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I claim that this issue is overblown compared to real life. That's different from claiming this: And in real life, nobody cares. I don't have patience for people who weasel.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:53 PM
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I guess its possible of course. My problem tends to be that I don't care what random people think of me. Maybe it's just cultural issue. I can't really speak to all the world's cultures, but in the secular West I definitely sense a lot of disapproval of relationships between older men and younger women -- even outside of discussion boards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:48 PM
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So you're saying that you think people push back against age-gap relationships because "men bad"? I assume that by "push back" you mean "criticize" or "condemn." And I would say that misandry is a primary driving factor behind criticism and condemnation of older man / younger woman relationships. To be sure, I'm not saying it's the sole factor. when a lot of the pushback comes from people who were in those relationships sharing what they went through. Well, let's suppose that a group of people i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:32 PM
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wow that really triggered you, huh? lol wow that really triggered you, huh? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:44 AM
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got it, you don't have an argument to support your position. Certainly not for you. But please, keep telling yourself that feminists just want "societal equality."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:40 AM
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emotionally healthy mature people prefer a partner who is more of an equal. emotionally stunted people date people 35 years younger and then get defensive about how it's still "legal". Interesting personal attack there. Anyway, I asked for proof of the claim that age gap relationships are inherently and necessarily harmful. Your response is (1) a claim that such relationships "can be dangerous"; and (2) a personal attack. Unsurprisingly, your claim does not stand up to scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:35 AM
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jeff bezos wife is 56 years old, so not sure what you're talking about there. I'm not sure how to make it any clearer. lol. what? feminists want societal equality. That's what feminists claim, and some even believe it. But it's utter BS. For example, suppose there is a mine disaster and 50 men (and no women) die. Will feminists be OUTRAGED at the inequality? Are feminists OUTRAGED that most workplace deaths are male? That men have shorter life experiences than women? Of course not. Feminists wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:32 AM
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Me none, Ok, thanks for refraining from feminist tall tales.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:25 PM
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Ok gramps Thanks, I trust you will stop claiming that every man who defends age gap relationships indicates he would object if a female family member were in such a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:23 PM
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legality is not an arbiter of morality. Sure, and I never claimed otherwise. However it's telling that you insist something is inherently destructive and harmful even though not a single legislature, king, dictator, or other lawmaker has sanctioned it. by virtue of this, there is a massive power differential between the two of you because you have well over twice the life experience she has. power differentials can be dangerous for the partner with less power. Let's see if I have this straight: …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:20 PM
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Don't care about online opinions, you'd be fine. Thanks for your concern :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:17 PM
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i don’t “disapprove” of age gap relationships solely because of the divorce rate. +++ have you cared to google the divorce rate statistics of your age gap? Ok, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:16 PM
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I said I’m challenging the idea of serious automatically equals good. No you didn't. Stop lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:13 PM
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Let's see, so you disapprove of marriages with higher divorce statistics, but only in situations where you have personally deemed the reason for the marriage to be illogical. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:10 PM
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It isn't though. Its not that common bit it definitely isn't rare. How many times were you hit on by your father's friends in the presence of your father? How many times were you sexually assaulted by one of your father's friends in the presence of your father?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:06 PM
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lol look at the divorce rates of marriages with 30 year age gaps and come back to me I take it you disapprove of marriages with higher divorce statistics, such as interracial marriages; lesbian marriages; and so on?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:05 PM
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just threw him out? Here where I live he'd likely end up dead. That's assuming that this incident actually happened. I've heard so many feminist tall tales on this subject that I'm highly skeptical. I'm not saying it never happens, but it's pretty unusual for a guy to hit on his friend's daughter, especially in the presence of his friend. Here was have someone claiming it happened multiple times even to the point of a sexual assault while the father was present. I call BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:53 PM
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And in real life, nobody cares I'm not so sure about that. In real life, if I'm in a mixed group of people who are roughly my age (50s) and I mention that my celebrity crush is some actress (who happens to be half my age) the women tend to get annoyed. (Meanwhile they seem to feel free to gush about men between the ages of 20 and 80). I realize that there's a difference between having a celebrity crush and actually dating someone, but my sense is that women in general seem to object to middle ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:44 PM
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I am challenging your idea that if he’s older, you would approve if he’s serious [and cares about her] If you think I'm lying, there's not much else to discuss. Here's what you claimed before: all of a sudden they say personally they wouldn’t be ok with it It sounds what you meant to say was they either say they wouldn't okay with it, or they say they would be okay with it, but if they say they are okay with it, they are lying. Because I'm interested only in evidence which confirms my pre-existi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:35 PM
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if you really cared about her you’d let her find a man her own age, where she is way more likely to be happy with him That's pretty great that you have such insight into my fiancee's mind to the extent you know how overjoyed she would be if I broke off the engagement and dumped her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:31 PM
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have you cared to google the divorce rate statistics of your age gap? No I haven't. Can I take it you disapprove of marriages with higher divorce statistics, such as interracial marriages; lesbian marriages; and so on?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:29 PM
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Are you actually in an age-gap relationship? I keep getting the feeling that a lot of you defend things just because "the other side" opposes them. I know this question wasn't put to me, but I'm actually in an age-gap relationship (I'm in my 50s and my fiancee is 19). That being said, that's not the main reason I am (somewhat) defending age gap relationships. Here's an analogy: Suppose that someone was constantly complaining about Bankers from Race X; or Welfare Moochers from Race Y; or Terroris…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:16 PM
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Well of course the older one is going to want serious, he’s running out of time I disagree, some people are NEVER serious. Either they are life-long screwups in general; or they have no interest in having a serious long-term relationship ever; or they are otherwise unstable. not because he genuinely cares about the younger person Genuine caring would also be part of my criteria. In other words, I would not object to a young female family member dating an older man if he were a serious person who…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:33 PM
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Hmm what I find interesting is when I ask men who defend large age gaps really hard if they’d be ok with their own daughter or sister being in one, all of a sudden they say personally they wouldn’t be ok with it, but they don’t care if others do For what it may be worth, I wouldn't mind if the guy was a serious person. i.e. he's a nice guy, he's stable, he's not a "player" but instead he's looking for a serious long term relationship leading to marriage. And it's the same criteria if he's young.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:51 PM
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If it was legal to go lower you know these ‘men’ likely would. Why are they doing it? I can't speak for other men, but I'm in my 50s and my fiancee is 19. I definitely would not go younger if I could. I find women most attractive in their mid to late 20s. So why am I getting ready to marry a 19 year old? The answer is pretty simple: She pursued me, and I am not some 6'2" chiseled-jaw rock star who gets to make a laundry list of demands. It seems like a miracle that I found a woman who is slender…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:46 PM
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Honestly, I was originally more fine with age gaps before I heard more of the reasonings that older people want one. The whole "more pure, less jaded" stuff is just...repulsive. I don't see why it should be repulsive. I think most people would agree that "jaded" is a personality trait which can make a person less attractive as a potential romantic partner. So for example, if I go on a romantic date with my fiancee (I'm in my 50s and she's 19) it's a more intense experience if we do something tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:38 PM
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Their talk about "power gaps" is also ridiculous because they never define what that "power" entails or how it manifests. Right, the "power gap" argument is just a BS rationalization. If Jeff Bezos had married a frumpy 62 year old nurse, feminists wouldn't mind. Even if he were a major donor to his wife's hospital. On the contrary, they'd be ecstatic. Any concerns about a "power gap" would go right out the window. The same thing is true if an older, established, and wealthy female celebrity, suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:09 PM
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i've always felt like the much older person has a moral responsibility to protect the much younger person, even if that younger person is interested, by not indulging in a sexual relationship with them. This assumes that such a relationship is inherently and necessarily harmful. I reject that assumption. If you believe that such a relationship is inherently and necessarily harmful (despite being 100% legal throughout the world), the burden is on you to demonstrate it. Let's see your proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:44 PM
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As I age, teens at the age of consent seem less attractive than women in their 20s. And that’s just raw attraction. I cannot imagine for the life of me why a guy in his 40s or 50s would want an actual relationship with an 18 year old. I can't speak for everyone, but for what it may be worth, I am a man in my 50s and my fiancee is 19. FWIW, I find women in their mid to late 20s more attractive than women around the age of 20. So why am I seriously dating a 19 year old? The answer is very simple: …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:01 PM
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You are a old pervert, I could not trust you around 15 or 16 year olds. Thank you for demonstrating my point so beautifully.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:15 PM
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This issue hits close to home for me, since I am in my 50s and my fiancee is 19. But anyway, yeah, people are always looking to cast me in the role of a villain who is defiling a sweet innocent maiden.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:49 PM
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The moral superiority of women is a consequence of their infantilization, bossman. What's your evidence for this claim, chuckles?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:55 PM
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Is there a lot of immediate social utility in declaring men just as capable of empathy as women at the current juncture? Absolutely. Society sees women as morally superior to men and it creates all kinds of problems. False perceptions regarding empathy are one facet of this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:22 PM
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How so? Because most universities discriminate against men in hiring, promotion, admission, discipline, and probably other areas that I can't name off the top of my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:19 PM
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There is a difference between an expert and a layman, and that difference is in having a field of expertise. I wouldn't expect a professional basketball player to talk about baseball, just so I wouldn't expect a neurobiologist to discuss workplace culture beyond the bounds of, like, their workplace specifically. So an expert in neurobiology has nothing to say about which sex is more empathetic but does have something to say about which sex is better at leadership? Give me a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:17 PM
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If there is an issue, say, sexism in academia, that impacts one group of people more strictly than another, would you expect both groups of impacted people to be given equal amounts of attention for the sake of fairness, or would it be more prudent to focus on the issue with the more severe impacts? Probably it could be argued either way. But it doesn't matter. Sexism in academia negatively affects men more than it affects women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:16 PM
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That would explain way she’s only “debunking” what’s convenient… because it’s not even debunking, it’s just propaganda. Yes, of course. Obviously men are more suited for leadership than women. You don't even need a scientific study to confirm this, you just need to observe the way most women freak out over minor problems when there is no man available to deal with them. The way women constantly try to avoid responsibility and accountability. etc. etc. As you say, it's just propaganda. And I woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:13 PM
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Why would a fair feminist debunk equally issues with disproportionate outcomes? I have no idea what this question means. I'm just posting so you don't think I'm ignoring you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:43 PM
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Why would a neurobiologist focusing on her field of expertise pick up fights in arenas outside of her specialty? Because she is a "fair feminist."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:42 PM
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I don’t understand why “debunk” things that are not debunkable. Why are we trying to debunk biological facts? Probably you should ask that question of feminists. My point is that if someone is a "fair feminist," who is "debunking neurosexism," one would expect her to do her debunking equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:39 PM
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The best example of such feminist I know is a neuro biologist phd, leading a big community, actively dedicated to debunking neurosexism (ideas of men being naturally smarter, better leaders or more violent). She wrote a lot of feminist works, translated books along with her team. What is she doing to debunk the idea that women are more empathetic, have better emotional intelligence, etc? What is she doing to fight bias in favor of women in education and in the workplace? What is she doing to hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:07 PM
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Off the top of my head: Having to put up with the consequences of silly Leftist policies enacted by politicians elected by women. For example, walking down the street in major cities and constantly having to avoid homeless encampments, needles, etc; Turning on the television and seeing commercials and television shows which constantly mock, belittle, and dump on men; When I worked in corporate America, being the victim of job discrimination (I directly witnessed blatant favoritism towards female…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:57 AM
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I have enough tact to know that I can’t cold approach a girl at a cafe and even though she’s wearing a Star Wars shirt or has a Pokémon keychain I know I can’t just walk up and expect a full conversation with her just because of implied similar interests. How exactly do you know that? I mean, in the 19th century there was a rule of etiquette that a man should not speak to an unknown woman until and unless they had been formally introduced. But we aren't in the 19th century anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:20 PM
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I'm not the one complaining about the way my words are perceived. Ok, so what? Perhaps I should re-phrase my comment: One could easily turn that around and say that if one doesn't want to sound judgy, one should avoid using the term simply because a man expresses a preference for a woman who manifests traditional femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:09 PM
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But isn't the risk of that much greater if a man "settles down" with a "6" whom he considers more "wife material" after pumping and dumping 9-10's for years? No, besides, that's not how this works. If a man is able to convince 9/10 women to have casual sex with him, he doesn't need to lower his standards much, if at all, in order to find someone willing to marry him. It looks to me like you are the one projecting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:34 PM
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Lol. I highly disagree with you, and do encourage you to look deeper in mainstream discussions I challenge you to identify three instances (in mainstream sources) where a woman has been explicitly or implicitly accused of being a gold-digging whore for expressing a desire for a traditional relationship with a man. You are making an affirmative claim that this happens, so the burden is on you. In other words, put up or shut up. Although somehow I expect you will do neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:29 AM
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Men most certainly do call women gold-digging whores for wanting a traditional relationship with a man. Not in mainstream discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:06 AM
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IMO a lot of the alpha fucks/beta bucks theory is men projecting onto women what they would do. I would have to disagree with this. AF/BB is based on observation of women's behavior combined with common sense reasoning about evolutionary incentives. Whereas women usually are not even as driven by sex as they get older, so I think a woman who slept with a lot of "Chads" and then married a beta guy is far less likely to cheat than a man who slept around a lot before marrying a more submissive, hom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:01 AM
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maybe, but also men that don't want children and don't want to wear condoms find infertility a plus There's a difference between being infertile and having the appearance of infertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:49 AM
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I agree you did not use that exact phrase. This is merely a common discussion point on this sub There are right ways and wrong ways to bring up a topic you find interesting. Putting words in other peoples' mouths is NOT a right way to do so. anything better than “barely above repulsive”. There you go again. If you need to misquote me to make your point, then you don't have much of a point. In any event, I am not interested in engaging with someone who misrepresents my position, misquotes me etc.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:48 AM
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Girl clearly expresses she isn't interested in him. I think in the typical situation, it's NOT clear that the girl is uninterested. I mean, it's clear in the sense that if the guy has red pill knowledge he'll probably know. But if the guy is steeped in blue pill propaganda, he might very will think he has a chance. I remember when I was younger, this sort of knowledge saved me from a lot of headaches. I was "friends" with a girl who, in hindsight, was a classic alpha widow. She told me straight …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:43 PM
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I think it also depends on the wife, it's not the fertility that's the problem (most men with kids don't want more kids at that age), it's more her becoming disinterested and having a starfish sex once a month if even that. That may be a factor, but I think fertility is a pretty big issue albeit in an indirect way. Even if the man does not want more children, his subconscious mind is telling him to focus his attention on fertile women. And millions of years of evolution have made men very good a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:25 PM
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Ah yes, I love it when men try to tell us the term “wife material” is a compliment, lol. It’s not. I'm not sure where you are getting this from. I certainly didn't use the word "wife material" in my post. Whether the term "wife material" is a compliment or not is a separate issue. I disagree with your position but that's not the topic under discussion. I will take your attempt to change the subject as a concession that you agree with everything in my post. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:22 PM
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Do men suffer because of that? Because they tied to their older wives while lose attraction to them? It depends what you mean by "suffer." If a man's goal is to maximize the amount of sexual pleasure he gets in life, marriage is probably not the best strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:16 AM
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FWIW as a man with a slightly larger than average size my experience is that size matters quite a bit. This is based on the following: A couple times I have dated women who (1) were from a demographic which is reputed to have men with relatively small sizes; and (2) before me had been only with men from that same demographic. In both cases, the women were practically worshipful of my penis. I could go into more detail but I don't want this post to sound like a Penthouse Letter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:07 AM
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I can't know for sure what's going on in other men's minds, but I'm a man and that's not been my experience. I think that men tend to be relatively flexible in terms of what they find sexually attractive. Most men, given the choice between marrying a "9" and a "6," would take both if they could. To put it another way, just because a man prefers a 9 doesn't mean he finds a 6 repulsive. That's more of a woman thing. I do think it's pretty common for a man to lose sexual interest in his wife as she…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:57 AM
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If you're that worried about being judged, you should use a term with a less negative connotation. One could easily turn that around and say that if you don't want to sound judgy, you should avoid using the term simply because a man expresses a preference for a woman who manifests traditional femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:40 AM
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I don't know about 4:1 but when I was in my late teens I spent the summer at a program which was 2:1 and it seemed to work pretty well. My sense is that, generally speaking, guys are more interested in getting a girlfriend than the reverse. And guys are way more interested in having casual short term relationships with girls than the reverse. I have observed a similar dynamic in nightclubs and other social gatherings -- everyone is there to dance, drink, and have fun. But some people are there t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:16 AM
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“What’s the evidence?” Dude, that’s my point! We don’t get to see the evidence, Ok, so there's no evidence at all. Serious question: Do you understand what a hypothetical is? You want people to weigh in on an argument that we don’t get to see. I made it very clear that I was asking you a hypothetical question. You could have easily said something like "In the situation you describe, yes, the feminist is a filthy liar but I don't believe the situation you describe ever comes up." But for some str…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:54 PM
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There's a stark different between "wanting a partner so I can have sex and have them do all the chores" and "my partner and I have defined our roles at home and are happy with it", and "bangmaid" certainly sounds like the former I'm not sure I understand your point. How do you define the term "bangmaid"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:30 PM
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No, because if he’s using labor to describe femininity he’s not looking for a significant other. Cooking and cleaning are not traditionally feminine attributes. There is nothing inherently feminine about that form of labor. Ok, let me make sure I understand your position. My position is that in a romantic/sexual relationship between a man and a woman, society perceives tasks such as cooking and cleaning as traditionally female activities. Thus, if a husband and wife told me that they had a very …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:48 AM
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Straw man where? Nobody is claiming there was a conspiracy. And nobody is claiming that the word "bangmaid" was coined by feminists. Feminists aren’t using this term to criticize that at all. Ok, so if I can find one instance of a feminist using the word "bangmaid" to criticize a man's preference for a traditionally feminine woman, you will admit that you are wrong and you have lost the argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:35 AM
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The only bad side is expecting someone to clean up after you for free. Plenty of married women expect their husbands to clean up their debts for free. Agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:50 PM
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based on evidence. What's the evidence? (Hatred of men doesn't count as evidence.) “filthy” is an insult, Agreed. Someone who makes a baseless accusation deserves to be insulted. Also, you have the luxury of representing a conversation based on your perceptions of it. I I presented a hypothetical situation. You don't get to change the hypothetical to conform it to your feminist narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:49 PM
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A lie would imply she is aware that her statement is incorrect. If she actually believes that you are not looking for a genuine connection, even though you did, then it's only a false accusation and not a lie. Lol, let's just call her a filthy feminist false accuser.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:45 PM
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Yes of course, the terminology itself is a feminist conspiracy Lol, nice strawman there. The fact is that feminists have used the word "bangmaid" to mock and dismiss men's stated desire for a traditionally feminine relationship partner. Conspiracy or not, it's yet another example of a filthy feminist lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:44 PM
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In your logic it's normal for woman to want and ATM machine. Why not? It's just "a provider that takes on an traditional role of a man and takes care of all his woman needs and Protect her. In a sense, yes. If (1) a woman expressed a desire for a traditional male partner who acted as a financial provider; (2) her desires were invalidated and dismissed using the phrase that "you just want an ATM machine"; then (3) it would be reasonable for her to say "Ok, I guess I want an ATM machine. There's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:09 PM
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But if the genders were swapped, would you say that it was similarly bad if Jenny was a man and Forrest was a woman? Yes of course. But not just me. As other people have pointed out, this hypothetical film would not get made. People would be way too outraged at the idea of a lighthearted movie which depicts that level of abuse by a man against a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:18 AM
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So a man who was a complete bum strings along an intellectually disabled woman for her whole life, gives her his child to take care of and dies? What do you think? There's simply no way that such a plot could be made as a lighthearted movie. Perhaps you could throw in some supernatural elements and turn it into a horror movie. Because people would be horrified at the thought of a man treating a woman the way that Jenny treats Forrest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:12 AM
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Understatement of the century. Celebrities would be cancelled for saying they like the movie lol Agreed. There is simply no way you could make a lighthearted movie where a male "Jenny" uses a female "Forrest" who is deeply in love with him despite the fact that he is a playboy/cad type.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:09 AM
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[] For reasons stated elsewhere, I am not going to respond to this poster.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:30 PM
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The term “gold digger” has been in the public vocabulary for far longer than “bangmaid.” I challenge you to find three examples, in mainstream discourse, where (1) a woman (hypothetical or real) expressed a preference for a man who was financially secure, paid for dates, etc.; and in response (2) she was accused, in substance of being a cold-hearted gold-digging whore who was just looking for a sugar daddy. (Those exact words need not be used. Just anything along those lines.) Edit: I will also …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:14 PM
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One feminist saying you wanting a woman who wants to cook and clean is wanting a Bangmaid. And another feminist saying you wanting a woman who wants to cook and clean is just you wanting a traditional relationship , isn’t one lying and one telling the truth. Depends on the definition of "bangmaid" And if that definition is strategically ambiguous, then the feminist in question is a filthy liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:41 PM
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If she doesn’t want to, should she because it’s her duty or obligation? I don't know what you mean by "she doesn't want to" In a situation where the wife's pleasure from sex would come only from her knowledge that she is pleasing her husband, and she goes along with it because it makes her happy to please her husband, would you say that she wants it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:35 PM
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I've answered your question, at least twice already. No you haven't. You've dodged and weaved by eliding the difference between "generally thought of by society as a traditionally feminine activity" and "inherently feminine" These are two different things, as you obviously know.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:33 PM
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It's pretty ignorant to see the world as one where cooking and cleaning are inherently feminine. Sure. And in fact I don't see the world that way. Nice strawman though. I'll ask my question again: The question is whether, within the confines of a romantic/sexual relationship between a man and a woman, cooking is generally thought of by society as a traditionally feminine activity. And your answer -- if I understand you correctly -- is "no." Things like cooking and cleaning are NOT thought by soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:28 PM
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i just explained that you are blaming propaganda for women not going out of their way to be attractive to you Unsurprisingly, you are unable to QUOTE me where I stated or implied entitlement of any nature. Because you made it up. "Entitled!" is just a magic word used by feminists to dismiss legitimate observations and arguments. In any event, I don't engage with people who misrepresent my position. Feel free to have the last word -- I won't be reading or responding.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:22 PM
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plenty of single men are in those jobs too So what? There also exist single women who don't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:20 PM
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You are aware that there are feminists that want and are in traditional relationships, right? I certainly don't dispute it. Why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:18 PM
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Because Bangmaid includes the banging part. Do you think a wife is obligated to supply sex whenever the husband wants? Do you believe sex should be a mutual enjoyable activity that only occurs when both people want it? I see. It depends on what you mean by "want." I think that a wife should take pleasure from making her husband happy which includes giving him sexual pleasure. So a situation where he wants it but she doesn't should be pretty rare. But what if she is ill and just needs to rest or …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:16 PM
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Yes. It would be a toss-up. Well if that's the way you see things, you are rather ignorant about the world. cooking isn't inherently feminine. That's not the issue. The question is whether, within the confines of a romantic/sexual relationship between a man and a woman, cooking is generally thought of by society as a traditionally feminine activity. And your answer -- if I understand you correctly -- is "no." Things like cooking and cleaning are NOT thought by society as traditionally feminine. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:45 PM
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I have no idea what "traditionally feminine woman", even means. Cooking and cleaning aren't inherently feminine tasks. Let's see if I have this straight. If you hear about a marriage, and the husband and wife in that marriage tell you that they follow traditional roles, with the wife doing the traditionally feminine stuff and the husband doing traditionally masculine stuff, and you have to bet $10,000 on who does most of the cooking in the household, it would be a toss-up for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:32 PM
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But am i wrong? As a matter of fact, you are wrong. However even if you were right it would not make my point any less valid. As a side note, I would guess that you are overweight and unattractive. Am I right? (To be clear, I think that your physical appearance is totally irrelevant to this discussion. However if you want to make this about peoples' personal lives, well, it's a two way street.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:29 PM
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The response to that accusation is, 'no, I want a loving and respectful relationship where we team up on life and divide labor in this way.' If I respond to a feminist liar, it doesn't make her any less of a feminist liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:26 PM
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I'm not a filthy liar because I think wanting a bangmaid is pathetic. Your a filthy liar if you switch back and forth between different definitions of "bangmaid" in order to tar men who express a preference for a relationship with a traditionally feminine woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:24 PM
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you blame feminist propaganda for american born women not thinking “i want to look good to make my customers happy” you are entitled. Umm, please QUOTE me where I stated or implied entitlement of any nature. Last time I will ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:22 PM
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their traditional role does not put them in a vulnerable position. Nonsense, lots of men die or get seriously injured every year doing dangerous jobs in order to make money to support their families.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:21 PM
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You’re just flat out wrong Flat out wrong about what? That feminists make use of strategic ambiguity? you didn’t answer my question. Correct, I ignored your question. I will consider answering it if you explain why it's relevant to the subject under discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:19 PM
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I have always interpreted a bang maid to be someone you don’t really care about talking to or spending time with, just someone that fucks and cleans up after you. If that's the definition, fine. In that case, a man who expresses a desire for a relationship with a traditionally feminine woman (who cooks and cleans) should not be accused of merely seeking a "bangmaid"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:17 PM
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Yes, some bitter women will throw around "bangmaid" or "pick me" just to demean any woman that does nice things for her man, Also to shame a man who desires a relationship with a traditionally feminine woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:16 PM
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you are not entitled to be served by an attractive woman Please quote me where I stated or implied entitlement of any nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:42 PM
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Good job you are never going to get one because it doesnt sound like you would be very nice to them Haha, the last refuge of a feminist who is losing an argument: "You're unattractive to women!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:39 PM
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What is the standard of “mainstream” to you? Something that would or could be expressed in a widely circulated newspaper; on a talk show or news program; in an official lecture at a major university; etc. What's NOT mainstream is message boards which are either obscure or widely condemned.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:37 PM
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You’re misunderstanding the word bangmaid and how it’s being used Ok, so if I express a desire for a romantic/sexual relationship with a traditionally feminine woman who takes pleasure from cooking, cleaning, being my helper, etc.; and a feminist accuses me of merely wanting a bangmaid, that feminist is a a filthy liar, agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:34 PM
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I hope you are under 21 because this is an incredibly juvenile take. Wanting a traditional relationship is not the same as wanting a bangmaid. A bangmaid is just that. You bang, they maid. To me that implies no partnership, no emotional connection and or support, just sex and chores. Ok, so suppose a man expresses a desire for a relationship with a traditionally feminine woman who takes pleasure from cooking and cleaning for him. In response, a feminist accuses him of merely wanting a "bangmaid.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:22 PM
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Yes, that’s what many men do call her. Not in mainstream discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:20 PM
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It’s what the word means. I'm skeptical of this. I strongly suspect that "bangmaid," like many concepts used by feminists is strategically ambiguous. There's the definition which is used when feminists are attacking men and there's the definition which is used when feminists are on the defensive. So that if a man expresses a preference for a traditionally feminine woman who enjoys cooking and cleaning for him, he can be tarred with the accusation of merely wanting a "bangmaid" Many, perhaps most…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:19 PM
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That’s how most women define bangmaid I'm skeptical of this. I strongly suspect that "bangmaid," like many concepts used by feminists is strategically ambiguous. There's the definition which is used when feminists are attacking men and there's the definition which is used when feminists are on the defensive. So that if a man expresses a preference for a traditionally feminine woman who enjoys cooking and cleaning for him, he can be tarred with the accusation of merely wanting a "bangmaid" Many, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:18 PM
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That’s just the correct definition I'm skeptical of this. I strongly suspect that "bangmaid," like many concepts used by feminists is strategically ambiguous. There's the definition which is used when feminists are attacking men and there's the definition which is used when feminists are on the defensive. So that if a man expresses a preference for a traditionally feminine woman who enjoys cooking and cleaning for him, he can be tarred with the accusation of merely wanting a "bangmaid" Many, per…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:18 PM
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A bangmaid is a woman whos viewed as a source for cooking, cleaning, and sex. Nothing else. That’s her purpose. That’s all she’s good for. She’s not valued as a person If you want to define the word that way, then no, I don't want a bangmaid. But that's just an issue of semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:54 PM
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Your claim is hate speech Thank you for so aptly demonstrating society's attitude towards any claim which puts women as a group in a negative light. The end Indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:31 AM
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why do you give a fuck if a bartender isn’t good looking? go to a strip club. I enjoy being served by an attractive woman who genuinely enjoys her job. What's so terrible about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:47 AM
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You weren’t making a statistical claim. You were simply claiming that women are opportunistic and lack an internal sense of justice. I have no idea what you mean by "statistical claim." I am making a general claim about women. The statement is not merely “unflattering”. You made sweeping negative character judgments about half the human population. Umm, what's the difference? But ok, suppose I am making a negative generalization about half the human population? So what? Most people immediately w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:46 AM
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So…propaganda is what keeps women from wanting to serve men with a smile? I think it's part of it, yeah. Why would anyone want to “serve” like that? Why wouldn't they? Unless they are constantly bombarded with propaganda telling them that it's wrong. It's worth noting that the traditional male role entails service as well. And in fact many men derive a lot of pleasure from working hard, bringing home the bacon, and building a nice life for the women in their lives (and their mutual children). Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:42 AM
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You jump From a personal observation to a universal claim Don't be silly. If someone observed that, generally speaking and based on his personal observations, men are taller than women, nobody would be outraged that he is "jump[ing] from a personal observation to a universal claim." The issue here is that the statement being made is unflattering. You assign innate negative traits to women If you want to look at it that way, fine. So what? I mean, I am aware that there is a societal taboo against…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:11 AM
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Yeah, even in the United States I find foreign born women to be more feminine in this way. Like, last week I was at a bar and the bartender was a cute Hispanic woman who hardly spoke English. But the way she was dressed; her body language; her demeanor; etc. sent a message along the lines of "Of course, I want to look good to make my customers happy, it's my pleasure to serve you." By contrast, the message I pick up from American-born women in a similar situation is more frequently along the lin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:50 PM
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How come we always say mankind is evil and not womankind is evil. I don't recall regularly hearing that "mankind is evil," but in any event, the word "mankind" typically refers to humanity in general, not just adult males.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:35 PM
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Men regularly write stuff like this then get mad when we say men hate women "Mad" isn't quite the right word, but yeah, just because I have observed and commented on facts which are unflattering to women as a group doesn't mean that I hate women as a group. Concepts like "misogyny" are an intellectually dishonest way of deflecting these sorts of observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:33 PM
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Why does accurate information that should be reassuring produce more friction instead of less? Because it threatens to undermine the Victim Narrative. Think of all the goodies women as a group receive based on the assumption that they are discriminated against and oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:14 PM
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Men care about income about as much as women care about niceness in a guy. Well I think the key similarity is that people care about these things at an intellectual level but not at the level of raw emotion and sexual desire. A lot of women will be genuinely and instinctively turned off by a man who is a low earner. The thought of dating such a man is genuinely repulsive to them. Men don't have the same emotional response to a low earning woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:27 PM
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I would estimate that 20% of the population are really solid people. The sort of people who would pay back a loan from a friend without being reminded; who are almost never late; who would immediately tell the bank if $5000 were accidentally deposited into their account. Of the really solid people I know, about 95% are men. Consider the phrase "He's a man of his word." Why don't we have the phrase "She's a woman of her word"? The answer is that everyone subconsciously knows that nearly all women…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:16 PM
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I think a reverse orgasm gap is usually a kind of fetish thing for couples either because the man is a submissive type, the woman is a dominant type, or some combination of the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:42 PM
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I would be interested in seeing a study where men are interviewed about their sexual/romantic history and their penises are measured. I'm pretty sure you would find that there is a pretty strong inverse correlation between a man's penis size and his likelihood of getting dumped by female partners. I can't say much from personal experience (I'm slightly above average in size) but I can say that a few times I have been with women who had previously only been with men from a demographic group which…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:53 PM
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Nice personal anecdote there Thanks. Obviously it's just an anecdote but to anyone who looks objectively at society in general, it's obviously representative. Criticism of women = misogyny. Plus not sure this story proves the “women are wonderful” theory when your premise was flawed anyway that women cheat as much as men. They don’t. This is actually a good example of what I mean. Statistics which indicate that wives cheat less than husbands are based on self-reporting. It is well known that sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:51 PM
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Nice strawman. We know that women are human and can be both good and bad. Sadly, it's not a strawman at all. For example, I was once chatting with a woman in my family and I remarked that I thought women cheated on their husbands at roughly the same rate that men cheated on their wives. Her response? "Why do you hate women so much?" The fact is that criticism of women as a group is labeled as misogyny. Any suggestion which contradicts the dogma that Women are Wonderful is labeled as misogyny. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:38 PM
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however also not the perfect beings as they sometimes are portrayed Yeah, I think this is a key point. Society falsely insists that "women are wonderful." If a man says "no, women have flaws and weaknesses," he will be labeled a woman-hating misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:48 AM
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I'm already wealthy, so generally speaking no. That being said, if (1) there were zero risk of any health problems; and (2) I would end up with Elon Musk or Bill Gates levels of wealth, then yeah I'd probably do it. Not because I want a mega-yacht or anything, but rather because being ultra wealthy would give me the opportunity to have some degree of influence over politics and public policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:16 AM
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It's really not. I agree. There are lots of men who have plenty of platonic friends (which demonstrates that they are reasonably kind and considerate and good company) but little or no romantic success. The real problem is finding a man who (1) is "kind, considerate, and good company to spend time with"; (2) sexually appealing; and (3) will be approved by the woman's friends. Especially if the woman is very picky about (2) and (3), which most single women are. Because if they weren't they would …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:52 PM
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As a man: the kind of woman you can consistently attract. Without paying them! As a woman: the kind of men who consistently pursue you for dating with serious intentions. Agreed, although the next question is how to tell if a man has "serious intentions." I would say that if he is willing to introduce you to his friends and family; and willing to wait for sexual intimacy, then it's pretty likely he has serious intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:41 PM
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Yeah I knew a woman who was a successful physician, she got divorced, and at age 50 started looking for a new partner. It was very important to her to meet a man who was at least as successful as she was. Based on my general observations, this is a very common pattern: If a woman values X, she typically wants a man who is at least at her level in terms of X. Thus, if she values money, she wants a man who makes at least as much money as her (regardless of her financial needs). If she values educa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:32 AM
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Do you think the avg sugar daddy sheikh in dubai is recieving trouble from his sugar baby? Not at all. I was thinking of a man in the West who is married or otherwise in a long term serious relationship with a typical woman. I agree it's a different story completely if the woman is a sugar baby. I imagine it's also different in other parts of the world depending on the culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:09 PM
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What difference does that make Have you ever been in a relationship with a woman who is resentful of you? Not fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:11 PM
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The biggest challenge usually isn't resources. It's finding women who are actually willing to accept that arrangement. Most women still want exclusivity, especially if they're emotionally invested. If you're talking about a one-sided arrangement where he's allowed other women but she isn't, the difficulty goes up even more. I basically agree, although in practice the way things like this work is that the husband has a mistress or whatever and both husband and wife pretend that it's not happening…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:07 PM
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The biggest challenge usually isn't resources. It's finding women who are actually willing to accept that arrangement. Most women still want exclusivity, especially if they're emotionally invested. If you're talking about a one-sided arrangement where he's allowed other women but she isn't, the difficulty goes up even more. I basically agree, although in practice the way things like this work is that the husband has a mistress or whatever and both husband and wife pretend that it's not happening…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:07 PM
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Women allow this for chads all the time They may put up with it, but they still resent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:04 PM
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Why should women care that men don't have partners? So why do you think this is my problem? Are you asking about you individually or about women as a group? Also, are there any societal problems which (1) don't particularly affect you on an individual level; and (2) you care about anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:16 AM
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There are a bunch of women out there who (1) make selective demands for equality as well as demands for special treatment and the net effect of these demands is female privilege and supremacy; (2) regularly disparage men and promote the narrative that men are wrongdoers and women are their victims; (3) generally speaking, selectively deny inherent differences between men and women when it is advantageous or convenient to do so. (4) blame essentially all of their problems on men as a group; (5) u…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:04 AM
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So your only interest in abuse towards women is how it damages them? Umm, no. But I will take your attempt to change the subject as a concession that my argument is correct. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:25 PM
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If marriage was mostly a bad deal for women and mostly a great deal for men, you would expect men to be the ones begging for it and women to be avoiding it. Agreed. In reality, marriage is -- generally speaking -- a great deal for women. The idea that marriage is great for men but sucks for women is just feminist propaganda to promote the narrative that women are great, men are sh*tty, and women are victims. These studies which purport to show that marriage is great for men generally suffer from…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:12 PM
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I've only ever seen men who want virgins and/or quasi-jailbait use this kind of thing to justify it however. Well how do you know that men's motivations are so uniform? Here's a proposed test: Suppose a man has a choice between (1) a 19 year old who is a train wreck due to having lots of bad experiences; and (2) a 29 year old who, for whatever reason, has had relatively little relationship experience and what she had was generally positive. If a man is looking for someone "barely legal," he will…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:46 AM
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Aren't you bothered by the difference in maturity and life experience? I'm absolutely bothered. When she initially approached me, I was very reluctant to have anything to do with her. But I'm not some 6'2" chisel-jawed "Chad" type who can just pick out his ideal woman. Like most men, I have to compromise. Are you confident that she won't change her plans for the future? Not as confident as I would be if she were 29 instead of 19. But I'm not in a position to have a laundry list of requirements. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:39 AM
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Out of curiosity: How many women have you emotionally damaged before? I'm not sure. The worst breakup I had involved a girlfriend who threatened me with a knife and I immediately broke off the relationship. I would guess that the experience of being dumped by someone she cared about caused her emotional harm, but I couldn't say for sure. She certainly stalked me for a while afterwards. I try to be a good relationship partner but there are some things I don't have much patience for. When one rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:53 AM
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Oh wow... All I can say is, good luck to your fiancee. I hope she wisens up before having children or making any permanent decisions with you. This boils down to "But you're a bad person!!" Obviously I disagree, but there's no need to respond to your ad hominem attack other than to note it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:37 AM
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Its always fascinating to me when people recognise the pattern that younger people have less emotional baggage because they had less experience but then turn around and try very hard to become the emotional baggage for these young people. Thats the predatory part that makes age gaps so weird. Its an imbalancd in experience. This boils down to "But you're a bad person!!" Obviously I disagree, but there's no need to respond to your ad hominem attack other than to note it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:36 AM
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I just find the cognitive dissonance between saying that you believe the main cause for women having more emotional baggage is female fragility rather than male behavior, yet citing a statistic saying women are much more likely to be a victim of sexual violence utterly fascinating. I'm not sure what your point is here, but as I mentioned, the causes of female emotion baggage (male misbehavior, female fragility, etc.) are irrelevant to my main point. The same is true with respect to the question …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:33 AM
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It’s not about can’t, it’s won’t Lol, ok, I stand corrected. I would guess that the poster has watched too many television sitcoms and has come to believe that all married men are lazy bumbling idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:10 PM
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why just not let men cover their bases? women do it too Yeah, imagine if a guy comes home very late and says he was out drinking with his buddies and his wife checks up on him -- by looking at his credit card statement; odometer on his car; etc. Nobody would say the man should file for divorce over this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:30 AM
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If trust is important, then honesty and transparency should be important too. A relationship shouldn't be so fragile that verifying one of the biggest responsibilities a man can ever take on is considered unacceptable. If the result confirms he's the father, then the issue is settled and everyone moves forward with certainty instead of doubt. I basically agree with this. I mean, suppose a man tells his wife he was out late drinking with his buddies. How often does it happen that the wife checks …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:27 AM
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They manage different things. I do all the legal paperwork, for example, so organizing a paternity test would be right up my alley. It's very sexist to assume men are incompetent little bitches. I would guess that the poster has watched too many television sitcoms and has come to believe that all married men are bumbling idiots who can't accomplish anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:18 AM
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I see your point but I wouldn't go that far. The reason being that our gynocentric society sends women the message that a man asking for a DNA test is bring unreasonable. Here's a thought experiment: Suppose we lived in an androcentric society which regularly sent the message that a man should be the master of the house and if he goes out, his wife has no right to ask where he has been or check up on him. In such a society, even a 100% faithful man might be offended if his wife were to ask for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:04 AM
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No. Not a probleme. I just think its fascinating that "compromising on something my partners is interested in" It's even more fascinating that you omit the fact that this particular issue is one where women commonly want and expect a man to behave in a certain way. Almost as though you are trying to twist my words. Very fascinating!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:45 AM
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So your issue from your gender role is that you are making a compromise on something you dont really care about? More or less. I am doing this mainly because women expect it, not because I would do it myself if I have a choice. Is that a problem for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:33 AM
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A compromise is not that you engage in something that you hate. Then you are in the wrong relationship I basically agree with this. Mature people understand that there is a spectrum between things that you hate and things that you love. Hopefully some day you will understand that these types of things are not necessarily black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:48 AM
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You are spending money and engaging in something you dont enjoy at all? It depends what you mean by "dont enjoy at all" See, if you get into a relationship, you quickly learn that you have to make compromises. Which doesn't mean doing things you hate, but it often means doing things which your partner absolutely loves while you are less enthusiastic about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:05 PM
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A lot of women these days, especially young women, want and expect a man to be super-dominant in bed. In my day, "kinky" meant a gentle spanking. Or trying her wrists with a silk handkerchief. A few years back, I gave in and had a contractor install a full on dungeon in my house.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:07 PM
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If her children were underage, I would not. Women have a strong tendency to prioritize their children over their boyfriends and husbands. I can kinda live with this if the children are my children too. But someone else's children? No thanks. For me, the distinction between single mothers who are single for noble reasons (a small minority) and your typical single mother is more about societal attitudes. I don't like the way that men are propagandized and pressured by society into accepting the "B…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:39 PM
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This idea that acting flakey will make her value you more is false and she will just lose interest due to thinking you have lost interest in her. I think this is something of a straw man. The idea is you shouldn't display too much interest too soon. There's no need to flake, but there's no need to make it clear you are completely available, willing to bend your schedule to the breaking point in order to accommodate her. Also the tactic of multidating multiple women will also turn her off and mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:20 PM
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No one has to TRY to make y’all look bad. I think /user/PrecisionHat has it right. Clearly some people do have to try -- otherwise there wouldn't exist phony feminist "research" such as this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:08 AM
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No you didn’t understand my point. I’m saying propaganda teaches women to automatically have negative biases against men before meeting them. In USA. If the choice is between (1) women are taught that men suck; or (2) women are taught that they should submit to men, I would definitely take the second option. Is there a middle ground? It doesn't seem so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:24 PM
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Yeah, that's been my experience as well. I feel that most women in my country (the United States) have a negative and entitled attitude about men. What I mean is: (1) They expect men to do traditional things for women such as pay for dates but get outraged at the suggestion that women should do traditional things for men, for example cooking the man a nice meal. (2) They act very disdainful and critical towards men as a group. The few men they like are rare exceptions to their general belief tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:19 PM
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“Self-serving justifications?” It’s very real. And yet for some strange reason, most women LOVE the sort of pornography you complain about. (I'm talking about actual real women in real life, not Women of Reddit.)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:18 PM
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This is obviously one of those phony feminist studies designed to make men look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:43 AM
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Actually, most of the women I know dislike pornography because it normalizes and commodifies the objectification, subjugation, and rape of women’s bodies. I was talking about the actual reasons, not the self-serving justifications. What a laughably narcissistic view. Indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:46 AM
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This comment is not addressed to the United States, so why are you quoting the United States' constitution? Because (1) the comment was general and not limited to any particular jurisdiction; (2) the person who made the comment refused to back it up; and (3) so as a courtesy I checked US law. That's where Reddit is based and that's where I live. That's why. In addition, it is incredibly disingenuous to quote only that one section of the US constitution to prove that women could be presidents The…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:02 PM
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If most women who claim to be afraid of the potential threat men pose to their lives were sincere, they wouldn’t feel emboldened to mock, berate, or taunt men online Agreed. Also, if women were sincerely afraid of men, they would never in a million years go somewhere alone with a man they had only just met. All this "I'm so scared of men" stuff is just performative. A way of saying "men are shitty" which is difficult to call out because who wants to be dismissive of a damsel in distress.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:21 PM
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No. I rest my case.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:38 PM
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No, it's just not true at all. "Women don't like porn because it threatens to undermine their Monopoly on sex" First of all it doesn't undermine anything. Men are still desperate. Second of all what a paranoid male coded thing to say. Third of all women like porn too. Women do not think that way. Men do. And sexually undesirable if he consumes porn? What? Tell that to all the couples who watch porn together. By the way. Even if these things were true I don't really see them as "unflattering" at …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:36 PM
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Unflattering? Not really. Yes really. I take it you feel it's a compliment to observe that as a group women act as a hive mind which is driven primarily by self-interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:14 PM
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The only point you made that can even be remotely true is the last one. The other two are entirely delusional. If by "delusional" you mean "unflattering to women and therefore unacceptable to women even though true," then yeah. 100% delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:34 AM
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I think women are not creeped out by the porn itself. Rather, they object to the idea of men viewing it. For one thing, porn which is inexpensive and easily available threatens to undermine the female monopoly on sexual services. (Which is why women are far more tolerant of services like OnlyFans in which a lot of men pay dearly for very little.) For another, if a man is consuming porn, it suggests that he is sexually undesirable and must make use of porn in lieu of attracting an actual woman fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:06 AM
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No, you'll be very attractive to an insecure, codependent woman, luckily for you. Thanks for that nice clarification of your ad hom attack. And thanks for illustrating my point so well -- your illogical and unhinged response shows EXACTLY why women should not be making important decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:19 AM
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I didn’t make any claims about the American presidency. Here's what you said: The only reason men have been leaders previously is because they made it law that women couldn’t. The United States president is a "leader" by any reasonable definition of that term. I pointed out that women weren’t even allowed a higher education until recently I checked, and no you didn't. But even if you had, you'd be wrong there as well. Ironically, you are the one who is trying "to steer the debate to suit your ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:55 AM
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Look up your own stats. Sorry, I'm not your research assistant. It's not my job to go searching for evidence to support your ridiculous claim. Anyway, the fact is that the qualifications for being president are right in the US Constitution. Here's what it says: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:31 AM
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Translation: Nuh uh, I'm right, you're wrong, girls suck, boyz rule. Lol, this is actually a good illustration of my point, i.e. the fact that you are unable to resist reacting emotionally to facts which hurt your feelings. you'll never attract a woman with even a modicum of self respect. And there it is - the last refuge of the feminist who is losing an argument: You're unattractive to women!!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:24 AM
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Looking at mens mental health and suicide, this doesn’t add up. Anger a string emotion that most men can’t control themselves with and lash out Looking at the big picture -- including female mental health; female suicide attempts; etc., it does. The only reason men have been leaders previously is because they made it law that women couldn’t. Which law in the United States provided that women could not serve as president; in congress; or on the Supreme Court? When was it enacted? I've never heard…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:46 AM
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Instinct or not, the people who are in best position to not treat unknown men as "some dude" (insert certain tone of voice on the word "dude") are the other men. There's much less physical danger involved in simple chatting, and it makes a world of difference you aren't just ignored (plus, he isn't gonna grope you or SA you just for talking). You can then access if the person is safe and drop them if they aren't without getting violently assaulted like women who say no. I think you are kind of e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:41 AM
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Women are immature, irrational, overly emotional and indecisive? Genuinely where are you meeting these women? In the real world. females mature faster mentally and physically than males Yes, and monkeys mature faster mentally and physically than humans. Men are only less "emotional" if you don't think that insecurity and anger are emotions Women are more emotional than men, even taking into account the possibility that some emotions affect men more strongly. considering that women on average hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:35 AM
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There are a few reasons IMO. First, generally speaking men are more mature, more rational and less emotional than women. So if you picked out a random man and a random woman; put them together; and one person had to lead; generally speaking both would be better off if the leader were the man. Second, for a woman to have and maintain sexual/romantic attraction to a man, she needs to look up to him. This is much harder to do if the woman is the leader in the relationship. Last (and this is related…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:02 AM
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Yeah, I think that the OP's complaint is just a small facet of a much larger phenomenon. In general, people (male and female) will fall over themselves to welcome, befriend, include, protect, and help a woman who is alone. They won't do this (or will do it to a much smaller extent) for a man (unless the man has something additional to offer). This is true whether the venue is a night club, a church, an activity group, or a youth hostel. In fact, I was watching a video about that island tribe in …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:06 AM
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In practice, "blue pill" = "whatever is most preferable, advantageous, convenient, and/or flattering for women" Telling a man to be kind and considerate to women (1) flatters women because it makes it sound as though women value kindness in choosing partners; and (2) is advantageous and convenient for women since it's helpful if people are kind and helpful to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:53 AM
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Do you honestly believe you can only be a feminist if you have published works out there? Lol Let's see if I have this straight. You claim that you are a "prominent feminist," but you've never published anything; you've never been quoted in any publications; and you refuse to say your name. Is that what you are trying to say? All of this is strawmanning, hasty generalizations, unsubstantiated bias and virtiol. Nonsense, if I have misrepresented feminism, it should be easy enough to prove me wron…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:20 AM
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Your very words. Kindly quote me and explain how exactly I am "caricaturing the opposing side." In other words, put up or shut up. Although somehow I expect you will do neither. You're speaking to one. Please provide your full name and link to some of your published statements to substantiate what you are saying. Please do the same for two other prominent feminists. In other words, put up or shut up. Although somehow I expect you will do neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:49 AM
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Okay you're antagonistic and caricaturing the opposing side now. What's your evidence for this claim? Listen to the arguments instead of letting the straw woman radfem sneak into the picture. I challenge you to identify three prominent feminists who regularly make statements in contradiction to my characterization.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:00 PM
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Tell me you've never studied abusive relationships without telling me you've never studied abusive relationships. I was manipulated by a guy who was 5'4". Please tell me (1) when and how you met this individual; (2) when you first had sexual relations with him; (3) what exactly he did to manipulate you; (4) over how many weeks, months or years you were sexually intimate with him; (5) when you first realized he was a master manipulator; (6) what evidence made you conclude so; and (7) how the rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:35 PM
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Hesiod, Works and Days (c. 700 BCE) On Pandora: she is the origin of "the deadly race and tribe of women who live amongst mortal men to their great trouble, no helpmates in hateful poverty, but only in wealth." Semonides of Amorgos, Poem on Women (c. 7th century BCE) A brutal catalogue of female types, most defined by appetite and disorder: "The gods made women's minds apart from us... She thinks of nothing else but how to give the largest helpings to herself." I stopped reading here, because ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:30 PM
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Would women rather keep these short term benefits or prefer a idealistic world where they are valued for their humanity first and foremost? I think most would chose the latter if they believe it was actually possible. I'm not sure what you mean by "valued for their humanity," but based on women's behavior, I'm pretty confident that they will choose whatever they perceive to be most beneficial. That's what feminists do. It's about grabbing as much money/power/status/etc. as they can. But so can m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:25 PM
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What did you not understand in "I've already backed up my claim, scroll down the thread"? Oh, I understand. I'm simply not going to go embark on a fetch quest. If you really offered evidence elsewhere in this thread to support your claim, it should be easy enough for you to link it. Or to cut and paste what you offered. From the fact that you can't be bothered to do so, my inference is that you are BSing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:21 PM
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And also google it. It's very well documented. Sorry, but I'm not your research assistant. It's not my responsibility to go searching for evidence to back up your ridiculous claims. If you decline to provide evidence to support your position, I will reach my own conclusion -- which is that you are BSing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:16 PM
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I think I have charisma. why else would people generally like me? I don't know if you do or you don't, but it's definitely a common phenomenon: The man who has lots of friends; is a genuinely nice guy; etc. but is unable to attract women for a romantic/sexual relationship. (Often the guy will have female friends who tell him what a great catch he will be -- for someone else.) And yeah, from the fact that people genuinely want to hang out with this guy, it's reasonably clear that the problem is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:25 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by "objectification and sexualization," so I will assume you mean something along the lines of "thinking of women primarily in terms of the sexual services they can potentially provide." I'm also not sure what you mean by "manosphere," but I will assume you mean the the phenomenon of men communicating with each other about how to go about attracting women for romantic/sexual relationships. With these definitions in place, it looks to me like you are, to a certain exten…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:09 AM
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A few centuries ago, women were considered to be the horny sex, wanting men all the time, whilst men were the sex of reason and rationality. I'm skeptical of this claim. What's your evidence for believing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:53 AM
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How do you square this circle? The usual way is the feminist trope of the "Master Manipulator." The charming man who skillfully conceals his terrible personality until it's too late. "Too late for what?" you might ask. For some strange reason, even after discovering this man's terrible personality, women are unable to leave him. Even while mistreating his wife or girlfriend, the Master Manipulator is able to fool her Personality Detector. (Of course, if somehow the Master Manipulator lost 6 inch…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:15 AM
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Just say you want to be a deadbeat dad. And advocate for the state to fully fund single mothers and their kids for life. Umm, re-read.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:06 AM
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Yeah, it's funny to post on Reddit with a female-sounding name; get into a silly debate; and watch all the White Knights charge in to defend m'Lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:00 PM
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In theory I agree with you, but it would be easier to accept this if society would accept situations where biological inequality means giving the advantage to men. Feminists (and our gynocentric society) seem to switch back and forth between "men and women are different" and "men and women are the same" depending on what is most advantageous for women. A man could have casual sex with many women, sign away responsibility, and walk away with NO personal cost AT ALL As a side note, this is part of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:38 AM
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Men are not attacked for observing They absolutely are and it's easy enough to test this by posting the observation on a mainstream discussion board and seeing the response. They are attacked for pretending it’s some conspiracy and said women don’t love their husbands Nice strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:14 AM
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Yeah, in another recent thread, someone posted CDC statistics indicating that roughly twice as many women as men have had same sex sexual encounters. Society tends to downplay this by pretending women are just being cute, but once you open your eyes to it, you realize just how common it is. I had a buddy who worked security at a casino and for a while his job was to monitor the surveillance cameras. He told me that people do a lot of wild things in Las Vegas when they think they are alone in ele…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:54 AM
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No one sits women down and says your husband would probably prefer Sydney Sweeney than you Show me examples of someone being attacked for observing that generally speaking, men prefer younger, more attractive women as sexual partners. That a lot of men, given the opportunity, will leave their wife for someone younger and more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:45 AM
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If it seemed hot to you then you didn't really see it as innocent. Well what was hot to me was the idea of being with 2 women. Not the two women having their own private frolic. You just thought you could benefit from someone else's sexuality Yes, sure. And in fact we were a "throuple" for a while and it was pretty great.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:41 AM
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In your case, it sucks to be cucked, but it seems the cheating is the point, not the sexual orientation. I think the difference is that when it's a woman, the initial stages seem more innocent. When she asked if I objected if a woman she knew moved into our spare bedroom I didn't think anything of it. If anything, the whole situation seemed kind of hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:19 PM
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But, women are honest about it. According to the same study, roughly 91% of men and and 77% of women reported being straight in the sense of being attracted only to the opposite sex. This is entirely consistent with the statistic that 20.8% of women had had sexual activity with other women and 7.3% of men had had sexual activity with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:34 PM
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The rate at which men who are straight have sexual interaction with other men is so high that it changed the way sex research works. According to the most recent CDC data, 20.8 percent of women had had sexual activity with other women in their lifetimes with 5.9 percent reporting sexual activity in the previous year. By contrast, the numbers for men were 7.3 percent and 3.2 percent -- roughly half. Link: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s-keystat.htm So if men are having sex with oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 04:51 PM
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So because your girlfriend cheated w a girl, now everyone is gay??? More or less. That incident helped me to see and understand women's behavior in a new light.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:58 PM
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How does that prove your point Standing alone, it proves nothing. It's just an example of the propaganda. Anyway, I take it your position is that society is completely straight and open with men about women's propensities to engage in AF/BB behaviors?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:54 PM
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Most typical adults don’t need every dynamic spelled out for them In the case of AF/BB society conceals the reality of the situation from men and even propagandizes men into accepting the beta role. For example, on popular television shows, fathers are typically portrayed as bumbling idiots. Unless they agree to step up and take responsibility for some single mother and her bastard children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:02 PM
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However, why care and what is the point? One could just as easily ask what the point is of any of these discussions. Although in my case, my ex-girlfriend cheated on me with another woman even though both insisted they were 100% straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:50 AM
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Look at how Arnold Schwarzenegger talked with other men about how beautiful bodybuilder bodies are in those documentaries about his bodybuilding days. Look at how ads in GQ magazine for men’s perfume and watches look. Look at how marvel movies have men be absolutely jacked beyond belief. That’s not for the female gaze. There absolutely are men who look at other men’s bodies. Sure, and a lot of male bodybuilders are somewhat gay. In fact it's kind of a meme at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:48 AM
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You think straight women have oral sex with each other ? Not all, but my impression is that experimenting is pretty common. Multiple women have dated and/or been friends with have admitted to such. And shower together and SPOON? Absolutely, I've seen this firsthand. INFACT THEY LOVE SEEING DICKS WAY MORE THAN THEY LOVE SEEING VAGINAS. SURELY THAT MEANS THEY ARE ALL GAY. Yeah, I would say that if a man gets sexual pleasure from looking at male genitalia, then he is somewhat gay. No need to put it…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:36 AM
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It would be fair and just if our (Western) society, women in particular, were completely open and honest about this dating strategy, but they aren't. Instead, they vehemently deny its very existence and ruthlessly attack any man who notices, exposes and rejects this dynamic. And that reaction clearly shows society/women know this dynamic is a terrible deal for men and almost exclusively benefits women. I tend to agree with this. Hypothetically, suppose Suzie the slut starts dating Billy Beta and…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:18 AM
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"I think maybe part of it is that women are not sexually repulsed by other women the way straight men are sexually repulsed by other men." Which would would make them gay and not straight. Well I think it depends on how you define "gay" and "straight" But yeah, the line is blurry between "not sexually repulsed by other women" and "sexually attracted to other women." In my ex-girlfriend's case, she claimed that she simply enjoyed the sensation of physical intimacy with her female friend. But at a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:00 AM
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Yeah, I've noticed something similar. Even women who insist they are 100% straight are often physically intimate with other women in ways that 2 guys would never be. My ex-girlfriend was like that. While we were living together, she asked if a friend from her yoga class could stay in our spare bedroom. She eventually invited this girl to start sleeping in our bed, which seemed pretty hot to me so I went along with it. Eventually I started noticing them holding hands a lot, spooning, even showeri…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:29 AM
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Then where we should approach women? You could start at the grocery store. Just be polite, don't be aggressive about it, and if it seems like she's uninterested, walk away. Even then, you will annoy some women, but who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:35 AM
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The days of picking up women at the grocery store or even at the bar are pretty much dead unless you look like a gorgeous man. I disagree, it's easier than ever to approach women in public. The main thing is to not be too aggressive about it and to promptly end the interaction if she seems like she's not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:31 AM
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I don't think it's a matter of "deserve." Rather, most of the time relationships work better if the man takes the lead. Most men are not more intelligent or capable than women. I disagree with this. But more importantly, and generally speaking, (1) women are more emotional than men; (2) women hate the uncomfortable feeling which comes from making a decision which might not work out (i.e. women hate taking responsibility for things); and (3) women find it attractive when the man takes the lead. (…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:55 AM
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I would say that it's ridiculously easy to date as a man if either (1) you are highly desirable in terms of looks/money/status; or (2) you are average or above and you shamelessly approach lots of women. But if you are well below average in desirability as a man, dating is going to be a challenge. Or if you are unable to bring yourself to approach women, dating is going to be a challenge (unless you are so desirable that women approach you).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:33 AM
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if 30+ plus men are so desired then why are they considered so out of place in venues where young women frequent? I think I know the answer to this question. Women -- especially young women -- fear the judgment of their peers. Even a young woman who has a thing for older men is almost impossible for an older man to approach if she's in a venue such as a nightclub or a gym where there are a lot of other young women. Looking good for your age isn’t the same thing as looking young, we can tell. I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:29 AM
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Lucky her. Yeah, an amazing stroke of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:59 PM
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Yep. This struck me as a rather extraordinary claim, so I decided to put it to the test this morning. I had a female friend put a personal ad on a kink-oriented message board, indicating that she was a dominant type looking for a submissive man. Within an hour she had received 4 or 5 polite, respectful messages from men looking for such a relationship. No harassing messages and no men looking to play the dominant role. In short, it looks to me like you are dead wrong. I don't expect to convince …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:36 PM
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You don't get interest, you get gross, harassing messages. You also get men expressing interest in dominating you. Just so we are clear, you are saying that if a woman posts a kinky personal ad expressing an interest in dominating men, she can expect to get essentially zero responses from men who politely express an interest in being dominated by her?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:26 AM
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I think the main difference is that certain kink dynamics -- female submission, whether exclusively in sex or in terms of lifestyle/relationship dynamics, are super normalized and accepted as part of non-kinky relationships and sex dynamics. That may very well be the case, but the question on the table is whether it's common among men to have (sexual) kinks which don't involve causing discomfort or pain to women. The answer to that is pretty clearly "yes." Is there a general preference for roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:34 PM
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It seems like men’s kinks and sexual interests nearly always include things that often cause women pain or discomfort such as deepthroating, anal, choking or spanking. I assume you would include things like humiliation. Of the top of my head, I cannot think of any common male kinks that do not involve any discomfort or pain of the female partner. My sense is that it's pretty common for men to be submissive and/or masochistic. Certainly there are plenty of dominatrices who boast about making a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:53 PM
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Feminism = Israel Ahh, probably that explains why the United Nations is constantly passing resolutions in support of Israel while ignoring Palestinian Arabs. Oops, just kidding. Feminism = Palestinians.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:17 PM
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Not really. Red pill is just unsuccessful men trying to make themselves feel better about their failures and putting all blame on someone else (women). Ok, so in your view, every last man who claims that he followed red pill advice and became more successful with women is a complete liar. Do I understand you correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:07 PM
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Men also struggle with accepting negative generalizations. Not to the extent of women. the lies about women If by "lies" you mean "uncomfortable truths which women reject because they are unflattering," then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:25 AM
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Yes. I have seen this. I am asking why you think women are more damaged / fragile? Based on my general experiences and observations. It seems to be the opposite. Ironically, due in part to their fragility, women have a great deal of difficulty accepting unflattering generalizations about women. Many men here are damaged even without having been in a relationship That's quite probably true. It doesn't change the reality though. just because red pill has told them lies. That's incorrect. The most …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:44 AM
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What do you mean by women being more fragile and easily damaged? Have you ever observed a situation where someone has had a bad relationship experience and as a result it causes problems for their future relationships? That's what I mean by "damaged" in this context. "Fragile" is a broader term. It applies not only to bad relationship experiences but negativity in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:39 AM
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Basically yes. If he took his previous girlfriends out on nice dates but he just wants to meet you at your apartment; if he introduced his previous girlfriends to his friends and family but won't do that for you; etc. etc., then yeah, probably you should end the relationship. Regardless of whether his previous girlfriends were "1% Stacy" types. Or rejecting a guy who has payed for first dates with other women but got used too many times so he stopped. This is also cause for concern. Most importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:26 PM
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What advantage do you think following your advice will have? What happens is that the bully finds an easier target. You just said having a job made you a great dad! Here's what I actually said: A man could reasonably say that PART OF THE REASON he is a great father is because he works hard and enables his children to live in a safe neighborhood with good schools, etc. (emphasis added) Here's the strawman you set up: Women can never get away with saying they're a great mum JUST FOR HAVING A JOB. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:04 PM
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Worth it? It's not going to change anything. In fact, it'll make it harder for the child to get actual help in the future as it seems unclear whether they're a victim. Just awful advice. Thanks for helping to show why fathers are so important. Women can never get away with saying they're a great mum just for having a job Umm, so? Men can't either. Nothing to do with hating men Everything to do with hating men. Why do you think it is that feminists almost always ignore or downplay the positive th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:46 PM
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It's not anyone's job to tell their children to push, fight and get into trouble at school. That's only going to get their child suspended. And sometimes it's worth it to get suspended or otherwise disciplined. Feminists tend to ignore men saying their contribution to the household is to earn money as by and large their partners have jobs too and rarely act like working excuses you from caring for your children. No, feminists ignore male contributions because they hate men and inevitably downpla…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:32 PM
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Question mostly aimed at attractive, socially successful men: I'm not particularly attractive, but I'll give it a shot: the less glamorous parts of fatherhood: emotional consistency, patience, sacrifice, showing up during tantrums, sickness, boredom, conflict, or the day-to-day labor of raising children. That part often seems implicitly delegated to the mother. I think my job as a father is to (1) step in and get involved when major issues come up; (2) regularly spend time with the children, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:29 AM
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To answer the question, I am pretty sure it's due to the Women are Wonderful effect. Our gynocentric society views women much more favorably than men so it makes sense that most individuals -- male or female -- would have more favorable feelings about women than about men. To me what's interesting (but not surprising) is peoples' reaction. If a man has a negative view of women, he's seen as an evil misogynist. A bad, hateful person. If a woman has a negative view of men, it's because men are bad…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:15 AM
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Wife material = Low body count, genuine desire, history of long relationships, Yes I think that in practice "wife material" = "doesn't have that much of a past."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:53 AM
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Then I’ll engage in bad faith and say I disagree with you as well. There's nothing inherently wrong with saying you disagree. The problem is that you are playing "hide the ball" with your position. When I told you I disagreed, you were perfectly free to ask good faith questions to figure out where the disagreement was. But instead you decided to get cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:41 AM
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You said you disagree with me. Sure, and I am trying to figure out exactly where the disagreement is. Thus my question. Obviously I cannot force you to answer, but if you decline to answer, there's no point in discussing this further. Do you agree that sometimes men say, in effect, that women cannot handle the truth in relation to unflattering generalizations about women? If so, do you agree that this is said often? It's a pretty straightforward question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:38 PM
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Only if you can admit that men use the phase when they don’t get the outcome they want “woman accepting his transparency (truth about his poor behavior) without negative feedback” often? This isn't a negotiation, I'm just trying to figure out where exactly you disagree with me, if at all. In my general experience, the most typical situation in which men make the assertion -- in substance -- that women can't handle the truth, is when women are confronted with unflattering statements about women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:36 PM
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4 men can kill a gorilla, 4 women can kill a man. Both rather easily. I don't know enough about gorillas to speak to the first statement, but I'm pretty confident that if it's a cage match between one random man and four random women, the four women will get the (&(& kicked out of them even if none turn tail. That being said, I'd be interested in reading your scenario for how 4 random women beat one random man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:49 AM
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The exact phrasing was used last week. To talk about men wanting multiple women. It’s not an uncommon phrase. Men use it often. I disagree, although I'm not saying it's never said. But let me ask you this: Do you agree that sometimes men say, in effect, that women cannot handle the truth in relation to unflattering generalizations about women? If so, do you agree that this is said often?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:44 AM
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Also, women are often different psychologically and would react differently, less resiliently, than a man in a fight. Yeah, if there were some kind of cage match between a man and 4 random women, once the women realized that the man seriously intended to beat the (*&& out of them, 3 or 4 of the women would just cower in the corner while the man beat them up one by one. But even if all the women tried to beat up the man at once, I doubt it would help much. That being said, there are a small numbe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 09:09 AM
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The average man would probably be beaten up by just 2 motivated average women. 3 certainly. 4 and it's not even a fight. I would have to disagree with this, based on the numerous videos online of multiple female police officers unable to subdue lone men. Probably the funniest one was in Europe, Scandinavia I believe, where it's 3 girls against one guy. They are getting nowhere; a random man wanders by; he helps them get the guy under control; the random guy leaves; and quickly the other man gets…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:55 AM
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It's interesting that men will complain about women treating dating like an interview, then complain that they aren't. To be clear, I'm not suggesting that the questions in my post are ones that should be asked directly and in rapid-fire succession on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 10:27 PM
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In my experience, the main area where women have difficulty handling the truth is when they are presented with facts that are unflattering to women as a group. Admittedly, most people have difficulty handling the truth if it's unflattering, but women are especially bad in this respect. Ironically, the fact of female fragility is itself unflattering. Your examples strike me as atypical, to put it politely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:21 PM
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Women would be the ones that should never ever touch a man that is/would become a neglectful parent and you would solve the issue overnight. Agreed. You can usually make a very good guess as to whether or not a man will be a devoted parent based on his family history; his work history; his criminal record; the kind of car he drives; etc. Are there already child support orders against him? Has been able to hold down a job for the last 5 or 10 years? Is he drowning in credit card debt? Does he dri…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:32 PM
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If chad does it= seen as sexy If a low quality male does it= seen as an object Is simple Agreed, "objectification" is just one of those social justice words which are intentionally ambiguous. What feminists actually care about is whether they are getting what they want out of the situation. That's why feminists freak out about Hooter's waitresses in sexy uniforms getting paid $20 per hour. "Objectification!" the feminists scream. But if it's a female entertainer getting paid $200,000 per hour, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:09 AM
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There’s a fairly thorough definition here That's a very long article, and it's not my job to go searching through it. I take it that you are unable to concisely (1) define objectification; and (2) explain in simple terms why feminists object to it? Also, do you dispute that there are plenty of highly compensated female performers who (1) dress more revealingly than Hooter's waitresses; and (2) include cis men in their target audience? This is a very simple yes or no question. Why do you ignore i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:40 AM
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If you have a robot gf, you’re really going out on dates together? Posting together on Instagram? Bringing her to the work holiday party or to family gatherings? As your plus-one to a wedding? It's kind of difficult to make predictions on these sorts of issues, because in a world with humanoid robots social norms and laws would almost certainly be very different from what we have now. All of the “social currency” (or whatever you want to call it) of having a wife/gf is non-existent. I would say …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:45 AM
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Well yes, objectification is dependent on who is observing. That’s fairly obvious It's not obvious to me. It always surprises me when men are critical of feminism but don’t even understand the basic concepts such as the male gaze. Literally none of the "basic concepts" of feminism make any sense. If you disagree, I challenge you to (1) define objectification; and (2) explain in simple terms why feminists object to it. Also, do you dispute that there are plenty of highly compensated female perfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 09:41 PM
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The difference is the male gaze So if a woman is dressed in revealing clothing, it's not objectification unless the intended audience is cis men? Also, do you dispute that there are plenty of highly compensated female performers who (1) dress more revealingly than Hooter's waitresses; and (2) include cis men in their target audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 09:20 PM
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I’m pretty sure cis men aren’t the target audience for Taylor Swift I don't see what difference that makes. It's still "objectification." Besides there are plenty of highly compensated female performers who (1) dress more revealingly than Hooter's waitresses; and (2) include cis men in their target audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:38 PM
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I agree, here's another example: Women get outraged about Hooter's waitresses who earn $20 an hour and wear sexy outfits. "Objectification!" they scream. But if a female musician like Taylor Swift puts on something even more revealing and gets paid $200,000 an hour for to perform in a stadium, it's no problem. She's just expressing her femininity or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:52 PM
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Anyway their existence breaks the statement in the OP. Yes, one could say that there are really 3 groups of men: (1) men who "think every woman is wet for them," so to speak; (2) men who think women are not attracted to them and think it's because those women are being unreasonable in some way; and (3) men who think women are not attracted to them and think it's because they (the men) are genuinely unattractive. The OP seems to be saying that most men fall into the first group, which does seem t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:13 PM
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If a woman posted that paragraph, she would be ripped to shreds by men. Well how often does it happen that a woman complains online about her dating life but accepts for responsibility for the situation without blaming men in any way? If it happens frequently, then it should be easy for you to point to a couple examples of women doing this who got "ripped to shreds" anyway. If it doesn't happen much, well, that kind of proves my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:32 AM
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Here's a thought experiment. Suppose a woman posted something along the following lines: I'm a woman who is average in terms of physical attractiveness but unfortunately I'm attracted only to men who are well above average in terms of physical attractiveness. (Of course it doesn't help that I have had a few flings with highly attractive men. I now realize that was a mistake.) As a result, I don't think I'll ever find a husband to whom I'm attracted. Would men judge and shame such a woman? I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:01 AM
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The beautiful thing about the term, Is that it can mean anything you want it to mean. Usually the women who are using the term are doing so against women who happen to put men as a priority in their lives. Or against women who state openly that they love and respect men. Or against women who express gratitude for all of the good things men do. Or against women who point out feminist hypocrisy. But anyway, I think the OP has a point. So for example, if there is a female content creator who takes …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:17 PM
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What do you mean why? I want to understand why you think that's valid. I'm not saying you are wrong, I just want to understand your reasoning. Why would you want to be with a liberal woman? You'll never have anything in common. At your core, you function on completely separate belief systems. Ok, by the same reasoning "no feminists" is completely valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 02:59 PM
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Completely valid. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:41 PM
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Do women put "no short dicks" in their dating profiles? Do they put "incomes $200k and up only"? I've never seen those specific things, but I've seen lots of female profiles with laundry lists of specific requirements. I've seen words to the effect of "must be financially successful" and "must be financially secure" many many times. Also "No MAGA" or "No Trump supporters" is very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:09 PM
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Honestly, I’m surprised you agree with this as a red piller FWIW I see the red pill as more of a descriptive philosophy than a prescriptive philosophy. It shows you the true nature of women, men, and male/female relations but it doesn't necessarily tell you that you should go out and try to get laid. I think a man should understand how to handle women, but as you say, women shouldn't be the scoreboard for one's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 12:30 PM
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I think what you are seeing is is one aspect of a larger phenomenon. To illustrate, suppose a guy has some kind of standard which isn't based on a bad experience, just based on a preference. e.g. he won't date feminists, not because he dated one and had a bad experience but just because he finds them annoying. Or he won't date single mothers, because it gives him the "ick." In that case, if he expresses it, he still can expect negative pushback. So I think the actual rule is that men aren't supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 10:54 AM
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I agree, although (ironically), if you turn yourself into a Strong Independent Man Who Don't Need No Woman, women tend to find it very attractive. It's also worth considering pickup artists, guys who devote their lives to chasing girls. Typically they get laid a lot but things don't work out all that well for them. Anyway, I wish I could insert that meme of Leonardo DiCaprio slow clapping. Because society is constantly telling men that what matters is female approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:46 AM
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Okay, can you come up with an example of something that's genuinely unflatering to women as a group and how someone would point it out "politely"? Yeah, I was thinking of making this same challenge. There may be a few minor exceptions, but for the most part there is no socially polite way to even suggest the possibility that (1) men are more inventive than women due to inherent differences; (2) women are more emotional and more gullible than men; (3) when women get into abusive relationships, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:11 AM
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Blue/purple pillers always insult or downvote me before I do any such thing to them. Yeah, in this thread, I very politely suggested an idea which just happens to be unflattering to women as a group. The insults and downvotes quickly followed. In practice for these people "rude" means anything which is unflattering to women as a group, no matter how politely it is expressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:00 AM
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Yeah that's why men are manchildren who need a mommy to make him a sandwich and look after him like he's a toddler. Who's really the gender that doesn't grow tf up lmao Thanks for demonstrating my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:52 PM
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you just proved his point lol Yes exactly. Even expressing the possibility that women stop maturing as teenagers is considered rude. Because, as I said, "rude" includes anything which is unflattering to women as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:51 PM
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There is no polite way to say that. There is no need to say that. It’s not true. Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:49 PM
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Rude is rude. Well what's a polite way to express the idea that, generally speaking, women stop maturing around the age of 16?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:23 PM
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Nahhh Well what's a polite way to express the idea that, generally speaking, women stop maturing around the age of 16?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:23 PM
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"Rude" includes anything which is unflattering to women as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:20 PM
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Yes, still have the same opinion For any lurkers reading this, here is the original exchange: But when i want relationship i actually want a person who i can be as natural as i am, without any games, manipulations and so on My response: That would be pretty great if it existed, but until they come out with AI Waifu Sex-bots, it's pretty much a fantasy. All humans, and especially women, play games. It's extremely clear that my point was that it's impossible to avoid games in a relationship. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:47 PM
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But you specifically commented that your idea of being with someone close will be possible with sex bots (or maybe not) Re-read.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:26 PM
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If sex bots can give you someone you can connect with, then it's not the connection i'm speaking about. Maybe they can and maybe they can't, but at least (in theory) they can be programmed not to play games.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:17 PM
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But when i want relationship i actually want a person who i can be as natural as i am, without any games, manipulations and so on That would be pretty great if it existed, but until they come out with AI Waifu Sex-bots, it's pretty much a fantasy. All humans, and especially women, play games. The red pill at least helps you to navigate those games. Anyway, to answer your question, I feel that the benefits of a relationship (companionship; social status; sex; reproduction; etc.) outweigh the cost…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:05 PM
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And why is OP framing having children as something women don’t want. Well I think there are pluses and minuses to having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:09 AM
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That would be on a case by case basis. Everything can and does happen. It seems to me that it follows from your position that an adult can NEVER take advantage of another adult by means of a voluntary transaction. Are you able to give a counter-example?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:27 AM
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You're kinda asking two questions here: (1) Why do women get married despite various (perceived) disadvantages; (2) Is it worth it to get married? As far as the second question goes, I would say that for most people, it's their best chance at having a life which is somewhat satisfying and meaningful. Note that marriage has a lot of potential disadvantages for men as well, but I would give men the same advice. As far as the first question goes, I would guess that most people marry due to social p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:24 AM
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Hell yeah. He said no. No is no. In your view, is it EVER possible for one adult to take advantage of another by means of a voluntary transaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:08 AM
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There is no taking advantage of. Friends are allowed to ask, friends are allowed to say no. I'm a little confused here, since it seemed you were saying that the people involved in the situation I described are not in fact "friends." Anyway, to make sure I understand you, let me ask you a hypothetical question: Suppose a girl is completely in love with a guy while he is pretty much indifferent towards her. If, knowing how infatuated she is with him, he starts asking her to perform demeaning sex a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:25 PM
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You are right that they are one-sided. If a guy is calling himself friend-zoned, he was never a friend. Why would this guy do things for her that he doesn't want to do, because he thinks if he does things she will change her mind. Hence one-sided. He is the one thats not a friend . Well it's just a matter of semantics. If a man is infatuated with a woman, and she takes advantage of him by accepting favors from him, knowing that he is hoping against hope that it will improve his chances of having…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:47 PM
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For starters, one needs to define "friend zone." Roughly speaking, I would define it, generally speaking, as a relationship between a guy and a girl where (1) the guy is sexually/romantically interested in the girl; (2) the guy's feelings are unrequited; (3) nevertheless, the two individuals maintain a relationship which is non-sexual/non-romantic. Almost always, these types of relationships are not bona fide friendships but instead are one-sided. In other words, the guy does things for the woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:14 PM
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If you give a woman a choice between (1) dating a man who lives with his mother; and (2) dating a man who lives with his wife, she'll normally choose the second option.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:14 PM
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I also believe that's innate I agree that it's probably innate to a large extent, but here's a thought experiment: Suppose that a few thousand years ago, there is a warlord who is kinda short and ugly but he has a harem of many women, mainly because he and his men raid villages and grab whatever women they find appealing. He would still probably have been considered high status, at least within his community. Of course, there are a couple counters to this: First, you could say that even if this …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:20 PM
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You are depressed precisely because you're failing to pair bond. Humans are wired to seek pair bonding. I think that's part of the issue, but I think there's another factor, which is that society has such utter contempt for men who are unable to attract women. Man is a social animal, and if a person is constantly looked down upon by society, it's going to mess with that person's mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:27 AM
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Part of the problem is that society constantly sends the message that if a man is unable to attract a woman, he's a loser, he's a bad person, he's an object of derision and contempt, he's an unworthy person. As other people have pointed out, man is a social animal. If you are the low status person who is constantly looked down upon, there's no way it won't mess with your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:14 AM
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I think that straight women do exist but generally they are not as rigid in their sexuality as straight men. I was once in a so-called "throuple" relationship consisting of me and two women. Both insisted that they were 100% straight, and yet they would do things like showering together; spooning while undressed; holding hands; etc. As a straight man, I would never do that kind of stuff with another man. I eventually caught them doing what I consider to be cheating and I ended things. They are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:54 PM
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Men here like to claim that sex is a need and that it's why women should have sex with them personally. I don't recall seeing that here, it sounds like a strawman to me. That being said, I would agree that social status matters a lot to people. That's why a feminist who is losing an argument with a man will frequently say something along the lines of "Well you're sexually unattractive to women!" Anyway, I'm not sure I would call social status a "need," but it's definitely harmful psychologically…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:21 PM
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How many of those female volunteers are living off the largesse of a man in their life? FWIW, according to Google "married individuals, particularly women, are more likely to volunteer." And it's a pattern I've definitely witnessed: A married couple where the man has a demanding, high-paying job while the wife is either a stay-at-home-mom or has a much less demanding job. In those situations, the wife will often volunteer at the local church or school. That being said, I'm skeptical of ANY socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:25 PM
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Seems like the possibility for regret is all around so you might as well do what you’re most comfortable with, no? If the chances are equal, sure. Although there are a lot of divorced people with children who don't regret having had children. Heck, there are divorced people who don't regret having married. I haven't seen studies on the topic, but based on my general observations, I would say that women who married, had children, and got divorced are happier than the women who never married or ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 07:09 PM
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To an extent I agree but I think the problem with your point is that at the end of the day, (1) red pill principles need to be translated to actionable steps and strategies a man can take and follow to attract women; (2) since these steps and strategies are primarily for the benefit of men, it's inevitable that some will conflict with or undermine women's perceived interests or desires; and (3) women will never accept anything which favors men's interests over women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:52 PM
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My point is that women are not going out of their way to tell these men any of these things. I tend to disagree. For example, in the Phoebe Waller-Bridge monologue, I doubt that the producers of Saturday Night Live asked her to share her thoughts on what is attractive in a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:40 PM
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So if she's young and says it she will change her mind, but if she's old and says it she's just being bitter? Nice strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:28 PM
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But do men give good dating advices? I would say that some do and some don't. But I think that even without any male advice, a man is better off trying to work things out himself by trial and error.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:26 PM
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I truly don't understand why men keep making posts that essentially boil down to "don't listen to women for dating advice." I never see what this is responding(?) to?? Who or where are these women insisting upon giving dating advice to men unprompted. I think that most of the "dating advice" being referred to isn't explicitly labeled as dating advice but is rather something that permeates the culture and common discourse. Here's are some examples: In her monologue on Saturday Night Live, Phoebe …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:19 PM
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I don't know what you mean by "degree of guilt." Certainly the legal system recognizes that provocation can be a mitigating factor in determining what kind of crime a person should be charged with and what the punishment should be. Perhaps the easiest way to see that this is reasonable is to gender-flip the situation. Suppose a woman vandalizes her husband's car because she found out he was cheating and got pissed off. Should these circumstances be seen as a mitigating factor in terms of how the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:03 PM
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I don't know why it is so controversial. Red Pillers refuse to believe that women like me exist who want to enjoy their single life and experiment sexually with lots of men. Well I think it depends on the woman's stage in life. If the woman is 20-30 years old, I can totally believe that, at least at the moment she announces it, she sincerely wants to be single, childless, and promiscuous. At the same time, I think there's a very good chance that such a woman will (1) eventually come to regret he…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:40 PM
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Obviously this is not a serious question, but rather an insult phrased as a question. But still think it's worth commenting on. The final fallback for a feminist who is losing an argument is typically along the lines of "Well you're sexually unattractive to women!!" This post offers further confirmation of this principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 11:27 AM
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one of the number one complaints by women when it comes to dating is getting played, being in situationships, that sort of stuff. making the assumption that they're trying to date out of their league is not far-fetched and lines up with my personal experience too. Yeah, it's pretty amazing just how unwilling women are unable to see and accept this simple reality. If a man is highly desirable and looking for a serious long term committed relationship, he's going to go for a woman who is highly de…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:05 PM
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So the fact that I was 28 and not a virgin when I met my husband whom I have been married to for almost 21 years means you judge me No, here's the claim you made: No decision that women make can ever be correct. I gave a single example of a decision a woman has made that I would not criticize or condemn. I never said that's the only decision I wouldn't criticize or condemn. That's just a strawman you erected. I do judge you for engaging in dishonest debate tactics though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:05 PM
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People are usually as much of assholes as they can get away with. I agree, but I think there's another factor in play -- survivorship bias. To illustrate, I am a below-average looking man. If a very attractive woman sits down next to me at a bar and tries to start a conversation; or if a very attractive woman contacts me online, it's pretty likely that the woman is a gold-digger or otherwise looking for money. Why do I think so? Because if that woman were looking for a normal relationship, she c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:58 PM
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When women don’t date men who are better looking, you cry “oofy doofy” and claim that they married for betabuxx. I'm not sure who you are talking about . . . "you" does not necessarily include me. claim that they married for betabuxx. I reserve this for situations where the woman's behavior so indicates, e.g. she spends her 20s dating broke losers, ends up as a single mom, and only then decides she's "ready to settle down with a nice guy." No decision that women make can ever be correct. Well, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:45 PM
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I have no idea. Most men value more than attractiveness in a relationship and 5/10 is not an objective measure. Ok, so in your view -- generally speaking -- if a 9/10 man has a choice between a 9/10 woman and a 6/10 woman, you have no idea which one he is more likely to go for. Do I understand you correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:14 PM
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Not if he dates average women. Strong disagree. And it's easy enough to test this with dating profile experiments. What illegitimate reasons would there be? A "player" looking for a pump and dump. The average guys who are struggling clearly suffer the same survivorship bias as the hot guys on the market so therefore it returns to being their problem, not women's problem. Let me ask you this: If a 9/10 man pursues a 5/10 woman, can we agree it's very unlikely that he's looking for a long-term com…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:51 PM
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Unfortunately you’re not going to be able to accomplish this goal thru shame. I'm not sure who "you" refers to, but there are definitely subcultures where a combination of shame and social status are used to encourage women and men both into having children. (e.g. the Amish) Will a random post on the internet by some guy have a similar effect? Not any more than a few drops of water in the ocean.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:46 AM
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Depends on the man, depends on the women, you might think she’s a 5/10, but he might think she’s a 20/10. People aren’t on a scale Well there's your problem. People really are on a scale. Obviously there isn't 100% consensus on this, but there is a high degree of agreement. If a woman perceives a man as being highly physically attractive, it's extremely likely that other women will also perceive that man as being highly physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:40 AM
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Then clearly the same would be true of the "average" men on the dating market as well, since the good ones No, for a couple of reasons. First, it's far more difficult for a man who is average in attractiveness to find a long-term relationship partner than it is for a man who is highly attractive. But more importantly, a man who is average in attractiveness and is a good guy has legitimate reasons for pursuing women at his level of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:39 AM
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No it doesn’t, there’s not a scale which starts at ugly but kind and handsome but horrible. There is in the sense that the scale has two dimensions. Let me ask you this: Do you agree that generally speaking, a man who is a 9/10 and a good guy is going to pick a 9/10 woman as a relationship partner over a 5/10 woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:35 AM
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Even if this were true (it's not), it assumes attractive men are bigger assholes, which is also untrue. Not at all, because there is survivorship bias in play. An attractive man who is a good guy is -- generally speaking -- going to enter into a long-term committed relationship with an attractive woman and leave the dating market. Therefore if an attractive man (1) remains on the dating market; and (2) is willing to date average woman, almost certainly it's because he is a player or otherwise a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:26 AM
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Because regardless of his partner is a 9/10 or 5/10, he shouldn’t be with her just stringing her along. That’s the mindset of a horrible person that just exploits those around him Ok, but so what? There are a lot of horrible people out there. Trying to date way out of your league greatly increases the chances you will end up with someone who is horrible or otherwise is trying to take advantage of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:23 AM
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No it's not. :shrug: You asked a question and you have your answer. Simply now what i see in reality and not what women report. You and those other women are delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:15 AM
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No that means he’s an asshole that doesn’t treat people well, Not sure what your point is here. How is being "a player or otherwise not a good potential relationship partner" any different from being "an asshole that doesn't treat people well"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:11 AM
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Gosh, what a softball. Don't get me wrong, women do complain about dating (usually not here tho), but those advices don't address actual women's issues. Women's most common complaints about dating (that men are commitment-phobic; that men mistreat them in various ways; etc.) are, in large part, a direct result of women being unreasonably picky in terms of superficial traits such as height, physical appearance, etc. If a woman is a 5/10 and she dates a man who is a 9/10, it's highly unlikely that…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 10:58 AM
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I hear people bring up status a lot on here, what exactly is status? Generally speaking, it means a person's standing in a social hierarchy. How the social hierarchy is determined is context dependent. For example, in the military, an officer has higher status than an enlisted man. In a large bank, the CEO has more status than a branch manager, who has more status than a teller. Is it same as being rich, or having a big social media account? It depends on the context. I'm pretty sure that among …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:09 PM
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Yes better chance at a match indeed. Thank you. a mentally ill vulnerable young girl I would suggest you get treatment for your mental illness, if any, if you haven't already. Best of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:56 PM
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You got yourself a mentally ill girl No. But thanks for your concern. Anyway, from your perspective there's a much better chance at a match of emotional maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:57 PM
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Hey, thank you. You are welcome. And for what it may be worth, my fiancee (18F) claims to be more mature than me (M, 50s). So maybe it is a good match.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:34 PM
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Most men don't get emotionally mature even by 50 Well, assuming you are a woman, I congratulate you on your superior emotional maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:30 PM
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Did you read the post? It’s clearly talking about physical appearance. Did you read the post? The person made a reference to maturity. women actually are getting better with age as they become more mature It's pretty embarrassing for you to insinuate that I did not read carefully when it's obvious that you yourself didn't read carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:17 PM
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FWIW I am a man in my 50s and my fiancee is an 18-year-old woman. Is this why I defend age-gap relationships, from personal interest? Not at all. In fact, there are valid reasons to object to such relationships. The reason I defend age-gap relationships is that criticism of such relationships typically stems from anti-male hatred. From the idea that male desires and interests are in general invalid and illegitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:39 PM
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Peak in what sense? Sexual desirability? Fertility? Emotional maturity? Earning potential?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:28 PM
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But since you're talking about "eliminating the risk" It never ceases to amaze me how feminists just fabricate quotes. I'm talking about "keep[ing] risk to a minimum," not eliminating it. Eliminating risk is impossible. Try and get that premium 20yo michael phelps swimmers? Umm, because everything is a trade-off. If you were going to a sperm bank for some reason, then yeah you should definitely have super-high standards. If you are looking for an actual man to marry and have children with, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:04 PM
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They also cry about "power gaps" although they never tell what an old guy can do what a younger guy can't. Nor do they care about real power gaps like attractiveness gaps, intelligence gaps, education gaps, skill gaps, money gaps etc. Yeah and if some tech billionaire were to marry a nurse or teacher in her 50s, nobody would complain about "power gaps."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:40 PM
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We don’t see the same energy around other dating preferences. Yes, I think this distinction is telling. "eww women don't like autists. Please stop?" or "small dicks? women don't prefer them. Here are the stats... "Sorry short men, here's what we REALLY like." Possibly women refrain from this because it's socially inappropriate, but you also don't see similar complaints about being approached by men who are out-of-shape or bald. Why is it so important for some women to make sure everyone knows ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:38 PM
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Yeah, so like sperm banks are known to target 35+ year old men. I think that's in order to keep risk to a minimum. There's no doubt that greater paternal age = higher risk, the point is that feminists wildly exaggerate the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:16 PM
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Young women want rich guys, almost all of them, or atleast financially stable guys. Who happen to be financially stable the most? Yeah, I think there is a small minority of women who prefer older men, but the vast majority are indifferent to age, while at the same time focused on looks/money/status. Which sometimes leads to attraction to older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:51 PM
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It's just so strange to me how evolution is cherry-picking here. Everyone knows advanced paternal age is associated with difficult pregnancies and health risks for the children. Yeah, it's almost like there's a contradiction between biological reality and the popular feminist narrative. To me, the resolution is pretty obvious: The risks associated with advanced paternal age are wildly exaggerated by feminists in order to deflect from the well known issues regarding maternal age. But you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:49 PM
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You said it yourself: most men don't end up in age gap relationships and in fact most end up with someone similarly aged. (Even if they'd prefer to be with someone younger) So the balance of reality is on the side of LTR, marriage, nuclear families, etc. Not to mention all the laws and other societal stuff we've built around incentivizing men to not run out on their wifes/families. Kinda the point of marriage is to frustrate peoples' natural sexual desires. If people were naturally sexually attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:42 PM
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What other Wikipedia pages do you disagree with? I do not trust any Wikipedia page which deals with a culture war issue. Why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:25 AM
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That kind of person is highly specific. I would have to disagree. There are a lot of women in the group I described. To be sure, not all of them engage in each of the 4 activities I described, but there is enough mutual sympathy and overlap that it's reasonable to have a general name for the group. My solution would have required a visit to the feminism Wikipedia page I haven't visited this page, but I do know that -- to a large extent -- Wikipedia has been captured by the Left. So I would expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 08:38 AM
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There are a lot of women out there who, generally speaking (1) selectively demand equality, i.e. demand equality for women but only in situations where it's perceived to be beneficial; (2) have a strong tendency to blame women's perceived problems on male misbehavior; (3) spend a lot of effort criticizing, condemning, and belittling men and things associated with men; (4) push for public policies which, generally speaking, benefit women at the expense of men; etc. This is a real, observable phen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:37 AM
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Wait, so are you saying me not wanting to sleep with a guy i am friends with is manipulation? I would say it depends. If (1) you know that he is sexually/romantically attracted to you; and (2) you ask for a significant favor, I would say that's manipulative. Of course, I have no idea if you do that or not, but a lot of women do things like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:40 PM
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That quote is strong evidence of the latter. Agreed. When someone says "they see women as human" it carries a special connotation. Obviously women (and men) are human, it's something that doesn't need to be said. When a man says that he "sees women as human," the implication is that there are a significant number of men out there who DON'T see women as human. He's saying that he's bought into all the feminist nonsense and he's superior to all those misogynists out there. Which is ironically a tu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:52 AM
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Not necessarily because a lot of women have tried hookups then hated it and decided they are not into hookups so is he fine with that or no? Well let me rephrase my question then: In that case, it would be perfectly fine for him to have a relationship with a woman who is not into hookups and never has been and never even tried. Agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:46 AM
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Because they are obsessed with being seen as hookup material "Obsessed" seems like an overstatement to me. But let me ask you this: Suppose, as I stated, the man's main concern is to avoid ending up in a relationship with a woman is open to hookups but not hookups with him. In that case, it would be perfectly fine for him to have a relationship with a woman who is not into hookups. Agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:25 AM
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They should only date their hookups then. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:19 AM
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I think that regardless of whether a man wants a relationship only or some combination of a relationship and hookups, one of the man's concerns is about ending up in a relationship with a woman who is open to hookups but not hookups with him. It seems illogical to me to want to be seen as one thing but to then aim/apply for something completely different. Hope that helps. But realistically, it probably won't. Because women are constantly trying to deflect, divert, gaslight, and otherwise obscure…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:48 AM
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Most women are incredibly boring. Yeah, of all the interesting people out there, the vast majority are men. Virtually all women are NPCs. The most charitable interpretation I can think of of the OP is that it's a troll post; that the person is just trying to provoke a reaction. But you never really know. Due to female narcissism and in-group bias, if you take any positive personality trait, such as being an interesting person, most women will insist that the positive trait is more common in wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:10 PM
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Gross Yeah, I know. One of my kids in State 1 was talking about applying to State 2's public university -- where I already have a child going. It's a big school, but still, I talked her out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:14 PM
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In Iran or Afghanistan, these men could be with other men who share their values, and women who cannot fight back. Do you agree that a Western man in Iran or Afghanistan would ALWAYS be treated as a suspicious foreigner? Do you agree that it would be very difficult for him to integrate into society given that he doesn't know the language and is unfamiliar with the culture? Do you agree that these types of societies, person without a large family is at a big disadvantage because people generally …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:51 AM
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I assume you are using "adultery" in the more modern sense, i.e. you mean "infidelity." Anyway, in my experience, it's essentially impossible to get away with long term infidelity without the person's spouse figuring it out. Yes, you can get away with a fling or a one-night-stand once in a while, but if you are meeting someone regularly, then eventually you'll be in a situation where your lies either don't add up or contradict some piece of evidence your spouse sees - a receipt, an unexplained p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:45 AM
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Why would i be hostile about your fantasies I don't know why you personally would be hostile, but lots of feminists have complained about, for example, James Bond -- a quintessential male fantasy. But it's nice to know you have no objection to such.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 12:37 AM
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Meanwhile Hollywood is actively changing to cater more to women's wants and needs, at the expense of men's wants and needs, and somehow treating equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women is seen as a good thing. Yeah, this is a pet peeve of mine. It's getting harder and harder to find movies in the genres I like (action, adventure, sci-fi) without annoying mary-sue girlboss types who are better than every man around them. I don't know much about romantic comedies, but ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 12:32 AM
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These women exist irl too but they are not attractive to you so y'all ignore them Yeah, there's hundreds of thousands of skilled female auto mechanics, I just don't notice them because they are so ugly. :rolleyes:
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 11:55 PM
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Edge of Tomorrow, Groundhog day, the Before Sunrise series, High Fidelity, Lost in Translation, True Lies, Mr. and Mrs. Smith. The only one of these I remember seeing is Groundhog Day. But thinking about it, I'm a bit confused. How exactly is Andy McDowell's character more than a "plot device."? Edit: I'm not sure what you meant by "plot device," but it seems to me that in Groundhog Day, the only purpose of Andie McDowell's character is to be a sort of Ideal Woman. Bill Murray's character must g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 11:54 PM
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funny how this sentiment only ever exists on reddit Yeah it seems every woman on Reddit is a skilled auto mechanic; is perfectly fine killing and disposing of pests in the house; and is attracted to men who are shorter than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 09:23 PM
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And plenty of actors are short. When a short man is cast as a leading man, it's pretty common -- dare I say "normal" -- to use risers, elevator shoes, and camera angles to make him appear taller than the leading lady. Examples include Humphrey Bogart, Tom Cruise, and Robert Downey, Jr. I would say it's a pretty well established Hollywood Trope that the leading man should be taller than the leading lady. So the question comes: Should Hollywood "mix it up a little"? I don't have a strong opinion a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 09:19 PM
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how is this different from men in female romantic stories? Yeah, I think everyone has a tendency to like movies, television shows, etc. that cater to their fantasies and desires. Putting aside the issue of romance, a lot of men really like the "action" genre where the male hero is basically a one-man army who gets to live by his own rules and inflict violence on anyone who gets in his way. But the question for this discussion is why a person might have hostility towards fantasy movies which cate…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 09:07 PM
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Read the topic. I am saying they would be happier there. You seriously believe that a man who has lived in the West for 40 or 50 years; has a comfortable place to live in a decent neighborhood and a decent job, etc. would be happier quitting his job and going to live in Iran or Afghanistan, a place where he will always be perceived as a suspicious foreigner, he doesn't speak the local language, it will be difficult or impossible to find work, etc? You seriously believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:47 PM
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Ugh, you were so close. The issue with the trope has nothing to do with men's needs or desires, it's the act of reducing the female character to a plot device in order to fulfill them. You don't NEED the manic pixie character for any story that serves as a male fantasy and it's inclusion can often make the overall story weaker. So that I can understand your point, can you give me a couple examples of movies which (1) primarily cater to male fantasies and desires; and (2) the protagonist's female…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:43 PM
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Well I wouldn’t insult children in such a manner in this particular case with such a man Yes, better to compare them with someone such as yourself with obviously superior intellect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:41 PM
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Well I don’t compare men to children Generally speaking, I don't either. It's typically women who deserve that honor. so thanks You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:24 PM
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so just like every single female romance/erotic story? Similar, yes. In stories which pander to women, there is typically a love triangle, i.e. two men competing for the woman's affection. The other difference is that men may roll their eyes at movies like Twilight, but you don't see a lot of men getting outraged to the point of writing think-pieces slamming these movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:22 PM
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I would bet good money women go out of their way to avoid you. The last refuge of a feminist who is losing an argument: "Well you're unappealing to women!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:19 PM
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I disagree, I think women are hostile to the manic pixie dream girl fantasy because it's a male fantasy. More specifically, the man is the central character and the woman is there just to serve the man's needs and desires, primarily: (1) The desire for a woman who is forward and energetic enough that the man faces much less risk of rejection and doesn't have to put in lots of energy to build the relationship. (2) The need for a woman who helps the man escape his dull depressing life. From the pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:30 PM
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You seriously should consider joining a religious cult if you think "love" is restricting basic autonomous rights of women to do things men do. I have no idea what your point is here, but for any lurkers, I will point out that this is one side of the feminist pivot. They love the idea of full "autonomous rights" for women -- until the woman's autonomous decisions don't work out and there's a man nearby to blame. Then suddenly it's "he took advantage of her!!" "her brain isn't fully developed" "t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:15 PM
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Oh I know you don’t know what the point is. Right over your head. Congratulations on your superior intellect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:04 PM
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Of course you would use children as some sort of ridiculous analogy to deflect away from misogyny and of course you would put “misogynist” in quotes and pretend it’s a “loaded phrase” lmao I have no idea what your point is here. (1) Do you agree with the argument that people with minority viewpoints should, generally speaking, just move? (2) Do you agree that the word "misogyny" connotes hate? (3) Do you agree that a belief that a group's rights should be limited does not necessarily come from h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 12:41 PM
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This is an argument which "proves too much" as the saying goes. Basically, it follows from this argument that ANYONE who has a minority viewpoint should just leave rather than working to change the system. Don't like the abortion laws in Oklahoma? Just leave the state. It's also worth noting that "political misogynist" is a loaded phrase, since it suggests that hatred of women is the motivation to limit women's rights. By analogy, if someone believed that children should not be allowed to vote, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:37 AM
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I agree it won't be long. My guess is that they will come out with realistic female chatbot companions, and a few years later it will be possible to have that chatbot personality inserted into a realistic sexbot. Kind of like meeting someone online and chatting online for a year or two and then eventually meeting in person. I think that at first, robot waifus will be seen as low status; men who turn to them will be mocked and ridiculed. But eventually, you will start to see high status men -- ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:55 PM
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I'm now wondering even more what the evidence is. You're just taking it for granted but there's no good reason to. At the moment, my general observations. However if you represent that you are seriously skeptical, I will look to see if there is anything else. Are you representing that you are seriously skeptical? Oh my God, all those Herculean tasks must amount to a weekly five minutes altogether, 5 minutes here, 5 minutes there, and pretty soon you are talking hours. Anyway, I take it you have …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:48 PM
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Is there any evidence that men spend any longer on commuting? Are you seriously skeptical of this claim? Women often underestimate chore time as they don't count it of they're multitasking. Sounds like another feminist fantasy to me. Is there any evidence for this other than self-reporting? Shovelling the driveway works out as a negligible amount of time if you average it over the year, and that's if you even do it. Shoveling the driveway; killing and removing pests; jump-starting a stalled car;…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:43 PM
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I basically agree, but I think you are missing a few important things: Difference in commute times. (I'm pretty sure that if you subtract off the difference in commute times from the (alleged) extra time that wives spend on household chores, the numbers will get more even and therefore more ridiculous) These studies about time spent doing household tasks are largely based on self-reporting and we all know that women are prone to exaggerating these sorts of things. These studies about time spent …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 11:03 AM
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Does anyone really believe men are suddenly struggling romantically on a historic level simply because they refuse to meet basic standards or be decent people? I think it depends on what you mean by "really believe." It's pretty common for people to hold contradictory beliefs in their heads. Here's a thought experiment: Suppose there is a man who is short, and unattractive in looks, maybe a 3/10. He has had little or no success in online dating. He has also tried meeting women through the colleg…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:59 PM
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Women do have their own gender specific issues, Ironically, one of those issues is that women are so coddled by society that it warps their self-image and stunts their mental growth. For example, there are so many women out there who falsely believe themselves to be funny. Because people laugh at their jokes to be nice to them. Because they are women. Or men laugh at their jokes in an effort to get into their pants. (To be clear, I am talking about actual women in reality. I am well aware that W…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:38 PM
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Not all, but much more so than men. Yes, of course. But again, I'm talking about reality -- not the feminist fantasy of Reddit Women. That being said, it's interesting that you don't dispute my observation that the vast majority of people who have emotional meltdowns -- violent or non-violent -- are female. Or that in real life, it's unusual to meet a woman who can keep it together in a highly stressful situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:37 AM
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This is basically saying "I believe it when it agrees with what I already think" No, it's basically saying "A statement against interest is more credible."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:35 AM
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Any "research" in psychology needs to be taken with an absolutely massive grain of salt given the reproducibility crisis. I generally agree, but when research comes out that goes against the gynocentric narrative, it is more credible. Besides which, the study I have in mind was a meta-analysis of 4 studies which reached similar results. That being said, scientific research isn't necessary to see that women have much stronger in-group bias than men. It's obvious just from general observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:55 PM
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This says more about you and the company you keep than it does about women. I know a lot more competent women than competent men, though the men usually rate themselves much higher than they are As mentioned in my post, I am talking about men and women in reality. I realize that Women of Reddit (and the people they know) are all rational; stay calm in emergencies; work on automobiles every week; and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:53 PM
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Conservatism is also in-group thinking, men aren't difficult from women and sure aren't more special or unique in their thinking I don't understand your point. In any event, as I mentioned, there is actual scientific research on women's in-group bias. The rest is pretty obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:35 PM
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You're red pill you think that's not a group thinking? Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:30 PM
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Based on what? My general observations regarding men and women. On in-group bias, there is actual scientific research available. But all this stuff is pretty obvious just from simple observation. I realize that women's own in-group bias and lack of logical thinking ability tends to blind them to these issues, but there it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:28 PM
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(1) there were no formal rules for this until 1974. Umm, does that mean yes or no? Are you saying that there was an informal rule? yea, such is the case with scientific discovery. Are you saying that she never got the patent? Or that her contributions were actually cover for a man’s? I'm saying exactly what I said: At best, she was a minor contributor. Therefore the claim that frequency hopping was (1) invented by a woman; and (2) unfairly attributed to a man is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:26 PM
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It’s always amazing to me how quick average men are to discredit [feminist propaganda regarding] women’s work. I think it's because of many experiences with feminist lies contradicting observable reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:43 PM
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bro is afraid and reeks of fear Interesting bit of bulverism there. Anyway, are you denying that (1) nobel prizes cannot be awarded posthumously; or (2) the idea of frequency hopping was originated and publicized by many men long before Hedy Lamar's patent?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:42 PM
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Lol and you think you're superior? Yes of course. Certainly in terms of the subjects under discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:41 PM
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DNA was discovered by Rosalind Franklin, and the men around literally stole her work and quasi deleted her from contributions, another nobel prize. Rosalind Franklin contributed to some extent but died in 1958 and was therefore ineligible for a Nobel Prize, which was awarded to Crick & Watson in 1962. Of course the joke of it all is that Rosalind Franklin's contribution essentially boils down to a photograph which had been taken by a male grad student. Anyway, were you not aware that Nobel Prize…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:44 PM
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bro could have read a book or researched Yeah, because it's my job to go searching for evidence to support other peoples' claims. [That was sarcasm, by the way]
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:30 PM
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Just observe one when he’s playing a video game or watching a game of football. They lose their shit so easily. They also let their emotions rule when they commit the vast majority of violent crime. In my experience, when people fly off the handle and get violent, it's about 2/3 men. Certainly the statistics on domestic violence show that there are plenty of female perpetrators. But what's far more telling is the percentages among people who have emotional meltdowns or otherwise lose their sh*t.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:17 PM
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Ew okay bro. I’ll leave you to your fantasies. Lol, ok. That's an interesting way of admitting that you are not able to identify any of these myriad scientific inventions which were actually invented by women but for which men stole all the credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:12 PM
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women actually invented some scientific inventions attributed to men This is just feminist fantasy. Unfortunately, our gynocentric society is uncomfortable admitting the truth about women. Let's do this: Identify 3 scientific inventions which (1) were invented by women; and (2) unfairly attributed to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:28 PM
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What particular skills from my Pictish forebears do I retain due to being a man? I’d love to know. As the saying goes, you can teach calculus to a horse if you start early enough -- 4 million years early.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 05:55 PM
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However I would have to say there's plenty of women inventor's, politicians, and scientists. In my experience, the contributions of supposed female inventors and scientists are wildly exaggerated. And when they do come up with something valuable, almost always there is a suspicious man in the picture -- a husband; a father; a male mentor; etc. Someone who is probably the actual genius. I'll give you politicians though. More than anything, politicians need to have people skills and to be good at …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 05:53 PM
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I think you missed a few things:, (1) women are ruled by their emotions to a much greater extent than men. If there is a debate between Policy X and Policy Y; all you need to do to sway women is to show them a picture of a stranded polar bear; or a drowned child; or whatever. It doesn't matter whether Policy X or Policy Y is better overall, they will oppose the policy which they perceive to result in harm to a sympathetic victim. (2) Women have strong in-group bias. If there is a dispute or conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 05:24 PM
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Like the man knowing he does not even LIKE the woman he is pursuing? I'm not sure what you mean by the word "LIKE" here. Presumably if a man is pursuing a woman for sex, he feels some degree of attraction. Why aren't men like on this sub so brazen about their true intentions in front of the women they are pursuing at the time? BECAUSE YOU KNOW if they really knew then there would be no consent. STOP lying to yourself and others. I have no idea what your point is here. Exactly what lie do you thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:07 PM
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If men are looking to get sex first and then determine if they want a relationship that is no different than a woman who is looking to get money first and they determine if she wants a relationship To some extent, I agree. That's the difference between good faith and bad faith. If the woman comes to an expensive date in good faith, i.e. she believes that there is a real and significant possibility of mutual interest which will lead to a romantic/sexual connection, then fine. That's different fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:34 AM
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With both it depends on how much they misrepresent their feelings and how much they are trying to get. A man chatting to a woman he's interested because he wants to fuck her is not being dishonest. Neither is a woman accepting drinks from a guy she's interested in. A womam feigning interested to get things from a guy is being dishonest, like a guy that makes it seem he's looking for something serious when he just wants to smash and dash. Yeah, I think that's what it comes down to -- whether the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:29 PM
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Let's say a group of 25 year old women go out, they want to meet men to buy them drinks or buy them dinner or take them on trips or whatever. They pursue men to get them to pay for stuff, the say things to men to get them to pay for stuff, they act in a way to get men to pay for stuff. Somehow men, treat this as worse? Why I think that the answer is that generally speaking when women seek these things, they are doing so in bad faith. In other words, they are pretending to be interested in sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:20 PM
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It depends on income though, does it not? The last girl I dated was nine years younger and a multi-millionaire. She paid more than I did (obviously). I agree it's not an ironclad rule. That being said, I think it's pretty common among rich girl types to what an even richer guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:04 AM
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Just because it can make sense does not mean it is automatically reasonable in every age gap relationship. An age gap alone does not create an obligation for the man to pay for everything. That depends on the actual expectations, the woman’s own finances, and what both people agreed to. Otherwise you are just turning one possible dynamic into a rule. Yes, I concede this point. Generally speaking in a relationship between an older man and a younger woman, it's kind of understood that the man is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:56 AM
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So you pay for sex No, I pay for joint activities. FWIW we are both members of the same religious sect and neither of us is interested in having sex before we are married. tell people you have a “girlfriend”? No, I tell people that I have a fiancee. But I see that you used quotation marks. Did I refer to this individual as a "girlfriend"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:53 AM
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but I also do not think it that it is some kind of romantic ideal relationship, either. FWIW I agree it's not ideal. Ideally I would want someone significantly older but sadly I'm not some Chad type who gets to have a laundry list of requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:15 AM
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Totally out of curiosity, but did you meet her in your own country? Yes, of course. It's not my style to travel to the Philippines, Colombia, etc. to leverage my Western passport. But I do think the same reasoning applies to "passport bro" type guys. It's reasonable for them to pay for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:59 PM
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I agree with your argument, Thanks. But, I don't know if I'd call her your "girlfriend." I believe the word I used is "fiancee"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:39 PM
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That’s a pretty hefty age gap. Agreed. All things being equal, I would have preferred someone significantly older. However, like most men, I am not in a position to be super picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:37 PM
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That means if a plain Jane wants to have casual she will get many options to choose from. And if a plain Bob wants to have casual sex, he will have essentially zero options to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 08:39 PM
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How is it a wild exaggeration when I share my own personal experience yet valid and beyond reproach when you share yours? Your claim is just the kind of BS feminist fantasy I was talking about. And yes, there's no way to prove that you are wildly exaggerating and/or outright lying. But your (implicit) claim is so at odds with observable reality, it's a reasonable conclusion. Please post your tales of legions of female auto mechanics to /r/thathappened
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 08:33 PM
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Because men are more likely to indiscriminately swipe than women. Sure, and more likely to indiscriminately f*ck. And we're supposed to feel flattered? No, you're supposed to feel that the OP is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:28 PM
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Op isn't denying it she's just saying it's more common for men to be competing for a small number of women than women to be competing for a small number of men The title of the post literally states the following: It's not women who share the top percent of men, it's the other way around It's hard to read that as anything other than a denial. Not at all, I agree with that - not sure if matching with someone on an app though is the same as persuing someone though? What evidence would it take to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:24 PM
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for every male fuckboy or player there is also a female one - I'm not sure what the relative proportions are, but the phenomenon of multiple women sharing a highly desirable man definitely exists. And it's silly for the OP to deny it. I think the point OP is trying to make is that men are also all competing for the same women. In principle this could be tested with a dating app experiment. I'm pretty confident that a plain Jane will get far more interest from men than a plain Bob will get from w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:12 PM
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And how many of those there are? Compared to women who jugle men? They are just the exception. I guess that means your answer to my question is "no." Probably you should tell the women in those "Are we dating the same man" chat groups that male player types are so rare that it's not worth worrying about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:07 PM
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So deny that there exist male "fuckboy" and "player" types who juggle a lot of women? Are you saying that these "Are we dating the same man" chat groups are for the most part a pointless waste of time?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 01:49 PM
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If you are in a long term live-in relationship, it's essentially impossible to conceal infidelity in the long run. Yes, you can get away with the occasional fling, but if you have a long term affair partner, eventually the odds will catch up with you. Either someone will see you with your affair partner; or you will tell a lie which doesn't add up; or your partner will happen upon some piece of evidence which contradicts something you said; etc. When people get away with long term infidelity, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 01:02 PM
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You enforce the boundary by actually ending the relationship Ok, let's see if I understand this, by comparing two potential reactions: (1) "The thing you did is unacceptable to me and if you insist on doing it, then I am going to end the relationship" (2) "The thing you did is unacceptable to me and for that reason I am ending the relationship." The first thing -- according to you -- is bad. The second is enforcement of a boundary. Do I understand your position correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 09:44 AM
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Your point is based on observations and I'm pointing out a potential bias you may have. I didn't dismiss your experience or perspective, I shared a perspective you may not have. You shared a perspective which (1) supports the feminist narrative; (2) is wildly unrepresentative of reality; and (3) is very likely a wild exaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 09:34 AM
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It may not be on your feed because you're not a woman but I've seen women attending classes to learn how to do these things with female mechanics Thanks for illustrating my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:15 PM
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According to me isn't worth much here I'm just trying to understand your post. the Romeo stalker advice is blue pill According to the OP's definition, sure. But in practice, blue pill type would ever give that advice. In other words, the OP's definition is simply not how "blue pill" is used in practice. What is the ensuing advice to sloppy dressing man when he successfully attracts a woman? Should he maintain his stylish dressing forever or can he revert to slopping dressing? Guessing Red Pill s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:36 PM
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Yes. Just applied to another day and age. Ok, so according to you, in 2026, the hypothetical advice I posted is blue pill. Agreed? Advice for men on how to 'get the girl' is centered on devised tactics rather on improving or tweaking how someone is already naturally. Ok, so if a man is a sloppy dresser, then advising him to dress stylishly is -- according to you -- red pill. But if he already dresses pretty well, then advising him to dress more stylishly is blue pill. Do I understand you correct…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:42 PM
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does that include all red pill advice? Yes, of course. Now please answer my questions: Are you saying that the hypothetical advice in my post is red pill advice? What do you mean by "manipulate"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:43 AM
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I think your Romeo narrative is cut from the same mentality as the modern red pill mentality I'm not sure I understand your point, are you saying that the hypothetical advice in my post is red pill advice? it bases itself on how to manipulate women to doing what the man wants. I don't understand this either. What do you mean by "manipulate"? After all, ANY dating advice for (straight) men is based on how to behave so that the man will get the romantic/sexual connection that he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 10:51 AM
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Eh, I think that scenario is old school, pre-internet blue pill. But yes, the Blue Pill definitely changes over time, simply because it reflects the mainstream view about sex/relationships in western societies. And yes, it means that more and more Red and even Black pill points creep in because Gen Z and younger simply are more Red and Black pilled than previous generation. Well, I guess you agree that are claims and advice which are neither blue pill nor red pill? As a side note, I would basica…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:29 AM
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I disagree, and here's a thought experiment: Suppose some romance guru comes along and advises that a man should (1) pick out the most beautiful girl he knows; (2) go to her house late at night with a guitar, get down on one knee and serenade her; (3) profess his undying love for her and beg her to marry him; and (4) repeat this every night until she either agrees or takes out a restraining order against him. Clearly this is not red pill advice. The red pill clearly advises that you should not f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:12 AM
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On this subreddit, I would say it's the Unverifiable Self-Serving Bullsh*t Feminist Story. e.g. Me: Based on my observations, and generally speaking, women can't or won't do light automotive work, such as changing a tire or starting the car with jumper cables. Feminist: What are you talking about? I work on the family car almost every week. Just yesterday I had to change the spark plugs and last week I put in a new set of brake pads. Most of my female friends are MUCH better with cars than their…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:57 AM
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It is common, unfortunately, and incorrect, and misleading as it allows effeminate bloopers to broaden the term out to mean either “optimization” or “preference for that which ranks higher on an objective scale” which robs the concept of its true meaning and descriptive power. For example: a preference to receive $1,000 as opposed to receiving $100 is not hypergamy just as a preference to be sexually intimate with 1996 Salma Hayek as opposed to being sexually intimate with 2026 Rosie O’Donnell i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:44 AM
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Everyone want the best they can get Sure, but the real question is what people DON'T want. You basically told me that women are hypergamous because they don't want to risk a good relationship by having less good one (or cheating) No, I didn't. Re-read.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:04 PM
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Do you think a woman’s attraction is for the status and money and that somehow makes her see that man as more physically attractive to her? Absolutely. In fact, I saw a study where people were asked to rate the looks of members of the opposite sex. When women were presented with men's pictures which included elements or other indications that the man was high status, they rated the men's looks significantly higher. (The same effect was not observed when men rated women.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 08:06 PM
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I’ll stick with the accurate denotation derived from the Greek etymology as doing so tends to cause less confusion and error than using a rando’s philosophical interpretation. Suit yourself, but I think it's pretty common for people to use the word "hypergamy" in the sense I described.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:45 PM
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So maybe love and attraction aren’t real for a good amount of people then. It depends how you define love and attraction. I think that if a man is high status and wealthy, a lot more women will be attracted to him. And I think it's genuine, real attraction. Maybe that attraction will disappear if the man loses his status and wealth. If you want to say that in such a case, the attraction was never real, it's just a matter of semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:40 PM
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It literally means the tendency to marry “up” (better than oneself) in social status, for which financial means is often a signal You are free to define the term any way you like, of course. I prefer the approach used by F. Roger Devlin: + + It would be more accurate to say that the female sexual instinct is hyper-gamous. Men may have a tendency to seek sexual variety, but women have simple tastes in the manner of Oscar Wilde: They are always satisfied with the best. By definition, only one man …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:36 PM
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Another reason I don’t believe some men can actually be in love with a woman. We are just access to sex for those guys. Holes to be filled. They care only about our bodies. We will be discarded when they eventually don’t match up to those men’s standards. The people we are don’t matter to them. Most Women care about the person as a whole. Most Men care about women’s bodies. This is one of those comments which could be easily gender-flipped. Another reason I don't believe some women can actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:29 PM
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I think that for purposes of defining and understanding hypergamy, it is not relevant whether one is talking about physical attractiveness; social status; money; or some combination thereof. Because whatever it is that the woman in question values, hypergamy means she wants the best she can get. Here's an example: Suppose a woman has a choice between a man who is an 8 in terms of desirability and a man who is a 6 in terms of desirability. Hypergamy implies that the woman will choose the 8. Now, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:33 PM
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A 6 out off 10 Men, that has maxed out social skills, can pull baddies easily. I wouldn't go that far, but I do see your point. I think it's worth adding that it's also possible to over-estimate the importance of social skills. Probably most of us have seen the video of the short skinny Asian guy who's chatting with 2 or 3 white women; the interaction is going great until he suggests meeting up later. I would estimate that being a smooth talker adds approximately 2 points to a man's overall attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:08 AM
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I see you are attempting the socratic method, but you are making one of these examples much worse than the other, and that undermines the approach. I disagree with you, but it seems a bit off-track to have a meta debate over this. Possibly you haven't seen the full context since the person I was responding to deleted one or more of his posts. Anyway, if you think there is a more effective way to respond to the post, by all means please do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 08:47 AM
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Yh cos they are willing to date them, sleep with them but try to shame them. I would say it depends on the context. If a man puts a bumper sticker on his car which says "I would never marry a woman with a past!!" then yeah, it's kinda a problem. It's sort of like a woman with a bumper sticker which says "Life is too short to date short men!" (I have really seen this.) On the other hand, if a man is asked about his preferences, it's a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 08:42 AM
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I would say it's a boundary if he finds out and decides to leave because the boundary is the steps you take in reaction to something. I see. The problem I see is that men who aren't even in a relationship a so vocal and adamant about a boundary that has never been tested in their real lives. Why is that a problem? If a man states that he would not entertain a serious relationship with a woman who had a promiscuous past, what's wrong with that? Do you think such men are lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:58 PM
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When men say boundary they often just want to call a woman a whore for having past relationships. A true boundary would be not selecting women who wear revealing clothing or have sex early on but those are the very actions men want. I'm not sure I understand your point here. Let's suppose a man has a rule he follows which is that he won't enter into a long-term committed relationship with any woman who has a promiscuous past. Are you saying that this is not a "true boundary"? If so, I would be i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:06 PM
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Sorry, what are the "boundaries" in your example exactly? Are you trying to imply that just because a person does something without asking explicitly for permission, that they are automatically breaking a "boundary"? Yes, but I don't have a clear understanding of the word "boundary." So let's modify my examples to conform to your objection: A man and a woman started dating recently and have been sexually intimate a few times. The man mentions that he would like to confine all sexual contact to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:24 PM
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Do you believe that going against the following 2 boundaries justify a similar response? A man and a woman started dating recently and have been sexually intimate a few times. Without asking permission, the woman gives the man a gentle pat on the rear end. A man and a woman started dating recently. The man goes to her place and makes a big mess - dirty dishes everywhere, mud tracked into her place, etc. He tells her that she's the woman and it's her job to clean up the mess and he walks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:11 PM
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Obviously it is very different to push a person's sexual boundary than their physical labour boundary It's not obvious to me. Which of the following is a more serious boundary violation: A man and a woman started dating recently and have been sexually intimate a few times. Without asking permission, the woman gives the man a gentle pat on the rear end. A man and a woman started dating recently. The man goes to her place and makes a big mess - dirty dishes everywhere, mud tracked into her place, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:10 PM
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The difference is, women having boundaries are seen as being self respecting and doing good, while men having boundaries is seen as being selfish and controlling. Yeah, I think that's what it comes down to. In practice, the concept of "boundaries" is just a way to make gynocentrism appear rational and principled.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:03 PM
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Usually men dont need help from women when it comes to physical labor, so lets take another example. You help her move, or with her car or her plumbing or whatever and in return you ask her to cook a delicious meal for you, but she says no. Actually it occurs to me that you can take it a step further. What if you start dating a woman and after a few weeks you call her, tell her you are feeling tired and that it would be really great if she could come over and do your laundry and prepare dinner. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:16 AM
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I think him only threatening to end the relationship rather than actually enforcing the boundary he set Well how does one go about "actually enforcing the boundary"? I don't see that as a boundary, Can you define what you mean by "boundary" then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:57 AM
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It is debatable if your no manual labor until official boundary is reasonable. I think part of the idea with boundaries is that the boundary-maker gets to decide what is reasonable; that the boundary-maker has the right to set rules based on what he or she personally feels is comfortable. As opposed to some general, objective idea of what is reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:04 AM
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But would the reverse be true? I think that's a key question. Suppose a man and a woman are in an intimate relationship. The man requests that the woman perform some kinky sex act and she declines -- for her it's a "boundary." Ok, suppose the man gets upset in response and threatens to end the relationship if she won't perform this kinky sex act. Is the man "respecting her boundaries"? I'm pretty sure that most blue pill types would say "no." So much for the argument that "setting a boundary doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:48 AM
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I am a woman and as long as I keep seeing this propaganda from men, I won’t date a man even a day older than me. It seems odd to me that people would make dating decisions as a way of fighting back in some perceived conflict. I hope that it's just bravado, that if you found a great guy who was a week older than you, you would take a shot with him rather than blow him off as a way of spiting random strangers on the internet, most of whom are probably bots anyway. But as the young people say these…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 10:25 AM
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You’re most likely just experiencing cognitive dissonance from the harsh realization that you (and many other men) are just as “hypergamous” as what pill-dudes accuse women of being… As a side note, when you define "hypergamy" this way, you muddy the usefulness of the word as a way of understanding the differences between men and women. Obviously both men and women -- generally speaking -- want the most desirable romantic/sexual partners they can get. If you give a man or a woman a choice betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 10:11 AM
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Is it wrong to think sex with an escort who is stunning is more enjoyable compared to a girl who you have a one night stand with and is decent looking? This seems like an odd question to me, since it's just a matter of preference. To me the idea of paying for sex is unappealing; I like the idea that the woman is doing it voluntarily. But then again, I've had hundreds of one-night-stands and I've never had sex with a prostitute, so who knows. Why pay for it when so many women are willing to do it…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:51 AM
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For me to care about false accusations MORE than real accusations, the percent of false ones would need to be a lot higher than 2-10%. That's not my question. I'm asking how many false accusations of rape, sexual assault, and/or sexual harassment would there need to be every year to care about it? Not to care about it MORE than some other issue, but to care about it at all. You have a black community with women and men where men are doing wrong. Therefore it isn’t about their race, it’s about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 10:46 PM
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Him being kicked out shows a lot of problems within the big D Democratic Party. Absolutely. They are very for the establishment. Purity tests. Anti progressive. They love their old dudes. I don’t think all Christians are represented by the Westboro Baptist Church. I don’t think all conservatives are represented by Laura Loomer. I don’t think all Red pillers are represented by Andrew Tate. A lot of people on all sides like to defend their side. They focus on the good and disregard the bad. And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:48 PM
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He says it right here: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/WI1LUjl5pQ “Its receptivity, openness, kindness, being generous and giving and being authentic and caring” I'm not sure what your point is. Do you disagree with something I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:31 PM
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But I really liked David Hogg. He’s definitely “on the left.” And he called out the left for looking anti male. And within 30 days of doing so, was pushed out of his position on the Democratic National Committee. So you could say it's the exception that proves the rule. My problem with a lot of this is lumping a bunch of people into a label. Ask 1000 self proclaimed “leftist” to define it in detail. Or insert any other label. And you’re going to have 1000 different answers. There may be some var…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:40 PM
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The Democratic party and their nutjob wing of their feminist base are not intertwined, not even close. Feminists constantly have dumbass policies that never see the legislative light of day. And they also have dumbass policies that DO see the light of day. For example California SB 826. I'm not sure how I would define "intertwined," but it's reasonably clear that feminists have a great deal of influence in the Democratic Party.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:12 AM
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WTF, equality isn't anti-man. In practice, it is. Because (1) invariably feminist demands for equality are made selectively; and (2) feminists typically state or imply or assume that disparate outcomes (which favor men) must be the result of unequal treatment. Your idea of anti-man is any time a woman gets a fucking job?! Umm, no? Interesting strawman though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:06 AM
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Oh but it’s supposedly ours? Umm, of course not? This may be hard to understand but (1) I asked for evidence for a claim which was actually made; (2) you asked for evidence for a claim which was NOT actually made. If you are not able to understand that distinction, I don't know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 10:35 PM
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I don't think it's all that popular a position. I myself have found cold approach to be extremely effective. For one, it has a low rate of success because you can't be certain if she has a boyfriend or you are her type. Sure, but in a big city it's possible to cold approach 100 women in a day. So that even if the chances of any one approach succeeding aren't that great, the ultimate chances of accomplishing something are often pretty good. Second, it is bothersome and women have made it clear th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:20 PM
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“Reducing inequality” isn’t just boardrooms, it’s wages, workplace safety, parental leave, healthcare access. Are they any policies which (1) are pushed by the Left; (2) are aimed at "reducing inequality"; and (3) which help men to the disadvantage of women? And you’re mixing up access with obligation. The whole point is giving women the option to work in coal mines, not forcing them into it. Well do you agree that the Left -- in general -- pushes for practices and policies aimed at putting more…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:11 PM
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Why do they need to do any of that shit? They don't need to do anything at all. I'm simply requesting that the person supply evidence to support her claim. If she won't back up her claim, I will draw my own conclusions. Can you name 3 prominent figures First quote me where I made a claim you are challenging; second advise me that you are skeptical of the claim; and then I will try to find evidence to support that claim. It's not my job to go looking for evidence to support some claim you wish or…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:37 PM
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Before feminism took root, were men never falsely accused to sexual assault? No. So what? The issue being discussed is whether men's lives are worse today due to feminism. Not whether life was perfectly just for men at some time in the past. Before feminism took root, were men never denied Jon opportunities? No. So what? The issue being discussed is whether men's lives are worse today due to feminism. Not whether life was perfectly just for men at some time in the past. Before feminism took root…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:34 PM
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Men aren't being excluded from those ideas. In practice, the way that a lot of Leftist ideas are turned into policy have a strong tendency to favor women over men. In any event, it sounds like you concede the rest of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:21 PM
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If false accusations were as prevalent as real accusations then I absolutely would care. How many false accusations of rape, sexual assault, and/or sexual harassment would there need to be every year to care about it? The majority of the rapists in Nigeria are black because the majority of the people in Nigeria are black. Black women are not participating in this violence but are instead being victimized. If white men, Indian men, Asian men, any men lived there and had no real threat of conseque…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:08 PM
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That all citizens should have access to those ideas. Men and women. I'm not sure i understand. What do you mean all citizens having access to wealth inequality? Can you elaborate? Men on this sub say that men are discriminated against because they die more on the job I think that's an oversimplification -- can you quote a few examples of this? attack the party that is trying to give more work place protections I guess you are referring to the Democratic party here. I think that a lot of men corr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:04 PM
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Universal access to healthcare, support for unions and worker rights, and using policy to reduce inequality. Not that complicated. Ok, I see. In practice "using policy to reduce inequality" is anti-man. Because it's pretty much always about putting more women in corporate boardrooms and pretty much never about putting more women in coalmines.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:58 PM
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So you prefer the good old days where women weren’t listened to To answer your question, I would prefer the good old days when women weren't automatically believed. I don't think there ever was a time when women categorically weren't listened to. That being said, the question on the table is what was men's lives have become worse due to feminism. It seems you do not dispute that increased risk of these types of false accusations is a way that men's lives have become worse due to feminism. The sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:54 PM
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Things like healthcare, labour rights, wealth inequality. What are the core Leftist positions on healthcare, labor rights, and wealth inequality?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:08 PM
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Not everyone on the left frames men negatively, and there’s a lot of disagreement within feminism itself. You’re acting like it’s one unified stance when it’s not. Well can you give me an example of something that IS a core part of the Left's ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:25 PM
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Can you legitimately tell me in what ways men’s lives today have become worse because of feminism? I know this question is not addressed to me, but I'll take a crack: Having to worry a lot more about being falsely accused of sexual assault or sexual harassment; Being denied job opportunities due to preferential treatment for women; Being denied entrance to university programs due to preferential treatment for women; Having your romantic relationships poisoned and undermined by the steady stream …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:23 PM
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Leftists call themselves the party of tolerant, good vibes and morality but in reality these things are only for women or minority men at max. Yeah, some people take shots at men, but that’s not a core ideology I tend to disagree with this, since feminism is a core part of modern Leftism and in practice feminism is anti-man. But I am open to being proven wrong. I challenge you to name 3 prominent people who are associated with the Left; and, in the last 5 years, have either praised men as a grou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:15 PM
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These comments are being made to slam men as a group because men primarily are responsible for sex crimes against women. Is it okay to slam women as a group for false rape accusations against men? I’m not sure what other groups you are talking about in that point so I can’t speak on that. I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that most of the rapists in this Nigerian city are black. Is it okay to slam black people as a group over this? Men do have a special responsibility if they truly car…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:37 PM
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honestly i think the women saying no are being dishonest. Well of course. Women normally give the most self-flattering answers possible to these sorts of questions. The thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the time, the woman is not consciously aware that the man's attractiveness (or lack thereof) is informing her thinking. She's at a bus stop; an unattractive man tries to start a conversation with her; she gets annoyed; and then she works backwards to construct a plausible self-flattering exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:25 PM
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I think that to a large extent, the concepts of "masculinity" and "femininity" are ways for society to push people into performing a role. "A real man would do X" or "It's not ladylike to do Y" play on peoples' innate desire to be true to their identities. None of this is necessarily a bad thing, of course. For it's future survival, society desperately needs men and women to behave in certain ways and those needs are different as between men and women. For me, the problem is that society is (per…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:53 PM
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Why do you get upset when women feel unsafe? I don't get upset at anyone's feelings. How could I? I am not a mind reader. I think the real question here is why I object when women express fear of men as a group; when they say things like "all men are potential rapists." And the answer is this: First, I don't necessarily object. For example, if I were discussing travel arrangements with a female friend and she told me that she doesn't feel comfortable on an airplane sitting next to a man she does…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:46 AM
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An acquaintance of mine recently got convicted for touching a 2 year old. That's the only predator I personally know. He was an outspoken feminist and LGBT rights activist. I would imagine people capable of being predators must also have some fucked up beliefs, but they often keep those hidden. I have noticed that people that go out of their way to virtue signal often turn out to be terrible, selfish people. Yeah if I were a psychopath and a sadist and a predator, I would definitely make a point…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:24 AM
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I associate anyone who uses the word bigot so often to cast away anything they don't like, a racist, sexist, and all the things they fill their minds with. It's their language and all they 'know'. It's interesting to note the dictionary definition of the word bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. Neverth…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:17 AM
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Just world fallacy at its finest. Yeah, anyway, I'm pretty confident that most RP men are smart enough to keep it to themselves in real life social situations. As far as "Most RP men are single," if one assumes this is true for the sake of argument, it doesn't necessarily mean anything since there's no way to separate out cause and effect. To illustrate, suppose 100 guys start their dating lives as blue pill types (since that is what society teaches). Of those, maybe 20 are high enough in looks/…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:11 PM
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I think a lot of the pushback comes from women not wanting to be analyzed externally. You dont want me to watch what you do, and break down your true motivations step by step Well, what I think it comes down to is that women are human and therefore an accurate description of their motivations, thoughts, and desires will necessarily have aspects that are unflattering. By contrast, women's self-descriptions of their motivations, thoughts, and desires are almost invariably self-flattering. So yeah,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:58 PM
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I can't speak for others but I enjoy consuming alcohol. Sometimes a full on meal seems a little too formal. If you are out having drinks, it's easier to cut things short or let things go longer depending on how things are going.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:37 PM
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Men like this seem to think humans are very instinctually driven. Later, they often try to suggest that men are capable of being more complex instead of emotionally/instinctually driven. That's pretty much been my experience. It's very unusual to meet a woman who is capable of critical or original thought. They want to continue to have the majority of the control and find independent women to be threatening. I find "independent" women to be more annoying than threatening. Because in practice, wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:00 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks that long-term monogamous relationships are overrated? I think they are overrated in the sense that Western culture has evolved to push people into these relationships. (Which makes sense, since it's much better for society if this is the general approach to sex and reproduction.) So yeah, they don't really warn you that you are sacrificing a lot of sexual gratification. That you are married to this person in the general sense of the word "married," i.e. you are stuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:00 PM
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Yes, you were the one who brought up the old man/child dynamics Ok, let's take age out of it. There's a young woman who is an aspiring actress, desperate for her first role. A young man who happens to work in the movie industry offers to help cast her in exchange for some sexual favors. They are both adults and everything is voluntary. So from your perspective, such a relationship is totally fair, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:51 PM
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But in context of dating, there is also clear power dynamic between average man and average woman. Woman has way more options, and possibilities than man. I agree. In practice, the "power" argument is just a way of disguising the fact that feminists apply their principles selectively, depending on whether doing so will favor men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:16 PM
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It [applies] when there is clear power dynamic. Ok, so if the woman in a situation has a clear power advantage over the man, then this principle would apply. Agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:12 PM
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Because we can see the obvious power dynamics and we know he’s probably using her and she’ll end up in poverty later in life. And this "power dynamics" exception -- does it apply in all situations, or only when the "power dynamics" favor the man over the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:51 PM
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It is fair in the sense that everyone (at least in the west) is allowed to date who they want, the only condition is the other person has to want to date you too. And yet for some strange reason, women freak out when a man in his 50s dates a woman who is 19.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:28 AM
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It's not exactly switching the subject, it's just that my opinion on it is different. I don't understand your point here. Let's break it down: Do you agree that in the situation I described, your typical woman will be offended? If your answer to that question is "yes," are you claiming the situation I described is not analogous to the one described in the OP? If your answer to that question is "yes," then how exactly are the two situations not analogous in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:38 PM
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I don't see how that invalidates my argument though Maybe it does, and maybe it doesn't. But if you want to change the subject and discuss something else, you should be very clear about it. e.g. "I agree that your answer to the OP is correct, however there is a different issue I would like to discuss."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:21 PM
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Sure, but I would like to say that the situation you described in the comment above is far from typical. So what? It's not a matter of timing, like it is for men because she is going to be sleeping with you eventually - and with timing, it can genuinely be circumstance In the situation described in the OP it's NOT circumstance. It's because the guy is not "hookup material." Here is an excerpt from the original post: +++ Since they argue that only the hottest men can get hookups. Men think that "…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 01:58 PM
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It is a hypothetical. Agreed. Although it's interesting to think about the reason nobody talks like that. And the reason is obvious: Any man with an IQ above 50 knows that if he says something like that, the woman is going to be extremely offended, probably to the point of ending the relationship on the spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:36 AM
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What if a guy used to take women out to Michelin-starred restaurants for first dates, but realized that wasn't working and was just attracting the wrong women, so he started out with something less fancy instead and saved the Michelin-starred restaurants for a relationship? If that were genuinely true, then I don't think it's offensive to a woman in such a situation. But so what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:34 AM
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And that's also good, because there are not men who would make my life better broadly available. Assuming that's true, it doesn't change my basic point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:31 AM
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Yeah? Men do that. All the time. It's barely talked about compared to the other way around Let's suppose that's all true for the sake of argument. The question remains: Would a typical woman be offended in such a situation. The answer is obviously "yes."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:29 AM
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Issue with this is it assumes men are ENTITLED to the same things as other men. Not any more than a woman is ENTITLED to the same things as other women. Also I don't ask about or try to obsessively compare how my parter treats me vs how he treated his ex's. Of course you don't. When I said "suppose you wanted something from your male partner," I should have said "suppose your typical woman wanted something from her male partner" In real life 99.9% of women would freak out if they learned that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:26 PM
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So why then are they offended if the women they are dating will not sleep with them fast (will not hook up with them), or tells them that she wouldn't of hooked up with them? Suppose you wanted something from your male partner, for example him to take you to a Michelin-starred restaurant for your birthday. And suppose he told you "Look, I did that for my hot cheerleader ex-girlfriend, but you aren't as hot as her so I'm taking you to Olive Garden. In another year, I might take you somewhere fanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:14 PM
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Why should we necessarily ask the 'guidance' of a man ? Generally speaking, men are less gullible than women and less easily swayed by the fact that a suitor is handsome, or a "bad boy" type, etc. I realize that almost certainly you will automatically reject my answer because it is unflattering to women as a group. But there's your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:43 AM
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It is hard because you’re trying to find someone who feel an emotional pull, chemistry, unusual level of attraction and connection to. But those factors interfere with rational computation. To whatever extent your experience of another human being is effected by emotion, it becomes proportionally less effected by logic I agree, and in fact there are traditional solutions to this problem. For example (1) waiting for intimacy until marriage; and (2) presenting potential marriage partners to one's …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:37 AM
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Women are looking for healthy food that tastes good. Well there are a couple ways to go about doing this. One way would be to look only at the tastiest most pleasurable to eat foods and try to find a healthy choice among them. Another way would be to look at the healthiest foods and try to find something among them that tastes decent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:36 AM
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And if none of those red flags exist and things go to shit anyway as is usually the case? As mentioned, this is the myth of the Master Manipulator. The seemingly good guy who skillfully conceals his true self until he has defiled yet another Maiden. In reality the Master Manipulator is just a feminist fantasy, created to let women avoid any accountability for repeated poor decisions. Almost always a bad guy displays plenty of obvious red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 05:11 PM
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You know I could gender flip this, right? To an extent, yes. There are definitely women who are the female equivalent of potato chips. And it's usually pretty obvious. And some men can't resist the urge to go for them anyway -- repeatedly. But there are important differences too: If a man in this situation publicly generalizes his experiences to trash women as a group, he won't be taken seriously in mainstream discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:11 PM
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What stats say less attractive men are much more likely to be solid relationship partners? Basic mathematics and common sense. (1) If an average woman dates a highly desirable man, it's extremely likely that the man's a player or worse. If he were a solid partner, he would just pair off with someone at his own level. (2) If the man is exciting because he's a "bad boy" type, it's kinda obvious (at least to men) that he's not going to be a solid relationship partner. Also, for the love of god, PLE…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:55 PM
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In your view, roughly what percentage of men are good men in the sense of being "appealing partners." In your view, roughly what percentage of women are appealing partners? Which raises the question of what those men mean by being good, if it's not really enjoyable. I would answer this question with reference to the grocery store analogy. Some foods, such as cookies, potato chips, and ice cream, are very enjoyable to consume, but in the long term are not very healthy. Other foods, such as fruits…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 12:29 PM
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They don’t come with labels, or guidelines it’s not reasonable to blame someone if someone they meet goes bad It's not a matter of blame, it's a matter of pointing out that the person's generalizations are incorrect. That they have an unrepresentative experience based on their own poor choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 12:11 PM
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It’s freaking impossible to figure out. I strongly disagree with this. There's the concept of a "red flag." So for example, if the guy is having child support garnished from his paycheck over an illegitimate child, that's a red flag. If the guy dresses or grooms himself like a mobster or outlaw biker, that's a red flag. Often just talking to someone, you can get a pretty good sense of the kind of person they are. Feminists have this fantasy of the Master Manipulator. The bad man who skillfully c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:16 AM
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At that, the metaphor kinda lost me... how does that relate to dating? I think if a woman is having difficulty making smart choices when it comes to men, often a good solution is to seek guidance from a father, brother, or trusted male authority figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:11 AM
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No I think compatible men for me were about 1% or less of the population. I think that's a different issue. If a woman says that 99% of men are not a good fit for her, I don't think anyone is going to object. But if she insinuates that some high percentage of men are bad people, that's a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:08 AM
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Thank God that finding a partner is as easy as reading labels! /s For most people, it pretty much is. Feminists have created the myth of the Master Manipulator who skillfully hides his true self until he has successfully defiled another Maiden. In reality, when a woman chooses the male equivalent of potato chips, 99% of the time it was totally obvious that the guy was bad news but the woman gave in to her base desires anyway. But rather than own her bad decision, it's easier on her childish ego …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 08:59 AM
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No, because they would be shit Tomato farmers trying to push a tainted product and advising wrong so people buy them and they’d get sued. I have no idea what your point is here. If a person repeatedly chose the lowest quality tomatoes, was repeatedly disappointed, and used that experience to complain about all tomatoes, would it be reasonable to point out that the person's experience is the result of their own choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 08:55 AM
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You'll never come up with an analogy they'll accept unless it's saying that all men are evil. I wouldn't go that far, but yeah, the obvious problem with my analogy is that it's not flattering to women. The problem women are facing is that (1) At this point, they can't really deny that it's extremely easy for them to find potential opposite sex partners; but (2) Nonetheless, a lot of women have various relationship problems. At the same time, it's unflattering to face the reality that a lot of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 08:48 AM
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Umm. women know a fuck boy when they see them but still choose to hook up with or date them. Yeah, 99% of the time when a woman gets with the male equivalent of potato chips, it's totally obvious what she's getting into.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:44 PM
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You pick a tomato because you want a tomato and you know what it tastes like, how you can cook with it, and even if it looked ok but when you got it home after paying, nobody would judge you for binning it if it was full of maggots. Ok, but what if you (1) repeatedly bought your tomatoes from the discount rack at the sketchiest store in town which is probably just a money-laundering operation; and (2) you publicly proclaimed that, generally speaking, tomato farmers are greedy sons-of-b*tches who…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:36 PM
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Yes, this is called dating, which is where your analogy falls apart. Food has the nutrition label before you take it home. Ok, so go on a few coffee dates before you "take it home" Or even better, just wait until marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:31 PM
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I’ve never seen a news story of broccoli or Oreos stalking, raping, or murdering a person because they were told no. Junk food is a lot more likely to kill you than any man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:27 PM
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It’s almost impossible to tell a good man from bad. That's complete nonsense. Most of the time, it's really not that hard to tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:26 PM
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No, people with experience and/or a decent EQ can accurately suss out the good from the bad, be it in relationships (with any gender) or in business or in platonic social interactions. Yeah, most of the time it's really not that hard to figure out if a man (or a woman) is bad news. Feminists have this fantasy of the "Master Manipulator," the man who skillfully hides his true self until he has successfully defiled another Maiden. In reality, men like that are pretty rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:25 PM
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I think the difference is that nobody is going to tell you upfront that they're loaded with sugar and trans fats. Usually it's not that hard to figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:23 PM
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Where's the nutrition label for partners? Usually it's not that hard to tell if someone is bad news. 90% of the time, you just need to ask yourself "does this person seem like he would be a good husband and father?" (or "does this person seem like she would be a good wife and mother?") Yes, I know that feminists love the trope of the Master Manipulater; the man who skillfully hides his true self until he has defiled yet another Maiden. But for the most part, that's just a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:23 PM
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In a grocery store the packaged foods are labeled. Ingredient lists. Nutritional information. Product weight. Possible allergens. Etc. There's this fantasy of the Master Manipulator; the man who says just the right things in order to take advantage of women; the man who skillfully hides his true self until he has successfully defiled yet another Fair Maiden. Yes, there are a few men like that out there, but for the most part, if a man is bad news, it's really not all that hard to figure out. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:19 PM
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How about men stop telling woman how they experience things and vice versa. That would be a tempting offer if society would stop trashing men as a group. So, if people analogize men to water in a swamp, it's completely reasonable to say "No, that's a bad analogy." If a woman perceives men as a group to be bad (and gives voice to her perception), it's completely reasonable to say "No, men as a group are NOT bad. Your experiences are almost certainly the result of your own bad choices and you shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:14 PM
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The problem is that chicken isn’t glamorous. It doesn’t feel special the way lobster does. I agree with this. Perhaps I am stretching the analogy too far, but there's not much of a problem with people buying lobster when they would be better off buying chicken. Why? Because lobster is expensive. So perhaps lobster is analogous to the man who is tall, dark, rich, handsome, etc. AND is a marriage-minded, family-oriented all-around great guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:08 PM
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I've cold-approached thousands of women in public and it was only a problem 3 times. Even then, it wasn't really a problem in the sense that there were any consequences. One time, the woman said something nasty to me. Two times, I was in retail stores and I was asked to leave. I think the key is to (1) just strike up a friendly conversation; and (2) keep talking if the woman is putting energy into the interaction, but otherwise just walk away. Here's an example: You are on the observation deck o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:43 PM
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Red and Blue pill treat dating like a linear game which can be 'won' by following a few rules. Reality is it's random, messy and misaligned with any consistent logic. You could say the same thing about everything in life which is dependent on human interaction. For example, getting ahead at work is random and messy. And yet you can greatly improve your odds by following rules such as being on time; delivering what you promise; and so on. Even if you do that, the company might go bankrupt and you…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:38 AM
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Are women supposedly overvalued and admired for existing, or are they constantly being told they’re average, replaceable, and not nearly as attractive as they think? I would say it depends what forum you are in. In general in life (public discourse, social media, most internet forums, etc.), women are wildly overvalued; a man will be banned or ostracized if he doesn't go along with the Women are Wonderful narrative; etc. But in a few dark corners of the internet, where men don't have to worry ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:46 PM
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It leaves my jaw on the floor just how casually these women admit to their willingness to promote boldface lying to their significant others about VERY important topics that form the foundations of romantic relationships (short/long term alike). For them, lying doesn't even seem like a last desperate resort. It's just a logical strategy to avoid accountability. Here's my question: How would these women react if they got into a relationship with a man and later discovered that the man had lied to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:13 AM
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You were the one who made the original claim about women being uninteresting. I made it clear that this was simply based on observation. You are the one who is making an argument based on external evidence. So let's see your proof. In other words, put up or shut up. (Although unsurprisingly, you have done neither.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:00 PM
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"obsessed" is an overstatement, but to answer your question: (1) it's annoying when a relationship is a constant power struggle. Here's a typical scenario: I am driving somewhere with the woman and she starts trying to back-seat drive, giving me suggestions on which route to take, how fast to go, etc. This is very annoying and I finally say "ok, why don't you drive, then you can take whatever route you want, drive as fast as you want, etc." The woman refuses, because she wants to control the sit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:45 PM
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What does one gender being “prone to” have to do with their access to political life? Men are “prone” to rape, mass murder, pedophilia, violent and non-violent crime, and most of the nefarious things that human beings do. Why shouldn’t those disqualify men from voting? If you can’t trust men not to rape children, what makes them competent enough to contribute to our government? To your second point, men have strong in group bias too. Most countries haven’t even had a female president! What do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:34 PM
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[self-serving drivel deleted] You have no idea what you are talking about. Let's do this: Show me some actual evidence to back up your claim. In other words, put up or shut up. (Although I have a feeling you will do neither.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:03 PM
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Pursuing education in philosophy, politics, or law sharpens critical thinking and demonstrates curiosity. Sadly, I would have to disagree with this. For a lot of people, it just demonstrates a desire for credentials.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:43 PM
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I'm not denying that women are NPCs but I really believe that in general most people aren't as unique as they think. Let's put it this way: Of all the interesting people out there, the vast majority are men. When a man wants to spend time with a woman, it's usually because of her sex appeal; the fact that it will boost his social status to be connected with a woman; etc. i.e. because she is a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:12 PM
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You man the challenge where you shifted the goalposts? I have no idea what you are talking about here. If you have a point to make, please just state it plainly. Please point out a single lie from anything I said Where did I accuse you of lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:08 PM
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The majority of students studying political science, philosophy, the arts, literature and law are women Sadly, just studying something doesn't make you an interesting person. It definitely can give you an overly inflated self-appraisal of your intellect, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:06 PM
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I see your point, but I would look at it from a higher level: If men were to focus more on women's personalities, the human race might very well go extinct. What I mean by this is that if you engage with women and get in the habit of not being distracted by their looks, sex appeal, whatever, you started to notice that most women fit well into the NPC meme: They are shallow and vapid; they don't think for themselves but just go along with whatever thinking is socially conventional; they have prac…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:45 AM
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My statement is the truth I disagree, but assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct, it's pretty clear that you have not satisfied my challenge. (Yes, I am aware that you weren't actually taking up my challenge but were instead just lobbing some ad homenim bulverism. For what it's worth, yours is the lamest ad homenim nonsense since I was in 4th grade and heard someone say "Yeah? Well your mother smokes cigars!!")
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:48 AM
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Red pilled men are low value losers who are typically ugly and choose the red pill because it allows them to externalize their lack of success with women I would say this statement definitely advantageous for women as a group. Red pill men regularly say things which are unflattering to women. Your statement puts such men in a negative light.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:44 PM
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FWIW, I would define the Blue Pill as "whatever is advantageous/flattering in respect of women" I challenge you to identify one assertion which (1) is commonly and typically made by blue pill types; and (2) is NOT advantageous or flattering for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:29 PM
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Point women make all the time, is if a guys is nice, he is likely to gain more access to sex and/or marriage, To an extent I agree with this, but I think it needs to be emphasized that this is rarely stated explicitly. Rather, it is constantly implied. Sort of the way that newspapers constantly lie -- not by printing explicit falsehoods but by juxtaposing truths while omitting context so as to give a false impression. Anyway, I think the key thing to keep in mind is that in practice, Blue Pill m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:20 PM
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I don't know if this story is made up, but I definitely get the sense that a lot of women have these sorts of double standards. I'm not a "Chad" type but I am in pretty good shape, I am Caucasian, and I find I tend to do pretty well with Asian women. I once had a fling with a South Asian woman who was in kind of an arranged marriage. (In the sense that she was introduced to a number of men who had been pre-approved by her parents and she ended up married to one where the two of them agreed to af…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:09 PM
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I would say that SOME men are the prize. There are plenty of men in their 40s and 50s who are in mediocre health; have declined quite a lot in terms of their appearance; and haven't accumulated much wealth or social status. I think that when red pill types claim that "men are the prize," what they are really saying is that "it's useful to think of yourself as the prize." Why? Because a lot of men have been taught by society to pedestalize women; to see themselves as pathetic worms with very litt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:52 PM
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There is wide spread support for the idea that women should not have a right to their own bodies…… I take it you mean that there is widespread support for abortion bans?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:11 AM
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Again, your premise is wrong. What premise?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:11 AM
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Do you really think it would be beneficial for the kids for the mom to keep the father around in those scenarios? No. To be clear, I believe that generally speaking, the situation I described is not beneficial. I concede that this is a generalization which is not correct 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:10 AM
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But everything you think about is only to roll back womens rights. Please show me where I stated or implied such. And that commenter is not me….I concede nothing as your premise is wrong. Then again my challenge: I challenge you to identify three widespread laws, rules, or social norms which (1) were widely adopted in the West in the last 25 years; and (2) are disadvantageous/inconvenient for women. Remember, I claimed that our society "our society doesn't like to adopt rules and norms which are…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:07 AM
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So, you are saying that because it was hard to pass laws that negatively impact women's health, that is evidence that society is biased toward women? Absolutely. Keep in mind that from the perspective of Oklahoma, anti-abortion laws are preventing the murder of large numbers of babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:01 AM
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I'm curious, what are you suggesting here? Are you saying that men should be punished for having several "baby-mamas", or somehow discouraged men from having multiple partners? What I am claiming is this: If we assume for the sake of argument that it's "fair" for every adult to have total freedom (both legal and social) to choose and define their romantic/sexual relations, it doesn't follow that such freedom is beneficial to the parties to such relationships; any offspring which result from thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:55 AM
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“Fair” doesn’t mean “everyone is required to make perfect decisions at all times.” Agreed. Are you claiming that I implied or suggested otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:51 AM
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Obviously fathers shouldn’t abandon their children. But you cannot entirely prevent that. Some people will always be shitty. Are you saying there should be more punishment for absent fathers? In this context, I'm not saying anything one way or another. My point is simply that total freedom (both legal and social) to choose and define one's sexual/romantic relationships is not necessarily beneficial for the parties to such relationships, any offspring who result from such a relationship, and/or s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:50 AM
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Beneficial to whom? At a minimum, it's not beneficial to the children of such a relationship, who will grow up without a father Nor is it beneficial to society at large, which will bear the negative externalities of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:44 AM
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How about abortion bans that are literally killing women... That's a good example of my point. In some parts of the Western World, such as Oklahoma, there is strong and consistent support for the idea that abortion is murder and should be outlawed. Even so, it took decades of activism, litigation, and a ton of blind luck (in terms of Supreme Court appointments) to get a ban into place. One can argue over whether such bans are "widespread," of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:42 AM
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Why do you want women to be disadvantaged? Who says I do? I want a set of rules and norms which are fair and beneficial to men, women, and society as a whole. It's impossible to strike a balance like that without having some rules/norms which inconvenience or disadvantage each group in some way. And I will ask you your own question back to you, in the west, what laws or even inconveniences to men? (Besides freewill to woman) I am happy to answer your question. But first, I take it you concede th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:34 AM
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Right now in the west, you are allowed to date whom you want, regardless of sex preferences, gender, class and race. The only rules are the person must be a consenting adult and want to date you too. How much fairer can you get? Certainly a decent argument can be made that this is "fair," but note that I said "fair and beneficial." Any rules enforced here will take away a persons personal freedom to choose Ok, let's suppose someone chooses to be a single mother with an absent father who has a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:27 AM
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I hope you have heard of the age of enlightenment, humanism, the call for "liberty, equality and fraternity" and all the many other aspects that form the foundations of modern western secular society. Indeed I have, and thanks for your concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:21 AM
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Our society doesn’t like to adopt rules that disadvantage/inconvenience women? Are we living on the same planet? Absolutely. And of course, it would be inconvenient for women if society were to recognize that there is a huge gynocentric bias. Thus the denial. But let's do this: I challenge you to identify three widespread laws, rules, or social norms which (1) were widely adopted in the West in the last 25 years; and (2) are disadvantageous/inconvenient for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:13 AM
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Men's challenge = Becoming selectable Women's challenge = Selecting well Probably based on a mix of evolutionary pressure from women's childbearing, competition between men, and the fact that both parents do ideally help take care of the kids. Mixed with the effects of culture and environment. In fact, even in cultures where men "dress up" more than the women (like Papua New Guinea, where men historically wear decorative clothing/makeup and dance while women evaluate them), it's still a matter o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:29 AM
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yes correct I understand your position but disagree. I've observed many loving relationships in which -- at some point in the past -- one of the relationship partners has done something harmful to the other. How long have you been in a long term romantic/sexual relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:54 AM
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I want to know your reasoning Ok. Women are significantly more vulnerable than men to emotional appeals, mass hysteria, and the like and therefore are more prone to making poor voting choices. (In ideal fantasy world, nobody who is this way would be voting, but in practice such a rule would be impossible to administer. But it's pretty straightforward to have a rule that nobody under 18 can vote and no woman can vote.) When women vote, it's unfair to men because women have strong in-group bias; w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:18 PM
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I agree to an extent, but I think you are omitting something important, which is that women have strong in-group bias. As a result, their advice to men is going to be biased towards what is more convenient for women, as opposed to what is best for men. It's kind of like asking a truck driver for advice on how to drive a car when there are trucks on the road. He'll have a tendency to give you advice which, if followed, will make life easier and more convenient for truckers even if it's not necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:22 PM
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Generally speaking, no. Women tend to react very negatively to any observation which runs counter to the Women are Wonderful narrative. In fact, that's the main reason I read and post here. It's one of the few places (physical or virtual) where you can speak the truth about men, women, and gender relations without being automatically silenced. It's nice to know that I'm not crazy and I'm not alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:06 AM
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…you do realize that you’re speaking out against your own gender right? Yeah, it's so unusual that when I read a comment in which a woman concedes ground on this issue, I think it's more likely than not that the poster is actually a man pretending to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 10:50 AM
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Why should women not be allowed to vote? Why do you ask? Are you genuinely interested in learning my reasoning? Or are you looking for a debate on the subject?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 10:15 AM
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I don't think so, I think once you want to harm someone there is no love So if you truly love someone, you will never even intentionally insult them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 10:14 AM
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[more evasion] Anyway, you have your answer to the question. Most women in relationships with men (actually, it's virtually all women) given the choice between doing traditional feminine tasks and traditional masculine tasks would take the first option, even if the total time spent is more. What's funny is that you don't even dispute this. Instead, you just bob and weave and evade, which leads to the question: What are we even arguing about? You asked a question; I answered it; and you are now d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 10:12 AM
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That it's disingenuous to say that generosity is masculine and that paying someone's admission to something that you invited them to is generosity (it's just manners). Umm, please answer my question: Are you disputing that paying for dates and such is a traditional expectation of men? Extremely simple yes or no question. Are you disputing that it's very common for women to want and prefer men who fulfill this traditional expectation? Extremely simple yes or no question. Are you disputing that it…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:22 PM
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Even though I think woman should not be allowed to vote, I disagree with this argument. If nothing else, it proves too much. Should disabled people be allowed to vote? People over the age of 80? People who live in Rhode Island? All of these groups would lose hands-down if there were a war against them. Besides, if there were an actual civil war in the US involving women as a group, I'm pretty confident that women would end up on the winning side. Either because (1) lots and lots of men would joi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 02:30 PM
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you cannot love someone and cheat Can you love someone and physically strike them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 02:23 PM
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That doesn't make generosity masculine. It's not really even generous to pay someone's way when you invite them to do something with you. I'm not sure I understand your point here. Are you disputing that paying for dates and such is a traditional expectation of men? Are you disputing that it's very common for women to want and prefer men who fulfill this traditional expectation? An aggregate of 22 studies with varying methods came out of Yale a couple yrs ago. What was the objective test used to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 02:19 PM
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When did generosity become masculine? Certainly in the narrow sense of paying for dates and such, it's been that way for as long as I can remember. Women score higher in measures of altruism. Based on self-reporting? Or actual objective tests? How come masculine tasks are the ones that are done very rarely, and feminine tasks are the ones that are done every day? I would have to disagree with your "very rarely" characterization. Although I would agree that domestic masculine-coded tasks tend to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 03:02 PM
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They want men to have qualities that they themselves don't have. I think this is not necessarily a problem since men and women are different and want value different things in their romantic/sexual partners. What's ridiculous (in my opinion) is when the woman wants traditionally valued masculine qualities (such as generosity) while at the same time she is OUTRAGED at men who want traditionally valued feminine qualities, such as agreeableness and submissiveness. We've all noticed that women have …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 10:50 AM
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Would you say that the men that want women to cook, clean, suck, and fuck are hypocrites if they can’t also cook, clean, suck, and fuck? I would say they are hypocrites if they won't pay for dates; jump start the car; etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 10:31 AM
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As the saying goes, if you give women a choice between dating a man who lives with his mother and dating a man who lives with his wife, most will take the second option. In terms of what's right and wrong, male infidelity is less destructive -- a man who cheats on his wife can still love her -- this is not so for wives who cheat on their husbands. Which doesn't make male infidelity ok, but it's not as bad as female infidelity. And in practice, most wives will put up with their husbands cheating …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:19 AM
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Where did I say I can tell 100% of the time? Right here: you’re assuming that beliefs don’t impact behavior at all, ever. By making this false statement, you impliedly claimed that it's all or nothing. Would you like to take this back and apologize?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:19 PM
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You really think that someone couldn't see right through you? Pretty much yes. I do reasonably well with women despite my red pill beliefs about them. I am careful to be tactful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:39 PM
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My entire point is that RP shit is unattractive. Unattractive when the woman learns that the man would rather walk away than put up with blue pill BS, sure. But anyway, I congratulate you on your 100% accurate psychic abilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:29 PM
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This is such a silly answer, because you’re assuming that beliefs don’t impact behavior at all, ever. I'm impressed that your mind-reading powers are so great that you've always instantly known a person's beliefs and have never been fooled, even for a moment, ever. Anyway, your self-serving anecdote actually supports the red pill not the blue. I wasn’t looking for a hookup . . . He let me know over text later that he felt “let down” about not getting laid right away, and that it made him feel li…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 11:24 AM
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You do realize that people can tell things about you based off of how you act, right? Sometimes they can, and sometimes they can't. I realize that Women of Reddit have super-sensitive personality detectors and always know if a man has ever said anything which puts women as a group in a negative light, but I'm talking about women in the real world. Like, I’m not talking about dipping when I hear a dude using some terminally online codewords And what exactly about how a dude acts lets you know tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 11:21 AM
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I just don't think women have these mind reading superpowers that can tell if a man is a womanizer or not. Even if he's not a womanizer, if he's red pill then chances are he knows not to openly share his red pill beliefs. But anyway, the question on the table asked for the best evidence to support blue pill beliefs. This individual answered that in her experience, when a man expresses red pill beliefs, she finds it to be a turn-off. The question has been answered, and unsurprisingly, the evidenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:26 AM
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Do you think you could tell if a man with red pill/black pill beliefs is only pretending to blue pilled in front of a woman? He doesn't even need to pretend to be blue-pilled. He can just refrain from using red-pill lingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:23 AM
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"generally speaking" does not mean the same thing as "all" You misrepresented my position in order to make me appear unreasonable. I don't engage with people who intentionally twist my words. Goodbye, liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:04 PM
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I've seen plenty of romantic relationships which are both cooperative and hierarchical. Well there you go. Of course not, so why hold the stance all relationships would flourish if the man took charge? Please quote me where I took such a stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:38 PM
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Women in my experience have a lot of problems with accepting generalities. Well they have trouble accepting any observation which is inconvenient or unflattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:55 PM
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I'll go with my own observations Great, although I have a sneaking suspicion that by some weird coincidence, your "own observations" just happen to be very flattering to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:49 PM
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A romantic relationship, yeah. I've seen plenty of romantic relationships which are both cooperative and hierarchical. The key words here are your general experiences, which are not universal. Agreed, I'm looking at relationships in reality -- not the fantasy relationships of the liars and larpers of Reddit. Simple observation only studies a small group, one so small it cannot be presented as data Nonsense. For example, based on simple observation, I've concluded that -- generally speaking -- wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:31 PM
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But most [Reddit] women [claim that they] don't want to feel inferior to the men they date Agreed. But I'm talking about actual women in real life. Not the liars and larpers of Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:28 PM
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I just analized what you said. Lol, nice Freudian slip there. You can admit that you feel the need to dictate every aspect of your joint life… Interesting projection there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:27 PM
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Ah...I didn't realize you were the authority on women. And if you haven't witnessed it, it must be true. If the choice is between (1) my own observations over many years; and (2) self-serving claims by Reddit larpers, I'm going with (1).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:26 PM
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First, the idea that attraction requires looking up to someone does not seem universal. Based on my general experiences, I would have to disagree. It's just one of those things that women deny because they think it puts them in a negative light. Any man who is serious about trying to attract women for a serious relationship needs to be at least the woman's equal, and ideally superior to her, in whatever it is she values. If she is money-oriented, he needs to have a higher salary. We've all seen …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:19 PM
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I love your theory that women who post on reddit somehow aren't real women. Thank you. But at this point it's more than a theory. Of the hundreds, perhaps thousands of women I have met in real life, I have never witnessed one jump start a car, change a tire on a car, etc. And yet when I mention this on Reddit, suddenly I am deluged by posts from women who claim to be first class auto mechanics. I'm politely trying to say that women of Reddit are larpers and liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:07 PM
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Babes, you might think all women are, I have no idea what your point is here, Ms. Reading Comprehension. Anyway, talking nonsense won't undo what you've said. Just admit you said something silly and apologize. The sky won't fall.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:04 PM
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Ew. I'm so grossed out by this Yes, of course. As mentioned, I wasn't talking about Women of Reddit. I'm well aware that Women of Reddit lack a hypergamy instinct; never shy away from responsibility; and are basically like the Strong Independent Girlbosses depicted in modern movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:02 PM
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I don't think I want to look up to a man. Yes, I know. As mentioned, I was talking about women in general in the real world -- not women of Reddit. I am well aware that women of Reddit lack a hypergamy instinct; never shy away from responsibility; and truly are Strong Independent Women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:00 PM
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Poor reading comprehension - Nice backtrack there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:30 PM
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The simple answer is that based on years of experience and observation, it seems that this is the way women are wired. (To be clear, I am talking about actual women in the real world. I am well aware that Reddit is full of Truly Strong and Independent Women with no desire or need for male guidance and leadership.) If I had to guess, I would say it's a combination of two factors: (1) The female hypergamy instinct: To be sexually/romantically attracted to a man, a woman -- generally speaking -- ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:28 PM
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That is the rule in my family and it is enforced by all of us when we drive. And yes I drive. Yes, I am aware that Reddit is full of Truly Strong and Independent Women Who NEVER Shy Away From Responsibility. You people are bizarre. Yes, from the perspective of Reddit fantasyland, women in the real world do seem rather bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:11 PM
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I am an actual woman and if I don’t like whats on the radiostation, I just change it. If the route „doesn’t work out“, I just take another. I pity your male partner. What this sounds like to me, is that you need to dictate even the smallest, inconsequential things in your relationship What this sounds like to me, is that you need to dicate even the smallest, inconsequential things in your relationship. by the power of your penis…….its the little things. Thank you. When a feminist says "But you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:09 PM
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what responsability is their to take for choosing the radio station or the route? I'm not sure I understand your question, but it happens all the time that decisions don't work out. You choose a particular route and run into heavy traffic. You pick a certain radio station and get bombarded with advertisements and lousy songs. When you make a decision and it doesn't work out, it's an uncomfortable feeling, especially if people around you face the consequences of that decision. In my many years of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:54 AM
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I think you make a good point, but I think there is more to the story. Here's a hypothetical to demonstrate: Suppose I am driving somewhere with my female partner and there is some kind of disagreement: What radio station to listen to; which route to take; etc. In that situation, what I will often do is say something like this: "Ok, you get in the driver seat; you can decide what music to listen to and what route to take and I will live with your decision." Essentially all the time, the woman wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:50 AM
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Then refrain from making shit up. I did not. I did. Are you not even reading what you’re writing and what I’m writing? No you didn't. And I do not engage with people who strawman me, i.e. people who intentionally misrepresent my position. Goodbye, liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 10:32 PM
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Nice try leaving that part out. Kindly refrain from accusing me of intentionally quoting you out of context. You think going on an expensive date shows love for a woman Please quote me where I stated or implied such. Failing that, please apologize and admit I said no such thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:22 PM
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Where did I say that? You guys assume most men do the things Im talking about. They dont. Here is an excerpt from your OP So yeah, I’ve come to realize that most men’s definition So yeah, I thought that when you said "most men," you were talking about "most men." This subreddit. What exactly about "this subreddit."? Oh. Prostitutes and sugar dating. I don't understand your point at all. In my experience, when men hire prostitutes, they are pretty open about the fact that they are seeking sex wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:05 PM
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It sounds like your position is that most men who claim to want romantic/sexual relationships are lying about it. They just want sex. And my question is this: Do you have any evidence to support this? Because it looks to me like you just hate men so you assume that men, generally speaking, have bad intentions. For example, if what you were saying were true, you would expect that -- generally speaking -- men would invest very little in their sexual relationships with women. Once they've gotten wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 01:35 PM
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I just wanted you to clarify the why of your statement but you sound already quite agressive Yeah, it's hard for me to believe that you are asking in good faith. Let's do this: Make your best guess as to what my point is and summarize it in your own words. I'll let you know how far off the mark you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:46 PM
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I recall in class I was grouped up for an assignment with a 21 year old dorky guy and a 45 year old 'alpha' mature age student who was very wealthy. The 45 old would constantly try to tell me about his ex- wife, how he doesn't like women his age and tried to invite me on his private boat. To be frank, I was not impressed and found his conversation topics boring and mundane, aged. On the other hand, the 21 year old guy and I would look at memes together and be almost falling off our chairs laughi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:37 PM
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so you have no legitimate argument and thus whine instead If by "whine," you mean pointing out when people misrepresent my position, then yes, I'm whining. Of course I have a legitimate argument however I do not engage with people who misrepresent my position. Feel free to have the last word as I am blocking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:34 PM
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Sorry I didn’t get that part. What do you mean? What about what I said is unclear? Do you understand what the phrase "promiscuous lifestyle" means?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:31 PM
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First off lol @ equating anything other than a "traditional male led relationship" with promiscuity First off, nice strawman. Second off, Sorry, I don't engage with people who use these sorts of tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:30 PM
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To my understanding, on social media, hypergamy describes when women seek to marry wealthy/rich/powerful men, the top 5% of men if you will. I would define it a little more broadly than that. For example, if a woman of average physical attractiveness finds only 10-20% of men to by physically attractive, I would say that's an example of hypergamy. But anyway, I agree that there is a sort of complimentarity between the female hypergamy instinct and the male polygyny instinct. Which kind of makes s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:21 PM
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It’s because the deep down the blue pill is just whatever benefits women most. I basically agree. Suppose someone made a post along the following lines: "Dating a woman who already has children is simply a bad deal for most men" I wonder how blue-pillers would react to that. Edit: To be clear, I think that the blue pill is "whatever is perceived as most convenient/favorable for women" which is not quite the same thing as "whatever benefits women most." For example, it's pretty clear that in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:03 PM
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All things being equal, I agree. But (1) all things are never equal; and (2) when it comes to choosing a partner, we all must compromise. By the way, imagine if someone made a post along the following lines: "Dating women who already have children is simply a bad deal for most men" or "Dating a woman over 40 is simply a bad deal for most men" Both of these claims could be defended with the same sort of logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:02 PM
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Well go ahead and admit it and we'll find out Sorry to disappoint you but I find women 22-29 to be most attractive and do not find women under 20 to be appealing. I don't feel like lying for the sake of science, but if you want to experiment with your own account, feel free. Just state that you once felt attraction to a person under 18 and we will see what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:14 AM
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Would a man really get banned from this sub for stating that he found some 17-year-old girls sexually attractive but would never act on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:26 AM
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But most men will never experience this. It’s a non-issue. For what it's worth, anti-male prejudice bothers me, even if I am not directly affected. But it must be nice for you to live a life where bias and prejudice bother you only when you are directly affected. And the small percentage of men who can get a younger woman to fuck them, are too busy getting fucked to care. Until some sort of dispute arises and they discover that all of society is biased against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:58 AM
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Incorrect. It's actually the greenest flag there is for LTR material. Yeah, I think most men are completely fine with "I want to wait for marriage" provided that the woman does not have a past. And if a man is not okay with it, he's very likely someone you should disqualify for that reason alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:48 PM
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Even if they acknowledge the power imbalance there's nothing they can do about it I can think of one thing they can do: When a man dates a much younger woman, don't assume (and publicly state) that there must be a power imbalance in favor of the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:47 AM
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To the extent you are saying that a romantic relationship is more than just sex, of course I agree. But I think it's wrong to claim (or to give the impression) that a romantic/sexual relationship is fundamentally the same as friendship. There are a lot of men out there with plenty of platonic friends who would also like to have a girlfriend. Claiming that such a relationship is fundamentally the same as friendship gives men the false impression that they just need to make friends with women and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:37 AM
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“Emotional labor” doesn’t exist. I think it's a matter of semantics, but I'm pretty confident that if (1) one were to define "emotional labor" in a fair way; and (2) accurately and fairly measure peoples' emotional labor, it would become apparent that men do significantly more emotional labor than women, just like men do more (and more demanding) physical labor than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:23 AM
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This isn't fully gender neutral. The expectation to be stoic and mentally stable in a romantic relationship leans disproportionately towards the male side I agree, but I think it's worse than that -- our modern feminist society tends to minimize, dismiss, underestimate, and invalidate the burdens men tend to face while doing the opposite for women. In my opinion, it's very toxic. Women are constantly being told that they are the ones putting the majority of time and energy into their relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:19 AM
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I wonder how many men there are who would regularly cold-approach but for the fact that such men have heard that it's unwelcome/inappropriate. I know about Rule 1 and Rule 2, but surely Rule 3 is "don't take women too seriously." At least in the United States, if you see a woman you find interesting and attempt to strike up a friendly conversation with her, it's very unlikely anything bad will happen other than you being rejected. It's true that some women complain about this sort of attention, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:08 AM
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Not OP, but once I had a some women tell me they would go on dates with guys they found unattractive so they could get together and laugh about it afterwards. Would you consider that toxic? Probably yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:40 PM
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I mean my dad died before I met my husband, and I have no brothers, the male cousins are all significantly younger than me(I'm talking 16-24 year age gaps) and my uncle's I don't think would be into that as it's not our culture for the adult men to pick for her. He just needs family approval I have no idea what your point is here. I'm certainly not claiming that a woman ALWAYS has a trusted male family member to help out with these sorts of things. At least in the West, of course. Apparently in …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:32 PM
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Are you being serious? Fathers abandon their kids all the time, or the father could be deceased, or maybe abusive himself. I just saw a headline of a dad that raped and killed his daughter, and cut off her hands. While this isn’t common, let’s not pretend that everyone has a father they can count on. Yes, but I think you misread my post. I'm saying it's pretty unlikely that a woman would have no trusted male relatives whatsoever - no father; no brothers; etc. My friend asked her pastor about her…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:36 AM
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What about the women that don’t have trusted male family members? It seems pretty unlikely that the woman would not have a father; not have any brothers; not have any male cousins; etc. That being said, a woman in that situation should find a trusted male authority figure such as a pastor, rabbi, or other clergyman. Someone who has been happily married for many years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:19 AM
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I think you need to define "toxic" and provide some examples. That being said, I agree that society tries really hard to justify and defend female behaviors where the equivalent behaviors are criticized and condemned when men engage in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:13 AM
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Knowing that hvm expect to have sex by 3/4 dates I don't think that's necessarily true. If (1) the man is looking for a long term committed relationship and (2) he genuinely perceives that the woman has never been intimate outside of such a relationship, it's highly likely that he will be fine with waiting. That being said, there is a simple, traditional solution which is to have the man meet a trusted male family member such as a father or brother and follow the advice of that family member. On…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:05 AM
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I would say that in general, most people on Reddit are more about virtue-signalling, status-seeking, karma-whoring, flexing, and so on, than actually helping. When I ask questions online, it's extremely common to get (1) nasty responses from folks who insist (almost always incorrectly) that the information I am seeking is easily available somewhere; (2) nasty responses from gatekeepers who insist that my question is inappropriate for the forum; (3) nonsense from people who obviously have no idea…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 04:39 PM
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Based on my impression, I would say that most people (both male and female) by some combination of instinct and societal teaching buy into the "penis as defiler" was of thinking. From this perspective, I think it makes sense that straight men are far more repulsed by the idea of male/male homosexuality than straight women are by female/female homosexuality. (It is also consistent with the observation that men are more into women than vice versa.) It is also consistent with my observations -- I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:07 AM
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Why do red pill men or more broadly manosphere men complain so much The answer is that men DON'T complain very much. If you open up mainstream newspapers, websites, etc., it's 99% devoted to women's complaints, women's grievances, women's problems etc. Men who publicly complain are mocked, ridiculed, and dismissed as losers and misogynists. In a few dark corners of the internet, men do complain, but apparently even that counts as "so much."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:45 PM
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I disagree. Women are more harshly judged for our sexuality In theory, this shouldn't be too hard to test. Just pick a relationship advice type forum and present two scenarios under two different user names: Scenario 1: "I am a middle aged man who has been married to the same woman for many years and I have lost a lot of the desire I once had for her, even though she is otherwise a good wife. Now that our children have left for college, I am thinking about leaving her for a young woman I met who…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:09 PM
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"Be a boring suit" isn't helpful advice. That may very well be true. I'm not sure I've ever seen any advice like this from red pill types. But assuming I have, the problem (apparently) is that it's bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:55 AM
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It seems like men’s need for novelty, sexual variety, and attraction to much younger women makes it borderline impossible for them to stay genuinely committed to one woman and still feel satisfied. To an extent I agree with this. Both male and female sexuality is incompatible with the ideal of lifelong monogamous marriage. In fact, that's why we have marriage in the first place. If man were a pair-bonding species, there wouldn't need to be laws and customs to encourage people to get and stay mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:52 AM
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You know why that is the case? Because women face the social consequences when a place is not perfect. Thanks for providing a great demonstration of women's allergy to responsibility and accountability. The fact is that if guests come and see that your residence is less than perfect, nobody is going to take you out and shoot you. The worst that will happen is some snooty people will have a laugh at your expense. one being scrutinised nice use of the passive voice, by the way. And by the way, it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:34 AM
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Hmm maybe they can stop living together that might be for the best. Maybe so, but that's a separate issue. I'm just pointing out that there is this sexist assumption that a wife, and not the husband, gets to determine the appropriate level of cleanliness for a shared residence. In fact, it's a good example of typical feminist hypocrisy. Women want traditional sexism when it's convenient for them, e.g. the assumption that the woman (and not the man) should get to decide the appropriate level of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:49 AM
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Maybe separate bedrooms can help them. That way she has a place that's exactly how she likes it. Except that there is also a shared dining room; a shared living room; a shared kitchen; etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:15 AM
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If the redpill wants to claim to be more, it has to actually be more. Red pill philosophy is definitely "more" in the sense that it contains suggestions which are different from advice offered by other philosophies. But there's no rule that there can't be overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:14 AM
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Two adults sharing a home who disagree on what level of tidiness is acceptable doesn't mean that one is making a servant of the other. Agreed. If the complaint is merely that the woman is uncompromising in her standards of tidiness, say that. I think I made it reasonably clear in my example that the woman expects her standards of cleanliness to control. But to the extent it is not unclear, that's what I am saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:11 AM
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Oh ok, blue pill claims democracy so if you're against blue pill, you're against democracy. Sure -- if (1) the Blue Pill were commonly understood to support a certain type of government; and (2) the Red Pill were commonly understood to mean rejecting the Blue Pill in all respects, then yeah, a follower of the Red Pill could reasonably be understood to be rejecting that form of government. But (1) is not true and (2) is not true. I'm simply talking about Red Pill and Blue Pill as those terms are …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:07 AM
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Red pill does not get to lay claim to common sense advice. Why not? I'm certainly not claiming that TRP or any other philosophy "owns" the idea that a man can improve his chances with women by getting in shape. Red pill did not invent that. Again, so what? There's no rule that says a philosophy cannot incorporate ideas which are already out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 08:28 PM
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Things like AWALT, dread game, the prevalence of shit testing, women being the oldest children in the room . . . That's what TBP rejects. Sure, because all those things are unflattering/unfavorable to women. TRP can't claim getting in shape or even holding frame as unique to their brand. So what? There's no rule that every element of a philosophy must be unique. It's what makes TRP the RP that TBP opposes. i.e. TBP opposes TRP to the extent it is unflattering/unfavorable to women. It doesn't see…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 08:25 PM
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The issue with redpill advice is that "stylish" is always one-size fits all. That may be so, but it's a separate issue. Heck, some red pill advice might be flat out wrong. But I don't think that really matters in terms of defining the red pill. Which, as I see it, focuses on giving advice in order to improve a man's romantic/sexual success with women, even if that advice is unflattering/unfavorable to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 08:19 PM
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Definitionally, blue pill is anything that’s not red. I would have to disagree with this. For example, a common piece of red pill advice is that in order to have more success in attracting women, a man should get into good shape and start dressing more stylishly. Ok, what's the blue-pill view on this subject? If blue pill means "not red pill," does that mean the blue pill advice is that it doesn't matter if the man is a fat slob? At least in practice, I would have to say the answer is "no." It s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:26 PM
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do you have any thoughts on that answer, because I keep seeing "blue pill is just about disagreeing with red" and it comes off as very disingenuous from bloopers, including the mods who wrote that sidebar text on their subreddit To some extent, it's a matter of semantics. But I think it's pretty clear that blue pill thinking is not just rejection of red pill thinking and vice versa. Here's an example: One common piece of red-pilled advice is for a man to get in shape and start dressing more styl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:23 PM
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I would define "blue pill" as a collection of mainstream beliefs about men, women, and romantic/sexual relationships which are mainly concerned with flattering women and serving women's perceived interests. For example: (1) When it comes to dating, women do not prioritize looks, money, or social status. They do put some value on these things, but what's most important is a man's "personality," for example if he is a good listener. Among the most unattractive personality traits is if a man is a "…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:58 PM
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So he's a messy arse who expects his wife to exist in mess because he won't do his share? Sure, as long as it's the wife who gets determine what is an unacceptable "mess." And that's exactly why the wife's expectations are consistent with the man being a servant. Edit: In fact, your post is a great example of my point. Different people have different opinions as to what is an acceptable amount of clutter and time between cleanings. A lot of people assume, consciously or subconsciously, that a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:28 AM
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How about a compromise? People are free to organize their relationships any way they want. I'm simply making reference to a common phenomenon. For example, I know a married couple which has a professional cleaner who comes once a week (effectively paid for by the husband). The man is content to let things get cluttered during the week while the woman wants things clean every day. The woman is resentful that the man is "not contributing his fair share to keeping the house clean" or some such. In …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:34 AM
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Why do you consider contributing to cleaning the house you live in to be like a servant? It depends on who sets the standards of cleanliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:09 AM
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Is it just misogyny? Pretty much yes. Keep in mind that in practice "misogyny" means "anything which is perceived to be unfavorable to women or which is perceived to put women in a negative light." For example, there is red pill principle that a man should keep his investment in a woman to a minimum -- in terms of time, energy, and money. Obviously this is going to be perceived as unfavorable to women and therefore misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:28 AM
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It seems to me that such an approach leaves men open to being scammed. What's to stop a woman from pocketing the deposit and either ghosting or showing up to the date in bad faith, i.e. with no serious intention of forming a romantic connection with the man or even considering the possibility? Presumably you don't care about this because you look at things only from the woman's perspective, but for the app to work, men's voluntary participation is necessary. Why would a man leave himself wide op…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:22 PM
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