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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation?		white_crust_delivery	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/14 08:43 PM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
2	Does a Woman Have Any Responsibility at all to Protect Herself Against Sexual Assault? It's true that inviting someone back to her place and then not wanting to have sex might be misleading and socially awkward. It's also true that women (and men) have a right to do this, or they may have changed their minds after inviting the other person - obviously they aren't obligated to have sex with this person though, if that's what you mean by "consequences."	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/16 10:05 AM
1	Taboo topic time: the day we realized our own mothers were essentially hypergamous by nature. That's true, but just because you're "ignoring" them doesn't mean they aren't affecting your behavior, if anything they might affect you more	/r/TheRedPill	15/07/16 10:38 PM
2	Taboo topic time: the day we realized our own mothers were essentially hypergamous by nature. It's not about ignoring them, it's the opposite: you're supposed to be aware of those thoughts so that you can understand how they affect you and change them when it's important	/r/TheRedPill	15/07/16 09:31 PM
1	Taboo topic time: the day we realized our own mothers were essentially hypergamous by nature. That's definitely not the point of meditation.	/r/TheRedPill	14/07/16 03:17 AM
9	Found my husband's red pill readings- how do I build trust again? It wouldn't shock me if he deliberately left the chat open. I think its pretty clear from your other posts that he was 'dread gaming' you - he probably wanted you to see. Especially since now you feel bad for doing so, so catching him being a manipulative asshole still ends up with you feeling guilty when he's the one doing the wrong thing.	/r/ExRedPill	12/04/16 01:53 AM
1	Do what he says. What I think you mean to say is "I don't have a response to the really rational point you just made." Regardless, although I know you guys aren't really fans of people questioning your views, I guess I'm just genuinely trying to understand how you could possibly prefer that situation. Like I said, there are probably situations where you're more capable of making a decision than your husband is. Doesn't having your autonomy restricted like this bother you at all?	/r/RedPillWomen	31/03/16 01:39 AM
2	Do what he says. Can there really only be only one captain though? Surely there are some domains in which you are more knowledgable and better at making decisions than he is. A functional team can work a little better than unilateral leadership when responsibilities and decisions are distributed to those who are most capable of making them. I fail to see how your husband being male somehow endows him with superior decision making in every domain.	/r/RedPillWomen	31/03/16 01:28 AM
2	Do what he says. What if he's wrong and you're right (and he doesn't take your opinion into consideration)?	/r/RedPillWomen	31/03/16 01:18 AM
3	Do what he says. What if you think of something that he hasn't considered when making his decision?	/r/RedPillWomen	31/03/16 12:42 AM
9	Is it wrong to call rape and sexual assault victims "survivors"? Almost everyone in this thread is a total moron. The word survivor has multiple meanings, one of them is to persist after experiencing trauma or hardship in life. It doesn't require that those hardships necessarily be potentially lethal. It's pretty reasonable to consider rape a traumatic experience in life. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/survivor	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/16 02:12 AM
9	Can I learn to trust an ex redpill guy? But the only thing that makes trp unique is their horrible mysogyny and sexism. So if you try and ignore that to only look for fitness advice, you're much better off using subreddits which exclusively give advice for those self improvement things (r/fitness, r/getdisciplined, etc.)	/r/ExRedPill	19/11/15 02:17 PM
7	Can I learn to trust an ex redpill guy? You're going to have to justify that opinion if you want to be at all convincing.	/r/ExRedPill	19/11/15 02:15 PM
16	Can I learn to trust an ex redpill guy? https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/2nj2ed/my_compilation_of_posts_on_why_trp_is_sexist_and/ Pick your favorite.	/r/ExRedPill	19/11/15 02:11 AM
3	Post a picture of what you consider to be an "average" and "hot" person of the gender you are attracted to. Perhaps it would yield different results if people specified whether they would date the person they listed. Women (in general) seem like they tend to value attractiveness less than men do when selecting partners, who so while there might be a higher threshold for what a woman considers attractive, that doesn't mean that its hopeless for the average guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/15 09:56 PM
1	What goes through a modern woman's head when you approach her casually in public? Even if I were interested though, it doesn't change the fact that it would be difficult to end the interaction if weren't - that just makes it naturally uncomfortable. I don't understand why you think it's so important to approach women while running errands instead of just doing so in situations where everyone involved is participating in a certain activity because they're interested in socializing.	/r/askTRP	18/10/15 03:25 PM
1	What goes through a modern woman's head when you approach her casually in public? It's more than that though. It's this obnoxious in between state where I know the guy is likely interested in something else, but I can't say anything without looking arrogant. I've talked about this with several different groups of my female friends, and all of us agree that it sucks to be put in that position	/r/askTRP	18/10/15 12:39 PM
0	What goes through a modern woman's head when you approach her casually in public? Thank you. Honestly I don't really date or hook up, I just don't have time or a compelling interest. In that way, my perspective might differ from the average woman. I do understand your dilemma though - I think I would feel the same anxiety even if were interested in dating or sex, so I can understand how it might be unclear how men are ever supposed to approach women. Perhaps this 'casual' approach could be improved if it were a more clear social setting. Bars and clubs might be an example, bu…	/r/askTRP	17/10/15 11:25 PM
2	What goes through a modern woman's head when you approach her casually in public? I think I'm going to regret this, but on the off chance you actually want a woman's perspective about what a woman's subjective experience is like, I'm going to go ahead and chip in. Honestly I usually feel mildly anxious when men "casually approach" me in public. I feel this way both when they are attractive or unattractive. I feel anxious because it's very difficult to read the situation. I have the impression that he likely is interested in something more than just the detergent, and I'd like…	/r/askTRP	17/10/15 10:44 PM
1	Why do you get mad at Red Pill Men but not Red Pill Women? The fact that the third one is a joke is the whole problem. For the first two, it's more than just a relationship style that I myself am not particularly interested in. They involve a relationship dynamic which inherently classifies the woman's judgment and autonomy as inferior and less important. It certainly supports my claims about lacking autonomy and internalized inferiority - perhaps you're trying to attack the idea that those are bad things?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/15 09:01 PM
2	Why do you get mad at Red Pill Men but not Red Pill Women? I appreciate your lack of hostility in spite of our radically different perspectives. That seems to be so rare in humans these days...	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/15 08:33 PM
3	Why do you get mad at Red Pill Men but not Red Pill Women? Do you think that physical strength should be the metric to determine a person's value? Few are denying that are generally stronger than women, most people on my side of this argument just see it as irrelevant. As for intelligence, you might be able to find a couple of studies showing men have a marginally higher average intelligence. However that average says nothing about the specific individuals you interact with (to believe otherwise would be a 'population fallacy'). That means that gender i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/15 12:51 PM
1	Why do you get mad at Red Pill Men but not Red Pill Women? http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3m20os/z/cvb92wd I've provided some examples here. Being submissive isn't inherently internalized inferiority, but it certainly can be when the belief that one is inferior is the justification for being submissive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/15 12:46 PM
1	Why do you get mad at Red Pill Men but not Red Pill Women? http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3m20os/z/cvb92wd I added some examples in an edit to this comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/15 12:45 PM
3	Why do you get mad at Red Pill Men but not Red Pill Women? Nope. Mostly just the ones with internalized inferiority, clearly in an abusive relationship, and/or no independently defined identity. Sure, women certainly do oppress each other sometimes. That's just not usually the impression I get from RPW Alright here's some evidence, taken from some of the top posts of all time https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/26ircj/my_so_is_dead/ here's a case where an RPW's so dies tragically. She has no goals or ambitions thar weren't centered around him…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/15 12:17 PM
2	Why do you get mad at Red Pill Men but not Red Pill Women? Red pill women seem like they've completely interalized the red pill idea that they're inferior. A lot of the women on r/redpillwomen seem like they're in an abusive relationship that they think they deserve or is somehow permissible. Many of them seem to define themselves by their significant other. It tends to make me frustrated with the situation, but I feel pity rather than anger for those women because I see them as victims.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/15 12:08 PM
7	This was just featured on iFunny, with 147,000 likes If you don't mind me asking, what exactly is the psychological motivations for your eating disorder? There seems to be less societal pressure for men to be ridiculously thin like there is with female models (in fact, a lot of men seem like they're self conscious of being too thin). Is it about control perhaps? Or something else, just genuinely curious.	/r/MensRights	02/07/15 01:57 AM
9	My local Police station just posted this on their facebook page :) Neither do I. I'm a woman and it makes perfect sense to me. It seems about as absurd as notions that women can't get pregnant from rape because their body "shuts down." People can be so ignorant.	/r/MensRights	17/06/15 04:52 PM
10	My local Police station just posted this on their facebook page :) You might be able to help these women understand by making an analogy to vaginal wetness not necessarily being an indicator that a woman wants sex.	/r/MensRights	17/06/15 03:40 PM
2	Why should women get educated at all ? Most traditionally male jobs will likely be automated before traditionally female ones. Namely, construction, factory work, manufacturing, etc. Meanwhile teaching and nursing are on the rise in terms of demand, and are unlikely to automated in the near feature because of the emphasis on personal touch and the fact that it usually requires a good amount of judgment and ability to adapt to unforeseeable circumstances.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/15 07:58 PM
2	Why should women get educated at all ? Yeah, I'd like to see a source on that. Also, if the issue is too large of a labor force and we somehow need to make categorical exclusions, why do it based on gender? Half of all geniuses are female, why exclude them? It would be wiser to exclude on the basis of intelligence or aptitude if we're truly trying to create discriminatory working market. But really, do you actually believe that's necessary?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/15 07:54 PM
2	Why should women get educated at all ? How? Losing half our labor force (and intelligent minds) and a skyrocketing birthrate would be catastrophic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/15 03:38 AM
8	Why should women get educated at all ? Why do you think that a woman's place is in the home? What about women who don't want to get married or have kids at all? You talk about birth rates, but why do we want to increase those? We don't exactly have a struggling population	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/15 03:26 AM
2	"When the Rapist Doesn't See It as Rape" Yes, I have. You have to read between the lines with studies like this in my experience, not just read what sounds nice and what they say they're going to try to do. Firstly, a sample size of just over 100 for a study like this is pretty damning even without consideration of anything else in the study. But the methodology is also at least suspicious. Kanin says what you quoted, but doesn't really elaborate any further about some kind of systemic way of determining a false accusation beyond this …	/r/TheRedPill	26/05/15 12:43 PM
1	"When the Rapist Doesn't See It as Rape" So naturally the defense amounts to "we looked at what he said he was gonna do and figured that was swell enough" a la RADAR and AVFMS but the problem is he didn't fucking do any of it and PDs are notorious for bad data when women are involved. I honestly doubt most opinions are that well reasoned. If people are being honest, its probably much closer to "this data supports my POV, so I'm just going to blindly defend it." I don't really think that false rape accusations or women being holed in in…	/r/TheRedPill	26/05/15 12:24 PM
8	"When the Rapist Doesn't See It as Rape" Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I actually understated it by listing the .76%. Its the original commenter who fails at math, and I failed to check theirs. The study (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf ) that I looked up just for the sake of reference and verification when I originally commented says 76 in 1000 (pretty common for epidemiological studies). So now we're at 7.6%. Per year. ouch. I know these words will be ignored here, but that's actually a really bad rape problem.	/r/TheRedPill	26/05/15 05:35 AM
13	"When the Rapist Doesn't See It as Rape" Have you actually read the Kanin study? He investigated one small town (total of 109 complaints during that 9 year period) and his metrics were pretty lousy - he used whatever the police determined to be a false accusation (without need for articulating a justification) and counted women who simply recanted their statements. Women could have recanted for a variety of reasons, such as sheer intimidation from police (particularly offering a polygraph test) but that doesn't mean that they were lyin…	/r/TheRedPill	26/05/15 04:32 AM
1	Fifty percent of lesbian women experience domestic violence How am I an anti-male bigot for finding slurs against the lgbtq movement distasteful and offensive? Ironically, I think the contrary is true - I'd like to actually help men and some of the actually legitimate causes the MRM brings up, but y'all are shooting yourselves in the foot by promoting articles like this. You might want to care about how the general population perceives MRAs if you want to actually accomplish change in a society which depends on relatively democratic means to garner the p…	/r/MensRights	09/05/15 05:00 PM
6	Fifty percent of lesbian women experience domestic violence Its using childish, offensive articles like this one that make the men's rights movement not taken seriously by a vast majority of the general population. It might shed light on an important issue and breaking out of stereotypes, but promoting it through this type of tasteless media is probably not very strategic... The entire article is litered with slurs, and seems to carry a tone of smug satisfaction about the issue rather than actually caring about it as a cause. This isn't any better than t…	/r/MensRights	09/05/15 08:39 AM
-1	Always with the double standards. "I spite of extensive empirical evidence, I'm going to continue to rationalize my poorly founded, sexually frustrated beliefs based on anecdotal evidence! Also, I'm not a misogynist, I just hate women who have a height preference but I think all women are that way. But I totally don't hate all women somehow." Do you even listen to yourself when you talk?	/r/MensRights	18/01/15 02:20 AM
-1	Always with the double standards. Actually there's pretty well documented evidence that men seem to care more about physical attractiveness than women do. Women tend to be attracted to traits like funniness, intelligence, etc. as a substitute for atttactiveness, whereas men tend to see those things as add ons but don't care if she isn't already attractive. Sure, it's easier for an average looking woman to get sex. But, I bet it's equally hard, if not harder, for a women to go out and pick up a sexual partner who is actually will…	/r/MensRights	18/01/15 01:42 AM
-2	Always with the double standards. Lol I'm not the one who is having issues attracting people to me. My point was more that you call all women that. I think you specifically are a whiny pissy misogynist. If I thought all men were that way I would probably also have issues finding people who are attracted to me too	/r/MensRights	18/01/15 12:50 AM
-2	Always with the double standards. Are you sure it's not just that most women aren't attracted to angry bitter men who call them pathetic cunts?	/r/MensRights	18/01/15 12:31 AM
-4	Always with the double standards. Dear god, what are you doing browsing downvoted comments on month old threads? Anyways, if you had bothered to actually read the comment that you purged from the depths of this thread, you would realize that I openly admitted to a height preference in my comment. My point was that in spite of my height preference, I also have preferences that are very much within a person's control like physical fitness and intelligence (which I see as something that can be developed with effort in intellectual …	/r/MensRights	17/01/15 10:57 PM
1	How does Blue Pill explain the "Sexodus"? Good for you! I already said that's not true for all gamers. It's just a generalization that I've noticed from my experiences with such individuals.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/14 07:33 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid Also you have no idea how frequent or infrequent false accusations are. Nobody does. Pretty much all of the attempts at measuring it suck - I've reviewed all the ones I could find (2%, 8%, 40% one) and all of them have terrible methodology. I tell this to feminists who pretend that they never happen too.	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 04:13 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid your whole argument is based on the fact that you think men's issues aren't important. When did I say that?	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 04:02 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid Saying that men are exaggerating the issues and that antifeminism isn't necessary to support the ones that are important isn't against men's rights either	/r/MensRights	28/12/14 11:48 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid Yeah, and now you're telling people who oppose men's rights at all (or argue that the two don't have to be against each other) that they aren't welcome here.	/r/MensRights	28/12/14 11:31 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid No, /r/feminism and tumblr show what teenagers/college students do when they're all just reblogging each other as their only source of information, and are young and naive and still trying to understand the information that they see and form their opinions. More tumblr than /r/feminism I think; if you actually subscribed to /r/feminism you might realize that its not just filled with bra burning feminazis who want destroy all men and take over with their ideas about female supremacy.	/r/MensRights	28/12/14 10:36 PM
1	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid Yeah, actually responding to my arguments is hard - its easier I suppose to just tell me that I'm not welcome. Yes, I lurk in AMR. I also lurk/participate in /r/tumblrinaction, /r/fatlogic, /r/TalesofPrivilege, and anything else I can find which also actively makes fun of the stupidity that comes out of radical left wing 'anti-oppressive' politics. I like browsing /r/mensrights because periodically you guys come up with some pretty good issues/arguments that I do in fact integrate into my belief…	/r/MensRights	28/12/14 10:18 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid A couple of hysterical teenagers = all feminists now? What they did was wrong and stupid, but do you have any citations for a modern, legitimate feminist publishing peer reviewed articles advocating against circumcision/delegitimizing assault or rape or something like that? I won't deny that a lot of the stuff that comes out of 'anti-oppressive' politics on college campuses/tumblr is absurd and stupid, but that doesn't really translate into being able to characterize all of feminism that way.	/r/MensRights	28/12/14 10:07 PM
17	How does Blue Pill explain the "Sexodus"? "Do you watch porn and play video games all day? Blame feminism!" That's honestly how that article reads to me. There's a variety of issues with this article: Firstly, I think its unhealthy to focus on sex like its the ultimate return. Its at least immature. This way of seeing things, in conjunction with the whole 'alpha' and 'beta' male classification is a really simplistic view of these interactions. There's so much more to life or even just relationships than that. Many people don't enjoy goi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/14 10:12 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid Hardly any difference. 1% is hardly a difference. 5% is worth noticing - I can't help but to wonder if you would dismiss nearly any percentage I gave you as negligible. Show me the feminists rallying against those things. You still have yet to really answer why MRAs are so fixated on being against feminism rather than focusing on really serious issues that don't actually contradict feminism anyways.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 09:55 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid That is usually the result of women not choosing those fields, not discrimination. To me that's still a feminist issue. Women are socialized to believe that they should be housewives instead of having high powered careers. There's nothing wrong with being a housewife, but I don't think that they're making these choices in a vacuum. For instance, women and men who graduate from harvard have similar ambitions in terms of wanting a good career and family. Women tend to expect that the childcare/hou…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:49 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid I'm not saying the feminism can 'solve' all issues related to men. All I'm saying is that two movements for 'equality' really shouldn't be contradicting or against each other. Sure, feminism is naturally more biased towards focusing on issues that are related to women. I invite men's rights activists to focus on issues related to men. That is not the same thing as being against feminism - the two movements could work together but instead they both get into this really petty "boys vs girls" menta…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:22 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid No, MRM can be misogynistic (and tends to get a reputation as such) because they focus on 'anti-feminism' rather than actual men's issues. Instead of focusing on reforming/improving/refining feminism by pointing out the ways in which it has perhaps neglected or infringed upon men's rights, many people here seek to "end" it completely. This makes you look misogynistic because while feminism may have its flaws, its definitely still applicable and relevant and there are many situations where women …	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 04:36 AM
1	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid Well technically I identify as both, sort of. I think men's rights has a lot of relevant points about circimcision, male rape/assault not being taken seriously, mental health (suicide), prostate cancer, education. I wish the movement would focus on those things.	/r/MensRights	26/12/14 10:55 PM
1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? Agnostic atheists believe that it's highly unlikely that there is a diety, but acknowledge that they can never truly know or prove the existence of a high power. In some ways, being an atheist in saying that you 'know' there is no God could almost be considered a religious stance, considering there isn't a real way to ever truly know something like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 09:27 PM
1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? But does that mean it should? Physical strength used to matter much more than it does now. The United States was successful in enslaving black people, that doesn't mean that what they did was justified or black people are inferior for letting themselves get enslaved..	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 08:23 PM
0	I tried to have a civil conversation with a "feminist" on okcupid I'm likely to get downvoted, but I'd just like to point out the way that she describes MRAs is the way that they tend to present themselves to the world. I support certain issues that you guys advocate for (circumcision, assault, mental health, prostate cancer) but so often you put of the front of being 'anti-feminist' and borderline misogynistic that you really shouldn't be surprised when people react that way to you being an MRA.	/r/MensRights	26/12/14 05:36 PM
1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? You clearly don't understand rape	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 05:01 PM
1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? The only reason men have generally been scientists and engineers historically is because women have literally been forbidden from participating. Read a history textbook...	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 05:01 PM
0	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? "sluttitude" Moving on. Can you give a good example or evidence for that claim? Most atheists in the United States don't see things that way. I'd also like to note the distinction between infidelity and having multiple sexual partner's throughout one's life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 07:59 AM
1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? Ok. We should start raping men in massive numbers too? Edit: it looks like he deleted his comment, but it was something to the effect of forcing women to kill themselves so that male and female suicide rated would be equal. Stay classy, red pillers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 07:30 AM
1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? What currently works or what used to work when religion/traditionalism started?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 07:29 AM
-1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? Well, I'm not si sure that most mainstream societal views are claiming it's 100% nurture. It's certainly not all genetics either. I think they're just acknowledging that it seems like one can fairly effectively influence human behavior. For instance, women make very good scientists and engineers, in spite of a history of not being allowed to participate in such things. Some women are terrible mothers while some men are quite nurturing. There's a couple of things TRP seems somewhat blind to: 1. T…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 07:28 AM
1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? lol you sound like a lunatic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 02:43 AM
0	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? Its really unclear what you're trying to communicate here...	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 01:57 AM
1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? until we finally achieve the end of women. Do you realize how distorted from reality you sound? You come across as very naive. Are you saying there's a point where women will no longer exist, or are you arguing for the end of feminism? If you're trying to get rid of an entire gender, I think it would probably be better to get rid of men... Men seem to responsible for most wars and dictatorships, a sense of violence and aggression that's no longer really relevant to our society. In terms of repro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 01:28 AM
2	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? While I disagree, this is probably one of the notably more coherent and better articulated views in this thread. It does seem like TRP is doing a bit more than acknowledging how things are. They do this, but then they also reinforce that reality and encourage it. I think social behavior is at least somewhat mutable, so while humans have historically had things like gender roles, I don't think they are completely permanent aspects of our society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 12:33 AM
2	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? Well, virginity made a lot of sense before both control. Not so much these days	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 12:28 AM
2	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? Huh. How do you reconcile the fact that TRP's social views tend to clash with many liberal social views (feminism, anti-traditionalism, etc.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/14 11:08 PM
0	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? Sure, but most of those ideas are heavily associated with religion - (most) atheists tend to be more (modern IMO) accepting of alternative views. TRP heavily mirrors Christian (or many other religious denominations) values. The reason I believe that most atheists don't really think that way is because many of those values don't make sense in a modern context. Virginity made sense when there wasn't birth control. Male dominance made sense when humans were hunter gatherers and physical strength wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/14 10:49 PM
1	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? Can you list some so that we're on the same page before I try to respond?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/14 10:46 PM
5	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? I think your analogy is lousy but thank you for responding and sharing your beliefs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/14 09:17 PM
4	Red pillers: What is your religious affiliation? Obviously the beliefs aren't technically mutually exclusive. Its just that usually people who care about how many men a women has slept with tend to do so for religious reasons. I can't think of many reasons why it would bother somebody otherwise, beyond insecurity and potentially beliefs about other character traits associated with many sexual partners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/14 08:59 PM
4	Always with the double standards. Its more than just being athletic and thin/toned. There's a pretty substantial trend towards a 'feminine figure' with a certain 'hip to waist' ratio and larger breasts. Just because a few random corners of the internet have "BBW" fetishes doesn't mean that there isn't a general societal trend towards a very specific body type. I think you misunderstand that its not really just going for an occasional jog that allows women to stay in shape and be attractive - women build muscle less easily and ou…	/r/MensRights	18/12/14 04:51 AM
-7	Always with the double standards. Well, currently everyone here is shaming women for having height preferences. So which do you want - no shaming for anyone, or equal shaming? I'm inclined to pick no shaming either way - I don't really think physical attraction is very easy to consciously control so its pretty unreasonable to judge people's preferences in that regard. The main point my post was that I have definite preferences like intelligence and fitness that are very much so in a person's ability to change. I won't lie and sa…	/r/MensRights	18/12/14 04:02 AM
1	Always with the double standards. yeah, I'll agree that the height thing is really harsh. I can't really control it though, which is why I tend to be more lenient and avoid judging others for their preferences in physical attractiveness. While I will agree that there is more diversity in men's attraction to different types of women, I'd say that there are some general societal trends that tend to be quite unrealistic and not very accommodating towards most female body types in the same way that there can be unrealistic expectati…	/r/MensRights	18/12/14 03:47 AM
-4	Always with the double standards. Ah, that's a pretty big assumption - physical preferences are a natural part of attraction. It would be silly to shame people unless their preferences are excessive or causing other people direct harm (e.g. a boyfriend putting intense, unhealthy pressure on his already thin girlfriend to lose more weight or something).	/r/MensRights	18/12/14 03:10 AM
-7	Always with the double standards. Lol being intelligent and in shape are both typically more important to me. I will admit to having a height preference though. But, I'm pretty sure men think much more about penis sizes than women. Edit: I consider all down votes to be a direct quantification of your insecurities and sexual frustration	/r/MensRights	18/12/14 12:43 AM
2	Is drunken sex rape? I agree definitely about the immorality of coercing somebody to have sex using alcohol/drugs (or any form of coercion). While it might be difficult to prove in court, that moral principle should certainly dictate social norms and potential peer intervention when those circumstances do arise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/14 09:37 PM
2	Is drunken sex rape? At any level of intoxication? What about somebody who is typically sort of shy, but wants to be more outgoing/bold and is able to do so with a little bit of alcohol? What about somebody who gets drunk on their own, and just happens to have their inhibitions lowered? I think people are still capable of making decisions at a moderate level of intoxication, and that we shouldn't entirely undermine their agency in making those decisions. Drunk sex that somebody regrets isn't necessarily rape, especi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/14 04:24 PM
5	Is drunken sex rape? Yeah that's true, the issue is just drawing lines. Like the picture I painted is very clearly rape, but it's plausible I think that somebody could be somewhat less drunk but still not have a clear understand of the situation or what they're participating in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/14 04:33 PM
16	Is drunken sex rape? I don't think its inherently rape, but I think it can be. If a person is so intoxicated that he or she literally cannot consent (because they don't even comprehend the situation, don't have the muscle coordination to display discomfort/unwillingness, or can't even talk effectively enough to communicate consent or lack thereof) and another person is relatively sober or buzzed, I think that the sober(ish) person is a rapist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/14 08:59 PM
0	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to On power seeking behavior - I'm not saying that its a bad thing. But its distinct from ambition, which can characterize itself in numerous ways (power seeking is one of them but not the only way). It fits it better - men seem to like being 'in charge,' in a certain way, it seems sometimes. Nothing wrong with that. To be clear on intersectionality, I'm in no way saying that men's rights aren't necessary because all of those problems can be solved by feminism. I'm only saying its really dumb that …	/r/MensRights	05/12/14 06:06 AM
-1	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to Regardless of whether the pay gap exists, they're not lying - they probably genuinely believe that it does exist (a lie is an intention to deceive). But even when you account for factors like hours worked, type of job, there's still a ~4-7% distinction that cannot be accounted for.	/r/MensRights	05/12/14 03:57 AM
-1	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to Actually statistically women are homeless much more than men, especially single mothers. The homeless men myth gets circulated on this subreddit a lot but isn't actually true	/r/MensRights	05/12/14 03:47 AM
-3	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to The point is to show how sexist and unfair the pay gap is - the fact that it's sexist and wrong to charge men and women differently is supposed to be upsetting, and it's how they perceive women trying to make a living in a context where sexism is much bigger than bake sales. It's one thing to criticize the extent to which the pay gap actually exists, it's another to do what half the people here are doing which is actually get upset about 'sexism' in something as minor as a bake sale	/r/MensRights	05/12/14 03:09 AM
-4	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to I think you and I define sexism a bit differently - I think its possible to notice gender differences without thinking one gender is inferior/imposing gender roles. For instance, just because I notice that women /men sometimes prefer different jobs (construction vs primary education), doesn't mean that I think men or women shouldn't pursue jobs outside their gender expectations if they choose to and are competent. Its just not sexist to say that there aren't many male kindergarten teachers becau…	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 09:33 PM
-2	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to Your logic is bulletproof.	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 07:30 PM
-4	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to it would be monetarily foolish for the household to have the man spend time doing the chores. That's probably true, that doesn't mean its a good thing. I think its horrible couples are forced to make a decision like that. In reality it's just that women prefer to pair up with higher paid men. [citation needed] If women in this study didn't want their husband's careers to take precedence (I'm assuming women who graduate from Harvard are fairly ambitious and not exactly just interested in marrying…	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 07:04 PM
-3	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to not nondisclosure of departments that replied Are you saying they're lying? This is a fairly common practice to protect the privacy and anonymity of participants. 6 large major research universities isn't a definitive sample size, but its a good start and the sample size is large enough to at least not make the data meaningless (that doesn't mean that larger follow up studies wouldn't be valuable). contradicted by many other studies, like this one You're going to have to spell it out for me. I d…	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 06:53 PM
-4	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to Perhaps women would work more hours if there wasn't a social expectation that women will handle a majority of childcare/house work. Not saying that there aren't women who don't choose to have that lifestyle, but I think there are a lot of women who end up that way when they would prefer a more equal distribution of labor with their spouse. For instance, this study surveys Harvard graduates over time about their career and life goals. Both men and women had similar goals - meaningful satisfying w…	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 06:30 PM
-1	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to I don't think the study you're citing is reflective of actual hiring practices in science let alone the entirety of our economy. Do you have a justification for that belief beyond the fact that it contradicts your assertions? The issue with this type of bias is that its implicit and based on how competent you perceive an individuals to be. A racist, for instance, is disinclined to hire black people (or any other race that they happen to have a prejudice against) because he/she thinks that the pe…	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 06:18 PM
-3	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to Because you think they're more valuable because you're biased? For instance, this study sent resumes to employes in scientific research labs, which were identical except the name (male vs female). People with female names (but the same resume) were seen as less hirable/qualified and offered a lower starting salary.	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 06:07 PM
-2	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to I think its fine that men/women in 'lower class jobs' have construction/manual labor vs nursing/social work/elementary education. I'm not really saying that's sexist. But what about data like this (let me know if that article isn't public access and I'll try to find another source) where women are seen as less hirable/competent and offered a lower starting salary? This study I'd say isolates those variables well - they sent out identical resumes to employers, the only difference being a male vs …	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 05:44 PM
-1	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to wage gap goes against basic economics What do you mean by that?	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 05:34 PM
-12	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to What's your source? I'm aware that the 77 statistic doesn't account for factors like hours worked, type of job, etc. but after accounting for those factors there is still a disparity between about 4.8 and 7% that cannot be accounted for. Although less shocking than the 23% statistic, its still meaningful and something that should be addressed. Furthermore, its at least a valid argument to point out that factors like hours worked or type of job reflects the way that our society discriminates agai…	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 05:14 PM
-25	So this is what the Feminists at my school are up to Do you guys understand that this is a a version of protesting/expression - more so than a bake sale? The point is that its unfair - its show how unfair and stupid the gender wage gap is.	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 04:56 PM
1	Prosecuting rape liars 'violates human rights,' and rape victims' advocates want it to stop I agree, protecting the innocent is overall better. I suppose I just think its important to distinguish between truly innocent and not guilty.	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 02:59 AM
1	Prosecuting rape liars 'violates human rights,' and rape victims' advocates want it to stop Well, innocent by law at least. Not saying that nobody gets falsely accused ever, but there's a notable distinction between being innocent in a justice system which favors the rights of the accused (not saying that's necessary bad) and being morally innocent.	/r/MensRights	04/12/14 01:17 AM
-6	Am I off base? While I agree "revenge porn" should probably be illegal, I can't help feeling like it's going to be yet another large weapon in the ammo box for false accusers. Even if it's not classified legally as sexual assault, I think it falls more under that category than just a civil offense/defamation. It's violating to publish pictures of somebody's naked body without their consent, and it has definite sexual connotations that make it more than just defamation. Considering how low the conviction rate is for sexual assaults in general, I'm quite skeptical that this will be really that dangerous. Would you at least support a law targeting the people who run thes…	/r/MensRights	03/12/14 04:49 PM
-28	Am I off base? While I agree "revenge porn" should probably be illegal, I can't help feeling like it's going to be yet another large weapon in the ammo box for false accusers. The way it affects people who have their pictures posted is unique - its a form of sexual assault. The people who have these pictures posted essentially have their lives ruined - they've lost their jobs, been humiliated in front of friends and family, etc in a way that is uniquely violating and vulnerable because its so private and personal. We shouldn't not have laws just because they're difficult to enforce. Proof is very difficult in these circumstances, so I don't think we have to worry abou…	/r/MensRights	03/12/14 04:28 PM
0	Prosecuting rape liars 'violates human rights,' and rape victims' advocates want it to stop Lots of people in this thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2o1kvm/prosecuting_rape_liars_violates_human_rights_and/cmj5e3u The punishment for making a false rape allegation should be exactly the same, if not more severe than the punishment for an actual rape. My reasoning is that a false allegation is still technically a rape. You see, the accuser is using sex as a means to pervert justice. A physical rape violates an individual and the state comes in and punishes the offender. …	/r/MensRights	03/12/14 05:21 AM
0	Prosecuting rape liars 'violates human rights,' and rape victims' advocates want it to stop Sure. I agree that although imperfect, the system is fine and perhaps as good as it can get - at least in principle. But how do you respond to the idea that if we punish them severely, people will be more inclined to stick to their lie (maybe neither side gets convicted of anything) which is still really harmful to the accused's reputation? Which do you actually care about - punishing people for the sake of itself, or actually helping the victims of these situations? In this case, I do believe t…	/r/MensRights	03/12/14 03:10 AM
-2	Prosecuting rape liars 'violates human rights,' and rape victims' advocates want it to stop In circumstances like rape where its very difficult to prove either side's story, I think that's a very idealistic view. That's like saying all rapists will be caught and thrown in jail.	/r/MensRights	03/12/14 02:54 AM
-6	Prosecuting rape liars 'violates human rights,' and rape victims' advocates want it to stop I think you guys are making a serious mistake in advocating for liars to be harshly punished. If you do that, people who make a false accusation in the heat if the moment (not rationally thinking about consequences like jail) will be more inclined to stubbornly stick to the story instead of coming clean in a way that would actually allow someone to have charges dropped.	/r/MensRights	03/12/14 01:56 AM
1	Fat chick on TwoX gets furious because her boyfriend doesn't want to marry her while she's obese. Its almost like they're a group of people with different perspectives and opinions.	/r/TheRedPill	25/11/14 04:31 AM
1	Dissecting the double-standard Would you, as a man, be okay with marrying a virgin who has already proposed to half your social circle? I think not. Because most normal people place a high value on commitment. Ok its not that much of a mental leap to isolate the variable. Lets stipulate that she was only willing to marry the people she proposed to, and have sex only if they married her. Large populations are made out of individuals, each of them who think they're immune to statistics . RP recognizes that there are exceptions,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/14 04:56 AM
5	How do you explain the fact that progressive countries have much more violence against women than conservative ones? You're only considering European counties, which are all relatively liberal when compared to many countries throughout the rest of the world. I would be willing to bet a survey that included all of the countries in the world would not be like this: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Marriage#Domestic_Violence 90% of Afghan women experience domestic violence, over half in Bangladesh, 66% in Iran, 73% in Iraq, etc., meanwhile the highest in this survey is about 55%. Furthermore, I think…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/14 12:37 AM
1	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? I think its kind of pushing it to say that we deny that they can be criminals/abusive first and consequently view them as passive/submissive. Frankly I support both approaches to fixing this problem (portraying them as rapists and other ways of representing them as strong that give more favorable impressions of a woman who isn't 'weak.') But, I just don't really buy your causality argument because society has viewed women as weak/submissive long before feminists started to campaign to end women'…	/r/MensRights	09/11/14 02:42 AM
1	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? I am surprised beyond all things to find how many men are favorable," Harriet Taylor Upton informed a friend while campaigning for suffrage in Ohio. I'm not really claiming that men actively or deliberately caused these oppressive social structures to exist, but rather acknowledging that they do and should be changed. "The women don't want the ballot...that is true here and no mistake." I did find this interesting and tried pretty hard but was not successful in finding the letter where Gordon al…	/r/MensRights	08/11/14 06:58 AM
1	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? The MRM doesn't claim to be the gender equality movement, or even a gender equality movement for all genders. Feminism has repeatedly claimed this. So the two are not equivalent. I'm inclined to agree that some feminists do this, and i also resent it. When I stated that some of the abuses that men encounter in society can be solved with feminism, I intended it more to be a case for MRA and feminism having common ground and not being at odds with each other, rather than saying that MRA isn't nece…	/r/MensRights	08/11/14 06:06 AM
1	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? Most people think women's rights activists as equivalent to feminists. Feminism is the historical and well established term to describe this movement towards equality, and striving towards accomplishing equality for women is how its defined pretty much everywhere. Under that definition, which I can't see a legitimate distinction between that and 'womens rights activists,' men's rights activism has to be regarded as sexist and exclusionary by your same logic because it focuses on the ways in whic…	/r/MensRights	08/11/14 05:51 AM
0	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? I suppose that depends on what type of evidence you bring up. If you honestly prove that women haven't been fairly oppressed in most societies for most of human history (neglecting the very very recent past 100 years), then I suppose I would have no choice but to determine that feminism is essentially a conspiracy. Maybe we're talking about different things, because the examples I'm using are generally well accepted... Women were not granted the right to vote in the United States until 1920 (whi…	/r/MensRights	08/11/14 05:35 AM
1	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? I put a good amount of time responding to that argument in this post, which I would encourage you to read and if you still disagree we can talk about it.	/r/MensRights	08/11/14 04:51 AM
1	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? Huh. So it sounds like you don't like it when a bunch of immature, sexist assholes characterize an entire culture or community? Its annoying, isn't it? I feel the same way about how this subreddit characterizes feminism when it focuses only on the extremists rather than what most actually think or believe. When you say things like this: But feminists are the ones that actively campaigned for mothers to get preference for exactly those reasons, and they still continue to vilify men and claim they…	/r/MensRights	08/11/14 04:37 AM
1	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? So you're saying that we shouldn't characterize all games based on the actions of a few immature teenagers? I'm inclined to agree if so, and in that way I think perhaps sometimes feminists over react to gaming. Still, I think when there's death threats to people who try to criticize aspects of the culture (regardless of whether you agree with them or not) I do think things have been taken a bit too far.	/r/MensRights	08/11/14 03:43 AM
2	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? ... my point was about the foundations of feminism, not the current situation with women's rights (except for my point about middle eastern countries still oppressing women in these ways). What did I say that is factually inaccurate?	/r/MensRights	08/11/14 02:47 AM
2	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? So, by your own reasoning then, since the men's rights movement is about male supremacy. As a supporter of both, I don't see it that way. Although I do wish there were a stronger movement supporting objective, genuine gender equality for both sides, I suppose there is value in focusing on the struggles related to a particular gender. I think it looks a bit more reasonable if you consider feminism from where it started - although men and women are much more equal than they were before, when it st…	/r/MensRights	08/11/14 12:32 AM
1	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? I'm open minded - what do you propose? I like feminism because the literal definition is to support equality of men and women. I'd rather recategorize the female supremacists who call themselves feminists as such. Although I admit to likely having biased perspective of feminist which has a positive slant, I would encourage you to find other sources of representations of feminism beyond subreddits like this one because I think its also easy to reinforce a negative bias on these subreddits (and re…	/r/MensRights	08/11/14 12:24 AM
0	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? ... at the very least in terms of literal definitions that isn't true. Feminism in its simplest definition is support for women's equality, which I think doesn't have to come at the expense of men's rights. You can make arguments about how some feminists aren't really feminists by supporting female supremacy, but the terms at least aren't analogous in their technical definitions.	/r/MensRights	07/11/14 11:59 PM
1	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? Haha coming from this community that actually means a lot. Thanks! Edit: Also, there's a lot of people out there like me! Many of them have dissociated from the term feminism because of the negative connotations it carries, but on the basic level of rationally supporting equality for women without being sexist, they're definitely feminists by my definition. Don't let the minority extremists define us, just like you (hopefully) wouldn't want to be defined chauvinistic pricks who want enforce fema…	/r/MensRights	07/11/14 11:54 PM
2	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? See my posts below about how feminism is a body of viewpoints, I resent feminists who portray women as being 'weak' and needing help and I think those individuals are actually detrimental to feminism, etc. In short, I don't think its fair to consider feminism analogous to misandry simply due to the misanthropic views expressed by a minority of feminists whom I don't consider to be real feminists.	/r/MensRights	07/11/14 11:52 PM
2	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? I think I've already responded to most of your arguments, see my replies to another post below. But, I am curious about what you mean by feminists gaming communities?? I certainly had a very different perspective on that issue, considering it at least seems like those communities have fostered a good amount of misogyny and hate... But, I'd be interested in hearing your side of it if you're wiling to share.	/r/MensRights	07/11/14 11:49 PM
2	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? I agree. All I'm saying is that there is some overlap between those goals, and that they definitely don't have to be against each other. I definitely don't think that MRA shouldn't exist because 'everything can be solved by feminism,' and apologize if my post came across that way.	/r/MensRights	07/11/14 03:57 PM
5	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? Firstly I'd like to note that I'm actually here as a woman (and feminist) supporting MRA, for what its worth. I'm not a huge fan of using these labels to try to gain some sort of legitimacy (or illegitimacy, perhaps, as it feels like on this sub sometimes) but I do hope it will influence the way that you view feminists (hopefully in a positive way haha). Also I fully expected the downvotes (and possibly more now) so its not really a big deal. I think its valuable for the purposes of this discuss…	/r/MensRights	07/11/14 01:30 PM
15	Are we focusing too much on anti-feminism and too little on actual men's issues? I'd like to point out that a lot of feminists think that a lot of issues surrounding men's rights could be solved with feminism. If women weren't stereotyped as weak, passive, submissive, etc. then we would probably be more capable of seeing them as abusers and criminals. If we didn't assume that all women are supposed to be nurturing, then perhaps child custody cases would be handled differently. I'm not really saying feminism is the solution to all problems and that we shouldn't also have a sp…	/r/MensRights	07/11/14 07:57 AM