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Sort of depends on the context It could be a bit of a 'shit test' to use PUA terminology, in which case you can just 'agree and amplify', but then move on and change subject. Don't linger on it However, context is important. I mean, if you open a girl directly adn tell her she's cute and you wanted to meet her and she's like 'Yeah, i'm not interested. You're not my type' than that is genuine and nothing at all you can say will magically change her mind and make her attracted. In that situation t…
/r/seduction26/10/25 02:59 PM
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if you can get 1 in 6, you can get 100%. easy.
/r/seduction26/10/25 09:13 AM
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nobody is 'seducing low interest' women. I promise you. We have all the infield proof we need of that from coaches etc. Using pushpull lines and stuff on a girl who isn't remotely attracted to you doesn't help one iota. test it!
/r/seduction26/10/25 09:00 AM
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even the best in the game 1-6 isn't realistic especilly for approaching lots of different reasons: shes married, shes on her period and doesnt want to fuck, she is leaving the country you're not her type/she's not attracted to you is also the most common one.
/r/seduction25/10/25 11:03 AM
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I’m open to it being true I just haven’t seen any evidence of it people on reddit can do waht no pro PUA coach can get even CLOSE to doing!! :) (as we saw from uncut, streaming infields from various professionals) use your intuition! People lie online lol
/r/seduction25/10/25 11:00 AM
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you'd need to be VERY good looking (or famous) if you want that kind of hit rate with hot girls You guys really need to stop full on guzzling this PUA marketing!! I'M not saying 'game' doesn't exist or isn't relevant, but come on!! lol
/r/seduction25/10/25 10:58 AM
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just push-pull bro!! lmao
/r/seduction25/10/25 10:57 AM
9

chat gpt finna steal yo girl!
/r/seduction24/10/25 04:15 PM
1

this
/r/seduction24/10/25 11:18 AM
1

thing is, you cna do everything perfect and get a hard rejection, so it's not really something you can necessarily take lessons from. Or you could draw completely wrong conclusions ('I smile and opened with confident body language! But she told me to go away. Maybe I need to not smile and open with weaker body langauge')
/r/seduction24/10/25 11:17 AM
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it's all about finding the girls who are attracted to you It's a waste of time trying to use pushpull etc on a girl if you're not her type
/r/seduction23/10/25 08:32 PM
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you need to find the girls who are attracted to yoiu It's a waste of time trying to use pushpull etc on a girl if you're not her type
/r/seduction23/10/25 08:31 PM
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I have good looking friends who get approached by girls a LOT who ask for their number and tell them they're hot etc, but i'll be honest, i've not seen it happen in the day time! (only in bars non stop etc) So, could be sus? But who knows. Maybe she was just super social and confident but didn't like your reaction?? Do you get hit on a lot in general?
/r/seduction23/10/25 07:13 AM
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'Ugly' pickup artists (say tylerrsd, tom torerro etc) can certainly get laid, but their hit rate is attrocious. A hell of a lot of rejections. hotseat at home showed tyler eating a tonne of 'not interested's' in a row for example. The PUA's with high hit rates seems to be the good looking ones (coach kyle, maxrsd etc)
/r/seduction06/10/25 12:36 PM
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Ignore first and when she shows you interest, do what the top comment here says. Most of my friends always ignore girls. But the girls never show them interest. I've never seen that work, tbh (except for one wing but he;s very good looking so ignoring kind of works for him) - point is i don't think it's gonna help the OP. Ignoring girls isn't gonna make them show interest.
/r/seduction06/10/25 12:28 PM
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She didn’t say she is not interested, did she? She is not rejecting you, she is just giving random information. I'd personally say that her 'telling you you are too fat/short' is her way of saying she's not interested sexually (and from that point it'd make sense to move on too a different girl who might actually be attracted to you)
/r/seduction27/09/25 11:18 PM
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keep your eyes on the sky!! You're the pilot!
/r/seduction27/09/25 10:59 PM
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When you simply stop being attached to the outcome and focus on enjoying the connection for what it is, this test stops being a test because you simply respond in a way that makes it clear that you don’t give a fuck what she thinks because you are not there to change her mind or convince her of anything at all. So based on that, wouldn't it be best to just move on too a different girl after she lets you know she's not interested? Why waste your time (assuming your goal was to sleep with her) I m…
/r/seduction27/09/25 10:55 PM
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disagree
/r/seduction23/09/25 07:01 AM
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cool. I agree. Good luck out there!!
/r/seduction21/09/25 06:31 PM
3

me too. Had a threesome on a plane earlier!
/r/seduction21/09/25 06:06 PM
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something that was created to sell a course. this could be said about a lot of things when it comes to PUA ONLY in the PUA community will you hear 'girls aren't visual and girls don't care about looks' LMAO! Any other place, including those full of girls, would laugh their asses off at that lol. Most of these 'theories' were made up by the guys selling pickup books etc
/r/seduction21/09/25 06:04 PM
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cold approach is about screening. Not conversion. Guys think it's their 'game' when she basically made her mind up within a few seconds. It's a numbers game
/r/seduction21/09/25 06:02 PM
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that's completely fair. And that's the thing. Someone like you may actually benefit a lot from 'learning game. I hope you do! Some people truly learn something new when a PUA coach tells them to listen too a girls reply and use something from her reply to comment on. (i'd call that base level social skills) Whereas lots of people read PUA books and realise they've really learnt nothing they didn't already know. They just learn new names (''pushpull'' etc) for things they were already naturally d…
/r/seduction21/09/25 05:53 PM
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it's not about a 'level'. This isn't a thing where there's like a jedi 'level' where you can say the right words and get any girl you want. That's 100% PUA fantasy marketing! The best 'game' in the world won't even help if you are not remotely her type. I promise! (i've seen enough dating coaches in person to see that!) The best 'game' will enable to you close a HUGE percentage of the girls WHO ARE ATTRACTED TO YOU, without messing it up (escalating smoothly, dealing with objections and sh1t-tes…
/r/seduction21/09/25 02:50 PM
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I don't think so? I mean, didn't you ever get laid before you'd read PUA books and stuff?? I've always been able to easily bang teh girls who are clearly attracted to me. Didn't need PUA books etc I read them later in life to see and test if there was any proof in their marketing (there wasn't! lol.)
/r/seduction19/09/25 01:21 PM
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obviously. Women make the first move LOTS in bars etc. And as you say, the same 'game'/verbals for one guy that works will never work for a different guy. this isn't really a game of 'skill'. Pushpull and teasing and flirting etc doesn't MAKE a girl attracted to you. It simply helps move things forwards with the ones are ARE attracted to you. It's a game of numbers. All the 'game' in the world doesn't help if you're not at all her type (as infields from 'pros' prove not to mention game went main…
/r/seduction19/09/25 11:34 AM
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I agree. I think 'game' is way more about opening a girl who is attracted to you, and then not messing up which, as you say, can be hard if you are anxious etc. But I 100% DON'T agree that having amazing 'game' gives you some magic abililty to 'seduce' whoever you want lol. I've gamed with enough 'pros' to know that that's pure fiction/marketing! When they open a girl who isn't interested, their pushpull etc cuts no ice at all!!
/r/seduction19/09/25 10:36 AM
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then compete and try to be better looking than him and hope she picks you instead of him! lol
/r/seduction19/09/25 10:16 AM
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thing is, You can do everything perfect, with pushpull and good body langauge blablabla, and she will still NEVER consider hooking up with you if you're not her type at all. It's more a numbers game. It's about getting enough volume so that you open some girls who are into you, and from there, it's pretty damn easy to close. VERY little skill required to closet he girls who are attracted to you ime
/r/seduction19/09/25 10:12 AM
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it's fiction. He's been all over the subs and PUA forums for ages trying to get customers for his 'coaching' lol
/r/seduction19/09/25 09:38 AM
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incoming DM gonna be sent your way from him offering 'coaching'! lol
/r/seduction19/09/25 09:34 AM
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it's all fake. He's teh same dude who pushes a phantom coach in everyones DM's lol. He's just trying to get customers.
/r/seduction19/09/25 09:27 AM
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it can, but of course she needs to think you are very good looking, and ideally you'll have a pretty kick ass profile with lots of followers
/r/seduction12/09/25 11:18 AM
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lol, people recognise his screen name as someone who makes up stories all the time on this sub haha
/r/seduction08/09/25 01:26 PM
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.The god honest truth is as much we love to look for some special technique this is really about luck and taking massive action. 100%. Took me years to realise this. I bought the PUA koolaid from all teh scammy coaches for years. The truth was FINALLY revealed to me when I actually got to see a number of coaches etc in person and even for them with all of their years and years of 'skill' and technique etc, it really was just a huge numbers game! So just approach and see if she's into you or not.…
/r/seduction07/09/25 11:12 PM
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so, wait for choosing signals. agreed. She knows whether you have a shot or not before you've opened your mouth
/r/seduction06/09/25 02:46 PM
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probably NOT made up, to be honest! My ex wingman (he moved away) was a very very handsome guy. And he literally got approached and hit on hard probably 5 times per night when we'd go out. He didn't need to do a damn thing to get laid lol. He just had model good looks.
/r/seduction06/09/25 10:44 AM
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hit the gym. Get as good looking as you can. Approach a LOT of girls
/r/seduction06/09/25 10:39 AM
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how are like 99% of the comments calling this BS/fantasy/chatgpt, but yet it's so heavily upvoted?! lol
/r/seduction03/09/25 07:05 AM
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I accidentally banged SIX the other night! By accident
/r/seduction03/09/25 06:56 AM
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that's about the same as the pro PUA's tbh, lol. It's a big numbers game. It's about finding girls who think you are HANDSOME, AND them girls need to be in a good mood, naturally social with strangers, and lots of other things need to be in place. Do'nt for a second believe the claims of these 'pros'. I've literally been out with some pro london day gamers before who know everything there is to know about 'game' and their 'hit rate' is horrific.
/r/seduction03/09/25 06:54 AM
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location matters. Way more common in some places than others I'm in the UK. I know girls who are HOT AF and they've never ever been approached in the day, and only very rarely at night I (the only 'approaches' they get are basically if they are dancing in a club, guys will come up behind them and try to rub their wang on the girls butts to see if she's interested or not)
/r/seduction02/09/25 03:52 PM
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See game guys, all you need is a “what’s good?” & be attractive lol 'game', baby!!! In fairness, that's all you need. If a girl thinks you are hot, you just need BASE level social skills. If that!! And if she thinks you're not at all 'hot' then all of the 'game' in the world wo'nt do jack shit lol Infields prove this adn even field reports like that prove it lol it's a numbers game
/r/seduction02/09/25 03:46 PM
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I got into it a long time ago and realised fast that most of the advice was tailored to US people. And they'd dismissively say 'girls are the same everywhere bro!', 'limiting belief, bro!'. etc. Fact is, people are different everywhere. Cultures are different. How people react to different behaviours is different! It's not even worth arguing with them, tbh. But yes, I cold approach. I only do night game, personally (in bars). Funny thing is that in lots of the UK, even in BARS which are of cours…
/r/seduction29/08/25 12:03 PM
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what 'neurodivergence' do you have and how does it actually effect you in an interaction? but yeah, it's not at all weird to have more success with a certain type of girl. Happens with most guys I know. Like my friend who has a face full of tats will always attract certain hot young party girls or tatted up rock chicks or whatever. For some reason, Indian girls have always loved me! (unfortunately not really what I'm attracted too)
/r/seduction29/08/25 09:06 AM
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You will almost never see a random person walking up too a stranger or even random people chatting at the bus stop in the UK (expecially down south. Maybe more common up North) but that happens in the US America is somewhat unique in terms of strangers being social to each other, and maybe that effects their cold approach attitudes. I personally cold approach, but you soon realise a lot of young girls will look at you like you are on fire lol. It's completely outside of their reality. Need thick…
/r/seduction29/08/25 08:58 AM
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LOL
/r/seduction28/08/25 03:19 PM
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it's really that 'outer game' and your 'verbals' and all taht stuff is there to help you achieve sex quicker and smoother and to limit the chances of you messing up. (WITH THE GIRLS WHO ARE ATTRACTED TO YOU) But what IS a lie, as the other guy pointed out, is this totally unproven idea where you can 'get good' at 'game' and know all the lines and techniques etc which means you can 'create attraction' in any girl you want kinda thing. It's a HUGE lie as can actually even be confirmed with infield…
/r/seduction28/08/25 03:17 PM
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No magical combination of words will alter what she already thinks. exactly. which is the problem with 'game' in general lol
/r/seduction28/08/25 12:59 PM
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richard doesn't even have infield. Just a good looking guy running status game on foreign girls
/r/seduction27/08/25 07:39 AM
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OK, even though the whole community is basically a load of nonsense, I would agree and say that Vadim DOES indeed have game. I mean, there's guys who teach this stuff with lots of followers who have WORSE game (much much worse!) than a typical random guy on the street! Examples would be someone lkie john anthony! (have you seen his infields?!!! lol. Or that 'bayne' guy. Or...well, there's too many to mention, tbh!). Vadim isn't one of them though But with that said, despite Vadim having game, he…
/r/seduction26/08/25 10:01 PM
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yeah, it's kind of something that no sane person with any sort of life experience would ever believe for a second, but for some reason, people who discover this community are often very desperate and gullible with no social experience and they swallow whatever these dating coaches tell them. It's bizarre, but it is what it is
/r/seduction26/08/25 09:55 PM
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Converting at a higher rate usually has a bit less to do with your game skills and more to do with target selection, how good-looking you are exactly!! I've been out with community guys and coaches. Guys who have a good conversion rate are either very good looking, OR they are good at approaching the right girls (which is a mixture of being good at spotting subtle IOI's and also experience in terms of what girls who usually like you tend to look like and dress like etc) But in general the approa…
/r/seduction26/08/25 12:52 PM
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it can happen if you're very good looking. I went too a strip club once with a friend of mine who's really good looking, and he ended up getting a number and banging her later on from a really hot young stripper.
/r/seduction25/08/25 07:37 PM
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yep. The dating coaching industry shares a LOT of similarities with the daytrading industry
/r/seduction25/08/25 12:42 PM
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this!!!
/r/seduction25/08/25 12:42 PM
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be her type. Same as any cold approach
/r/seduction25/08/25 12:06 PM
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Imagine paying a 'dating coach' lol. it's all scam!! there's no magic lines or tricks etc. If she thinks you're hot, it's easy as hell. If she thinks you're not hot, no 'game' techniques will work. Stop making these grifters rich lol. None of them are any 'better' than a normal guy off the street and would get basically identical results in the same body
/r/seduction25/08/25 10:17 AM
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same. In fact, I've had one or two age gaps that I won't even detail here as i'll probably get downvoted to HELL!! lol (might not even be legal in teh US! I'm in Europe)
/r/seduction24/08/25 08:51 AM
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we would all be successful they wouldn't, tbh. It's not as though flirting makes her want you! Flirting is just flirting (a way of communicating sexual interest). Not mind control. A guy she is very UNattracted too flirting with her is very much unwanted flirting. Flirting only 'works' when it's done by a guy she is attracted too.
/r/seduction24/08/25 08:47 AM
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this
/r/seduction21/08/25 01:06 PM
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if you want really YOUNG, hot girls; Pretty boy face, youth, height, decent body, deep voice If you want a hot MILF; money, confidence, muscles
/r/seduction15/08/25 11:12 AM
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A good seducer is someone which can get laid most of the times for each interaction they have ai'nt nobody pulling that off unless they're crazy handsome or a celeb or something lol. In infeild footage, the 'pros' get rejected a huge percentage of the time
/r/seduction10/08/25 05:03 PM
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Yeah, I just mean i've DM'd lots of really hot completely random girls on insta and stuff and just made a comment on something about their profile or story or whatever to try to engage them and get a 'connection' as you say, and never even got a reply, never mind a lay!! haha. They'd need to think you're hot I guess to even reply
/r/seduction10/08/25 10:24 AM
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you must be crazy handsome. It can certainly work if you got the looks (just DMing complete strangers and asking to hook up)
/r/seduction10/08/25 09:10 AM
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I caught her looking at me from a distance and she smiled at me THIS is why it 'worked' lol. Every successful field report and lay report basically has that ingredient ('she was checking me out' etc lol) from that point, it's plain sailing. good job though either way!
/r/seduction07/08/25 06:58 AM
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i've seen lots of coaches in person. I've never been impressed. They do exactly the same as me. With the girls that are open and receptive to their approach as they clearly think they're kinda hot, they get a number/date/(or same night lay if night game) But what usually happens is they open a girl who clearly isn't interested (and it's obvious to me within about 2 seconds) then they make cold reads, use some pushpull lines, ask questions etc etc, and she's just not interested at all and it ends…
/r/seduction06/08/25 12:10 PM
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well maybe I started out knowing 'game' naturally. I could always bang girls who were clearly into me when I opened them. And I do that know having read every PUA book out there. But then and now, rejection rate is still very high because i'm not a male model or somerthing haha Results haven't changed but that's because, as you know, you can't seduce a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by you. Same as your coach. Same as me edit: i guess the answer is taht I already had elite level game before…
/r/seduction06/08/25 07:43 AM
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agree to disagree lol There's nothing I don't know about game. I get results but i need to find the girls who are into me
/r/seduction06/08/25 07:37 AM
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you're gonna get a lot of made up fictional answers lol.
/r/seduction06/08/25 07:01 AM
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bs. Only gets 'better' if you were so socially stunted initially that you literally were unable to look someone in the eye or something lol you could have the best 'game' on planet earth and get rejected 200 times in a row if you are old, fat and short and you are hitting on 18 year old models lol.
/r/seduction06/08/25 06:58 AM
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true. their 'hit rate' is the same as anyone else (assuming they have the same looks level) what gets then results is sheer volume. They approach way way more than the typical guy. I play the same game btw!! I get laid a decent amount but I approach a LOT of girls lol. I know all there is to know about game and know that it doesn't help at all if you're not her type. It's about finding the girls who are open to being 'seduced'/flirted with by you
/r/seduction05/08/25 07:32 PM
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Just say 'you're trouble', and 'me and you wouldn't get along. We'd always fight and i'd always win'. NOW she should be very very attracted even if she thought you were way way way too old for her and also too short and ugly lol
/r/seduction05/08/25 05:53 PM
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pretty much all of them things are true
/r/seduction05/08/25 05:18 PM
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you're saying you can't make a girl who thinks your not at all hot really wanna bang you and become attracted to you in the same way she is a young brad pitt by using pushpull lines??!!!!! /s :)
/r/seduction05/08/25 05:17 PM
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true. You can't seduce someone who doesn't want to be seduced (by you)
/r/seduction05/08/25 05:14 PM
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looks get you in the door, charisma/charm is what keeps you inside. exactly. But with that same rationale you can run 'perfect game' on a girl (or 100 girls in a row) and get rejected each time if you are none of their 'type' in terms of looks. This is why the pro PUA's get rejected so much more than people realise! (which anyone who has either watched them in person or even watched old school PUA programs of which some featured uncut continuous approaches will know)
/r/seduction05/08/25 03:31 PM
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The most honest advice I ever received from a female friend was something along the lines of “women are superficial” and she was spot fucking on it's what i've always said. People have this insane beliefe in the seduciton community (because they've been told what to believe by dating coaches who want your $$$) that 'women aren't visual' and that they're not superficial like men are etc, but the opposite is actually true! They are VERY superficial and VERY 'visual'
/r/seduction05/08/25 03:15 PM
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There’s no way an average guy would neg a girl and she’d be obsessing/thinking about him afterwards. exactly. It's so funny. pickup 'coaches' have convinced people you can do stuff like neg a girl or do a cold read or use a pushpull line adn she will magically be attracted to you lol. negging, much like all 'game' is basically flirting! Now, flirting is great, but if you flirt with a girl who isn't attracted to you, it's just unwanted attention! Doesn't matter how 'good' you are at flirting. She…
/r/seduction05/08/25 12:44 PM
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this opener got me my first ever night game lay many years ago lol It's not magic, though! It's also gotten me really awkward and rude reactions that lead to fast rejections haha Numbers game!
/r/seduction04/08/25 10:12 PM
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it could well be an example of her just not being interested. WHen I open a girl who is attracted to me, 'running out of things to say' doesn't ever really seem like an option as she is trying hard herself to keep the convo afloat. Working with me! When I open a girl who isn't into me, then I 'run out of things to say' as she is basically trying to make that happen lol. That's her job! (when a guy who isn't her type tries speaking to her)
/r/seduction04/08/25 03:52 PM
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it's good looks. I promise lol
/r/seduction04/08/25 03:27 PM
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he's probably better look than OP thinks this is basically the answer (and kind of confirmed in my mind as he's added further replies) there's nothing to see. It's just the typical case of a very good looking guy having extremely easy lol
/r/seduction04/08/25 03:27 PM
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further investigation based on his replies seems to confirm what I think we all knew all along deep down. He's just a good looking guy. The girls are girls who haven't even spoken to him but have seen him around school etc. Then he writes them a boring message to hang out and they jump at the chance nothing to learn. Not that there ever is, tbh.
/r/seduction04/08/25 03:25 PM
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It sounds like he's just really good looking in the eyes of girls, tbh. 'male gaze' is a thing, in that what we think makes a guy 'handsome' isn't necessarily what girls respond too (classic example is huge muscles lol) You said yourself he doesn't have text game or whatever, and he's never even spoke to the girl in person. It's just good looks. Nothing you can 'learn' from him I've also got friends who get an unbelievable amount of attention on nights out. It's honestly like something out of a …
/r/seduction04/08/25 03:22 PM
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are these complete strangers. Random girls he DM's? Or girls he kind of knows? Have you seen his exact messages and stuff?
/r/seduction04/08/25 12:36 PM
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Another example I just thought about is that I used to have a friend called Ashley and he was always banging the hottest teenage girls! He used to work as a 'supervisor' or something in a clothes store that hired tonnes of hot 16-19 year olds and he was always dating them. I used to think he must have the best 'game' in the world as even though he wasn't ugly, he wasn't some tall chad at all! But whenever we went clubbing etc and we'd cold approach, he was basically invisible. Just basically got…
/r/seduction04/08/25 11:35 AM
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Other things being equal, the more time we spend with people and interact with them and share memories together, the more probable we are to like them
/r/seduction04/08/25 11:30 AM
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true
/r/seduction03/08/25 05:57 PM
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they don't all actually have boyfriends. Get better looking. Hit the gym hard. Imrprove fashion etc
/r/seduction03/08/25 05:56 PM
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women are at their most powerful in that environment. All dressed up and all eyes are on them. She can feel like Prime Rhianna in a room of homeless people lol. Men are constantly starring at them. Offering them drinks. She is very much the 'buyer'. Some also just want to be left alone and chat to their friends. You need to get lucky in more ways than one. Approach a girl who is naturally super social and friendly, AND if you want to actually get laid with her, be her type! She must think you ar…
/r/seduction03/08/25 09:03 AM
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propinquity. I banged a legit 10 from work. I honestly don't think i'd have had a chance if I cold approached her Every8me l see a hot chick with an average guy l assume they met thru work or something similar. And you'd be 100 per cent correct! So many people don't realise this. They see an average guy with a stunner and assume magically picked her up on the street or met on tinder. None of those things would have worked for him. He knows her from college or work and they knew each other for a …
/r/seduction03/08/25 08:52 AM
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very good post. Something i've said many time. Propinquity! It's basically the only time you will see guys batting way above their average. It can indeed happen, BUT from cold approach I promise no ugly guy is gonna keep going home with 10s half his age no matter how many times he's read the mysterymethod or 'natrual seduction' or any other nonsense. It's pure PUA marketing lies! If you wanna have a very high hit rate (and not rely on 'numbers game' like all PUA's do..even the pros/coaches) then…
/r/seduction02/08/25 04:34 PM
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height alone isn't enough. You need to be very good looking facially. That's when women will literally approach you. Happens all the time to my friend
/r/seduction02/08/25 10:19 AM
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I don't really think there's necessarily anything to learn from a failed interaction. This isn't computer science. It's human interaction with literally unlimited variables!! You could say it was your 'approach angle' which is why she rejected your opener or literally a million other variables that coaches will tell you was the reason, but I think that it's honestly just a matter of you not being her type. You'll drive yourself crazy trying to test all kinds of silly things and you'll be fooled …
/r/seduction02/08/25 10:15 AM
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You want the PDF? DM me. I got you
/r/seduction02/08/25 10:09 AM
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lol, I love it when PUA's who need their customers to believe that girls do'nt care about looks in order to scam money from them are literally told by girls that they in fact DO care about looks. A lot!! lol. All the gilrs I know say looks come first, basically (especially if they are literally being cold approached on the street. If there's no physical attraction then it's over before it began)
/r/seduction01/08/25 07:33 PM
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tell her 'lets have a drink at my place'
/r/seduction01/08/25 09:15 AM
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true. Even infield footage confirms what you said tbh You'd need to watch about 10 thousand infields if you want to watch a set where he opens teh girl, she is 'clearly' not remotely interested/attracted, and he ends up getting a solid number and/or a lay. 99.9% of the time, if she is very unreceptive to the open then the best PUA isn't gonna sleep with that girl Cold approaches, even when done by 'pros' are pretty much decided within a split second. You can't force attraction with PUA gimmicks …
/r/seduction30/07/25 05:08 PM
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real social dynamics. They were the biggest dating company around a while back
/r/seduction28/07/25 10:21 PM
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it's the age old problem of 'game' only 'working' on the girls who already want you lol. You see it in infields all the time (and the same with the rejections. they open a girl who clearly isn't attracted or interested, and then the same cold reads and puhspull lines and stuff dont cut any ice)
/r/seduction28/07/25 10:20 PM
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i think too much time trying to come up with the 'right' things to say and worrying about 'pushpull' and all kinds of outergame stuff that doesn't actually create any attraction whatsoever.
/r/seduction28/07/25 10:17 PM
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but we are told on this sub that girls don't care about height and looks?
/r/seduction28/07/25 10:14 PM
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you were better looking when you were younger
/r/seduction28/07/25 11:31 AM
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I have it on a laptop somewhere. I think I have just about every PUA course/product ever made on old laptops lol. It's good. BUT after many years of cold approach, i've learnt that 'game' (especially in terms of 'lines and techniques etc) is all terribly overrated.
/r/seduction25/07/25 09:04 PM
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this
/r/seduction20/07/25 10:20 PM
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nonsense
/r/seduction19/07/25 07:56 AM
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???? - was just answering your question lol (although myserymethod followers would say 'lol, human nature hasn't changed in 20 years' as they always do)
/r/seduction11/07/25 05:34 PM
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'mystery' (the Pickup artist)
/r/seduction11/07/25 05:17 PM
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well most 'limiting beliefs' are just facts, so it's not easy lol.
/r/seduction09/07/25 08:54 PM
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thanks for claryfying. I've always thought that since so many people, even in the community, seem to have lost faith in 'game' being much more than a get rich quick scheme for dating coaches, that infields of these guys turning a set around from very cold ('go away, i'm not interested' on the open for example) too a lay, would be decent proof, but as I say, it's always the opposite, which i've always found concerning. ps - for what it's worth, I sometimes think that social proof is the one thing…
/r/seduction09/07/25 05:14 PM
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've had approaches where the girl is cold/bitchy/not paying attention and I win her over. this is something i've never seen, either in person or even in videos that professional coaches have released. (when a girl is very cold/rude to his open it never leads anywhere. They seem to only close the girls who are very receptive at 'hi')
/r/seduction09/07/25 05:05 PM
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If they're not interested after you've already flirted, just say "have a nice night" and move on to the next. does it mean they're just not attracted to you on a physical level, or that your 'flirting' wasn't good enough? I'm pretty sure flirting, even 'good' flirting is just unwanted and will always lead too a rejection if you're not her type
/r/seduction09/07/25 04:48 PM
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quite an interesting post. I also note that some of my better nights have been when i'm with certain friends. Usually a good handful of us. This particular group (i have a few groups of friends) are just all about having fun and non stop jokes etc and sometimes i feel like it draws the girls in a bit Unfortunatley a lot of that group have all settled down now and so now i'm stuck with my 'other' friends group who are a lot more reserved and introverted? And I don't tend to do well with them guys…
/r/seduction06/07/25 10:34 PM
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i find anything flirty too early on in the conversation to get be a very negative reaction. Works OK when they're clearly intertested, though. But like the OP, I struggle with what to say at the open and the transition in order to get them hooked into the convo and asking me things back. I've tried things from the books without success and even though i'm sure there's nothing 'magic' out there , i'm convinced there's something better than what's in the books that i haven't found, yet. I'd love t…
/r/seduction06/07/25 09:19 PM
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what you say doesn't seem to be super important if my friends who get laid lots are anything to go by!! lol But I do think it can help if you are great at keeping a convo going and making it fun and interesting. However, when I've looked into the pickup material I find the advice adn lines so cringy and it's been confirmed by girls when I use them, so i'm really not convinced that any of these guys who write the books actually get laid much.
/r/seduction06/07/25 09:05 PM
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