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Women are socialized from birth to accommodate men's sexuality (whether wanted or not), and the prerogative is on men to realize when their behavior is inappropriate rather than on women to bend over backwards and enable such behavior. Men routinely violate boundaries that women set up, and nobody has a right to be desired or to be coddled in the belief that they are desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 04:27 PM
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The problem is that most of tRP isn't self improvement, despite how Terpers might describe it. Self improvement is a fig leaf to deflect against the (accurate) charge that tRP has always been about sexual strategy, and as we all know from the sidebar sexual strategy is amoral. In other words, tRP is all about the art of getting your dick wet. Old Terpers were fairly explicit about this. Here's a quote from the introduction on the sidebar: When women started becoming vocal about their opposition …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 04:56 AM
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I mean, Roosh very clearly falls into the same manosphere as the tRP guys. If you search him in the tRP search bar you get posts about his insights with hundreds of upvotes, and Roosh routinely gets big tRP figures to write guest op-eds and the like on Return of Kings. Roosh actually got his start with tRP, he was very much still an endorsed figure in the community when I was active. He split very publicly a few years ago, you can read about that on his blog here. So people aren't that far off w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 03:49 AM
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Honestly, not really. TRP encourages hitting on people nonstop, and odds are that if you adopt this approach eventually you'll get results. Combine that with some boilerplate advice about working on yourself and you have a pretty sure-fire path to sexual encounters that can stand alone without all the weird creepy shit that comes in the TRP. A good therapist or self-help book would give you 99% of the good advice you could get out of tRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 03:31 AM
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You mean like how women are against men's lockerroom talk? Also I've asked for your example of other spaces where men can speak freely without being judged by women. You didn't provide any. Please provide to defend your point Women are against "locker room talk" when "locker room talk" means "bragging about how you sexually assault women." Some of what I'm talking about happens right in front of women as well as men; a man came into my office last year loudly complaining about his wife because s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 06:06 PM
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I think the toxic parts of RP are pretty baked into the core message. The thesis statement to the RP worldview is the idea that men have been dealt an unfair hand when it comes to sex and dating, set up to fail by new expectations of how men and women are supposed to behave. The people who dealt them that unfair hand are women, who because of innate biological differences are unable to approach dating or even their own independence in a mature or responsible way. The Red Pill solution to this is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 05:41 PM
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Some me where... and where else besides TRP where it isn't being tone policed and have to be careful about not destroying the female worshipping/victimhood nariative? You live in an alternate reality if you actually think this happens. I hear guys I work with throwing around similar complaints about women all the time. Men who honestly think tRP is some sort of bastion of free thought speaking truth to power need to get out more. Is catcalling and sexualized music "talking about experience with …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 05:18 PM
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This is a really concise way to avoid thinking too hard about anything that contradicts your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 05:03 PM
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First of, I'd reply that the red pill is not "one of the only places" where men can talk about their experiences with sex and relationships. Nine times out of ten men and their perspectives on these topics are treated as more worthwhile and valuable than women's by default. Plenty of men feel incredibly comfortable voicing their own opinions about women and dating in general, occasionally to the point that it blurs the line between "conversation" and "harassment." Catcalling is evidence of just …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 03:13 PM
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It's cute how you think that a credible news source publishing information directly relevant to a politician's deeply held beliefs on hot-button issues and only gathered through legal, publicly available sources can be conflated to any random dick on the internet publishing personal content such as a person's address or nudes not to educate those who might be impacted by that person's institutional power but rather to punish, silence, or intimidate their target, even if in so doing they have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 02:20 AM
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Presumably, any subreddit devoted to rape strategy wouldn't be any good if that strategy involved getting caught. When I was into r/trp I constantly saw threads saying that women who were drunk, even to the point of blackout, couldn't say they were raped because in getting drunk they forfeited that right and should be held responsible for anything that happened even if they were taken advantage of. Now, some posters (especially in recent years) have made the distinction that you shouldn't have d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 01:17 AM
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that u/redpillschool is an alt for u/Pk_atheist and that Fisher lied when he said he had distanced himself from r/trp and disavowed some of the more extreme views shared on the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 12:32 AM
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The article pretty clearly says that he was talking in jest. And outside of r/trp redpillschool's vapid, tasteless argument doesn't pass muster. The problem with the methods y'all think are good topics to make light of is that they leave a lot of physical evidence; there are methods to coerce people into sex that don't involve such things and some (though not all) TRP members discuss and promote those methods on the subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 12:30 AM
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The most recent case did involve a minor, but earlier cases did not (and still were covered). And to my knowledge Weiner did not commit perjury. Are you disputing my basic point that politicians who never technically break laws still face scandal or are you nitpicking my example?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 12:26 AM
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He didn't??? He wasn't investigated by the state, he was investigated by a private media entity (namely The Daily Beast). Having your past scrutinized by the media is part of the territory when you occupy a position of power or authority in any country with a free press. Might as well ask why Anthony Weiner's scandal got coverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 11:37 PM
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To a red piller who agrees with most or all of his views, nothing. Voters who disagree with him might find this information interesting, however. I imagine there are still Republicans who would take issue with their elected representative calling women glorified children or arguing against enforcing rape law in cases between spouses. Given the way the party is heading it's an increasingly small number, but that's beside the point. Fisher has also lied at every stage of this investigation. He sai…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 11:27 PM
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Oh man, there are just too many resources and support networks for people who have been in abusive relationships /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 05:53 AM
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Regarding neglect: This finding is consistent with the fact that mothers tend to be the primary caregiver and are usually held accountable for ensuring the safety of children even in two-parent families. In light of societal views on gender roles, it has been argued that this may constitute unreasonable “mother blaming” The rest of catagories were overwhelmingly committed by men, with the exception of physical abuse (a finding which is at least disputed by the larger body of work on the subject)…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 06:33 AM
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Ok, so this is a lot longer than I intended. Again, this is a lot of stuff I needed to write after my time in TRP, so take it or leave it as you will. Those things you brought up are good points, and I'm not sure to what extent you will agree with or disagree with my answers to them, since we're on opposite sides of the whole red pill/blue pill thing. But, here's how I see some of these things: 1) The questions of whether society encourages poor mental health (I think it's pretty uncontroversial…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:34 AM
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Thank you so much for the kind words. I hope you find some way to find happiness too, whether that is hooking up with the woman of your dreams or by finding another source of fulfillment. Something I believe very strongly is that when we're unhappy or looking for meaning in life other people can only help us so much, and that the real change or knowledge we're looking for can only flow out of our own decisions and actions. To that end, I've done all I know how to do to get you to a better place …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 06:06 AM
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Dude, I'm happy to do it. I'm also at a place in my life where I'm just starting to get out of it all and looking back on the last three years of my life and struggling to make sense of them; what I can take away from them, and what I need to leave behind. I needed to write something like that for me as well. As far as the other thing goes, the sort of women you describe (personality-wise, not physically) is exactly the sort most likely to cheat on you... I am not a fan of AWALT as a concept, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 05:16 AM
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Dude, I can relate to what you're going through right now so much it's scary. I don't know what you're going through because you are the only one who has been through it, but I feel as if I might have been in a similar place before. PLEASE read my other comment and think seriously about it. No one should ever be in a place where they hate themselves, especially over things they can't control.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 05:05 AM
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That last paragraph is where the problem lies. You've set a goal for yourself to be happy again. This sort of thinking is classic in cases of major depression and social anxiety (which often occur together, as in my case). I don't know if you even noticed, but it redirects the blame for your unhappiness away from the very real negative changes in your mental state you've noticed and back towards your own failings. What this sort of mentality says, if you look at it hard enough, is that your unha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 04:47 AM
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Honestly, get help. The sort of distorted thinking you are employing here is classic anxiety/depression (could be either from what you've said thus far). First off, the idea that "women will never want me" is a self-limiting perception that isn't true. TRP vastly overestimates the difficulty of getting laid or finding love as a guy, because it confirms the prospective terper's (linked) perceptions of himself as a victim and sex as an unattainable goal through any avenue except TRP. Secondly, rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 04:17 AM
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Trust me, feminists are very much aware of the way in which women were treated in various periods of history, good and bad. The literature I've read describes these so-called female privileges as the "burden of low expectations": women weren't expected to do certain things because it was assumed they couldn't, and in the face of the pervasive barriers put in their face (lack of education, socialization towards housework and traditional gender roles, economic dependence on men), they had no oppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 02:32 PM
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You're missing my point. Monogamy is a social contract that you'll remain exclusive with your partner. If you can't fulfill a contract, don't enter it. No one is forcing you into a relationship, so you can't be upset that when you enter into one you are held accountable to the standards it comes with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/15 03:06 AM
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They can always choose to be single, whether or not monogamy is an easier arrangement to enter into than polygamy once it's entered you can't break it and then expect not to be judged for your actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 09:47 PM
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...Not really? It's confirmation bias at best. You've started with a preconceived idea that women are selfish or slutty or whatever else you believe about them, and look for evidence to support that conclusion, finding one piece of evidence to support in the same time it takes you to ignore or misinterpret two pieces that don't. RPers don't look to reality and find examples with which they build a conclusion, they start with the conclusion and look for the evidence to support it. It makes for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 04:01 PM
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If our approach isn't reality-based, why's it work for us? All you red-pill guys will talk until you are (ironically) blue in the face about how the red pill is for guys who want to face up to the "harsh truths" of the dating world, but I seem to be doing just fine in spite of thinking the whole ideology is a steaming pile of hooey. RP guys are, by definition, a self-selected population who all share or at least shared in common an inability to get what they want out of interactions with women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/15 03:51 AM
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I realize this is late (I've been working a very demanding schedule), but you can't take your experiences and from those generalize that all men everywhere are getting bad dating advice from teh womenz. It should be common sense that if you're doing badly with women, you do things that make you more attractive. Full stop. The vast majority of men realize that at some point in their lives, and you guys are (for whatever reason) the outliers. Also, I think if so many guys do come away with this pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 05:02 PM
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Ok, let me put this another way. Why should I give a shit about TRP? (Also, like I said, therapy is the antithesis of TRP, but that's another rant). I'm living an incredibly meaningful and enjoyable life right now. I'm doing the work I've always wanted to do in life (social work for disabled children), I'm not in any trouble finding a date, and I've surrounded myself with a great group of friends who are helping me fight off my most recent bout of depression. I've done all of this (ironically en…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 03:43 AM
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LMAO, this is the funniest thing I've read this week. Refer to previous comment. I haven't internalized the pill in my life, I've been lucky enough and smart enough to realize that you can have a fulfilling, happy life WITHOUT the pill, and gone on to do just that. But I'm sure that from your perspective, it's easier to see me as someone who just secretly, desperately wants to be like you guys instead of someone entirely outside of your philosophy. Keep on believing that anyone who has improved …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 12:51 AM
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Laughably untrue. Psychological study after study (not evolutionary psychology, the branch of the discipline with almost no useful or seemingly accurate models to recommend it) show that different people have an easier or harder time identifying with certain people based on the social or biological groups in which they belong. We can measure these varying degrees of empathy in a variety of ways, from reaction time to MRI. Calling something a myth isn't enough to make it not true, I'm afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 11:23 PM
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This notion that exercising more and pursuing interests is an unheard-of RP breakthrough is exactly the issue I'm taking aim at. It's as if the creator of the Dyson vacuum acted like hot shit and went around telling anyone who would listen that he invented the wheel. Tons of people give the exact same advice, sans the casual misogyny and laughably poor science. It's also a little disingenuous to portray my experiences as inherently RP when most TRPers I've talked to are vehemently anti-therapy, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 11:19 PM
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My problem is that RPers assume that RP is the only way to change. Your rhetoric betrays that very sentiment: you say that these men have tried the "alternative non-redpill way" before, as if self-improvement and dating technique are split into a binary RP/not-RP. Honestly, this is such a delusion of grandeur on the part of RPers that I have to laugh. News flash: the world is full of different dating and self-help methods, and yours is just one (a small and ultimately insignificant one) among ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 09:20 PM
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And this, I think, is the problem with TRP. Bandwagoning onto it is borne out of an insecurity or fear of rejection, but much of the advice it gives is decent. If you work out more, pursue your interests more fully, ask girls out more, etc, you WILL have more success with women. The part I don't see eye-to-eye with RP on is all the shitty beliefs that come with these behaviors. I've done all of these things at some point in my life to get out of depression or improve my attractiveness WITHOUT ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 02:57 PM
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I'm so sorry for what you've been through. I know what you mean when you say that a lot of the advice for guys when it comes to dating seems misplaced. For what it's worth, I had a similar experience when I was younger, and the red pill seemed pretty palatable to me, but it turned out I was just suffering from depression and GAD. With some therapy, changes in lifestyle, and mindful meditation things turned around for me, both in terms of mood and in terms of success with women. I honestly don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 04:14 PM
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OPs husband seems pretty nice. Nowhere does he say that he "thinks all stupid guys are virgins", as you seem to think he does. That opinion isn't in OP's post, it's in your head. Also, nothing he does makes me think he's especially dumb. At worst he has a propensity for watching action movies. I'm sorry that BP hasn't been supportive of you thus far, but to reiterate, it's not a space built intentionally with virgin men's self-esteem in mind. Those places dedicated to virgin men do exist, I've b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 08:36 PM
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Listen, when I first joined the BP I WAS the sexually inexperienced young man with anxiety and depression. No one thought less of me, because I didn't think less of anybody else. That's the cogent point here. I'm not going to mock RPers for being virgins, I'm going to mock them for buying into this dogma that they believe will give them insight into the female mind when their theories are so transparently wrong. And reading the thread you posted, I don't see anything different going on. In the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:56 PM
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I don't think blue pill hates sexually inexperienced men per se, they hate sexually inexperienced men who are myopic enough to take their experiences with women and extrapolate from that the whole of one gender's behavior. posts like https://archive.is/gGtPP#selection-1899.138-1899.221 this drive home the attitudes I'm talking about. This guy is 18, tops, and he's decided that based on his very little life experience with women that he's comfortable taking up an mindset that makes it difficult f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 06:44 PM
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I know this is old, but I want to clarify what exactly the red pill IS and how it works so you can help him see through it. Contained within the red pill is a seed of very good advice for improving yourself and improving your mood that's linked with a whole toxic ideology that centers around degrading and disrespecting women. The reason it's so effective is that when a person is emotionally vulnerable (depressed, low self esteem, what have you) they want to believe that the situation they're in …
/r/ExRedPill18/05/15 01:35 AM
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