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whyvswhynot12089/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:46 PM
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I've never heard a girl specifically mock a guy for being short. I've heard girls mocking the angry, short guy stereotype (short guys who are insecure about their height and/or other things and act like a jealous, controlling dick because of it.) Or guys who are really short and feel emasculated by taller women, but still have the gall to lie about their height on online dating. The most extreme version of that I ever came across was a guy who was literally 5 ft tall and said he was 6'0 on his p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 05:08 PM
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Okay, (1.) Did she show him her ID or just give him a name that sounded less obviously stripperish? (2.) Didn't the fact she never gave him her phone# after all the times he was there give him any sort of hint? I just don't understand how he could be confused in that situation. I hope you as his friend tried to knock some sense in to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 09:21 PM
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But where's the scam in that? Cam girls ask for gifts, the same way strippers ask for money. It's typically to do X, Y, Z, sexual thing in X, Y, Z, sexual setting but they're not typically promising individual guys sex or love in exchange for gifts. There's no cat fishing involved. And don't Cam girls have a gift list that anyone can buy from or look at online? From what I hear certain guys will buy certain items to attract a girl's attention, in the same way certain guys think they can buy girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 09:12 PM
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Most guys not "seeming like the type" really doesn't mean much...particularly coming from a guy. (1.) Most shitty people know how to hide their shittiness. (2.) There is no, "one type" of rapist or sexual predator. They come in all shapes, sizes, and levels, with a variety of personality types. (3.) How any given man treats other men and how he treats women when no one else is looking, is not the same thing. (4.) How a man treats or perceives some women, may not be how he treats or perceives oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:41 PM
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I think there are assholes of either gender, but in my experience a lot of women highlight non-interest because a lot of men don't take no for an answer and they're sick of it. If you're saying crap like, Helloooooooooooooo!...That points to a situation where the girl likely isn't interested or doesn't want to talk to this person and he's trying to force it. And Helloooooooo! often escalates into, "Fuck you bitch", so the incentive is to ignore and try to laugh about it because it makes the bull…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 02:18 PM
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No guy with low testosterone is some, "low-T bitch ass" lol...That's pretty messed up. I wouldn't say people are just throwing their hands up in the air. The fact of the matter is that scientists just haven't been able to tie it to one conclusive cause. Nicotine is an aromatase inhibitor and less men smoke now. Obesity is twice as bad as it used to be and that has a huge impact on the endocrine system. (Which is why womens' testosterone levels have also gotten lower.) Estrogen loves to store its…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 08:07 PM
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Correlation does not suggest cause most of the time because most of the time there's a large variety of things that correlate with any given phenomena. Just looking at one of those things and saying, "This is it" is like pulling a name out of a very large hat. If you're going to ignore everything else in that hat, you better have some unimpeachable evidence that what you picked is not only a cause, but the cause. Otherwise it's kind of like getting a stomach ache every Monday and saying that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 06:22 PM
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I know right? I mean forget about the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression. It was those damn women! And their mean vaginas!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 02:17 AM
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Lmao. Seriously. I'm wondering if this person is just really young or has a short memory. I mean even if you weren't around during that time, there were films about it. Big Short came out in 2015.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 02:11 AM
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Do you not remember everything that happened in 2008-2009? Lol Third Wave Feminism has been around since the 90's. Fourth wave Feminism didn't come around until 2012. And the fact that you just jump from male suicide rates to "women are causing these suicide rates" given no other information than a year...That's some real mental gymnastics, like Olympic level. Usually when I see bad arguments it has do with people doing the whole, "correlation= causation" mistake. But you don't even have correla…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 02:02 AM
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You didn't understand my original main points. You didn't get the farmer metaphor. You specifically asked about it, so I broke it down for you. I put fluff in because whenever you would argue with me you argued against points I never made. I thought if I illustrated my points with more detail or examples, you'd get it. I was obviously wrong. And if all my posts were equally long, it really doesn't make sense that you wouldn't answer the arguments of the last post due to length. It sounds like yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 03:02 PM
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I wasn't trying to recover anything. I'm not one of those people that needs to be right. If I was looking at the same study as you, I would readily admit to it. The United Kingdom was 7.0 last time I checked. It still is as far as I know. When I said 7.7 I was responding to someone else's comment who quoted that figure but that's not any of the numbers I had. (I think the closest figure I had to that was 7.6 and that was based on what the average person thought an ideal partners number would be)…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 03:51 AM
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I started with something fairly concise. The only reason I expanded was because you made it clear you didn't understand any of the arguments I was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 02:35 AM
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The very sentence you quoted has the words, "your actions" in it. I wasn't talking about the women. You're the one that believes casual sex is damaging to women. The women you're sleeping with do not believe either that casual sex is harmful to women or that withholding sex from men is damaging. So in either case, you're the one whose doing something you believe to be wrong. Not them. The buyer isn't responsible. An individual buyer does not control what they are not selling. If you were selling…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 09:09 PM
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You just completely ignored every single one of my arguments. I don't even know how it's possible that this whole thing just flew over your head. I never said you said casual sex was essential. I said that would be the only context in which your actions would be justified because you are the one that believes that casual sex is damaging to women. The women you're sleeping with do not have that belief so they are not the ones acting against their conscience. I never said you said sex was as essen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 07:22 PM
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I just don't see how that's a valuable comparison. What you're talking about would be more equal to the example of a farmer that doesn't give their vegetables and fruits out for free to impoverished Americans that can't afford to eat healthy. And that's if we're assuming that what you're saying is actually true and applies more to men than women. (Which I honestly don't think it does). Sex entails the possibility of enriching your life, not the guarantee. What a lot of Incel types are looking fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 04:23 PM
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Nobody is making the claim that promiscuous men are immoral in general. What we're arguing about is particular men who believe casual sex is innately damaging to women but participate in it anyway...This is what makes them hypocrites and douche bags, because they are repeatedly doing something they believe is destructive to other people for the sake of short term pleasure. And a lot of these guys are further rationalizing acting against their conscience by saying that it's okay because women wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 02:52 AM
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Put another way, when has there been a time in history when we didn't have rapists and murderers? If you're going to equate morality with social acceptance, there's a hell of a lot less murder or rape than there used to be. Judging yourself as morally okay based on the metric of murder and rape would have been bad enough in Ancient Greece. It really doesn't hold weight in 2019.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 11:09 PM
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"I don't do it for you man". ...That's the exact opposite of the point I've been making. I've been saying that if you think something is wrong or harmful it shouldn't matter what other people do or think. At the end of the day, it's between you and your conscience. I would sincerely hope that you have some kind of individual based morality and not simply a social one like you are repeatedly implying. I fail to see how that story should have that sort of impression on you. If someone is shit face…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:24 PM
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How old was I when the abuse started? I mean it went back as far as I could remember. I don't remember my experiences as an infant, but I do remember being as young as 4 and my Mom would have these violent fits. She was constantly losing track of where she put things like her car keys or her purse and every time she couldn't find something she assumed I or my fraternal twin brother had hid them or thrown them away. I remember her opening the kitchen drawers and throwing random utensils at us whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 08:49 PM
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That seems like a really bullshit moral argument. If you truly believe that something is damaging and you participate in it anyway with the rationalization of, "It's okay because I do this damaging thing in a nicer way than this hypothetical other person"...That's kind of like the thief that says, "well this person was walking alone. They would have been mugged by someone anyway. It's better that they got mugged by me because I said please first." ...I mean you can apply that rationalization to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:15 PM
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The data I was giving was not based on the UK. They just have around the same number (give or take .2). There was a survey done recently of the United States, The UK and other parts of Europe but the results were separated, not mixed together...which is how they were able to break down the United States by state and by gender. (Somewhere like Utah having an average of 2 partners, somewhere like Louisiana having 15. There was a huge disparity between states.). The over all average for lifetime pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:01 PM
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7.7 isn't that low when you consider the large discrepancy between various states. Somewhere like Utah the average is 2 partners. Somewhere like Louisiana (the most promiscuous state), the average is 15. But even 15 is a far cry from from the hundreds of sexual partners idea OP has going.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 09:08 PM
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Okay, this is a load of bull. The average woman is not going out there and "sowing oats" so to speak. A lot of women are not interested in casual sex, and even for those that are...That's typically not starting in High School. The average woman loses her virginity at 17. Women aren't going to consider you a "loser" based on the amount of women you sleep with and the amount of people you sleep with or years you've had sex, does not equate to sexual ability. There are guys that have slept with ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 08:59 PM
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" They fuck you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had And add some extra, just for you. But they were fucked up in their turn By fools in old-style hats and coats, Who half the time were soppy-stern And half at one another’s throats. Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself." ​ -Phillip Larkin, This Be The Verse
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 05:48 PM
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O okay. I'm sorry. I assumed the link was just related to the tenants of the sub, which I did a separate search for when I was on my phone. I shouldn't have made that assumption. That being said, a lot of the suggestions I made weren't just things that were helpful to me. There are hundreds of scientific studies on the power of exercise for people with depression or anxiety, even in severe cases. And suicidal depression does tend to break down into stories we tell ourselves about ourselves...whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 12:17 AM
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I didn't mean to offend you. I was actually trying to be encouraging. I'm glad to know there are Incels without hate but you have to know there are a ton of Incel types that think in exactly the way I described. I mean the whole internet is littered with this type of winners vs. losers, women as trophies rhetoric. It does sound like your biggest issue is confidence though. It sounds like you're putting too much emphasis on a partner creating self worth. The psychological side of attraction (I.E.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 09:46 PM
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Of course I don't think that. If you read all my responses on here you'd realize I've been making the same exact point you just made, repeatedly. But what I think or what most people think and what certain douchey guys with a high school locker room mentality think...is not the same thing. There are really good looking guys who are douchebags and think because they look like Greek Gods, they don't have to be decent people (or in this case I guess pretend to be). I'm sure you've come across a few…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 07:11 PM
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17 is actually pretty average as far as starting to date. 16 is the most common. Most adolescent males in the United States lose their virginity at 18. Even if that weren't the case, chances are you're not going to find the love of your life at 13, so you're not really missing out on much. And how good a lover you'll be has little to do with how many years you've been at it or how many sexual partners you've had. It has to do with taking notes and doing your research. One of the best ex-lovers I…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 10:47 PM
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. In my head all the main film genres are fruit. If porn is the apple in this scenario, Granny Smith and Golden Delicious would be different porn categories. As far as a real life Mexican standoff situation though, that might be true of a one on one situation where one person has a shot at drawing quicker in the first place...But the more people you add or the smaller the quarters, the more standoffy a Mexican standoff becomes. You might be able to watch o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 08:39 PM
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Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 07:45 PM
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Yeah, you've got a point about run of the mill paycheck jobs vs. salary (the later as you pointed out, work doesn't necessarily end when you get home). When I was doing 16 hour days I had one job at a hotel and the other I was a server at a restaurant. Still, I wasn't missing work or asking other people to cover for me just so I could go to the gym. That's not sustainable. While my absence wouldn't have had such a ripple effect on other people....In my experience it's a lot easier to get fired f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 07:30 PM
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What does porn have to do with mainstream movies? We're talking about sex, not CGI and stunt doubles. They're apples and oranges. There are a whole range of film types with different levels of realism from documentaries to animation. And you could argue something like uncensored Hentai porn is a more accurate depiction of sex than an R rated movie because at least it's showing penetration...but we're not trying to set the lowest bar here. Also, there aren't large amounts of people watching somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 04:00 AM
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Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is a pyramid that goes from bottom to top...Not a square. There's a long list of physiological needs and safety needs that come before social belonging. And nobody NEEDS sex. You will not die from not having it and even the urge itself can be self-satisfied. You cannot jerk off and produce food, water or shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 07:07 PM
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You're right. "Nice" is definitely a broad word...I guess I just innately see it as less sincere because it is used in such broad way. I mean you can say, "That shirt is nice," but you can't say, "That shirt is kind." OR "Wow. My coffee mug is so compassionate. That 24 ounce depth makes it such a giver." I suppose that's a bit hypocritical of me though, because you could say something similar about the word love. I also think of really sleazy "bros" who use that word a lot too though. (I.E. "Did…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 11:33 PM
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Why would I need more than an anecdote to help define the kind of guy I'm talking about? I'm not making a claim that most or even a considerable portion of guys act like that. I'm simply defining a type. But while we're here, it's not like people bring up case studies when discussing their own dating experience. Anything you or I might have to say about our experiences is going to be just that...anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 07:57 PM
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"Women are just straight up pussies... have never faced hardship, danger, and potential social shaming like men have"...Lol are you for real? Aside from the nose dive departure from reality, I find that statement so ironic given that guys like you have trouble with women for the very reason you're insincere in person and have no guts. I've been standing up to other people's bullies since I was 8 years old. I had a gun pointed at my head when I was 12 and my parents' car got jacked and told the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 07:44 PM
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Men aren't sexually attracted to niceness. Niceness can be a bonus in women they're already attracted to, but that's it. You talk about feminism and leveling the playing field being a shit show, but all the problems you mentioned are because of gender roles. No feminist has ever said that men just need to show up and be nice to attract women. Feminists say that women have libidos in the same way that men do...So how do you conclude that this internalized message you have is feminist? It's the ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 06:46 PM
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See I've always considered gym bros to be overt douchebags. They're attractive and assertive, so a lot of them don't feel the need to pretend to be nice to get girls. I wasn't just referring to a pedestal though. I was referring to black and white thinking. I've seen a ridiculous amount of covert douchebags hate women by and large, but then get a serious crush and just sort of vomit all their ideal traits onto this person they're interested in, whether they have them or not. (Project all their w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 06:15 PM
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"Someone who treats her right is what every girl says she wants"...I mean that's not wrong. It's just not an either or concept. Kind acts aren't a libido starter on their own but if they're genuine/an extension of strong convictions you have about yourself and the world around you..They're only going to help you. You just shouldn't be directing all your kind energy toward women you don't know very well/going overboard...because it'll send a very strong message of, "What does this guy want from m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 05:58 PM
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I whole heartedly concur. The lack of privacy, the pomp and circumstance, the constant suffocating pressure to keep up appearances every waking minute of life...I'd consider that a special kind of hell. Probably give myself a week before I turned the royal wave into a bird flipping moment and sailed off to a deserted Island. And screw status and notoriety. Not everyone wants a loud life, whatever their equipment happens to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 07:26 AM
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I would say niceness does improve your chances...but only IF other qualifiers are present. (1.) It's got to be sincere. Are your nice actions simply an extension of strong beliefs/convictions about yourself and the world around you...Or are you only directing kind gestures towards girls you're interested in? Do you generally find yourself doing nice things because you're acting on your conscience or are you coming from a place of insecurity and a need for validation? Genuine kindness points to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 06:48 AM
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Men don't seek women out to date because they're nice. They seek them out because they're physically attracted to them. Being nice might be a bonus, but it's not the libido starter. If men were truly projecting their wants, needs and experiences...They would understand Susie would have to find them physically attractive to begin with, for the chips to fall positively in their favor. Most people want a nice guy or girl they're attracted to...otherwise it's just friendship. You'll also notice that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 05:23 AM
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"It's easy to blame someone else"....Well, that's exactly what you're doing. Blaming someone else. You say there's something wrong with the modern sexual marketplace, but you're equating men and women's value to each other based on nothing but sexual economics. And this isn't the 1960s anymore. More women then ever have promising careers and high incomes. More and more women are going into STEM fields. Less and less young people are going through the formality of marriage. Prenups are becoming c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 04:51 AM
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The argument I've been making is that nice behavior on it's own is not a libido starter. I said it CAN be when it's combined with other things and an over all package...(I.E. Someone who does nice things because they're acting on their convictions, has a strong sense of self and their place in the world. THIS ties in with confidence and bravery and the power of being in control of one's own life...All of these qualities put together are really sexually attractive. It doesn't hurt to go to the gy…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:35 AM
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You seriously think women have to read minds to tell the difference? If you are in any remote physical proximity to someone on a regular basis, it's really not hard to observe what is motivating their behavior. If you can't, I'm really not surprised you're having trouble. Either that or you're willfully ignoring what's right in front of you. In this particular example you use you say that this girl you were interested in was convinced she was dating a decent guy and then visibly reacted when she…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:06 AM
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Yeah I see what you mean BirdManBrrrr. Unfortunately I think that has a lot to do with puritanical ideas about sex and how society thinks women are supposed think or act in that context. I'm sure a lot of single Moms and aunts, etc, don't think they're being insincere when they give you that type of advice...but I imagine the good intentions are clouded by a lot of sexual repression. Regardless of the actual reality, women have been shamed and called slutty/unwomanly for admitting they experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 01:52 AM
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THIS. Women are attracted to nice guys when their niceness is an extension of their beliefs/comes from a strong sense of self. Your niceness is neither genuine nor self-affirming if it comes from a place of insecurity and an urge for social acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 12:59 AM
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I agree with what Elliot Hulse was getting at. It's the difference between kindness based on an extension of one's beliefs/ strong sense of self vs. "niceness" in which doing nice things stems only from insecurity and a desire for social acceptance. One is self-affirming. The other is self erasing. In my experience it's not that hard to tell which one applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 12:49 AM
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But that's not a men vs. women thing. The whole, "They've done x,y, z to other people but I don't think they'll do it to me because (fill in the blank) logic. I've seen men and women apply that bullshit rationalization to both friends and significant others. And I don't know what women you've talked to, but even the most maladjusted women I've ever met (and I've known a lot) don't think violence is sexy. Strength, muscles, deep voice, some dominating role play in the bed room...sure. But having …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 12:17 AM
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I agree with you (for the most part. I mean Mr. Rogers wasn't hideous lol), but then I think this is where sincerity comes in. Sincere generosity is an extension of your whole system of beliefs, what you value, how you exercise your conscience, how you see other people, etc...It's a mark of being comfortable with yourself and knowing what you want from life (at least more than most). Insincere generosity is contingent on insecurity instead of actual beliefs. It's essentially erasing yourself to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 11:23 PM
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All men have no ulterior motives and are always kind for the right reasons? Black and white thinking much? It absolutely does matter if hes nice to other people but ultimately women judge the behavior they can see in front of them. Do you repeatedly use your kind acts as an opportunity to step into their space, start a coversation, or otherwise garner a reaction from them explicitly? Or do you go about your buisness afterwards and only start coversations when you can naturally connect on somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 10:21 PM
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I absolutely think there are genuinely great/ kind and sincere guys, but what I'm refering to is guys who consider themselves "nice" but who are actually covert douchebags. This sort of "nice guy" resentment from people who only engage in nice acts as a form of sexual currency. The kind of guys that respond to rejection with a chip on their shoulder and put a particular woman they dont know on a pedastal one minute and call her a bitch or whore the next.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 09:55 PM
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