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Apparently the people on AITA think it's ok to force the burden of parenthood on someone. If that someone is a man that is.
/r/MensRights24/02/20 03:14 PM
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Maybe, maybe not. But any data available (from OLD) suggest it's the women who have the high expectations, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 10:47 PM
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Sure, guys might be slightly less interested in a relationship. But in my experience and among my friends most either are in one or would want one, they just can't even get a first date or the women interested are clearly reaching a level too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 10:40 PM
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Well I would call it a generalized overview of what average looks like, because you can't really go into more detail. To guys can be average and look completely different. Are these average guys they are going for considered average but still get attention and opportunities with women on a regular basis? Because in that case they aren't actually average, they're in the top 20% but the women who are interested think that's the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 10:15 PM
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They look.... average. Nothing spectacular that would make them stand out, but might be considered pretty/handsome for someone on the same level.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 10:03 PM
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At that age looks play a huge role. I mean it kinda always does but even more so for younger people. So, are they going for the handsome guy they think is average because he's a student/doesn't have a spectacular job?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 09:45 PM
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Key work is perceived average, not actual average. When they think they're going for a "average" guy he's still a top 20% and they keep getting fuckzoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 09:29 PM
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And the reason for why they can't find a guy who wants a relationship is because they are going for guys out of their league, and get fuckzoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 09:03 PM
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Women are desperate for relationships with men they can't get. That's why they keep complaining about where the good men went.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 08:26 PM
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Well if the women aren't high value themselves it's not skewed against them, because they are reaching above what they should expect to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 08:23 PM
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It does, but all feminists I have talked to keep screaming about "it's what's the best for the baby" when bringing up that men have absolutely no say in the matter after conception.
/r/MensRights16/02/20 06:45 PM
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Some do. But I don't think banning abortion would be a good idea. Just wish there was some equality in the whole thing. Either you have to accept that sex can lead to pregnancy and that you have to take responsibility of that or you don't. But it should be the same for both men and women. Right now men consent to the responsibilities of a parent by having sex but women don't.
/r/MensRights16/02/20 06:42 PM
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I haven't seen that. Where I live especially in the younger generations women are ahead in pretty much every category, but the feminists here still keep focusing on female issues. But hey keep repeating that and maybe it will become the truth.
/r/MensRights16/02/20 06:38 PM
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They can use condoms That's like saying ban abortion, birth control is available.
/r/MensRights16/02/20 05:29 PM
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Feminism is the belief that men and women are equal, and both deserve rights. It was in the beginning. And is still maybe in theory, and in the views some feminists hold. But mostly Feminists today either ignore the issues that are predominantly male or work against them.
/r/MensRights16/02/20 04:57 PM
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Women have been replacing relationships with sextoys and pets for years. But somehow this is bad.
/r/MensRights15/02/20 03:04 PM
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Feminism opposes male only spaces because women (and nontoxic or effeminate men!) have been excluded from them historically, A space limited to a certain group naturally means others are excluded. That's how it works idiot.
/r/MensRights15/02/20 11:58 AM
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If it's true we are going to have an ever-expanding social state taking money from lonely men and giving it to single mothers raising chads bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 08:28 PM
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If you do the first part of the advice you're less likely to find the guy you want for the second. But that's up to you, enjoy single motherhood or your cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 07:59 PM
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Because women aren't going to fall for it. It's a cultural standard that men spend money on gifts for their wives/gfs, and in most couples men out-earn their partner or they have similar income, rarely the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 12:38 PM
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Yes. Unless I really trust you, that we're exclusive and that you are responsible with whatever choice of birth control used I'm gonna wrap it. Don't want babies (unless they are planned) and don't want STDs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/20 08:38 PM
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No-one is obligated to give anyone a second chance, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 05:38 PM
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They don't usually need to approach, because men do it. So in situations that they do approach they are already invested in the guy emotionally, that's why they break character, and end up getting more hurt in the event of rejection. (They are also used to being the rejector, not the rejected, so they haven't learned to deal with it). Men approach more frequently and learn to not expect anything, women approach only when they are already interested and the guy isn't taking initiative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:35 PM
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14 and 21 still seem like a very big gap. But I do think "hard limits" are idiotic, teens (idk, 14-15 and over?) Should be able to consent to sex with someone close to their maturity level. But as far as I know this is in practice already the case (not always, but usually), in situations where criminal charges happen there's a big age difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 12:59 PM
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Lets start of with stating that BMI is a poor measurement. It's more about body type than just weight and fat%. Two women with the same height, weight and fat% can look very different. I don't care about a few extra pounds, as long as the shape is still feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 09:31 AM
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Isn't it possible that that more attractive man and some casual sex is simply what they want? Fewer and fewer women need to depend on a man to provide for them. It is, for now. But most people eventually want a relationship, and by that time they will have a skewed view of what is available.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 02:05 PM
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Women have so high standards because if the sexdrive of men. They get attention from men who want an easy fuck and think that they could get the same level of guy to commit to them. Women need to learn the difference between genuine interest and someone just wanting to get their dick wet. That's your relationship-value. If your "standards" are higher than that you are more likely to stay single/be pumped and dumped. Now, no-one can force you to drop those standards, but in that situation you bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 12:29 PM
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No, they are sour because of the aftermath. -get used to fucking Chad, but can't get Chad to commit> stay single and complain that "normal" men don't do it for you anymore -get accidentally pregnant from fucking Chad> single mothers on welfare saying other men need to "man up" and help her pay the bills and raise her bastards -dating apps skewing the sense of value these women have. Just because Chad wants to fuck you doesn't men there's a lot of men looking to marry you later when you want it, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 10:18 AM
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Well of course he's not going to be a good match if he doesn't accept her past. Thanks captain obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 08:29 AM
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I do agree that is hypocritical for a guy to be concerned about a woman "bodycount" if he himself runs around town trying to fuck anything that moves. But there's nothing wrong with holding a potential partner to the same standard that you hold yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 11:29 PM
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So no matter what your history is, if he is repulsed by it he's a immature loser?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 10:51 PM
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Doesn't really help. At least where I live we do have compulsory military service, but a lot of men are already bitter and frustrated at that age, and the most unfit guys are not even required to serve, because they aren't really useful to the army. There's also plenty of guys who suffer from the service, mental health problems break out, too much pressure and not enough sleep, authority issues etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:18 PM
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No-one is forcing you to care. But do you care about other things that negatively affect the quality of life of the people in your society? Are you only excluding men who have trouble finding relationships from that? I'm not saying anyone owes anyone else a date/relationship/sex, but if you ignore the problems of a certain group you can't really expect them to care about anyone elses issues either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:16 PM
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Well in a way. But I don't think they care whether men are satisfied or not for the sake of men, but for the sake of themselves. A satisfied man isn't going to chase, court and take a woman out on expensive dates, buy gifts etc. If you can easily get laid/ a relationship with a decent woman you're not going to put in the extra effort women want you to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 08:56 PM
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It is to keep the value of sex high so that men keep committing and spending money on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 08:50 PM
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An increased supply with the demand remaining the same will lower the price. Too many women being easy> men decrease the investment they are willing to make because they can get it "cheaper" elsewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 08:25 PM
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Might be, but it's still a way to increase your value. Not the ideal one, but for some men the most realistic way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:52 PM
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Men don't have a cliff to fall from. Young women have a much higher smv so the downfall is going to be sharper and more noticeable. Doesn't mean men don't decline, but it's not as noticeable. Women also care more for status and financial stability than men, and that usually compensates for the declining looks and increases with age, working in n reverse. (For those men who achieve it)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:46 PM
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I don't really care unless it's either end of the extreme. More worried about my own height being a problem (5'6) but if she doesn't care then neither do I.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:26 AM
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Then what the fuck are you doing here. Go to the gym and let people went. Some might actually make some realisations about their situation, and even just venting can be helpful at times as long as it doesn't spiral into a pity party.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:31 PM
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Most people do have disadvantages. Doesn't mean you can't talk about them or acknowledge them. Realising what your weaknesses are and how severe they are helps you determine what to do about them and makes you think about how to "compensate" for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:02 PM
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And it sounds like you're whining about whining. If the subject doesn't interest you then skip the thread, no-one is forcing you to participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:55 PM
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Well, online you can complain about stuff you wouldn't bitch about irl, so it does become a little victim-heavy no matter what you talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:36 PM
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But acknowledging your "weaknesses" (less desirable traits) and realising that at least with some women you have to compensate for them makes sense right? I'm not saying play victim and whine, I'm saying play to your strengths and realise that no matter what you do there's always going to be someone who is not attracted to you based on something you can't change. Concentrate on those you can attract and on what you can improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:24 PM
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It's at least an interesting thought experiment. You know, if I was 6 inches taller how big of an effect would it have on my life. And the whole thread is about height and about at what point does it become a disadvantage. So, pointing out that a guy otherwise identical but taller would have it easier is just that, speculating about what effect height has. If you don't want to participate you can leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:28 PM
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And how does that contradict what I said? Being short is a disadvantage, being ugly us a disadvantage, and so are a lot of other things. Doesn't mean you can't make up for them, but all things equal a taller/more handsome guy will fare better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:17 PM
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No, not everyone. Just pointing out that being short as a guy is a disadvantage. Doesn't mean you can't have success, but you have to work harder to make up for you shortcomings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:14 PM
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So he makes up for it. But most guys aren't that and couldn't be even if they tried. He would still be significantly more successful with women if he was all that and 6'2.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:09 PM
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Anything under 6 feet is going to gradually reduce the number of women interested, but there will still be those who don't care that much. And it depends on the platform, irl maybe less but if you put your height in you bio online and it's <5'10 ISH it's going to reduce your chances significantly. I'm 5'6 and while no-one has outright said that's the issue I can see a drastic difference in the results online when I for sciences sake put it out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:04 PM
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Well even though I'm quite libertarian at heart I wouldn't really mind the spending that much if it just were more equal and men would get the same safety net.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:05 AM
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And that is exactly what is happening. Boys are falling behind in school, not attending (free) higher education, but all that everyone is talking about is not enough women in hard sciences and glass ceilings. Complaining about toxic masculinity and well pretty much anything men do that don't benefit others while at the same time saying everyone should have the right to live the way they want and express themselves. So in essence, men have the same responsibilities they always had and if you fail…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:01 AM
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I have an issue with social spending, but it's not going to decrease in a country like Finland, it's quite left-leaning as a whole. So I just hope more of it would go towards helping troubled men when everyone else is already getting theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:21 AM
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As far as I know Finland does a better job then most when it comes to homelessness, but the point is that men slip through the cracks of the safetynets a lot easier then women, because an inherent bias about men having to fend for themselves. So of those that are homeless, even if the total number is lower then elsewhere, the majority is still men. Oh and we have pretty high suicide rates as well, again, mostly men. But most of the mental health talk is about how tough it is to be a woman and ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:17 AM
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To some extent, but social spending is still heavily geared towards women. 3/4 of healthcare spending goes to women, longer life expectancy means they get more retirement, we still have an army based on conscription so every healthy man has to serve 6-12 months, all of the campaigns towards violence (especially domestic) is focused on women as victims and men as wrong-doers, majority of homeless or socially excluded people are men, women are the majority in our (free) higher education because ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:00 AM
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Nobody owes me shit, but I shouldn't owe anyone anything either. What bothers me is women forcing men to provide without giving anything in return, usually voting for expanded welfare and shit. (I live in Finland, very high taxes) So I have to pay high taxes to fund the life of some deluded single mother and her bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:51 AM
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Probably the men they used to date (attractiveness wise) but also with economic stability, not to much baggage and willing to tolerate their bullshit. They don't seem to understand that their "value" has dropped and that not nearly the same amount of men are chasing them anymore, and that their demands are ridiculous. If you are 30 and still single, maybe with a kid, you're not a fucking prize. Get on your level.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 08:13 PM
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All people age. It's just that ageing affects women more than men when it comes to smv. A lot of men have at least a slight preference for younger women, so women get used to being in demand in their twenties, and when they age it's goes down. The problem is that they might not realize or accept it when it's happening. That's what the wall is in my opinion, women who refuse to re-evaluate their options when their "value" goes down, and instead scream where are all the good men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 12:42 PM
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But if you got pumped and dumped or just willingly engaged in casual sex for years it's on you. I'm not paying for your past mistakes or the behaviour of other men. That doesn't mean I don't respect someones wishes about waiting and try to pressure them, I just call it quits.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 10:09 AM
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I'm not talking about one mistake. You are allowed to learn and change. I'm talking about those for whom casual sex wasn't a problem earlier and sex was max 3 dates in for years, but then suddenly a guy is supposed wait 3 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 10:03 AM
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Well if he ate for free I'm not picking up his tab. He was your mistake, not mine. Don't punish me for your poor judgement. He is a real party if he is the reason you are going to make me wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 01:15 AM
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And I'm not asking women to shoot themselves in the leg, I'm just saying men aren't going to do so either. Withholding sex might work in some cases and is dependent on the guy you are dating and many other variables, but wont work with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:50 PM
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You are allowed to learn, I'm talking about situations were it took you 10+ mistakes to learn one lesson. You're right, it is subjective and it doesn't raise the value in my eyes. Maybe it does for others. Other men might be willing to "pay the price" or you could be able to fool some guy about your past. But I'm not willingly paying and if I catch you playing I'm done, no matter how long we've been together. I'm not saying you should work against your own interests, I'm saying men have the righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:37 PM
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If you fended of all the pump and dumpers that's good. If you make me pay for the way someone else played you can keep looking. Withholding your pussy doesn't increase it's value unless you withheld it from everyone. If I'm the only one you are withholding it from because you got pumped and dumped before I'm out. I don't pay for your mistakes or the behaviour of other men. No you don't, if you're on the younger side and pretty. There's about 50/50 men and women, so the options aren't endless unl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:17 PM
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It seems it did work for you, but you can't for certain know what would had happend if you had slept with him sooner. Maybe you would still have ended up in a relationship. Just because the time you tried it ended up in a relationship doesn't prove it works, there's too many variables. Sex is a key part of a relationship. I want a companion who in my eyes is special, and that isn't someone who uses sex as a weapon. If you've "been around" before but make me wait it is to me a test. "How much doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:09 PM
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And that's your view of it. To me it says "I have (had) poor judgement skills and got taken for a spin by some exciting fuckboy, so now you have to make up for it by "earning the right to my body", and I will use the same tactics later on in the relationship to correct your behaviour"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:27 PM
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No, the men make the rules about what they do with their own bodies. Not sticking around when a woman uses sex as a weapon and makes the guy "earn it" when previous guys didn't isn't about controlling you, it's about self-determination of the man. Maybe it does work in some situations, and you can do as you please. Personally I would be out the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:09 PM
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Yes, it would be tacky. But one can make a guess based on your personality and other things, or maybe you have friends in common. It also depends on how you frame it, "I've been hurt before so we should wait" is quite clear that you got played by some fuckboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:26 PM
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If it was one time of trying I don't see any problem. I'm talking about situations were the chick did it several times without even wanting commitment. Yes, any can could wait, it's not like we would die. And all guys should respect they the girl wants to wait. You can still respect that wish and say it's not for me. It's about the messege you send by asking the new guy to wait when you didn't do it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:21 PM
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You were clearly comfortable "giving it away" quite quickly earlier, it's not ridiculous that a guy would be weary of not getting the same treatment. I'm not saying you don't have the right to ask for him to wait, I'm saying the guy has the right to not want to wait and instead find someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:01 PM
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And I'm saying it doesn't work. Any guy with self-esteem would walk out the door. Only ones ok with waiting are the ones who can't get any from other women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:58 PM
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You have the full right to change and ask the guy to wait. And the guy has a full right to say that something guy gave away easily to other guys must not be valuable enough to wait 3 fucking months for. I can't walk in your shoes and completely understand your situation, but neither can you fully understand why a guy would be hesitant about waiting for something no other guy had to wait for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:56 PM
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Primarily the expectation about sex. If you had sex before, especially casual sex, it's ridiculous to make a guy wait. If you're a virgin or only had sex previously in a long-term relationship after waiting to get to know the guy it's fine to ask the same of the next guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:52 PM
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Nono, just opening the door is enough. I'm not talking about one mistake, I'm talking about the guy having to wait being the exception to all the others before. If you had 15 guys before and none of them had to wait it's ridiculous to expect me to be okay with waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:25 PM
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Well of course it's black and white if you ignore the second paragraph. What I mean is that few men are willing to be the exception that has to wait, either you're way better then what he could otherwise get or he thinks everyone else had to wait as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:25 PM
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Yes, but it's getting less common. Most women who are dating aren't virgins, so don't expect men to treat you like one. If you have enjoy the freedom of sexual liberty you can't put that cat back in the bag. If no-one else had to "pay" by waiting what does it tell you about a guy that is willing to pay? That he is dumb enough to think you're special and worth waiting for, or that he doesn't really have other options?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:11 PM
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They tell themselves it's not a lie because it's easier. They see the past as irrelevant because if it was relevant it would paint a bad picture and hurt their chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:01 PM
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They might not want them. Anymore. But if you make a guy wait 3 months it's probably because you didn't make others wait and once they got their dick wet they ghosted. If she did it's slightly different, because you're not the sucker of an exception that has to wait. But anyone with a brain would be sceptical and at least consider that she might be lying about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:51 PM
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I just said IF he finds out, nothing about how likely it is. That depends on your history, reliability of your friends and family, number of exes and how likely it is that he will run in to one etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:36 PM
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Of course. If you think he'll never find out. If he does it's going to be even worse because not only is he the exception who had to wait, you also lied about it to manipulate him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:25 PM
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Because they grew tired of being pumped and dumped. If you didn't make the other guys wait any guy will be pissed if he is the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:20 PM
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Yes. Why would a quality guy who's in demand be with you if you use sex as a weapon and make him wait? He can just find someone just as good as you but who doesn't make him wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:12 PM
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