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I need to be with people like us, it get lonely in ocean full of people different from you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:44 AM
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How do we get out of lefty hipster IQ
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:33 AM
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I guess i n their perception normie ones are the hot sex positive women. Probably because we spent most time talking to women on this subreddit as opposed to women irl
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:27 AM
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> Dating for marriage and kids is the default social script. ​ There are articles and books like sex at dawn writing about extinction of commitment culture and monogamy. So many people saying casual sex is natural monogamy isn't. My old proffessor even said that monogamy won't exist in future. Not to mention people screaming divorce stats all the time couple with what I said above instilled a fear inside me. yes I am young
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:19 AM
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It has been made clear to me the kinds of women they talk about are sex positive women. I think they just have hard time finding women who are similar to them since bars are seen as main avenue for relationships within adults
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:12 AM
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I am just pointing out my observation man. You disappointment me yet again. Is it even possible for you to say something without mocking or is that like something you are born with? You sound really pathetic now
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:10 AM
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> Notice how you didn't address the point? Seems like you know I'm right lmao. A woman may cheat on her man with Henry Cavil but not the 250 pound neckbeard gamer. That's not "if they want to cheat on you, then they will". THEY CHEAT BECAUSE THE INCENTIVE AND SETTING IS TUNED. This what people of purple pill and other subreddits do they avoid the content of our argument and parrot their rhetoric over and over again
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:06 AM
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Its because these people believe our social environments don't influence a behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:03 AM
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Clubs are hot spots for single people to meet other single people for sexual and romantic purposes. To be honest its mostly about having similar values and life style. I don't want to date women who go clubbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:00 AM
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There are countless article talking about how common hook up culture. Hook up culture is not just casual sex but social narrative that all young adults are incapable of commitment so they need to sleep around to get out of system then settle down in a monogamous relationships https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2022/11/its-college-everyone-is-hooking-up-truths-and-misconceptions-about-hookup-culture-at-brown https://www.thecut.com/2017/08/why-dating-in-your-20s-is-terrible.html https://www.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:57 AM
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for once I agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:43 AM
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Why do you think its silly? is it because it goes against your sex positive beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:41 AM
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Is mocking me the only thing you are capable of doing. if so its kind of pathetic don't you think. As an adult shouldn't you be more mature than this. I find it disappointing that I met people younger than you who are way more mature than you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:40 AM
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who cares if you are insecure or not all humans are insecure no matter how much they hide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:38 AM
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Yeah I agree with you definition actually you make a good point so I will use value instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:37 AM
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Why can't there be a community for that though? Can you cite me an evidence claiming half population follows commitment culture narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:36 AM
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You didn't really understand my post though its not about just getting into committed relationship. Its not just getting into relationship its specific narrative and philosophy. Why can't we have our own community, why doe sit bother you so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:34 AM
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how so, I don't really see it in my opinion. The closest thing is the monogamy subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:31 AM
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Thats why I am here to find people to collaborate with so we can structure our ideology together in a more cohesive way
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:29 AM
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Are you a therapist? How are values and boundaries different in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:28 AM
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I truly hope she finds someone else because op deserves someone better than her in terms of compatibility
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:24 AM
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Look man here is my advice, controlling is a problematic behavior but the thing is you don't have to date her though. This important all men and even women need to hear. Our insecurities are more important than a romantic partner. If a partner fails to respect and empathize with our insecurities dump them. Liberal society is demonizing insecurities more so than the problematic behaviors that are associate with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:22 AM
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Yeah this what people actually mean so they should say ultra sex positive liberal women rather than western women as whole. Like hello there are cool traditional women in the states.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:20 AM
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not all young people like to go to clubs for fun they might prefer coffee shops or other avenues not related to drinking
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:18 AM
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I thought the western modern women that they talk about are usually referring to specific type of women than a broad generalization
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:15 AM
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He could just break up with her which I would do if I was in his shoes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:12 AM
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what is a modern western women though?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:11 AM
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You are correct but we can break up instead of control people instead correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:10 AM
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How have you been living in commitment culture? Whats wrong with trying to make an online community
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:59 AM
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You are just a bully who has not grown up there is no need for you to mock me as I did not shame or judge anyone. You feel the need to mock me is pathetic and juvenile. Why don't you touch grass. Before you say I should, I am on a self improvement journey, going out, working out, and writing a story.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:55 AM
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I have a blogger account and I have a note application called Obsidian which I will aggressively recommend to others. Its such a great application with endless possibilities. I talked to a women on reddit who actually gave me ideas of what commitment culture could look like but I kind of forgot some of the details. Like she suggest we have more swinger's clubs like the classical ones featuring swing dances. Picnics as opposed to expensive restaurants and making gifts instead of buying gifts. I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:53 AM
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I knew people like you will come here
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:42 AM
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wdym
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:41 AM
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I knew I would get these aggressive comments, I know people like you hate the thought of us coming together as a community. I have not attacked anyone in my post and made it clear I don't want to judge or shame anyone. Why does this post trigger you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:41 AM
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I know you told me to get off reddit but I want to make cathartic posts here before I ask the mods to ban me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:31 AM
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This is one of the best answer in this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 01:29 AM
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I mean in the very early dating stages I get it, you don’t really know the person and it wouldn’t be smart to cut off other possibilities yet if you have them. But after you’ve been dating a while and are pretty sure you want things to go further, I agree. But this can overwhelm some people though like remembering dates and plans and it can cut down hobbies and other activities with friends and family. I personally don't want to date with a women who dates differently from me like having multipl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:15 PM
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This I agree but I don't see men discussing this. Men believe high ncount women are less value. It depends on the crowd you talk to since from my understanding redpill have been hijacked by grifters looking to make money. But I have met kind redpill men who do care about women and can argue in good faith cigarettes are bad for your health sex is not, in fact it's the opposite (if done safely) Sex can definitely be harmful even if done safely, people are exposed to STD and even pregnancy as well.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 06:40 PM
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Yeah this is exactly what I am talking about, if a culture has to demoralize it's consumers than the social narrative it tries to sell is sus
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:34 PM
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https://www.mywellnesshub.in/blog/flirting-or-just-being-nice-heres-how-to-find-out/#:~:text=A%20friendly%20look%20always%20stays,a%20certain%20interest%20in%20intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:30 PM
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promiscuity" is a word that's used only by guys who care about ncounts. It's an insult. What's wrong with caring about sexual values though if men don't want to date women who have casual sex or had casual sex shouldn't that be fine. It's not about ncount but more so sharing values of sex and social narratives when it comes to romance. I would argue it does promote promiscuouity in my opinion. It's the same thing that cigarettes promoted in the past as a sign of freedom. They promote sex outside…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:22 PM
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Being nice to someone is not flirting though and making people laugh is not flirting my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:48 PM
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She did not say objectifying she said promiscuouity and hypersexuality. These are things sex positivity advocates for in a women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:41 PM
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Why isn't exclusivity not the default though if people are monogamous why not just start out monogamous? But you people sort of shame people for wanting exclusive right off the bat right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:27 PM
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But feminism is encouraging those behavior in women with movements like sex positivity
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:56 PM
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Then we won't duh, we have no obligation to date women who go to clubs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:54 PM
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It's best not to date these types of women in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:51 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:51 PM
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Flirting is technique used to attract a romantic partner
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:49 PM
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Or we can just not date people who go clubbing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:46 AM
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Why isn't emotional cheating not considered cheating in your eyes? Why does a man need to flirt with girls when he has you? To say just going somewhere that's more likely for hookups = cheating, that's just a slippery slope argument. I don't think going to bars is cheating but it's a place that makes me suspicious along with other behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:45 AM
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We live in the age of ambiguity, uncertainty, and fleeting nature in modern era
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:34 AM
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monogamy as something owed to them after a period of promiscuity This is the social narrative that is pushed out by hook up culture. It says young people are incapable of love due to career instability and needing sexual variety so they need to have casual sex. Once it's out of their system and found stable career then they settle down
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:32 AM
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It's poly by definition especially when you are having sex with multiple people at once at the initial stages of dating. Enforcement is something small like telling a friend who dates differently than you that they are wierd or strange. I am just making a general statement not directed towards you. To show you my thoughts
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:28 AM
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Yeah but don't enforce your polygamous dating standards to other people. If people want exclusively from get go then that should be ok
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:19 AM
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Yeah but he had intention of cheating on you with her though right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 12:27 AM
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Bad faith actors tend to downplay these intimate interaction so they can take advantage of you. People need to definitely improve self esteem so they don't get gaslighted. Some feminist do down play this and make it into a social justice rhetoric to make them seem like they are in the right. Men gotta warn other men about these emotions manipulation strategies
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 12:08 AM
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I think most people would assume that if they are on a first date especially If they met on an app that they have been on other first dates and are actively dating. I don't date on apps or irl for matter so I wouldn't know I see what you trying to do here and I don't buy it and it's a terrible excuse. Sleeping once on first date is a put off for me and other men like me let's try not to weasel from this. We should be able to vet people without judgment
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 12:04 AM
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I love your analysis it seems to be accurate from what I have read online and talked to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 12:02 AM
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Why do you need to make a distinction though? Form is observable while content isn't though that's why they believe in form over content.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:57 PM
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One at a time- dating is already slightly overwhelming in itself lol Comparatively multi dating is more overwhelming than not. Yeah I’m thinking from a practical sense because for me when I was still dating most first dates would go no where, the ones that did progress to a second date would naturally cool down the frequency you see other people. I never did have multiple second dates lined up but did have a few first dates lined up. Even at this stage people should have their boundaries. Like i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:55 PM
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I actually agree with but many of the people here will disagree with you and insist that people cheat in other places. But bars are hub for single people to meet though and that doesn't mean people can't cheat anywhere else but the social connotation of bars, so it's natural to assume that where people go to cheat. But we need research done to show where people cheat more so we can only assume for know. I agree with you that cheating starts of that flirty phase and cute interactions. Like a guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:51 PM
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For strangers though it makes no sense. Why waste your own time not messaging other people/ setting up other dates if you don’t know if the first date will even go well? If it does great you can gracefully bow out of the other ones if you feel your connection is strong already but if it doesn’t why start the whole Process from scratch? Because it could feel overwhelming keeping up dates and schedules with other people and could cause analysis paralysis. Being exclusive from the start is not indi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:44 PM
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I don't think it's immoral but it's not something I would partake in or be with someone who does. I guess it's more of a mainstream thing I suppose and I am not mainstream
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:29 PM
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I actually have not thought about that honestly but I guess that would be more applicable to complete strangers than someone in your social circle. But I usually don't here casual dating in that context though. It's usually seen as way to explore diverse set of people to find out what you really want or some rhetoric like that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:23 PM
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Yeah but the thing is being exclusive does not mean commitment though. You can still be exclusive and start out less attached and build up that attachment. But overall modern dating society needs to accept diverse dating strategies as diversity is good in this department instead of having monolith norms. Not everyone wants to be polyamorous from the get go and work towards monogamy and that should be fine
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:22 PM
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It depends on the back story. What if they were friends before hand, what if they were family friends, sibling of your close friends, or someone you see regularly at church or community organization. Not everyone you date is a complete stranger
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:19 PM
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So, to answer your question, it is because masculine spaces more aggressively police and purity test masculinity than feminine spaces, as such, queer men are less likely to feel safe exploring their sexuality. Bi men especially can just leverage their ability to be attracted to both men and women, to just exclusively date straight and never come out of the closet or admit to anyone that they are also attracted to men. That's interesting but that still begs the question why is society fragile abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 09:22 PM
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That's interesting analysis, I did not know that about left handed people. But this all does make sense actually. I wonder why bisexual men are more stigmatized
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 07:02 PM
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Finally someone who understands the environment influences human behavior. It could also explain why homophobia was stronger when gender segregation was norm
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 06:45 PM
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There are queer theorist who believe everyone or most people are naturally inclined to believe humans are bisexual or sexual orientation changes. So it's not just religion trying to change people orientation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 06:19 PM
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Why do you think more people bisexual though?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 06:08 PM
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That's is true you and I are not always right but the fact that we look at larger sociological and cultural factors beyond my free choice or muh human nature is more than refreshing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 10:02 PM
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You are by far one the most intelligent person in this subreddit. That's because you analyze human behavior from sociological perspective rather than a liberal perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:28 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:10 PM
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Not necessarily since the biggest egg laying animal were dinosaurs and they still layed relatively small eggs. I will be honest I have not done research in pregnancy but I think it's worse in humans due to walking up right and our spines couples with being a placental mammal so if there is a way to work around it it could be much better
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 08:38 PM
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Do you think that humans started with a dating culture or romantic relationships? Dating and romance are relatively new concepts. There was arranged marriage or the father chose the husband. There are still countries that allow forced marriage. Wow, how romantic and sexually appealing. Can you provide any related studies or articles that say what you mean instead of saying I don't see why we can't apply a to x? I showed you proof that teen hormones make them horny and that teens and even preteen…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 08:28 PM
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I think single men would want to advocate for an artificial women since paternal certaintity is guaranteed from the get go. In a post capitalism society these technology will be made to the public so that would solve the issue with it not being open to public due to costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 07:14 PM
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How is radfeminism different from liberal feminism in this context
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 07:11 PM
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But what about laying eggs or giving birth to a joey in a pouch like our marsupial cousins
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 07:10 PM
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Interesting, I hear that people need to experiment all the time from liberals
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 06:43 PM
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You sounded so upset about this lol. An adolescent's interest in a sexual relationship is also influenced by the hormones. It says influence not the only thing contributing towards sexual behavior found in teens. Here's a medical article saying that kids develop their and explore their sexuality between 9-16. They don't really define what it means to explore sexuality and go on to list porn as a sexual activity. So with that in mind they can include masturbation as sexual activity as well. But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 06:42 PM
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So are you saying you don't need to experiment to figure out what you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 05:05 PM
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I whole heardly agree with everything you said. I think it's important for kids to learn to love when they are young. Even if they break up they will have practiced skills that will help aid them in future relationships. I believe that fomo is not natural as liberals would like us to believe. I strongly believe is amplified through consumerism and technology. When people grow older they learn that bonding overtime is great indication of love as opposed to the instant butterflies in stomach. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 05:03 PM
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You've moved on to making up shit that was never said by me? Okay then. Continue to argue points that you make up for yourself. What else did I say in your head? I didn't say you I said you said I just said it's anti romance to spread ideas about this. It's just a generalization that I hear often and I would consider it anti romance. I don't understand why you are being aggressive here. Impossible. You said they're not interested in their sexuality. You can make whatever excuses you want. Teens …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:55 PM
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The average isn't indicative of all teenagers from all types of schools though. Even if people loose their virginity at that age it could be due to being in romantic relationship, people lying, and unfortunately due to pressure or coercin. There people out there like me who couple sex and romance so there is that. It's anti romance to spread ideas that teenagers and young adults cannot handle serious relationship especially when resources to improve relationships skills and emotional regulation …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:16 PM
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I was a romantic when I was a teenagers and a bunch of my classmates coupled up. My friends were romantic or never displayed interest in sexuality. If generalizing men and women are bad then why do we generalize teenagers to be certain way when. Disney shit can be real it's just you don't want it to be real. It's all goes back to the anti romance trend going on in modern capitalist society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:00 PM
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Equality under the law is the only one I care about
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 05:04 AM
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This what these guys do they just project a boogey man onto us to seem superior or something when in reality it shows they have nothing to offer than their imagined ego
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 01:06 AM
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Bro he is reading way too much into it, shining example of virtue signaling and whit knight behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 01:04 AM
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It's just weird they phrases it like repent. My bad I didn't read your comment properly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 10:17 PM
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Isn't that still generalizing though?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 09:54 PM
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Wait you are not the original comment I responded to
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 09:24 PM
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Yeah values can change but it's rare though. A sex positive women who values sex outside of romantic relationship is not going to change into sex neutral women who values sex only in romantic relationship. I did negate to mention that it's not just value but attachment to specific social narrative of finding partners. If they don't share this attachment to the social narrative in addition to sex then they are filtered out Actually a lot of people keep values the same for their entire life such a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 09:14 PM
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There is nothing to forgive though it's not a moral judgement it's about shared values. If you had sex outside of romantic relationship that's because you value sex differently than me. It's not that you are a bad person for having sex outside of a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:56 PM
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Yeah but you are excluding an entire group which follows definition of generalization. It's not a bad thing I am just pointing out the logical inconsistentency in your argument
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:53 PM
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Because it's not about the actual body out like these red pillers like to believe. It's about how we value sex and our attachment to specific social narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:59 PM
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But you are making a generalization by not wanting to date a certain group of men though. Why else would you refuse to date virgin men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:53 PM
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I agree that blaming women for their dating problems is problematic and incorrect but when we blame external forces people get just as mean and vile towards. Like when I complain about think tanks who write about extinction of monogamy or hook up culture people just resort to adhominens and projecting boogey man onto us. I have only had few good faith discussions around this topic
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:22 AM
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Multi dating startegy is just polyamorist trying to get monogamous people that's it. They use rhetoric we need sexual variety or we feel FOMO or whatever rhetoric they use monogamous people to conform to their lifestyle. There shouldn't be monopoly of dating style there should diversity of different dating styles. Progressives preach about diversity, why not diversity of dating culture
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 04:51 PM
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Yeah that is exactly what I mean
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:11 PM
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But I’ll keep it to this. If you cannot find anyone who meets your standards you should re-examine your standards and consider why you can’t find someone who agrees/meets them. I agree with this but in a different perspective. Instead of introspection analysing the cultural economic environment will tell a bigger and better story on why it's hard to find a partner with similar values. It's in all our best interests to want to be within a community with similar values and norms. Us complaining ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 07:41 PM
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You have to seek out partners that share your values and preferences, not continually lament to the internet that the world isn’t conforming to yours. But it is in anyone best interest to want to be in a community where people conform to their standards and preferences as that makes it easier to find a compatible partner. But there is also another aspect to it is that there are think tanks who theorize about the extinction of monogamy, paternal certaintity, and cultural meaning of sex who provok…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 07:13 PM
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It seems hook up culture is pretty prevalent with young adults so I guess that's where she and I are coming from
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:00 PM
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So people should not have any intentions or expectations of wanting a permanent relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:57 PM
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You are just projecting a boogey man in my opinion. To me she is just arguing that intentions matter and she doesn't see the point into getting into relationship with intention of leaving. I don't get it either but you people do you ok
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:53 PM
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You are just strawmaning this person here. Are you mad that someone has an opposing value to yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:28 PM
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Things don't just go away for no reason, we live in a cause and affect world. Something has to cause for something to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:27 PM
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You make presence sound like it's not happiness or can't be happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:26 PM
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True champion of commitment culture
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:25 PM
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This my opinion but people who are against ideas like this to vet out cheaters are usually either cheaters or potential cheaters. People who complain about people complaining usually do so because they benefit from the things people complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:15 PM
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I am all about suppressing cheaters and having strict age vertifications
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:09 PM
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These women are using feminism to justify their blatant islamaphobia and racism. They are excusing imperialism with feminism that's all. Next thing you know they will excuse cheating with feminism which they already doing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:23 PM
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But those women won't care if monogamy goes extinct
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:21 PM
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I call cap
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:17 PM
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This one of my great fear that cheating is going to be normalized = "it's my body and I do what I want even in context of monogamous relationship, it's not against the law to cheat and shouldn't it's expression of individuality"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:17 PM
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