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I'm sorry if it seems like I'm baiting you, that's really not my intention. The difficulty I have with the rhetoric here is that it seems divisive. Whether or not that's the explicit intent, that's how it is taken up by the wider public (at least in the west). If the goal is to create real improvement for men, then that requires the cooperation of the state and the public, which in turn requires rhetoric that will persuade them to see your perspective and sympathize with it. Obviously that's jus…
/r/MensRights31/10/19 10:51 PM
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That's a helpful distinction, thank you. Do you think it's possible that the root cause could be a combination of these two group perspectives?
/r/MensRights31/10/19 10:38 PM
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Everyone is biased and I'm no different. I sympathize with some of your movement's goals, but feel a lot of the rhetoric isn't productive or conducive to actually helping men with the issues they face. I'm just trying to better understand the different movements that seem to be interested in creating change for men in these ways. My first question to you was about whether there are issues that men face that are male created and could potentially benefit from men helping other men. You feel that …
/r/MensRights31/10/19 10:33 PM
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When you say that these attacks are directed towards men who speak out do you mean men who are part of MRM, or men generally? I'm sure there is some overlap, especially on social media where there is plenty of toxicity, but there are also a growing number of examples of prominent male figures who have spoken out about experiences with mental health issues and sexual assault. These seem to be taken seriously by most. Also, what about violence? Men are far more likely to be murdered or assaulted, …
/r/MensRights31/10/19 10:14 PM
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Assuming this double standard was resolved, do you think you would prefer that men and women simply focused on their own issues? Or is there value to a healthy dialogue with men and women's perspectives on both sets of issues?
/r/MensRights31/10/19 09:50 PM
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Yeah, I definitely know their opinion now. I was more interested in this sub's opinion given the FAQ says that there's no coherent movement. I'm just trying to get an idea of where MRM begins and ends. As for the blaming of men, I can see how frustrating and unproductive that can be. Do you not think that there is some truth to the idea that some issues that men face do come from "male culture" (for lack of a better term)? It seems like the blaming of feminists for everything could be equally un…
/r/MensRights31/10/19 09:43 PM
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They seem to (and I'm not an expert, which is why I'm asking questions) also be concerned about male mental health, physical and sexual violence, and fatherhood. Isn't the desire to improve these things for men generally in line with what the beliefs are here? Or is the disagreement on how they want to fix them? Also, why does it have to be who has it harder? Couldn't it be true that men and women both have difficulties that are often quite different and some of men's difficulties are simply mor…
/r/MensRights31/10/19 09:37 PM
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