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I was surprised that there were a lot of guys going down that path. Also, women, too, in a way. First time I heard of "alpha wolf", it was from a woman. First time I heard someone use "beta", it was a woman.
/r/ExRedPill21/07/26 02:03 AM
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I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. I think a big part of the RP is reading these studies and then extrapolating them to the rest of life, way too often. They catastrophize it.
/r/ExRedPill20/07/26 11:37 PM
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The RP idea is that men are victims. This has appeal to men who feel they aren't measuring up to social standards. They are being told it's a systemic issue that's not their fault, but they can overcome it by out-competing other men. Also, the RP ideas are mainstream, or the old mainstream. They're a more extreme version of the regular patriarchy. So getting aligned to it isn't exactly difficult.
/r/ExRedPill20/07/26 11:33 PM
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Another Gen-X here. I'm just dismayed. I thought were were on the path toward ending sexism, and reducing homophobia (at least), so these setbacks are wild to me. I get the appeal of the redpill, because I'm a socially awkward loser type, but they also seem to hate me in the comments. In real life, though, I am a magnet for incels looking for sympathy.
/r/ExRedPill20/07/26 11:16 PM
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People are looking to pair up and form an organization. There isn't really that much being exchanged. Even a FWB relationship is a kind of team effort. Dating can have aspects of exchange, but it mostly shouldn't. It's about shared interests and goals, ideally, but it usually doesn't work that way. Exchange might be more relevant to something like purchasing services from a prostitute.
/r/ExRedPill04/04/26 06:34 AM
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I didn't think these were sweeping generalizations. We didn't say everyone was like this or that. I raised the thing about mania because I know someone like that.
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 11:26 PM
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I think there's a range of experiences, and people vary.
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 03:35 AM
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It's easier if you don't have a job. You have more time. You also have more time to work out. Also, as a loser, you aren't relationship material. You're only good for "fun" and maybe doing errands and chores for them. You're kind of interviewing to be a human sex toy.
/r/ExRedPill20/03/26 08:04 AM
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I haven't seen much redpill content, but it seems to be basic lifting to get a little buff, fit, conventional bro haircut, masculine sporty clothing, which sends out the "I am here for sex" signal. I think you have to look average or better tho. I'm below average, so what i used was social networking before that existed. Basically, women talk about the sex they have, and probably informed their friend that I was open to casual sex. So i'd get a message asking to go out. (Apparently, I was good a…
/r/ExRedPill20/03/26 08:02 AM
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Thx for the articles. Some people have a mental health problem, and they become hypersexual when they're having mania.
/r/ExRedPill20/03/26 07:42 AM
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Women hate misogynists, but the guys lie, and the women don't notice. Maybe they have their own problems that gets them attracted to these guys. Also, some women just want casual sex, and it's just a matter of finding them. Some are on dating apps. Also, I just looked up this guy. He's a tall Black guy. In America, a small fraction of women have a racist sexual fetish for Black men who fit a certain look. So he may have been sexually fetishized, and "used" - though he was probably willing. (Raci…
/r/ExRedPill20/03/26 07:36 AM
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I suspect most of their hookups are through things like dating apps.
/r/ExRedPill20/03/26 07:20 AM
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Negging is abusive.
/r/ExRedPill20/03/26 07:19 AM
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I'm socially awkward and interested in the social sciences. It's a way to understand the world, which might not otherwise make sense to me. I'm also not right wing or rp. I'm self-identified left wing, pretty liberal, and dorky.
/r/ExRedPill06/01/26 08:04 AM
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Yeah, what happened? When I was young, we didn't have elaborate stereotypes about South Asian people. Some of them dated out, but it seemed like most were dating other South Asians.
/r/ExRedPill25/12/25 11:32 AM
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Misogynist incels like some weird ideas about the social order. They take the normative order (which I hate) and then go super strict with it, and use it as a framework for analysis. They're not just sexist and misogynist, they also buy into the redpill ideas about "high value", and so it's natural they would also be into the racial hierarchy.
/r/ExRedPill25/12/25 11:30 AM
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Asian guy here. I didn't even understand how people had those stereotypes. I grew up in a very Mexican and pan-Asian community in LA, and a common family pattern was a hardass or serious wife and a friendly dad. It seemed like guys liked it, too. Shit gets taken care of. The main issue, I think, is that it's hard for women to divorce, because the guy is the breadwinner. The guys sometimes find it easier to cheat, or develop "hanging out" habits. Nowadays, I think people are more equal.
/r/ExRedPill27/10/25 05:34 PM
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That's capitalism and the patriarchy.
/r/ExRedPill26/10/25 07:52 PM
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Sheesh. Is the guy some kind of sweet talker?
/r/ExRedPill24/10/25 06:22 AM
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I went down the rp rabbit hole for a month, and it killed my libido. Unintentionally went nofap a couple days. I didn't even believe what I was reading. It's just that the whole logic about looks, muscles, money is depressing. I was looking at an Asian variant, which is less about dating and more about racism, but some people are bp against women.
/r/ExRedPill23/10/25 04:45 PM
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This is absolutely true. It's the patriarchy in operation. It's why rich men get away with having a mistress, while poor men get blamed for society's problems if they cheat. (Look at my language! Even it is patriarchal classism: rich men "keep a mistress" while poor men "cheat".) Patriarchy is even the basis for some "misandrist" ideas, like "men are all cheats."
/r/ExRedPill22/10/25 08:50 PM
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Yeah, 99% of people have sex, eventually. If they are in that 1%, and are BP, they should get some help.
/r/ExRedPill21/10/25 10:35 PM
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I have the neurodivergent love magnet. GHAAAAD I crush hard on the rambling monologuers. I just hope they aren't actually something else more troubled.
/r/ExRedPill21/10/25 10:33 PM
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You are desirable, lovable, and worthy, even if you are poor.
/r/ExRedPill21/10/25 10:19 PM
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The entry point for redpills is lonliness and needing a clue. Someone who will listen and take their issues seriously will help. The redpill gets dangerous when it gets into anti-feminism and misogyny. Personally, I dodged the redpill, partly, by reading feminism and lesbian feminist zines. That helped fix my mindset. That made me more able to have relationships. ---- There's also another way people "redpill". It' that they have some existing anger toward women. They glom onto the misogynist par…
/r/ExRedPill21/10/25 10:16 PM
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Also, some rebuttals: Women get mad and sulky a lot and are generally emotionally unstable. Some do. Just take this as a signal that they aren't interested. They're getting mad. Maybe they're in a bad mood. The redpill seems designed to get men to feel bad. So she might be reflecting some of that energy back. It's like two angry people vibing together, but they won't realize it and think it's the others' fault - which is better than vibing and falling in love with their worst selves. Women never…
/r/ExRedPill20/10/25 07:16 AM
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OK, I didn't exactly fall into the redpill, but I did read a lot, pretty constantly, daily, for a month, and it threw me into a mild depressive state, and got very self-absorbed. It manifestes not listening to women, and I pissed off friends/alienated them. I was also reading social science research about the same topics. (This was all Asian American stuff, not general white redpill. It's different.) Even if you don't believe it, you can internalize some of the ideas and some of the logic, just …
/r/ExRedPill20/10/25 07:01 AM
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I think there's always a mix between biology and social influences, but as an Asian American guy, I definitely lean toward thinking attraction is socially constructed, heavily. If you look at the AA groups, that's the general sentiment, going as far as saying Hollywood is running a conspiracy against us. I tend toward the theory that the social construction of Asian guys being less desirable is mainly about US imperialism in Asia, and Western imperialism generally. There's also the particular th…
/r/ExRedPill16/10/25 07:40 PM
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It's both. The economy is a social construction. We have money, jobs, ownership, credit, etc. So it's transparently constructed, and people won't really argue against that. They won't believe that money is a force of nature, or a ghost, or some bodily function. If I said I shit coins and money grows on trees, nobody would take me seriously. "Social construction" says that things we think are natural are actually made up by society.
/r/ExRedPill16/10/25 04:56 PM
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Well, we have good reason to fear things being called "natural" or classified as evolutionary. There's an entire period of history when eugenics was a respected science, to the detriment of society. It's an entirely rational line of thought, to fear the return of eugenics. I'm still trying to disabuse people of the idea that people are "mixed blood", or that race determines personality. That I have to do this for people who are decades younger than I am, disturbs me.
/r/ExRedPill12/10/25 07:18 PM
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Even this conflict has roots going back to Darwin's theories of competition, and Kropotkin's ideas in Mutual Aid about cooperation. The idea of "survival of the fittest" was created by Herbert Spencer, prior to Darwin's Origin of Species, and it was a kind of biological argument for social competition. (Spencer was also a sociologist.) This eventually came to be called "Social Darwinism", despite the fact it's Spencer's ideas. Social Darwinism is, today, considered a pseudoscience. So Darwin's r…
/r/ExRedPill11/10/25 05:04 PM
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EP seems to have a couple problems: It reminds people of the pseudoscience of race. Race pseudoscience was scientific jargon and theories used to justify racist laws and customs, when the source of the racism was the laws and customs themselves, and they were motivated by economic needs for labor. It conflicts with the idea of social construction. "Race is a social construct" means that things like laws created race. "Gender is a social construct" means the same, that culture and laws create gen…
/r/ExRedPill11/10/25 04:45 PM
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I think EP is also used to encourage pessimism. Same thing as what you said, basically, but I think the redpill is pessimistic, because it basically says there will be lots of losers, and a few winners, in the dating/mating game... when real world evidence shows otherwise.
/r/ExRedPill11/10/25 04:21 PM
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I recently became more misogynistic because I was reading Asian redpill subreddits and some comment threads that had a lot of that kind of discussion, and some ricecel posts. I usually avoid it, but I was trying to build arguments against some redpill fallacies. For, me, just reading it causes me to internalize some of the misogyny, and behave accordingly, like a thin-skinned guy who feels like a victim. What I'm doing to climb out of this is listen to an audiobook of The Courage to Change, by b…
/r/ExRedPill01/10/25 09:37 AM
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I'm dropping in late here, but there are different studies about this. I was talking with an incel/redpill who is fixated on height, not only for dating, but for employment. I have been on an empiricism kick, and looked for articles, the scientific kind, and skimmed through them with him. The AI extracted some numbers from this blog post, and reported it as fact! ICK UGH GRRRRR. The post is a critique of a stats paper, so the numbers the AI extracted are suspect, from the start. :) https://statm…
/r/ExRedPill13/08/25 11:03 PM
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Money. An escape from poverty. Also, POC also do passport, with the intention to get married and bring a wife over. So they have somewhat local aesthetics - being brown mainly - and also having money, and can get them a green card. Some POC, especially Black and Asian guys, have their reasons.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/25 06:05 PM
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Not to get too rice-pill, but everyone says the odds are better in Asia, which makes total sense.
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 06:49 AM
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That's funny. I like white women okay. It's not that hard to find someone to date in their 50s. The only issue is that some really don't like men, or have high standards, etc. just like that guy. And guess what? They're also not dating anyone.
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 06:44 AM
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A woman there might want to move to another country and get a "green card" through marriage.
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 06:41 AM
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So many people meet through apps, though. There's also things like social media. Some people date through that, mainly through things like comments or "sliding into DMs". There's also going to social events via flyers for events on IG, Facebook, and maybe some niche sites.
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 06:03 AM
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OKC had big profiles and they used to be searchable. No longer :(. You can use IG and TikTok to showcase your personality. I've met people through both.
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 05:22 AM
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Yay Limerent2024. That was amazing work disproving the 80/20.
/r/ExRedPill24/07/25 07:24 AM
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Oh damn. I didn't really think of the weight issue. Is that why women have so much anxiety about weight? Most of the guys I know don't care that much about weight. Some do, though - and these guys... some are incels.
/r/ExRedPill14/07/25 11:02 PM
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It's all about fear! (The left can be that, as well. We must develop optimism, and a moral sense, so the optimism doesn't become destructive.)
/r/ExRedPill14/07/25 10:10 PM
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Ah. Using "women's rights" to criticize Islam, and support an anti-Islamic sentiment, which basically feeds western Imperialism? Or not doing that? I don't really understand the situation in Europe too well, because anti-Islamic attitude in the US is different, and seems to interact with anti-Black racism in different ways. I also don't understand the racism against Poles in the UK. I know it exists, but in the US, all whites basically get an automatic boost for being white.
/r/ExRedPill14/07/25 10:00 PM
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I think you have to at least acknowledge his issues. They're real. That's what redpillers do. The problem is, once the guy trusts the redpiller, they're open to other ideas, some of which are misogynist. So they go, yes, some of your problems are related to height, looks, shyness/anxiety, depression, pain, race, etc. Those are real things. They do have a negative influence on dating, employment, getting respect, finding friends. So those things should be acknowledged. The redpillers then give so…
/r/ExRedPill14/07/25 09:47 PM
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I'm curious about what contradictions you saw on the Left.
/r/ExRedPill13/07/25 05:26 AM
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I think men have social support, but it's not necessarily of the same character as what women do for each other. We're uptight. That leads some guys to seek help and community online, where they can feel more free to get into details, and also complain about women. Because we have such an advanced level of misogyny in this culture, a lot of the ideas we hold about women are bad, and the ideas men have for revenge are thoroughly abhorrent. You get a peek into that in the online spaces. Also, thes…
/r/ExRedPill13/07/25 05:22 AM
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I really liked it. I liked how it touched on a lot of dark things, like suicide, but kept the overall message optimistic. I also thought it was funny how he had his friend group of redpill and incel buddies. Things haven't changed that much.
/r/ExRedPill11/07/25 11:26 PM
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I don't think it's deterministic, but I also don't think it's random either.
/r/ExRedPill10/07/25 10:06 AM
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The CDC says around 1/3 of people have experienced intimate partner violence, and 1/3 have experienced psychological abuse of some kind from a partner. https://www.cdc.gov/intimate-partner-violence/about/index.html People look for the wrong qualities at the outset. Some want someone who appeals to others. Some want excitement. Some fall for love bombing, or perpetuate love bombing, because they think that's the way to fall in love -- and it is. Some people prioritize first impressions. Some prio…
/r/ExRedPill09/07/25 09:44 PM
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OK, I have some sad facts, but a lot of people are into jerks. I'm a guy into women who have issues like narcissism, and I've had to realize that, and work on it. At least two of these women have been in totally stupid or even harmful relationships. Part of me thought, maybe I'd be more attractive to these crushes if I were a heavier drinker, with a "bossy" job, and said insulting things to my dates, along with the kind and empathetic things. The rational part of me saw how stupid that was. LOLz…
/r/ExRedPill09/07/25 04:08 AM
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Arrogant assholes attract people with issues.
/r/ExRedPill08/07/25 09:16 AM
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I think a lot of the redpill is about putting voice to the general misogyny in society, and elevating it. The redpill includes a rejection of a basic liberal idea, that we should be equal in status, socially equal, and seek to always expand this equality. They don't say it, but it undergirds a lot of the thought process. They turn the "less likely phenomenon" into an "unlikely phenomeon" and then into an impossibility. I've been thinking about the effect of reading and watching videos on our tho…
/r/ExRedPill29/06/25 09:21 AM
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I think he's pissed about something, and wants to end the relationship. The redpill is a vehicle that drives guys to develop their misogyny and racism.
/r/ExRedPill29/06/25 09:03 AM
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Yes. it sucks. You can get a glow up from a salon, or not. Work on your personality. Learn what you really want, and then learn how to express it. This is not easy, but it makes things easier. Learn about yourself. That's important in finding a partner.
/r/ExRedPill29/06/25 08:56 AM
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Sexuality is "something women have and men want."??? That is absurd. It's something both have and want, and are just looking for a good match they find attractive, to them, and are likeable and nice to each other. We all want someone to care about us, and to care for us. It takes work to find, but it's not that much work.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/25 10:52 AM
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OMG, I just barely understand what you did, but that's so slick. What a cool technique and proof! May the light of reason scare away the vampires of pseudoscience, Limerent2024.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/25 10:20 AM
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Amazing
/r/ExRedPill26/05/25 04:25 AM
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I think it's possible that they're either completely alone - meaning no friends - or are hanging out with other incel/redpill type people. I have known a few people who are like incels, or have trouble dating, and I have sympathy, even empathy, with incels and redpillers. If you told me "10% of men are like them", I'd consider that a possibility, even though the actual number is probably lower. These perceptions are possible, if you are in some unusual circumstances.
/r/ExRedPill25/05/25 09:37 PM
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The "chad" and "stacy" are kind of insignificant, too. This is a study about how many partners with whom they've had sex: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5795598/ Basically, people have sex with 1 to 4 partners per year, and the number declines with age. Women have fewer partners than men. Half of women have 2-9 partners over a lifetime (the study ended at 44 years old). Half of men have 5-40 partners in a lifetime.
/r/ExRedPill25/05/25 09:27 PM
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Incels are oppressed by the patriarchy, and the white couple are a reminder of the patriarchy. Patriarchy is racialized, and only white men are considered normal. Asians are considered less masculine and undeserving of love. Black people are considered hyper masculine, and considered undeserving of a long term relationship. Indigenous people are considered like both, and primitives, separate from civilization. How angry can you be at person experiencing gendered racism? They aren't oppressing wh…
/r/ExRedPill22/05/25 05:59 PM
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Maybe its a similar logic to why polygamy existed in some cultures. It's a way to say someone has social capital of some kind.
/r/ExRedPill22/05/25 05:42 PM
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I found the movie on Archive.
/r/ExRedPill04/04/25 07:59 PM
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https://archive.org/details/marty.-1955.1080p.-blu-ray.x-264-si-nners
/r/ExRedPill04/04/25 06:50 AM
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