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| 1 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?How is starting from a point of equal custody in divorce bad? If both parents are fit There it is. Stop right there. That's all that's happening. This bill was STARTING the family court at 50/50, meaning extrenuating circumstances where a judge can intervene and make it 100/0 were shut down now, and had to get to a specific stage in the court case to discover if someone can or cannot do this. That's it. Shared parenting, when both parents are fit, has by far, the best outcome for kids, and almos… | /r/MensRights | 18/01/18 12:12 AM |
| 1 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Whew. Your reference was AVFM. This is going to be good... :D In 1986 newspapers reported that Noreen Connell, President of the New York State chapter of the NOW as opposing shared parenting. So one of your sources is something that feminists 31 years ago were doing. I freely admit that 2nd wave radical feminism had its issues. Hence why I'm leaning more toward 3rd wave ideas, because I reject those issues, and embrace intersectionalism. That being said... NOW was opposing legislation that would… | /r/MensRights | 17/01/18 09:17 PM |
| 1 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Sorry I didn't get around to this one. I was being bombarded by more replies than I could reply to because my karmascore here is in the negative as a result of people downvoting me for disagreeing with me. It is what it is. I lost track of all the things to reply to. Why does NOW, the national organization of women, who happens to be the largest feminist group in the world with billions in lobby power, hold the position that women should automatically be given custody in divorce, even when both … | /r/MensRights | 17/01/18 08:38 PM |
| 0 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Is "Feminists are like religious and stuff man!" a point though? It's not really fair that I have to respond to that with something well thought-out and argued, while they are going to keep lazily saying it over and over again. I'd rather just dismiss the statement with no evidence or argument backing it. It's just blabbering on with rhetorical talking points. Feminists BELIEVE in patriarchy theory! That's like religion! blah blah blah | /r/MensRights | 17/01/18 12:10 AM |
| -2 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Actually, what this tells me is that women's right get brought up to the level of men's rights when they have less. The correct way to think about it is where they have less rights. It also tells me nothing about bringing up men's rights to the level of women's when they have less. For Example, women graduate college at significant rates more than men. But men graduate from STEM more than women. So we have a giant push for women in STEM. We have scholarships for STEM programs for women. We have … | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 08:25 PM |
| -1 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Therefore we label everything good "female". And everything bad "male". Do you have an example of any prominent feminist figure or any philosophy paper arguing that we should be doing this? | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 08:15 PM |
| 1 | The recent #metoo case (Aziz Ansari) and the reactions to it proves that the average woman can't presume to be safe in the private company of a male.What kind of fallacy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/18 08:07 PM |
| 2 | The recent #metoo case (Aziz Ansari) and the reactions to it proves that the average woman can't presume to be safe in the private company of a male.Good thing our laws don't prescribe our morality for us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/18 07:50 PM |
| 1 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Yeah and my point was that the statistics you cited were wrong and they conflate what is actually rape with instances that aren't rape. I already accounted for that. I said, okay 1/11 women were raped accounting for that according to the source YOU trusted. What's the rate compared to men then? Because my original point was that men are raped much more frequently than men. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 07:13 PM |
| 0 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?well it's needed you can not counter a movement that's both as large and toxic, as modern feminism, without counter protesting, without forcing your voice in there... Why do you have to counter feminism. I guess I'm not understanding, if you say that the draft should be abolished because it is discriminating against men... Sweet. I don't think most feminists would have a problem with that. If you say you should abolish the draft because it discriminates against men, also feminism is wrong, also … | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 07:03 PM |
| -2 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?I don't agree they do it at every chance. They seem to protest only the men's rights groups who focus all their efforts on active anti-feminism and spreading anti-feminist rhetoric. I didn't really see opposition to people just opposing the inequality of the draft, with no anti-feminist baggage. Do you have examples of this kind of thing specifically? The one you cited, the U of T protest was in response to a group that was backed by A Voice For Men (a clearly anti-feminist group that spends lit… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 06:40 PM |
| 0 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?It is about that. Scroll up and that's originally what I said, that women are disproportionately raped more frequently than me. Your response was "lol that college study is wrong, the 1 in 4 included all kinds of things i don't consider rape bro". To which I pointed out... is a non-sequitur of a response and I cited where I got my statistics. Your response to that was "bro those statistics are old, look at this instead.", which you cited something that said 1 in 11 women were raped by a certain … | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 06:29 PM |
| 1 | The recent #metoo case (Aziz Ansari) and the reactions to it proves that the average woman can't presume to be safe in the private company of a male.I honestly don't get it. I'm a dude, if any of these uncomfortable moments happened, I would ask for clarification or stop pursuing her. Aziz showed no care whatsoever to what his partner may want and was just interested in using her. He was manipulative, pushy, and aggressive. I don't know what all these people are smoking. This isn't an okay thing to do in a sexual encounter, his behavior was fucking messed up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/18 06:28 PM |
| -2 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Then you have a misunderstanding about the history of academic feminist philosophy, the philosophy papers that have been done on the subject for decades, the social sciences work, etc... You are just ignorant about it or you don't know how to understand it. And that's okay. You are probably better than me at most things, I just happen to read papers a lot for fun and get involved in arguments while I'm bored at my job, for the past 12 years or so. You can probably work on a car better than me, o… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 06:14 PM |
| -2 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Even still, the majority of feminists do have specific beliefs about what equality means for women or why inequality happens to women or simply the belief that women are and always have been unequal in society. Name me a handful of feminists that don't believe in patriarchy theory. You seem to be using belief in a pejorative sense. This suggests a misunderstanding about the definition of belief, in regards to epistemology. Are you saying you have no beliefs as to what equality is or how to achie… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 06:04 PM |
| -1 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?You can find a feminist saying anything though. It's such a diverse group of people That's not the impression I get from yours and other people's comments. You seem to be suggesting it's a religious dogma with a strict set of ideals and a hivemind at work. Also I don't think most reasonable people - at least outside of MGM hotspots - think a ritualistic pinprick of the labia is "truly abhorrent" in a way that ripping the fused foreskin from the glans of a boy's penis before slicing it off is not… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 05:53 PM |
| -4 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?LOL! You are merely pointing out that feminism has a complex dogma and doctrine, nothing more. You could say exactly the same about Scientology, for example. Conflating religious decree with academic work in philosophy, social science research, and scientific research in the hard sciences... Makes me question the sincerity of your position. You don't seem to really care about what's true. Do you honestly believe philosophers just assert things all day without evidence or logical argument the way… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 05:41 PM |
| 0 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Even on the strictest possible definition for sexual assault 1-11 women have been violently raped Versus how many men? The analysis from the /r/neoliberal post you are referring to doesn't really answer the question. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 05:30 PM |
| 3 | How is the Aziz Ansari story any different from slutshaming?She says that it was consensual but since she regretted it it's sexual assault. She didn't say that. Grace says her friends helped her grapple with the aftermath of her night with Ansari. “It took a really long time for me to validate this as sexual assault,” she told us. “I was debating if this was an awkward sexual experience or sexual assault. And that’s why I confronted so many of my friends and listened to what they had to say, because I wanted validation that it was actually bad.” She's ac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/18 04:57 PM |
| 4 | How is the Aziz Ansari story any different from slutshaming?That's not an accurate characterization of the story. https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355 You should read the story again, without thinking about rhetoricized interpretations in the media on it. Ansari also physically pulled her hand towards his penis multiple times throughout the night, from the time he first kissed her on the countertop onward. “He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. “He really kept doing it after I moved it away.” But the main thing wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/18 04:54 PM |
| 2 | Does dread game work on men?Only very recently it's about 50/50 now on gender disparity in infidelity. Any study prior to 2013 showed a gap that suggested men cheated more. But the times are a-changing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/18 04:47 PM |
| 1 | The recent #metoo case (Aziz Ansari) and the reactions to it proves that the average woman can't presume to be safe in the private company of a male.lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/18 04:44 PM |
| 0 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?I didn't realize 7 years would have changed an order of magnitude of 12-13 times rate of relative risk. I guess society really has changed a lot in the last few years. Hail Twitter amirite? Also, the infographic you cited includes more than the definitions you would like to include as to what constitutes rape. So you might want to look at the actual data tables that they got that infographic from, and come back to me on it. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 04:40 PM |
| -1 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?When did I talk about campus rape specifically? Where did I reference the study you are saying? You are being very presumptive about sources I didn't even cite and trying to argue against me in that way. So sweet, you must believe that rape happens to men and women at an equal rate. Where's your evidence for this? Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives, including completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetratio… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 04:30 PM |
| 2 | The recent #metoo case (Aziz Ansari) and the reactions to it proves that the average woman can't presume to be safe in the private company of a male.So her staying there entitled him to behave the ways I cited above in your view? And it made what he did okay? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/18 04:24 PM |
| 0 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Do you think it would be fair for someone to criticize the Men's rights movement as a "bunch of misogynists hellbent on male supremacy and entitlement"? | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 04:18 PM |
| 0 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?I didn't ask for your description of your personal feelings of them. What's your definition of 3rd wave feminism the movement? What would sufficiently back up that claim in your view? | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 04:14 PM |
| -6 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?Female supremacy, entitlement and misandry disguised as gender equality. Are all your definitions these false caricatures of groups when you disagree with them? I really should have known better. You are already too far gone and not actually open-minded. No feminist would describe their movement this way, and you can only believe this because you have been led to believe it by clever rhetoricians. It's really sad. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 04:11 PM |
| 3 | The recent #metoo case (Aziz Ansari) and the reactions to it proves that the average woman can't presume to be safe in the private company of a male.https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355 Sure thing I can explain it to you pretty easily. It seems like you only read the first part of the article. That's not the part that's being called sexual misconduct, or a grey area or what not... It's the later parts... This moment is particularly significant for Grace, because she thought that would be the end of the sexual encounter — her remark about not wanting to feel “forced” had added a verbal component to the cues she was trying to give him… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/18 04:04 PM |
| 0 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?It started as rich white girls that wanted rights without responsibilities Sure, you aren't going to see me defend 1st wave feminism. What's wrong feminism today? and devolved into a modern-day victimhood complex A victimhood complex ostensibly implies they are already totally equal in society and not victimized in any way disproportionately that of to men, that they are just crazy or mentally unstable to think they are this way. The use of the word complex, a psychological term, in this way is … | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 03:54 PM |
| -5 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?I've been familiar with her for years, I don't think she knows her shit. I think she's an ideologue who forms carefully crafted rhetoric to her intended audience, young men that seem confused about interactions with women looking for answers. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 03:46 PM |
| 3 | The recent #metoo case (Aziz Ansari) and the reactions to it proves that the average woman can't presume to be safe in the private company of a male.“In a second, his hand was on my breast,” the woman recounted. “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again. It was really repetitive. It felt like a fucking game … most of my discomfort was expressed in me pulling away and mumbling. I know that my hand stopped moving at some points, I stopped moving my lips and turned cold.” “He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did. I think I just fel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/18 03:44 PM |
| -1 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?When feminists stop protesting men's rights meetings This requires a specific response. Which men's rights meeting was unfairly protested in your view specifically? when feminists protest male genital mutilation http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/voices1/2016/10/22/male-circumcision-is-a-feminist-issue-too http://feministing.com/2015/07/15/circumcision-is-a-feminist-issueand-so-is-how-we-talk-about-it/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/6e88iz/feminists_who_are_against_female_genital… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 03:41 PM |
| 0 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?That's incredibly lazy. Give me one example of something you think is inherently wrong with feminism. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 03:38 PM |
| -15 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?I thought the MRM was against treating someone preferably on account of their gender. Why does she being a woman lend any special credence to her anti-feminist views inherently? | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 03:37 PM |
| -2 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?But everything is wrong with being a mainstream 3rd/ 4th wave western "feminist". And I mean everything. What's your definition of 3rd wave feminism? What's specifically wrong, in your view, with being a 3rd wave feminist? Btw, why is there a sudden increase in "feminists" in this sub? I thought /r/incels was banned, not /r/Feminism. Careful there, that level of self-awareness might get all the /r/incels kids to stop upvoting you. :P I came here because I was looking for conversations about Aziz… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 03:34 PM |
| -23 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?I don't think you are worth engaging, sorry. You used a false analogy above, and now you are conflating a justified true belief in patriarchy which has been ironed out over many academic disciplines for decades, with believing that Jesus Christ is going to save your soul if you ask for forgiveness. I don't think someone as closed minded, riddled with rhetoric and talking points, etc... Is ever going to be convinced. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 03:31 PM |
| -4 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?If it really was solely about believing in gender equality Not sure why you are saying this in response to me. The definition I laid out doesn't say it's solely gender equality. It's the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of equality of the sexes. it would very simply be named gender equalism And Christianity shouldn't be called Christianity because the term Christian came about due to Emperor Constantine well after Jesus died. This is a sort of vocabularic essentialism where you are trying… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 03:25 PM |
| -17 | What is a good counterargument to people who say "Oh, you believe that men and women must be equal? Then you have to be a feminist".?As someone who is a feminist and believes the thing being caricaturized in the topic title I can argue succinctly why it's valid. It's derived from first principle as to the general definition of the word feminism. Feminism is commonly defined as the "advocacy for women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes". From this point if you think men and women should be equal in society, you fit into the definition of being a feminist. The above comment from /u/fortspucking is a false analog… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/18 02:34 PM |
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