it comes to the girlfriend aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:54 PM
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All these average dudes who've lucked out finding a girlfriend in highschool, coworkers, friends of friends etc, I do wonder where they'd find their next partner if they were to get dumped tomorrow. For the rest of us, we gotta rely solely on looks and impeccable first impressions if we are to seek out partners with strangers whether it be with apps or nightouts. That's what Redpill and original PUA is there for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:48 PM
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They say women should be more discerning if she made a bad choice yet they don’t allow women to be discerning because if she had different rules for him how dare she have other rules for me? If she's tried a ONS once and didn't like it, that's different. However, if she's done it habitually in the past in a purely consensual setting, then why can't she do the same for him unless she doesn't find him attractive enough? No guy wants to be on the back burner or treated second best.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:24 PM
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Defo more prominent than what most redpillers make it out to be. A lot of women, especially the conventionally attractive one's are attracted to younger men. I've had it both sides where in my 20s, I hooked up with 30 something year olds. When I reached my 30s, I've had women my own age who've hooked up with younger guys whilst either rejecting me or treating me different. Also had women in their 40s who admitted to me they don't find most guys their age attractive due to them letting themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:56 AM
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Wait what lmao, I don't understand what they got to be jealous or hateful about. I don't attack others and even if I'd been lucky in some instances, I've also taken some massive L's on the side too. Thank you, that actually made my night and I appreciate it :).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:49 AM
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It's the first few dates where men have to be near perfect. It's only after a relationship is established that women become more relaxed with male flaws. It's similar to employment where during an interview you're critiqued heavily but once you got the position you can relax a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:40 AM
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So has involuntary celibacy and lack of romantic prospects. People commit suicide over these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 12:31 PM
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So are friendships. You wouldn't die without it but your life would be miserable as shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 12:13 PM
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It's stupid for any man to seek out female friendship in the hopes of getting some. Though I also hate the, "you don't value platonic female friendships" rebuttal if you express any sort of sexual or romantic need. I'll say this straight, if you got a gf or sexual choices in your life, you can also appreciate platonic interactions on the side. If you got unmet needs, you're naturally gonna prioritise those more and friendship ain't a substitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 12:06 PM
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The whole, "you need to be good friends with a woman to be in a relationship" is bullshit. I got female friends/acquaintances whom I get along platonically but I would absolutely hate being in a relationship with them. Being a good friend ≠ being a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:16 AM
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In relation to your last comment, I wasn't orbiting or even interested in her. I was just trying to be a good friend. Even LTRs can feel laboured at times so imagine friendzoning/orbiting without the added romantic/sexual benefits that come with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:46 PM
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I recently had to cut off a female friend because I got burned out with the constant phonecalls and not having the time/energy to console with her on some issue. Depending on the age and person, needs change. Some days I really wanna catch up with a best friend, other days I need physical intimacy. I'd imagine friendzone dudes don't have trouble in other facets of life whether it be career, money, friends, family etc but lack the same abundance with the sexual/romantic aspects.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:25 PM
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Some women I click with platonically though the most part, no shit most adult men will prioritise sexual interest over some tame friendship when they themselves already got male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:34 PM
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I personally don't though I understand the mindset due to societal conditioning. It's funny how a lot of women play victim after considering they got enough emotional intelligence to figure out the guy's intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:14 PM
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A lot of dudes take the friendzone route because they're taught they're "predators who objectify women" if they're upfront with their sexual intent without the whole getting to know them and play the long game.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:07 PM
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Most men aren't asking for exceptional treatment, they just expect to receive the same treatment she's done for all the other guys habitually.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:21 AM
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If I'm dating a woman casually, I've got no problem with her going for other guys. Though if she expects me to be serious with her, make an effort, court her etc, then I expect the level of respect and commitment on her part. I'd be a sucker to do all this, essentially paying for something whilst other guys reap the rewards.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:20 AM
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This argument would only just about make sense if the dude had a history of allowing all his exes to peg him. When I expect a woman to treat me in the way she's done with past guys, I'm not even talking anything crazy like anal, anything she's done in reluctance or even something she's tried once but didn't like. I just mean things she's done out of habit with other guys (especially past strangers) and been enthusiastic about it such as first date sex or other forms of intimacy as opposed to mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 02:00 AM
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Okay fair enough. I don't seek trad/chaste women anyways. Also note polygyny in Islam doesn't have to be for those altruistic reasons. It's only noted that it can act as a sexual market benefit for divorcee/widowed women who seek a husband to look after them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:41 PM
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It's not always about conservative or religious values, no man wants to be in a cucked position of having to wine and dine the village bicycle. It isn't any less hypocritical than short girls wanting tall guys, insecure girls seeking confident men, the girl who works in catering wanting a guy with a solid stable job. Double standards exist because both men and women hold each other to polar and opposite standards. The main hypocrisy is women disqualifying men on a myriad of traits, scream about …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:23 PM
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Retrospective Jealousy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:34 AM
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I haven't got an issue with exes or even FWBs where there's connection involved. It's mostly ONSs I'm funny with where I'm held to a different standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:33 AM
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Yeah learn and grow after the 100th guy in a pure consensual setting..... One moment it's "hookup culture is empowering", next moment it's suddenly, "they regret their choices and grow up blah blah". Make up your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:07 AM
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Nah this shit is pretty common irl. My current partner resents the fact that I loved my ex stating that, "you stayed and showed your love to someone who treated you like rubbish". Go to the RJ sub and many women feel either like they're settled for or lament being treated differently compared to an ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 11:59 PM
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For me it isn't lack of loyalty or trust, it's purely about respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 11:56 PM
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At the time, marriage was my main priority, I felt so connected in every way other than that department. Emotional investment can also cloud your judgement (there's a part of you that rationalises and desperately wants to make it work).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 11:55 PM
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That's a stupid rebuttal
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 11:49 PM
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You naturally learn about each other's past later in the relationship and a lot of these things can sting bad, especially due to unmet needs. You naturally feel like, "what do other guys have that I don't have" etc despite me making an earnest effort on your part. The real question is why can't women on this sub understand no man wants the lesser treatment, be settled for or made to feel second best?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 11:33 PM
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Okay does it explain how someone goes from promiscuous to asexual? The fact that she puts more rules in place for you and holds you to a higher standard is a testament that you're getting the raw end of the deal as a man. No woman who makes a man wait truly respects him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:52 AM
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Women typically are the one's who withhold and weaponise sex. Men typically prioritise sex and the physical aspects in a relationship so they're naturally gonna be averse to someone who gives it away easy to other guys but not to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:48 AM
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It happens a lot more than you think. I'm not sure how old you are but dating during your mid 30s is rife with this treatment. I don't have anything against first date hookups that organically evolve into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:41 AM
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Exactly, she's had her fun and burned out all her dopamine receptors to all the badboy, fuckboy types who couldn't give a shit about her. The beta nice guy who settles gets the scraps whilst others got to enjoy her prime. How sexually enthusiastic they are with you is the cornerstone of respect and an indicator of what sort of lover they'll be to you in the future. This only supports my argument further as to why the double standard exists as men and women treat sex completely different to each …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 02:53 AM
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Tell me what I said exactly that remotely indicates that I lie, cheat, steal or manipulate to get laid? I've always been upfront and honest about my intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 02:48 AM
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Okay elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 02:41 AM
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That's because women gatekeep sex where she typically chooses whom gets her and who doesn't. I know you're going to say, "well that's just basic consent" which I'm not arguing with or, "well a man has to say yes" where in this case, a man is always going to be keen. The real reason why the double standard comes into play is because when it comes to LTRs and settling down, the woman will then suddenly make the guy wait, take it slow or give him the prude treatment. Men carry a lot of legwork when…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 02:06 AM
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No, I don't think women are shallow or horrible people for rejecting nice guys and beta. However, it's disingenuous for women who go through badboys and then settle for the boring nice guy, whilst you never see men who hookup with baddies and then settle for the fatties.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 01:58 AM
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Forget about walking out of the relationship, women should not be pursuing relationships with men whom they find beta and lesser attractive to begin with. It's a major disservice on the man's part.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:49 AM
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I find so many of the left really insufferable and woke, leftist dudes especially tend to be the biggest dorks. However, your friend sounds like a sociopath. Women hardly vet guys by moral standards when it comes to spreading their legs for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:23 AM
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No, it's not me being aggressive or instigating arguments. They're the one's who become volatile due to anxiety and insecurity. I'm saying it's exhausting being on the recieving end and having to constantly reassure and have these "talks".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:39 PM
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Being liked a person is not the same thing as being attractive as a man. I actually got pissed off when my ex mentioned that I was a good human being early stages - it's not a compliment for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:37 PM
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I had a deputy head teacher of a school flirt with me, invite me to her place and exchange semi-nudes with me. She told me guys like me were her type (at the time, I was dark, properly ripped and probably gave off the badboyish vibe being a young blooded Arab). Nothing happened in the end but it did open my eyes on what women are sexually capable of given the right guy with the right presence. Being the safe guy you don't get the same hot treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:12 PM
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She wasn't emotionally abusive (though there were some harsh words said towards the end). It's just I don't like anyone giving me the prude treatment or and one thing that irks me is when they dress down and do their hair in a messy bun like I'm not worth the same effort as past guys. I expressed this before and she got upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:07 PM
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Number 1 will create a lot of insecurity which will cause arguments and can get exhausting. But when it comes to love languages and making an effort, they'll go above and beyond for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:05 PM
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That's true though different guys seem to have different tolerance. I really wanted to get married but these type of women have really killed relationships for me as what once felt like a teenage dream now feels like a consolation prize 😩
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:14 PM
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I never said it's a moral conundrum. Men still lust after average girls whereas with women wouldn't look at an average dude twice in a casual setting. The only sort of conundrum is that does a dude really want to be in a relationship with a woman who doesn't lust him the same way as she did for past guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:27 PM
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Whenever I hear women say they don't experience lust in the same way men do, I reckon that's purely in the confines of relationships. Not every dude is looking for a relationship or soulmate. Women are just as sexually depraved as the next thirsty man when it comes to the tall, slender handsome dudes, especially if he has that sort of badboyish/thuggish/dominant presence about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:05 PM
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Imagine your bf said to you, "you ain't as hot and tight as the baddies I used to bang but you're just about okay and I like the fact you cook and clean for me".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 01:56 PM
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Risky no question. Keeps them on their toes and you know they desire you deep down despite certain doubts. Safe choice, you're seen as more of a nice guy than someone who's actually exciting and attractive. They don't make the same effort or show the same enthusiasm as they do for you in comparison to her past guys. I don't get why women don't see how this can be insulting from a man's point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:01 AM
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Don't bother asking women these questions. Unless they've been in the situation themselves, they're unable to empathize. They'll cry for weeks about minor infidelity as it's something that they can relate to but women hardly experience being made to feel sexually inferior or humiliated in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 03:57 PM
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Hoe phases are definitely not weighed the same. Most are red flags but maybe just about overlooked depending on the person and how I'm treated. Others are just clear deal breakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:21 AM
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Seriously dude, just stop with the fake ass apologies and cringe preaching. You're just a typical weiner trying to give other guys advice. Enough with the damn slippery slope fallacy (I'm not even a woman hater let alone someone who wishes harm or violence) or trying to assume my current position in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:57 PM
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I'm just answering an honest question and you can't even respond back in good faith or without being snide. "Chad" is literally a colloquial term for a HVM (typically tall, handsome, masculine, has that powerful aura etc). What incels and blackpillers get correct is the world will treat you differently accordingly to how you look - no one gives a shit about your level of education or your good moral conduct in the realm of sexuality. If women are not driven by looks in a man, then they'll be dri…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 02:35 PM
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How women treat Chads and how they treat average men is literally worlds apart. Even nerdy and family orientated girls can become the most ravenous sluts to the hot guy, even if he's the big bad chauvinist that blue pillers advocate men to be the opposite of. Forget incels and LVM, they stand no chance. It's a bit of a humiliating ritual when you go on a few dates, make an effort etc only to get the, "you're a nice guy blah blah but there's no chemistry" and you're not given any real feedback to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 09:00 PM
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I started off as an awkward, autistic incel. Accidentally stumbled upon the community, everything just sort of made sense and then I began seeing results and female sexual behaviour for what it was. Even if you try to disengage, you'll witness the same AF/BB paradigm whether it's from recent relationships to even your closest female friends phoning you up for advice on a guy. Modern dating is a humiliating ritual for the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 11:33 AM
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Now I want a separate thread of a woman offering genuine advice on how a dude can engage in casual hookups. Whether it be making out with a baddie at a club or taking a girl home with him by the end of the date?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 03:48 PM
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Being liked as a person is different to being desired as a man or sexual being. I had a close female friend who went on multiple dates with a man whom was very nice but she felt no sexual chemistry with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 09:59 AM
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Again, this is much different if a woman practiced this standard throughout her life and not just after she's been ran through. I was made to wait for a kiss too and to me that felt like I got it out of "good boy points" rather than genuine desire. Waiting does NOT make me feel special if she's previously given it away easily to others. It feels emasculating and insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 09:53 AM
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Hmmm I don't deny there are men with dishonest intentions though I'll argue it's mostly 20 something year old dudes. Once you hit mid 30s, you're more serious and ethical with your approach. My ex used to date and hookup with tons of guys much younger and when she told me prior that I was the first guy her age she'd been into, I should've seen that as a red flag. If you're going around with 20 something year old fuckboys, what do you expect? Even our first dates, I made all the effort with organ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:32 PM
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Hate women just for having standards in an LTR or not validating every behaviour? By that convention, feminists are misandrists purely on the basis of calling out negative male behaviour. I don't even want a young woman. Ideally my age or slightly older. Buf I don't deny that reality none the less. It's no less animalistic than women desiring the magic 6ft number or ripped men with square jawlines.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:13 PM
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You're delusional if you believe sex isn't paramount in a loving relationship. How do you even have "red pill" on your flair lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:04 PM
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Before I can value someone as a person, I need to feel valued as a man. Not to be treated like a fucking simp or BB'd nerd. Respect has to be reciprocal. Sexual attraction and valuing someone as a person aren't mutually exclusive. I have a history too but I would not enter an LTR with a woman if I was unwilling to fulfill some rights or some needs. Women need to stop pursuing LTRs with men whom they wouldn't have hooked up with during their prime years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:52 PM
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I'm not talking about the women who historically have that standard. I'm talking about those who were promiscuous but suddenly "wanna take it slow". You don't exactly have any chastity to save and the "risky" excuse is bullshit. If she holds you to a different sexual standard, she doesn't respect you nor finds you attractive plain and simple. I don't wanna be in an LTR with a woman who doesn't find me that attractive or desirable to begin with. Attraction has and will always be proportional to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:36 PM
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The high n count due to "getting pumped and dumped by players" is an exaggerated myth. They engaged because they too wanted a no strings hookup so this idea they're withholding out of precaution is complete bullshit. You can both want pussy AND get to know her as a person. They're both not mutually exclusive. It's not just about getting my dick wet, I want the reassurance that I'm desirable in the relationship and that her attraction towards me isn't conditional/transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:17 PM
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But I don't expect them to want me. I just expect the same level of respect or treatment if an LTR is on the table. I'm not gonna play that sucker again who settles for luke warm love and an early hookup is the best indicator of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:11 PM
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I had the same from my current partner who flipped out on me and felt I made more of an effort to organise dates with my ex than with her. Her words were, "I do so much for you, I cook for you, care for you yet you were more organised with your plans with your ex who treated you like rubbish". Browse through the RJ sub as well with women who felt their bf was more lovey dovey and affectionate with their toxic ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:03 PM
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Trust me when I say women take serious issue too at being treated differently compared to other females or past exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:53 PM
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Because if you ask for a hookup, it's sending a signal that you're not serious. But if you do state your intention of wanting something serious whilst explicitly stating your desire for early intimacy, then I don't see the point to withhold - if you don't find the dude attractive, then don't waste his time in trying to pursue an LTR with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:50 PM
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And promiscuous girls are not entitled to love, respect or affection in a relationship either. They should just feel lucky if a guy is willing to consider them at least if they're willing to give them the same treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:46 PM
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Yep I'm soooo entitled to not wanting to be treated second best in a relationship compared to some fuckboys or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:38 PM
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Absolutely no, settling for someone whom you're not attracted to is not only a detriment to you but also a massive disservice to the woman in question. Anyone would feel insulted if they were to find they weren't your first choice. The attraction has to be mutual, not one sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:18 PM
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This, I'm sick of the "entitlement" rebuttal. This isn't like approaching a woman in a bar and getting rejected - I am literally investing my time, emotions, money, effort etc into courting a woman and I want to make sure she's gonna value me and desire me in the relationship. It's no different to how a man's behaviour and emotional effort during the courting phase is an indicator to how he'll be in the future (whether he'll be caring, affectionate, neglectful, abusive etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 11:36 AM
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I like to be treated with respect and have my bare needs reciprocated in an LTR, sooooo entitled /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 11:21 AM
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It's not wanting either one or the other. It's a false dichotomy. Even if you're clear about your desires in hooking up or having early intimacy, they'll still say, "I'm done with hookups and looking to settle" or "not yet until I get to know you better". Even the most sex-positive dudes will expect some level of fairness. Rejection is normal but being put into the safe guy category and getting the prude treatment whilst other dudes get it easy feels humilating. I want the full package when it c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 11:16 AM
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Why are bluepillers so disingenuous when it comes to these things? Why the fuck should I have to settle for the lesser treatment whilst they expect the benefits that come from a committed relationship? I'm not a retirement plan, I expect effort and the full fun treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 11:05 AM
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Yeah early signs are a future indicator so if she's stiff with you early on, she's not gonna be enthusiastic with you going forward. The attraction is either there or it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:24 AM
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Sorry, that too obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:06 AM
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Second scenario, when men (incels in particular) complain about women who go for bullies, it's not that they necessarily abuse the women they're with but rather these woman lack moral regard when it comes to these men tormenting other men or displaying other forms of antisocial behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:46 PM
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I mean there are two different situations when it comes to abusers: 1) Those who start off nice, concealing their evil intention but then turn into these controlling narcissists. 2) The guys who's a typical bully/thug/asshole but women don't care because, "he's so hot", "he's over 6ft teehee". The former I sympathise with and I understand emotions can be complex when you're deeply invested in the relationship. The latter however just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that women choose these type of…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:13 PM
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Simply improve and have the dignity not to be treated second best in a lukewarm relationship. But for whatever reason, half this sub doesn't approve we're expected to "stick to our lane" and "know our place" if we don't want to LTR a former slut who makes a man wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:02 PM
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Yeah men should love themselves more into not settling into having to wait around and work for a bare fraction of what was given away for free. It's not about the need for sex, it's about the need to feel desired by your partner. That cannot exist outside sexual attraction and you're deluded if you think so (don't even talk about asexual couples as you can't apply the same standards).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:56 PM
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It's about indication of interest. If no sex on the first date, at least a make out session or physical intimacy. A woman (especially with a past) who makes a man wait will be asexual with him in the future. A woman who at least engages with you intimately on a first date will become the most passionate lover to you in an LTR. Take it from someone who's experienced both sides in the past year.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:49 PM
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No it doesnt. Guys here dont even believe it means that towards the women they fuck. That's because most guys will fuck what they could get, not what they truly desire like most other women. Sounds personal. Burden of performance is always placed on a man. It isn't a complaint, just that I don't buy into the "women are arbitrators of good communication" narrative and that goes outside the bedroom too. Whats good treatment? Putting out easy, sexual enthusiasm, dolling up and putting on the hot gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:25 PM
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You just proved my point. I'm not talking about the women who habitually make a guy wait. I'm talking about those with a promiscuous past but then make the guy wait. You just stated that she doesn't put out because she doesn't experience sexual attraction towards him - why is it that a man is expected to settle for being second best? If a woman was in the same position, she too would feel insulted that she's treated as a convenient option and not as a desirable choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:18 PM
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You didn't read my other points did you? To make it simple, you're either attracted to me or you're not. I don't want to be this weird grey area.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:17 PM
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Commitment means you’re in for the long-term. What something immediate does not show commitment. Immediate shows attraction, respect and enthusiasm. Having these as well as commitment are not mutually exclusive. TALK IT OUT. COMMUNICATE. Women are the absolute last people on Earth who communicate about sex. They expect you to be mindreaders who know what you're doing and judge harshly on performance. And the gall of you guys thinking those are acceptable terms, especially when you devalue women …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:49 PM
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First, my dates (with an intention of an LTR) are much more than a standard drink. Second, I don't make anyone feel like I'm owed. Fair enough if we do click or you're not attracted to me. But just don't play me as the safe guy and place me in that category after you've had your fun with other guys. It's a matter of principle and wanting to feel desired, not just being treated like a convenient option who's within someone's tolerance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:39 PM
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The fact that a man is already organising dates and paying is an investment on his part and shows his intent to commit. I know when I already like a girl from the get go from prior conversations to the connection/chemistry I feel in person. Most people know when they already like someone from the first date - it's why second dates don't usually follow if there's no initial spark. I've always been honest about my intention from the start whether an LTR or a hookup. I don't see any other reason fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:16 PM
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I don't think the men who wouldn't LTR a slut are the same guys who expect sex on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:14 PM
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Until this person becomes long term and a huge part of my life, platonic interactions don't benefit me at all. I don't groom, wear my nicest clothes, spend a lot of money, travel a long way etc just to engage in awkward first date conversations. I could do this with just about anyone else, including female friends. The courting stage at least is laboured for any man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:50 PM
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I'm on holiday so I do have some downtime. Also travel a lot, especially to see my partner who lives in a different city so I can comment in-between journeys and whatnot. Lol having one woman is a lot of work as it is, I genuinely couldn't polygyny in my wildest fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:41 PM
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Why do people assume that just because a man calls out certain things means that he's struggling? Okay I've taken some hard Ls but I'm not some sexless loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:35 PM
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M if you won’t show interest in a girl when she fucks you immediately, that’s just a hook up. Thank you for proving my point about not being honest. I'll take it slow if she has a proven history of doing the same with other guys. But I'm not gonna be held to a different standard. Expecting pussy for being a decent person is what assholes think. I don't. I workout, groom, make an effort to dress and wear expensive perfumes as well making an effort in dates. Sure, that doesn't entitle me to pussy …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:15 PM
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There's barely anything a guy does that contradicts his statements. You can want both a hookup AND an LTR with a person. Obviously there are some guys that conceal their intention but that's more to them being deliberate in their manipulative attempt than them actually believing in their own lies. You can be both a nice/good person whilst having standards and expectations. A good man should be cordial when it comes to rejection (yes women have a right to pick and choose) but not have to be toler…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:03 PM
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Exactly, sometimes I don't want an LTR with a woman who I fuck on the first date. Literally nothing to do with her sexual behaviour nor her characteristics as a person, just that we have different values and goals in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:51 PM
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Was cruising in my mid 20s despite never been behind a wheel in my life before. Now mid 30s, still no car but at my age, it's perceived as mostly negative but just about tolerated depending on the person. It's more of a skill issue than a money issue and was told by a Chad friend I was stupid for admitting to one woman I struggled to get my drivers licence (failed 3 times already).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 09:12 AM
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It was a dumb move admittedly but my rebuttal to it was imagine how inadequate and inferior a guy is made to feel when he's held to a different standard and isn't made to feel desirable. The double standard is for women it's normal for a woman to expect to be treated with respect and desire but men are expected to suck it up in a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:54 AM
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So a guy is expected to gracefully live in the shadow of her past guys thus receive the lesser treatment. But God forbid you bring up that one of your past dates had a nicer body part than your partner, she'll be wailing and crying about it for an entire month feeling like shit 😒. It's like as if women don't like a taste of their own medicine.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:45 AM
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I feel like I'm arguing with the wrong person. I don't necessarily take issue with women who make their guy wait. Everyone is different in that regard. I take mostly issue with the fact that they have a colourful history of being easy but then wanting to make the new guy wait. Different rules for different guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:40 AM
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So you do agree that if a woman is easy is other guys but takes it slow with another, it's because the guy isn't attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:38 AM
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Loads of people kiss on first dates, including women who are more relationship oriented and haven't engaged in casuals, ONSs etc. Unless you're trad, doing things the religious way or saving yourself, there's no excuse to withhold on a first date. If you're not attracted to the guy, just end the date early instead of leading him on. It's only a disservice at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:34 AM
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I hate this "nobody owes you anything" argument. If I enter a relationship with someone, the respect and intimacy has to be there and that's a big part of it. Just like women expect support and security in a relationship, which is a right I try to uphold on my end.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:25 AM
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Because you know so much about my life from a single sentence. Yeah don't wanna get flagged up by 304s with fragile egos who can't stand the fact that men have standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:22 AM
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So why seek out a relationship with a man whom you don't have the hots for? It's just a disservice and only reinforces this patriarchal idea that women enter relationships with unattractive dudes out of necessity rather than genuine desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:20 AM
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Forget sex, these reformed 304s even withholding kissing on a first date. It's not like you're saving yourself for anyone nor is a guy going to just duck after getting what he wants - and if he does, then he wasn't an honourable man to begin with. I don't see the logic in withholding intimacy on a first date. Many relationships have organically formed through what started off as a ONS. If someone is gonna take it slow with me, their history better be clean. Otherwise I'm not willing to play that…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:41 AM
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Yes any girl with a promiscuous past. Not like she's saving herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:05 PM
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The courting stage is laboured. No man enjoys having to do the whole organising for fun dates, paying for things, having to entertain etc just to get something that others got for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:03 PM
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If that’s the case, hookup culture would be WAY more popular than they are. Vast majority of men don't have access to sex outside of committed relationships. Sex is a way for two hearts to intimately connect, it isn't just for procreation nor raw pleasure. Thanks for proving my point. Still can't answer my question on what else women offer in a relationship. Don't give me the "muhsoggyny" bull either as I've had women who flat out stated to me that they couldn't be in a relationship with a guy w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:21 PM
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Sex is the foundation and main perk in a relationship, it's an act of intimacy and a love language. Besides sex, what do most women have to offer in a relationship as an act of service? Are they willing to cook or clean for their man? Don't say shit like, "offer emotional support", "engage in intelligent conversation" or "they care about you more" blah blah because those are either cheap sentiments or something that a man can get from his friends, peers, family etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:52 PM
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The difference is men who've previously engaged in casuals give their LTRs the better treatment whereas ex 304s tend to settle for betabux and give them the lesser sexual treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:46 PM
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I think it's so much the fact that women have different rules for different men. No man is willing to take things slow and having to work harder with someone who's easily promiscuous with other Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:24 PM
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Let's assume she's a good person whom I have a connection and our future values align. If she's willing to be sexually freaky with me from the get go whilst maintaining a sense of security and loyalty, then possibly. But if she want to "take things slow", gives me the prude treatment whilst she expects the princess treatment in an attempt to prove myself, then no thanks. Your past experiences will always have a price and I certainly don't want to pay full price for something that's been passed a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:10 PM
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It's mostly a meme just like "kill all men" amongst feminists. Not one average person from either group actually think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:54 PM
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I feel misogyny is often used as a broad term. If it's just being a typical guy who engages in locker room talk or whatever, that's just how some men express themselves. You can't expect all of us to act like tooth fairies. If it's believing in concepts like hypergamy, alphafux/betabux and other unflattering traits, women are just as much fallible human beings as the rest of the men whom they accuse of being shallow, toxic individuals. I just see human nature for what it is. Otherwise, I don't c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 04:04 PM
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The thing also to add about religion is that it employs certain rules that safeguards from opening the doors to certain evils. Also that the so called, "I do good things because I want to" aetheists only tend to do what's convenient for them whilst pious religious people will sacrifice and refrain temptations that'll lead to societal evil. Some people may have the natural inclination to do good but with those that are selfish/sociopathic by nature, the motivation of reward and punishment also cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 11:51 PM
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It is though in an evolutionary sex. Everything a man does is motivated by the idea of sex or having a companion of somesort. If morality was seen as sexuality attractive in place of looks and status, I'd guarantee the fitness industry would plummet and most dudes would be slaving away in the soup kitchen. This isn't an endorsement to be an asshole nor should you do good things in the hopes of getting something. I know being a good person doesn't entitle you to sex (repeated so many times) thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:15 PM
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Just as there's different branches of feminism (mainstream, second wave, third wave, intersectional, radfem, TERFs etc), redpill isn't some monolith. Redpill personally has helped me a ton with my life that most of bluepill were useless with (despite having liberal ideals at the time as well). Early redpill preached about the importance of frame and it didn't matter if you were 5'4" or whatever. It's Blackpill that's more defeatist and eventhough I do preach that looks matter a lot more than wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 07:29 PM
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You can say the same thing about the job market or economy. Like yes, some individuals are obviously uneducated, unskilled or plain lazy. But let's not pretend some things are equal, unbroken or aren't horribly lopsided that benefit the very few.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:07 PM
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Maybe just about in a professional setting you can treat men and women exactly the same. Though when it comes to dating/sexual dynamics this is where it equality stops entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:25 PM
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Guys that work dangerous jobs are probably far more chauvinistic than the average redpiller. Also I can talk about inequalities in dating without being an incel itself just as you don't have to be necessarily poor in order to acknowledge wealth inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:35 PM
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I got a partner and had my fun as stated in my previous comments (clearly you can't read as well as need dick). If you're gonna call others incels, post physique. Clearly you got issues if you respond in such a hostile way in a sub where you can disagree whilst having a respectable dialogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:25 PM
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No far from it. No man with options would ever settle for a woman whom he's neither attracted to nor unwilling to have sex with whereas many women do. Men do a lot more in an LTR whom he doesn't offer the same perks with ONS and casuals. The assumption that the woman gives her LTR the lesser treatment is based upon the fact that she's more willing to be wild with past casuals, dress sexy etc whereas with her LTR she feels she doesn't have to make the same effort whilst expecting more from the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:22 PM
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If a company decided to make you go through a rigorous interview process, an unpaid internship period just to give you less wage and more work in comparison to previous employees because they "changed their policy", would you be happy with these terms?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:02 PM
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Why are you so hostile dude. Take a dick or something to chill out lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:00 PM
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It has to do with the analogy because sex (especially casual) is distributed lopsidedly. A man's obviously not oppressed for being denied casual sex though he'd certainly get the raw end of the deal if he had to settle with an ex hoe who gave him little, had to do more work, wait around etc just to get a fraction of what others got for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:40 PM
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I'm just going by observation by men who do legitimately work hard and contribute to society getting little to nothing from women whilst knuckle draggers, druggies and poorly educated guys get hot girls because "oh they're 6ft tee hee". I went through a period in my life where I essentially put work/career on hold and focused on looks/physique and got results. Redpillers aren't activists advocating for change, they're just simply adapting to the environment around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:37 PM
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Whether you like it or not, sex is always going to be viewed as a reward/prize for a man since it's typically scarce and the most gratifying/intimate experience for him. In the evolutionary sense, sex is the most powerful reinforcer in the natural world. Everything a man does from working out, the way he behaves, making money, thriving in their careers etc is mostly for sex or a good companion being the end goal. You underestimate a man's sexual motivation. In the words of Dave Chappelle, a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:29 PM
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I'm talking about ideals, not prerequisites. My deal breaker would be someone who's obviously fat or aged badly. That said, I'd have no idea how to connect to a 20-something year old for LTRs but I wouldn't say no if the opportunity for fun presented itself for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:23 PM
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Well sexual revolution/casual sex is laissez faire as to monogamy/traditionalism takes a more "socialist" approach with a 1:1 correspondence of equal pairing. Similar to this good ol' hypergamy chart. Women (and a very disproportionate small high value men) do heavily monopolise the sexual market where the average male are expected to perform the majority of labour for little-to-zero outcome. This in turn does create a sexual hierarchy amongst men where sex is distributed amongst the top tier me…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:13 PM
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I'm 35, my partner is turning 51 soon but mind you she's objectively attractive since she takes good care of herself (not just for her age). That said, nothing wrong with wanting younger as long as you're realistic about your standards. My ideal is someone my age or 2-3 years older. As in the comments, I want someone who gives me their best years and not some ex party girl/hoe who's just looking to settle down with the beta nice guy and give him the lesser treatment - this is the main aversion t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 02:57 PM
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I used to really really demonise single mums early RP days but now dating one myself, they can honestly be some of the best and most giving partners (not without some baggage but still). Women who've been through hoe phases, no thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:26 PM
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I don't think single mums are all bad but promiscuous women, definitely NOT RELATIONSHIP MATERIAL.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:31 PM
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Dudes don't wanna settle for that relationship either. I spend a lot of money on my partner but that's more because I want to and not because I have to. Anyone who expects me to take them out to lobster, pay for their holidays etc can fuck right off.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:04 PM
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Then why is it that people will sympathise with a woman who sticks to an abusive/neglectful partner. It isn't just as easy to walk away, emotions and relationships are much more nuanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:48 PM
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It's not easy to just walk away when there's emotional, time, energy and monetary investment involved. Sometimes luke warm love is better than no love hence tons of people compromise heavily or find themselves stuck in unsatisfying relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 04:29 PM
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Because men get dismissed and jabbed if they complain about getting the lesser sexual treatment from their partner. It's ironic since women do this more often than not (especially on the RJ sub), one thread on TwoX and even my own current partner is venting the same dismay that she feels I treat her different to my ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 03:11 PM
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As I said, it's not as much a problem if she's hooked up with other guys and then given you the same treatment. In my case, not when you're given the lesser treatment. I had to wait 3rd date for a kiss and she dressed down dramatically which felt insulting considering the effort I went through. I honestly don't know much about someone going from promiscuous to asexual hence I used to float around various subs for months trying to find answers but couldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:35 PM
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It's a lot different if it started off as a hookup and then organically developed into a relationship. Mines was rules and boundaries put into place. I'm not talking about putting in work and effort into the relationship itself - that's something I'm more than happy to do. It's more the effort and money you have to put in during the courting phase before anything physical happens - it rubs me the wrong way knowing certain guys got it for free. She did drop the bombshell on me that she asexual at…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:46 AM
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She wasn't a bad person and it wasn't a bad relationship despite this issue. Girls with hoe pasts are always gonna put sex in the back-burner due to desentisation and them already having had their fun. No man wants to be the type who has to wait multiple dates for kiss (expensive thought out planned ones mind you) whilst every other guy got much more for free. Makes you feel devalued and that you're not worth the same effort. Stating from OPs post, if there's this mythical girl with a hoe past w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:50 AM
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Bet you're one of those types that preaches compassion or labels themselves an "empath"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:46 AM
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Well this bullet still grazed me and still torments me to this day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:33 AM
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Yeah no shit. Hope you have the same energy for women who have been in abusive relationships or suffered psychologically from neglectful partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:26 AM
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What I gave you the ick?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:24 AM
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You do not know shit about me as a person, my ex or what the exact nature of the relationship so don't go smugly drawing conclusions. Stay in your lane.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:24 AM
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Why is it that whenever I or any other man open up about their experience it's suddenly dismissed as, "YoU WeReN'T EMoTiOnAlLy AvAiLaBlE eNoUgH". I was attentive, caring, always made the effort to plan or make thoughtful gestures/gifts as well as my wallet. I did everything by the bluepill book as I genuinely sought the lovey dovey marriage. Do you know what was said to me once: "that being treated well isn't a prerequisite when it comes to sex and she isn't going to give me that just because I …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:16 AM
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Tried the whole "being with a woman with a promiscuous past" thing. All I'll say is they'll give you the asexual treatment in spite of you bending over backwards whilst previous guys got the fun treatment for free. Their typical excuse is "things have changed", "I got different priorities" yada yada yada. There is an absolute reason why men avoid slutty women like the plague for LTRs and no man wants to be made to feel/treated second best or puts sex on the back-burner which is something importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:00 AM
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Just like emotional well-being, it isn't an entitlement in the sense that you can force someone to give it to you but they are still valid needs. When I say frustration, I don't mean acting like a bitter misogynist....e.g. "I feel dejected and undesired" rather than spewing, "women r beeches". Rejection is one thing and completely natural though these said men are not going to wanna cater to a group or society that outright mocks them, demonises them and dismisses them. I got a partner, plenty o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:41 PM
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I don't think it's said so much in response to getting rejected but rather in response whenever it's callously stated to a man, "SEX IS A NOT A NEED AND WOMEN DO NOT OWE MEN YOU FRAGILE, INCEL MANBABY!!!" Whenever he vents any frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:57 PM
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How are things like, "women are hypergamous", "alphafux, betabux", "high bodycount don't make good partners" etc treated as damning statements? That's just reality. It doesn't mean I can't be friends or cordial with women with more feminist beliefs. I hold these core beliefs yet I work in an environment mostly dominated by women where I have such a great working relationship with them, they rely on me, I stick up for them, I go the extra mile at times to help them out etc and they love me for it…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:48 PM
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What OP says rings true though. For instance, going to the gym was seen as an exception 10 years ago. Now it's more or less a minimal expectation as every other guy is jacked and have six packs. Even when you look country to country, city to city, being average height and income may be accepted but being a tall instagram model with a high income becomes the standard in certain places. There's always going to be competition......the top percentage win, the rest either get nothing or the leftovers…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:53 PM
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I still get funked actually so try again
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:19 AM
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How is this any different to when women say, "ughhh men prove that sexuality isn't a choice" or something along these lines (it's a typical Facebook tag-group).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:39 PM
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Not many women are refreshingly honest like this one. A lot tend to exaggerate or dance around truth in order to appear less shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:33 PM
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Thing is there are plenty of men who are healthy, decent looking, good careers etc but still get frozen out. People act like incels are these 600lbs neckbeards who are pepetually unemployed and play vidya and don't take showers. I do agree that it's not all entirely hopeless but outside of the normal 9-5 job and gym routine, vast majority of people aren't leading these Instagram lifestyles and being these mega extroverts who frequent these loud bars. The whole thing sounds exhausting just to pus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:09 PM
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I don't deny the harms of porn though as for "viewing women like objects" argument, men treat women differently according to how they act/behave just like any other human being treat others different. To answer your question, yes!!!!! In a heart beat!!!! Would even give up self-pleasure and other things if required.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:29 AM
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The women ITT who say they don't care but have probably not had a history of unmet needs. But unless you actually are/have been in this situation, you don't realise how much of a mental impact it can have on you and how much it'll eat you alive. It's still eating at me til this day despite being in a new relationship with someone who's polar opposite in effort. People are not gonna tell you they're asexual/aromatic etc right off the bat or open with you about their entire history. People tend to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:55 AM
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It's not easy to just leave a relationship if you're emotionally invested, had invested a lot, or you feel you can't find any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:37 AM
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My point was that men don't get to tell women which of you is, or "should be" desirable to us Men don't get to tell women which of y'all is "decent looking" to us That's not what I'm alluding to. When I say "good on paper", I mean that they get complimented by women for their looks, have positive relationships, tick some of the right boxes etc but for whatever reason struggle to progress anything beyond platonic. A rich autistic tech-bro might be "above-average" in income I never stated a rich a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 08:18 AM
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It's not just some deranged creep or a 300lbs neckbeard gamer who is frozen out of the dating market,the issue also trickles down to decent looking guys with good jobs, companion, socially well adjusted etc. From my experience and what I see (this isn't based on hard scientific data), it seems that you either have to be exceptionally good-looking, a low-inhibited badboy, lucking out by being there at the right place and at the right time or compromising heavily on your standards. It's why "it wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:53 AM
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The whole classification is usually based on conventional attractive standards, what you bring to the table etc. There are plenty of men who are good on paper but seem to struggle with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 11:51 PM
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Women of all age groups will always have an advantage over the average man both sexually and romantically. The wall isn't as prominent as redpill makes it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 07:58 PM
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Most guys can get companionship of some sort though the lament comes from not wanting to settle for someone outside their type or not wanting to be relegated to the "beta bucks" role. Every man wants to feel desirable and a woman who's enthusiastic about wanting to fuck with you (not duty sex) is testament of having these desirable traits as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:11 PM
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No one is saying being misogynistic or openly sexist is a desirable trait though it isn't as much of a deal breaker in the world of hookups. Looks and physical traits will always take prescendance over kindness and good moral conduct. Inc*ls are not gonna get laid whether going around calling women roasties or being the compassionate, progressive ally.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:05 PM
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Being a restrained tough guy capable of violence is NOT the same thing as being a narcissistic, psychopathic, machevalian asshole. Typical bluepillers who create this false dicthomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:59 PM
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It's true a lot of people in real life don't give a shit though Reddit usually paint men as predatory for going for younger girls when it reality it's just a physical preference (or youthful energy) and nothing to do with control, it isn't that deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 12:40 PM
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Stereotypes are based on pattern recognition but not all are attacks. "Men are predators" and "women are manipulative gold diggers" are sweeping, damning generations. -"Men care a lot about sex" and "women are looks/money orientated" aren't generalisations based on attacking, it's just a part of nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:59 PM
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Looksmaxxing is more of a male strategy. If you're too good-looking as a woman, it might serve as a double edge sword - other women might be jealous hence the no friends situation and you're essentially pricing yourself out with most men. Women also need other attributes like kindness and loyalty (not saying you aren't but pretty girls have a reputation for being stuck up)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:32 PM
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Exactly this 💯.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:55 PM
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I never understood why a man cheating on a woman is treated as crime of the century. Especially the "sexual past and bodycount doesn't matter" crowd. Physical assault is much more egrious in my eyes along with emotional neglect and being a parasite.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:28 AM
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How I show appreciation: Buying them expensive gifts, doing thoughtful things, doing cute video/photo edits, showing them how to do cool things on devices, making sure they're fed, ordering an Uber for them to make sure they get home safe. How I want to be appreciated: Dressing up sexy for me and being enthusiastic about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 03:33 PM
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It isn't a prerequisite for me but obviously it's nice when they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 03:28 PM
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It's past ONS and casual hookups that bother men the most. Having a sex in the confines of a relationship, whom she had an emotional connection with is not much of a bother (if anything, it's a green flag as it's a reflection of how she treats sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 11:18 PM
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Yeah I got the same flak as well for not being jealous enough in my current relationship and she takes it as a sign that I don't care about her. I told her it's mostly past casual hookups that bother me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 11:15 PM
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I'm currently in a relationship with someone whose exes are all guys much taller than me yet to me it's a relief knowing that they weren't some chauvinistic rudeboy types or random Chads she had one night stands with. She has a picture of one of her first loves from her teenage years (she's a lot older than me) in her bedroom but it doesn't bother me at all. Despite being outside her normally height preference, at least she doesn't treat me different nor held me to a different standard. If anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 11:13 PM
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Providing, treating them to nice things, and doing favours etc is something I genuinely enjoy doing..... Which is why my standards for physical attraction are quite high as I wouldn't do these for someone I'm not properly into. Also provided she fulfils my needs and doesn't expect me to buy her affection early stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 09:52 AM
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How do you personally feel about it as a woman? I've got no issues with exes history as long as I'm shown the same sexual enthusiasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 05:05 PM
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Is he just like that in general with everyone or did you feel he treated others better and short changed you? I only ask because I had something similar in my last relationship where I justified the treatment as, "oh I bet that's just her and she was like that with everyone" but then when I learned about her history, it really destroyed me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 11:29 PM
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Being called a man-hater isn't as much of a damning allegation than being labelled an incel for having a preference or seeing things different to the average lefty, liberal feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 09:30 PM
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I don't always condone the harsh comments but nah, even when guys are being civil about their preferences or he becomes a bit more distant when let's say, he finds out a woman he's seeing has a promiscuous past, he'll still get blasted for being an incel misogynist. He's always expected to settle for scraps and receive the lesser treatment whilst he's expected to do his duties.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 08:57 PM
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He's doing more for a woman who doesn't give a shit about him than his own partner who's doting and loving towards him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 08:42 PM
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Ideally I want the whole package but I could at least compromise on regular sex.....at least other emotional needs I can get from my own friends. Feeling physical desired is extremely important to me and I'm sure plenty of other men feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 04:56 PM
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Because many women in LTRs (especially those who settle for betas) don't put in the same effort as they put in for casuals. It's the equivalent who barely put effort into relationships and don't even meet their most basic emotional need.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 04:33 PM
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I been in that situation (it's ended since) and it's not so much I felt used. But rather I felt like a convenient or safe option which no man wants. Effort is always proportional to your level of interest in someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 04:27 PM
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That's exactly how I feel if I'm with someone who's less sexual with me than with other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 04:14 PM
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Men view promiscuous women in the same way women view men who give money to sexworkers
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 04:11 PM
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How is that any different to guys who have an aversion of wifeing up women who give up the goods easy to certain men who put in no effort and doesn't give a shit about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:52 PM
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I changed it, he's had a history of doing it but not anymore. There's no infidelity, just different treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:47 PM
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Why is he a loser?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:45 PM
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If a man kisses or sleeps with a woman behind his gf's back, she shouldn't say anything. He's not property either and what he does when away from her isn't her business, afterall, it's just sex.....and all that shouldn't matter anyways.....
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 07:08 PM
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Complete stranger no. A woman who comes into his life and learns about her history after, absolutely yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:48 PM
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None of those are men with options and promiscuous pasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:45 AM
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You can be promiscuous and still have high standards.... promiscuous with the hot guys, prudish with the average men. Nobody wants that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:31 AM
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1) Because the physical aspect is a true indicator of how much she desires you. 2) You get all the sexual perks without the drawbacks/responsibilities/risks that come with relationships. 3) So many women are ran through in this day and age so as a man, you feel like you want the slice of the pie rather than be the chump who she's settling for (not saying it's always the case but usually you're expected to jump through hoops that previous guys didn't).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:59 PM
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I'd argue the difference is men marry up and give the wife the better treatment whereas women marry down and give the trickle down treatment compared to what she used to give to past guys. No man would marry a woman they wouldn't have had a casual hookup with whereas many women do. It's no coincidence that plenty of "husband material" dudes wouldn't be able to have ONS and casual hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 11:43 AM
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Seriously what meds
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 07:05 PM
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As someone who has a raspy high pitch voice, I'm sorry but I can't do shit about it. Everything else hygiene related, eating habits etc, those can be curbed easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 01:54 PM
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Yet we as males are expected to "correct other men" who are other strangers let alone our closest friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 04:10 PM
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I'm redpilled when it comes to human nature. However, the, "women hit the wall and men age like fine wine" argument is such cope. I say it's mostly a personal preference and that it makes me feel more desired as opposed to being the "betabux" with a younger girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:00 AM
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35 year old and currently dating a 50 year old who looks young for her age. For LTRs, ideally my age or a bit older as I feel like I can show a sillier side. For hookups, again ideally my age or a bit older but I wouldn't say no to an 18 year old if the opportunity was there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 03:17 PM
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My complaint is more women go for questionable guys during their prime years and then suddenly want the nice guy when they're settling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 08:36 PM
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I wish it was a, "you either find me desirable or you don't" sort of thing. Not be within the tolerable category.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:21 PM
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My ex has a very slutty past (whilst treating me different in the process) but was completely put off herself when I told her my bodycount (whilst I'd given her the much better treatment than my past casual partners).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:04 PM
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For me, it really depends on her manner of promiscuity and the type of guys she goes for. Also if you've had a habit of giving it up easy on others, just do not pretend to be the good girl after who makes me go on multiple dates until I get a kiss.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 07:47 AM
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If anything, it's usually some of the more abusive, misogynistic and narcissistic dudes who get laid the most. Go on Two X and you see the women complain so much about how selfish or deceptive their casual sex partners are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 08:31 PM
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"Objectifying" is such a dumb term. Women will also jump to bed with a man based purely on physical attraction (even with lack of personality/moral discretion). If I find someone attractive with the intention of wanting my needs met, I'm making my move. I don't play games, I don't push and I respectfully move on if they're not interested. Also keep my female friends and dating pool entirety separate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 03:08 PM
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Women and bluepillers typically push the idea of joining groups, making friends with women and getting to know them platonically beforehand etc. Whether you go in flirty from the start or try to play the long gentle game, it often feels like, "damned if you, damned if you don't".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 02:49 PM
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I reckon men wanting trad wives is similar to women wanting attentive nice guys: they like the idea of it but deep down they seek some sort of thrill or validation. In other words, most men just want the same Chad treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:41 AM
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You have not seen the amount of women who go for younger guys.....these are fit, stunning looking women. Women admit going for younger boys as opposed to men their own age because they're fitter and more attractive. Yet, we're not ready for this conversation....
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:43 PM
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1) This has happened to me before where I've been in that situation. 2) Men treat their LTRs so much better than they do with casuals. 3) Women feel extreme jealousy of being treated differently to their partner's exes. Just look at the retrospective jealousy sub on Reddit. Man or woman, no person likes being made to feel second best or treated much differently like they aren't worth the same effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:24 PM
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Is there a particular reason why some women will have a history of hooking up with certain guys but then when it comes to LTRs, they'll make a guy wait 3 dates just to get a kiss?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 05:24 PM
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Honestly now I'm seeing someone else who's so much more sexual towards me so it's all good! I'm honestly grateful that women like you are empathetic in that regard as so many others tend to be dismissive. To answer your last part, no I'd still remain in that relationship because for me sex is more about intimacy and feeling desired than it is about raw carnal pleasure. I know she would fuck me if she was in a state to. I'm not gonna hold anything against anyone due to unforeseen circumstances - …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 10:27 PM
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My most recent relationship was 95% sexless. She revealed to me that she became "asexual" at the end of the second day and I stupidly agreed (I was touch starved and genuinely looking for love/marriage). But after learning about their history, this shit does make you resentful that they'll easily put out for others but not give you the same treatment. Sex has and will always be the main perk for any man in a relationship, doesn't matter how you spin it ("B..b.ut... I got to know you as a person"…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:29 PM
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Overheads when it comes to grooming/dating is nowhere near the same as paying for sex workers. I'd argue most men want to feel genuinely desired and validated which comes from IWC (intimacy without commitment). Some other means of sex (especially sex work) can feel transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 06:14 AM
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My only (but main) issue with this sentiment is that it acts like it's a substitute for the basic sexual/romantic need with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 11:53 AM
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Confidence is how you feel on the inside. Power is how you make others around you feel. I'd argue it's the latter that matters more when it comes to having that particular physical presence that projects an attractive aura that commands respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:24 AM
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It's such a trite stereotype that incels, lonely men or those who struggle with dating are these unfit and obese men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:34 PM
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Guys are not as fixated about age as what a lot of RP leads you to believe (even if I subscribe to a lot of the other beliefs). Everyone hits that wall sooner or later though plenty of women still look decent into their late 30s as long as they take care of themselves. Me personally, I want a conventionally attractive woman (my age or older) with a slim/fit bod who's pleasant and much preferably low n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:27 PM
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No I'm agreeing with your post about how the, "just be confident blah blah blah" narrative is exaggerated
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:09 PM
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Social skills = ability to rizz which is much different to normal every day conversation. Confidence = masculine prowess so good luck if you got a high pitch voice and narrow shoulder width.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:29 PM
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Talking to women just gives off "friend vibes", nothing more. Flirting and creating sexual tension is a whole entirely different art which blue pillers can neither explain or flippantly retort, "it's a you problem, it's not my job to teach". At least redpill and PUA have some sort of substance in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:00 PM
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Sex for me is intimate and I like to feel that reciprocal desire. I don't like anything transactional. Next dumb question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 10:34 PM
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Hobbies, career, education etc are neither attractive to me nor do they serve me any benefit. Some might be a bonus but definitely not a prerequisite. Of course sex is important, it's the one gratifying experience a woman can provide that I cannot get from anywhere else. Hell, I don't even need anyone to cook or clean for me. Everything else I can either do myself or get from friends or family.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 10:24 PM
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The main issue with the gaslighting is that any guy who isn't successful is made out to be some raging incel misogynist etc. Not only are they're unattractive but they're also made out to be inheritly evil as if it's down to a character flaw or moral failing. I believe looksmaxxing is the next best thing a man can do whether it's lift weights or trying to experiment with a particular fashion/haircut that works best for you. The only women who may just about empathise with a man's struggle are th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 10:00 AM
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I think that when you see sex as a gift for a man rather than a shared positive experience you’ll always feel like someone’s not giving you what you deserve and that’s a mindset that needs to change. If a woman is putting out for other guys and not for me, she clearly doesn't see me as attractive or "alpha" enough. Every man wants to feel physically desired, not just some "nice guy" who happens to be a convenient option. What else does the modern woman have to offer besides sex and tending to a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:19 PM
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No because you should treat others better in an LTR than with casuals. I wouldn't wine and dine my hookups or make anywhere near the same effort as I would with my LTRs whereas girls with slooty pasts will typically treat their past casuals better. This shit doesn't sit right with me - I expect more, not less. Edit: I'm not bothered how I'm treated in comparison to others in casual settings but in an LTR, I expect the full package.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 04:49 PM
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Sexually insatiable with others but borderline asexual in LTRs. What's the point of making your potential LTR wait around, it's not like you're saving yourself in that regard....no man wants to be in a relationship where sex is put on a backburner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:04 PM
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Man fuck off with that lmao. If I'm with someone exclusive and giving my time, effort, money and commitment, I expect to be treated in a certain way. You have your expectations, I have mines. Just as how women in LTRs expect to be treated in a certain way by their man which is totally valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:01 PM
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Oh no doubt! I used this example on my ex and every other woman about why their history matters and how a guy feels when he gets the lesser treatment. I don't think it's right either that guys will be the biggest simps for girls who barely give a shit about him but will be stingy/frugal with a woman who shows him all her love. I agree with you OP but the real double standard is that your scenario was actually acknowledged in subs like TwoX whereas if I said the same thing about my scenario, I'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:47 AM
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I hate being made to wait if it's a former sloot who has a history of putting out easy for others. Pretty sure all what most men ask for is just a bit of consistency. No one likes to be treated sexually different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:17 AM
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For a gender who often act like they're the arbitors of morality and good character, why don't they take that into consideration when it comes to choosing sexual partners? This shit makes me cynical tbh that being a good person isn't anywhere near as valued as good-looks and social dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 10:45 PM
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I feel if women fucked around with nerdy, wholesome, respectable guys, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. My main issue with female promiscuity is that despite being spoiled for choice, they'll typically sleep around with some of the biggest douchebag, chauvinists dudes just because "oh he's hot, he's 6ft tee hee". It's mostly the behaviour and type of guys they go for that puts me off. Then when they eventually settle down with a good man, they'll make him wait around and be like "I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:14 PM
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Just because alpha, beta etc are used colloquially doesn't mean that most guys automatically proclaim themselves as "alpha". Hell, I know I'm mostly beta if I really had to be introspective and catagarise myself. It's just literally a distinction between sexually high value men and low value men with differences in physicality and personality trait. Most people outside RP may not approve these terms but let's not pretend women are not typically attracted to the sort of tall, good-looking, macho,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:40 PM
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I don't hang around or affiliate with scummy guys and neither do most good men. It's mostly women who put out for these type of guys, even as far as school bully types who've tormented other males.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:22 PM
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Mina by a country mile. Good shape and someone who actually desires you/wants to be with you is an absolute key trait. Just lol at being stuck with a fattie who's 'settled' for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:00 PM
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Flirting is a whole different art to having a normal everyday conversation with a female friend, aquaintence etc. You also can't conversation your way through developing chemistry. It's either there or it isn't so I wish that's something they acknowledge other than "work on your personality more".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 02:36 PM
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You not being hung up on relationships has nothing to do with pair bonding - you were not emotionally invested in them in the first place. I got somewhat of a high bodycount and I was very clingy, in love and simpish in my last relationship. Even the most ravenous Playboys will turn into the biggest simps once they find a woman they like. However, I never seen a woman with a high bodycount who acts like a giddy highschool girl with their LTR they eventually get into or will do more for than they…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 06:43 PM
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What if I just wanna casually hookup or have ONS? Being a good person isn't even a prerequisite let alone even the main equation to attraction. I won't deny that it isn't an important trait for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 11:46 PM
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I think maybe there's a stereotype that single mums get knocked up by the bums/badboys etc and then suddenly want the cuckish nice guy type to step up as a step dad. Or that they raise dysfunctional children and drain welfare etc. But otherwise, a lot are working hard, been through relationships/marriages that simply didn't workout. A lot want love, not just some guy to be actively involved with the children or to be provide income. It's not my cup of tea but nothing to scorn at or rip them apar…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:34 PM
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I'm talking about men in my last statement
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 08:28 AM
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Those men at least don't pretend to operate under the banner of equality or pretending to care about women's issues. Besides, the women who struggle with dating refuse to work on themselves (usually weight) whereas even men who are physically fit, caring, good jobs, try hard etc do struggle despite being good on paper. Before you call me biased, my sympathy doesn't extend to fat, unemployed losers who just give up before even trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 12:09 AM
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Let's not pretend this doesn't affect men disproportionately. It'd be disingenuous if I retorted, "well men get sexually assaulted too" to try and derail females discussing this issue or expressing their grief.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 11:48 PM
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It's true no one is entitled or owed sex, affection or relationships. But with OPs statement, it's true there is a double standard that a man's woe, frustration or dismay about unmet needs is condescendingly written off and scathed at.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 11:30 PM
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I don't speak for all men obviously but just because I'm averse to high-bodycounts and promiscuous pasts doesn't mean I want an absolute virgin either. Ideal for me would be she's had past monogamous relationships. I just want a girl who's freaky and sexual with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:33 PM
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I think the social convention should be if the woman feels no attraction to the man after, split the bill. If there's attraction, then be a gentleman and pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:38 PM
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Everyone seeks validation from the opposite gender in some way or another. For men, it's purely through sex and feeling physically desired. For women, it's mostly attention, love and receiving acts of service. Anyone man can be nice, gentle, caring etc but it usually takes a special kind of hot/masculine aura to get laid by a woman casually and receive the "hot girl treatment". I don't care as much about validation from other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:57 PM
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Does being instantly unmatched count because a girl doesn't like the sound of your voice?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:14 PM
1

It was two weeks after having a proper passionate kiss. But I was only told by the end of the second date (after I spent a lot of money and made all the effort to plan it out). I was touched starved prior and felt that I needed to at least get something out of it, even if it was just as much of a kiss so maybe that's part of the reason why I committed. It's not easy when connections and emotional investments are formed. Not every guy who comes from a "Red-Pilled" background is some cold calculat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 10:44 AM
5

I feel the same way. I haven't felt sexually desired for the last 4 years. I feel my end goal is to actually have a loving beautiful wife.....all without feeling like I'm the mundane "bf/dad/nice guy" archetype.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:58 AM
2

What's the difference between second and third date kiss? What's your take on it as a woman. Because I accept every girl is different but what I didn't know at the time was how past guys were treated in comparison which really threw me off. I genuinely didn't know since she herself was put off by my bodycount on the second date (she asked the question).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 11:24 PM
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That's the problem, it's hard to know unless you either ask or they tell you straight. For the people who say "just leave and walk away", it's not easy when all sorts of emotional investment are at play. She liked kissing me a lot after, said I had nice soft lips and I've had past girls say the same thing to me so I dunno if it's down to the bad kisser pre-cognition (plus she absolutely loved my smell on the first date).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 10:57 PM
3

How would a woman even know you're a bad kisser before even having kissed you. She told me she became asexual 9 months prior to meeting me. We did eventually become intimate way after but her drive was on-and-off and mostly low unfortunately. She kept insisting that I was attractive and her type but I dunno, I feel like women lose that lust and excitement once they reach a certain age and been through loads of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 10:23 PM
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Colourful sexual history and questionable partner choices. By the time it got to my turn, I got the borderline asexual treatment and was made to wait around and commit before I even got a kiss. I'm not saying slutty girls are necessarily terrible people but they're not gonna give you the same effort or treatment when it comes to relationships. Bodycount matters greatly at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:25 PM
2

Because most women (especially attractive girls) are spoiled for choice and abundancey. They can easily get a decent man with more wholesome traits. It's sometimes hard to believe considering how much women bang on about empathy and EQ being the most important traits blah blah yet they reward men who are the polar opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:14 PM
1

I'm attuned to this harsh reality unfortunately but if someone suggests to me to go for a fat girl, I immediately feel insulted. Self-improvement costs money as well as time and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:20 PM
0

The bar is set so low for me. All I want is girl who just puts out for me on the regular and isn't fat 😂, that's all I literally ask for and I'm willing to do put in any effort that's required.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:51 PM
3

What do you mean by "raise your standard"? Is this based on how they treat you or looks? Who's more conventionally attractive, your hookups or LTR? I just don't understand why you give these men access to your body instead of going for a good man who's respectable? It's not like there aren't good men who also wanna hook up too if you weren't looking for a relationship at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 02:57 PM
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Officially by the third date but she wanted my commitment after the second date. All her past partners have been younger guys and feeling like I was treated different has given me a complex about my own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 11:57 AM
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Highbody count man but if I'm to date a girl with a relatively high bodycount, I'm not willing to be the sucker who has to pay and wait around for something others got for free. Difference is men treat LTRs far better than casual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 11:53 AM
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It's kinda happened to me 😬. Yeah I had to give my full sincere agreement and play by her terms before I even got a proper kiss on the third date. She insists I'm attractive and her type but I dunno where I stand compared to past guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 11:47 AM
1

What would you say the reason why a woman waits and ensures a man gives his commitment before even as much as giving a kiss?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 11:37 AM
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The difference is that in a casual relationship the man doesn’t want the woman to stay, doesn’t care about who she is, and doesn’t want anything more than that. If you don’t see that fundamental difference I don’t know what to tell you. That just makes it even worse on the premise that 1) she's had more of that primal sexual desire. 2) It's not even with good empathetic men but most likely some random douchebags who do give a shit about her whilst reaping all the benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 11:49 PM
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The point in my scenario is a man making more of an effort for a woman who does not give a shit about him as a person in comparison to a loving gf who nurtures him. Despite her loving nature, even she'd grow resentful..... it's human nature and I feel most women have no place to comment how a man feels unless she's been in that situation herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 11:45 PM
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I've had loads of hookups prior to being a relationship man and trust me when I say it had done wonders to my self-esteem. The way my last two relationships ended had really decimated my self-esteem on the other hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 11:40 PM
3

Women are not all that much different. When I was hooking up in my 20s, I was with all sorts and there's data reflecting how they go for men within the top minority. Of course I'll feel validated as a man if a girl wants to grant me access to the most intimate parts of her body without any commitment or work involved. This premise that I should feel "flattered" by a woman wanting to be in a relationship with me isn't any different to women being told they should feel flattered whenever dudes pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 11:36 PM
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I was and that relationship ended a while ago. Now I'm just exploring to be viewed as "hookup material" as I'm sick of being the bf-type.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 09:19 PM
1

It's easy to not be able to empathize when you've not been in a position where you feel like lessor despite giving more. What if your man wasn't providing you with the most basic emotional need. Everyone has certain needs that need to be fulfilled in relationships. My expectations are reasonable...I literally don't expect them to spend a penny for me or go out of their own way to serve me. It's ironic how you can tell me to just "walk away and leave" when all sorts of emotional investments at pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 09:08 PM
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The example wasn't relating to sex. How would you feel if your man simped for every past girl (even one's that don't give a shit about him as a person) but doesn't even offer you the most basic emotional need. I have literally seen women in feminist subs complaining about being treated differently by their partner and it's a common theme around RJ in women. If I give my love and commitment to someone whilst they have their expectation of me to provide or serve, then I expect pussy from it..... i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 08:40 PM
3

You'd feel cheated out and devalued if you found your man did certain things for past women he's not willing to do with you.... I'm talking basic needs here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 07:50 PM
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It's not as simple when their history or lack of sexual desire isn't disclosed to you from the get-go.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 07:16 PM
2

But you said the ONLY thing you ask for in a relationship is that they put out and look attractive. No that's me being lenient. In general, I don't demand for much nor impose restrictions. I'm not massively Patriarchal. Again you’re just solidifying that the only reason why you choose to enter a relationship is for a steady stream of sex and nothing else. I do not get into relationships whatsoever unless I absolutely click with the person, share certain values, aspire to marry them in the future…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:40 PM
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Well a woman not finding me hot enough to suffice the same treatment isn't exactly reassuring either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:32 PM
1

Yeah obviously work hard on it to the point of dysmorphia. I genuinely make an effort to dress and groom for my dates (and even in relationships) so it's not like I don't aim to please. Of course I'd love a woman to find me sexually attractive. Blue-pillers are gonna call me insecure and say that I shouldn't have to change for anyone when it's just wishful thinking. Redpillers are gonna say I'm falling into a woman's frame instead of holding my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:30 PM
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If she does it habitually, then yes. I don't like playing second best nor being someone's "retirement bf". Feeling physically desired is my most important requirement, being seen as "nice" or "kind" isn't flattering in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:02 PM
2

That's why I'm going to this sub rather than RP. I genuinely feel the blue-pill phenomenon that a man can be good on paper but for whatever reason, a woman just doesn't feel it with him. It's frustrating as a man to get rejected and not being given any real feedback on what I lack so that I don't end up making the same mistakes again or even setting unrealistic expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:59 PM
5

What you do for past people does set a bench mark. I know for a fact that if I spent my money on sex workers, treated my emotionally-unavailable women to lavish gifts etc but I was frugal with the next girl, I'd fucking guarantee that she'd feel devalued and even downright resentful. It's a common theme with women on RJ subs pertaining to how they receive the lesser treatment from their bfs and rightfully so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:51 PM
0

Sometimes women outright admit that they've had it plenty of times and that they grow bored of it eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:37 PM
2

Trust me, begging for something that's willingly given to others but denied to you is a special kind of heartbreak. Women act like we don't have feelings and that it's just only about satisfying a carnal desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:35 PM
1

Send me a link I beg you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:21 PM
5

Fuck, the irony is seriously lost on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:19 PM
5

If that's always been you as a person, that's different. But if she has a history of being wild but then makes the 180 degree turn on you whilst expecting more output from you, it's something that's hard to swallow as a man. Sex isn't easy for most men to get so naturally it's gonna feel gratifying to feel desired as a handsome sexual being rather than just simply being liked as a "nice guy who who happens to treat her well"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:18 PM
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Because sex and fidelity is literally the cornerstone to any relationship aside from emotional love. My gfs not gonna get mad if I baked a cake for my homies or offered a random stranger on the street compassion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 04:59 PM
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So what's the problem if a man cheats on his gf and decides to sleep with another woman? "It's just sex" right and he's "more than just a body". Why should it matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 04:51 PM
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Being kind, loving, compassionate etc gets you liked as a person, not respected as a man. I had a damning comment about it from my ex when she said, "being treated well isn't a prerequisite for wanting sex"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 04:49 PM
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I just want to know what makes them wild with certain guys and what makes them decide to give the next the tame treatment. Like men, I wish women were more honest and introspective about what they find sexually attractive in a man so that I can work to fit into that mold (please don't say "kindness", "empathy" blah blah)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 04:46 PM
3

I'm fairly jacked and get told I'm good-looking but I don't feel it suffices being put in the "hookup category" so it makes me wonder what the bar is exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 04:43 PM
1

Yes it does, being hot is a trait they respect. If they're not putting out, then they neither find you as physically attractive nor respect you as a man. Being "liked as a person" is completely different and isn't some hallmark to achieve as anyone can be nice (but not everyone can be attractive).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 04:35 PM
1

Wanting an attractive partner and a fulfilling sex life isn't a gender thing. This isn't to say relationships in on itself aren't fulfilling when you're in a good patch. I can't just get hookups easily as a man nor would I ever dream of hiring a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 04:30 PM
2

I have plenty to offer and my exes have told me I'm an amazing bf despite my own history. I don't get into relationships with women if I feel like I'm not gonna make an effort or fulfill their needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 04:27 PM
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24 is still young. Feel like my question applies to women mostly into their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:54 PM
6

No woman grants a man the most intimate parts of her body whom she doesn't respect (i.e. look down on him like a social loser). How a man sexually treats his casual hookups is no different to how he treats it with his LTRs (even then, sex isn't primarily valued by women in the same way it is for a man).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:34 PM
0

So you'd happily be in a relationship with a man who had zero sex appeal or couldn't make you cum?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:30 PM
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Just because women don't use those terminologies doesn't mean they don't act according to the characteristics of these said men. They've clearly enjoyed their hookups otherwise they wouldn't have kept doing it for a long time. Even when you express the desire on the first date or throughout the course of the relationship, it isn't reciprocated in the same way as a past hookup. I wouldn't date a hot super model and think, "I've had my fun years, I'm gonna take it slow instead". I feel women don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:15 PM
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So now we're resorting to personal insults and jabs when it's just supposed to be a neutral ground for civil discussions. For your information, I have plenty of relationship prospects and my exes have told me I've been an amazing bf so clearly me being an asshole isn't an issue. As for idiot, I don't go about my dates discussing RP theory or talk the same way like I do on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:07 PM
3

Shared housework isn't a benefit for a either party. It's just part of the work involved in modern relationships. Even if she did offer to do all the cooking and cleaning, it's not a substitute for a mediocre sex life. As a man, I'm willing to put in all the effort, go the extra mile etc and I don't ask for anything much in return other than to put out and not let yourself go (at least within the early stages).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:45 PM
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The difference is I (and any high bodycount man) do far more in an LTR and offer all sorts of other perks that aren't afforded to casual hookups. If a girl's gonna have a past and expects me to commit and provide her needs, then I expect the same treatment that other guys got.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:37 PM
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I accept different women have different approaches. But I don't like being the sucker who has to wait around whilst everyone else gets it for free. It's a shit feeling as a man and women deal with it too when they feel their current partners give less of an effort in comparison to their exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:19 PM
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Sex is literally the cornerstone to any relationship. Even I've had women outright admit to me that a guy can be perfect in every single way but be a non-negotiable if he turns out to have a micro-penis/be shit in the bed. Knowing someone else knows about your life. Oh wow, it's like that meme, "you can nut on her face, you can fuck her raw but at the end of the day, I'll be the one who gets to cuddle her"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:51 PM
3

I think it does play a part whereas women who've been in healthier settings will still have the same enthusiasm for the next LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:49 PM
2

A lot more guys talk to each other about feelings and even cry on occasions (it isn't as uncommon as what people think). Though as soon as any sort of blame or criticism falls on a woman, suddenly these feelings get dismissed or outright shut down.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:46 PM
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How is this a logical conclusion? Women who like sex, stop liking sex once they get married. Women who are anxious about having sex, start liking sex once they get married. That's because the women who've had a huge string of hookups have burned out their dopamine receptors by the time it's the next guy's turn (in other words it doesn't feel fun or exciting for them anymore). I'm not looking for a complete virginal chaste woman for the same reason that she probably won't put sex on the forefront…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:30 PM
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What else do women offer in an LTR that doesn't feel secondary to sex? Certain acts of service you can do for friends, family (or even people on the streets) but sex is the one and only thing that is shared exclusively and typically doled out to the most handsome, masculine, dominant of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:11 PM
4

I've changed drastically in the last 5 years but my sexual appetite hasn't changed and if anything, I strive to put in more of an effort and be more caring/empathetic in LTRs. This "I'm not that type of girl" anymore mindset unfortunately justifies why a lot of men are into younger girls (nothing to do with looks or bodyclock).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:07 PM
8

I'm asking a sincere question and hoping for some women to give me an honest answer rather than sift through RP threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:02 PM
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She won't put out as much and even if she does, she won't have the same enthusiasm. Or that she doesn't maintain the same effort to be sexy as she has done with past guys. It's not just about looks, it's the effort too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 12:58 PM
2

if you're going to hookup it's all about sex there is nothing else. If you're dating there is a lot more to take in and sex isn't the only focus. If a guy is eager to kiss or fuck on a first date, why not just give him what he wants? If he sticks around after, it'd cement his position of being LTR material. Sex isn't a gift women give to men they like more faster. It's a combo of both people involved. Let's not pretend women don't carry all the cards when it comes to sex or that it isn't their m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 12:55 PM
8

Liberal guys will go on retrospective jealousy subs or battle with their cognitive dissonance. Besides I'm not talking about "no women to date", I'm just assessing that women with promiscuous pasts often hold their their LTRs to a different standard in exchange for scraps.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 12:51 PM
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How old are you? I reckon women in their 20s organically get into LTRs whereas when they're much older, they impose the whole waiting and multiple date requirement. Even dudes with more sex positive views still get the tame treatment (not like they hookup with empathetic, socially progressive men anyways).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 12:24 PM
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Most men in their 30s who go for younger aren't gonna get the hot 20 something year old girls. At best they'll probably be mid. Hell I'm 35 and I'm struggling to get the same hot 30 something year olds that I was able to attract at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 11:02 AM
2

I understand debt being an obligation to pay off but usury is just straight up evil and why it's considered a major sin of magnitudes greater than even fornication itself.
/r/MGTOW31/07/21 05:44 PM
3

Toxic masculinity when you don't show emotion. Toxic masculinity when you do show it along with passion.
/r/MGTOW28/07/21 12:25 PM
3

Doing good deeds for the sake of recognition, personal gain and ego boosting is bad enough as it is but faking it is a whole another level of narcissism.
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 04:01 PM
2

If it's stupid, things like "incel", "small-dick" of other similar beta qualities etc shouldn't be used to denigrate men. You can not have it both ways.
/r/MGTOW17/07/21 07:34 PM
4

Maybe someone may not agree with the exact language used and even if it is rather silly to call yourself "alpha", it doesn't change the fact that certain social heirarchies do exist which the same woke feminists still assess men on.
/r/MGTOW17/07/21 07:32 PM
4

Why do so many women wear such ridiculously tight trousers. This can't be for "comfort" or "hot weather" related reasons.
/r/MGTOW14/07/21 12:06 PM
1

I can maybe just about understand about not wanting to be referred to as "girl" but they just throw this fake ridiculous outrage with "female" to the point of attributing a man's lack of sexual success to him using that term. Other females outside of Reddit use the term "female".
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:20 AM
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It's not necessarily hypergamy or females having high standards that bothers me, it's mostly the just-world fallacy that Redditors, narcissistic females and nerdy/hipster soyboy types that love to project.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 08:27 PM
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It doesn't take a literal incel or some chubby loser in a fedora to acknowledge that modern dating standards are fucked up. It's not just dating in itself but the discourse and various facets around it too. Unless you've won the generics lottery, had a positive social upbringing being amongst the popular kids or you've inadvertently stumbled upon TRP, your chances in getting lucky as a guy is heavily stacked against you. Women have all the dating and sexual privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 05:14 PM
5

Modern feminists act like male sexuality is predominantly "nut n go" when they forget that men crave as much, if not more intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:27 AM
3

Prostitution caters mostly to people who on some lads holiday trip or rich business men with ample resources and scarce time. Most men crave authentic intimacy which paid prostitution doesn't provide and not everyone has loose morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:25 AM
0

Well mostly the fault of Feminism due to their influence in the breakdown of family unit and derision of masculinity. Women are rarely honest to a guy's face about what they find attractive and ultimately lead them down the wrong path with bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:22 PM
1

At least a little bit of compassion or acknowledgment is a breath of fresh air rather than platitudinous crap about how "looks don't matter" or the victim-blaming gaslighting such as "it's because you're a bad person with a terrible personality". At least it can open up to feminists being less hostile to young men, holding women more accountable for treating low-status men like dirt (and rewarding Chad's/Tyrone's "toxic behaviour") and cultivating young men into gymming, grooming, having strong …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:08 PM
1

Thanks my man!
/r/MGTOW205/06/21 10:58 AM
2

I remember the Tumblr artist who was bullied to near suicide because she drew the fat Steven Universe characters to be thinner.
/r/MGTOW04/06/21 09:19 AM
1

May I ask how you made that money if it isn't too intrusive?
/r/MGTOW204/06/21 09:06 AM
3

Exactly, this is just fan art merely projecting your own fantasy and sense of identity onto a character. Changing the original characters however to pander to SJW is a much bigger problem.
/r/MGTOW04/06/21 08:05 AM
8

Yeah this shit offends me to no-end. I enjoy gymming, having certain masculine ideals etc, I don't need my existence being pathologised or have my mind put under the microscope like some lab rat. There are honestly a myriad of contributing factors as to why a lot of guys have mental health/self-esteem problems other than muh toxic masculinity.
/r/MensRights28/05/21 10:21 PM
1

Same here, the comfort standard of living has been facilitated mostly by the ingenuity of men yet you're constantly being harped about how evil they are due to a very very small minority (some of whom come from single mum backgrounds or who other women sexually reward). So many men perform righteous deeds with no tangible rewards or even social punishments (ostracizion, loss of status etc).
/r/MensRights28/05/21 10:00 PM
3

Any sort of anguish or frustration I've had either in the past or now get immediately dismissed, shut down, laughed at etc by women + soys whilst I get gaslighted. There comes a point where you just realise that anyone other than maybe your closest friends do not give a fuck about your problems or are interested in listening to you vent. I don't expect anyone to help me out or be some sort of saviour but if they're gonna be so insistent on being "emotionally open", then they have gotta be able t…
/r/MensRights28/05/21 09:08 PM
3

He seems like a humble, well-mannered guy with an amicable amount of knowledge. Which is a shame since he got fired from FB and hounded down on Twitter being called all sorts of derogatory racial slurs just because he dared question the lefty narrative.
/r/MGTOW28/05/21 03:34 PM
2

And if he was upfront about wanting sex from the start, he'd still be called creepy. He decided to try to take the most diplomatic approach and bounce when it didn't work out for him. Either way, you just can't win.
/r/MGTOW27/05/21 10:09 AM
4

They should just have a female only space for gaming and just shut up about muh harassment and muh misogyny
/r/MGTOW27/05/21 09:58 AM
1

There's a Hadith which stands out here. "Oh Ibn Masood from the signs and conditions of the Hour is that people will trust treacherous people and they will consider trustworthy people treacherous The truthful one will be called a liar and the one telling a lie will be called truthful."
/r/MGTOW26/05/21 01:06 PM
2

Saudi Arabia, Malaysia and Turkey seem like decent places though.
/r/MGTOW24/05/21 01:41 PM
3

Any "modern woman" who talks about being strong and confident and guys supposedly being intimidated by her. We all know it's not true and being a rude and arrogant bitch is not synonymous with it.
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 08:55 AM
2

I have had unwanted conversions before on public transportation and as annoying as it can be at times, it's literally nothing to feel oppressed about and the old people who engage with you are mostly lonely people looking for company. It's true you gotta sympathise with them over being slightly inconvenienced during that brief moment.
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 10:52 AM
2

I don't have a problem with it as it's women and thots being the main consumers rather than simps and lonely dudes.
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 10:42 AM
2

It's literally the same cunts who scream, belittle and mistake rude, conceited behaviour as "being confident" and that any man who's put off by it is "intimidated by strong women". "B..b-but toxic masculinity is a set off ideals which are harmful to men and that they should be themselves" - says the cunts who exhibit self-destructive behaviour, unnatural in their demeanor and take the vessel of whatever petty social trend is fed into them.
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 09:08 AM
1

Are they as authitarian as the feminists in North America and UK?
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 11:35 PM
7

At this point, it doesn't surprise me anymore when you get your typical emasculate, low-testosterone males resorting to simping behaviour but I dunno how you see it in a sharp-looking black guy.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 11:30 PM
2

Or maybe we just get tons of shit with little-to-zero moral support and that anyone would reach their breaking point. Or that sometimes aggression can be the last resort because even when I'm calm and polite to some women, they can be extremely nasty and sneering towards me. As for this whole masculine paradigm, why is it that these studies never address the sheer fact that it's mostly women who confine men to these standards to the first place.
/r/MGTOW09/02/21 08:07 AM
5

It's just the whole typical "women make fun out of autistic gamers and engineers until they their hobbies finally bare tangible fruit and they're decrying sexism over not getting their so called fair share" scenario.
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 06:29 AM
14

Just a shaming tactic for anyone who has a drop more testosterone and backbone than a supplicating tooth-fairy. Or a man trying to adhere to the so called "narrow heteronormative standards" that the same women have set on them in the first place. Women essentially vote with their pussy.
/r/MGTOW02/02/21 09:30 PM
5

Stockholm syndrome and being ensnared in a psychological prison. Simps would easily choose a loving relationship or free sex if they had the means and opportunity. This isn't the rich businessman paying for a niche fetish, this is some socially-stunted dude who craves the most basic human interaction from a girl.
/r/MGTOW02/02/21 02:07 PM
4

That's like some slimey businessman going to some deprived third world country for cheap child labour and calling himself an "entrepreneur".
/r/MGTOW02/02/21 01:16 PM
1

Bad girls didn't pretend to be paragons or claim the moral highground against other men
/r/MGTOW19/01/21 09:04 PM
1

Nestle recently released coffee decorated with all the gender symbols as well as the made up one's. Kinda ironic given their track record on business ethics as well.
/r/MGTOW19/01/21 04:09 PM
1

Link me the opinion?
/r/MGTOW19/01/21 02:17 PM
2

Physics though I guess that I really have to brush up on my programming skills if I really want to prove myself out there.
/r/MGTOW18/01/21 12:22 PM
2

I think it already is in places like Australia. Rather than accept that there are consequences to their actions, they're gonna play the discrimination card and to me, it reflects poorly on their work ethic as well as their morality.
/r/MGTOW18/01/21 12:20 AM
3

Thank you brother, I'm glad others are taken an interest in Islam but last thing I want is for it to become a double-edged sword where others distort the Deen just to fuel their misogynistic-filled fantasies. Of course a lot of modern women are insane and feminism is a poisonous idealogy but last thing I want is to use the deen of Allah SWT in a corrupt way.
/r/MGTOW18/01/21 12:04 AM
1

I'm not trying to put others off from pursuing a degree as I'm most probably an outlier in that scenario
/r/MGTOW17/01/21 10:33 PM
2

I've had a STEM masters for almost a decade now and unfortunately couldn't materialise it into anything useful during that time period. Can anyone offer advice on how to get a good highpaying job out of it?
/r/MGTOW17/01/21 10:32 PM
4

It makes me think if women would honestly do the same for a man if the genders were reversed.
/r/MGTOW16/01/21 03:39 PM
1

If this is supposed to be some backlash to abortion, they are literally both false equivilancies.
/r/MGTOW13/01/21 03:50 PM
4

Is there a link or did this get removed by mods? I really wanna see the comments
/r/MGTOW11/01/21 02:21 AM
1

This was a 4Chan prank though there's probably a few insane nutcases who buy into this rhetoric
/r/MGTOW31/12/20 06:48 PM
2

Bruh, I genuinely thought this was a Western nation but I'd never have expected this shit to go down in Algeria. A massive time of fitnah if you're a 21st Century male unfortunately
/r/MGTOW15/12/20 01:33 PM
2

As a man according to them, you aren't allowed to show anger, convey sexual interest, engage in locker room talk, call women out for their wrongdoings, show pride in your strength or strive towards similar ideals, show dissent in any sort of way, show confidence or even lack of confidence, you're expected to always be open with your feelings but slated for emotional labour, told to be sensitive but derided if you turn out to be a "nice guy". But sure, it's traditional masculinity that's restrict…
/r/MGTOW13/12/20 07:44 PM
14

I used to want a girl who liked Pokémon as much as me. Now, these type of girls are just absolute red-flags
/r/MGTOW02/12/20 01:46 PM
2

I'm not saying these guys don't exist but rather saying the term gets used loosely.
/r/MGTOW24/11/20 09:49 AM
2

"He listened to my problems, bought me flowers and treated me to a date as a means to win me over, WHAT AN ASSHOLE!!!!"
/r/MGTOW23/11/20 09:23 PM
4

When's the last time a woman's sacrificed a large portion of her wealth, her status or even her sexual prowess etc for the sake of serving the greater good? Even then, what exactly is their definition of being moral? A lot of the times they do "good" is usually when it's convenient for them or if they stand to gain something from it.
/r/MGTOW21/10/20 12:34 PM
1

Women claim they don't want their worth being tied to their bodies yet telling them to dress modestly is like you're taking all their power and self-worth away. I get my dick operates differently to my mind though the more modest a woman is, the more I'll genuinely respect her (even if she's not the brightest bulb in the room)
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 12:05 PM
5

I have never understood why women have got such a huge problem with dress codes and behave so entitled like you're cutting off their oxygen supply. I've had a body that one could argubly be proud of, I remember attending a class with my tank top and the female teacher pull me aside to ask me to wear something more appropriate - and I complied without giving an argument once. There is a time and place for everything to act and dress like a whore (which preferably should be never except in the pre…
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 09:16 PM
1

I remember her post about tattoo-less, debt free virgins that triggered everyone 😂. If only she wasn't a devoted polytheist -_-
/r/MuslimRedPill21/06/20 11:34 PM
2

Brother Daniel's video on Muslim Whiteknights is also really hilarious if you haven't already seen it.
/r/MuslimRedPill17/06/20 10:23 PM
1

She's 21 Marsh'Allah, which is still a really young age and hasn't given away her best years. So I reckon she's really genuine about her remorse, shows humbleness and isn't one of those screechy, entitled postwall women who act like they deserve the stable guy. I don't like promiscuous women as much as the next person but honestly, may Allah (SWT) forgive her, guide her and bless her with a good man and stable marriage so let's not be harsh brothers.
/r/MuslimRedPill16/06/20 04:37 PM
2

That's the problem of "sexual freedom". Analogous to laissez-faire, free-market capitalism, female hypergamy is absolutely rampant when there are zero constraints and that it facilitates a looks-based caste system where hardworking/niceguy behaviour gets you punished whilst brutish/degenerate behaviour gets rewarded. It causes a lot of fitnah that can rupture the fabrics of society and tear down the family unit. Having a steep heiriarchy and a lopsided sexual market destabilises the system and y…
/r/MuslimRedPill16/06/20 04:22 PM
3

From Islamqa **“As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great” [al-Nisa’ 4:34] If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the co…
/r/MuslimRedPill15/06/20 09:11 PM
1

I'm wondering how Islam tackles autism, aspergers etc that can breed a group of alienated and angry men.
/r/MuslimRedPill15/06/20 01:34 PM
1

Even if your parents are emotionally abusiven and difficult, harsh reality is that you still gotta obey and be good to them. If not for your conscience, at least for the sake of Allah and having an easier route to Jannah.
/r/MuslimRedPill15/06/20 12:40 PM
1

I didn't mean the degeneracy originated from black people themselves but rather they've really adopted it hard. I know Africans are so much different to Western black people and it's sad to see Arab/Muslim boys adopt the "gangsta" mindset too.
/r/MuslimRedPill04/06/20 05:44 AM
2

I can't stand the "HEDINDUNUFFIN" crowd as much as anyone else but I think the main point to take from this is that everyone is entitled to due-process where some white criminals/murderers haven't been under much restrained in comparison.
/r/MuslimRedPill04/06/20 04:42 AM
1

Black culture is soo degenerate and they too aren't infallible or immune to criticism. But what is undeniable is the problems they've dealt with such as past slavery, segregation, "war on drugs" that have torn and destroyed families and lead to the problems they deal today. Black Muslims I consider my brothers and I do genuinely feel sorry for the really decent black folk who do get given a bad name.
/r/MuslimRedPill04/06/20 04:33 AM
1

Don't forget the agenda of BLM and who runs the organisations. It's ran by Marxist feminists and trannies who are trying to feminise black men and make homosexuality a a central part of their culture (which the destruction of the family unit has unironically been a contributing factor to these problems).
/r/MuslimRedPill04/06/20 04:27 AM
1

It's scary that I've taken out a student loan long ago and now I'm deeply regretting these actions. I'm gonna struggle to pay them off and I hope that I do not die in the state of debt :-/. May Allah forgive me and help me find a way out
/r/MuslimRedPill01/06/20 04:56 AM
1

Excuse me if I'm wrong but if she's a virgin, isn't she allowed to marry with the father's permission. But if she isn't a virgin, then she's allowed to marry whomever?
/r/MuslimRedPill26/05/20 10:58 PM
1

Human nature is quite ugly and primitive in its rawest form but Allah SWT had sent down the prophets and the holy Qur'an used to send warnings and provide moral guidance to keep us in check.
/r/MuslimRedPill23/05/20 05:03 PM
2

Feminists will either give banal advice like "just be confident" or "lower advice" or will scowl at him saying, "UR NOT ENTITLED TO SEX!!11", "you've got a toxic attitude" etc. These are the type of men feminists upbring into this world.
/r/MuslimRedPill22/05/20 08:36 PM
2

It's a shame really. Even I find the normal treatment of incels to be abhorent and disgusting.
/r/MuslimRedPill21/05/20 09:12 PM
2

Problem is that chastity amongst men is so heavily looked down upon in society. A lot of men become obsessed with the idea of sex because it's attributed to his worth, status or even a metric to his manhood.
/r/MuslimRedPill21/05/20 07:51 PM
1

I have never seen men who complain about needing to remain chaste despite having a much higher sexdrive and testosterone.
/r/MuslimRedPill21/05/20 07:01 AM
1

I can't remember the exact phrasing but it was narrated somewhere that on the day of judgement, each generation/nation will come one after the other, accusing the predecessor of leading them astray and asking Allah (swt) to double their punishment. Allah (swt) will then accuse them of being arrogant and asking them if they were exposed to the truth but defiantly rejecting it. May our lord have mercy on us all
/r/MuslimRedPill19/05/20 01:21 AM
1

Maybe free market but not in the western sense. From my knowledge (although rather limited), riba is strictly forbidden and the business you conduct has to be halal like not selling alcohol or monetising sex and music. I'm only asking cause I live in the UK and I see a lot of Muslims who abhor conservative governments like the Tories (that's even before Boris Johnson's questionable comments). I wanna believe in what's right, Allah knows best.
/r/MuslimRedPill18/05/20 10:27 PM
1

Islam is defo not a religion for feminism, LGBT and all that nonsense but I don't think Sharia is libertarian though. You have hadud punishments and such to deter degenerate behaviour and fitna via apostasy?
/r/MuslimRedPill18/05/20 10:17 PM
1

I genuinely wondered what the general consensus is on the Sharia economy? We certainly have a duty to look after the poor and vulnerable but your average socialist type are quite aggressive when it comes to billionaires (as long as they donate their fair share to charity, they should have no obligation to pay extra in taxes towards some bs government program)
/r/MuslimRedPill18/05/20 10:05 PM
3

The sexual revolution has singlehandedly destroyed the virtues of piety. Just look at memes where chaste, religious men are depicted as "squares", "nice guy TMs" etc where another man can be a brutish thug and is still regarded highly by the so called "toxic masculinity"- hating females
/r/MuslimRedPill18/05/20 09:56 PM
2

If a guy exhibited these traits, you know they'd bang on about "toxic masculinity".
/r/MGTOW14/04/20 08:15 PM
4

It would've been sweet karma if that was true. As find as she may admittedly be, I do hope for the day when all these simps finally wake up and stop supplicating her and others like her.
/r/MGTOW10/04/20 07:52 PM
5

No way that's the same girl
/r/MGTOW10/04/20 07:35 PM
1

Whilst I believe MGTOW serves as an awakening, a think finding a one a in a million woman (I'm talking statistical outliers) can transform a man. Grants him a higher purpose to cultivate other than his own needs and the natural instinct to look after your wife and offspring. Not saying it's always the case unfortunately but a good woman can bring out the best in you whereas whores just makes me more cynical.
/r/MGTOW07/04/20 03:32 PM
1

She sounds like a control freak. Call her out and tell her that her actions are no more different to that of a narcissistic abuser
/r/MGTOW07/04/20 03:21 PM
5

Meanwhile, men are growing increasingly more docile and submissive because we're taught that "muscles are for douchebags" and that "masculinity is toxic".
/r/BlackPillScience02/04/20 03:08 PM
1

I mean, anyone can get raped regardless of clothing and it tends to be perpetrated more by acquaintances than random strangers. Even then, they'll complain about being "objectified" and treated like a piece of meat despite dressing and acting like that.
/r/MGTOW11/01/20 03:05 AM
2

Wasn't she married to some fat-balding guy who she eventually cheated on, divorced and then sang to the crowd about how he couldn't satisfy her in bed. I too used to respect her but she's honestly a trashy human being
/r/MGTOW14/09/19 12:42 PM
6

Geeky/nerdy girls are not as wholesome as everyone makes them out to be. The only group I can tolerate are hood girls but that's because at least they don't lie about who they are, they don't virtue signal and you know what to expect from them. Plus, make a substantial effort at conversation
/r/MGTOW02/10/18 10:19 AM
1

I dunno if this positivity or a form of virtue-signalling?
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 07:53 PM
0

I don't want sex that's motivated on the incentive of money. Sex to me is a notion of validation and acceptance. I want a girl to fuck me because she likes me for me or for my physical body, not for money nor even for out of pity.
/r/seduction24/06/13 10:38 AM
1

In most arguments that I'd been in with a few thirdwave feminists, their counter arguments would always primitively involve me being a virgin or not getting any action. My own thoughts and opinions are independent of my own sexual experiences. Virgin shaming contributing towards rape culture? That's an interesting thought but I don't wanna bring up the concept of rape to this discussion as I'm merely talking about social stigmas. Obviously slutshaming and bashing your disapproving views directly…
/r/MensRights24/06/13 10:36 AM
0

I have no idea why......
/r/MensRights24/06/13 09:09 AM
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