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Being hookup/FWB material is better than being husband material. Hookup/FWB material guys have the option of becoming husbands. But husband material guys don't have the option of becoming hookup/FWB guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:26 AM
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In an ideal world, everybody would have an ideal life and dating experience. But it's just not possible for everybody. This is true. I'll go one step further and add that not everybody gets to date. Like how not everybody gets to see or walk. Life can be heaven for some and hell for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 07:11 AM
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Do you not see how many below average men are dating above average attractive women out in the world? Just out on the street? You think that because women tend to exaggerate the beauty of other women (perhaps because of all the make up) while downplaying the guy's attractiveness. In reality, men date below their looksmatch. That's why it's very common to find short women with tall boyfriends, or chubby women with fit and muscular boyfriends. But you'd be hard pressed to find too many beautiful a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:45 PM
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Do Some Women Avoid Being Open About Physical Preferences on reddit? Yes. Because they think choosing a man for his physically appearance is "shallow" or something. Women choose guys they are attracted to and later explain their attraction by attributing it to a personality trait. "I like him because he really makes me laugh :)" No. You like him because he's 6'1 and has a face and physique that you find physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:08 PM
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Attraction is multifactorial. Better looks = more attraction. Better personality/fun to be around = more attraction. Attraction begins with looks. Because the first thing a woman notices in a guy is his looks. And only after he passes her looks test will she even care about his "personality". If he's too ugly for her, he's out of the picture and his personality will not matter at all. If a woman has to choose between a handsome but non-fun guy and an ugly but fun guy she'll pick the first one. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 12:24 AM
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Bullshit. What's bullshit is the idea that she was attracted to him just because he was fun to be with. In reality, she was physically attracted to him, which, from her perspective, made him fun to be with. So then how come short people are fucking and getting into relationships by using engaging in these same, time-tested mating behaviors? Nobody is saying short people cannot fuck or get into relationships. It's just that they have it harder and experience more rejections than people of average…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 07:48 PM
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Okay, so what's your point then? Attractive people have more opportunities? Not only do attractive people have more opportunities, but one's dating success is determined by their looks first and foremost. Yes, she would. Unless she is also into those hobbies, in which case they wouldn't be "incompatible Hobbies don't matter when physical and sexual attraction is established. If a woman meets a man she is physically and sexually attracted to, she isn't going to then reject him just because he has…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 07:44 PM
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Cool cool...he can "attract women easily." OK, and? She talks to him for 5 minutes, realizes he's an awkward nerd with incompatible hobbies, and then what? She loses interest. If he was tall and FACIALLY handsome, she wouldn't have lost interest. And him being an awkward nerd with incompatible hobbies wouldn't be an issue at all. Does it really make you feel morally better to declare that women are shallow because he got 2 seconds of attention from her before she moved on? Women aren't shallow f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 06:22 PM
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Yes, fun flirtatious banter and the ability to share a laugh with someone is universally attractive behavior. She found him physically attractive, i.e., she thought he had a nice face and/or height. It had nothing to do with his behavior. If a short and unattractive man displayed the same behaviour, i.e., flirted with her and nudged her playfully after making raunchy jokes, the outcome for him would be entirely different. Except nice guys literally don't do this. I know. But what if a "nice guy"…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 06:19 PM
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No, he was average. And that's the point. His height didn't save him. Ok. I never made the claim that simply being tall attracts women easily. I specifically said tall and handsome (i.e., facially attractive). So there were 2 conditions to be met. You just gave me an anecdote guy who was just tall (but not facially attractive) which is completely irrelevant to my original comment. I guess you missed the part where I said he looked like a Muppet? His musical talent put him in social settings, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 06:15 PM
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"I flirted with her, and nudged her playfully when I made a raunchy joke" is not asshole behavior. What if the nice guy flirted with her and nudged her playfully when he made a raunchy joke? she is letting him because she is having fun with him. And she's having fun with him because she finds him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 05:55 PM
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The tallest guy in my high school Was he also the most handsome guy in your high school? Ironically, one of his friends in that group was 5'8" (so, not necessarily short, but certainly not tall) and looked like a muppet. But he had tons of girls looking to be his friends, and a girlfriend That's because FACIALLY he was better looking than his tall friend. It has little or nothing to do with his musical talent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 05:49 PM
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Exactly. It's so ridiculous when commenters say one personality type is better than another when it's LOOKS that determine dating choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:01 PM
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On what evidence do you base this statement? On the self-evident fact that looks matter the most when it comes to dating. What makes you think a short and unattractive man has a decent chance at dating success in this age of dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 11:07 AM
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The biggest problem keeping so many people single is simply that there is a lack of a social continuity post-college/high school Attractive people aren't affected by a lack of a social continuity post-college/high school. They easily find partners. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 08:48 AM
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That's the only reason, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 08:34 AM
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I don't think you have a good understanding of what critical thinking is You need to understand that "critical thinking" can lead to conclusions other than the ones you've arrived at. and I see you didn't see the link I attached either I didn't see the link because of the way you presented it -- "You want clarity? You want to know how media warps your view of dating and women? Start here:" -- like you're some enlightened guru whose job it is to teach lesser beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 08:29 AM
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Why Most Men Who "Give Up on Dating" Are Just Reacting, and not Thinking. ... The men who claim they’re “done with dating” usually have one core problem: a total lack of critical thinking. No real analysis. The only men who give up on dating are those who've accepted that they are unattractive (and therefore, low-value). 30 years ago, they could have found someone in their league. But in 2025, where women have apps to find attractive guys, the low-value guys are basically invisible or worthless …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 08:00 AM
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"This tall and handsome guy is too shy. I'm going to go for this short ugly guy who is assertive" -- Said no woman ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 06:43 AM
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An Assertive dirtbag is much better than a super shy guy. What if the "super shy guy" is tall and handsome and the "assertive dirtbag" is short and ugly? Would women still go for the assertive dirtbag?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:56 AM
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This is why dark triad men get so many more dates than 'sensitive' men An unattractive "dark triad" man isn't going to get more dates than a "sensitive" man who's attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:35 PM
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Cold approaching only works if you’re physically attractive. If you cold approach as an average-looking guy, most women won’t even give you the time of day. If you're unattractive, there’s no clever line, joke or combination of words that will make a woman suddenly feel attracted to you. The idea that women will suddenly stop what they’re doing and engage with a random average-looking guy just because he said some words is pure fantasy peddled by pickup artists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:42 PM
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Sure but there is no objective point where someone can be finally considered “attractive.” Because there’s conflicting variables. There's a whole science behind what makes a person attractive. IMO attractiveness is a spectrum. At one end of the spectrum are those who are objectively more attractive than others. This is true for men more so than women. That's why conventionally attractive guys all have similar facial features regardless of race or ethnicity -- strong jawline, "hunter" eyes, thin …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:04 AM
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Would your goal be completed if you were able to go on a bunch of first dates that went nowhere? No. But I'd have solid proof that I'm attractive enough to get a bunch of dates. It would only be a matter of time before I find someone who clicks with me. Much better than being rejected for looks and failing step 1 over and over. Or that she was using the date as a way to get to know him? You know, the thing that dates are for? Same as above. Getting a "let's get to know each other date" is infini…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:33 AM
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But a man could never know what the threshold is for any random woman Women generally like attractive guys. A hundred handsome men will each be attractive in their own way, but the bottom line is that they're all attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:20 AM
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Companies shortlist candidates on the basis of their qualification, and then select one on the basis of how well he performs during the interview. They won't give people they deem unqualified the time of day. Women shortlist boyfriend candidates on the basis of their looks, and then select one guy on the basis of his personality. They won't give men they find unattractive the time of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:15 AM
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One person's 6 might be another person's 8. But it's unlikely that one person's 1 is another person's 10. Correct. That's what it means when people say things like "looks are subjective".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:11 AM
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Yeah, but from her perspective does it really matter that she goes on a date with a dude if he has a shitty personality and it goes nowhere? In the bigger picture it doesn't matter if the date goes nowhere. The dude with a shitty personality has what it takes to get dates. It's also significant that she (the woman in your scenario) went on a date with someone with a shitty personality. It indicates that she placed more importance on his looks than his personality. If anything, it's personality t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:07 AM
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Most important doesn't necessarily mean the first thing she notices about you though Your looks determine your chances of success with a woman. It just so happens that it's the first thing she notices about you. the thing that makes her keep seeing you. Or the thing that makes her fall in love with you Those are also based on looks. She'll want to keep seeing you or fall in love with you only after you pass her looks test. It's logically impossible for her to reject you on the basis of your look…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:52 AM
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What does most important mean? "Most important" would be the first thing a woman notices about you -- your looks (face, height and physique). It's only after you pass her looks test that she evaluates your personality. If you fail the looks test, you're out of the picture and everything else you have to offer wouldn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:21 AM
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But surely, they see things beyond those eventually, right? AFTER you pass a woman's looks test, she'll evaluate your personality. But if you're not attractive enough for her, she'll reject you outright, and even if your personality is great, it won’t matter, because you failed the first round.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:34 AM
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People can have emotions around sex but to claim one is 'lonely' solely due to a lack of sex while denying there are any feelings involved and even that the women they want to sleep with don't matter to them at all as human beings, is quite dishonest or a misuse of the word lonely It's understood that there are feelings/emotions involved around sex. It doesn't need to be spelled out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 10:43 PM
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But so many of these individuals insist they only want sex. Ok. So what's so wrong with a man wanting sex? On a related note, there was a post a few weeks ago on another subreddit in which a woman said she was in trouble with her conservative religious family because they discovered she was having sex with her boyfriend. The people in the comments offered her support saying "sex is a natural human need" and that the woman's family was in the wrong for trying to control her sexual desires. Were t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 08:51 PM
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While I know there are individuals with these feelings, there's also a plethora of posters claiming the term purely for their sexual wants while insisting they have a socially active life with friends and family When a man says he's lonely, he's obviously referring to the lack of romance (and by extension, sex) in his life, not the absence of friends or family. Let's not be pedantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 08:38 PM
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Blue pillers live in reality where adult men function as adult men and don’t need to be explicitly told for 10 years every single day that looks matter. Blue pillers don’t coddle. Blue pillers live in real life. Blue pillers are the ones pushing the "looks don't matter" narrative. Blue pill women are the ones pushing nonsense like "I don't care about looks, I want a guy who can make me laugh". So, no. Bluepillers are not living in real life. They're lying to themselves and others. Even if it wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 08:34 PM
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everyone assumes physical attraction to their partner is a part of dating, romance, relationships, etc. no one is going around saying they fuck and date ugly people because they are nice. What people say and what people do are two entirely different things. Even though people select their partners on the basis of looks, they still say "looks don't matter" because they have this weird assumption that dating only those they're attracted to is shallow or whatever. I'm not saying they're being decep…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 06:32 PM
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Do women actually act cold towards men they have a crush on while acting flirty with men they have no interest in? That happens only in a parallel universe where reality is the exact opposite of what we know.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:43 PM
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What part of a man's personality are women attracted to? His face, height and physique. Those are the first three things women notice about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:38 PM
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I respect all people regardless of their gender, race, religion, ethnicity etc because that's how I was raised. But your post (especially the part that I quoted earlier) makes a lot of sense to me and I might have to start rethinking everything I was taught.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:36 PM
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It’s not a fantasy world it’s called not living on a rock and having basic common sense. If YOU weren't living under a rock and had some basic common sense you would have known that "looks don't matter" is mainstream advice. That's why things like redpill and blackpill are gaining popularity. Because they're direct responses to the bluepilled mainstream narrative of "just be confident and funny bro". It's also why the blackpill is controversial -- because it teaches that looks matter above every…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:26 PM
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“just respect women and maybe you will date one” is poor dating advice because it perpetuates an “action-reward” that directly ties to dehumanizing and removing agency Then it follows that men have no reason to be respectful of women. So yeah, let’s stop pretend that being good increases your odds in finding a girlfriend/wife/etc. I've been saying just that for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:17 PM
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"No one has ever said looks don’t matter at all" That might be true in the little fantasy world that you've created for yourself, but in the real world, every man has heard "looks don't matter, personality does" over and over. It's simply too well documented to be denied. If you must lie and gaslight, at least do so in more creative ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:54 PM
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In this clip a woman is just sharing a cute business casual outfit that she put together. It's under the hashtag #OfficeSiren Cool. And if an unattractive male co-worker gives her what she wants, i.e., attention, she'll complain to HR about how she was sexually harassed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:03 PM
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No, women do not prioritize looks just as much as men During their 20's and even 30s, i.e., their prime years, they absolutely do prioritize looks as much as men. It's only when they want to settle down do they look for the nice guy with a stable career. I know plenty of ugly sales guys who have wicked hot wives. Ok. But how ugly are they? There are guys who are average looking and are seen as ugly next to an attractive man, but some women find them attractive. So it's kind of relative or subjec…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 11:47 AM
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Mainstream ideas do not state that looks don't matter at all. I'm sorry, Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but the idea that looks don't matter is a mainstream idea. Saying "but but nobody ever said looks don't matter" is a pathetic lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 11:36 AM
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Nobody ever said looks don't matter! If you believed that, you are homeschooled/socially stunted/on the spectrum" is just the newest tactic of PPD women, because not even they cannot keep up the narrative of women's magnamity any longer. Thus they resort to gaslighting now. The very same people would never have said that 2 or 3 years ago. But people like you and me know it's bullshit. Back in the days, even something simple like "I'm 5'5 and that hurts my chances with women" was considered crazy…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 11:35 AM
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Were you home schooled? Most guys learn looks matter by grade 7. You sound like you were home schooled. Or maybe you are still in school. Because "looks don't matter" is something every man with real world experience has heard over and over. That's why things like redpill and blackpill exist. They're direct responses to the bluepilled mainstream narrative of "just be confident and funny bro". You probably know all this already, but are pretending otherwise just to win an argument on an internet …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:46 AM
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Whatever physical defects you have CAN be offset by sufficient success. Period. It depends on how bad the physical defects are. If it's acne or hairloss, there are treatments. If it's being overweight or underweight, diet and exercise can help. But some dudes have problems that are so severe, nothing can help them and no amount of success can make them attractive in the eyes of women. So it's kind of dishonest to tell them that their defects can be offset by sufficient success.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:40 AM
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That's absolutely not a mainstream idea that "looks don't matter". "looks don't matter" absolutely is a mainstream idea. That's why ideas like redpill and blackpill are gaining popularity. Dudes are sick of being lied to over and over. because women prioritize status more than men, who prioritize looks Wrong. Women prioritize looks just as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:35 AM
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Is sex a physical act? Then a woman needs something physical that she finds attractive. Is making love a mental act? Then a woman needs something emotional that she finds attractive. Critical thinking would have led you to this conclusion. Yes. Physical attraction matters. I never denied that. And my critical thinking is fine, thank you very much. I'm saying that the mainstream denies that looks/attraction matters. (<--- I put this in bold so you, who obviously struggles with basic reading, can …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:33 AM
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You're the one that lacks critical thinking here. Plus you have a bad memory.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:20 AM
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What i see as the mainstream idea is looks aren't everything, but there has to be something that the woman finds attractive physically. Woman's attraction is rather responsive, but a physical quality is needed. That's a black pill talking point. The mainstream idea is that looks don't matter at all and that a nice personality (charm, confidence, humor) is all that is needed to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:17 AM
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Guys have heard "looks don't matter, just be confident" in the mainstream for years and years. It's a little late in the day to start denying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:12 AM
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Men embrace redpill because mainstream advice is dogshit To be fair, redpill advice is also dogshit because it teaches that looks don't matter and that if you're successful enough or charming enough, you'll be able to attract women regardless of you how you look.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:08 AM
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Here are some mainstream ideas You'll have a hard time dating if you're obese or pencil thin. You'll have a hard time if you're very very short. You'll have a hard time if you have disabilities or mental problems. You'll have a hard time if you're butt ugly. The most popular mainstream idea is that looks don't matter at all and that women go for charming funny confident guys regardless of how they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:05 AM
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Why men who provide security are boring ? Because they usually aren't very good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 02:48 AM
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I don't even need to chase women to get their attention. That's nice to hear. So just "go your own way" then. And if women give you attention, just tell them you're not interested because you're going your own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 08:06 AM
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Men need to go their own way until women fix themselves. You wouldn't be saying that if you had the ability to attract women into your life. The only men who will "go their own way" will be those unattractive low-value men who were sent their own way by women. Sexually successful men aren't going to abstain from sex and "go their own way" simply because the bottom 20% of men are struggling with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:39 AM
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Women have made it very clear that they hate being approached No. They hate being approached by unattractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:49 PM
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They are horrified by sex and disgusted at the idea that women care about sexual attraction. Who is "they"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:01 AM
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no its not. But it is true. Attractiveness can make up for misogynistic viewpoints. If you actually had character you'd realize that bigotry is horrible, and attractiveness is less important than a person being insufferable to be with Whether something is true or not has nothing to do with character (or morality or whatever). It's either true or false, regardless of whether it's morally good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:00 AM
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Yeah the bluepill men here might think "Kind and respectful" means “neutered and asexual”. But I was using the terms "Kind and respectful" in the way they are generally understood IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:58 AM
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Is he just a misogynist with no possibility of ever changing for the rest of his life? No. There's no possibility of changing for the rest of his life. See the thread title -- "If you had a son and had to choose between two futures for him, would you rather he be tall & good-looking, sexually successful, but misogynistic, OR short & unattractive, romantically unsuccessful, but respectful toward women?" You're being presented with two possible futures for your hypothetical son. And you just get t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:56 AM
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In the OPs question, you had to choose between two possible futures for your son.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:45 AM
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It may be shallow, but it's true to a large extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:38 AM
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He can learn to stop being misogynistic No. In the OP's question there are only 2 possible futures for your son.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:36 AM
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I would have been gutted if my parents didn't want to talk to me. 🤷 If you wouldn't be bothered by that, that's a "you" issue. Except, YOU said earlier that your hypothetical son (A) "won't be welcome at family functions". So, it's YOU who is perfectly fine with cutting off ties with your hypothetical son just because he holds certain views.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:34 AM
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I love the lore about this mythical Chad you people are so in awe/envious/terrified of. He's not only a giant jerk who throws women away like takeout containers The thing is, he exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:08 AM
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Put yourself in his shoes. You're having the time of your life, constantly being desired by beautiful women while also satisfying all your desires with them. Would you really care if your parents don't want to talk to you? I doubt it. lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:07 AM
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Well you are wrong about guy B. My brother is like him and I have some male friends like him and they do not ‘always seek female companionship’, they just focus on their passions life. FYI, a lot of unattractive guys give up on seeking female companionship and focus on their passions. (Attractive guys also focus on their passions but that's just a bonus for them.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:02 AM
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Women similar to me would eventually be attracted to him because I would never fall for guy A. The OP says about B -- "He will spend his entire adult life in loneliness, always seeking female companionship but repeatedly failing".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 11:55 PM
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but this hypothetical is saying that he will be ugly with absolutely nothing. I didn't say anything about how either son would fare in other aspects of life. But just for you, let's say both A and B become successful millionaires. The only difference is that A is handsome and romantically successful, while B is unattractive and romantically unsuccessful throughout his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 11:51 PM
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A's life would be much easier, not just in terms of dating, but in general. But if he insists on being a turd, he won't be welcome at family functions He'd be too busy enjoying life to care about not being welcome at family functions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 11:47 PM
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Cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 11:31 PM
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You can ask a follow up question after you answer my question. Or did you not really mean it when you said "I’ll answer if you answer..."?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 11:28 PM
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Would you choose to have an ugly, fat, romantically unsuccessful spinster daughter or a hot, slutty misandrist daughter who enjoys committing paternity fraud, gold digging and accusing men of rape ? I'll choose to have the ugly, fat, romantically unsuccessful spinster daughter. It's infinitely superior to the other option.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 11:25 PM
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What kind of behavior are you classifying as kind and respectful? He'll do things like give up his seat on the bus to a pregnant woman and give in charity to homeless women etc. IDK if that counts as "simping" in this sub though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:40 PM
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Please list examples of this vs. what you mean by "a bit misogynist" See the edit made to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:28 PM
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And with B, the concern is that he is a pariah and he'd end it all. That'd be devastating as a mother. No. He'll just spend his life doing normal guy things like playing video games and watching shows and working on his career. Except for dating/romance/sex, his life will be as normal as anyone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:27 PM
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It just means he's kind and respectful, as those words are generally understood.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:25 PM
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Being respectful toward women is often described as putting her needs above his own IDK who describes "respectful" that way but a guy can be respectful towards women without putting her needs above his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:15 PM
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vs. an uggo son who's spineless. Why do you think being genuinely kind and respectful towards women (as described in the OP) amounts to being spineless?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:07 PM
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Describe what “a bit misogynistic” means? He believes women aren't as smart or capable as men. He also thinks it's okay to pump and dump women who genuinely liked him, (perhaps because he knows he can get with any woman he likes). He also looks down on women who are not his looksmatch, for example, if a woman is slightly overweight, he'll be rude to her and address her by nasty names.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:05 PM
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That he was depressed, that he felt ugly, unwanted, and ignored. That redpill content IS falling into the hands of children like him and stoking fires that otherwise might not ignite. When it comes to dating and relationships, ugly men ARE unwanted and ignored. That's an observable fact. People can deny it all they want and claim "confidence and personality" matter more than looks, but the ugly young men who've been rejected over and over know the score.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:25 PM
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In this clip, an American woman living in France talks about her recent first date with a guy there. The date was going well until it was time to pay. Then he requested separate checks! She confronted him about it and he said he'd pay fully for the next date. But after the date was over he leaves her on read.... He sounds like someone who can effortlessly get women. That's why he can afford to not be a "gentleman" (whatever that means). But don't worry, all the women he's pumped and dumped will …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 08:34 AM
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many women do and always have married repulsive men for money, comfort, and security So becoming old makes a man repulsive? It's probably true in the eyes of a younger woman. Either way, a woman will not go for just ANY repulsive man. She'll go for only the wealthy ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:31 AM
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Would you date a trans woman that passes well? No. I'm straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:08 AM
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How else do you explain people who’ve had no success in dating gaining success in dating? What exactly do you mean by "gaining success in dating"? Are you saying they go from being repeatedly rejected to becoming repeatedly successful in dating? Because that very rarely happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:58 AM
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You can be super confident when it comes to your career, but that confidence won't always carry over into the realm of dating and relationships. Confidence in dating comes from past accomplishments in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:11 AM
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Ask Noor and Al Pacino. You think she’s turned on by ratty hair and liver spots? No. She married him for his money. It happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:10 AM
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What if she finds you repulsive or stupid. Is that fine so long as she hides it? Women won't date let alone settle down with men they find repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 09:11 PM
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You can't be confident unless you have something to be confident about. Your confidence needs to be based on something, like past accomplishments. A man who's had plenty of girlfriends and dates in the past, will be naturally confident around women that he's pursuing romantically. Inversely, a man who's never had a girlfriend can never truly be confident around women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:49 PM
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Being rejected is not in your control, but becoming an emotional support pet is. Unfortunately, a lot of desperate men willingly enter the friendzone thinking that the "friendship" might blossom into something more meaningful or that if he says or does the right things, the woman who friendzoned him will fall in love with him some day. In many instances, the friendship that the woman offers is nothing more than a consolation prize, as if to say "I know you like me, but you're too ugly for me to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 09:44 AM
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CMV: "women are less likely to date bisexual men" is just an attempt to frame us as homophobic There's nothing homophobic about women not wanting to date bisexual men. I had no idea this narrative was even being pushed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:11 PM
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How true is it that girls will avoid guys they like and act outgoing with guys they don't like? This happens in a parallel universe where reality is the exact opposite of what we know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 06:32 AM
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You'd think, but one of the worst manipulators I know of, who lied to and about all of his partners (and about his own STI testing, leading to a number of them needing to have pieces of their cervixes surgically removed) is an oily shitweasel, with long hair and a receeding hairline. (I don't know of anyone who looks good with that combination, but he certainly did not.) Having long hair and a receding hairline does not automatically make a man ugly. Just like how having a head full of hair and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 03:19 AM
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No, but you seem to think men can either be categorized as "attractive" OR "unattractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 02:28 AM
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When a man is vulnerable it makes you want to tear off his clothes. Nothing says sexy like a guy venting about his fears, insecurities, and making himself available for ridicule. That's hot. If a 6'2 Chad vents about his fears and insecurities, he's hot. If an ugly 5'2 manlet does the same, he's a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 02:21 AM
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You said “especially the attractive ones” Yes. When it comes to getting with women, attractive ones are more successful than average looking ones. But unattractive men are out of the picture because they are rejected by women on sight. I wasn't talking about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 02:11 AM
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But you distinguish attractive vs unattractive abusive men and insinuate that both are successful with women I'm not. I'm saying unattractive men are rejected by women, so they don't actually get a chance to abuse them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:36 PM
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If they're unattractive, they'll be rejected on sight, so they won't get a chance to abuse women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:28 PM
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Most of the men here have abusive and abrasive personalities yet fail to attract a woman. That's because they're not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:27 PM
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I frequently see people claiming that the main reason why many men struggle romantically is because they have bad personalities If that were true, then abusive men, especially the attractive ones, would spend their entire lives without experiencing a relationship or getting a date. In reality, they get with women easily because looks matter more than "personality".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 10:22 PM
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Women should train the men they're dating to be a provider You can only "train" desperate low value men who by nature are willing providers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 12:07 AM
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Why do girls invest so much into their looks, but hate to be complimented about it? They only hate it when unattractive guys compliment her. It's a very small detail, but it makes a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 10:46 PM
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Why? Is it because you don't view gay men as real men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 10:45 PM
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what do you bring to the table? To a woman who is financially independent and emotionally stable, with a good support system of course, someone who can be in a relationship but doesn't need one. If she doesn't need a relationship, why even ask men what they "bring to the table"? It's like asking "I don't need any money. How much money can you give me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 10:41 PM
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"If they're still single in their mid-30s there's a reason" - why is it OK for women to say this about men, but not the other way round? It's not the same the other way round. Typically, a woman who's still single in her mid-30s is only "single" in the sense she isn't in a committed relationship. But she still hooks up and has ONSs, or at least gets opportunities to. But a man who's still single in his mid-30s is single in the truest sense of the word, i.e., he's never received any kind of roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:17 PM
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Men usually aren't OK with dating women who used to sleep around a lot and now want to settle down, because it makes us feel like we're their backup option after they've had all their fun in their prime. But does the same apply for women? A man who sleeps around is perceived as more experienced, a stud, masculine, someone who gets women etc. It's the opposite of how a virgin male is perceived. But a woman who sleeps will be seen negatively. Most men wouldn't want to have anything to do with her …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:36 AM
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If women genuinely value good men, why don’t they prioritize them from the start? Because they are not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:52 PM
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Again. They are the ones ELECTING them. Their votes add up. Exactly what percentage of right leaning men are incels? i.e., men who struggle to get dates? If you actually think a bunch of perpetually lonely virgins who can't get girlfriends have the power to influence elections, I cannot take you or anything you say seriously. If most people "preferred" that, then Tinder, Hinge and all other dating apps wouldn't exist. That's like saying "if most people preferred eating healthy, then junk food wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:30 PM
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A significant portion of young Republicans consists of incels and red-pillers. IDK if that's true but incels and red-pillers aren't running the government. They are being influenced to think that pursuing a "trad-life" should be their end goal. Most people would prefer that over the "hook-up with everyone you meet on tinder" life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 02:50 PM
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We're witnessing an increase in incels and red-pillers who struggle to get laid, and they're directing their anger at society. They push daily to take away women's rights The people in the government trying to "take away women's rights" have families -- they've had lots of sex and have produced children. Not the type who struggle with dating and getting laid. You're conflating two unrelated issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:13 PM
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And yet, a single, sexless woman is still less of a threat to society than a single, sexless man. Women, in general, pose less of a threat to society. But this isn't a discussion about who does more crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:58 AM
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Instead of berating women for having so-called dating privileges, berate men for having low standards If men didn't have "low standards" most women would be perpetually single and sexless.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:35 PM
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You literally just said that commitment and responsibility are a burden I said it in a very specific context -- "Hookup guy gets the prize (sex) without the burden of commitment and responsibility", meaning he got to have sex without having to bother with commitment and responsibility. If you've hooked up with random dudes without expecting commitment and responsibility but expect the same from a specific guy you want to settle with, he'll need to do extra to get what the other guys got effortle…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:31 PM
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The prize to you is sex because you're not interested in a commited relationship. Sex is the prize because it determines whether a relationship is an intimate one or just a friendship. And I am interested in a committed relationship -- just not with women who've hooked up in the past and then seek commitment when they feel it's time to settle down. At this point, the question you should be asking is "Why not them?" And the answer is: "they're the leftovers of other men and are not worth committi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 04:19 PM
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Husband/boyfriend material guy doesn't see relationship upkeep as a burden. The prize for men like that is commitment and mutual responsibility. Wrong. The prize is sex, not "commitment" and "mutual responsibility". Because a woman who's hooked up with random guys doesn't know the first thing about commitment or care enough about it to expect it from men. She's essentially saying to husband material guy -- "I let all those other guys who weren't committed to me cum inside me but if you commit to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 02:09 PM
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I want someone who has experience with sex So, you'd prefer the woman with a history of hooking up over the virgin?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 04:13 PM
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If there are 2 women you like, who were both equally attractive and equally your type, but one of them is a virgin and the other has a long history of hooking up, you'd pick the virgin. Let's not pretend otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:41 PM
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What is a high value woman? A woman who values her virginity and doesn't engage in casual sex, hookups etc. and only dates to look for a husband, while abstaining from sex. Everything else -- looks, education, financial status etc -- is secondary.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:12 PM
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Exactly what the woman is being accused of. The issue is not that she's settling down. It's that she settles for the "husband material" guy after years of hooking up with random Chads. She just sees him as a stable loyal dude who can provide for her. The man settles out of desperation after years of struggle with dating. That's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 01:50 AM
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Then why would he date or marry her in the first place? Because he's a low value dude with no other option. So, he'll happily settle down with any woman who gives him a few crumbs of attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 01:09 AM
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A woman who, in her prime, freely gave her body to men who made zero effort, suddenly wants commitment, devotion, and emotional labor from the guy she previously ignored. That’s not recognition of value—that’s opportunism. Yet, women will insist their pasts don't matter. And then go on to claim the "husband material" guy is somehow really special and the actual winner because the woman settled for him in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 12:47 AM
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A man who is "husband material" should not have to sacrifice his desirability or settle for being a backup option Unfortunately, he will settle for being a backup option because he's a low value man and doesn't have other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 12:42 AM
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It's a form of intimacy, and it's giving pleasure to your partner. That should be enough to make it enjoyable, surely? It's hard for a woman to enjoy sex with a guy they aren't physically attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:25 AM
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The sex is never good but otherwise they are happy. They are not looking elsewhere. They are content, in fact. And if our society did not make sex so important they would stay together. lol they don't stay together because the woman pursues better looking men. It's not like "society" is pressuring her to dump him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:23 AM
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Sometimes women find a man that is fantastic in every way except sexually. This is actually quite common. Women are not "using" those men for "resources." They often really love them for who they are: truly enjoy their company, understand them, support them, wish them to be happy and wish to make them happy - they just don't want to fuck them. The reason? They are not good looking enough and/or not masculine enough. Are you a blackpiller? Because that's a blackpill talking point, i.e., a man's r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:16 AM
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A 5 woman doesn’t turn into a 10 just because the man looking at her is a 5. I'm not saying that. I'm saying a sub5 man would find a 5 woman attractive. It doesn't mean she turns into a 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:36 PM
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Most women are average. Most men will have to settle out of necessity. If men only dated women we found attractive then the human race would be extinct. I'm pretty sure a sub5 male would look at an average 5 woman and think she's beautiful. And a Chad would look at the same woman and think she's nothing because he can get 8s and 9s. It's just a matter of perception. Most men know they can only date, marry or have sex with women from their league, although in reality they date down. So dude who's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:17 PM
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Look at the average man’s gf and wife. There’s no way you think men are attracted to overweight women with saggy chests and mid faces. A. Either those women were in better shape earlier and after years of being with their husbands and bfs, let go and went out of shape. It happens even with Hollywood actresses. or B. The men who end up with those women are in poor shape themselves and so had to settle for those women. When you're unattractive, you'll start seeing beauty in women who are within yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:09 PM
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There’s no way you think most men can truly get the women they are actually attracted to I said "People only date people that they are really attracted to". That's true in a general sense. That doesn't mean men always get the women they are actually attracted to. Plenty of men are dating average to below average women, that they had to settle for. Sure. But they are still attracted enough to them to settle for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:00 PM
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i'm just talking about being single. Living single. You can still have friends, networks, hookup, s*xfriends. Ok. Then please add that to the text of the OP. Because you said "People need to learn to live alone", which is very different from being single and having hookups and s*xfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 07:45 PM
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I believe Women and Men should have higher standard for relationships and only date people they are REALLY attracted to. That's how it already is. People only date people that they are really attracted to. People need to learn to live alone. A lot of people already live alone. But they're not too happy about it. To be able to live alone and happy, you'll have to train to be a monk and live in isolation, which is not possible for the average person in this day and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 07:02 PM
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I was married for 24 years with a woman who only had sex with me 1-2 times a year. Eventually, we get divorced and she sleeps with the first guy she meets online within days of their meeting. Oh man, I'm sorry for you. Just be thankful she's out of your life. to say you love a man who devotes himself to you but won’t amply provide him sex while enthusiastically giving it to a some guy who gives nothing in return. According to many here, if a man is selected as a long term partner by a woman, tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:31 PM
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nope. I have seen plenty of women with a history of hookups having long term relationships with really nice men, they are married now. PLENTY The nice men you speak of merely settled for the women with a history of hookups. It's not like they had any other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:28 PM
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Lol. It's not that no one wanted him or that he's a leftover. He, being a Chad, knew he was good enough to get with a variety of women for decades and didn't settle for anyone. He chose quantity over quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:28 PM
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If they are looking for LTR and also have casual sex with randoms, it just means they don't even consider the random as a real candidate The randoms are the lucky ones who are candidates for sex without any commitments. The "real candidate" just tells himself that he's special because his GF/wife settled with him after being with tons of other dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:25 PM
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A "slutty" man is regarded by women as a stud. They're thinking:"Wow. If so many women want to fuck him, he must be really good. I want him too!"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:20 PM
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nah, not all men are so insecure to care so much about it. They don't care much about it because they don't see much value in a woman with a history of hookups. They'll still pursue her because they see her as a source of commitment-free sex. A man doesn't need to be religious to think that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:19 PM
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There's nothing healthy about settling down with a woman who has a history of casual hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:13 PM
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If a person is dating to find a long-term relationship, they need methods to filter out the liars who are only after sex. Not having sex until they trust the other is one such method. I absolutely agree. But women filtering out the "liars who are only after sex" is pointless if they willingly hookup with random dudes who only want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:12 PM
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I know. But the point is that the guys who hook up with a woman have it better than the guy who marries her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:30 PM
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I edited the comment to add -- "But lets not pretend as if sex is not the prize from a man's perspective, which was the point being discussed in this thread"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:28 PM
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If "Sex isn’t the prize, dude. Mutual love in a healthy relationship is the prize" as you claimed, then sex wouldn't a big deal. So women have no reason to deny sex to any one that's interested in her. In a world where "sex isn't the prize", the guys who casually hooked up with a woman would be jealous of the poor guy who waited for several months to get sex within a committed relationship. But that's not how it works in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:27 PM
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Men need to stop contributing to this problem by having casual sex in the first place if they are going to complain about it later. The men who have casual sex don't complain about it. And men who complain about it aren't having casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:22 PM
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No attraction no immediate sex for you. I know. We still want to be attracted to the person we are having sex with and as you all point out all the damned time, Again, I know. But lets not pretend as if sex is not the prize from a man's perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:20 PM
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ex. That still doesn’t mean that sex is something that women “let” happen to them. I'm not saying they let sex happen to them. I'm saying if a woman has a history of hooking up, she's clearly very casual about sex. From the perspective of the poor man she marries, she has casually let men inside her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:19 PM
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Its usually men who have the higher body counts. A man with a high body count isn't the same as a woman with a high body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:12 PM
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“Letting other guys inside her?” Sex isn’t something that women passively “let” happen to them; it’s something they actively engage in with other people. I think we were talking about women hooking up and having no-commitment sex. don’t project your backwards view of sex onto other men. I'm not projecting anything. I'm just talking about male behavior. Men who are looking to settle down prefer women who don't have a history of hooking-up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:11 PM
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Why? Women date dudes with sexual history all the time A man with a sexual history is perceived as a stud. A woman with a sexual history is perceived as a s... something else. The rules are different for men and women. Just like how a male virgin is seen as a loser, while a female virgin is seen as pure and pristine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:08 PM
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PLENTY of men are completely apathetic about women’s sexual histories. That's because those "plenty of men" are just looking to hook-up with women with a history of hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:06 PM
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You only see women as walking fleshlights It's the guys who successfully hook-up that see women as walking fleshlights. I'm not that kind of guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:04 PM
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I didn't say it was not ok. Why are you even asking that question?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:03 PM
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Sex isn’t the prize, dude. Mutual love in a healthy relationship is the prize If that were true, then women wouldn't delay or deny sex to any man who's interested in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:01 PM
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People who cares so much about others past are a red flag for me. Yeah it's a big red flag when a guy sees red flags in a woman with a history of hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:59 PM
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a hookup is a hookup, no promotions to boyfriend. There is a reason that they will stay as a hookup. I will not put much effort into it more than respect and having fun. That's it. Now , boyfriend material gets all the perks. Mr. Boyfriend Material will also have to deal with the fact that his girlfriend has a history of casually letting other guys inside her. That's a type of humiliation and psychological torment that women can never comprehend. He can forgive it or choose to not think about it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:07 PM
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you can't argue your way into someone's pants though, you can't be like "yes, I'm not that good looking or charismatic, but fuck me anyway.. So it's ok for good looking + charismatic guys (Chads) to fuck women without committing to them? Is that what you're saying? If so, that's absolutely fine. Just don't expect non-Chads (at least the self-respecting ones) to jump through hoops and do their best to get a chance at Chad's leftovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 09:59 AM
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the idea of actually enjoying a woman beyond her body is foreign to you If a woman with a history of hooking up with Chad expects other guys to see past her body, she'll not be taken very seriously. Also, a woman who has commitment-free sex with random Chads shouldn't be lecturing men about things like commitment and responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:34 AM
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hookup material" guy is NOT gaining more, because ALL he gets is sex. the guy a woman is serious about gets the best and most complete version of her. he gets her loyalty, her effort, her support, and yes, sex too. Hookup guy gets the prize (sex) without the burden of commitment and responsibility. He doesn't have to be his best around her, except in bed. Marriage guy would be expected to commit and be his best at all times, failing which she'll leave him and take half his assets. Hookup guy get…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:30 AM
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Women don't need to use dating apps because they get approached enough through regular apps like Instagram and Facebook. If your Instagram and Facebook inboxes were full of women asking you out, you wouldn't feel the need to use dating apps either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:34 PM
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Do you recognize these things when they happen? What's your experience? Did it affect how you saw the guy afterward - was it insincere, or did you like it? I'm pretty sure women would like it if it's from guys they are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:20 PM
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while there’s nothing wrong with going to these types of classes as a man, going to a primarily female activity just to meet women who are there to workout is arguably a tad creepy. Men who take up primarily female activities are simply following the popular advice: "Just put yourself out there".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 11:14 AM
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We're just being honest. What do you want us to do? Pretend that we're better looking than we really are?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 08:49 PM
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Because when it comes to relationships and dating, the only "currency" that actually matters is looks. And I'm low on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 06:06 PM
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Q4M: Why are you not hypergamous? Hypergamy - the action of marrying or forming a sexual relationship with a person of a superior sociological or educational background It happens quite frequently. In those instances, the guys are usually very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 06:01 PM
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"Choose better" is an easy/bad advice we give people nowadays It's bad advice for the average person because they are not in a position to "choose". They just take whatever they get and enjoy it as long as it lasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 03:13 PM
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Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”. Both "nice guys" and "bad boys" have the exact same "selfish motives". The latter get what they want because they have something to offer women. And no, it's not their personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 03:02 PM
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But it makes no sense at all to complain that American women only want them for their wallet They're complaining about not being desired at all, not even for their wallet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 02:58 PM
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Not to be rude, but the kinds of men who resort to passport bro-ing, aren't the types of men that tend to be heavily desired in more affluent, western countries, anyway. If they aren't desired in their own countries, then it makes perfect sense for them to go somewhere they are desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 01:26 AM
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A guy who's never been in a relationship but has had previous ONS and fwbs . I guess the answer depends on the guys' age. But would you date someone with no relationship experience? Is it a worry that he might not be able to navigate a relationship or how to act in one A guy with no relationship experience but has had ONS and fwbs can only be a Chad. Women will want him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 01:11 AM
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There's a ton of good looking guys who can pull that are lost in their own bullshit. Depression, anxiety etc. They can be lost in their own bullshit and have other debilitating issues, but that doesn't mean they suffer from the specific issue of "love-shyness" that OP was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 09:15 PM
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Group 1 sometimes can be "rescued" or brought to a well adjusted place where they can meet someone. Group 2 is irredeemable until they fix the underlying attitudes. Both groups have the same problem. They have unattractive faces. The only way anyone from either group can be redeemed is if they get new attractive faces. Give Chad's face to someone in group 2, and he'll easily attract women; his personality won't hinder him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:03 PM
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Men are Love-Shy Gross oversimplification. It's low-value men (aka unattractive men) with high self-awareness who are love shy. Simply put, they know they have nothing to offer women and that's why they are love shy. You'll find a flying unicorn before you find a rich, 6'2" Chad with a six-pack who is also love-shy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 06:52 PM
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You keep picking out one or two sentences, then illogically analyzing it to create a conclusion that suits your narrative. No, I'm just focusing on your 2 key positions -- A) that cheating is bad and B) that nobody is entitled to anyone’s body. They contradict each other but you seem unable to see that. Maybe you didn't think your "point" through? That explains why you're struggling here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 03:38 AM
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cheating = lying and deceit That means absolutely nothing within your framework of "No one is entitled to anyone’s body". If you are not entitled to your partners body, then you shouldn't have a problem if someone else gets access to it. You have literally waived away your right to their body.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 03:27 AM
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This is so disingenuous. How is that disingenuous? If you really "loved" your partner, wouldn't you want to do nice things for them when they ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 03:11 AM
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Do you understand commitment? Yeah but you said "No one is entitled to anyone’s body". So why do you suddenly have a problem with your partner cheating on you? You're acting as if you're entitled to their body. because there is no winning here due to your lack of integrity. Ciao! There's no winning because of your lack of logical consistency. Ciao, I guess!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 03:09 AM
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So what you’re saying is it’s perfectly acceptable to rape your partner LOL. That's not what I said at all. Why are you twisting my words? Or did you reply to the wrong person or something? A relationship doesn’t mean you get a fuck toy. Then it shouldn't bother you when your partner allows someone else to use their body as a fuck toy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 02:53 AM
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but people have this thing called bodily autonomy that exists even in marriage. We are allowed to say no. Cool. But don't claim you "love" your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 02:52 AM
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No, the idea of duty sex is absolutely disgusting Ok. I like that sex happens because we love each other If you really love your partner, you should give them sex whenever they ask for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 02:29 AM
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Cheating is wrong Ok. No one is entitled to anyone’s body If you're not entitled to your partner's body, then there's no reason why it would be wrong for them to cheat on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 02:27 AM
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If she gave her best to another man but expects you to settle for less, why be loyal? The guy she settles with is usually a low value dude who can't afford to not be loyal. He knows that if she leaves him, he'll need to struggle to find another woman who's willing to give him the time of day. That's why so many guys settle for less and spend the rest of their lives walking on eggshells.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 11:11 PM
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my gf is 16 years younger than me and she pursued me but maybe that is rare and is a fantasy most of the time? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:15 PM
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Young women primarily pursue young men, but if given the choice would rather pursue older men That's a red-pill fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 02:41 PM
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Oh they absolutely do as long as the Chad is just socially present enough Women aren't going to pick ugly but well-adjusted men just because Chad isn't around.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 02:40 AM
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I’m no Chad but I’ve been rated at an 8.5 Anyone who is 8 and above is a Chad. I won't ask where you got your "rating" from, but if you were really as attractive as you claim, you'd be getting women easily. But if you're being continuously rejected, it's not because of your "social awkwardness" but rather because A) you're not as good looking as you think you are, and B) whoever gave you an 8.5 rating lied to you or greatly exaggerated your attractiveness. You're not some hot 8.5 rated Chad who'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 02:38 AM
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As someone who this description applies to (attractive while awkward) this just does not apply. You're arbitrarily describing yourself as "attractive", but we have no way of knowing what you look like. Also, don't tell me you think women choose ugly but well-adjusted men over handsome but socially awkward Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 02:21 AM
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Social awkwardness in men is exactly as much of a turn-off to the opposite sex as being a fat woman. That would be true only if the socially awkward men are also physically unattractive. A physically attractive man who is socially awkward will be perceived as "cute" and "quirky". Your outward appearance influences how people perceive your behavior/personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 02:11 AM
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You believe that want that while they are in their early 20s (meaning to date a middle aged man with money)? No. That's not what I said. I said they fooled around with random Chads in their 20's. So when they're ready to settle down, they'll be in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:20 PM
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Men who are middle aged (specifically 35 to 45) are considered prime, meaning they are at their peak dating desirability. Their reasoning is; they usually have an established career and financial stability and provided you look decent women are attracted to a man's socio-ecomomic status more than their looks Yeah, women who've fooled around with random Chads during their 20's would want to settle down with decent looking men with established careers and financial stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:55 PM
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I just want to remind everyone that hot people in shallow relationships aren't any happier. Maybe they aren't "any happier" in a general sense, but as far as dating and relationships are concerned, they're in a far far better place than below average looking guys. Shitty people have shitty relationships, no matter how hot they are. So don't be jealous of shitty people. Nobody is jealous of hot people for being shitty. Average people who fail at dating are jealous of them because they can easily …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:49 PM
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Then why do they get un rightfully mad when asked what they bring to the table??? A man who doesn't bring much to the table shouldn't even be putting himself in situations where he gets asked that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:15 AM
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If there’s nothing wrong with men pursuing women for looks then wouldn’t you agree that it’s the same vice versa? Of course. Then these same men shouldn’t complain about the unfairness tbh They complain about the unfairness of life in general. Kind of like how the poor complain about how much it sucks to be poor while multi-billionaires have an abundance of everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:11 AM
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Sorry, but everyone dates based off looks. Personality only matters if you're already physically attracted to them. Most people don't realize that they got with their partners because they were physically attracted to them (looks) but have somehow convinced themselves that they ended up with them because they liked their personality. They seem to think the aspect of physical attraction was purely coincidental.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:07 AM
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I see lots of posts from men complaining that women are only into attractive, successful men. I get the impression that they wish they could sleep with or date the super-attractive women that they believe always go after this type of man. Attractive men can attract women very easily, giving them an almost unfair advantage when it comes to dating and relationships. That's a fact. And it feels unfair to below average looking men who've never received romantic attention from women. That's why they …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:59 AM
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Its very rare for a man to find a woman who genuinely likes him for who he is as a human being, instead of what he provides. What he provides is part and parcel of who he is as a human being. Same goes for the women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:40 AM
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I’d probably seek his permission to have sex with other people, Would you be okay with him having sex with other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 10:43 PM
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Sex =/= romance Sex is to romance what eating is to lunch. You don't need sex for romance. If there's no sex or intimacy, it is not a romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 09:13 PM
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Lol. No. If there's zero sex involved, it just means there's no sex. You can have a romantic relationship without sex. Then by the same logic: if there's zero eating involved, it just means there's no earing. You can have lunch without eating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 08:59 PM
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For real. Me and husband didn’t have sex for years well into our relationship cause we were teenagers. That was most definitely not "just a frienship". So you and your husband also never kissed or cuddled or made out for years into your relationship? Because OP was talking about a situation where sex and intimacy was completely absent from a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 08:57 PM
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You can definitely have a romantic relationship without sex That's like saying "You can definitely have lunch without eating". If there's zero sex/intimacy involved, then by definition, it cannot a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 08:49 PM
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let’s say you between 25-45 your in a relationship/married and your significant other pulls sex/intimacy off the table… is this relationship sustainable? If sex is off the table, then such a relationship or marriage is nothing more than a friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 06:36 PM
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Many women claim to value men who are in touch with their feelings, but it seems that those who embody more traditionally masculine traits, like tattoos, muscles, and a rugged appearance, tend to be more successful in dating. The first thing a woman looks at in a guy is his looks, i.e., he needs to be attractive enough. Women want guys they are physically attracted to. That is non-negotiable. If those men are in "touch with their feelings", that would just a bonus or the cherry on top, but not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 02:59 PM
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You're assuming that all the women they end up with are "shallow". The more logical (and obvious) explanation is that women are naturally attracted to good-looking men and tend to be more tolerant of the creepy things they say and do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 04:49 PM
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Guys have hot/crazy matrix ,women have hot/creepy matrix I think you meant to say "women have hot/crazy matrix , guys have hot/creepy matrix"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 02:04 PM
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"Eww! That handsome 6' guy with a 6 pack was so awkward when he asked me out. He's such a creep!" -- Said no woman ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 01:33 PM
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Good looking guy does the exact same everything and magically his actions are all seen in a positive light I've seen this happen on several occasions at different stages in my life. Their actions were always interpreted as displays of "confidence" or "charm", and in many cases, those guys ended up with the girl they wanted, at least for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 12:45 PM
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creepy guys dont care or dont understand that theyre being creepy, Guys who are attractive tend to do that (mind you, I'm not saying all attractive guys do that). They have such high success rates with women, they don't actually care if some women along the way call them "creeps". I knew guys like that who'd hit on women by doing things that many would call "creepy" (inappropriate touching, lewd jokes etc). None of them were called "creeps". Instead, some of them ended up dating those women or a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 12:37 PM
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The creep. Either he does the same things you told him to stop doing or he’s so creepy that you have to stay away from him. 9 times out of 10, the "creep" is just an unattractive dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:03 PM
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the owner's son came up to talk to me and shoot his shot. Nothing about that was creepy or off-putting. What did he say exactly? Did he make it clear that he was interested in you, or was he just being friendly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 07:09 PM
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200 GIRLS A DAY?!!! So just keep getting rejected 200 times per day for two weeks just for a chance to score one date and what if you fumble on the date? You'll have a higher chance of success with cold approaching if you're good looking. If you're ugly, just forget about it. I believe women don't like being cold approached but will still take it as a compliment. Also, the fact that guys cold approach women and not the other way round proves that women have it easier than men when it comes to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 07:08 PM
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Does being sweet or childish with girls make you less sexually attractive? Absolutely. If you're a guy and are interested in a woman, don't act childish or sweet. Women are turned off by men who don't act like men. They can be friends with you but will never see you as a potential romantic partner. Show your "soft" side only after you get some confirmation that she's into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:10 AM
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Proving my point: Its very clear this subreddit obsesses over looks because they dont want their personality to matter But the reality is that women don't care about personality. Why on earth should men care about personality if most women select partners on the basis of looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:01 PM
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What if the one you want to date seriously has been with red pill plate-spinners? Wouldn't that be a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:59 PM
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Yes it does lol, that's how most young people date, "spinning plates" is just situationships and rosters 50% of America is conservative and Chrisian. "Spinning plates" isn't something they're into. But let's set that aside for now. Just tell me how it makes sense for redpillers to "spin plates" and then complain about women having high body counts?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:51 PM
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Red pill "culture" doesn't represent American society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:37 PM
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What part of any of that isn't normal in our culture? What do you mean by "our" culture? I know of no culture that teaches men to view women as trophies, and to pursue multiple women while complaining about women having high body counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:32 PM
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the red pill is just teaching young men how to be normal if they don't already get it The red pill teaches young men to view women as trophies to be collected -- "become a high value man and you can get women". Don't tell me that's normal. It also encourages men to pursue and sleep around with multiple women ("spinning plates") while also taking issue with women having high body counts, a problem that redpillers themselves contribute to. That's jumbled thinking and quite far from normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:00 PM
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So Im vetting out friendless guys, broke guys, guys who are socially awkward, and guys who dont dress well. What if they're extremely attractive, tall and have a 6 pack?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 03:11 PM
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Confidence from other aspects of your life cannot be applied in the realm of dating and relationships if you don't have the one thing that actually matters -- looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 03:03 PM
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This is what insecure men who place their entire value on women's validation do, and it's unhealthy. Getting validation from women matters. It helps build confidence when it comes to relationships and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:51 PM
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I just opened ur profile and lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:38 PM
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Like you say confidence is based on experience and you can't expect people who get rejected for their looks to magically gain it unless they fake it til they make it. Good point. Unattractive people have nothing to be confident about, at least when it comes to dating. The best they can do is put on an act, i.e., "fake it till they make it" but that amounts to being dishonest and manipulative. On a side note, for those men who are short and have negative physical traits yet are highly extroverted…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:52 PM
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how confident and charming? The level of confidence and charm bluepillers have in mind when they say things like "you just need to be charming and confident to get women".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:33 PM
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But No thanks I will stay 6 ft 1 and attractive Wise choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:31 PM
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Nah, I like being 6'. I understand. Height is important; looks even more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:09 PM
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I’m already a charming short man. That's not the same as being ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:01 PM
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Let's say you're 5'10. Would you push the button to get charm and confidence? Don't forget that in addition to making you shorter, it would also make you ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:00 PM
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The fact of the matter is that as long as someone is attractive enough, or has one or two features that might be considered attractive, I know. When I say "looks > personality" I don't mean one needs to be incredibly good looking to find a romantic partner. I mean that one's dating success is determined by their looks, not personality. So, even if you're below average looking, if a girl you like finds you attractive enough because she likes something about your face, then you have a real chance …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:27 PM
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What if the witty and fun dude was also ugly and short. Do you seriously think he has a better chance with women than the hot guy who stands in the corner?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:52 AM
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most people are having sex in America and most Americans are fat. And fat people only have sex with other fat people or below average looking people, which proves who you date/have sex with is determined by your looks. Its very clear this subreddit obsesses over looks because they dont want their personality to matter Personality doesn't matter when you're assessed on the basis of your looks. Since you care so much about personality, let me ask you a question: What would you rather be -- attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:46 AM
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This isn't reality because it is far easier to win over people with looks. You aren't gonna be able to show off your personality not nearly as easily as your looks.The bottom line is, if either is exceptionally great you will be off well. If you don't have the looks, women won't even consider you and you won't get the chance to display your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:24 AM
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You can't only have this example without also doing the reverse. Because in the case where there are two equally attractive dudes but one has a bad personality, the other one will also always be picked. The one with the better personality had to first pass her looks threshold. If he was ugly, he wouldn't even have been considered as a potential choice. To illustrate, you could land a job because you were more charismatic than all the other equally qualified candidates. Your charisma helped, sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:22 AM
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Yeah but physical attractiveness is often one of the first things to lose it's edge as relationships progress. Not to say you don't find your partner beautiful, just that it becomes vastly less important the more serious things get. Your physical attractiveness is your ticket to getting dates and relationships. It doesn't matter that it loses its edge later on, because it served its purpose. Without it, you wouldn't have even gotten into that relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:22 AM
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Of two equally hot persons, people choose the better personality. So personality > looks. Firstly, if personality > looks then unattractive people with good personalities would consistently outperform good looking people with bad personalities. But that isn't reality. Secondly, choosing between 2 equally hot persons is like a company hiring the more charismatic candidate from 2 equally qualified persons, i.e., you need to be qualified before they even consider you for the job. If you're not qual…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:17 AM
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There are plenty of people who arent superficial and truly care about personality. You just need a likable personality. Technically true. But the reality is that those people always end up with partners with nice personalities that they find attractive. They care about personality, sure, but they prefer the attractive ones with nice personality over the ugly ones with an equally nice personality. They are not wrong to do so, but the lesson to be learned is that looks > personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:42 AM
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Most Americans are fat and most Americans are fucking, so looks standards are clearly low depending on the person, the location, and the culture. Fat people end up with other fat people or someone who's below average looking, not fitness models. And looks standards vary from person to person. A below average person will obviously have lower standards. Also being fat isn't the same as being ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:52 PM
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Unhealthy morbidly obese man gets married. If he can get a woman, so can most men. That's like saying "poor man won a lottery and become a multi-millionaire. If he can become a multi-millionaire so can most other poor men". Unless you are the hunchback of Notre Dame, stop using looks as an excuse. A man doesn't need to look like the hunchback of Notre Dame to be considered unattractive. Missing women's looks threshold by a single point is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:02 PM
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Some people discover their sexuality later in life. It's just something people are born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:36 AM
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There is nothing controversial about this idea whatsoever It's controversial because it's associated with a certain "pill", which cannot be openly discussed or debated on many forums, including this one. It's in the rules (#11). Looks has very little correlation with men's sexual partner count, height has even less, lol. Sure. And I know a 5'2 deformed manlet who only dates 10/10 Vogue models because he's really, really charming and confident. /s More of them might be brainwashed into this delus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 07:54 AM
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So here's my question, for everyone, men and women alike. What are you picking up from the general vibe of things in the world these days? What are your observations? And where do you see things going? The quality of marriages and courtship will decline even more in the coming years. Short term and transactional relationships will become the norm. It will mostly be the best-looking men who will be able to date around and enjoy genuine relationships. Average men will have to be content with the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:14 AM
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If you had female friends you'd know how wrong you were I had female friends many years ago. That's how I know I'm right. Said female friends were hit on by guys who did more than just stare. Inappropriate touching, sexually suggestive jokes, lewd pranks etc. Of course, those guys were all good looking so the girls didn't see their actions as creepy but as charming and funny instead. And some of them ended up dating those guys or having flings with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:41 AM
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there's no sad backstory in the world that's going to make most women attracted to men like that. Women aren't attracted to ugly dudes. That's all there is to it. There's no need for a "sad backstory".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:06 AM
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Apparently, you've also never considered that he's obsessive and angry because he's been continuously rejected for being ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 09:27 PM
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I’m not that shallow I didn't accuse you of being shallow. But you think it's shallow to prefer good looking men over ugly men (when in reality, it's not. It's completely normal and natural). That's why you're acting as if you'd treat good looking men and ugly men the same way. That said, if there's a guy you're lusting after, and he started staring at you, you will NOT think he's being a creep. Because if you're ok with the idea of having sex with him, you wouldn't have an issue with him starin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 08:07 PM
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Being poorly groomed and dressed If Chad: "Cool. He's got that grungy look" If Ugly: "Eww. He needs to take a shower and buy new clothes" Being alone If Chad: "He's so enigmatic and mysterious" If Ugly: "He has no friends because he's a loser" Being soft spoken / Standing too far away from someone / Not holding eye contact long enough If Chad: "Aww! He's shy in a cute way" If Ugly: "Ugh! He's such a wuss" Being brash and loud / Standing too close to someone / Holding eye contact for too long If …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 07:53 PM
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A Chad just means "good looking guy". Let me rephrase: If a Chad good looking guy that you lust for were to stare at you, you would NOT think he's being a creep and be turned off. Don't tell me otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 07:44 PM
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Again, you're picturing an ugly guy staring at you. If a Chad that you lust for were to stare at you, you would NOT think he's being a creep and be turned off. Don't tell me otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 07:42 PM
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Yeah that’s not true, anyone that stares at anyone else becomes creepy, staring at people isn’t nice and if nothing else it’s rude You're picturing an ugly guy staring at a woman. If Chad stares at a woman, she'd be flattered. Let's not pretend that women don't have different rules for Chads and uglies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:58 PM
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Obviously, his obsession with being rejected by women is off putting to say the least, someone who harbors resentment and anger towards your gender is not an attractive quality. There's nothing wrong with the have-nots resenting the haves. It's human nature. I, as a man, wouldn't even want to hang out with this guy for coffee, That's because you know he has a history of being rejected and so your perception of him has been shaped by that information about him. That's why you see him as deficient…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:48 PM
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PS If you're just going to say the tired old "creepy just means the guy is ugly" save your energy. But it's true. Guys who are labelled as "creepy" are almost always ugly. If an ugly guy stares at a woman, it's "Eww. He's being a creep!" If a Chad stares at a woman, its "Wow. He knows what he wants and is so confident!"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:45 PM
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is modern modesty really about modesty at all, or is it just a rebranded version of the same beauty standards with a different label? It's not a rebrand. It's a response. Even if modern modesty is an aesthetic trend like you say, it's a much-needed response to the immodesty that's prevalent in society. Men might desire sex with immodest women, but usually they don't respect them or see them as anything more than pump-and-dump material. Why? Because immodest women do not respect themselves. But w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:45 PM
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I can donate, help at shelters, give money to the poor, etc. while simultaneously acknowledging that others have absolutely no obligation to do the same. Ok. And you also support feminism and LGBT rights, while also not having a problem with people who are opposed to those things, right? (And no, you don't need to be the moral police to have a problem with people who are opposed to your values).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:15 PM
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Wait, have you seriously been going through life thinking we are morally obligated to give homeless people money? I was raised to be considerate of the less fortunate. But I'm beginning to see the problem now. There are no laws for this. So, who convinced you that you’re obligated? So if there are no laws requiring people to support feminism or LGBT rights, you'd be fine with people who are against those things? Ok then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:50 PM
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It’s just as ridiculous as trying to argue that people should just random give you money because you get really sad from being broke😞. No, no one’s just going to randomly give you tons and tons of money. You have to earn it. So we're not morally obligated to give money to starving homeless people? And they have to earn their own money? Cool. That's nice to know!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:20 PM
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If a dude is physically attractive, but is a boring asshole, then hes actually ugly. If a dude is physically attractive, then he cannot be "ugly". Words have meanings. Stick to them instead of making up your own definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:54 AM
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So when are you guys going to actually focus in personality? Seems like the answer is “Never, we’ll just keep using looks as an excuse”. No use focusing on personality if we're assessed on the basis of looks. Thank you for proving my point. What was your point? That women are shallow and dysfunctional?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 09:38 PM
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If you are single and still your life is fullfilled with your own interests - you worth something. The need for female companionship can only be fulfilled by female companionship, and not by hobbies and interests which are entirely separate things that fulfill other unrelated needs. To be valued by women you must value yourself. If you are simping she'll never consider you as her equal. You will be below, beneath her and she doesn't want to settle to someone beneath. If an ugly and lonely guy st…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:05 PM
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Fix for dating and loneliness lies in valuing happy singledom (mostly for men) By the same yardstick, the fix for poverty lies in valuing happy poverty (for both men and women). I.e. for men to collectively fix this imbalance in dating they need to fix how they see absence of dating. And poor people need to fix how they see absence of resources. If that sounds unethical and wrong, then your statements are also unethical and wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 07:46 PM
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The looks threshold isnt that high, using the video in my post as an example. Doesn't change the fact that looks are more important than personality. The guy just needs to pass the woman's looks threshold. Only then will she assess him on the basis of his personality. If they ignore a guy being a POS, theyre shallow or dysfunctional. In that case, virtually all women are shallow and dysfunctional because they're all biologically hardwired to feel attracted to good looking guys, which in turn cau…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 07:43 PM
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The other problem is that boys will consume media for boys that perpetuate the fantasy of guys doing nothing but be nice and a hot girl will want them That media exists because most people believe the fantasy that personality matters more than looks. So that's why most men grow up thinking that being nice will help them attract girlfriends into their lives. If you want shallow or dysfunctional women, go ahead and be a hot asshole to attract them. If I were a hot asshole, they'd be attracted to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:42 PM
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How? How does a woman choose a man if he won't even make a move? If she's attracted to him and desires him enough, she'll make the move.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 03:28 AM
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Being passive isn't the same as being scared.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 03:11 AM
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No, women will not go out of their way to force passive Chads to date them, he still requires a minimum level of self-confidence and assertiveness to actually meet women. Women will still choose the passive Chad over the confident but short & ugly guy who puts in the effort to meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 02:07 AM
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From their perspective, you are not normal for preferring short ugly dudes over tall good looking Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:03 AM
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Tell that to OP because he claimed "no one wants to be around a man who complains". He didn't say anything about there being exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:53 AM
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If you're ugly and the women you're interested in reject you, your cool personality won't matter as you've been disqualified.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:52 AM
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Being with someone you're attracted to is "superficial"? Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:51 AM
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This holds true throughout all aspects of life. No one wants to be around a man who complains So if a homeless man complains about being cold and hungry, it would be fine to just ignore him and walk away from him because "no one wants to be around a man who complains"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:41 AM
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A man who is confident, assertive, funny, and charismatic will find no shortage of woman willing to date him, regardless of how he treats others. A man who is awkward, meek, passive, and humorless will have very little success with women, regardless of how he treats others. An ugly dude who is confident, assertive, funny etc will struggle to get dates. A Chad who's awkward, meek, passive etc will easily get dates, relationships, one night stands etc. Looks > Personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:34 AM
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“But assholes get relationships.” Like I have said before, the women are terrible, traumatized, mentally ill, or superficial. These are not the relationships normal people want. Or maybe the women who get into relationships with "assholes" are completely normal and well-adjusted and are with their "asshole" partners because they find them sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:32 AM
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The dating advice is often blue pill garbage That's because blue pill thinking is the norm in society. That's why advice articles are full of nonsense like "just be confident", "just be funny", "just take a shower and get a haircut" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:52 PM
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Also working out at the gym, clothing.... In the eyes of women, an ugly dude who goes to gym and wears the finest clothes is still ugly. Women won't be attracted to an ugly guy just because he's well-built and well-dressed. If he's nice to be around, he'll be friendzoned. That's the best-case scenario. comment about things that we have control over, for the ones we don't have control, we don't have control, so no need to create a circlejerk. Not creating a "circlejerk". No idea what that even me…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:33 PM
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"taking care of one's appearance" That refers to self-grooming and hygiene. By "nice physical appearance", I meant the facial structure that you're born with. If you're facially ugly, then taking care it's appearance wouldn't make much of a difference. Women would rather date/have sex with a Chad who looks like a hobo than with an ugly guy who is well groomed and has his styling done by hollywood professionals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:18 PM
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What attracts women is what "attracts" people, specifically confidence, mastery, social skills, interesting careers, interesting hobbies/activities, life's skills When it comes to attracting women, those things don't matter if you don't have a nice physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:54 PM
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Sometimes, sure. Sometimes, he's gangly and hilarious Ok, but he's never ugly. Because in normal circumstances, women never pick the ugly guy over the handsome guy. That doesn't happen irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 05:14 PM
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Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. . The single most useful advice is to be more socially and sexually assertive. Lonely (romantically unsuccessful) people men need to be told WHY they are lonely, i.e., it's an issue with their looks. By "looks" I don't mean their haircuts and styling, but the look of their FACE. If they aren't good looking in the FACE (and have a decent physique), being socially and sexually …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:57 PM
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Completely false. The fun guy that a girl can't wait to talk to or hang out with will win over handsome, sexy, rich any day. And that "fun guy that a girl can't wait to talk to" also just happens to be handsome (or at least physically attractive in some way).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:48 PM
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And when you realize that even after self-improvement, dating is still stacked against you, it’s easy to start resenting women. Self improvement matters in the grand scheme of things. But when it comes to dating and relationships, women pick the guys they are physically attracted to. Whether those guys are self-improvers or not is a secondary matter. Of course, if you're an average looking guy, self improvement can work wonders. But if you're generally unattractive, self improvement won't make m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:08 PM
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The good guy was fit, stylish, and carried himself with confidence, even though he was relatively reserved. Despite being 5’7”, he was occasionally approached by women at social events. The abuser, on the other hand, was out of shape, lacked a spine, and had no sense of style. The only thing he had over the good guy was his height (6’+). Ok. But how did the two guys compare in terms of facial attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:53 AM
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She's probably imagining a fantasy scenario where only the misogynists and woman-haters are singled out and sent to fight in a war. In reality, during an all-out war, all kinds of men will be sent to the frontlines. That would include the men that women are in relationships with, as well as those they'd like to be in relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 06:41 PM
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I have no idea what you're even trying to say. You’re admitting that you don’t want your age match. In my other post I literally said I'm fine with women in their 40s, i.e., my age match.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:11 PM
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Well there you go. Hypergamy. I don't understand. You said "old women". I asked how old. You said 35. I said I'm fine with 35. I said they shouldn’t get upset that the hot young women reject them. Actually, they're upset that they're being rejected by non-hot women in their age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:03 PM
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They pursue hot young women then get offended when those women say no I doubt it. Guys tend to instinctively know when a woman is out of their league. But even if they pursued hot young women, so what? What's so offensive about it? And for old women, let’s say 35+ I'm in my 40s. I'd be 100% fine with a woman in her 30s. Or even her 40s (as long as she's younger than me).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:53 PM
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"ugly" people have kids all the time, this is why "conventionally unattractive" people still exist and and walk this planet today Just because someone doesn't look like a fashion model doesn't mean they're ugly. When you say "ugly people have kids all the time you're probably thinking of average looking people who make up the vast majority of people in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:46 PM
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Why don’t they date unattractive women? Because they can't even get unattractive women. And also because said women are matching with guys above their league. They have better options. And I don’t mean “woman with a weird face but a hot body”. I mean fat and old women. Fat women match with guys above their league. As for old women, how old are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:44 PM
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All of the real ladies men I know are average looking, make average money, and drive average cars I'm pretty sure they also date average looking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:30 PM
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What you’re admitting is that above average men are willing to talk to average women, whereas average men are not willing to. Above average men talk to average women because the above average women are going for the good looking guys. And yes, the good looking guys talk to above average women because good looking women are going for the Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:29 PM
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But a lot of average looking men won’t go for average looking women. That's probably because the average looking women are not interested in average looking men, and instead go for above average looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:04 AM
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Being insecure and unassertive makes anyone ugly, it’s going to hurt you not to have those above traits Yeah it's good to have those traits. I acknowledged that in my earlier post. But not having those traits will not make anyone ugly. Because "ugly" has to do with the physical structure of the face. And mindsets and attitudes can neither degrade nor improve a man's face. At least not directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:56 AM
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I was positively surprised to see how aloof many real life men are to the dating market. They’re not being “aloof”. They’re becoming blackpilled and giving up. They’ve realized that the "dating market" is a playground only for attractive people. The "high value" men you speak of all have one thing in common: they are all good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:54 AM
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The best thing unattractive men can do is be assertive and have other masculine traits. Being assertive and masculine won't help unattractive guys get women. But they're still good traits to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:28 AM
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People who have no backbone or confidence are extremely unattractive and weird. It's the other way round. People who are unattractive have no confidence with women. Because they have nothing to be confident about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:19 AM
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If the ‘bad experience’ is not getting a reward for your good behavior, especially when the other person was never told to present payment, you’re not good nor nice. If bad behavior is rewarded, then it's perfectly fine to expect a reward for good behavior. Behaving nicely without expecting a reward, at least in the form of appreciation, makes one a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:14 AM
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What its really about is “If I was hot, I wouldn't need to work on my personality”. But that's true. As long as a guy is "hot" in the eyes of women, he really doesn't need to work on his personality. As long as he's not a complete psycho, he can easily get dates, hook-ups and long-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:40 AM
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I merely provided one of the reasons why less attractive men struggle with dating. You provided the ONLY reason why less attractive men struggle with dating -- "Less attractive men struggle with dating BECOUSE THEYRE UGLY" It's their looks, not their personality or attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:01 PM
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So aspiring to be attractive assholes who put in no effort. Attractive guys don't need to put in effort. Except for maybe walk up to women they like and start flirting. Whether they're being assholes or not is just a matter of perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:00 PM
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No. I'm saying a good looking guy who is an asshole will be perceived as "assertive". But an ugly guy who's just assertive will be perceived as an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:38 PM
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good looks doesn't mean bad personality and bad/average looks does not mean good man. True. But people's perception of your personality depends on how attractive they find you. For example: If a good-looking guy is assertive -- "wow! he's so confident". If an ugly guy is assertive -- "eww! he's so obnoxious".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:58 PM
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I already answered this. No, you haven't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:43 AM
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I'm not making shit up. I just want to know if you're okay with Chads using women as fleshlights and free therapists. I'm asking for the third time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:16 AM
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If all you bring to the table is undesirable behaviour (using women as free therapist and a flesh light) then women will sense this and not want you, call u out for shittyness, and ur relationships wont last. If you are a ‘chad’, and you bring this undesirable behaviour, a woman will see what else you bring to the table, if they have 100 other desirable behaviours, they then have to decide whether its WORTH the bad behaviour to have access to the good behaviour. Of course these women do not want…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:06 AM
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It's not using them as fleshlights if they enjoy it... Sex is not something women give to men, it's a mutual experience I know. But OP has a problem with guys using women as fleshlights and free therapists. I just need to know if she's ok with it as long as the guys doing it are Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:46 AM
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Prove it. Help me understand your position. You said "these guys would rather use women as a free therapist and a fleshlight" I want to know if you're okay with guys using women as free therapists and fleshlights as long as they're Chads. A simple "yes" or "no" would suffice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:40 AM
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I'm not justifying it. But it seems like you don't have a problem with guys using women as free therapists and fleshlights as long as they're Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:34 AM
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I know. I'm just checking if OP has an issue with Chad using women as a fleshlight and a free therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:28 AM
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No, these guys would rather use women as a free therapist and a fleshlight, But when Chad does it, it's all cool and fun, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:25 AM
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You can't complain about being lonely while failing to form/maintain social bonds. What if a guy can't form social bonds because of a condition beyond his control, like being autistic or ugly? This is especially infuriating when these guys insist only a woman can fix the problem Having a woman in your life, i.e., knowing you're good enough for at least someone, is a huge motivation booster and adds to your sense of self worth. This in turn gives you the energy to solve and overcome their problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:33 PM
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Whenever the "Male Loneliness Epidemic" is brought up, I've heard many people say that women that have meaningless hookups can be just as lonely and it should just be the "Loneliness Epidemic". "I eat 3 hot meals a day but I'm still suffering from starvation because I don't enjoy the food I eat"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:05 PM
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Then why are they friends and why would he even have a crush on her? Because she’s pretty and he horny? Once again, you're conflating seeking a deeper relationship with wanting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:06 PM
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And if he valued her company, it shouldn't cause the friendship to end. It was she who didn't value his company. She essentially said "you're not good enough for me to like you as anything more than a friend. So know your place". Fair enough. But then, he's not obligated to stick around. Also, friendships aren't eternal bonds carved in stone. Friendships fall apart and end all the time, sometimes for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:52 PM
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What common attitude? Men who are romantically interested in their female friends seek a deeper relationship. Yes, it which would naturally involve sex but it's not like they're only looking to have sex as you're making it out to be. That's an oversimplification of the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:44 PM
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Because he never gave a single fuck about their friendship. He wanted sex or a fantasy. I'm sorry if that happened with you but not all men who like their female friends think that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:37 PM
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Honestly, I understand crying after the rejection but not constantly feeling it afterwards to the point the friendship has to end. If a man is rejected by a female friend he has romantic feelings for, it is better for him to end the friendship and move on. There is no reason for him to remain friends with someone who does not reciprocate his feelings. Yes, I understand that he's not entitled to a relationship with her just because they're friends. Likewise, she's not entitled to a friendship wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:20 PM
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Women who "had their fun in their youth", have their own job and career and want to settle down at 30 are unironically the best type of women to marry in this day and age So what kind of fun are you talking about? And how much of it? If you mean what I'm thinking, then the truth is that men generally feel icky about marrying women who had too much fun in their youth. Their jobs and careers are irrelevant. You could also argue that women as they get older, start feeling more insecure about their …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:47 AM
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I heard one woman last year on tiktok say that women hitting the wall can be interpret as a mental or spiritual breakthrough for some women Yeah, people tend to become enlightened and spiritual when they realize they can no longer get the good things in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 11:14 PM
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The guy, naturally wanting to please his lady, stops going to the gym and works less hours It all depends on how the guy looks, which shapes his confidence and assertiveness. An ugly guy would do as she says, because he's afraid of losing her. He knows it'll be difficult for him to find another woman. A good looking guy will do as he wants, because he's not afraid of losing her. He knows he can easily dump her and get another woman who doesn't tell him what to do. It all boils down to looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:55 AM
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The reasons as to why they are always unappealing will vary. Ranging from just being too different for everybody, severe level of being neurodivergent, etc. By "too different", do you actually mean "too ugly"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:58 PM
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what’s the average man It simply means an average looking man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 07:38 PM
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Looking at the past is a good way to predict the future Exactly this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:45 AM
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Ha. True.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:00 PM
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Basically the double standard refers to promiscuity in men being acceptable, while promiscuity in women being unacceptable Life is full of double standards. It's just how it is. There's also a double standard when it comes to virginity. If a woman is a virgin, it's not an issue. In fact, many would see her as pure and pristine. If a man is a virgin, he's seen as a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:35 AM
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if you are a man and you struggle with hookups and/or getting in relationships it’s not because you lack hobbies or don’t dress well. It’s because you’re seen as undesirable and the world will treat you as such. Overall getting hobbies and getting better style will increase your appeal but not attraction And they are seen as undesirable because they are physically unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:54 PM
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But that would have happened in the beginning? He would have never ended up in a friend zone situation if she were attracted to him. You would never get to the point that OP is describing. OP isn't describing a situation where the woman is attracted to her male friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 01:50 PM
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Remaining friends with an unrequited love is painful. It's entitlement to expect another to endure that pain for you. Well said. Some people here seem to think that if a man ends a friendship with a woman who rejected him, he's just being selfish. Like as if the woman wasn't acting in her own interests when she rejected him. She's essentially saying to the male friend "you are not good enough to be my boyfriend But I'll accept you as a friend. A friend among MANY friends. But a friend nonetheles…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 01:20 PM
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I truly feel for you that you don't know how to process rejection without running away. It's not "running away". It's taking rejection like a man and having the self-respect to move on in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:23 PM
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I was making a point that if the woman finds her male friend attractive, and he makes it known that he sees her as more than a friend, she will NOT reject him. I didn't say they'll just remain friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:17 PM
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I didn't say he didn't have "the right". Then what exactly are you arguing about? Like... the ONLY way to retain him as a friend is if she lets him have sex with her? Who said anything about retaining him as a friend. The whole idea is for the friendship to develop into a romance, i.e., more than just friendship. If it doesn't happen, then the man has the right to end the friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:13 PM
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YOu're literally confirming the only thing about her he's concerned with is her pussy. If you reduce romantic attraction to "getting pussy", then it would seem that way to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:10 PM
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If he stops liking his friend that easily, just because she won't let him have sex with her, it was not really a friendship at all. If she has the right to reject her male friend, then he has the right to end the friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:08 PM
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It is disrespectful to end what you claim is a friendship because you can't handle your own feelings of physical attraction. It's downright cruel to expect a man to stick around a woman who rejected him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:06 PM
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"Better for his mental health" to lose a friend he apparently loves because he can't have a relationship that lets him have sex with her? Knowing that the woman he loves is okay with letting another man stick his penis into her vagina is definitely NOT good for his mental health. If you can't grasp how much this would hurt him, I cannot help you understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:01 PM
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Of course, the circumstances that made us good friends are unique. Ok. But if you and a female friend ended up as a couple, it's because she found you physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:57 AM
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Are you literally incapable of being friends with someone you find attractive? I'm capable of it. It's just that I don't want to remain friends with a woman who rejects me. Nothing good can come out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:55 AM
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If you both have sexual feelings (attraction) towards eachother, are companions and like to spend time together, that is essentially a romantic relationship What's being discussed is a situation where only the man has romantic feelings for the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:52 AM
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If you spend years as a friend with someone and then end contact and friendship with them because you can't handle their rejection of your one sided physical attraction... that is disrespectful to the person you claim to have cared about It's not disrespectful if the man ends the friendship and walks away. It'll be better for his mental health. Of course, this is not a rule, just a suggestion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:51 AM
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You misunderstood. I'm saying if she found him physically attractive, and he makes it known that he likes her as more than a friend, she would NOT remain friends, but would become more than friends with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:50 AM
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I mean, we're talking about a scenario where a man apparently says "You've been such a great friend to me that I've fallen in love with you. Enter a relationship where I can have sex with you or I will never see you again." It doesn't have to be that dramatic. But the man should be able to walk away from a woman who rejected him. The fact that they were friends in the past is immaterial.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:48 AM
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Or it's because she doesn't want to go out with him And that is because she doesn't find him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:40 AM
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I think if she doesn't want to go out with him, she doesn't want to go out with him. If she doesn't want to go out with him, it's because she doesn't find him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:35 AM
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She may also not want a romantic relationship "I find you physically attractive, and I'm thrilled that you see me as more than just a friend, but I must reject you because I'm not interested in a romantic relationship at this point in time" ^ Things that never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:34 AM
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And why does that change anything of what they said? What they said leaves out the aspect of physical attraction. If a woman found her male friend physically attractive, and then he makes it known that he's romantically interested in her, do you think she'd feel disrespected or offended?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:31 AM
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Probably because of the disrespect he's shown for their supposed understanding about the nature of the relationship That's only if she doesn't find him physically attractive. If she found him physically attractive, she'd be ecstatic upon learning that he likes her as more than just a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:27 AM
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But telling 20 yo women to settle for the nice guy instead of exploring is just silly. The problem (for her) is that when she's done "exploring", the chances of her finding someone to settle down with is reduced drastically. Most dudes, nice guys or otherwise, don't want women who've been with too many men. It's just the way it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:09 PM
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i mean to say attractiveness is more than just the physical appearance, All attraction begins with physical attraction. If a guy fails a woman's looks test, his other traits don't matter at all because he's out of the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:13 AM
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If a woman has to choose between 2 equally attractive dudes, she'll pick the richer one. In other words, money > everything else She'll pick the richer one because both guys meet her looks criteria. If there was a third guy who was as rich as one of the attractive dudes, she wouldn't consider him as a choice. And if both attractive guys became ugly, she'd reject both of them outright and not bother with choosing one. That's why looks > everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 09:08 AM
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It depends on what the woman is looking for. If she's looking for casual short term fun, she'll pick the better looking broke guy -- only if he is really good looking. If she's looking to settle down/marry, and can only choose between the two, she might pick the rich not very good looking guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 05:17 AM
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Guys Usually Have Problems With Dating Because of Money, Not How They Look or Act If a woman has to choose between 2 equally rich dudes, she'll pick the better looking one. In other words, looks > everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 03:34 AM
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Just being able to talk to people and being able to attract women are not the same thing, or else women would be attracted to every man who talks to them. Exactly. I've been working office jobs for 20 years. I talk to people, including women, regularly. Since I'm at a senior position, I organize and lead meetings and presentations. I can confidently say I've got the social skills necessary for my job. But I've never been able to use them to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:30 PM
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Going to gym definitely involves interacting with people. Guys with genuinely poor social skills tend to be loners and have self-esteem issues. They avoid gym and don't prioritize their health, which in turn results in them being out of shape. Your hypothetical physically fit guy with a stable, well-paying job who also lacks social skills doesn't fit the profile of someone who has poor social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:24 PM
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you meet a guy. He's 25 years old. Physically, he is very fit: he has a sixpack, runs marathons, and squats 250lbs. He works as a database engineer at some tech company and makes $150K/year. He is well groomed, has a good haircut, and lives in a nice and well-decorated appartment. He also is really good at drawing, and runs an Instagram art account with 30K followers. However, he has absolutely zero social skills. Working at a tech firm, working out at a gym, running marathons, being well groome…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:04 PM
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Grow a fucking spine No. I need to grow a nice face. But that's not possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 03:09 PM
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I had non conventionally handsome guys approaching me and they were super nice and ended up having dates In other words, they ended up meeting the rare person (you) who gives ugly dudes a chance. It's called getting lucky. really attractive guys that made me run away So you ran away because they were really attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:46 PM
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Yeah he was hot. Ah so that explains why he was able to hook up. Maybe he had behavioral issues, but that's beside the point. You're starting to sound like him now. Permanently defeated. I'm defeated because I'm severely lacking in the looks department.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:43 PM
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I knew him from when he was 8 till like 28. He's like 5'11 - body looked like Brad Pitt in fight club in his late 20s. Ok. But did he have a FACE like Brad Pitt's? Because the face makes all the difference. Plenty of ugly dudes go to gym and get jacked. But they still fail to get a GF because of their FACE. I'm sure he's hooked up here and there once or twice. Then he's good looking enough to be desired by some women at least for a hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:57 AM
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I've known some really good looking folks that just couldn't get rid of their incel stench Are you saying they never had a GF, or at least had sex, despite being good looking? I find that hard to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 01:34 AM
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The worse I act and the worse I treat women the more sex I get and it took me a while to realize exactly why that is. It has little or nothing to do with your behavior. You get women because they find you physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:40 PM
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Anyway, I believe this is true because even a lot of legitimately good dudes are scared to approach women now. Even if it's not consequences as drastic as public shame, guys don't want to be potentially seen as creepy or weird. Ok. But good looking dudes don't have that problem. They can approach women and not be seen as creepy or weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:25 AM
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If men are capable of having hookups that mean nothing to them, then so can women. A woman with a history of hookups will be affected negatively in her later years, especially when it's time to settle down. Because most dudes don't want to settle down with women who've been with too many men. (Edit: Downvote all you want, but it's the truth lol) Inversely, a dude with a history of hookups can go ahead and settle down with the 'love of his life' without an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:14 PM
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TLDR: When it comes to women, “looks” IS NOT the end all be all of her carnal attraction. “Looks” is simply a litmus to enter into her orbit. It IS NOT the operative trigger for her active arousal So the "looks" test is the first hurdle a guy needs to pass. In other words, everything begins with looks. The dude usually does something or behaves in a way to mentally trigger some form of arousal that MAKES US FEEL SOMETHING. An ugly dude would fail the "looks" test, so he'll never get the chance t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:05 PM
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In all honesty, do you really think men, who are primarily judged on their economic and status potential should be dating when and if they find themselves unemployed or underemployed? When it comes to dating/relationships, employment status doesn't matter. All that matters is physical attraction. Once that's been established, the rest can be figured out. We all have become familiar with the arguments in this sub that Chad can be a “hobosexual” and freeload off the women he’s dating, who are actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:18 AM
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If women like bad guys Only if they're good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:01 PM
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More women should join the 4B movement in the US Question: would women doing the 4B thing make exceptions for tall well built Chads who show interest in them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:22 AM
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Also the "sex strike" thing is laughable, It's just a Tiktok fad. Or a silly revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:20 AM
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A dominant, muscular, tall insensitive asshole is gonna be way more successful than a sensitive effeminate “nice guy” Absolutely. I knew a guy like that who'd talk over his GF and even say things like "no, just shut up and listen" if she said something he disagreed with. Total narcissist. He always got the women he laid his eyes upon. Of course, women said he was "really sweet on the inside". If you look good enough, and if the girl you like desires you physically, the "rules" don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 03:34 PM
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Being sensitive as a guy is a good thing Given the examples you provided, being "sensitive" is a "good thing" only if the guy wants to be perceived as unmanly and soft.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 03:25 PM
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Eradicate "influencer" culture: Social media is full of obscenely attractive people with perfect faces, bodies and clothes being paid to promote whatever brands are trying to sell this week. Lets end that. We don't need young people thinking they have failed if they don't look like that and dress like that and present themselves like that. But I was told that looks don't matter. So all those influencers are making money because of their personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 02:47 AM
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In this clip a divorced woman explains how it is okay to leave your marriage and family if you are unhappy. Just because your SO is doing all the right things on paper doesn't mean you feel in love. It doesn't mean you are happy. Makes perfect sense if you're selfish and narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:56 PM
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