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The only policies that make sense are more paid maternal and parental leave. And lower cost of living in general. Traditionalism has no answer to this except begging women to change their priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:58 PM
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it's just strange to pair this with superficial judgements
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:53 AM
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Why are you friends with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:46 AM
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Politics doesn't belong on this list, it's the opposite of shallow to want to date someone with the same moral and cultural beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:44 AM
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he really had a Kramer-at-the-Laugh-Factory level crashout 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:28 PM
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What did he say?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:22 PM
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I do think women have it easier in some respects but I want to hear specifically how YOU think you'd do better than most women. What would your daily routine look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:58 PM
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I don't think you need to cede all ground on this though, yes there are beauty standards that women don't have a problem with, but there are absolutely ways that men can talk about womens' bodies that cause lifelong dysmorphia and distress. There's an obvious difference between pop singers talking about how they're baddies and "that was an excellent science paper, Carol! If you had bigger breasts you'd be at least a 7". Similarly for men there are beauty standards and ways of talking about them …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:20 PM
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I don't think women are really saying "communicate" though. Women have never liked guys who try and "win them over" when they're not interested. It's an entirely self-imposed humiliation ritual that comes from movies and music.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:01 PM
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If I were a woman I would have a rough coital encounter scheduled with a fit, hung stud for every spare half-hour not spent working or studying languages and linguistics Go on, write the fanfiction of how you'd succeed at being a woman and not be a loser playing mommy for some ugly chud who hates you. This will be a million times funnier than the girls describing how they'd make successful profiles for dating apps. Remember, since you're being reincarnated as an average girl, in order to look at…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:31 PM
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What happened to "men shouldn't bottle up their emotions" and "relationships should be emotionally honest and not built on lies"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:43 AM
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It's not unrealistic if you're hot enough
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:38 PM
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Why can't we harken back to the days of the 2010s, where women had more rights, but also dating women was easier and they didn't have height requirements? All these insane standards happened over the course of less than a decade. They're not a part of human nature
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:54 PM
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narcissistic viewpoint. Women are human beings with their own desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:58 AM
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when every woman is different, should you modify your behavior to: A) account for those who might feel uncomfortable and only approach with clear signs or B) fuck those unreasonable bitches, I don't care how they feel, I'm saying hi to everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:54 AM
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You're doing the same mental gymnastics as the women who say they "don't like gymbros" but the physique they're looking for is someone who goes to the gym but isn't a bodybuilder It's ok to admit you like makeup and it's ok to admit you like muscle. You don't need to search for a moral high ground rejecting these things because the extreme examples don't appeal to you (they're not meant to).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:46 PM
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Yeah don't trans men have it the roughest of everyone by far though
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:24 AM
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EDIT: Dear God do you people think "high standards" only concerns looks, height, money, and curves? These are the standards that are most depressing to deal with, yes. A woman who won't consider men under 5'9" or a man who won't consider flat-chested women also are looking for a placeholder they don't see as an individual, they're just long for a tall/big-breasted placeholder. Nobody has a problem with high standards when it comes to personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:54 AM
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ok so how is the left "viscerally misogynistic" for doing things that help everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:07 AM
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I've always wondered though, isn't it much safer and less awkward than turning down people IRL? Like it's much rather swipe left on someone I'm not attracted to than have them approach me and say no thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:07 PM
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I'm still not sure if it's some kind of niche fetish, or nuclear grade cope
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:17 AM
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Give the man a list of things he can do to become the man she's ravenously horny over. Decent men won't complain if it takes work, they just want assurance that it's possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:49 PM
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If someone started calling a sex toy their "girlfriend" or "boyfriend" that would be just as worrying
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:16 PM
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Where do you see women wishing men were like they "used to be"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:46 PM
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Exactly, it's the same as complimenting a man's height or vs. complimenting his physique. The things we can control should be the focus
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:40 PM
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Because he killed a parasitic billionaire, not a bunch of Chads. If someone killed Michael B Jordan or Jack Harlow because they embody the masculine ideal and get all the ladies, there wouldn't be a single person on Earth who loves that piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:00 AM
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They are too focused on trying to copy the "cool guy" instead of toppling the scam what did you mean by this if not the obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:29 PM
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Aren't the guys who "topple the cool guy" (in terms of dating success not billionaires) universally reviled as mass murderers? I don't think angry men attacking Chad is really useful in the same way that attacking billionaires is. Maybe we can pressure society into valuing traits in men like feminism, fitness, having fashion sense, being kind, etc. instead of being white, tall, narcissistic bullies. After all a lot of the emphasis on "mafia CEOs" and extreme height differences in romantasy didn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:13 PM
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A social institution so powerful that the entire culture telling them "performatively hate men or be excluded" isn't enough to stop it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:43 PM
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Comphet is when you're pressured to say "men are trash" or be kicked out of every sapphic space, but you don't ever go down on a woman when you have the opportunity to 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:30 PM
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the sad irony is that lesbians are so used to bi women preferring men, that a lot of them refuse to date bi women at all. Lesibans have it the roughest out of any group. Imagine having even more trouble dating than straight men, but all the people in your dating pool are SUPER outspoken about "having a boyfriend is an embarassment, bisexuality is being attracted to all women and one fictional man maybe, men are trash," and everything else they need to fit in, and then the vast majority of them c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:19 PM
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Ideally no, we'd both be dominant at least some of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:25 PM
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It means I like dominant woman but I can be fully dominant too. It's technically switch 4 switch since someone has to be the submissive one, but it describes the kind of vibe I'm looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:07 PM
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Ah I only know 420. And I've been with girls who smoked and had it on their profile, I still would not put "likes wrestling, pegging, dom4dom" on my profile because I know women would think I'm not respecting them as a person if I mention anything sexual in my profile
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:55 PM
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340?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:52 PM
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This would be great if there was an appropriate way to put what you're into in your profile, but apparently this means that you only think about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:48 PM
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People like them existing makes the world a worse place, though
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:27 AM
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Redpillers are at fault for their own loneliness, but there's a ton of feminist-leaning guys tired of dating who aren't redpillers
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:31 AM
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What does that have to do with something you do repeatedly and enjoy though, since that's what the OP is about If that doesn't really happen then just say that (I agree that it probably doesn't happen)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:31 PM
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even if you didn’t like it with the old partner since “you could be lying and you found him hotter”? ah ok that makes sense, I feel the same about not doing them a 2nd time if I didn't enjoy them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:31 PM
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I think the OP is taking about sex acts you're previously done multiple times, not just all sex acts involving a penis
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:25 PM
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I get what you're going at, but men don't really try out anal without knowing whether they like it or not first (and knowing how to clean themselves). There isn't really an analogue for "girl who tried anal once, hated it, didn't do it again". (And if a guy regularly enjoyed a sex act with a previous partner then yes it would be weird if he didn't want to do it with partners in the future)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:20 PM
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Are you talking 1950s or 2010s because I'm pretty sure the stats in 2010 were much better than now but women had more rights than they do now
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:02 AM
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Hours often is "don't stick your dick in crazy" used to shut down men when they talk about women treating them badly? There's tons of posts here about gold diggers and height-shamers, and people agree that it's a problem that isn't just men's fault for not "choosing better". That would be ridiculous. So why do it to women when they talk about men treating them badly?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:41 PM
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Yeah but with gym instead of makeup Are you one of the people who thinks looksmaxxing causes insecurity? Lack of romantic success makes people insecure, so insecure they can't even face hard facts and they live on eternal cope
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 12:31 PM
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Where are you hearing that it's men's fault that women bully each other
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:58 PM
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Lesbians have higher rates of loneliness and dead bedrooms than straight men, despite reporting more frequent orgasms early in the relationship If you compare the sex that gay men and lesbians are having, it's not even close
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:47 PM
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I didn't say that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:43 AM
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Women also don't "just exist," they bully each other into hyper focusing on their appearance in elementary school, to the point where they don't feel comfortable going outside without makeup If we want the same dating success we gotta get the same self hate grindset
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:04 AM
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Lifting and/or estrogen, ideally both
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:01 AM
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I think a big disconnect here is women thinking that men internalize this in the same way that women internalize the beauty standards that are forced on them. It's not healthy to think that someone is worth less because they're fat or have a weird-looking face and don't wear makeup. If you can't go outside without wearing makeup because you don't 'feel right', that's not a healthy life, that's a deep wound caused by beauty standards enforced early in life. Feminism still has a long way to go to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:54 PM
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that's what I'm saying
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:43 AM
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It's moreso caring about consent. If you sleep with a woman who isn't really physically attracted to you, that's gross and you don't really care about her pleasure or consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:10 PM
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If you're looking at lesbian porn because women's bodies turn you on, then you're at least bi. But if you're looking at it because it's the only place to see porn of a woman getting eaten out in a way that looks pleasurable, then you can be 100% straight even if you're looking at lesbian porn
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:07 AM
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What are you saying huh about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:33 PM
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I forgot that a lot of straight porn doesn't show clit simulation at all, I guess if you look at that part specifically and not at women's bodies then you're 100% straight
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 12:31 PM
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Watching porn you wouldn't want to at least roleplay IRL is way more porn-brained
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 12:22 PM
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This is even more incorrect than OP Edit: wait I guess if lesbian porn is the only porn that really shows clot simulation in a way that looks enjoyable, then you can be straight and only like lesbian porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 12:20 PM
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Are famous rappers taking about "she was a virgin, yeah she had low n count?" Successful men only care if you're loyal, the shaming comes from losers
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:53 AM
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It's not more common than incels. It's part of incels. One of the uglier parts of their beliefs that they don't all share, but you won't find successful people believing. Incels are pretty common and not that marginal currently
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:36 AM
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I guess with all the guys here saying "no you don't get it ALL women think [some weird evopsych shit]" there was bound to be a woman doing that for men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:23 AM
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Then he's trash and you shouldn't care what he thinks. Why try so hard to appeal to incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:44 AM
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Do high-quality men think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:52 AM
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Just date guys who don't care about promiscuity unless it means you're disloyal. You're trying to optimize yourself to appeal to incels
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:28 PM
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Advice that makes you more attractive to incels, who are the ones who care about you not being "easy", is pretty pointless. No successful man gives a fuck. You don't see famous rappers taking about how "she was a virgin", it's all about "she's a baddie who's loyal'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:24 PM
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Eh I mean I think you found the perfect analogy because buying expensive things for a woman doesn't show you care about her, it just shows you're desperate and have low self confidence It's very common for a guy to start out unconfident and throwing his money seeing and then gaining self-confidence once he gets into a relationship, and not doing it for women in the future
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:21 PM
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Agree but because I don't think long distance relationships work at all anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:50 AM
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Dating a bi man doesn't make you not straight. There is zero difference except the one in your head from homophobic stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:47 PM
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Racist people aren't obligated to date the people they're racist against. That doesn't mean we're obligated to be blind and not refer to them as racist. You're not obligated to see a man talking about how he's never date a woman with "high n counts" and think to yourself "hmm that's a well adjusted man that I'd like to be around as a progressive." And bi people aren't obligated to hear a woman taking about "I support you guys sooo much but ugh my bf came out to me and it was SUCH an ick even tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:27 PM
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If women acted like gay men then none of the problems this sub complains about would exist
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:16 PM
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I've always wondered why you'd care about a guy who has extreme incel opinions like that though. Like, talk to the actual redpill guys here and I'm pretty sure even the more extreme ones aren't saying "if she's too interested she's a hoe, pump and dump her and save it for the ones that aren't as easy". That's more like a strawman douchabag in a TV show
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:32 AM
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The simps ARE the redpillers. They're not different people, they're just at different parts of the same cycle of "I'm desperate and I'll spend money trying to impress women - ugh that bitch didn't appreciate all I sacrificed!!!?" instead of seeing her as a human being and making a genuine connection that isn't about money or sex
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:54 PM
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That's the opposite of true, the "hustle culture" fuckboys are the ones spending money on with, and they absolutely don't respect them. I know because I used to buy into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:46 PM
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They will find relationships, but the men who spend money to impress women have low self esteem and do not respect women as people. I flaunted my wealth a lot when I was younger and treated women kinda bad until I became a better person. I wasn't quite into Andrew Tate (he wasn't big at the time) but I was faking a persona and buying into hustle culture and not really seeking genuine interactions with people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:33 PM
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You know that the men who spend lots of money on women are the ones who crash out the hardest when she doesn't have sex with them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:12 PM
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I can get that from my friends without burdening them or being seen as weak. Men using women as their emotional support is a huge problem, it's why there's so many guys who are bitter at women, they aren't self-sufficient and they ask her to do emotional labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:50 PM
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I think being an athlete helps more than being a jerk
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:36 PM
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what do you mean "dehumanizing"? It's human to want sex. Just go after the people who treat women who aren't virgins worse, they're the problem here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:08 PM
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More attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:58 PM
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The anxiety around planning dates isn't the physical planning, it's guessing which activity she wants and knowing that guessing "wrong" will result in her sharing it with her friends like "a MUSEUM stopp I'm dyingggg" rather than her suggesting somewhere else
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:36 AM
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I disagree with both, 1) the only guys blaming women for "choosing wrong" are terminally online losers and 2) even if you can just "not choose" manipulative people, we should still try our hardest to discourage that behavior instead of just saying "well just don't choose them".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:32 PM
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Ah damn I didn't read that part mb
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:30 PM
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your title says ugly, but ugly can be fixed with gym. Women don't care about height or bone structure as much as the "blackpillers" want you to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:09 PM
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Then go on the apps and match with conventionally unattractive women. You don't want to? Conventional attractiveness matters now? Ok, then hit the gym and get a better barber. Girls start worrying about their appearance in elementary school. Catch up or get left behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:58 PM
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If you're young you can transition, and if everyone tells them "being a man means you MUST chase" and they deeply prefer being approached, I don't blame them for thinking that there's a fundamental disconnect between them and being male Sometimes it feels like saying "men should be able to be masculine and not have to fake an outgoing persona to be appreciated" is a more radical idea of gender that the world isn't ready for
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:49 PM
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The men who genuinely like to give and don't want anything back, are giving to streamers it's a niche thing that the vast majority of men don't want
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:19 AM
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Cooking for a woman is different, it shows you care about her and you're proud of your skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:40 AM
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Some men like to pamper women And some women enjoy anal, but the majority don't enjoy it for its own sake. The men that do enjoy pampering women for its own sake, not for anything in return, are the types that donate tons of money to streamers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:38 AM
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I'm against women being annoying just as much as I'm against men being annoying
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:39 PM
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Nah, telling advertisers to fuck off is a natural human emotion, BEING an advertiser is unnatural and unhuman Just be normal and get hot and then hot people wanna fuck. If you have to act a different way you're not looksmaxxing hard enough. Women are human beings and human beings want to fuck attractive people, regardless of attitude or fake personas
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:08 PM
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"just treat them like a sales prospect instead of a human being" Adblock isn't enough, advertisers should feel physical pain
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:27 PM
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The guys that react badly are dipshits you wouldn't want to date anyway. Sounds like a good filter, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:50 PM
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A minute? LMAO see a doctor
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:35 AM
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it can really really suck to be in love with a man and never once receive flowers, never be taken out on a nice date. Why would that suck? Men don't get flowers til their funeral and generally aren't taken out on dates, but they still enjoy it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:36 PM
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This is something that we would all be happy to do, if you would TELL us what you specifically want, and if those things are achievable. I know women were shamed in the past for being assertive about their wants, but you have to speak clearly for anything to get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:13 AM
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"Why don't we make life worse for everyone instead? Slutshame men! Have cops use more force against women! Draft everybody! Nobody gets bodily autonomy! End the wage gap, orgasm gap, and male loneliness epidemic, by making everyone single and broke!"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:31 AM
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who clearly find me attractive That's what she's saying, though. Attractiveness means you take care of your appearance and you don't have any serious personality flaws that would ruin that. She's not saying "shackle up with someone who settles for you and doesn't love you, she just treats you as a wallet" like RP is afraid of, she's saying "get a haircut and make some friends before you blame women for not unconditionally loving you".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 06:53 PM
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No that's standard advice, redpill is evopsych bullshit about faking a James Bond persona
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:13 PM
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She literally is, though. She's saying "We" not "I". She's the one who thinks women are a monolith
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 02:28 PM
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Why is it shitty? That's normal
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:51 PM
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It's crazy how in 2016 it seemed like everyone agreed that politicians pandering to people was bullshit, you needed someone with actual policies, not Hillary changing her accent when she went to the South and offering no real change. And then in 2024 the main issue was, sure a first-time homeowner bonus would be better for men than tarrifs, and Kamala was willing to throw trans people under the bus in order to focus on more popular policy- but Kamala's website had a shoutout for everyone but whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:53 PM
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Are there actually women saying that people would be OK with """dating""" AI? I thought that was only a thing that redpillers said, and didn't even personally believe, just to make women fret about their 'value'
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:42 AM
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You're describing scambots No wonder so many people hate Indians and women if they can't tell scammers from real people 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:30 PM
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I was agreeing with you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:14 PM
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The guys here emphasize virginity more than the average guy, or at least the successful frat boy type. You don't usually hear rappers say "she's a virgin", it's always "she loyal but she a baddie and a freak"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:59 PM
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absolutely agree, a housing thing and a lack of social spaces that aren't ripping you off
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 09:51 PM
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no one's ever entitled to those things, but people are falling behind and becoming isolated. Third spaces and places to meet people are expensive or nonexistent, the dating apps monetized loneliness, social media narratives make everyone bitter towards each other, even in progressive spaces people are starting to believe the "blackpill" of height/face and giving up on dating altogether, everyone offering advice is either trying to scam you or make themselves look better, and when you do get into…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 09:49 PM
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Two things are true: 1) it is a really, really bad sign that it's becoming normal for people to not have any sex or relationships til their mid 20s, and to be lonely through their 20s. This is not how it ever had been, not how life should be, and we need to address every economic and cultural aspect of how we got here. 2) youth is overrated if you have proper skincare, diet, and exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:54 PM
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this makes sense. I've always been suspicious that the Tiktok "female gaze" beauty standards that sprang up very recently (6ft+, blue eyes, face like Timothee Chalamet, curly white-people hair, insistence that going to the gym is not sexy) were purely a form of revenge since they're entirely genetics-based. I'm not bothered by a little bit of pettiness aimed at the right target, but these revenge beauty standards seem to be primarily heard by left-leaning guys who are quietly giving up, while th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:56 PM
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It's not impossible to be hot, extroverted, and a virgin, just more unlikely. It's like certain women who want a super confident man with progressive views towards women, but want him to pay for everything. Sure, there are definitely men who truly enjoy being a provider, but most men with self-confidence don't. Neither one is hypocrisy, and both are absolutely entitled to their preferences. But if someone with a strict he-pays-everything policy or virgins-only policy says "everyone I date is tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:50 PM
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It's possible to think that self-improvement is possible, but acknowledge that certain styles (the pretty twink look) are impossible without the right genetics
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:11 AM
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You're just describing the Blackpill there. Looking androgynous is pretty much impossible unless you're born with Chalamet level genetics. I don't think that's accurate to most women, women tend to have much gentler and fairer standards for men (muscle, fashion sense, play a certain gentle dom role, all things that anyone can achieve with enough effort)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:03 AM
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Straight people should also copy that model, instead of overthinking it and assigning emotional value to what is just an aesthetic thing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:57 AM
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I mean, that's exactly how gay men do it and they seem to be doing alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:47 AM
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Gay men don't really like femininity that much, it's more niche
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:45 AM
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You are more insecure than the majority of guys here if you think that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:35 AM
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They do find masculinity attractive, but it's "has a 6 pack and a big dick" masculinity the same way gay men see masculinity, not so much "goes to church, farts, and fights" masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:28 AM
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I'd reckon that the most heartbroken men from those old country songs are still happier and healthier than the average MGTOW
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:12 AM
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It's certainly part of it, at least the coupling, unless you're ace.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:55 AM
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because I want people to be happier and less isolated
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:10 PM
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fair point
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:57 PM
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exactly, I wouldn't even say it's shaming or ridicule to point out to someone "you really seem like you're wasting your life". It's just a fact that all the people, men or women, completely avoiding relationships because of gender war BS are gonna be miserable unless they make a change.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:52 PM
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no one is entitled to someone else as a reward. Dropping out of life and giving up makes you a loser. These statements do not contradict one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:09 PM
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yes, that's my point
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:08 PM
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yes, that is what I'm saying here
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:26 PM
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and then when his life is spent being single, he'll have to try extra hard and not regret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:25 PM
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If a man chooses porn and video games over women, even if he says he's happier and it's so much less is a hassle, we rightfully call him a loser. We don't force him to do anything, but we certainly force him to accept that his love works be better if he got up of his ass and dealt with his interpersonal issues
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:44 PM
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MGTOWs aren't really known for being happy and well-adjusted. I suppose there are asexual men, but they're rarer than the "sour grapes" angry virgin types.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:27 PM
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The entire post is telling men to do the opposite of "do better"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 11:25 AM
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ah I agree with that, it seems like it should be a universal expectation
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:30 PM
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yeah the men insisting women should be virgins and also good at sex are dumb af. I'm curious what your personal definition of basic responsibilities of a relationship are though, because I do agree there are some universal responsibilities like respecting boundaries and communicating like an adult, but I think a lot of people have different ideas of where/when it's OK to approach, what is a good 1st date location, at which date is it ok to talk about this or that, etc. that they think are univer…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:53 PM
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This is the truth, but sometimes women will not say what their specific preference is and act like it's a universal rule that you are disrespecting her by not following. Both men and women need to learn that women are not a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:11 PM
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I've heard it best described as "Safety first, blame later". Break up the abusive situation first, no questions asked, then you put the abuser on trial.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:07 PM
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This might be a "basic thing everyone understands", but given a lot of discourse on this sub, maybe it is helpful for everyone to be reminded of the basics
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:37 PM
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you're right that there are some sad people here, but even here most people are laughing at you for not being able to get laid without spending money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 03:18 PM
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It's definitely bad and I'm glad I never actually had contact besides sending pics in thigh highs, but tbh being rejected over race/height/bisexuality has been WAY worse for my mental health. I don't mind rejections over things I can change though
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:37 PM
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I was groomed and I don't think it's as big of an issue as getting rejected over race or other unfair unchangeable standards
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:28 PM
2

They're often paid to say shallow things, or cherry picked
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:07 PM
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They're talking about TikTok ragebait where women are interviewed and say "I'd never date under 6ft, he has to have blue eyes, he has to make over $200k, and if he has any friends that's an ick" It's a reasonable reaction but it's not based on reality
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:18 PM
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what other places are there
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:55 PM
2

How would he do this if they're not at the club
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:50 PM
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I mean he did say he wished women in their 30s were there, it doesn't sound like he only goes after young women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:48 PM
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If it's only younger there's definitely a problem, like Leo DeCaprio tossing out his girlfriends when they reach 25. Not the same level of problem of course, but still a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:45 PM
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tbf he says he's bothered by with in their 30s not being in clubs, so it doesn't sound like he only goes for younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:44 PM
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No one says it's sad if women have a lot of sex, unless they're doing it with people they don't really enjoy it with
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:22 PM
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That's kinda sad if that's true
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:00 PM
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I disagree with the redpill guys here on everything, but I have not seen a single one who would resent you for earning more than them. You must have a knack for finding the biggest incels on the planet and internalizing what they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:03 PM
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Doesn't the Red Pill describe this as "beta bucks", and consider it a terrible fate?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:54 PM
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I've always said that "Everyone is beautiful!" is meaningless if your odds of ever finding someone who thinks you're beautiful are low. Similarly here, the odds of them finding other toxic people that will be happy with them and put up with their BS are very, very low. So saying that we can't call their personality "bad" because it's still subjective, is not really useful. The vast majority of people will find them unbearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 01:11 AM
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They're sorta defined by finding no one to play with, despite games being open to everyone, because they've been kicked out of so many places
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:49 AM
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I would also say that most people are not that guy. My point is that there is such a thing as bad personality. (Although I didn't think there's really a consensus on "good personality" in the same way that everyone agrees certain people have a bad one. I think it's more like food, where the best food is subjective, but there is also objectively bad food.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:38 AM
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If you don't describe those people as having bad personalities, then your definition of "bad" means nothing. It's even emptier than saying "everyone's beautiful!" because there are people who can only get horny over ugly people (not enough that most ugly people with ever find them, but enough that morbidly obese porn, granny porn, etc is a whole industry), but even within these nerdy communities, where tons of people say they prefer awkward/weird/nerdy folks to "normies", no one is actively look…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:12 AM
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If you've ever played TTRPGs or Magic The Gathering, everyone knows "that guy" who is unbearable to play with r/rpghorrorstories has a treasure trove of them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 11:06 PM
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Wait so abortions went up, and women dying of endometriosis and having unwanted children also went up? Who exactly thinks this is a good outcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 05:53 PM
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Not at all true. "Going steady" is what people called being exclusive, dating meant just going on dates. However there was social pressure to not have sex until you were going steady, but then again, there was social pressure to not have sex until you were married, so it was more of a "don't talk about it" things that pride still did frequently
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 01:09 PM
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That's how it worked in the old days, too. They called exclusivity "going steady". There definitely was social pressure to not talk about having sex before marriage, though. People still did it all the time but it was something you didn't talk about
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 01:04 PM
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You've never seen women stop doing something because they saw it as unpopular? Tell me how often you see duckface selfies in 2025
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:21 PM
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I mean you do know that telling a real person "wow I thought only incels thought these things" will affect her more than "see this is why women are hypocrites!" Divide and conquer. If she feels like all other women are doing it, she'll think it's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:10 PM
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Your form and diet is likely wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:33 PM
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Agree, and not just for women who like pegging, but also for women who want a "dom-top" man, which I would guess is the majority of women. I think the reason for a ton of dating struggles is that there's widespread misinfo (and misrepresentation from men) about what healthy dominance looks like. Gay men who want a dom-top man aren't afraid to hit someone up and have the important talk about boundaries early on. But women who want a dom, are told by other women that they can't be too forward, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:51 PM
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tf do you mean why is "whites only" a bad dating criteria I'm not gonna force people with these preferences to date non white people (or to date short people), I wouldn't want to be with a racist shallow person, but I'm sure as hell not gonna respect them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:16 PM
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I support women having high standards I don't think "he must be white and tall" is a high standard, it's just terrible judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:27 PM
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I mean yeah if a woman is mocking men for knowing how to shoot or fight, and for having a strong body that's capable of that, then yes she's spreading slave morality according to Nietzsche. But Nietzsche wasn't Senator Armstrong, his definition of strength and power that he was so focused on isn't about destruction, he meant more personal striving. There's definitely some violent control over others baked into his idea of power, but "will to power" isn't "might makes right".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 04:27 AM
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then that's a pathetic way to spend your one life. Hit the gym, not just for womens' attention, but to learn to accomplish something instead of giving up before you try.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 04:16 AM
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The hypothetical introduced to show that you don't have consistent criteria for what counts as "fake", other than it benefitting others
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:44 PM
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even in that situation it results in women gaining immeasurably more from it Is that how you decide something is fake? I thought I was gonna have to pass you harder for you to admit that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:32 PM
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But a third party complaining about it, does make it fake? Is shaving fake? Shaving usually takes more time and effort for women than makeup, and it's "hiding" something about her that will reappear if she stops doing it. Do you only date women with a full bush because that's "honest"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:12 PM
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Who decides if a self improvement method is fake? You can moralize about how women are "tricking" men with makeup, but the men who date women who wear makeup aren't complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:03 PM
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And do you wish that there were ways you could do the same, or are you bitter at women at being able to do that when you can't? Nietzsche talked a lot about the mindset of "I'd rather call this method of thriving immoral than wish it for myself, and the idea that it could be possible means my righteous suffering is for nothing." That's the picture perfect definition of ressentiment and slave morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:21 PM
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You say immutable traits and the one you mention seeing women respond to is physique. Are you one of those "I just can't build muscle because of my genes so I'm never gonna seriously try!" folks?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:14 PM
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The solution is not to cater to these women as leftism claims, but to actively attack and antagonize them politically and socially- men will be able to boost their mood and self-esteem by doing so And how's that going lol This whole post seems less like what conservatives actually believe, and more like clickbait. If anyone left of Trump said this about the Redpill movement they'd be accused of strawmanning
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 12:59 AM
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Change your flair to "blackpill". You are encouraging men to focus on facial appeal that cannot be changed rather than things that can. This is not healthy and will not lead to any productive outcomes. (Although kudos for saying that height is overvalued and grooming is undervalued)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 11:09 AM
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You'd rather have no traditional relationship, than betray the boundaries that were created for the sake of protecting a traditional relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:50 PM
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What does what your said have anything to do with what anyone else said
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:34 PM
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Depends whether beliefs means your own values or your own reality If you've tried it enough to understand what it's like and decided "it's not my thing", that's very different from forming an initial judgment and deciding that you don't want to understand it. (In fact this divide is more important than the difference of values itself, and plays a main role in the dying of both traditional and non-traditional lifestyles.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:13 PM
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I wonder if OP overreacted to a woman saying she's been to a club once, like it was 2010s Burning Man with psychedelics and orgies, not a group of friends planning to go together, wear trendy but not scandalous clothes, have 2-4 wildly overpriced drinks, dance for 10 minutes and talk the rest of the time, and then head home together.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:48 PM
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I think you should spread the message that just being taller than her is enough, because a lot of people here seem to have the idea that it's hopeless if you're not 6ft+ which only 15 percent of the population is
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:40 AM
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This is literal rapist logic and I feel bad for the women in your life. If she's not enthusiastically, viscerally attracted to you, don't be with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:20 PM
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Just a heads up, it feels way worse, not better, to tell guys that dad bods are ok but being short is niche. It's basically saying "Tall white men don't have to try, but the vast majority of you have no way to change your situation"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:49 PM
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strawman presented like I agree with it "Why can't men do the same???"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:40 AM
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I think a lot of redpill guys are thinking you're saying "I like a man who will approach me and flirt aggressively" ie violate rules of consent
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 12:57 AM
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it's possible to be neither a doormat nor a douche
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:29 PM
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Yes, but nothing is worse than a mid guy who thinks he's hot enough to be a douche
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:15 PM
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ah whoops I got tripped up by my own double negatives, my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:27 PM
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but you said that wanting someone with a bimbo personality is shallow (which I agree with)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:26 PM
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So when it's traits women like (according to evopsych/redpill at least) that are correlated with being a worse partner, that's loving someone on a deeper level, but when it's traits men like that are correlated with being a worse partner, that's superficial?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:15 PM
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If a guy said "I want a woman who's a bimbo!" would that not be shallow just because it's a preference for personality
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:37 PM
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I thought the "Chris Hemsworth is the male gaze" was them weaponizing Blackpill rhetoric to try and make conservative men give up on dating entirely. Like, it's a weird thing to do, but it makes more sense than pointing out the one thing you can change about yourself and saying "we don't actually care about that" and then expecting men to feel good about that statement
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:15 PM
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Blame whenever told you that, then
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 02:58 PM
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but winning in a democracy means getting elected (which is 100% branding), not just passing better policy than the other guy and hoping the vibes trickle down. You don't think this is setting a bad precedent? You don't think we're headed towards Idiocracy if pandering matters more than policy? And I never said Biden's infrastructure deal was as bad as Trump, it's just that this type of Keynsean economics did not sit well for people who were mostly concerned with the price of eggs. If there's one…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:48 PM
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can you point to a single law that specifically discriminates against black people? Redlining, gerrymandering, de-facto segregation in private vs underfunded public schools, police militarization and qualified immunity (this is also an anti-male policy, I don't hear a lot of people mentioning that) The Duluth model existed before most of us were born and is not being pushed by the left. Both sides are scared to touch it because they know their opponents can easily run ads saying "Candidate X is …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:34 PM
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It could be shallow if these men were more likely to be abusive, which extroverted confident men are (by a slight margin). However this premise is all bullshit, guys in advertising/sales are not known for being ladykillers. Athletes are. Women aren't actively attracted to pickup artist types, it's just that being super annoying and forward increases your chances by the sheer numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:55 PM
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I thought these books were rare and it was just a redpill talking point
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:49 PM
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Sex (with someone who knows how to do it) is mutually beneficial. Sugar relationships are only mutual in the sense that being dependent is dangerous. There's no upside to this type of relationship other than not going broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:48 PM
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Many men and women today will say that even if they’re legally married if they feel like the marriage is headed for divorce anyway, sleeping with someone else isn’t cheating You gotta hang around different people, this isn't a normal view
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:41 PM
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Name a single policy that was against straight white men Or do you only care about the lack of rhetorical pandering, and not the actual things the government does?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:36 PM
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The DNC's official platform not specifically naming white men is not the same thing as policies against white men. You care more about the branding than the actual policy. I'm fairly centrist, I agree with the majority of the country in terms of disliking how high inflation was for the last 4 years because of Biden's overspending. Trump is spending even more unfortunately, but that doesn't mean I'm a partisan shill for every objectively bad decision that Biden made.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:30 PM
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case in point (also not sure why the infrastructure bill was cited as an example of something that helps men, and not paternity leave or the child tax credit? The infrastructure bill was just a standard FDR massive spending project that doesn't really accomplish anything good)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:29 PM
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I'm not sure how the left was supposed to win when the right has the ability to say "the left thinks X!" based on some twitter rando and soyjack comics, and be taken seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:44 PM
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Ah gotcha For what it's worth I also do think it's sus if an older guy only dates 10+ years younger, like a Leo DeCaprio situation. I don't think I'm a moral authority on this but I get it as well, there are situations where it crosses from a personal dislike to a problem (not that this is one). I think I just get really worried at the idea of my generation saying extreme stuff, and I feel like the misogynist stuff is "too far gone" to engage with, so I end up policing my own side more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:04 PM
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But surely women know the difference between the very real oppression against them, which they should speak out against, and their personal icks, which is a weird thing to broadcast to people you aren't personally dating, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:12 AM
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Why world it be a threat?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:04 AM
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I think a lot of guys are confused because the positive signals for "yes, you can flirt" are different for every woman, so there is really no way of telling if a woman consents to your approach until afterwards. It's a social dynamic that's guaranteed to violate consent so least some of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:22 PM
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I agree, it would be better for everyone if girls approached as much as guys do While I wouldn't personally be rude to an ugly woman approaching me, I definitely would find it awkward, and I'm glad that it doesn't generally happen. Looks-based attraction isn't bad, unless the standards are unreachable. I don't know where people got the idea that women only care about mens' actions and not their appearance, it's not something I've ever heard people around me say in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:52 PM
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That has more to do with approaching (yes it is a problem that women and men don't approach equally) If someone you don't like approaches you IRL, and you have to pay the "politely turn them down" game, that's a lot different than if they're just sitting there thinking "wow, he's so hot, I wish he'd say hi to me"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:10 PM
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Personally I get distracted from things I want to do by horny thoughts constantly, I don't like thinking about sex unless I'm having it right this minute
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:08 PM
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That's true for human beings in general tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:28 PM
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She said "work harder" so she clearly has so least prioritizes some things (like muscle) that can be improved
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:45 AM
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they exist, they're called baggy pants, baggy hoodie, and no makeup doesn't seem very popular of a look
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 09:28 PM
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You're describing someone making their personality worse and getting rewarded for it. Alcoholics are not known for their respect for consent or their kindness to children. Every college will tell you NOT to try and hook up with anyone who's drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:56 PM
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u/Few-Yesterday9628 said "Now how do women weed out parasitic men? Ya know. The ones who want kids but don't actually want to do any parenting?" Unless there are blatant signs he's gonna be a shitty dad (like a history of being a deadbeat), there's no way to tell for certain until he actually has to take care of a kid. So you can't entirely pin the blame on the woman for not "choosing better". And shit tests like "if he doesn't pay, treat me like a princess, and have a spotless room" are what ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:05 PM
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"just become a single mom lmao"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:26 PM
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found with a 5 second Google Scholar search for "endocrinology textbook testosterone affect on sexual arousal" "Testosterone has a primary role in controlling and synchronizing male sexual desire and arousal, acting at multiple levels. Accordingly, meta-analysis indicates that testosterone therapy for hypogonadal individuals can improve low desire"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:55 PM
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The vast majority of men. This is like asking a woman for a source when she says periods make her feel a certain way. You can experience the same thing if you take testosterone. Tons of trans men talk about how unbelievably horny they are after they started T.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:26 PM
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That's probably because men who see nudity as nonsexual have lower testosterone. T really makes you horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:19 PM
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People generally aren't turned on by childrens' and animals' bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:03 PM
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I'm bisexual and very gender-liberated, but I think the only man who can cuddle and not get horny is one with very low testosterone levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:52 PM
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I've had friends who platonically cuddled. The only time I've ever cuddled and not wanted to fuck was when my dog died, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:49 PM
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that seems to be how people in happy relationships do it of course it's easier said than done, and this shouldn't be extrapolated to me saying "just be a good person and you're guaranteed to find love, physical attraction doesn't matter at all to women, and the men who think it does are bad!" that this sub takes issue with. Improving looks can open up a lot of opportunities. But successful long-term relationships do tend to focus more on both people liking each others' company.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:36 PM
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It's definitely possible for two people to be mutually miserable, and both wish they were with some ideal partner instead "Hand in unlovable hand", and all that I don't know how a couple would fix that, tbh. Just saying "well you can't date above your league, be happy with what you've got" probably doesn't make them into a healthy couple. I feel like healthy couples don't feel like they're settling, and don't feel like they're being settled for, because the connection makes them feel like the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:32 PM
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Insane that you got downvoted lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:15 PM
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He chief someone saying that 12-16 year old boys who has sex were more likely to be misogynists, but got angry when people asked him for a source regarding adults
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:12 PM
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You're absolutely right that men don't prefer sex with many women to the same amount of sex with one woman, but knowing you're hot enough that you could come home from the club with any woman you want is always going to be seen as desirable. The only exceptions I can think of are asexuals, and the types of religious cult that ban rap music.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:07 PM
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Yeah they can. Lift weights, skincare, get a good barber, have non-nerd hobbies, make friends with women who you actually enjoy listening to and don't just wanna fuck. It might not be "fair" that guys have to do all this and women can just look young and pretty (which takes WAY more effort and stress than guys realize, but it's not a contest). But spaces like this should be about practical advice instead of the 999th post about "modern dating RUINED everything" or "the only men who struggle are …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 05:32 PM
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But the ones they do have matter more. Women's attractiveness is much based on having a pretty face and a feminine fat distribution, men are lucky that they're mostly judged on musculature (that also affects face). Of course the way some people act, obsessing over height, is much crueller than what women have to deal with, but IRL women don't care about height as much as Reddit pretends they do. (Dick size however is crucially important, but "big enough" is still below the average, so it's also …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 12:55 AM
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saying it's a need for a successful relationship =/= entitlement to other people
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 08:30 PM
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Ironically tho eating dessert and drinking alcohol usually pushes you over from "dad-bod" to "fat". Dad bod is just the peak of a clean bulk.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 04:24 PM
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Lower-healthy is the key, I was always told that "getting super bulky is only for the powerlifter nerds, if you want girls, go for the sub 10% lean look like Zyzz," but so many people look like the soldier coming back from WW1 at those levels. Now it seems like girls prefer the """dad bod""" AKA training hypertrophy hard but not cutting below 15%.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 04:08 PM
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Yeah it definitely seems more like a suburban Southern thing than something I'd expect in New York City for example. If I lived there though, the rent would bleed me dry a lot more than the "gold diggers" men here fearmonger about, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 06:03 PM
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Women are taught to say yes to this that they aren't excited for, and to just go with the flow. My own mother didn't correct the priest at her mom's funeral when he mispronounced her name. She would let her own mom be buried by a priest who didn't say her name right, because she didn't speak up. It wasn't because anyone in her family was abusive, she just never learned to be assertive. I've had women say yes to me and show no real interest or initiative in the relationship. I was always the one …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 05:16 PM
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It's not entirely consistent but the main feature is "gets tons of hot women fawning over him". If someone is shockingly handsome and successful, but women aren't interested, he is not described as a Chad. If someone only has sex with hot women because of his money, he's not a Chad because their thirst for him isn't real. It's the difference between famous rappers flaunting money to show they're a big deal (when they could get just as many baddies by spending nothing), and someone who pays for p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 04:55 PM
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There's nothing more shallow than desiring hot girls while not putting in effort to look good yourself. The "fuccboi Chads" who focus only on attraction, are at least seeing women as humans, with human desires like lust, that they can satisfy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 04:27 PM
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I would love to date women who are attracted to me. How do you suggest I do this? I started playing volleyball with a group of gay guys and a ton of them flirted with me, it was very easy to tell. Are there groups of women who will be similarly easy to read? I don't want to play a guessing game with every woman I'm attracted to, especially when so many will say yes to whatever I offer while having no real thirst or eagerness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 04:16 PM
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"even if he's 5'10" " please tell me you're making fun of what redpillers think women want
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:57 PM
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I think you're right about the top 20% guys lookswise doing better with women if their success doesn't make them douchebags, but you have an extremely optimistic view of the corporate world, which is currently getting WAY worse right now
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:42 PM
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I'd rather read a book about a solution than endless posts arguing who to blame for a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:20 PM
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No, I'm saying good men aren't hard to find
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:42 AM
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Are there no volunteering/activism groups near you? I can find feminist guys easily. They just aren't always attractive, and they're less likely to approach because they care about making others feel comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:17 PM
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Everyone infleunces other people. Tate didn't invent misogyny, he's just an example of it. In fact I'd say that normal people are influenced way more by their friends than by anyone online.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 09:40 PM
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I mean this is a default response to everyone doing something shitty. We should discoyrage people from acting like Andrew Tate for example, not just say "don't like it don't date em". Sifting through shitty people is already difficult enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 06:43 PM
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Friendship is about a lot more than first impressions and biases, those just play a big part in meeting people
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:18 PM
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Cuteness. It's not even really a man vs woman thing, it's specifically a pretty girl thing. You can put your heart on your sleeve and be super awkward and fail at everything, and everyone finds it adorable. Trans women have the best perspective on this. When they pass, it's like they receive this ocean of sympathy, but if they transition late and still look "mannish", they're given zero grace and judged extremely harshly by even the most progressive people. It's not as much a sexual thing as jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:12 PM
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Are We Dating The Same Guy is specifically about the things men do, not their looks, though. Would you say it's a positive thing because of this then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 12:29 AM
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tbh this is probably closer to how the average guy thinks than the reactions on AskMen, I would guess. But I could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 12:21 AM
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certainly there are going to be some who disagree. Did I do a good job of characterizing the majority though?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 12:08 AM
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Anyone who thinks women like "bad boy" traits is a moron. Women like physically attractive men, and these men can get away with bad boy traits. They would get even more pussy if they were hot but also kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:13 AM
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cheating is pretty rare (common to encounter, but few people actually do it). The types who cheat are definitely more the Andrew Tate "I'll buy you expensive gifts and approach so aggressively I'm always pushing boundaries" types
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:30 PM
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There are plenty of men who want a deeper connection and can wait for sex. They're just not the ones chasing or flaunting money, because it's insincere and they're looking for something deeper.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:18 PM
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putting someone on the spot for a date is usually seen as way more rude than playful light flirting. I think you should go and flirt with women as an experiment, so you can have perspective on what women (who aren't you) feel uncomfortable with. Women aren't a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:10 PM
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exactly. Don't touch or flirt with people unless they ask you to, or if it's in a way that EVERYONE is ok with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:03 PM
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that's more of a preference than a boundary. Would you touch a women you don't know on the shoulder or waist, even if most women had a preference for it? No, because that's disrespecting a boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:48 PM
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Individuals having different things they're uncomfortable with absolutely matters, unless you don't care about women at all and whether they're uncomfoirtable
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:30 PM
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Not really vice versa, since women don't really have the equivalent of pickup artists, who are the ones doing most of the chasing, so they can pump & dump. Chances are if a guy buys you things he's not interested in long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:37 PM
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Edit photos? Isn't that against the rules? (I mean besides cropping and the like)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:23 PM
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I mean do you live in an area where there aren't any progressives at all or something Either way you can just date girls without needing a "reason" for it lol. If you're laying in bed and your lesbian gf asks you "what's your favorite thing about me?" she's gonna want a reason that doesn't involve "so there's this thing on the Internet called the Red Pill..."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:27 PM
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The right absolutely wants these things if they hurt progressive men and vindicate their views on women. The absolute WORST thing to them is the idea that if they were good people, they would have success. See how much guys here rage at this idea compared to blackpill stuff that sounds much harsher to men. Women having height requirements, playing games and playing cruel games is something they rage at, but they want it to be true because it vindicates the idea that they're good people in an unr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 06:15 PM
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That's what scares me, the idea that women are doing exactly what right-wingers want, and telling themselves they're "getting back at them"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:25 PM
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Advertisements didn't make me like thicc girls (still not into obese just bottom heavy chubby), but porn did You can't decrease peoples standards but you can change them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 12:24 PM
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No. That's my whole point. Gym makes them more feminine (bigger ass, thighs, smaller waist), and conversely Hollywood stars use makeup that gives them darker more piercing eyes and features that look more chiseled.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:48 PM
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It seems more desperate than confident tbh. Asking out a friend after knowing her a few weeks shows someone that can wait and doesn't just ask out everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:29 PM
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taking care of your body, eating right and diet, is a million times more important No argument there Point is that women self-improving is not the problem ("dishonesty"/"shallowness"/"immorality" are words attached to every unsanctioned form of self improvement in slave morality). The problem is women not letting men self-improve or shaming them for self-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:55 PM
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not like that, like every male actor
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:42 PM
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Women do workout, go to any gym and you can see women doing cardio and legs. Similarly to how there are workouts for women that target glutes and thighs instead of making them look mannish, there can be different makeup for men that makes them masculine instead of womanly. Hollywood already does this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:15 PM
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In that case, it makes more sense for men to wear makeup and for women to stop judging men who do (although they don't seem to mind when every male actor does). A society that gives people ample opportunities to gain admiration through effort and self-improvement, is much healthier than one that shames self-improvement because it's "fake/shallow/immoral". The latter is the exact definition of Nietzsche's concept of Slave Morality. In Nietzsche's time, a low-born man aspiring to greatness was see…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:28 PM
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Absolutely. I think most normal people do that, they just don't call it "MGTOW" or "4B", and the ones who do seem less like they're taking a sanity break, and more like they're sinking deeper into obsession and bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:56 PM
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Definitely wiser than being angry. "Cope" shouldn't be a dirty word, it's healthier than not coping and crashing out. We just shouldn't look for deep psychological analysis of the opposite gender from people who are coping.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:52 PM
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Show, don't tell. Men like women with pretty faces, they don't like women who yap about makeup. Similarly, women like men who look strong (including "dad bod" aka powerlifter build), they don't like men who yap about the gym and make it their personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:33 PM
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That makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 12:27 AM
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We're just doing descriptions of ragebait now?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:08 PM
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What does it mean to be a feminine man that isn't young-looking? Do you have examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:04 PM
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See the thing is, I'm autistic and I totally agree about needing to understand nonverbal cues as a general life skill that's important with friendship too. (I also think that several other "stereotypically masculine" things like weightlifting are just generally good things for everyone to do, and should be decoupled from pickup artist BS) The problem is that approaching strangers is such an alien form of social skills, compared to just knowing how to be a good friend and read cues. Women aren't …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:15 PM
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Have some more confidence, confidence is more attractive than money and desperation anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 08:27 PM
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You are more insecure than even most of the guys here
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:30 PM
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just the choice to say "degraded" in regards to casual sex I guess you could also be referring to guys who have a degradation kink and want to insult you during sex (idk if that's a thing people encounter often)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:38 AM
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Why shape your life around what low-quality misogynists want from you? Successful men, from frat bros to movie stars, don't care if she's a virgin, they would only be turned off by sexual history if it didn't seem like she could stay loyal
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:11 PM
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it's worth noting that even on this sub, where you can find the most anti-feminist men on all of Reddit, no one really thinks you're "degraded" by having casual sex. You're living your life trying to please an imaginary misogynist who is worse than even the bitterest incels here, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:48 PM
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I'm bi, and a ton of aggressive straight-married guys have been extremely forward with me. Dating men is still 100x less of a hassle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:45 PM
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"hey, I know absolutely nothing about you other than that I find you physically attractive, and I think that is a good enough reason to be interested in dating you" This is the case with cold approaches in general though. If you knew something about her besides "she goes here" then it wouldn't be a cold approach
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:31 AM
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So in other words never have boundaries or needs and say yes to everything without letting on whether it hurts
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 03:39 PM
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hence why the study said those men are also more likely to commit sexual assault and battery.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:05 AM
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Yes to which?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 11:58 PM
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Wait so it's less that they want a dominant man and more that they think they have to be submissive? Because most guys I know have basically given up on finding a dominant woman who isn't trying to scam them lol. I think the vast majority of women want a dom (sexually at least, probably not a pushy asshole). Guys are probably 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:21 PM
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Yeah this sub has some sexist guys. Most guys are fine with women doing this tho, and also might want to verify if his kid is really his.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:45 PM
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I agree! Sites like "Are we dating the same guy?" are important and men shouldn't feel bad about women using them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:43 PM
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the problem is that the social skills feminist guys are taught to seek are more "see people as human beings and help your friends through difficult times with empathy", not "treat women like you're a used car salesman". The two are in pretty direct opposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:44 PM
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To show that the current ways couples find each other is filtering out feminist men, not misogynists and creeps. Mainly the advice of "never talk about politics, make him chase, don't be successful or assertive, don't date bisexual men," it actively funnels you towards men who don't respect you. Also, feminist men need to hit the gym more. It's baffling how we surrendered that to the right just so we could taunt right-wingers with "it's not your looks, it's your personality" when it turns out th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:50 PM
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"I personally know absolutely ugly men who are slaying it with women" is true and does not imply "looks don't matter". It means "Looks are not the only factor". Although getting into a relationship with someone who doesn't find you physically attractive is pretty much a guarantee for a dead bedroom
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:27 PM
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If you say we believe something that we don't, it's a good sign you should engage with what we're actually saying instead of what other people tell you we're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:13 PM
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If it's in this sub I'm sure you can give an example
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:01 PM
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I think you're confusing "social-conservatives' biggest roadblock isn't their looks, it's regressive views" with "looks don't matter at all" which I would challenge you to find anyone who says
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:37 PM
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... How does anything you did contradict the "blue pill" or feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:47 PM
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I agree with everything you said, but the "torture" part is kinda complicated when every amateur vid of a goth chick sitting on a guy's face and telling him not to cum is called EXTREME ASPHYXIATION ORGASM DENIAL TORTURE lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 11:41 PM
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In general I think the female gaze can be explained as a trend where men may idealize very buff bodybuilders on testosterone more than the amount of women actually attracted to that body type I mean, this alone is what "blackpill" men are trying to tell men in order to make them feel hopeless and give up
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 07:06 PM
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Ah yeah I didn't catch the subtle self awareness at first. Most guys can't comprehend the "If you don't use these products then you don't ✨love yourself✨" stuff, it feels like 1984 "war is peace" rhetoric. A lot of guys don't know how brutally elementary school girls bully each other, and how deep that shit gets lodged in your brain. It's definitely getting worse with younger generations, too. I wonder at some point in the future, whether the beauty industry will do to men what it did to women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 01:16 PM
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Have you tried looking like a femboy? Being a bodybuilder is legit easier unless you're .01% of the population
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:39 PM
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Why aren't you campaigning to make it acceptable for men to wear makeup? Actors already do it. A world where everyone maximizes themselves is better than a world where everyone tries to keep each other "humble". You should read Nietzsche
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:39 PM
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Where's the research?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:31 PM
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It is kinda true that Testosterone will have only negative changes unless you're putting in work at the gym. It wrecks your face, your hairline, your skin, your health, etc, whether it's natural or injected. Testosterone is only valuable if you're putting in the work and not wasting it. But having it makes your work pay off tenfold.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:30 PM
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That's kinda the distressing part Idgaf whatever Andrew Tate says about being a man but when women start echoing the blackpill stuff because "teehee it's so fun and catchy and it makes people soooo mad, they must be losers" it actually hurts
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:23 PM
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Even when trying to reassure people you don't mention the largest population, Asian men, at all LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:16 PM
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https://gymdesk.com/blog/gym-membership-statistics/ Also the average BMI (and WHR which is a better health and fitness indicator) or men is significantly worse than women
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:11 PM
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How do you have the username "femboy" and not understand the work that goes into being slim thick
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:10 PM
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If men carried their fat in their hips/thighs instead of their gut, I bet a lot more women would be interested in chubby guys. Visceral (gut) fat is the number 1 cause of death in first-world countries
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:04 PM
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Is this a joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:01 PM
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It's possible to be aware of your own shallowness and take steps to have less of it. For example, I like cute/pretty faces, but I acknowledge that it's a shallow thing (and not only shallow but largely based on luck). If I see someone who doesn't have a cute face, I might not be attracted to them but I acknowledge that it's because of shallow reasons. I feel guilty for the shallowness and so I don't say anything negative, because the world doesn't need more shallow opinions. If my friend is in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 09:33 PM
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This needs to be said more. Real love can only thrive when you acknowledge what you're asking of others. SO MUCH of what's wrong with dating is people creating contorted versions of what the other gender should "naturally" be like.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 02:28 PM
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Because trying to start a physical fight with a college student by saying "TOUCH ME, I DARE YOU" looks ridiculous If he started insulting her back, even if he was even more crass or just factually wrong, it would be shared all over social media as "conservative DESTROYS SJW!!!" instead of "Conservative loses his shit and tries to physically fight a kid"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:25 PM
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In a scenario where the creep isn't on the run from Romanian authorities, and isn't dumb enough to incriminate himself, taunting doesn't have any effect except turning the audience against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:18 PM
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Thing is, in order to have women be honest about what they find attractive, they need to be 100% sure people aren't going to go "women like abs and getting spanked? Those whores most be controlled lest their desires doom Western Civilization" or "you LIAR you only like things beyond our control! Admit the Blackpill is right so I can tell justified in my misanthropic rage!" This sub doesn't have a great track record for both of these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:56 PM
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I just like assertive women with big muscles, what are you talking about (I mean I do definitely see guys who think their submissiveness in itself is sexy, which it really really is not, dominant women like a strong well-adjusted guy they can break, they do NOT like mommy-takes-care-of-little-boy fantasies. But I assume the guys into those fantasies just don't know that about women, not that they have insecurity over it)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:38 PM
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Greta's use of it was amazing and very funny, but she taunted him to make him MORE angry and overconfident and likely to do something dumb. Insulting his mother would've had the same effect (though he probably hates her idk) I use Grindr and posted nudes on several places, and let me tell you, the unsolicited-dick-pic-senders bother you even MORE aggressively when you tell them how small they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:33 PM
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fair enough, but I think posting helpful links is more effective at building support for the left than any amount of arguing with redpillers on this sub, as well as being way less stressful and depressing. Granted, I don't come here to make good decisions with my time, I come here to read shit that makes me feel bad for the future and then nitpick the people on my side.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:14 PM
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A to-do list that works. Red-pill gurus are already providing that info and throwing in "...and don't treat them like human beings, and always vote against their interests" so it's less of an issue of "oh those poor poor guys why is no one helping them" and more "the Taliban is giving aid to those villages we forgot about, this is not going to end well"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:43 PM
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Nah, loneliness is a huge problem in the lesbian community (statistically even more than straight men) due to bars dying out and not having any good spaces to meet people. I think that's a problem that needs addressing, and it's very similar to the problems men face (not having any good ways to meet women). We gain more from helping others than ignoring them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:37 PM
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I don't know precisely what the culture used to be like or what changed, but it used to be a LOT easier for guys to find women who were excited about them, and I refuse to believe this is because of the advancements of feminism, because feminist guys are the ones getting it the worst now. Like, I think right-wing blackpill content is very much to blame for everyone obsessing about height and blue eyes and Timothee Chalamet facial features and "rizz/aura/male manipulator energy". A lot of it is d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:24 PM
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Some guys here probably do, since this sub has a ton of extremely bitter sexist guys. But most guys just want dating to be like it was 10 years ago. Human nature hasn't fundamentally changed since then, but culture has. If it can get worse for cultural reasons then there should be a way to make it better through cultural effort. You don't even need to ban dating apps or undo any feminist progress. Just do for short/Asian/bisexual/shy-feminist men what the culture did for slightly-overweight girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:54 AM
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Ok. They ain't cheap, pay me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:57 AM
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The clubs got more expensive like everything else in the city, and parents started getting more concerned about curfew so the ones in rural areas died out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:51 AM
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Create a believable path towards being more physically attractive to women. However this is mostly men's job, young boys won't really believe the message unless it's coming from a strong man who gets bitches and lives the lifestyle. Women's standards don't have to change, they just need men to have a clear path to reach them. Currently, most shy feminist men are rejected for not being physically attractive, and then they're told "ugh we don't LIKE men who put in effort in their appearance, just …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:30 PM
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You don't think right wing guys being bitter at women informed the election at all? Even if the main concerns were immigration and the economy, the right-wing influencers saying "Trump will fix the economy" gained most of their popularity by appealing to single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:24 PM
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do you have a source for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:39 AM
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pretty sure low weight high reps is safer in that regard than low rep max powerlifters take way more precautions than bodybuilders and still suffer more injuries
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:35 AM
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This is an unavoidable part of life. Society can make it easier by praising instead of discouraging people who put in effort, but the only time in life where effort is immediately rewarded are artificial environments like school and video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:23 PM
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The issue is that it will take a long time before you see any improvement. But the improvement is huge. The delay between effort/struggle and results is the reason so many blackpill influencers convince men to give up and be bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:14 PM
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Shallow women definitely exist, but focusing on it as a general trait only serves to make men hate women more and make women defend shallow behavior more. It's really hard for a woman not to reflexively defend any bad people associate with women, when in the same thread there are people saying "...and that's why we should make casual sex illegal and remove all social supports that might benefit single women." If there was a sense of catharsis you'd get from people agreeing that height is a massi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:11 PM
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That's just common sense knowledge that everyone but the "blackpill" says. Redpillers' problem isn't telling you to go to the gym, it's telling you that every interaction should be a dominance struggle to impress women that secretly think like Jordan Peterson mixed with a high school bully. Get in shape and do everything you think is "cringe and gay" and I guarantee you'll get more pussy than someone who tries to act all stoic and joyless.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:36 PM
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I think even the most right wing men want to be desired to the point where it's not a "sacrifice" for someone, rather than wanting anyone to sacrifice themselves. They just have influencers telling them it's not possible to become desirable unless they're a rich douche.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:38 PM
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Did you really check every box of self improvement? How many friends do you have? What's your max 15 rep curl? What's your career path and how are you advancing your creative hobbies? Or did you suffer at something "redpillers" told you to do until you three in the towel and declared it all pointless?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:20 PM
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Cheating is certainly more common than dating violent criminals
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 11:07 AM
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Breast removal is like $5k and the only other things you need to look indistinguishable from the average guy is 5 or so years of Testosterone. Of course, then you'll still be shorter than average and have no penis. Surely women won't treat you miserably for those aspects, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 09:03 PM
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You can easily so do. FTM is way easier than MTF
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 08:55 PM
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Telling guys to subtly flirt over Discord when a girl they caught feelings for is probably the worst advice I've ever heard lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 06:05 PM
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it's even easier than plastic surgery, any man can be at least a 7 with enough work, proper diet, and supplements Granted there's things like height, face, and dick size that do matter somewhat but not as much as "blackpillers" say because they want men stressed out and giving up. And if you think this is all too hard and unnecessary, try looking like a femboy, even compared to bodybuilding it's way harder
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 06:00 PM
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didn't see your flair, but a woman with an incel's mindset is still gonna have a pretty bad time
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:23 PM
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You sound incredibly insecure that women don't like you. I suggest you look inward instead of blaming other men who work to improve themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:13 PM
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Why would being resentful of "Chads" who women like to be around make him a better or happier person? That just sounds like a one way ticket to inceldom, and people with that insecure mindset tend to treat women a lot worse Granted cheating/homewrecking is always bad, but we don't know if the friends intentionally hit on married women or if they just found out afterwards
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:11 PM
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I like reminding these people that the height of the old-timey gentleman archetype, the Southern plantation owners, cheated on their wives enough to make black Americans an entirely different color compared to Africans. If you've seen the contrast it's stark.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:46 AM
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It's definitely possible to do a lot of traditional things as a feminist, but someone who sees women as human beings is way less likely to strike up a conversation with someone he knows absolutely nothing about just because she's pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:22 PM
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I'd still assume there are attractive feminist guys who are single because they don't want to approach based on physical attraction. Currently the advice given to them is "stop giving a fuck what women think and go on the hunt", if women took more initiative they might stay feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:48 PM
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No, but feminist men who wouldn't complain no matter what women do, would start to get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:38 PM
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ah I'm not one of the guys saying "choose better (ie the pudgy anime nerd)". I just thought it would be really sad if someone thought that shit was normal and there was no way to avoid guys like that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 11:39 PM
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who tf thinks that? Of course lolicon isn't ok. That's a specific type of socially awkward guy, the "libertarian" anime gooner (the naming is a little outdated, they probably call themselves standard conservative or just "apolitical but anti-woke"). You can filter out these guys pretty easily if you find their social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:50 PM
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If I'm I'm love with a woman but I feel disgusted upon learning she's Jewish, even though nothing changed about her, is that not antisemitic?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:54 PM
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ragebait
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 05:01 PM
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ah gotcha that wasn't clear from what you wrote maybe I was arguing in my head against the guys who literally think women aren't physically attracted to men. Apologies for that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 04:22 PM
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Dominance has nothing to do with it. It's about whether you would be disgusted having sex with someone who isn't attracted to your body. Most people wouldn't, and the people who would, include rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 02:12 PM
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If it's surprising to you, you need to think about other people's perspectives. What kind of man would enjoy moral sex with a woman who does not lust after his body? The same type of man who would enjoy immoral sex with a woman who does not lust after his body. He might not do the immoral things, but he would be capable of enjoying them whereas someone with a visceral repulsion would not
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 01:42 PM
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I hate to tell you this but with this specific mindset you're always going to end up with men who are capable of enjoying rape. Most men are turned off by the idea of having sex with someone who does not find their physical body attractive in a deep and visceral way. The only ones who don't find that disgusting wouldn't find rape disgusting either - not that they would do it, they still have morals, but they don't have the same physical revulsion towards it that most men have
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 01:05 PM
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Isn't the risk a good reason for women to initiate with men they trust, rather than wait and be receptive to someone who is more likely to be abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 10:54 PM
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It's only hypocritical if women give the man a clear path towards becoming someone who sexually excites them, and he rejects it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:06 PM
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sounds like what a redpiller pretending to be a woman would say, in order to make men think women are shallow and there's no chance at improvement
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:45 PM
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I don't even think guys really obsess over age that much, it's just something said to make women humble in same the way they feel they are forced to be
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 03:33 PM
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well then the rest of your side is saying shit like this. You can't just ignore that or act like you're manly when you support that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 06:11 AM
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all the feminist guys arguing with you will never learn lmao women simply aren't attracted to passive behavior like waiting to ask men out, eating vegan, voting Dem, etc. They could man up and do what women want but they'd rather cry about how unfair traditional gender roles are than accept biological reality
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 06:01 AM
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That's certainly true for them, but it's also true for a ton of left-leaning guys, who tend to feel worse about taking up women's time or making them uncomfortable, making them less likely to be assertive overall
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:46 PM
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right, but OP seems to be the opposite of the redpill types who don't want women to be assertive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:43 PM
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what do conservatives have to do with this, unless you're only trying to date conservative guys or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:36 PM
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6 figures and 6 pack are definitely more achievable than having a pretty/handsome face, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:28 PM
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6 figures and 6 pack are definitely more achievable than having a pretty/handsome face, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:28 PM
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and this is why women won't really feel safe around you or consider you a good person: a lack of courage and assertiveness coupled with indifference towards suffering. Heroes don't start fights, but they can finish them. Luigi perfectly fits the "protector" archetype that even red-pill men agree is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:19 PM
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I mean, plenty of people who walk alone at night get home safely. Doesn't mean that people saying "don't fucking do this" (because they were hurt when they did it) are being mean for no reason
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:47 AM
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In this case it wasn't mean at all though, it was the equivalent of people saying "don't walk alone at night down this certain street". In other words, people who were hurt by the opposite gender because they did a certain action telling others not to do the same action
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:45 AM
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And if there was a post saying "most women are in an abusive relationship", it would be pretty ridiculous, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 04:40 PM
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You're probably in an online expo chamber of you think that's most men. I've never met a woman that cared
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 04:32 PM
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Man you really added a clickbait title to the reasonable idea of "date outside your hobby"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:50 PM
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and do you think the average well-meaning man cares more about what Tate says, or what he's heard women say? You're not equally as bad of a person as Tate, but you're far more of an influence in driving them towards the right. Not even out of spite, just in terms of what he thinks makes a man attractive vs. unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 10:17 PM
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Ragebait and low media literacy in general are civilization-level threats. Democracy and freedom can't survive if everyone's in life-or-death panic over things beyond their control.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 10:08 PM
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I mean. I absolutely agree that 90% of this anxiety comes from algorithms feeding young men ragebait, and the vast majority of women aren't cruel to men about things they can't control. But you once defended breaking up with bisexual men purely because they're bisexual, so people like you are just as much to blame for this as people like Tate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 09:58 PM
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Exactly. There are tons of men willing to pay pretty women to be mean to them and give them nothing except a few photos. The vast majority of men absolutely hate that, but there's enough simps to support the entire industry. Players are the flip side of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 07:10 PM
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This sub has a serious problem with people flashed blue spouting redpill/blackpill taking points. This is not what the average woman would say, this is literally just the redpill narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 11:51 AM
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It's not the sexual history you'll be judged for, it's not being good at oral/fingering. She'll be way more understanding about that if you say it's your first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:47 AM
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Well, then using porn in that way is the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 04:36 AM
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I'm in the same boat, but I'm honestly leaning towards marriage because of the tax benefits and the fact that with a prenup, the cheater loses everything These things should be standard for every serious relationship imo, but til then it is what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 04:21 AM
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People have this idea that if an attractive man acts excited towards a woman, her ego will inflate and she'll act cruel to him Personally if that was the case, I don't know why anyone would date women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 12:30 PM
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You're doing the exact same thing as extremist incels when they find comments online saying "men are scum" and decide "They Want Us Dead!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:48 PM
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Those guys aren't really serious, they're just trying to pressure media to be less woke and more gooner-friendly
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:44 PM
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Damn, that sounds ideal. Happy for you! I gotta get more into Tumblr shipfuel media... all the streaming services I know suck and I just pirate obscure old shows lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 05:14 PM
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again proving the point. Gender nonconformity to you is like some kind of STD that I must disclose or else I'm a rapist. And then people turn around and say that toxic masculinity is being pushed by men, not women. Like, yeah Andrew Tate is louder and more outspoken but you really think some scammer calling me weak is going to hurt more than your attitude towards femininity in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 05:06 PM
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Ah, interesting. How did you look for her? Were there signs she would be more accepting?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:58 PM
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You think I enjoy it? Give me ONE alternative. One place where non-biphobic women hang around and are looking for committed monogamous romantic relationships. Fetlife is way too sexual, all the dating apps specifically for submissive guys are only filled with escorts, and I've had friends tell me they were interested in me and lost interest when the two of us started volunteering for LGBT events.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:46 PM
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When? Up front, where you feel awkward and creepy saying things about your sexuality before you've even gotten to know them, or after you invested time, money, and effort into the situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:37 PM
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It's either that or loneliness. Or dating men, which I'm happy to do, but that just proves the point even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:33 PM
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I did. The thing that's forcing me into incompatible relationships is the fact that there is no way to find relationships that aren't incompatible. I would LOVE for you to prove me wrong and show me how.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:32 PM
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I wish I was more surprised to see someone calling themselves a "feminist" go from "I stand against toxic masculinity!" to "if someone finds out you're bisexual, you have coerced them into a relationship."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:30 PM
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How would you go around finding compatible women? Option 1: Say as soon as possible "By the way, I'm bisexual and I like pegging." How many women do you think would be weirded out by this? Option 2: wait until you've invested energy into a few dates to slowly drip-feed this info. Congrats, you are now 9 times more likely to have spent all the time and energy for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:27 PM
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yeah I know right? If only we didn't have to do this shit. I would love to tell women I'm bi and I occasionally mess around with gender, but women are 1000x more hostile to that than men are. Yes, they don't tend to say it out loud, but the VAST MAJORITY of women in super progressive areas wouldn't date a bi guy. There is no way to find women who don't have this preference, without being super up-front about sexual things, which lots of women find uncomfortable, and even if you find someone, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:15 PM
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I mean, the only point of data you posted is about lean muscle, which is possible for anyone to attain. How many female beauty standards are there that anyone can attain? "No fat chicks" sure, but then y'all want a fat ass and thick thighs. Men were gifted a criteria for beauty that's entirely within their control and they'd rather "blackpill" themselves and pretend it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:49 AM
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In this specific case, worrying about cheating if the only reason to suspect it is your own flaws, is not healthy or rational. In general, I absolutely agree that 1) looking for areas where you can improve is healthy, and telling men who are struggling to "stop being insecure" is EXTREMELY unhelpful, and also 2) if your partner is doing something specific that makes you feel unwanted, you should absolutely speak up, and you shouldn't be shamed. But worrying that your partner (who doesn't ignore …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 04:37 PM
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Rates of cheating are pretty much even between men and women though, with men cheating very slightly more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 03:46 PM
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It's clear you spend your time on the Internet reading dating advice for men, and not talking to real people. Self-improvement advice for women is EVERYWHERE even in elementary school. It's absolutely inescapable. If you were one of the girls that focused on horses or sports or just didn't get invited to go shopping and do makeup, you were an outsider.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 08:11 PM
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I think it's the opposite. A ton of 'straight' women are more attracted to women, but refuse to see themselves as lesbian ("everyone knows woman are more pretty, that's not gay"), and even if they do try it out, they want to be pampered by an assertive woman in the same way they'd be pampered by a man. They have no interest in taking initiative and pursuing women, so they think lesbian relationships just aren't for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 02:09 PM
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Usually people on Reddit who hate jocks are trying to paint themselves as kind, sensitive, smart, nerdy types It would be pretty humiliating to go "yeah, I'm not like those douchey jocks. Sure, I have the exact same attitude as them, but being sociable or in shape?"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:32 PM
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The difference is that women would rather be single than get fucked by someone who's repulsed by them and just trying to use them as a life milestone or a human sex toy. You can call that high standards, but it's not like ugly women are all just "holding out for Chad"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:21 PM
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This is the most Reddit comment ever No, hating "sportsball" does not make you intelligent or compassionate
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:11 PM
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The men complaining about "girlbosses" are either: 1) complaining about certain behaviors (being really arrogant and rude) that have nothing to do with whether a woman is successful, they just make fun of how a lot of these woman use their "girlboss" status as an excuse for being an asshole or 2) a certain group of traditionalists trying to make all women with careers look bad by associating them with these traits Group 2 might be very loud in certain online spaces, but they absolutely do not ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:55 AM
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Not unless you win the generic lottery. Sedentary overeating tends to make fat accumulate near your stomach, for thick thighs you need to have a calorie surplus (but not too much) and still be active.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 12:50 PM
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Yes, but this is not a supportive statement. Imagine if the majority of women started saying "hey, we don't really care about muscles or charisma, we really just care about height, bone structure, and factors beyond your control". This is the 'blackpill' that causes men to spiral towards suicide, but it's only shared by a small fraction of men trying to drag each other down, whereas women constantly hear "we don't really care about fashion, just how pretty your face is, how big/perky/symmetrical…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 12:45 PM
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I think a lot of men don't realize how EARLY it starts (mostly from other elementary school girls) and how bullying at that young age affects every aspect of your self-image. You can't have a conversation with anyone or even exist in public without constantly thinking "they see me as the ___ girl". Later in life people are much less overtly cruel, but the thoughts persist, and any bad interaction brings them crashing back. The focus should never be about attractiveness, and I also kinda hate how…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 03:35 AM
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I think the main issue is that you're backing yourself into a corner by allowing the conversation to go "we're not superficial, looks don't matter at all." Clearly they matter to some degree - hence why there's lots of attractive but douchey guys like Andrew Tate drowning in pussy, while everyone knows plenty of ugly but kind guys who are single. Admitting this, especially when it comes to the parts of someone's appearance that can be changed, does not make women superficial. Nobody can force a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:10 AM
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Does all advice have to be given with absolute beginners in mind? I thought dating was still difficult for men who have brought themselves up to a 6 or 7, in which case learning how to talk to women is the clear next step
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:45 PM
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Hookers: will go homeless or into poverty if they stop, likely hate doing it Johns: will go a bit longer without sex if they stop, do it because they want to Morons: "dOuBlE sTaNdArD!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:44 PM
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idk, ask Drake
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:39 PM
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People really need to start talking about lesbians as part of the loneliness epidemic. They're statistically more likely than straight men to feel lonely and not have a partner. I'm starting to believe that journalists do this "men vs women" thing when talking about loneliness, instead of talking about real solutions and spaces to meet people, because they want to keep the issue going so they get more clicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:30 PM
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The default should be whoever cheated gets 0%, man or woman. Same with hitting your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 03:02 PM
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So why did OP use blatant porn language to describe this, then? I can imagine that, after watching a ton of porn where a guy plays out an emasculation fantasy, it can be distressing to hear anything that could remind you of that. But that's a you problem, for jumping to the conclusion that the poem fantasies are real because you heard women say that men shouldn't bottle up emotions. You need to learn to engage with this without thinking about porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:54 AM
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“I prefer weak effeminate men who cry and are emotional”, “My husband is the greatest for letting me fuck other men and lock his penis in a little cage, he’s my soulmate” This is not something any woman ever says outside of porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:26 AM
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You seriously need to stop looking at porn. Women are not interested in these weird cuckold fantasies, that is something guys push on women 99% of the time. I had to look up these terms a few years ago when I first heard them online. You're right that you're living in a prison of women's opinions, but it's the opinions of women in the porn that you watch, not women in real life. Please get a hobby and make some friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:13 AM
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Long nails, and I'm proud of it. It's good to have one area of fashion that is purely about self-expression, not appealing to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:02 PM
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Agree with everything here except appearance. When zero men are present, women are still unbelievably cruel to each other over appearance, starting as young as elementary school, and this is getting much worse over time with social media. Nowadays, if you haven't mastered natural makeup by 12 (or won the generic lottery and have a perfect face) then you will encounter some amount of soft bullying or hurtful comments, either directed at you or someone who looks like you. There might be social pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 01:32 PM
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This is just a people thing in general The sooner one abandons the need for "authenticity" and embraces playing a sexy role, the better. The world needs more himbos and fewer sadboys who listen to Radiohead and feel sorry for themselves. Over time, whatever you do starts to become second nature anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 05:35 AM
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I doubt very many are openly making life choices because of a "movement", very few people do that, but there's no denying that a ton of women just aren't dating Korean men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 05:20 PM
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I'd like to remind everyone of Reddit Enhancement Suite, which lets you tag users with custom tags. I have a hunch that this person is going to hide his true beliefs and pretend he 'really, truly cares about women' and is just arguing against feminist ideas that 'make everyone unhappy'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 05:10 PM
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I mean, yeah, but if your goal is just to dunk on them, "they hurt people" is a way more compelling argument than "well technically according to my analysis they are a narcissist" which could be used against literally anyone If your goal was to analyze how you can prevent someone from becoming a redpiller, that's something psychology could be really useful for. You should probably try that instead
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:56 PM
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And you're fine with that? This thread is about double standard you're ok with
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:55 PM
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