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| 7 | The massive support for Lindsay Clancy should be a wakeup call to the very real threat posed by feminism-inspired female exceptionalismAnd censors discussion so much that there's only a couple posts a month now. Jesus, just looked at it and there's nothing but weekly modbot "how's your mental health" auto posts and then the first real topic is from 19 days ago. That sub sucks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 08:43 PM |
| 3 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketIt doesn't give men all the power at all, it creates opt-out parenthood for all sexes. Instead of the current status quo, opt-out parenthood for women and mandatory parenthood for men. Again, if a young girl becomes pregnant, everyone sees that as a tragedy and nobody wants her to have to sacrifice her life and future. But if that person is a boy instead, people think it's justice that he needs to drop out of school, go into work full time, and sacrifice any dreams for his own future he had, wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 05:27 PM |
| 2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketYou can't remove biological reality but you can mitigate it. Through law. Similarly to how a physically stronger person can't just fuck your shit up Right, which is why we should extend choice to parenthood to men. Making my argument for me here. This is the morally good choice to make. Using the law to try and impose punishment on men because women have biological complications from pregnancy that can't be avoided is the evil choice to make. Again, men didn't create women's biology and would ch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 05:21 PM |
| 5 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketThat's true, but nothing men can do can remove that reality. So, I guess I don't understand your point. We should be forced into parenthood because your body changes during pregnancy? Why? That makes no sense. The reproductive burdens of your body is between you and your body, we have no part in it. Imposing a cost on us because of that is just wanting to inflict harm on men for no gain. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 04:19 PM |
| 6 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketWhat are you counting under reproductive responsibility though? Men didn't create women's biology, so it's not men that are making your body go through the consequences of pregnancy. If I could wave a wand and make that a non-issue for women, I would. If you're referring to parenting, people who want men to be able to opt out want it to happen in such a way that women are able to decide to abort or adopt out before delivering the pregnancy. So she doesn't have to be resigned to being a single pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 04:05 PM |
| 2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketYou are going to be paying for that government funding for all sorts of bastards. And than boy's parents. To aaaaall the whoopsie children men are going to be freely abandoning if paper abortion's put in place. Oh no, taxes being spent to help better the lives of vulnerable people. This is a thing I politically believe in so that's fine. Because if paper abortion's a thing, no man is ever going to wear a condom again. Why? The woman's going to be dealing with this one way or another Men still fe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:42 PM |
| 5 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketFrom my point of view, you all want to doom teenage boys to have to drop out of school/college and be doomed to sacrifice their dreams to support a mother and baby, just because he made a hormonal teenage mistake. But if he was a girl, she'd be able to get an abortion and keep her life on track until she was ready. My view is whether it's a boy or a girl, having to sacrifice your whole future because of one hormonal slip-up is the same tragedy for both, and there should be a way out. Though I th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:29 PM |
| 0 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.That's true, I'm just replying that the comment I replied to was way off in the percentage they listed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 09:40 PM |
| – | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.1.8% doesn't seem to math out, if I'm doing this correctly. If there are 700 deaths in childbirth per year, 700 / .018 = ~38,889 babies born per year. But the actual number of babies born per year off a quick Google search is 3.6 million. If it's 700 deaths of women per year, 700 / 3,600,000 would be .019%. although since I used babies born, and some pregnancies obviously have multiple babies this percentage is a bit low. But this was napkin math to show 1.8% is off by some orders of magnitude. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:44 PM |
| 1 | Men who want women to do more housework and childcare should be pro-alimony, pro-child support, and support access to divorce.Say what now? I don't get the point you're making. But also, I've been to Minneapolis several times and work with people who live there. From my view it is very progressive? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 03:28 PM |
| 3 | Men who want women to do more housework and childcare should be pro-alimony, pro-child support, and support access to divorce.Lots of those people believe they are oppressed too and want change. Like I said, people aren't the caricatures you portray them as. We all have the same biology and capacity for understanding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 03:25 PM |
| 4 | Men who want women to do more housework and childcare should be pro-alimony, pro-child support, and support access to divorce.Kumbaya and all that. Doesn’t answer my question though. It does answer it. Call it kumbaya if you want to, but cynicism just divides us further. The world doesn't change until the majority of us choose to support each other, but we can't make you. Yes, we can import people from nations with high birth rates. Those people however are probably not familiar with Simone de Beauvoir People aren't the caricatures you make them out to be. We can all be convinced and shown the right way to be, and if n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 03:13 PM |
| 7 | Men who want women to do more housework and childcare should be pro-alimony, pro-child support, and support access to divorce.People are people, we're all human and most of us do care for each other. Be the example you want to see in the world | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 03:04 PM |
| 1 | Gendered expectations for men are only retired in word, not realitySo could you define yourself too? Are you conservative? How did you get to where you are? (I think my age and nationality are part of it) I'd say politically in middle-left. I'm progressive so social and economic well-being are important to me. But more economic leaning (worker rights, taxing corporations & funding public services, etc). Poverty is probably my main issue closest to my heart, it is like the most severe problem that underpins many other ones. I'm in my late 30s. I think the US is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Gendered expectations for men are only retired in word, not realityI think the reality hits women harder because of the reproductive burden. You can throw money at them but they still have pregnancy, childbirth, breast feeding and newborn care to bring reality to them Well the support could also be in services not just dollars. Could even be a pathway to making careers out of more "care" type work. Basically create an industry out of providing action support for single parents. To me that would make way better outcomes than forcing an undesiring and likely unsk… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 02:20 PM |
| 1 | Gendered expectations for men are only retired in word, not realityI think even if I disagree it was good to hear your thoughts. Can I ask what way you align with your politics or other issues like that? Would you describe yourself as a conservative or religious person? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Gendered expectations for men are only retired in word, not realityWomen/girls get hurt too. They throw just enough money at them for them to survive and then leave them in poverty. Only if she has good parents to support them do they usually do well. Right, that's a big part of the problem too. Status quo fails everybody right now. Father's worked into dust but still can't provide enough money to support themselves and another household. Mother's then don't get enough support and struggle, too. The children get all the pent up stress, resentment and possible a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:43 PM |
| 1 | Gendered expectations for men are only retired in word, not realityYeah I get the distinction, I guess our side disagrees though. I see it more as 3 groups (mothers, fathers, children) who's rights need to be balanced with respect to each other. Children can definitely be cared for and supported without having to impose too far on unwilling parents imo. And forcing parents down unwanted life paths is a harm that needs to be balanced for too. And not doing so has major costs (child abuse, neglect, ask me how I know lmao). I just can't believe we live in a fair a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:28 PM |
| 0 | Gendered expectations for men are only retired in word, not realityThat's only if you think the only path is with no replacement for child support. People want those children supported with government programs in its place. At least those of us on the left do, and probably most of the pragmatic ones on the right too. Mostly it's about wanting a path where young accidental fathers have a pathway through life without necessarily having to drop out of school/aspirations, just like young women have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:16 PM |
| 1 | It's not "men act, women are", it's "men's skills are recognized, women's are taken for granted".Just reading these examples breaks my heart. Thank you for doing what you do. Life is so hard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 12:46 PM |
| 1 | Feminine men or non-traditional men are hated due to misandry, not misogyny.Jesus, man. You can't imagine a scenario where a boy is cornered or outnumbered? Shamed and cajoled into taking it? Threatened to be somehow humiliated by a group of bullies if you don't do what they say? Girls do beat on boys. Can't speak for current gens but for millennials for sure. Here's a random memory: friend group hanging out watching anime. Buddy's new GF is hanging out with us. Watching some anime and I make a riff about the show, get clobbered from behind on by head with a ring binder… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:37 PM |
| 1 | The male loneliness epidemic is self inflicted. The experiences of trans people is further proof of this.The amount of attention I got, both socially and romantically, absolutely skyrocketed. From both men and women. I was a little bitter about it because I was still the same person I had been a couple of months prior, but the difference in how I was treated was night and day. It's wild how much this shows up across different walks of life. You experiencing it here in your life becoming pretty. Overweight/obese people talk about it when they lose weight. I've experienced it going from sedentary ner… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 01:25 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: Do you respect for men who work from home or in low-impact jobs?Doesn't follow. Don't see how this makes us unequal. You need to make an actual argument for that, and good luck not coming off as a bigot lmao | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 06:10 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: Do you respect for men who work from home or in low-impact jobs?If we are all equal, and you call men leeches for this behavior, what does your opinion here say about women? Do you look down on women who have no kids and work less than their partner too? Men are not financial engines for women's use. Our lives have inherent value to ourselves. Women don't get to be the only ones to live lives worth living in this world, fucking miss me with that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 05:59 PM |
| 3 | Q4W: Do you respect for men who work from home or in low-impact jobs?BS lol. If I was financially taken care of, it would mean instead of drudging at a job that stresses me out, I could engage in all my hobbies and life passions. Just make art, cook/bake, groove on good music and play with my pets all the time. Not to mention taking care of my spouse's stress around the house. Literally the dream, men are just conditioned to not believe this is a possible life path so many look at it skeptically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 05:33 PM |
| 2 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)This got long and very emo Sure, but not in a bad way. This is so relatable. I think all the time about the magnitude of how much suffering there is in the world and all around me. I think it's really important that people like us exist because we can try to advocate to the people who don't care... to care! So we can all join together and try to fix these problems. It's like the bleak awfulness of the world is so soul-scouring that most people just try to completely ignore it just to exist. And … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 01:51 PM |
| 0 | Would you be a Single FatherWhatever the reality for women, that's not much of a life for a man. No choice of your own future, working too many hours to do much that makes life actually worth living. Threat of prison if you lose your job and your ability to pay. It's just awful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/26 11:43 PM |
| 1 | Would you be a Single FatherMen didn't design women's biology, it's unfortunate that pregnancy is hard on women's body. I can't do anything but be pro choice. But women are not pro choice in any way supporting mens reality here. But child support is back breaking. In a world where it takes 2 incomes to have a shot at normal life, what's a man with 75% of one income supposed to do? All he can do is spend all his hours working with no hope of relief for almost 2 decades. Work, drudge, toil. What kind of life is that? Better … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/26 11:41 PM |
| 1 | Would you be a Single FatherEdit: also men aren't giving up their careers and life to have a kid. They are though. My dad dropped out of high school and later got a GED bc of an early pregnancy. Many men drop out of college to put in more work hours. Some commit suicide due to the burden too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/26 11:34 PM |
| 1 | Would you be a Single FatherYeah, Texas is an inhumane place I agree. I'll never set foot in it myself. But that basically is men's reality in every state. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/26 11:32 PM |
| 1 | Would you be a Single FatherWell yeah, it's 95% the same except for the major difference of abortion, basically. Which is why it's surprising when women don't give men the same understanding. How many women get abortions so they don't have to drop out of school or their careers, or because they'd have to live in poverty/destitution because of the cost? Men don't get an equivalent option to that, but have all the same issues with giving up on your dreams and aspirations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/26 11:29 PM |
| 0 | Would you be a Single FatherThat's a semantics argument, really. Put yourself in a mans shoes for a minute. Everyone wants relationships and sex, not everyone wants children. If you are intentionally choosing an alternative life path (career, artist, wanderlust, whatever) then having a kid accidentally is the death of your chosen life path. Some men find themselves having had an accidental pregnancy in their lives and having it completely derail their life choice for themselves. That's what we mean when we say he had no ch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/26 09:15 PM |
| 2 | If women treated men like men treat women we would love it.Both, I think, because a lot of men resent their relationship to working. I think the reason we don't see more stay at home fathers isn't because they genuinely wouldn't want to, but because they've been conditioned to not even think it's an "allowed" life path. That's how I've felt my whole life, anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/26 01:27 PM |
| 1 | The courting process never ends for men.It's not their choice to be socialized away from attending school. It's not a free choice, it's a socially coerced choice | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/26 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Politics absolutely do matter with who you’re dating. Not so much the content of it, but rather, alignment between yourself and your partner(s)Check out the latest Duggar news that came out this week as the latest example. Or, you know, evangelicals support for trump despite oh, since 2016 or so when we heard the little girls beauty pageant story. Or now, with the Epstein files. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/26 01:11 PM |
| 2 | What Is the cause for lack of empathy for men's dating problems?Hey man, just wanted to say I see you here and it sounds like you're living an admirable life. I came from a similarly chaotic upbringing and my older sister did for me and my younger sister what you're doing for your siblings. And it's a big part of why I have a good life today. Wishing you luck & good fortune, I hope you can all find peace and a happy life. I also agree with you about the military and current government. To enter the military under this government and in this political environ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/26 02:29 PM |
| 2 | Are We Treating Male Psychology as a Problem to Be Fixed?This is important to me. I lost a friend to suicide not long ago, and everyone said he always seemed so happy and chipper and to be honest, that was the truth. Nobody knew he was suffering so badly. He didn’t feel like he could tell anyone what he was going through inside. I'm really sorry for your loss. And thank you for recognizing this is a wider problem. Like you, I think this topic is core to why suicides are high (alongside the other big reason, living a legitimately awful life and not see… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/26 03:35 PM |
| 3 | Some men think that deconstruction of gender norms means that they should be attractive no matter what.What's the point? The fact that they exist doesn't negate that we exist lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/26 08:40 PM |
| 1 | Some men think that deconstruction of gender norms means that they should be attractive no matter what.Hi, I'm these men. I don't have kids, but feel super strongly I'd want to be present at the birth if I did. I've seen some of those hot button threads in relationship_advice, etc, where it gets very heated as men and women debate when a woman says she doesn't want the father present. There's lots of men who would feel strongly about this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/26 07:38 PM |
| 5 | The "Emotional Labor" Argument Is Wildly overplayed by women.I think what you're getting at is that there's a balance somewhere. And I'm not trying to say we should all have to do big performative gestures all the time. But like, sometimes? More than we do now? I think the stats show men have less friends on average than they did 20 years ago, and even then maybe they had less than 20 years before that. We have a tendency to get absorbed in our family, work, hobbies, self-improvement or whatever bc that's expected of us. And then we fail to reach out to e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/26 09:13 PM |
| 7 | The "Emotional Labor" Argument Is Wildly overplayed by women.I just can't believe the ops indifference towards the other women making a good effort with her own friends, we'd all love to have someone make that effort with us but if it's not returned the effort is going to fade and stop. I was taken aback too by their comment that we should all be perfectly satisfied by a rote "happy birthday" message rather than anyone putting effort in, which is why I commented. This is an area where women just model some great social behaviors that we should adopt. Is t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/26 08:12 PM |
| 7 | The "Emotional Labor" Argument Is Wildly overplayed by women.Totally agree with you here as a man. You can choose to put in the effort yourself, but as you can see here lots of men reinforce the idea that doing nothing is basically caring. Honestly I think that's a way to reframe how distant they all are from their friends. Like they'll talk about being brothers, but are you honestly if you only see/talk to each other 3x a year? I'm a guy who needs more than that lol. I'd love my friends to be more present in my life, and I try to be in theirs but then it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/26 05:44 PM |
| 0 | Young Men's Perception Of What Responsible Masculinity Looks Like, And Women's Perception Of Men In General Are Distorted.The only difference is that you grew up to be stronger than the woman who beat you. This often doesn't matter to us because of how we're taught to think of how evil it is to use our strength against a woman. When I was young there was a time my mom was giving me closed fist punches to the face and I fought back by just choosing to take them and not even raising my arms, so that hopefully she would feel guilty and stop. I'd grown up seeing my dad spend a few nights in jail for restraining my mom … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/26 04:08 PM |
| 1 | Honesty is ruining romanceThat's every brain though. Literally every person experiences this, it's just part of our weird biology. The key is realizing that "You" are not every weird little thought you have (good, evil, amoral, whatever). Lots of those thoughts are just noise, and can be influenced by things like whether you had a sandwich or not recently enough. "You" are the things you intentionally think or decide to do, not just the quirks of your brain haha. So be kind to yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/26 08:28 PM |
| 1 | “Modern gender politics creates conflicting expectations for men, and men are punished no matter which side they choose”I think we do need some of that variety for sure. Especially in the more "jobs" type work and not "careers" type work, but holy shit even then too. Our minds were not meant to drudge on one task or in one specialty for 40 goddamn years. Why even have lived at all of that how you have to spend your life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/26 03:39 PM |
| 1 | “Modern gender politics creates conflicting expectations for men, and men are punished no matter which side they choose”It is interesting, btw, when you talk about the pressure of having to work. I've been talking about taking either a couple of years off work, change my career to a business spun off my hobby, or to just quit working and focus on personal growth & interests. Man, people get reeeaaallly weird when a man starts talking about doing anything besides working a paid employed job as his main thing in life. Like they're offended or mad at you for it. Seems like it's mostly been the boomers and Gen xers t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/26 03:26 PM |
| 1 | “Modern gender politics creates conflicting expectations for men, and men are punished no matter which side they choose”and honestly, I've a theory that men and women should just swap traditional gender roles entirely because, ironically, the expectations they place on each makes it easier for the other That's pretty interesting. Like a cultural baggage reset. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/26 03:20 PM |
| 1 | It's men's fault and responsibility for 'the loneliness epidemic'How did u build emotional connection with ur wife ? This is a simple question that can have surprisingly huge answers but to try and sum it up? I think it involved both of us sharing our true and unfiltered honest thoughts, being invested in each-other's growth/happiness for their sake and not for our own sake, and having the trust in each other that the other is behaving that way. It also took years and years of time spent together frequently to build that kind of relationship. Why can't u also… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/25 09:04 PM |
| – | It's men's fault and responsibility for 'the loneliness epidemic'What if it's something similar with men, what if going to hang out with other men doesn't fix their loneliness either ? Whenever I feel lonely as a woman I don't think to get into a romantic relationship because being in romantic relationships don't fix my loneliness. Instead I think go make friends or go hang out with friends cuz that fixes my loneliness. Seek connection - emotional connection. So I go to the strongest source of emotional connection I have which would be other women. I don't kn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/25 04:18 PM |
| 2 | The bigger obstacles to male rights are simps and conservatives, not womenI mean same, plus owning one lol. And I disagree. From memory the ridge under the glans is way more pronounced on a circumcised one. It's jarring when I see an uncircumcised one in porn. It shouldn't be, but that's conditioning for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/25 04:32 PM |
| 1 | The bigger obstacles to male rights are simps and conservatives, not womenThat's not true though, uncircumcised erect looks noticeably different ime | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/25 04:26 PM |
| 4 | The bigger obstacles to male rights are simps and conservatives, not womenIirc aren't you ineligible for some aid programs too? Like pell grant and federal student loans. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/25 03:15 PM |
| 3 | The stats on growing ideological divide between men and women shows men's ideals have relatively remained the same yet women are increasingly becoming radical, yet all the discussion is about "young men being radicalized"... exposes a clear agenda pushed by society100% yeah. Well, at least the sanders style progressives and dem socs in the party. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/25 09:38 PM |
| 2 | Women clown on lonely men for turning to porn, but are also hostile to the idea of men going out and approaching themSure, I somewhat agree. But if people don't have the confidence they used to to try new things, that's still a real problem. Or maybe it's affordability, or lack of time, or lack of energy for real and valid reasons. Maybe too many people have to work overtime or 2 jobs or gig jobs to make ends meet. In reality it's probably a lot of issues like this that add up over the whole population and make big differences in aggreggate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/25 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Women clown on lonely men for turning to porn, but are also hostile to the idea of men going out and approaching themPeople are never going to do it through sheer force of will. Just like with addiction, or bad habits, dieting, etc. I understand the common sense idea of "people just need to go do the thing" but like I said in another comment, if that worked we would never have had a problem in the first place. Life in 2025 has unique pressures and influences that we probably don't fully understand, which are driving this change in our culture. Either we try to learn about it and try to address the causes or we… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/25 10:00 PM |
| 6 | Women clown on lonely men for turning to porn, but are also hostile to the idea of men going out and approaching themI'd love to more, too. But my job is an energy vampire and try as I might it leaves me with so little motivation to go somewhere at the end of the day. So currently it's like 1 craft day meetups a month and maybe 1-2 get togethers with friends a month. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/25 04:12 PM |
| 2 | Women clown on lonely men for turning to porn, but are also hostile to the idea of men going out and approaching themI don't put much stock in that really, because it's kind of like... the proof is in the pudding, you know? If doing nothing and expecting people to fix it themselves fixed the issue, it'd be fixed. Sometimes the issue is out of people's hands. Like, people are largely happy with the choices they're making in their lives but also don't like the lack of community in them. Is someone like that going to organically fix their problems with no outside change? A few will, most won't, and it'll continue… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/25 04:09 PM |
| 9 | Women clown on lonely men for turning to porn, but are also hostile to the idea of men going out and approaching themThat's kinda the point about "the decline of third spaces". It's not just that the places aren't literally available, that's not the whole problem. It's a feedback cycle. Pressures / influences from our culture have subtly discouraged people from participating in third spaces as they did in previous generations -> third spaces close and consolidate due to reduced participation -> step 1 continues and is exacerbated. I'm not deeply educated on all the reasons why, but some of the obvious layman r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/25 02:53 PM |
| 8 | Women clown on lonely men for turning to porn, but are also hostile to the idea of men going out and approaching themFirst space = home Second space = work Third spaces = the places that people gather and socialize regularly for meeting people & building community. Bars, church, hobby clubs, bowling etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/25 01:47 PM |
| 5 | As Gender Equality Grows, So Does Women's Prison PopulationI disagree with this, it's a good idea. I don't think you can broadly use "their culture is different" to shoot down every idea to improve things. It kinda seems like a scapegoat people want to hurl at progressive policy ideas when they don't have a serious argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 07:01 PM |
| 3 | More men aren't single because they have "bad personalities"We already lived that world. It sucked ass. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/25 01:43 PM |
| 10 | A lot of women genuinely don't recognize when they're being abusive toward menI was arguing on CMV the other day with a woman who said she could probably punch her boyfriend in the face with all her strength and not leave a bruise. I know my wife is so much stronger than that and most women are. You'd have to be a child, old, or disabled not to be able to cause serious harm like that. Idk why they think pain doesn't hurt us or that we feel less of it for the same impacts. Life isn't Roadhouse | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 01:42 PM |
| 1 | When men say they cant be vulnerable, they mean they cant wallow in self pity 24/7 and get pity sex as treatment.For doing a task, he feels unmanly if he looks like he can't do the task. I agree that men will not say "Can you help me?" Maybe it's not about a feeling of manliness at all. For me I can't ever bring myself to ask for help because if I think about it I get an anxiety feeling in my chest. Like that feeling where you type out a message and delete it a bunch of times, but in my head. And then I just can't overcome the effort to surpass that and I say nothing at all. To an outside onlooker, it woul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/25 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Do you believe relationships are riskier for men or women?I am curious tho, why would you think I am more likely to be liked and befriended? I was shy and introverted my whole life, if there is no extrovert that approaches me, then I am and would remain friendless. Because if you took a man with the same traits he'd have fewer friends than a woman with the same traits, on average. It's got nothing to do with the individuals themselves. It's because people have unconscious bias to see women they don't know more positively than men they don't know. Both … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 07:24 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: Why do you think being a hive mind is a bad thing?Unfortunately that explanation misses me and men like me. There's ton of men readers from past generations too, you find them as sci-fi/ fantasy fans and among geeky types. Pretty common, or at least they used to be until we hit Gen z I guess. When you look at it that way, there have always been male readers but it's changed more recently. Lack of male readership is probably something more socialized, maybe by how much more low effort high interest entertainment there is now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/25 05:43 PM |
| – | Q4W: Why do you think being a hive mind is a bad thing?Guilty of that too. I tend to read ebooks on my phone too and it makes it so tempting to just thumb over to something else sometimes. On the other hand, Ive done a lot more reading in my life than I would have done if I only had paper books. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/25 05:39 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: Why do you think being a hive mind is a bad thing?Yeah your experience sounds pretty similar to mine. I do wish more men would read so they can experience the more in depth, less superficial version of some stories sometimes. TV/film is so sanitized and manufactured by comparison. There's just a depth of thought that people who don't read complex stories are just missing out on. And then I think that plays out in simple black & white worldviews in real life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/25 02:54 PM |
| – | Q4W: Why do you think being a hive mind is a bad thing?Glad to hear it, and I think that makes sense from my experience too. I do digital art hobbies and I though not being able to strongly visualize things in my mind would hold me back. Turns out lots of artists are like this and it's a non-issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/25 02:46 PM |
| – | Q4W: Why do you think being a hive mind is a bad thing?When you read do you see images in as colorful and vivid a way as a gif like that in your imagination? I wish I did, but I also think there's levels to this whole thing. Like at the 0 end, they call it aphantasia I think - inability to see images in your mind at all. after a bit of googling, sounds like hyperphantasia is the opposite - basically you can see as clearly in your imagination as with your eyes. Edit: I think I kinda read your comment backwards and focused too much on the pagemaster r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/25 02:39 PM |
| – | Q4W: Why do you think being a hive mind is a bad thing?> I saw this post on Twitter from a dad riffing about his daughter and I was like “huh maybe that’s why they don’t like reading fiction for fun… cuz it’s nothing going on up there as they read it” lol idk. I guess that kind of thing is always possible actually. Without it even being a fault of that guy's. My wife and I have such dramatically different reading styles. She's a fast speed reader and will clear a few hundred page book that day and seemingly absorb the info. I'm not sure what that ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/25 02:25 PM |
| – | Q4W: Why do you think being a hive mind is a bad thing?It’s always “Rich Dad, Poor Dad,” “Models” by Mark Manson and like maybeeeee a comic book a six year old would love. I'm loving this thread lol. My whole life it's been frustrating that I can't get (other) men in my life to read. It's either non-fiction (money management & history books) or nothing at all since required reading in high school. As an aside, I read recently that reading is on the decline overall although long-time readers are reading more books than they used to as well. Feels lik… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/25 01:36 PM |
| 1 | Why are men blamed for supporting for conservative values when almost half the women do the same?Democratic socialists & progressives (especially economic progressives) support exactly the kind of thing you're talking about there. Generally we support raising taxes on upper incomes and business to support both cancer research (as an aspect of both funding healthcare & scientific research). Dem socs & economic progressives are the ones who want to upend the healthcare system into completely different implementations with the main purpose to make it affordable and accessible to everyone. You'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 07:26 PM |
| 1 | Men need to stop tolerating physical aggression from women. The “play fighting” excuse has gone too far.but those scenarios are not the "average" scenario Nah, but 15-30% of people probably have some overlap with this kind of bullshit. I bring it up because we see stats showing these things are more common than people believe. For men and women both. Even if it was only a few percent, it's too important to ignore anyway. The consequences of people living/growing up this way causes 10x sized problems for the people involved if left to just happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/25 12:53 PM |
| – | Men need to stop tolerating physical aggression from women. The “play fighting” excuse has gone too far.Nah that's the thing right? What actions could he take? Single provider income w/ 3 kids. Works as much OT as possible. Night shift, drove us to school around 6:30 am bc Mom couldn't drive (health issues). Mom was probably undiagnosed bipolar. She'd be super nice most days, and just hateful venomous "I'll burn it all down and take you with me" level of rage. Some of the things she'd do to my dad (and the next man after): - call your job while you're at work, ask to speak to your boss, and basica… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/25 12:17 PM |
| – | Men need to stop tolerating physical aggression from women. The “play fighting” excuse has gone too far.Brutal. My mom was like this to my dad and it harmed so many lives for years. Why did he stay? Because he was the sole provider lmao. She & us would be destitute if he left. Eventually, she divorced him anyway and pushed him out, and we were destitute. And then she met another guy and repeated the cycle. Don't put the blame on men here for women's violence against them. Sometimes it's not because he's a wimp and won't leave. He's staying out of a sense of trying to protect others, and the damage… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/25 11:42 AM |
| 2 | Young mėn and womėn in all cultures(atleast on SM) think they are oppressed despite the reality being something elseIt's not that the privileged person themselves is wrong or is doing wrong. The issue with privilege in general is more that we aren't uplifting others to that same place. So through bias (mostly implicit, unconscious bias) we artificially elevate some and burden others. And the idea is we should educate people on the unconscious biases we hold so that we don't do that shit as much going forward. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 01:10 PM |
| 1 | Women and sex are not your reward for working and contributing to societyIt does. People have shared the stats here before about how men have fewer friendships than 20 years ago, and fewer from 20 years before then too. This is a serious problem that annoyingly gets spoken over by ignorant people on both sides that project all over the issue that it's only about dating/relationships/sex. Even women have fewer friendships than the past too in these stats. We'd all benefit from taking collective action to fix it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 05:09 PM |
| 1 | The left lost the culture war with young men due to overcorrecting for toxic masculinityI mean yeah I agree with that. He's not the one people are asking for, but he's standing up and getting attention. I hope we get some others out there too, but maybe Newsom will wind up teaching other dem candidates a way to rally energy & motivate their base. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/25 05:45 PM |
| 3 | The left lost the culture war with young men due to overcorrecting for toxic masculinityI mean I would've preferred Bernie but that ship has sailed. Could do worse than a California Democrat firebrand who runs a campaign on scorched-earth undoing and reversing everything Trump has done though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/25 05:35 PM |
| 5 | The left lost the culture war with young men due to overcorrecting for toxic masculinityThat's fine, it's not about them. There's a huge body of left-wing people who didn't vote bc they don't believe the democratic party is actually going to do anything to meaningfully improve their quality of life. We activate them, we win. Simple as. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/25 05:30 PM |
| 1 | Women using antidepressants more often than men doesn't mean they secretly want to be tradwives.There are more major deductions on your paycheck too: Social security (iirc is deducted separately from income tax, so I think not included in your 12%) Then since we have to fund our retirement, some % of deduction to 401k Then health, vision, & dental insurance deductions. That's about all I can think of that just gets deducted from your paycheck. Then many pay property tax if they own their home, which can be like $2500 on the low end or even up to $8k I've heard of in my region (per year, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/25 08:27 PM |
| 1 | Are you able to accept other people's experiences?I have a boy who is 14 and a girl who is 12. I always thought girls were worse with bullying. Turns out, boys are just as bad if not worse. My daughter has absolutely had girls be bullies, but she just brushes it off. With my son? Every word cuts him like a knife. My sweet, hyper bubbly little boy is now a stoic young man with anxiety You sound like a very caring parent. Thank your for noticing this and caring about the experience of it for a young boy. Thanks for being insightful to how the bul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/25 07:47 PM |
| 1 | Women using oppression as power and a shield from accountabilityYeah I hear you, and I get your jist. Wanted to add a voice of support. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/25 06:56 PM |
| 2 | Women using oppression as power and a shield from accountabilityYeah IMO most of the reason men don't do anything about it is the systemic sexism against us that we think needs to be fixed. We raise men to think we are responsible for our own abuse people are not sympathetic to male pain we see examples of men in our lives suffering unjust abuse and nobody does anything about it. Worse, people just pretend like abusive events never happened once the "drama" blows over. There's lots more to add here, but that's just top of mind. Before anyone chimes into say … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/25 06:52 PM |
| – | How do you like to split up chores?I'm a man but I thought it was kinda fun to vent about chores for a minute, so here goes. We didn't really talk about it, but the current system is I add like 2-3 chores I can think of per day to my todo list and sort them in order I'll do things after work, along with hobbies I want to do and other lifestyle stuff like gym/cycling or anything really. She'll pick chores and do them here and there when it makes sense to as she's moving through the house. Sometimes she'll ask me what's on my list … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 08:56 PM |
| 0 | Women are doing traditional gender roles-- and often male ones tooPaid work isn't the only way we can apply our intelligence. I think a lot of men find more meaning in our hobbies/ interests than work. In a lot of cases, we feel like work squanders our intelligence/potential rather than enabling us to exercise it. That's why so many people find work a soul draining experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/25 09:23 PM |
| 1 | People have issue even when men are happy being singleI mean, this is a straw man because nobody is talking about adopting the specific policies of the past. It's IMO absolutely nuts to think that building aspects of mutual cooperation into society is somehow a major negative/impossibly. And in the meantime, we suffer greatly for not working more towards this. Consider how many people want to die all the time in the current world, especially men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/25 01:49 PM |
| 1 | What is your MBTI type? - and other mbti nerderyI got INTJ-T "Architect" on that first linked test. Was hoping to see more folks to try to relate to, but yeah it's kinda rare here looks like. Then again, there's so many possible results its probably pretty spread out for everyone here. Most of the strengths & weaknesses seemed accurate. Except "overly blunt feedback" doesn't fit me at all. Was anything about yours surprising or made you think? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/25 01:46 PM |
| 2 | People have issue even when men are happy being singleIf everyone wasn't so fucking adversarial to the idea and actually got together to develop a workable plan in good faith, yes. Think past the immediate and think about what it would be like if we had a good social safety net like this. So many people would be able to pursue their creative passions or small business ideas. It'd be like when Kickstarter came out. It kicked off a new golden age of board games and changed the industry. Kickstarter allowed people to reduce the up-front risk to pursui… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/25 01:11 PM |
| 1 | You think you will benefit from sympathy but you won’t. Sympathy and pity is the opposite of attraction. As a grown man you need to fix your own problemPass em around, many hands make light work! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 05:16 PM |
| 1 | You think you will benefit from sympathy but you won’t. Sympathy and pity is the opposite of attraction. As a grown man you need to fix your own problemThat's definitely a big one, but it'd take a whole culture change to get everyone to do that. Smashing one struggling persons smartphone can't really help them connect when the world is full of phone zombies who won't socialize. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 04:19 PM |
| 5 | You think you will benefit from sympathy but you won’t. Sympathy and pity is the opposite of attraction. As a grown man you need to fix your own problemRight, literally just having classes in gradeschool specifically to build good social interaction skills would help and also oppresses nobody. The fact that people don't even consider ideas like that speaks to their lack of real thinking about the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 03:58 PM |
| 4 | Girls do well in school not because teachers prioritize them, it's because the female "nature" is more suitable for that environment than the male nature is.It doesn't say anything really because the above comment speaks to averages but there are always individuals who don't fit the average. And there's nothing wrong with those folks. But when we take the outlier folks and try to claim that their experience is the typical one, we can harm the folks who DO have the average experiences or needs, I suppose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/25 03:26 PM |
| 1 | When men face any problems disproportionally, It's framed as being their own fault. Whereas with women, it's always "systemic"Basically every response from men was saying that I was wrong. That it wasn't a big problem, that it wasn't something worthy of men's time and energy to address together. And drug addicts will try to tell you they don't have an addiction problem either. Those folks aren't reliable narrators. Why let that discourage us from fighting for what's right? I'm a left wing guy myself but I also see the truth in some of the harms lots of red pillers point out about men. Just because some people are wrong… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/25 12:38 PM |
| 1 | Millennial males (and older) had it easier.One thing I will say is that it was much more common, I think, to speak with strangers online. Guilds in World of Warcraft would have voice chat servers running often and voice chats would be full of people shooting the shit in COD lobbies in a way that just doesn't happen anymore. This has changed online culture a lot, I think. I used to have big thriving friend groups online. Knew people who got married to people they met over games and played for years. Now it's weird, like it's totally flipp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/25 12:29 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: if women don't respond well to men being vulnerable, why would we push so hard for it? What do we have to gain from lying?That's not paranoia, it's prudence, because most women do not deserve to know, and you can't go around revealing your soul to every woman you're with. For real. I don't want to blame your average woman for anything, but the abusive ones can really emotionally destroy your life. I grew up with a mom like that, and she would just harass/ridicule my dad and then stepdad about any and all insecurities, sexual proclivities, embarrassing mistakes (shared publicly). That kind of thing really teaches yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/25 01:05 PM |
| – | Woke isn't coming backI don't necessarily think that Walmart is intentionally attractive to conservatives. I doubt that they openly love the shitty worker policies of Walmart and buy from them in principal. However, I do think their customers lean conservative because pro-labor, pro-community left wingers select themselves out of being Walmart customers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/25 04:06 PM |
| – | Woke isn't coming backSame. Anyone who holds worker/laborer rights and left-wing economic values strongly is usually a pretty firm anti-walmart shopper ime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/25 03:01 PM |
| – | Woke isn't coming backAlso, so what if Walmart's stock has been high. They weren't a target of the protests. Left leaning shoppers avoid Walmart already. Not necessarily on average, but it's not like there's a strong "wow, I love Walmart and the Waltons" on the left. There is that somewhat on the right, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/25 02:54 PM |
| – | Woke isn't coming backDon't need to apologize to me for sharing your opinion lol, I just disagree. Most of my friend circle is participating in the boycott. It's plenty covered in the news and social media too. I saw on wallstreetbets someone saying target announced a 40% drop in foot traffic over this. I'm not aware if that's the real number or not, but it's totally believable to me based on what I see and hear in my own social sphere. And then targets info about this yesterday proves people's intuition about what's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/25 02:53 PM |
| – | Woke isn't coming backMeanwhile target has had a massive drop in foot traffic over the same issue, and has a visible mainstream protest going against it for dropping DEI. Plus considering Walmart, Amazon, and target compete on the same space it's pretty likely that some of the lost target shoppers are moving to the other stores. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/25 02:40 PM |
| 5 | Women love romance but men do romance.The way to change this is actually pretty easy and doesn't even have to be done on a big scale but on a small level inside the dating itself. Inside your own relationships. By being grateful! That's all it is! By making sure your partner understands that you are grateful for the small things that they do for you. By saying "thank you so much for doing this for me. I feel very loved and appreciate for the things you do". Over and over and over. For all the small things. But a lot of men don't ten… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/25 02:25 PM |
| 1 | TV show Adolescence gets the pipeline completely wrongHow is not wanting women to vote a right wing conclusion? Because at least in the US, evangelical Christians have been a backbone of the Republican party for a long time. They were the dominant wing of the party from the 80s until early 2000s. Rick Santorum ran in the presidential primaries in 2012 under the evangelical banner. Evangelical Christians have a lot to say about men & women's place in society and the household. Who do you think are the ones who don't want women to vote, if not right … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/25 09:13 PM |
| 1 | I think a lot of men were lied to as kids about love and that's why they're bitterYeah I agree, it's definitely a cycle and we need to talk about it and come up with a solution. But it needs to get mainstream buy-in to be solvable IMO. We can't do it ourselves/alone because we ourselves our victims of the same cycle and are lacking the fundamental abilities to solve it I think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/25 07:29 PM |
| 1 | I think a lot of men were lied to as kids about love and that's why they're bitterI think also the cool uncles and fathers still in a lot of cases had this upbringing too. I'm in that boat 😂 It's like, ok so you somehow learned while coming up a bit behind how to succeed and established a good life. Now it's your job to start mentoring the younger ones. Well, how? How do you integrate into the social lives of your younger family when you never really learned how to do that with your own when you were that age? It's just tough, like the desire is there to connect with them abo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/25 01:04 PM |
| 1 | I think a lot of men were lied to as kids about love and that's why they're bitterI think also the cool uncles and fathers still in a lot of cases had this upbringing too. I'm in that boat 😂 It's like, ok so you somehow learned while coming up a bit behind how to succeed and established a good life. Now it's your job to start mentoring the younger ones. Well, how? How do you integrate into the social lives of your younger family when you never really learned how to do that with your own when you were that age? It's just tough, like the desire is there to connect with them abo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/25 01:04 PM |
| 1 | Both sexes experience privileges that the other sex does not.You wrote well, and I'm not frustrated so much at you but your take on it right there is what I kinda feel is representative of the mainstream take. And the mainstream take lacks curiosity, empathy, or much will to even explore their own thoughts about the problem. So please don't take it personally, I meant that I appreciate you taking the time to respond. You're giving a lot of people in this thread and opportunity to speak to their experience. But when that happens there's going to be emotion… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/25 03:56 PM |
| 1 | Both sexes experience privileges that the other sex does not.Appreciate the response. I've got to admit, I found it really frustrating to read lol but I appreciate you taking the effort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/25 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Both sexes experience privileges that the other sex does not.Yeah, I've only seen that claimed as a myth. The reality is that there may be some marginal % reduced chance of getting an STI in some cases, however that % difference is not enough ti meaningfully act as protection anyway. So it's functionally a useless benefit. Put more directly, if your chance of contracting an STI during an encounter fell from 88% to 85%, would that factor into your calculus as a meaningful factor at all? I’m not a man so I don’t think I get to say “what you’re saying is obj… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/25 03:41 PM |
| 4 | Both sexes experience privileges that the other sex does not.He's calling out circumcision being the norm in the US. If you're a man reading up about the topic while trying to learn more about your own body, you come across some ideas that are really unsettling if you yourself are circumcised. For the record, I'm not sure whether these things are true or false but they do make me think as a circumcised man. It's an incredibly painful procedure, and a boys near first experience in the world. This may be a developmental trauma that we don't understand the s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/25 02:50 PM |
| 2 | Has anyone else found that Right Wing Man/Left Wing Woman pairings seem more common than the reverse?Lift for themselves, sure, but left wing men don't want right wing women at all lmao. Viscerally gross. If they find us unmasculine, we find them odious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/25 06:52 PM |
| 1 | Men have little incentive or reason to be a Feminist in 2025Sure, a meteor could hit the earth to whatever. Who cares. We can filter out normal experience of life vs the .0001% unlikeliest to happen scenario. What are you mastering skills for? Be honest. Pride? For the sheer enjoyment of doing it. And to be an example for the kids growing up in the family so they can see themselves getting skilled at whatever they enjoy. It enriches my life to be able to create things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/25 12:15 PM |
| 2 | Men have little incentive or reason to be a Feminist in 2025Well it's not about sending anyone, because it's not for us to tell others what to do with their own reality. People are allowed to choose their own path in life. But IMO, it's not like purpose has to be grand. Your purpose could be volunteering to foster animals, or to mentor young people in your community, or to master skills and teach them to others who want to learn (because we all stand on the shoulders of giants). Idk man, I feel a pull to mastery of skills in my life and that's what I ded… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/25 01:55 PM |
| 4 | Men have little incentive or reason to be a Feminist in 2025If my sister thought that her career was more important than family, I would say that she isn't focusing on the aspects of life that truly matter. But that's for each person to figure out for themselves. Like, in my worldview finding your sense of purpose in life for yourself is like... the point of life. To try to push a purpose on someone else that they aren't interested in or wouldn't choose themselves is robbing them of their full humanity. For anyone, woman or man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/25 12:22 PM |
| 1 | Modern Feminism today is about fighting for Privileges ,not Rights.Yes women commit less suicide because again they are more likely to ask for help when they are starting to feel depressed. Perhaps that's not true, and if it in fact isn't true then we are perpetuating an injustice to men by not addressing the real concern. And I've seen evidence to convince me that men do indeed reach out for help before committing suicide. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 06:42 PM |
| 1 | Modern Feminism today is about fighting for Privileges ,not Rights."After years of it benefiting only one side and building the whole infraestructure to one side now we can happilly do it for both sides." What about no? Yeah man, you instead could. The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the next best time is today and all that. They don't, this is the issue. They produce nothing, in fact, they go against the production. Why you think there's a whole replication crisis? competence crisis? shit falling from the sky all the time now? education in the gutt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 06:35 PM |
| 2 | Modern Feminism today is about fighting for Privileges ,not Rights.Welp, good luck. We'll be fighting you every step of the way then. Can't get behind a movement to tear us all down and replace it with nothing. We could change the programs our taxes go to to benefit us all, even selfishly for men more if that's what you want to advocate for, because the power of that money goes so much farther than any of our individual dollars can. Instead we'll be tearing down institutions that give us thousands of dollars of value to claw back hundreds of dollars instead. Go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 05:36 PM |
| 1 | Modern Feminism today is about fighting for Privileges ,not Rights.ooooof course, your group got most of what you wanted at my costs so it's good enough for you. Quit putting words in my mouth, you only do that to argue at a caricature and not a real person. What I'm telling you is that the pro-labor, pro men part of the party still exists and yes it's a minority. Most of us are people who've always been left but are also men so we support ourselves and men's well-being. I think there's overlap with a similar type, which is jaded men who turned Republican out o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 05:09 PM |
| 0 | Modern Feminism today is about fighting for Privileges ,not Rights.AMAZING, so it's not about helping men but about gattering support, utterly shameless. Fuck off with that, I've held these values my whole life. I've consistently voted my values and advocate for men like us among my side of the isle, which is a lot more than you if you've voted red to tear us down. Talk about shameful, grifting us all. After your group do something for both. Doesn't happen without more converts. If you're a Sanders-style labor supporter, join us. If you're a social conservative… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 04:53 PM |
| 2 | Modern Feminism today is about fighting for Privileges ,not Rights.I'm a left winger who fights with people in my party to advocate for both. There's a strong element of us in the party, a minority but growing since they hear the message we're losing young men to the right. Least you could do is advocate for both men & women's outcomes too. If you want to be a loud voice for men's well-being that's a great thing. But you should also at least support the same for women too in your heart and fight against those in whatever party you choose that wants to pick one … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 04:45 PM |
| 3 | Modern Feminism today is about fighting for Privileges ,not Rights.oh no some women died, it's time to shift the whole society to cuddle them and driven it to collapse so they can get what they want. oh wait million men die? opsie business as usual. Both of these need to be fixed. You know that's the right thing to do, to care about both problems. So why not advocate for that? Even a single woman dying a completely preventable death because we refuse to consider edge cases is a goddamn atrocity. Men dying preventable deaths from neglect, despair, shorter lifesp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 04:39 PM |
| 1 | Vast Majority of Women are Landing Men Who Were In Romantic Exile, and They Know ItThat was a really good description, fun to read. I don't think I relate to that feeling but I get where you're coming from because there's a similar but different kind of experience I feel when working on my art projects. I can see why that's be a lot of fun. Out of curiosity, when you think about it do any of your other hobbies/interests involve that same feeling of... idk synchronization I guess? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 10:50 PM |
| 1 | Most men don’t really have an effective way to quell loneliness outside of a romantic relationship.You get it man. This was a great comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 09:58 PM |
| 1 | Vast Majority of Women are Landing Men Who Were In Romantic Exile, and They Know ItNice, good info here thanks. I had also never heard of contra dancing before. Not sure if it would be a good fit, but it's good to learn about a new thing. Part of the struggle too is just knowing how to discover new kinds of things, I guess. I know people will say to Google, but honestly I do that. These days you just seem to come up with AI generated articles full of things that aren't realistic, don't appeal, or aren't regular occuring enough to make friends through IMO. But also, part of tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 09:28 PM |
| 1 | Vast Majority of Women are Landing Men Who Were In Romantic Exile, and They Know ItDid you get involved with theater volunteering yourself? How'd you connect with them in the first place if so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 09:16 PM |
| 1 | Vast Majority of Women are Landing Men Who Were In Romantic Exile, and They Know ItTwo of the coffee shops near me, in the evenings, are willing to host interest groups (with the expectation that you buy a tea or coffee while holding up a table to do your thing). One plays board games and I haven't gotten close enough to figure out what the other is talking about. Could you try that a few months to see if it kicks off? Coffee shops are a good thought. Might have a bit of performance anxiety hosting an event in a space like that though. I say that because I ran a few board game… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 09:10 PM |
| 1 | Vast Majority of Women are Landing Men Who Were In Romantic Exile, and They Know ItJust saw your edit. Just for the record, I'm married and not romantically lonely. Just lonely for meaningful friendships in adulthood. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 08:55 PM |
| 2 | Vast Majority of Women are Landing Men Who Were In Romantic Exile, and They Know ItI'm glad you have insight into your strengths and interests with creativity, and understand what it's like to feel alone in a crowd (I'm pretty introverted). Thanks, that's really kind of you to say. I've spent a lot of time on this actually. I read in a book about childhood emotional neglect that people raised like me often become really good at emotional intelligence - we've had to learn how to read deeply into people who may explode on us with a hair trigger temper, or otherwise set them off.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 08:38 PM |
| 3 | Vast Majority of Women are Landing Men Who Were In Romantic Exile, and They Know ItGood for those guys, I'm glad they're doing well. Personally I understand that it can be done. I guess what I'm getting at in my reply is that going through certain upbringings conditions you a certain way. The answer for me is going to involve creating a social space. I know that because I've been participating in all kinds of social spaces, but it's ephemeral. For example, nobody talks at the gym. Can't make friends at an art fair because people came with their friends and have their own socia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 08:14 PM |
| 3 | Vast Majority of Women are Landing Men Who Were In Romantic Exile, and They Know ItWhat you say makes a lot of sense to me. I had the opposite experience. Grew up in a bad neighborhood and wasn't allowed to leave my street until I was close to 18. Parents were homebodies that never went out. Even at home (in a small house) when I would leave my room if be asked to just go sit in my room all the time. So you learn to cope. No internet at the time, so my childhood all the way to 18 was spent mostly in my room replaying the videogames I had and re-reading the books I had. I lived… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 06:33 PM |
| 6 | My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology.No, you're just reading the responses as combative. Everyone is saying "actually, the working world is making everyone depressed (and that fucking sucks)" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 09:42 PM |
| 5 | My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology.Alternatively, men and women workers are all oppressed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 09:38 PM |
| 1 | You cant claim “Men take responsibility more” in a sub where men cant be blamed for anything.Exactly. People are unwilling or unable to understand that making carve-outs for equality undermines their entire argument for equality at all. It's like, ok if equality doesn't apply to this one thing, why does it apply to the things you want it to then? It's not some moral virtue to support things that benefit you under the argument of equality and then to not support things that don't because they may come at a cost to you. That's just selfishness or self-centeredness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/25 03:15 PM |
| 1 | You cant claim “Men take responsibility more” in a sub where men cant be blamed for anything.Right? Like oh sure, if THIS doesn't have to be equal, fine. What else doesn't have to be equal then, because apparently nothing does? We just pick and choose which rights make us equal and are necessary and which ones you should suck it up about arbitrarily? No wonder people are angry about that attitude. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/25 02:03 PM |
| 1 | Modern dating and relationship culture puts the burden of good sex entirely on men, and according to this narrative a woman can never be bad at sex, only uninterested.I guess I just disagree. Like if we get specific, the only component it sounds like is left if you exclude all the things I listed, sex is just different positions. That sounds purely mechanical to me. So to say Other things are additional and really optional. Is kinda like saying getting a D- grade is optional. Like sure, but it's the minimum acceptable quality you know? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/25 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Modern dating and relationship culture puts the burden of good sex entirely on men, and according to this narrative a woman can never be bad at sex, only uninterested.We have been married over 10 years and it has always been fine. I know that one day he will not be able to perform and that’s ok. Been married 12 here. Just keep in mind if that ever slows down, it doesn't have to be that way. It's not about being unable to perform, but about not being turned on enough to want to perform. So those categories I mentioned earlier are all like different axes you can connect with his sexuality on. Sex will rarely touch on all those topics (although when it does, it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/25 10:27 PM |
| 1 | Modern dating and relationship culture puts the burden of good sex entirely on men, and according to this narrative a woman can never be bad at sex, only uninterested.He never had problems with staying hard so I think that he doesn’t need the talking. We never did that and it was always fine. This will likely change with his age and the length of the relationship. It's just natural effects of aging and effects of NRE relationship vs comfy and committed LTR And I wouldn’t want to be talked to. It just doesn’t sound like a good idea for me. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, ever. I was just trying to understand where you're coming from when you s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/25 10:16 PM |
| 1 | Modern dating and relationship culture puts the burden of good sex entirely on men, and according to this narrative a woman can never be bad at sex, only uninterested.But how would me describing sexy things make sex better? Well, for men we need to have a sexy mental state going to maintain an erection. Sometimes that takes active work of curating and managing a fantasy connected to the moment to be able to physically perform. And just speaking out loud to each other about things turning us on in the moment is a way to build & maintain that, at least for me. It's also like mental foreplay. Like improv actors but instead of comedy you're adding to each others … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/25 09:55 PM |
| 1 | Modern dating and relationship culture puts the burden of good sex entirely on men, and according to this narrative a woman can never be bad at sex, only uninterested.Dirty talk is not for everyone. I don’t want to be called names. I don't want to be called names either, dirty talk isn't that. It's just like, describing something you find sexy in your mind. I figured that was something natural to everyone, like the alternative is what? Having a regular conversation about your day during? Or just being in complete silence? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/25 09:45 PM |
| 1 | Modern dating and relationship culture puts the burden of good sex entirely on men, and according to this narrative a woman can never be bad at sex, only uninterested.I wouldn't describe sex absent all those things even vanilla though, it sounds more stark. Like if you're not even dirty talking or things like that, what's even left besides like quiet missionary in the dark? It's barely even sex at that point, except in the most by-the-dictionary mechanical definition of it. No wonder that's not pleasurable, I wouldn't want that experience either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/25 09:40 PM |
| 3 | Modern dating and relationship culture puts the burden of good sex entirely on men, and according to this narrative a woman can never be bad at sex, only uninterested.Penetration is not that pleasurable. So I don’t see why would it be wild. Because sex is way more than just penetration. It's fantasy, role-play, intimacy, kink, exploration of each other's bodies with hands, mouths, etc. To say you never got any pleasure from all of that really hits weird. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/25 08:30 PM |
| 1 | What do you think of the super anti woke types of guys?The one where the other guy says the strong exist to crush the weak. lmao like what kind of take is this? Some kind of moral absolutism with no room for nuance? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/25 03:21 PM |
| 1 | Many women want to be liberated feminists and trad conservatives at the same timeBut your dad did fight. He advocated for custody. He didn't complain about how hard it is to pay for his own children, he literally tried to BE there for his children. He did, but once you get a degree of separation from the circumstances that's not how the world sees it. They just see a divorced dad that's probably not paying his fair share, he abandoned his kids, etc etc. All while that man is coming home to an empty apartment with an inflatable mattress and a 13 inch TV crying alone that he c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/24 06:36 PM |
| 2 | Many women want to be liberated feminists and trad conservatives at the same timeUgh, unfortunately reddit ate my first reply and just didn't post it. Maybe my point I'm trying to make is obvious to me but not to people with a different upbringing. What I'm trying to say is that, I strongly believe people like my dad's suffering is invisible in the world today. People like him get abused, can have the legal systems nuances weaponized against them, and suffer in poverty and endless work to pay to someone who's taking advantage of them. And so when I see people say dads "didn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/24 06:20 PM |
| 2 | Many women want to be liberated feminists and trad conservatives at the same timeI am a kid who was also abandoned by a father who didn’t want to pay child support. I'm really sorry about that, truly. I grew up in poverty while my mother worked multiple jobs because my father was irresponsible and didn’t want to provide for me or my sister. That's really tough, and good for your mom for raising you guys. What was your dad's situation? Was he super hostile and exploiting of the system to avoid paying? Was he one of those stubborn types who just refused until dragged to court … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/24 04:21 PM |
| 2 | Many women want to be liberated feminists and trad conservatives at the same timeWhat "tough financial burden"? He was payig for those children either way! Do you think men don't pay for their own children UNTIL they're paying child support? Completely unempathetic take that ignores OPs financial situation. Not having 50k cash on hand is not a moral failing. It's a man failing to receive adequate legal consideration and engagement with the system because he doesn't have enough funds. That's completely fucked. In one of that guys comments, he even says 50k legal fees would ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/24 03:32 PM |
| 1 | Many women want to be liberated feminists and trad conservatives at the same timeBut he didn't build "a family". He made children with multiple women, and is now upset that he has to pay for them even though he abandoned them BOTH times. This is an uncharitable, hostile read. A more charitable read might be: He had a child with one woman, and sought custody. Faced with a hostile ex and excessive legal fees, he failed and was forced to give up and walk away. Some time later, this man found love and tried to start a family again, only to find himself with a similarly hostile e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/24 03:19 PM |
| 2 | Many women want to be liberated feminists and trad conservatives at the same timeWe need to leave room for people to be human and make human mistakes. Poor people are allowed to have kids, man. Some of us grew up watching our fathers fight for custody for us, care, and lose. But then he did it again and it happened the exact same way A SECOND time. Right, screw this guy for trying to find love and build a family, right. Screw this guy for thinking he could get a fair treatment a second time around and that being mistreated once must've been a fluke, right? Fuck that. I'm tak… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/24 03:09 PM |
| 1 | Many women want to be liberated feminists and trad conservatives at the same timeCorrect. He didn't want to fight. So he gave up and didn't, and now he will be paying probably MORE than that to his kids, accumulatively, until they're 18. This is so biased though. Everyone calls it "fighting for" custody. When it really means "pay 5 figures" for custody. The injustice is that in the USA most families can't scrounge up a few thousand dollars in the case of an emergency. But you want to lay it on his feet and say that he CHOSE not to fight? What if he just didn't have the money… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/24 02:53 PM |
| 5 | Why do men crave romantic interest so much?There was a lot I had to learn, somewhat on the late side, about how women socialize with each other. (I was very lucky to have my study partner be a hairdresser who returned to school when she was about thirties. Very bright - she hadn't had much self confidence early on, which is why she became a hairdresser. But OMG, hairdressers can talk to anyone about anything. I learned so much from her.) Sounds like maybe we have kind of a similar experience. Most of the people in my life and social circ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/24 09:04 PM |
| 10 | Why do men crave romantic interest so much?Man of these people have no or few friends (1-3 or so), are hitting a point in their life where other friends are pulling more inwardly to their own families and are unavailable, have small or no families, etc. The loneliness epidemic isn't primarily romantic imo. It's every social circle degrading. I don't have it handy, but I remember seeing a study that shows men have fewer friends today than 20 years ago. Individuals can be outliers, but a 20 year trend is something societal causing this cha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/24 08:45 PM |
| 10 | Why do men crave romantic interest so much?But having and maintaining friendships isn't something that just happens for women. It's not, and it's plenty of work. As a man I've been trying to learn and do this work in my life. But then you run into the bias that gets in the way, too. People don't expect men to be social, so their treatment of you defaults to very surface level socializing. I just think men have an extra difficulty barrier here. We're often raised with a bit of social neglect (I know I was), so step 1 is overcoming that to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/24 08:39 PM |
| 2 | Men who don't want to get married, why?I mean sure it's biological a bit, they talk about how having kids literally changes parents brain chemistry. But the flip side of that is, having kids changes you, so what if you prefer this side (no kids) of that change? Some people would rather just build our own skills & accomplishments and friendships and relationships rather than melding into the parent personality and withdrawing from much of the world for a decade or two. Not to disparage either choice, but it's hard to choose which path… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/24 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Are you Men’s Rights or Men’s Liberation?More specifically, due to profit motive. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/12/24 07:22 PM |
| 2 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenI’m not surprised you remain firmly committed to extra rights for men. Privilege for men qua men remains a hegemonic aspect of modern western society, so of course lacking extra, special rights feels unfair to you. You're just speaking your own argument here and arguing against it like it's what I believe. Nope, sorry, this doesn't fly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenAgain, narrow framing that misses the point of the discussion. Look, it think we're done here. Thanks for the debate. It really helped me solidify some of my reasoning around the concept of explicit vs implied rights. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 05:08 PM |
| 2 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenAnd now we're in a circular discussion. You're back to trying to use artificially narrow framing that defines the impact on men out of the discussion, and therefore pretend that very practical real world impact doesn't exist. It's wrong framing, and unconvincing. Another person’s right to make decisions about their own body is not subject to your review, and their reasoning for making those decisions does affect the rights of someone else. Not interested in reviewing anything, simply listening t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 04:57 PM |
| 2 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenThe ability of women to make choices about their bodies that are different from the choices you can make about your body does not change the obligations you face to children who exist because of your actions. I believe that if the reason that woman is having an abortion is because she is not ready, willing, or able to have a child right now, the. Her abortion is not actually rooted in in the concept of bodily autonomy like you're saying. Instead, it's rooted in the concept of "I don't want to be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 04:38 PM |
| 3 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenCurrently, that is men and women together responsible for the children they create. Correct To you, this is dehumanizing to the man but somehow not to the woman. Correct, the key difference being that women have the right to abortion, which in addition to considerations of bodily autonomy, also allows women implicitly the ability to opt out of parenthood when they're not ready, able, or willing to become a parent. I argue that that implicit right is so deeply impactful on the trajectory of one's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 04:19 PM |
| 2 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenI don't understand how you can twist Everyone pays a bit more taxes to the benefit of single parents, which will guarantee the free choice of parenthood and self-determination of your future to all. Into in the absence of welfare, a woman paying her share and the man’s share is preferential to a man paying his share himself, and that this somehow does not dehumanize the woman. So that's why How can you not see the perverse bias in your position? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 04:04 PM |
| 3 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenSo in the absence of a complete overhaul of state welfare such that care for children is provided entirely publicly, This part is making a bigger deal out of this change than it is in reality. Reforming child support isn't "a complete overhaul of state welfare" it's replacing child support with a new welfare aid program with benefits determined based on research of median child-rearing costs and how much we want to pay in taxes to compensate. Literally how everything else works. If we had that s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 04:00 PM |
| 2 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenWomen should be instead coerced into paying the entirety of their own obligation and the entirety of the man’s obligation as well.” Too bad that this part is a complete replacement of what I just said above, so your response is just wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 03:46 PM |
| 3 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenIt's a failure of imagination that we are not working on better solutions that balance those obligations with the value of a man as a person too. We can fix these things by changing the child support system to a system of welfare benefits like any other. It's bizarre that child support is this one specific carve-out of government where we put the obligation on one individual to his detriment, compared to literally every other government aid program. It's because we dehumanize men that we heap th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 03:39 PM |
| 4 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenWhy do you think I'm arguing on my own behalf and for my own situation, instead of of empathy for others and their situation? I'm married in a DINK relationship. I work out. We're wealthy. I have a rich and deep set of creative and recreational hobby interests and skills that make me happy and feel capable and proud. I'm not the person I'm advocating for here directly. I'm advocating for people like my best friend, who got baby trapped by his first girlfriend and it is part of what derailed his … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 03:33 PM |
| 3 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenIf you are deathly allergic to peanut butter, you are not owed some special rights over people who can eat peanut butter in compensation. No one owes you compensation for it. This is valid under your belief system, not everyone's. We find it unconvincing. Not looking to change your mind, we know you're the enemy on this debate. But we are unconvinced of the truth of your argument. I am a man who is much stronger and more attractive than you; I do not owe you special rights to compensate you for … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 03:21 PM |
| 4 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenWomen have bodies that are different from yours; that does not mean they have an unfair advantage over you that warrants additional rights for you in compensation. And when biology makes us unequal, we have the concept of equity to rebalance the scales and make us all as equal as we can in practice under the law. Saying biology makes us different so there's nothing we can do to remedy the situation is a bad argument, and opens up validity to every other argument where different biology= differen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 03:06 PM |
| 2 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenI'm not a libertarian, so I don't buy into axioms about positive/negative rights or the idea of equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome at all. That rhetoric misses me completely. The argument you try to make is like the gerrymandering of rhetoric. You try to draw a little district around your argument, then carve out a little puzzle piece where the practical real world impact to men is not given due consideration and is discarded. We are not buying it. We do not find it convincing that y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenFeminists will tell you that when no-fault divorce became legal, deaths of husbands murdered by their wives dropped because women no longer had to poison their husbands to get autonomy in their lives back. If men are murdering their pregnant partners like that, sounds like it could be from the same scenario of being trapped with no options. If you free them from the trap, they've got no incentive to do evil anymore just like the women of the past. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 02:11 PM |
| 12 | Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to womenMen and women are equally free to evict an unwanted person from their bodies. Sure, and it's illegal to sleep under bridges for everyone too. Thus everyone rich and poor is equally affected, right? You don't win this argument by trying to define the impact on men of this policy out of existence. You can't win on semantics. Men aren't going to be convinced by this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/24 01:47 PM |
| 1 | Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalismYep, they are for sure | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 10:46 PM |
| – | Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalismNo need to defend that idea to me. Mother's and fathers both need support, IMO. I was raised by divorced parents and saw both sides and how each was affected growing up. Everyone is suffering out there right now, and we're failing a lot of men women and children out there in poverty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 09:59 PM |
| – | Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalismThat's what I mean too. $450 is simultaneously not enough and too much. Mother's say the costs of raising children are more than that and it's not enough, and they're right. Fathers say that amount of money is too big a burden to bear, and they are right too. That amount of money can be the difference between having a car or not, and the quality of life that brings. It can mean the difference between having enough food for the month or not, for many people (that's half my monthly grocery bill fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 09:19 PM |
| 1 | Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalismBiology isn’t fair. The law must compensate. This works both in favor and against the idea of paper abortion. It can be argued both ways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 04:01 PM |
| – | Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalismI think a lot of proponents of paper abortions are also for government support for the issues you list. I know I certainly am. I think the current system is broken and fails people anyway. In the current system, if a man is a low wage earner then the mother is missing out on that support in the current world. It would be better for both men and women if we made parenthood double-opt-in and used the resources of the state to provide for children who need it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 03:59 PM |
| 1 | Why Do Men's Issues Often Get OverlookedYou do see a lot of it. The 45% of men who voted for Democrats, of which I am one, for example. Many of us have backed women's causes our whole political lives. People like to forget we exist when the effort wasn't enough to win, like in the 2024 election. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/24 04:57 PM |
| – | Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and SocietyJust think about this. We can't fix infrastructure in the US without liberal groups complaining that it benefits men too much to do so. This is absolutely fucked. Again, I say this as a liberal man who has strictly voted Democrat for decades. Preach man. And people can't see that we have folks like this in our party. They refuse to see it. We're going to lose men to the right in bigger numbers if we can't convince them we fundamentally want to improve men's lives and treat them with respect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/24 12:29 AM |
| 1 | Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and SocietyJust think about this. We can't fix infrastructure in the US without liberal groups complaining that it benefits men too much to do so. This is absolutely fucked. Again, I say this as a liberal man who has strictly voted Democrat for decades. Preach man. And people can't see that we have folks like this in our party. They refuse to see it. We're going to lose men to the right in bigger numbers if we can't convince them we fundamentally want to improve men's lives and treat them with respect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/24 12:28 AM |
| 2 | Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and SocietyIt's so frustrating. Our party doesn't understand progressive men or conservative men lmao. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/24 12:23 AM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.Really just men's-focused policy without any qualifiers, yeah. See this link is great. Exactly the type of stuff I'm looking for. I'm politically tuned in and didn't know about this. We need to lead with things like these sometimes on the national campaign. It was invisible to folks in this cycle in the wider messaging. Seriously, that list of funding increases on there was great. Issues like this need more airtime. Maybe even to just bring public awareness back to the problem. "Suicide isn't so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.That's nice, but it also looks like it's only for men of color and not men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 08:54 PM |
| 1 | Do you have ideas for policies that will address mens' issues?Exactly. That's what gets me really mad when people start to talk about staring boys in school a year later than girls. Like yep, some cosmic ray hit all boys in the 90s and they are biologically slow to develop now. Let's subtract a whole useful year from their already shorter lives to fix it. Rather than fix the system which has obviously rug-pulled boys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.They're not. Men's mental health is very strongly pushed by the left. I disagree. When has there been any focused advocacy or policy centering men's mental health since & including the Obama admin? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 08:06 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.I guess that critique just has no weight to them, then. They figured this is the only way they could get their concerns noticed. Pathetic, sure. I voted for Dems because women's right to choose is important. And with the hope that Dems will eventually, begrudgingly, support men's issues too. But there's a friction there where I don't really believe they will without some outside force or event in society changing the status quo somehow. Selfishness gets a bad rap, but everyone is selfish. Even m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 07:44 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.I guess I don't know what to say at this point. Maybe, this intersection of the issue I'm proposing isn't about women. It just isn't. That's why I'm using a men-centric framing. Many of these men are former left wing voters that either swapped parties or didn't vote. They're making a value judgment about the rights and policies that affect them personally and voting accordingly. If we want to win, we need to champion their issues alongside women's issues and fringe issues. If we don't, it'll be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Do you have ideas for policies that will address mens' issues?That's fine, I'm not trying to convince you really. Many men are convinced of this, however. Myself included. Those men vote, and dismissing their concerns is why we lose them when they could be progressives instead. Whether it happens to a minority of men or not is immaterial. The people it affects, and the friends and family they see it affect, are real and they vote. And they convince others to vote. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 07:23 PM |
| 2 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.It's a big country with a lot of localized laws and areas where this crops up. I think she's got a more accurate picture of the reality than you seem to, tbh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 07:20 PM |
| 2 | Do you have ideas for policies that will address mens' issues?This is still a minority. Right, and they still exist and vote and might be more folks than you think they are. Because why would you want to when you can learn a trade and begin making the income you want in about 2 years? Because all the information shows that people with degrees make more money. They can see that info too. But they can't picture themselves in that life, because they convince themselves in childhood that they're not one of the smart kids. That they can't make it and aren't mea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Do you have ideas for policies that will address mens' issues?because they didn't want to spend 4 to 6 years in university. Yes, but why? Why did they make that choice? Many men in the trades will tell you it's years of just above min wage and no benefits until you get good pay with a union job. Many men will tell you about how they work themselves to death to earn tons of overtime. Lots of these guys aren't workaholics by choice and they're tired. They work 60+ hour weeks every week and don't get to live a life. There are some that are all about that. The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Do you have ideas for policies that will address mens' issues?Many, men men see trades jobs as bad and a last resort. I feel like there's a very large intersection of men that are only in the trades because the education system failed then, and they'd be otherwise happy with a degree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 06:38 PM |
| 3 | Do you have ideas for policies that will address mens' issues?I'm not an expert or a policy wonk. But it's a fact that women's educational success & attainment has been a priority in the public consciousness for my entire (millennial) life. This impacts funding for girls-only programs like stem and math outreach programs for example. The change of education becoming a majority women's field makes a big impact too. Many of those women are progressive and being an attitude of wanting to uplift future girls to be as successful or more successful than themselv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 06:31 PM |
| 3 | Do you have ideas for policies that will address mens' issues?I believe that you probably did, albeit indirectly. People have been studying and allocating funding based on women's educational attainment for decades. And guaranteed this translates into programs that have disproportionately uplifted women. Anecdotally you hear occasionally about schools programs for getting girls interested in tech and stem that are off limits for boys, and boys don't have a matching equivalent program. The goal here would be to focus on offering programs like this to boys a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.And what do these numbers have to do with what we are discussing You said the laws are to protect 2 teenagers. They countered that many of these child marriages are not between two teenagers, but young girls and adult men. Anecdotally, I've heard similar to what she's saying and worse. You hear about culty Christian sects that have issues with young girls getting married to men in their late 20s or early 30s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 06:04 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.Every woman who has to drop out of college or highschool to be a mom is a tragedy. Every man who has to drop out of college or highschool to be a dad is the same tragedy. Currently women have the choice there and men don't, and they crave that choice too. In this statement of reasoning, you're ignoring the healthcare aspect. Not ignoring, but that's a women's centered component of the issue and I am using a men-centric framing here. And it's not at odds with women's healthcare aspect because my … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 05:57 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.How? I support abortion for that reason too. I'm not an opponent. I just think it's injustice that men don't get an equitable choice here. Parenthood is a huge responsibility that IMO has much more impact on someone's life than the healthcare aspect, for the median pregnancy. For that reason, the healthcare aspect for women is not of such paramount impact that it's absence for men means they shouldn't get to opt out of parenthood. Being required to be a parent locks you into a life you may not w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 05:27 PM |
| 3 | Do you have ideas for policies that will address mens' issues?But those legal adults are groomed from childhood into that path. Women's numbers increased because we created programs to push them into college paths during their k-12 years and it worked. So now we need to do the same for boys with focused advocacy and effort, because it works. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 05:18 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.The difference is fighting for wanting to cut financial responsibility from your own actions vs effective healthcare solutions Men want to feel like we have the right to determine the course of our lives the same way women do (or as equitably similar to women as possible given biology). Every woman who has to drop out of college or highschool to be a mom is a tragedy. Every man who has to drop out of college or highschool to be a dad is the same tragedy. Currently women have the choice there and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 05:08 PM |
| 0 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.Well, you become a force multiplier in your community on the ground level. Door knock, talk to people about politics openly etc. Win peoples hearts and minds over. If everyone convinces one other person, etc etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.Call it that if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the reality. And the reality got us trump and Trump is a giant grift. It's just self-interest. They are choosing to weigh their own issues over anyone else's. They're not even wrong to do so. That's what women are doing too. Personally I think this is our chickens coming home to roost on the left wing side. I'm a millennial, and I've seen probably for 20 years people warning in social media discussions here and there that men are fe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 04:49 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.make kamala do weird things like go yo bars to cater to men. It's a fucking start What's the story behind this? What'd she do? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 04:41 PM |
| 2 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.Who initiated that 60% rule? We should stop supporting that Yeah I agree. Pretty sure Florida instituted that because they're a corrupt shithole that needs to suppress the will of the people. No argument from me here. Not enough I guess Agreed too. I think a lot of people put their own issues at a higher rank than abortion this year. The two that stand out to me personally are the economy and men's social malaise. The second one wasn't really on Dems platform and imo only indirectly on Repubs pl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 04:36 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.An interesting thing that happened in the election is that even states that went red voted to protect abortion rights when it was on the ballot. Florida voted 57% to protect abortion rights, by has a 60% threshold to pass ballot initiatives so it failed. I think the signals are strong that many many people want to protect abortion rights even in red states, and even among red voters apparently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 04:27 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.I'm a dem and always have been. I voted blue all down the line and always have since turning voting age. But a lot of men, myself included, see women aren't willing to extend us that same right. Opt-in parentage for men is a really fringe issue. I can understand why some men would want to take the opportunity to force women to the table and build a coalition that reinstates women's rights to abortion and simultaneously gives men an equitable right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.Because the top cited reasons people get abortions are financial impact, interfering with their ability to get an education, or interfering with their ability to take care of loved ones. Getting an abortion for medical reasons are the minority case. All of those financial, educational, and caretaking concerns are also concerns men have too. So when 4/5 people who get abortions do them for the same reasons men would opt out of parenthood, it's injustice not to offer an equitable right for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 04:15 PM |
| -4 | Men have to vote as a block because they can't rely on generosity of feminists.Why do you need due process on a college campus? It's not a criminal proceeding. Attending college is elective and in doing so you agree to abide by their ethics standards. Because the average person gets one, maybe two tries at college before they bomb out for life. And college is the gateway to a middle class life or better. If that can be yanked from you at no fault of your own because of no expectation of due process, it's an unjust system and needs to be changed. You still owe all the debt … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/24 04:01 PM |
| – | There is a Socially and Economically Oppressive Zeitgeist Against Young Gen Z Men.Construction makes sense. I hear a lot about a shortage of workers there. I haven't worked it but I've got family who do. My impression from hearing them was you can make ~50k, lots of overtime and no/few benefits and no pay into 401k. Not much PTO either. Maybe that's not representative, but that's the reputation I hear about the field through the grapevine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/24 03:12 PM |
| – | There is a Socially and Economically Oppressive Zeitgeist Against Young Gen Z Men.Hard to argue against an anecdote, but I'm sure your experience happened. What industry? And asking honestly, how much work is that job compared to comparably paying jobs (not just in number of hours, but subjectively how exhausting / tedious / desirable is this job?) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/24 02:41 PM |
| – | There is a Socially and Economically Oppressive Zeitgeist Against Young Gen Z Men.Astonished in what way? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/24 02:27 PM |
| 5 | The reason there's not much support for men's rights (and there won't be)Another way to interpret that fact (and wow, I never heard it before or thought about it) could be that men disproportionately bear the burdens of the industrial revolution. And that the impact of the labor it takes to run our modern industry has a cost in lifespan equal to the gap between men and women's average lifespans. I wonder what the life expectancy gap is between different work fields. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/11/24 07:44 PM |
| 1 | What is the appropriate response for a gamer bf/husband to his woman that protests his hobby?Is it the 2 hours, or the every day? What would you think about 1 uninterrupted hour every day? Or 2 uninterrupted hours every other day? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/24 01:04 PM |
| 4 | Positivity Time! Say something nice about the opposite sex, or say something you feel bad the opposite sex has to deal with!Thats a nice thought, thanks for sharing. I thought I'd chime in because you got some dismissals, but as a softer kinda man myself there are many of us out there that would appreciate this too. I think I see this becoming incrementally more common with my lefty friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/24 08:40 PM |
| 15 | Positivity Time! Say something nice about the opposite sex, or say something you feel bad the opposite sex has to deal with!I think there's a lot to admire about women, so maybe I'll start with this. I totally believe women are the equals of men and are capable of anything we can do. Smart, strong, capable, creative, you name it. It should go without saying, but I say it because sometimes you see people here say the world would collapse if men stopped doing the work. But I firmly believe in the sci-fi scenario that all men disappeared, women would absolutely adapt and innovative tools made for their bodies and everyt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/24 08:36 PM |
| 1 | Women, what do you think are the advantages and disadvantages of men? Would it be easier if you were a man?In my high school years, my counselor advised me it wouldn't be worth taking the ACT/SAT when I told them I'm from a poor family and didn't think I'd be able to afford college. I never had anyone in my family go to college, so I didn't know about these things. Of course come to find out, those let you qualify for scholarships so that was fan-fucking-tastic advice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/24 12:28 AM |
| 2 | CMV: You should be your partner's ONLY source of sexual fulfillmentI wonder if they're aware their partner is willing. It's common for men to complain their partner doesn't initiate. It's not always helpful for a partner to say they're available but never act on it towards you. It's easy to tell yourself inside you'd be imposing on them to ask them for some action. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/24 10:57 PM |
| 1 | It is worth sacrificing a marriage for a paternity test.Maybe there's a better way to have this conversation then. I guess I think of this question. I think what you say is fair. I understand how it would rock someone's foundation for this to come out of nowhere. I also understand how he (some generic man) might need an assurance that he's not being taken advantage of. Is there any way to come to a solution that works for both without hard feelings? Seems like the status quo doesn't really work, because we do have the rare man out there getting taken… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/24 08:35 PM |
| 1 | It is worth sacrificing a marriage for a paternity test.The first option has a 100 percent chance of greatly updating me and causing me to lose trust in our union and how you feel about me. The other option at least has a reasonable chance to avoid that (assuming he's not an idiot) But the reality that exists around you both is the same in either scenario. You have the same undermined relationship here, but are unaware of it. Maybe we just have personalities too different to reconcile this. I think, if there's a bad thing happening invisibly to me th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/24 08:10 PM |
| 1 | It is worth sacrificing a marriage for a paternity test.This is a separate issue than my original one, but let's talk about it. You say Your feelings are being hurt, our lives are at risk Well, I say you're underselling men's lives being at risk too. My mom was the physical abuser in our household. My earliest childhood memory is being in my sister's room screaming for my parents to stop while my mom beat my dad. I watched her and my grandma hit him over the head with a frying pan and step on his glasses on another incident. When I was 18, she threw … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/24 08:05 PM |
| -2 | It is worth sacrificing a marriage for a paternity test.Buddy, can I just be hurt by a thing without you trying to invalidate it? I understand that people need to take precautions. But can you understand that if everyone takes precautions against people like you every day of your life that that causes harm? Both things are true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/24 07:53 PM |
| 1 | It is worth sacrificing a marriage for a paternity test.But it would be him going behind your back thinking you're a liar, cheater, scammer, and that you can be relied on. Isn't that worse? Like it's all the bad from doing it upfront and directly, but with the added insinuation that you can't be trusted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/24 07:51 PM |
| – | It is worth sacrificing a marriage for a paternity test.If a man did that, and you found out, would you find it more acceptable than if he asked or would you be equally insulted? Personally I think most would feel even more betrayed. And it's setting him up to be an even bigger fall guy. If he gets found out, it'll be blasted to his whole family and social circle and he'll be seriously socially hurt in the process. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/24 07:46 PM |
| – | It is worth sacrificing a marriage for a paternity test.I understand that could be hurtful. But it also puts him in a double-bind. Either hurt you, or ignore looking after his own safety and well-being. Through that lens, it's not different than what women expect us to do every day we move through the world. We should not be hurt that strangers are cold to us, because we could be threatening to them. That it's insensitive for us to expect that others put aside their safety for our emotional well-being. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/24 07:39 PM |
| – | It is worth sacrificing a marriage for a paternity test.Except being cautious of a stranger isn't personally insulting to the stranger I mean, it absolutely is and men here and on other communities like askmen talk about it all the time. Existing in a society where every stranger is always cautious and suspicious of you every day has a compounding effect, and it does feel insulting. Why do you think we complain about it? Just to talk? It hurts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/24 07:31 PM |
| – | CMV: (long) You'd see less guys flocking to the ''manosphere'' if people were honest about the unfairness of dating.What kinds of structural changes would make women more willingly to be with men? What kind fo strategies are you referring to? Social education classes as part of grade school curriculum to build explicit social skills. Public investment in infrastructure for community programming aimed at people between ages 20 and 65 (currently, at least here, all of it is aimed at people under age 18 or people over retirement age). Just two examples that have nothing to do with imposing on women in any way. P… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/24 04:39 PM |
| – | CMV: (long) You'd see less guys flocking to the ''manosphere'' if people were honest about the unfairness of dating.The problem is making those issues about only one sex. Loneliness is not reserved to men. Well, at a certain point it's not useful to talk about generalized solutions anymore. What were doing for men right now isn't working, and the proof is in the pudding (social wellbeing statistics). We need specific, targeted, focused help and policy for men. Anything less isn't going to fix these issues. And we create targeted aid programs for women all the time, so I can't see how people don't see this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/24 04:27 PM |
| – | Are men becoming ok with no sex?Man, if you're gonna cast that stone then the flip side of this is women's ability to be on top is even less than that. Men are doing most of the work most of the time, and when a woman swaps she's got like 2 minutes of riding top. If either of you is in shape it's a different story, but for your average out of shape American that's how it goes. That strength and endurance difference in men vs women shows up in bedroom performance too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/24 01:29 PM |
| 1 | Women would finally understand why dating is unfair for many men if job hunting process was similar to men's modern dating experienceEh maybe, but at this point everyone is doing it and has been for a long time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/24 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Women would finally understand why dating is unfair for many men if job hunting process was similar to men's modern dating experienceI disagree that what you are saying is what people mean. I do believe it's meant as a judgment that they are a less worthy human than others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/24 05:39 PM |
| 2 | Calling men "pornsick" is a distraction from the fact that social media has over-exposed women to choiceAnd I’m curious — but of course feel free not to answer — why do you stay despite the strong sexual incompatibility? It wasn't like this in the beginning (probably NRE for the first year or two) so it wasn't an issue at all at first. So, we met in college and built ourselves up together while falling deeply in love. We've gone from poverty to professional success together. We've both had down times and have been there to lift each other up through things like depression, loss of a parent, things… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/24 04:04 AM |
| – | Calling men "pornsick" is a distraction from the fact that social media has over-exposed women to choiceI mean, I do. I'm saying that sometimes porn is the only way I can have even a taste of fantasy that isn't just missionary or lying on our sides. Many of us are high libido partners with low libido women. I love my partner dearly, but she only wants sex once every one-two months and and it can get pretty samey. It's like being someone who wants to try out new restaurants and experience variety, but your partner only likes to eat 3 things and you always have to eat what they eat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/24 01:43 AM |
| – | Calling men "pornsick" is a distraction from the fact that social media has over-exposed women to choiceFun kinks that aren't just missionary with the lights off every time, basically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/24 01:17 AM |
| 1 | Would you agree that the wage gap between the genders is mostly due to women's own choices?I'm not even talking about the manual laborers. Lots of desk jockeys produce valuable things, too. An architect is a desk jockey, for example. And better Archvis software is an automation of parts of that job. This exists across basically every industry to different extents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/24 12:52 AM |
| 1 | Would you agree that the wage gap between the genders is mostly due to women's own choices?Not really, even more fundamental than advertisement is automation, and automation has produced leaps and bounds of efficiency and productivity gains. All the software that people use for their jobs that becomes incrementally more feature rich and capable over the years is part of that automation. CAD, Excel, Adobe suite, zbrush, HR and business management software, software analytics tools, etc etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/24 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Why some men are willing to enter into LTR with a woman but reluctant to make her his wife? Some comments to another post opened my eyes. It seems we women can't really trust some 'relationship guys' even. It seems some guys also separate women from LTR & women who are fit to be the wifeThis is the definition of a straw man argument because you're projecting your own claims on me and arguing against them. You didn't ask what I believe, or why I believe it. You simply have absorbed some info you think describes atheists (and you likely learned these things from religious people describing us, not us describing ourselves). So yes, I can dismiss a thing I don't believe that you're saying I do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/24 04:08 PM |
| 2 | Why some men are willing to enter into LTR with a woman but reluctant to make her his wife? Some comments to another post opened my eyes. It seems we women can't really trust some 'relationship guys' even. It seems some guys also separate women from LTR & women who are fit to be the wifeMetaphysics refers to non-scientfic woo like crystal healing, holistic medicine, astrology, and all kinds of nonsense beliefs. It's not something associated with atheism at all. If anything, religious beliefs and their required magical thinking is much more aligned with the idea of metaphysics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/24 03:43 PM |
| 1 | The gender wage gap is caused by men not doing enough parenting.You know, I'd unironically rather work at an office like that than in a trade haha. Much more laid back, low stress. White collar tech companies are like this, and half the companies I was at were. Those were actually the ones that paid better. The offices that were more serious also had a culture to go along; beige cubicle farm, shitty nepo middle manager boss, low pay, cheap on equipment or other expenses. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/24 02:44 AM |
| 1 | What’s the point of telling women they’re expired?Well, don't forget about us who are traumatized by both lol. My dad was a jerk, but my mom was a violent domestic abuser. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/24 12:00 PM |
| 3 | The fundamental difference between misogyny and misandry: against "enlightened centrism"I'm sorry that you had women treat you badly in your life. I've had that happen, too. My mom was a domestic abuser to me, my dad, and my sisters. But you know what, my sisters are kind people and mothers to sons and daughters they treat well. And husbands they are kind to. And my wife, too, who is a feminist is also the most caring person I know. She lets me talk about men's issues to my hearts content and we sympathize together. Doesn't take it personally or as some sort of dig on women's probl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 05:06 PM |
| 3 | The fundamental difference between misogyny and misandry: against "enlightened centrism"Yeah, but why? How do you justify behaving that way and believe your way is correct? Like I get that's what you do, but why do you believe what you believe? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 04:35 PM |
| 3 | The fundamental difference between misogyny and misandry: against "enlightened centrism"Thats a stupid position that doesn't seem like it can be reconciled with a consistent philosophy, though. Or at least a philosophy that isn't rooted in bigotry. So how many people hold a position like that? 10? lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 04:28 PM |
| – | Ethically sex shouldn’t be considered a fundamental need like food, water and shelter.That other comment isn't exhaustive, so I'll just add there's also all the normal masculine -stereotype gender expectations we get raised with. Here's an example that I've been thinking about with my dad: I was recently telling him about how my wife was really excited for a videogame a couple days from release. He said "well, just let her know not to get too excited. She'll have it forever, just calm down" It made me think about growing up and when I was say 8-ish, coming back from the store whe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 02:13 PM |
| – | Ethically sex shouldn’t be considered a fundamental need like food, water and shelter.In my experience and looking around at my wider family, I think we neglect boys out of like a bias of assumed competence. In my life, my parents would always say yes to school extracurriculars or friend hangouts in a way they wouldn't for me. We lived out of the school district and commuted in, so our friends weren't in our neighborhood. So this meant my sister was able to bond & socialize at school and make many friends. Meanwhile I spent my time at home in my room playing videogames or reading… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 01:49 PM |
| – | Ethically sex shouldn’t be considered a fundamental need like food, water and shelter.His point is that the primary reasons that happens, though, is because of reasons outside of individual men's control. We are raised in a way that pushes men to not socialize with each other out whole young lives, and then women expect us to be equally as good as you at it. After you were raised with a lifetime of pushes to socialize and practice at it, and we weren't. Telling us to just reach out to each other can't work, and I've tried it. For years. I can't make the other person reach out bac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 11:56 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of malesalways find the leftist/woke denial of reality fascinating. Like yea, we know grown adults shouldn't murder each other or steal, or rape kids, or anything like that. But the fact that they think their personal moral outrage has any effect on it is truly remarkable. Well, the reason they hold that stance and take that approach is because they truly believe the issue can be solved with laws and/or government policy and enforcement. So it's something that doesn't really make sense to you maybe if y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/24 09:07 PM |
| 3 | What are some red flags you've personally experienced from the opposite sex?It's tough, because that also feels like a position that's really hard to respect. Like, people who don't think of politics at all and hold no importance on voting, for example, honestly just come across as a bit slow. I would wonder if that person really thinks deeply about anything, or if they're really superficial about their lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/24 05:34 PM |
| 4 | What is your end game?Cheers, and same here. Don't want to harm others, just want to carve out some empathy for men & some problem solving for the major non-romantic issues people talk about here all the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/24 03:23 PM |
| 2 | How can you expect sympathy from men on abortion rights, when we never had the freedom to unilaterally opt out of parenthood after conception?I can totally believe that. My sister almost died in her first pregnancy, and the experience of seeing doctors prioritize her child over her was shocking for all of us. I have a friend who was a long distraction runner before who lost a lot of her fitness that she may never get back. Pregnancy is definitely tough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 02:20 PM |
| 1 | How can you expect sympathy from men on abortion rights, when we never had the freedom to unilaterally opt out of parenthood after conception?Yeah, but call a spade a spade. If you have an abortion due to finances, or not being ready to be a parent then that doesn't fall under the bodily autonomy reason and some similar allowance should be extended to men as well. The bodily autonomy argument refers to medical decisions between a woman and her doctor, not having an abortion for any reason under the sun. And I support women's ability to have an abortion for those reasons! I just think we need to be honest and extend it to men also. Eve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 02:04 PM |
| 1 | How can you expect sympathy from men on abortion rights, when we never had the freedom to unilaterally opt out of parenthood after conception?Yikes, sorry to hear that. That sounds terrible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 01:58 PM |
| 2 | Is it a man's responsibility to turn a woman on?Men here are mentioning kinks/fantasies and I think that's a huge area where women miss. If you read the DB sub or even see women's comments here, they really only mention their appearance as the work they do to turn their men on. Idk about you guys, but for me fantasies/dirty talk and maybe playing on those things is like 2/3rds of the fun of the encounter. A beautiful woman that only wants to be vanilla all the time isn't very fun to sleep with in the long term. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/24 01:13 PM |
| 3 | Is it a man's responsibility to turn a woman on?I've had moments like your husband (man, who hasn't honestly? This is normal stuff). So many of these times my mind is in the mood/aroused/into her but the body isn't activating the same way. I honestly just think it's just an off hormone thing in the moment or something like that most of the time. So be kind to yourself, if he's saying it's got nothing to do with you maybe he feels like I have. Also, just to share a walk in my shoes for a moment: It feels really sad from the male side when you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/24 01:02 PM |
| 1 | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerOk so you have partial control over whether your kid is unruly. It's partly biology and partly bad luck. No chance to get out of that situation. Yeah I agree, especially if you have a small family or social support group. You have partial control over whether you work yourself into those golden handcuffs. Partly bad luck I guess. And you DO have the option to look for better Unfortunately, I think most people can wind up stuck like this though. It's hard to have an option to look for better if y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 06:14 PM |
| 1 | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerIf your child is unruly you can't just look for a better one. Agreed with you here > However, you can look for a better job whenever you want. Half agree, half disagree with this. In theory you can, but in practice there are a lot of forces to keep you in a job you hare. And we can kinda see the truth of this too anecdotally, because there's so much discussion online about people who feel stuck in bad jobs or deadend careers. As you gain more experience in your field, it becomes less and less re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 05:42 PM |
| 2 | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerUgh, and on top of that these shitty bosses control your livelihood! They have so much leverage on you that they know they can get away with the abuse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 03:46 PM |
| 3 | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerWell here's one and I mean it in good faith. Work is one of the few relationships you have in life where it's acceptable for people to be abusive to you. People's stories about being actually abused by their bosses among working people are basically ubiquitous. Depending on the role, that can be from customers or clients too. Many, many workplaces have problems with toxic managers. People that shout at you at work, or bully you into working unpaid overtime, as just a couple examples. People in t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Does modern dating and the cut throat social heirarchy breed emotional distance and encourage anti social personalities in men?I do think you have a point, we get treated with default indifference and sometimes hostility, with rare blips of nice interactions spread over your life. On the plus side, it made me realize I had to become impressive at everything I pursue to be worth anything as a person. On the downside, made me sort of jaded and emotionally blunted. It's just hard to think that much matters when everything you do and are is invisible to the people around you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/24 09:38 PM |
| 1 | CMV If 2 people agree beforehand that if the woman gets pregnant she’ll abort, and she subsequently changes her mind, the man should be able to opt out of all rights and responsibilitiesAs long as that becomes "all caregivers" and not all moms, that's how I feel too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 06:50 PM |
| 4 | Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak)Right, saying "whoever asks pays" is equal treatment is like saying "it's illegal to camp under bridges" affects everyone equally. It's true to the letter, but not to the spirit of the question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 06:50 PM |
| 3 | Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak)A lot of us see that not as something we want but something that is required of us to live a normal life. And sometimes you just are uninterested in pursuing wealth and power for it's own sake. Lots of us resent that, actually. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 04:49 PM |
| 1 | Whats the reason why Russian women want their man to be an ' handyman' or be able at fixing things in the house?You know, I'm not a person like who you're responding to but I have a relative who is. He's a carpenter and works like 50-60 hours a week usually doing that. And since he has done it his whole adult life, it translates to a million handyman skills. Their home is a beater that he bought cheap and completely restored over like 2 years before it was habitable. He built their deck. Fully renovated their kitchen. Built a $50k addition over most of a year. The big projects usually consume all his free… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/24 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Whats the reason why Russian women want their man to be an ' handyman' or be able at fixing things in the house?I think both of you are right about the amount of labor involved with each task. I do all the cooking/meal planning/grocery shopping too. If I do my job well, I'm cooking from-scratch meals 4 nights a week, at 1-2 hours per meal. Grocery shopping once per 1.5 weeks for 1 hour, meal planning once month to change up the rotation for 1 hour. But on top of the time spent above is the CONSTANT thoughts about what we're eating next today, what meat I need to rotate out of the freezer for 2 days to tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/24 02:41 PM |
| 2 | Whats the reason why Russian women want their man to be an ' handyman' or be able at fixing things in the house?But yeah I bet some dudes legit spray wd40 on a door hinge and say that's my duty for the year. Smh. Hey look, that's me lol. Time's just invested into other worthy pursuits, though, and this area is not where my main skills lie. My dad sees it like you, though, and we butt heads about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/24 02:29 PM |
| 5 | What if men were allowed to choose between a bear and a woman in a forest? Statistics show women more frequently assault men than bears - why hasn’t anyone pointed this out yet? Why does the “man = bad” paradigm fit so well in our society?I don’t doubt women hit me and if they do they should be arrested just like a man. But they don’t hurt them badly, rape them forcibly, or murder them. The statistics also bear out my experience: Again I will say it’s rare to see a man in ER or ICU from an assault by a woman. What I'm trying to get at is people like me and my father aren't captured in the stats. My dad was wounded badly enough several times from head blows that he should have seen the doctor. But he didn't, because he's also busy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 09:21 PM |
| 4 | What if men were allowed to choose between a bear and a woman in a forest? Statistics show women more frequently assault men than bears - why hasn’t anyone pointed this out yet? Why does the “man = bad” paradigm fit so well in our society?I'm the boy who grew up in a household where my dad was physically abused by my mom. I saw my dad get hit with a frying pan, a length of wood weilded as a club, and I saw my stepdad get slapped, pushed/shoved, burned with a cigarette, and be publically humiliated at family gatherings about sexual shaming. I saw my dad taken to jail at least once in an incident where I watched him try to hold my mom back from beating him more. As an adult, I've talked to my dad about his experience waking up one … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 05:01 PM |
| 3 | What if men were allowed to choose between a bear and a woman in a forest? Statistics show women more frequently assault men than bears - why hasn’t anyone pointed this out yet? Why does the “man = bad” paradigm fit so well in our society?How many of the men you never saw committed suicide because of their abuse? I don't see how people don't put 2 and 2 together. Men are killing themselves for myriad reasons in droves out there, domestic abuse is a major one and people just don't connect the dots. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 04:42 PM |
| – | Why do you think casual disrespect by women towards their male partners is so common? Is it really acceptable?Because most men don't care or put up a fuss, they don't tend to take it as an insult at all. Oh they care. They'll just let it chip away at an internal reserve of annoyance and then blow up when it gets to be too much. And in the meantime, some women will push more and more against him in the face of his seeming unreactiveness. Then he blows up in an angry yelling session, and only he gets seen as the problem not her. Source: this was my parents relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 01:13 PM |
| 1 | Most relationships end because men take advantage of their partner and stop putting in effort.It's missing the other 50% of the human experience involved. His actions aren't out of nowhere, and the men in this thread are explaining to you what they're feeling when that happens. So if you want to understand what's happening in your step 3, apply those motivations to what she's seeing happen and you have your answer. Both are true. She's seeing declining effort because that's what's happening. However, he's seeing lack of reciprocation / feeling like an unequal servant. So what he's doing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/24 06:44 PM |
| 2 | The reasons divorce sucks for men are social, not financialI think if you stripped away all the process, boiled the heart of it down to a single question: would you share split 50/50 custody of your kids? 80/100 men minimum would say yes. If we see vastly less men with custody than that, then I say it's not due to their free choice to do so, but rather than they are kept away against their will. That may be due to a hostile co-parent, it could be due to having a traditional sahm / working father relationship: men often can't afford a stable living situa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/24 04:18 AM |
| 2 | The reasons divorce sucks for men are social, not financialI don't understand what you're describing is already done. > But he won’t need it since he only wants to be a part time parent anyway Men like this exist. Men who want to be involved but are kept away by adversarial divorce and lack of money to fight for more custody is the more common scenario. Overwhelmingly, fathers and mothers prefer to be with their kids. If fathers are not as involved as mothers, the biggest contributing reason must be due to factors beyond the man's control. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/24 03:51 AM |
| 3 | The reasons divorce sucks for men are social, not financialFollowing that advice creates the issue you laid out originally. For fathers to get favorable custody terms for themselves, it's necessary. Want fathers to be active in their lives? Make it easy for them to afford legal counsel. Make it hard to lose your job for the time you'll have to take off work handling custody negotiations. Men care about their children and want to be parents. Remove the barriers and you fix it. Everybody wins. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/24 02:16 AM |
| 3 | The reasons divorce sucks for men are social, not financialYou're glossing over the work of coming up with an actual agreement. Both parties hire legal representation to negotiate in their interests. If you can't afford this, you're at a massive disadvantage in the negotiations. Your ex's lawyer is working to get you to accept the agreement that's most in their clients interest, regardless of it's impact on you. They will aggressively wear you down and make you believe that if this goes to court, it'll be drawn out (aka, you can't afford it). So you're … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/24 01:16 AM |
| 3 | The reasons divorce sucks for men are social, not financialYou still require a lawyer in that situation. If you don't have one, the party against you that did has a huge advantage in drawing out an agreement to their own benefit (and the other partners detriment). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/24 12:54 AM |
| 3 | The reasons divorce sucks for men are social, not financialMany men don't seek custody due to lack of means, not lack of desire. That process costs money, and the average family doesn't have the ability to cover a surprise $1000 expense from savings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/24 12:15 AM |
| 3 | The reasons divorce sucks for men are social, not financialIntuitively that makes sense right? They tend to be the person in a higher paying career more often in a relationship. But the key is what about the men who don't have a career? The ones with a job with variable hours, but a fixed child support demand. Or simply the man who already could barely afford a house in a 2-income household, but is now single and doesn't have access to even his full paycheck. That man is going to be set back 5-10 years of work to try and afford a home again. I watched t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/24 12:13 AM |
| 1 | Men, if you made $1M a year, would you want a bang maid or a 50/50 relationship?You say they hate working like it's a personality flaw. Conservative grind mentality is not a virtue. 30 hours and less is the dream. I worked a 32 hour workweek for a year and it felt incredible, like constantly being on vacation almost. Can't wait til I can just coast part time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/24 02:18 PM |
| 1 | Most of the advice women give automatically weeds out introverted menPlanning something every day is some serious extrovert energy. What kind of things are you doing to fill your weeks so full? I've been wanting to get out and socialize more lately, but a busy week for me is like 2 nights out with friend circle folks. I'm sure it's a lack of imagination, but I just don't really know what people do to get out regularly. I'm looking for those kinds of spaces though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/24 04:44 PM |
| 1 | Women are afforded a lot more leeway in what they can get away withWhy would you want this instead of men being treated less harshly to match? The US is already the most over-incarerated population in the world. I'd say the punishments for offenses here are too high overall, and equalizing at the level we punish women at is a huge step in the right direction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/24 02:33 PM |
| 1 | Post-Nut Clarity and what it suggests about malesKinda, yeah. It's not really voluntary either, and only lasts a couple of minutes. There's been a lot of times I've tried to hold the feelings of the moment in my mind to keep it from happening too, and you just can't do it 99 times out of 100. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/24 11:00 PM |
| – | Post-Nut Clarity and what it suggests about malesYeah I agree with this. It's like complete emotional emptiness. The closest feeling to relate to is probably depression. Like, the kind where you just want to lay on the floor and stare at the ceiling because you feel nothing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/24 08:33 PM |
| 1 | Do BP Women actually believe you can be truly egalitarian and 50-50 with children?The mother-child bond is just so reinforced. If you're the default stay at home parent, the default to get parental leave after birth, you have more hours per day to bond with your child by far. Many men work more than 40 hours a week. My dad had to work 55-70 hours a week in a factory job for us to get by. He had to switch to night shifts (better pay) for us to make ends meet, meaning he had to sleep during a lot of our waking hours. All of these things just compound and mean fathers on average… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/24 02:49 PM |
| 1 | Do you know any guys who are REALLY unsuccessful with women? What's their story?Those conventions sound like such a blast! I wish I still had the confidence to be in crowds. I would totally head to one if I was able to handle it. Just remember that a lot of the people who attend felt similar when they started. The cool thing is though, (especially when you're into indie games) people are EXCITED for total newcomers. Everyone wants to help you have a good time and build the community. People are so welcoming and eager to take time to play together. All ages too. I've had bot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/23 12:39 PM |
| 1 | Do you know any guys who are REALLY unsuccessful with women? What's their story?Sounds pretty cool. Might not be my cup of tea since I've been moving to smaller, more indie games over time but maybe it is pretty interesting. Shoot me some more info if you like, it'd be fun to look at. My ttrpg progression has been like... D&D4e -> pathfinder 1e -> OSR games like Dungeon Crawl Classics, Old School Essentials, Stars/Worlds without number -> NSR games like Cairn, Into the Odd, Mothership. If those mean anything to you, maybe you've got a feel for my interests now. If they don'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/23 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Do you know any guys who are REALLY unsuccessful with women? What's their story?Buddy, please don't say that. You have value as a person, and the world would be worse off for your loss. I don't know you, but you sound pretty cool. Among all the other things you listed that were cool, I thought the making your own RPG thing was cool AF. Videogame or tabletop RPG? I'm a big fan of tabletop RPGs so I hope it's that haha (mostly bc I play a lot less videogames these days), but also videogame RPGs have been pretty fun through my life too. Maybe you can connect / find some commun… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/23 12:09 AM |
| 2 | Fathers work harder overall than mothers on average.All secretaries are obviously women, especially the one in particular making this mistake- a male would never make that mistake The overwhelming majority of secretaries employed at schools are women yes. A man could absolutely make that mistake, it would still be institutionalized bias against men in that case too. Said secretary then has an additional bias towards men as well, and sexism towards men is the problem! A male secretary at a school would also have a bias in favor of women over men. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/23 09:45 PM |
| 3 | Fathers work harder overall than mothers on average.You’re not laying this out in good faith or as a majority phenomenon that this is always the reason why women are the primary default parent. I'm not trying to lay it out as a majority phenomenon. It doesn't have to be to make my point. What I'm trying to point out in good faith is that, like women have been socialized growing up to not see themselves in STEM roles, men are socialized to not see themselves in caregiver roles. And I was grabbing one of your points to demonstrate that what you sai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/23 09:43 PM |
| 5 | Fathers work harder overall than mothers on average.It's an explanation for the problem you laid out, without placing the blame on men who are actually the ones being hurt in this situation. They aren't the primary caregivers because there are institutional pressures forcing them not to be. Wonder why there’s such an implicit bias tho… hm… whyever could that be.. Yeah, it's called the women are wonderful effect. What gender do you think the school office worker is that chooses to call the mother every time instead of the father who has indicated … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/23 08:55 PM |
| 3 | Fathers work harder overall than mothers on average.Do you really think schools call dad first to get a sick/injured child when mom is around? Have you ever read men's posts where even when they are the stay at home father, and they indicate this to the school, the school still only calls the mother no matter what? There's institutional bias against men here on this point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/23 08:23 PM |
| 49 | Where have all the good men gone?Because we saw our parents marriages. Saw how our Dad's actually felt. It is brutal. No kidding. My dad worked 70hr weeks night shifts in a factory for 30 years to barely scrape by, and my mom tried to kill him several times. Eventually they divorce, she gets the house. He had to move in with his parents, took years to get an apartment. Eventually saved up a down payment for a $100k home. Had a stroke during the 2008-2012 housing crash and his job closed shop. Age early 50s at this point. Bank r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/23 01:05 AM |
| 7 | Where have all the good men gone?Chicken or egg? I think life is bleak for an increasing number of men. Hard to want to strive for anything when you're miserable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/23 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Roe v. Wade Mega-ThreadIn MI we have some crufty ancient law still on the books that's back into effect. And our attorney general said they won't enforce it. It's a weird place here. We've had a blue leaning population for a long time, but republican controlled legislature for decades. But hey, this election cycle the new un-gerrymandered election maps should be in play. So instead of a map that moderately favors republicans (R+2.0 or so on 538) we now have one that only very slightly favors them (R+.4 or something li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/22 01:35 PM |
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