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If she bible thumps at you quote the passage that says you can't get divorced. It's repeated in three of the four gospels. There is no getting around it. Jesus said what she's doing is adultery.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 02:24 PM
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Society went from having 0 flight capabilities whatsoever to dropping nuclear bombs on itself within the span of 100 years 42 years. 1903-1945. Boggles the mind even more huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 05:24 AM
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"Facta Non Verba." The dad's advice is ancient wisdom. Millennia old. It is perhaps an oversight not to mention that it applies to men too. But perhaps the boy never needed that advice before, having a sheltered upbringing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 06:52 AM
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They don't. Nobody deserves to be treated badly for an honest mistake. And everybody deserves an appropriate level of chastisement for acting dishonestly, for actually doing wrong. This applies regardless of your genitalia or what you call yourself. I will add that calling it a mistake when one deliberately engaged in bad behavior is dishonest. As is attributing malice or stupidity to someone who merely suffered a misfortune.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 03:21 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 09:42 PM
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Do you think redpill is about avoiding casual sex, raising a family, and enforcing a duty of men to their partners? Or what? Because there is no version of Christianity, or even any Judeo-Christian religion, that doesn't emphasize those three things.
/r/MGTOW208/01/19 03:06 PM
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How so? What part of what I've said is wrong? I'm happy to link bible passages and serious theological commentary if you wanna go there.
/r/MGTOW206/01/19 08:37 PM
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Even polygamous marriage imposes a set of duties. Even arranged marriages. It's still nothing like the "do as you please just don't get used" ethic of RP.
/r/MGTOW206/01/19 08:36 PM
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Breadpill is not redpill. Completely different set of ideas. Redpill/PUA behavior is banned. Man is in charge of the household but he's also not allowed to even think about other women. No, really, "impure thoughts" and fantasies count as adultery. And a man who has sex without marrying the woman is going to hell. Single men better not look at porn or jerk off either. Dating is not a thing. It's either courtship leading to marriage, or celibacy. And marital sex better be making babies. Contracep…
/r/MGTOW206/01/19 06:28 AM
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Evolution is the best explanation. A typical woman can mother perhaps a dozen children, a typical man can sire 10,000 or more. So you could literally kill off 90% of men and not break the birth rate. A corollary is that most women can reproduce with the top-fitness men (whatever the criteria of fitness might be) and so there is no need for the less fit ones. Exerting much greater selective pressure on half the population is a great strategy for faster adaptation when it doesn't impact the birth …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 08:04 PM
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Investigate a representative sample of women. It doesn't have to be a survey. But "people I see around me" is not a representative sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:53 AM
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When you look around you don't see the average woman. There is no average woman. You see specific women. And the more noticeable the woman is, the more likely you are to see her. Your anecdotal evidence is worth less than even a self-reported survey of college students. Because the latter at least tells us something objective about what college students say. The former only tells us what you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:35 AM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:32 AM
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You hear a fact, and infer a whole bunch of non-sequitur shit from that fact. You sir epitomize prejudice, projecting your own values on everyone. Because clearly, if mid-adult virginity is a red flag, then nobody as competent at life as yourself (or moreso) would choose virginity. It's unthinkable! Your prejudices reflect your unconscious cultural privilege: Western, hedonistic, chauvinist. Scornful of people with different values. Maybe try listening to the stories of people with different bac…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 12:14 AM
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In other words "I believe low n-count men are immature losers. Women who prefer n>30 think like me."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 06:14 PM
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Why does being a virgin make you unaware of the club scene? If a woman abstains from premarital sex because of her values she still might go out with friends, meet people, even dance and drink. And have a normal sex drive. She just wouldn't go for hookups, and prefer courtship over dates. I think I see what you're getting at of course. I'm just emphasizing how off the "unaware" bit sounds because abstinent virgins are typically quite well aware of their sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 05:32 AM
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The "Unaware of her sexuality" part is lost on most of the respondants here, I think. Asexuality is not the same as chastity. Most of the men responding "the 28 year old" probably have a picture of a healthy, self-aware woman who waited for marriage. Someone who might have slept around and could have enjoyed it but chose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 05:04 AM
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It's not necessarily lying. I mean this in regards to everyone not just women: people don't know what they want. We might say that what we care about most is stability, compassion, personal character when in fact we filter potential mates by physical appearance and social standing without even thinking about it. Lack of self insight is rampant and always has been. But it's not the same as lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 02:48 PM
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You believe that nobody lies to you successfully because you are 100% confident in your own ability to detect lies on account of not lying to yourself. And you accuse others of solipsism. Hm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 01:43 PM
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Oooh I can help! I love references. First off, the OP link itself is on the face of it an "attempt to justify and normalize cuckoldry" by definition: Cuckold means a man whose wife sleeps with other men. So cuckoldry is, depending on context, either a form of cheating or of polyamory. So what remains is to show that this has been going on for a while: that it's "another" attempt rather than a novel one. Okay? Here is a cuckoldry-positive article in a major news site from a while back: https://ww…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 04:37 PM
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You have understated the problem. Self-centered people will lie to you. Convincingly. People lie because it works. Cheaters pretend to be loyal and take advantage of loyal people. Abusers pretend to be nice and take advantage of nice people. Greedy people lie for resources. And so on. It's easy for a solipsist, who doesn't really believe in other people to do this. Far easier than for a healthy person. It doesn't take one to know one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 02:50 PM
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I'm not even talking about male vs female here. Ungender the subject and it's easier to make sense of things. Self-absorption/solipsism vs empathy/connectedness is on a different axis from promiscuity vs chastity. They can vary independently. Consider: solipsism is as much a problem for promiscuous types as for chaste ones. A promiscuous solipsist wants to use people for pleasure and ego-building. A chaste solipsist wants to use one person for pleasure and ego-building. Obviously the two won't g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 06:21 AM
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Who is even debating the merits of Western culture compared to others? That angle practically never comes up. The "pills" debate is internal to Western culture. Talk of Gynocentrism is a response to Patriarchy-rhetoric for example. The question is whether Western culture is or ought to be these things. And you can't even get away from Westernization. I mean, Japan? America literally wrote them a constitution after bombing them into the stone age, which only happened because Japan itself Westerni…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 06:06 AM
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This passage But in the process of not enforcing their boundaries they either never knew them, or denied them. They lied. To themselves. Enforcing your own personal boundaries isn't a matter of strength, it's a matter of honesty. Looks like it equally applies to promiscuous individuals as to chaste ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 05:51 AM
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Here's the final synthesis of what he's talking about: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postgenderism Of course he was referring not to postgenderism in particular, but the conditions which gave rise to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:05 PM
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Your definition is solid. Here's the thing though: there is a cohort of women who themselves want ltr's but are only attracted to men who don't want that. Yes, these people want a contradiction, an impossibility. I'm not saying it's all women. They are quite few, but they are quite loud. They're the ones being made fun of for their lack of self-awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 05:53 PM
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Wow... Here I was thinking "Oh that headline is click bait. There's probably some extra bit of context that makes the phrase more sensible." Nope. And perhaps most striking was the story Stontland related involving a girl who initiated oral sex with another of her clients but never gave a verbal "yes": "If you go in somebody’s dorm room and she touches you, and places your penis in her mouth, she has not conveyed consent," she said. But the most fucked up thing is how they even twist the counter…
/r/MGTOW11/11/18 01:56 PM
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Yeah as I said earlier, rock climbers will be even more out there. We're not debating whether they develop exceptional grip strength. They generally aren't slouches on deadlift, either. Just like lifters aren't slouches on grip.
/r/PussyPassDenied30/09/18 08:10 PM
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Deadlift performace is 97% correlated with grip strength. Scientists have studied it. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280408878_Grip_Strength_and_Powerlifting_Performance
/r/PussyPassDenied30/09/18 07:59 PM
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And to put that in context, #2 in both hands is slightly better than our 175kg guy.
/r/PussyPassDenied29/09/18 09:13 PM
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Have you seen how crazy those grippers get? Captains of Crush sells one (the no. 4) equivalent to 165kg on one hand. The graph here is combined grip on both hands, so I think a gripper enthusiast would be even further out.
/r/PussyPassDenied29/09/18 06:11 PM
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I agree a rock climber is likely to have that grip strength too, but where do you get your claim about powerlifters? No way in hell a dude can pull 800 off the floor with a grip strength of 60.
/r/PussyPassDenied29/09/18 06:07 PM
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He's probably the one that deadlifts. If you plotted athletes instead of random people he wouldn't even be an outlier.
/r/PussyPassDenied29/09/18 02:57 PM
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I think "Career Women" and "Nice Guy" are crypto-slurs, dripping with sarcasm and dishonesty, and that we should eschew them. People who have bought into a delusional view of the world, who are too poorly socialized to get and keep a healthy relationship and come to resent the object of their desire - whether men or women - are pitiful not contemptible. Both are suffering from membership in the same toxic sexual-gratification culture. I think both are made fun of for the same reason: because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 05:53 PM
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Which makes it even less Trumpian.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 04:58 PM
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It sure does. How about a left-biased source published during Obama's presidency? Here: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/09/study-of-the-day-home-schooled-children-score-higher-on-tests/245036/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 12:00 AM
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I'll give you that; suppose your low opinion of homeschooling is uniformly true. Even so, whether it's a good idea to try still depends on how terrible your other options are. There are neighborhoods where the public schools only socialize kids for criminality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 11:48 PM
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To be fair, that depends on the number of children and the nature & quality of care. Raising 5 children, each a couple years apart, the youngest a baby is a tremendous undertaking. So is homeschooling (if done properly).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 04:26 PM
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Who grew up in unapolagetically-racist Japan. I'm sure Osaka experienced orders of magnitude more racism on account if her ethnicity than Williams ever did.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/09/18 05:59 AM
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Yep. And What hurts most is that since he got positive consent for everything, now she can't blame him. Has to own up to the fact that she got exactly what she unambiguously asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/18 12:55 PM
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It's easy to argue with critical theory. You start with the question: "what kind of evidence would it take to change your mind?" When they reply that evidence is a standard of patriarchal oppression, you have won the argument. Because they have admitted to being unreasonable. The point isn't to convince the adherents, of course. It's to expose and discredit them. The real challenge is getting a bigot to stand for debate in the first place....
/r/MGTOW08/09/18 02:00 PM
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Sex is a biological morphological trait. Gender is also biological, but the term describes a collection of correlated behavioral traits. Transexualism probably originated from a biological cause, but not deterministically (that is, there are probably biological features that can cause intractable gender dysphoria, a legitimate psychiatric condition, that may be best treated by transition). It is important to note that I describe all of the above as traits, not identities. An identity is a chosen…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 07:06 AM
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In a country founded on enlightenment classical liberal values, trying to carefully maintain them IS conservative. Anyway, what about Charles Murray? Is he leftist too?
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 08:49 PM
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Universal basic income was a conservative thing originally. Tom Paine invented it. Charles Murray (the Bell Curve guy) was accused of racism to poison the well because he proposed UBI as a cheaper alternative to medicare + social security + unemployment + foodstamps. AK is being colonized by leftists but its biggest salient features come from conservatism.
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 02:52 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 07:28 PM
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Then what OP describes is not what other people mean when they say "objectification." His definition is at odds with the common one. It doesn't mean "any mental representation of another person." It means a certain kind of mental representation, one which leaves out elements that should be present when thinking about people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 04:14 PM
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Well then here: http://web.mit.edu/langton/www/pubs/Love&Solipsism.pdf Be prepared, this is journal-level philosophy here, so she works every argument out in multi-paragraph rigor. It may take a while to read. But her conclusion is unambiguous: that no matter how bad an interpretation of body objectification you take, a mutual love that incorporates openness, honesty and friendship overcomes it. She goes through the kind of interpretation you take here, describes it as a prison and presents that…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 03:51 AM
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Let's establish some context. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-objectification/ Kant originally used objectification in an ethical argument for monogamy. He certainly didn't regard the presence of and attraction to physical attributes as a sufficient condition for objectification. Nussbaum doesn't either, obviously, since she did not list that among the conditions. Langton, writing in the last decade, introduced the notion of reduction to body / reduction to appearance. So would you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 02:56 AM
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How? By mere virtue of their presence?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 01:40 AM
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Sexuality in the context of a loving and lasting relationship is not objectifying by anyone's definition, as far as I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 12:23 AM
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Yeah I see the comparison. I think nonviolence is a more common standard because it's so basic, so much simpler to follow. I mean it's not that burdensome. "You don't whack me, I don't whack you, and we can talk!" The implication that if you do whack someone, you get whacked, is usually enough discouragement. We aren't all thwapping each other constantly, after all. Rapaport's rules assume a much more robust social connection than merely not hurting one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 08:24 PM
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I see what you did there. Rejecting Rapaport's rules while technically following them. You've persuaded me that the snark and sarcasm and contempt would only transform under those rules. They presuppose a good faith cooperative attitude on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 03:07 PM
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Your definition of "voluntary" is unreasonable if you regard sexual orientation and compliance under threat of force (all law is backed up by such a threat) as voluntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 06:22 PM
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If you call my usage willful misunderstanding then I can just as easily call your usage humpty-dumptying. How do we figure out which is right? Surely the etymology of the term matters, right? "Incel" has always had a clear denotative meaning since it was coined in 1993 by a female incel who was later able to recover. Look up Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project. But be sure to find pre-2016 sources (that's when the media smearing began). Here's a good starting point: http://incelblog.blogspot.co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 03:27 PM
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Equality is a social construct. More specifically, it is a social construct generated by the very same Western European Patriarchal/Colonial culture that so many radicals hope to overturn. As if doing so would give us some utopia. Something other than return to the laws of nature. The law of nature is inequality. Not financial or social inequality. No. The violent kind. Where the strong prey upon the weak, individually and in groups. Where victimization doesn't mean being oppressed, it means bei…
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 07:55 AM
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The No True Feminist fallacy eh?
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 07:29 AM
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Right. Well, sort of. I wouldn't say it's "most" - because I don't know that. And you don't either. We haven't got reliable statistics on the question. Involuntary celibacy has received little scientific scrutiny, and what research we have relates indirectly. But if you're saying what I think, then we agree on something. Not everyone who identifies as incel is incel, because "involuntary celibate" is a descriptive term rather than a self-selected identity or an organization. Just like "wealthy" …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:44 AM
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People get defensive because telling them they're wrong is offensive. I'm not being snarky or dramatic here; "You're wrong" is by its nature the most basic offensive thing you can say to someone. All the insults out there are just elaborations & exaggerations that encode some version of "you're wrong." You have to overcome that to have any kind of meaningful conversation. I'm trying...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 12:36 AM
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I can. It's a wide range of situations. Some people are incel because of mental damage. As in maladaptive behavior patterns from childhood make them unable to start a relationship. Others have a good upbringing and healthy outlook but wake up one day to say "I'm 30. I have never even been on a date. Let's try it." and proceed to try a range of dating options with no success. "What am I doing wrong?" Eventually they find someone who levels with them and says what the problem is. Maybe they have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 12:31 AM
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Do you think there would be any media coverage without the murders? Isn't there a direct causal relationship? Maybe not. Let's say it has nothing to do with media furor over dramatically-public crimes. You're still doing the fallacy of composition. Because it doesn't matter what the count is. Even if every incel board ever was toxic to the core from the beginning, the group is larger than the boards, and the people running them do not represent the whole. Even if it's a million of them. Even if …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 10:43 PM
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Except "National Socialist" was never socialist in the dictionary sense. It was a sloganeered party name from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 10:11 PM
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No they haven't. Three people committed murders and claimed involuntary celibacy as their motive. And then various actors in the media (including Reddit admins) laid blame for the crimes on message boards created for incels. Then it became popular to blame all incels. It's a textbook example of a composition-fallacy-based meme going viral and creating bigotry. It went down exactly the same way Muslims got blamed for terrorism. Exactly the same way gays got a reputation as sexual predators in Rus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:50 PM
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No, I am doing neither. I am not just talking about involuntary virgins nor people who self-identify as 'incel.' I am talking about the abbreviated term as an attribute. Taking it at face value: "involuntary celibate" means abstaining from marriage, romance and sexual relations for reasons that are not voluntary. I am talking about people with a desire for sexual-romantic companionship who cannot hope to satisfy it. Whether they call themselves 'incel' or not. Whether they are in fact virgins or…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:18 PM
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I suppose there is a proportion of religious adherents like that, who just can't help it. That's not really what I was getting at though. The thing about religions is they contain and act-out philosophical ideas. So membership in one is more than just a single involuntary attribute. You can criticize a religion's content, because it is fair to attribute some shared ideas to a religion's adherents. It might not be fair to attribute Sharia law to all Muslims, mind you, but it's certainly fair to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:46 PM
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Incel means "Involuntary Celibate." It is not a slogan or a faction name, it is just an abbreviation. Can we agree on that much?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:36 PM
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Okay. I agree that not every virgin or lonely person is incel. Indeed, not everyone who calls themselves incel is involuntarily celibate. Again, it is not a group defined by self-identification; it is defined as an involuntary attribute. So you can claim to have the attribute and be wrong, just as you might claim to be a US citizen and be wrong, or claim to be a victim and be wrong. So we are talking about people who, for reasons not related to their volition, cannot hope to satisfy their sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:34 PM
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I am saying the category is bigger than just the people who go online spouting violent rhetoric; that the part is not representative of the whole. The same way that black gangbangers aren't representative of all black people. Or gay rapists aren't representative of all gays. Or ISIL terrorists are not representative of all Muslims. Or abortion clinic bombers are not representative of all Christians. The rhetorical logic behind attacking all these groups is the same. It's called the Fallacy of Co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:50 PM
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Let me try to change your view, in a perhaps unexpected way: saying incels are dangerous is worse than saying Muslims are dangerous. You see, "incel" differes from Muslim in that the latter category is voluntary, self-identified, and shares at least some ideas and behaviors in common. But incel is by definition involuntary, people are in that category whether they admit it or not, and they need not have anything else in common. Anyone with a healthy interest in sex who, through no fault of their…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:47 PM
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Yep. I would say the 3rd wave of feminism has eroded much of what the 1st wave valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 12:02 PM
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"Freedom to" implies "freedom from" and vice-versa. Freedom to live is freedom from being killed. Freedom to speak is freedom from being silenced. Freedom to keep the product of your labor is freedom from being enslaved. And so on. They are equivalent to one another. They imply a right to fight back when threatened. And they imply a duty of inaction on other people - a responsibility not to do something e.g. not to murder or steal, and so on. But none of these implies a duty of action. My right …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 11:57 AM
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Let's clear up what "rights" means. A right is something a person can do and nobody ought to stop them. To live, to speak, to travel freely, to engage in voluntary commerce with others, to refuse to do anything, and so on. There are as many rights as there are things people can do. They all start with and are justified by the person's desire to do them. They all end when they trample on someone else's rights. So you can't have a right that forces someone else to do something. For example, if we …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 06:14 AM
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I told you employment discrimination is not a rights issue, it is an equity issue. That's three of your 5 points. Did you read that and choose to ignore it? Equity was what 2nd wave feminism focused on. It is not what we are talking about here. On to the two good points: yes in 1961 three out of fifty states excluded women from juries: Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina. I would call that 94% victory. But it's not perfect, sure. Can you give me a reference for that wills thing? I don't disb…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 05:19 AM
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What legal or civil rights did men have in the USA in 1961 that were not already secured by women as well? We're talking about Rights, mind you, not circumstances or treatment or status - that's equity stuff. Anti-discrimination laws enforced on private employers also fall under equity. And don't say "abortion" - that issue is women vs. the state, not women vs. men (because it never had anything to do with men). What have you got? The whole bill of rights was guaranteed. We had the Pill already,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 04:29 AM
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I never cast it as gun-rights. First wave feminism was very clearly about all the rights and I said as much. Rights which include autonomy and self-defense. I highlight self-defense because it contradicts this notion of yours that fourth-wave feminism is about defending women from aggression. Nonsense. Fourth wave feminism is about attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 03:16 AM
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Nope. You don't even understand the previous waves of feminism. The first wave of feminism included full legal equality including the right to self-defense up to and including the use of guns, which protects against male sexual aggression better than any hypothetical legal institution possibly could. Second wave feminism is about equity (e.g. equal career outcomes) and third wave is about diversity and inclusion (i.e. demolishing gender roles). Fourth wave feminism is just a subset of the broade…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 02:18 AM
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Not really. Nip & tuck is super common, and one of the cheapest cosmetic procedures. And you know older people have more money than young people in general. Nothing you have said actually supports your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 04:07 PM
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Older people can get fit too. And many of the unattractive symptoms of ageing are really due to accumulated bad diet and inactivity (fat and bad posture). The difference between 50 year olds who takes care of themselves and those who fake it is huge. Women can lift weights for example, but not nearly enough of them do. And they can always try changing up their dating behaviors too, right? And remember: height and bad bone structure and are not fixable at all without surgery, which the older peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 08:26 PM
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Well, it could also be a clue as to what he has been up to in the past I suppose. It's definitely a jab at the guy more than his date, and it sounds like you would expect him to take offense at it. Thanks for your candor. So it's deeper than just the implication of trashy/poor. Like it's that part plus a base-level of stigma for prostitution itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 03:52 AM
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Hmmmm.... If you were mistaken for an "escort" - like say you're dating a guy and his friend says he must be paying you - how would that change the reaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 02:23 AM
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That's... part of what I'm sayijng! You can recommend those things equally to an aging woman or an ugly boy. Why assume that one needs advice while the other needs sympathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 02:39 PM
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You saw my source right? Some countries are a bit sexier. But the average teen is not ugly so my point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 02:36 PM
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From here: https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-003-x/2012001/article/11632-eng.htm Granted, you might be in a sexier country. Anyhow, "Average-looking" means more attractive than half the men out there, which is to say not naturally ugly. You have no idea what it's like for the bottom 20% or so, who have bad asymmetry, blotchy skin, bad bone structure and so on. You think you've got agency in your own life, but you have never really examined it enough to realize how false that is. You're just anoth…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 04:35 AM
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"Been fucking chicks" since age 17... so what exactly do you know about self-improvement? You were already in the upper 30% as a teenager. You've drawn a good hand in the genetic lottery and want to attribute it to your own hard work rather than admit that life is unfair. It's understandable I guess. Most attractive people tend to believe that life is fair, after all: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0033294118763172 You're not even presenting a coherent argument here, just repeating …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 12:58 AM
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Why are you so willing to allow that, for older women, there is nothing they can do about their dating prospects, but not extend the same consideration to young men? Why not give the old ladies advice too? Why not allow that many young men have dating trouble through no fault of their own? The root logic behind what you're saying appears to be sexism and age bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/18 09:32 PM
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Okay let me elaborate just a bit further on what "match percentage," the variable they controlled for, describes. Users could answer survey questions about a wide range of topics like politics, income, profession, religion, recreational interests and so on. Thousands of such questions in the system. Not only did they put their own answer, but they could also rate what they want a potential match to say, as well as how important it is. So when you talk about how Middle Easterners are biased again…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 12:39 AM
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Is "shallow" some binary attribute that everyone has? By that logic it's meaningless to compare people at all. The OP seemed to regard it as a property that can be partially ordered (i.e. you can compare people's shallowness) and can differ among many people (which means not binary). And I agree. A clear and simple definition of shallow, then, would be "tending to make decisions based on superficial characteristics." It is by that definition that my evidence shows women as more shallow than men …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 12:17 AM
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That is true. The "in terms of racial bias and in terms of attractiveness rating" is the part that translates to "shallow." To restate: women on average select based on shallow criteria more than men do. Happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 06:56 PM
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So you're sayng you don't believe the data... because it is inconsistent with your own racial prejudices? Okay... Let's assume your stereotype is true. Couldn't a good explanation of the lack of discrepancy based on indians-being-poor be that they controlled for income? Because the OKC match percentage incorporated questions about income & income preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 03:40 PM
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I didn't even know that was a thing /subscribe!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 08:17 PM
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Shallowness is displayed by both sexes: I agree with you on that much. By any metric you could use to quantify it, the number will certainly not be zero. But this notion that males and females behave equivalently in terms if superficial attractiveness is demonstrably false. Women are more selective both in terms of racial bias and in terms of attractiveness-rating. https://theblog.okcupid.com/how-your-race-affects-the-messages-you-get-39c68771b99e https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 04:20 PM
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Ohhhh that's true, it's a gamble either way. Death by starvation / being murdered while trying to get food, versus death by childbirth & accumulated injuries... It really comes down to whether trying to get out is an option. The homeless man is more likely to die but also more likely to improve their situation by virtue of being free. But if there's no way out, then the homeless man is only free to starve, not really freer than the teen bride.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 08:14 PM
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Depends on the country. If we're talking a wealthy democracy with healthy charitable or welfare institutions, then homeless man for sure. If we're talking a poorer country, I would take teen bride because a life that is merely brutal slightly edges out a life that is brutal and short.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 06:51 AM
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I would add that "too muscular" can only be achieved by exogenous hormones and a crazy diet on top of the exercise; and it's the latter things that are bad for your health, not the muscle. Pre-steroid body builders looked like today's underwear models for the most part.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 06:41 AM
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It's true and it's been going on for about the same amount of time as the flat-earth society has existed (started in the 70's). Which is an interesting but probably meaningless correlation.... or is it?
/r/MGTOW05/04/18 04:39 PM
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If we're going for common usage, then Femininity itself is toxic and needs to be abolished. That's the sort of thing "Toxic Masculinity" has come to mean. And that's some bullshit that I generally won't put up with. If you want something more originalist, like to identify bad stereotypes that women internalize, that's better. That sort of toxic femininity is mostly neoteny: holding on to childish traits through adulthood. Like naivete, impulsiveness, irresponsibility, favoring emotion over reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/18 02:50 PM
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That was the first clue. MGTOW's don't hate. Hatred is a kind of attachment, and the beginning of the road is detachment. Only outsiders and newbies miss that fact.
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 04:21 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Dodson#Women's_masturbation_education She got started in the 60's. 40+ years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/18 11:49 AM
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That's just not true. Genghis Khan, for example didn't invest in the vast majority of his children. He raped women and then left them. As did his heirs. He has millions of descendants - 1 in 200 people today are descended from him. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan/ The genetic evidence says that he's not the only one to behave this way. Like I said, we all have twice as many women as men ancestors because only half the men (or less) t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 04:44 PM
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Still no investment necessary. A woman is typically able to find a way to care for her baby. And if a few don't, it doesn't matter for this type of father because there are other babies with other mothers. It's a brutal heartless numbers game like much of evolutionary biology. Did you know you have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 06:54 AM
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if we go by the route of biological determinism for the sake of the argument, investment must be an important factor to BOTH sexes Why is this the case? The cuckolding reproductive strategy - impregnation of women who already have another man invested in them - seems sound from the evolutionary standpoint for men capable of executing it. The whole point is that the man making the babies doesn't necessarily have to care for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 01:56 AM
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I think the "NoP" gender (#61) is particularly awesome. You know, the one that refuses to be referred to using pronouns!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 09:09 AM
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The sociologists who played Humpty-Dumpty and redefined "sexism" to include additional requirements are the ones mixing up definitions. OP is using the correct definition. You don't get to decide what words mean ince they've passed into common usage. To use "sexism" in the institutional sense without marking it by saying e.g. "institutional sexism" is to argue in bad faith. Similarly say "structural sexism" or "systematic sexism". The unmarked word means the dictionary definition, like it or not…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 11:16 PM
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The trouble with pejoratives is they get flung around everywhere. I'm sure that lots of timid passove guys have been called "nice guys" in that sense, but the thing it's supposed to describe is not timidness or passivity. "Niceguy" is a sarcastic insult meant to descrbe chavinists who want sex, and thus only act nice in order to get dates. This approach fails really quick when the guy is passove and timid, so maybe that's where your association came from. The "niceguys" who don't succeed get the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 08:00 AM
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Oh for sure. I just mean stuff like that - taking trees down and carrying heavy supplies - is also a post-survival endeavor. Men are more adapted to that kind of work, and a lot of other things. But I am talking about traits that help you through periods of hunger and danger. Mere survival and bare subsistence. If sexual dimorphism on its own had made women bad at that, we would've been extinct long ago. Indeed, there is more selective pressure for the women to need survival traits than men, sin…
/r/PussyPassDenied18/02/18 05:02 PM
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This. The physical differences between sexes don't really favor men for surviving in the woods. A man's strength and speed only help when fighting other humans; all the beasts out there are ridiculously strong and fast by comparison. Smart humans catch stuff with traps more than anything else. Men are not better trap-makers. Women should be a bit better off as survivalists, frankly, due to slightly lower caloric requirements and slightly better ability to discern sounds, colors and smells. The h…
/r/PussyPassDenied18/02/18 06:33 AM
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You know, now that I think about it I've never seen or heard of a study that accounts for reverse causation either (i.e. the fact that you died at age 19 means you can't get married) or external causes of both death and single status (like terminal degenerative illnesses). I want that now. A study of individuals who are never married and express no interest in marriage, controlled for risk factors like disability, income, criminal record, race and sexual orientation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 09:06 PM
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Oh crap you're right. I re-read this passage of the article: Or take marriage. The chart below indicates that middle-aged men without college degrees are much less likely to be married than their college-educated peers, either because they got divorced or never married in the first place. This matters because Phillips' work indicates that unmarried men are about 240 percent more likely to kill themselves, compared to their married peers. Thus, in all likelihood, the nation's dramatic retreat fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:35 PM
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If you can't associate sex with love then you lack something valuable that most people have. If you lost that ability then yes, 'broken' may be an appropriate term. One of the better arguments against promiscuity is that it damages that ability to form a deep sexual-emotional connection. But if you never had that capacity, well, maybe that's just how you are. It doesn't make you defective or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 08:03 AM
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Would you prefer 2+2=4 as the example? The point is about logic and rhetoric not about whether the earth is in fact round.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/18 03:38 AM
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The scenario you present, while plausible, is still a fallacious argument. A guy can be a creepy rapist and still have correct opinions. If Hitler says the world is round, that doesn't make it less true. You wanna take on patriarchy arguments you have to go for their content, not the people who espouse them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 09:15 PM
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Why even care about being taken seriously by a broader demographic though? Going your own way means not caring what people think of you. Not needing approval. Those who post the angry, petty, hateful, vengeful stuff really make the same mistake you do: seeking validation from other people. That's the opposite of independence.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 04:57 PM
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Meh. There's a decent amount of science about this subject and the numbers say that men and women both slut-shame about equally. They all do it for a variety of reasons, not just sexual competition and personal entanglements. Parents shame their children (both boys and girls) to control behavior. Bullies will slander people's sexual behavior not because that matters to them, but because they see how big a reaction it gets. There are a lot of people who dislike promiscuity in general, have an axe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 03:22 AM
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You have no sympathy for men who were ignored but you do have sympathy for the women? Hm. Sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 03:55 PM
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The title was enough for me, but I'm out of the loop on this author. It sounds like she already has a reputation?
/r/MGTOW29/12/17 01:37 AM
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Well, that's more of a common interests thing. The 27% of men that don't watch football probably prefer something else over the Kardashians. Like books or video games maybe. I honestly don't know anyone who's openly into that show, hah!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 01:02 AM
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Einstein wasn't a player. His values were mostly traditional. Massive fame got him lots of attention and he had affairs and stuff, but his correspondence (with people he had no cause fo deceive) shows him as somewhat ashamed of that fact.
/r/MGTOW20/12/17 11:15 PM
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Darwin made his life's great discoveries prior to marriage, while on the Beagle. But Einstein was married for all his most productive years. In fairness to Tesla, he said not many rather than none.
/r/MGTOW20/12/17 01:26 PM
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It sounds like you mildly disapprove of that style of hypergamy, enough to reject but not condemn it. Ok. I'm mostly with you there. About how people really behave though, if trophy husbands are already a thing, can you think of any examples of such actual marriages? Not affairs but situations where women actually took on the legal financial responsibility for beautiful men who contribute nothing financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 09:05 AM
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I never intended to "trot out tropes" about women. What ever gave you that idea? I opened with a question about that word, "deadbeat," and would like to continue along those lines. I find the semantics and connotations of that word very interesting. Dictionaries alternately define it as either a moral evaluation (a lazy person, a loafer, as you used it) or as a description of behavior (one who does not pay debts). Examine several different dictionaries and you'll notice a pattern: 'deadbeat' is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 08:24 AM
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What they want is a woman who's horny and sexually direct. Other masculine traits not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 07:44 AM
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What women don't want, is to work to support a deadbeat. What constitutes a deadbeat? Would you support a stay at home husband to look after the kids if your earnings were higher? What about covering living expenses while your cohabiting SO is a fulltime student?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 07:40 AM
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Why does physical contact in general imply or insinuate sexuality? Where did that idea come from, and how long has it been around? Why does two men bunking together sound gay when two women doing the same thing does not? The whole notion sounds androphobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 01:03 AM
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Wait... you're saying marital sex is not safe in one breath, and then saying premarital sex is safe in the next. Really? You're wrong on both counts. A couple who are both monogamous and remain so will never, by their behavior, contract any STD that one partner did not already have from prior non-monogamous contact. And condom use does not prevent transmission of carcinogenic HPV. These are facts. Every argument you presented that one should not overeat can be equally applied to promiscuous sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 11:54 PM
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Yes and you can get diabetes, heart disease, bad knees etc. without overeating. In both cases your behavior simply shifts the odds. The analogy still holds. You're either pro- or anti-hedonism. Either position is consistent but mixing them is not. You can't be for free love and against fat acceptance without some serious cognitive dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 05:36 PM
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Promiscuous sex is not deleterious... unless you count STD's, unwanted pregnancies, the health complications of birth control, and heartbreak as deleterious. Which is a stretch given that every item on that list has caused people to die. If you counter that these outcomes aren't 100%, well, being fat is only harmful some of the time too. There are obese people (yes, even old ones) who don't suffer from diabetes or heart disease and have strong, healthy joints. If you call those people unicorns, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 03:06 PM
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And what's wrong with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 05:34 AM
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It's a value judgment, in the same sense that "food's main value is keeping you alive and healthy" is a value judgment. The point is not that you must accept that premise. The point is to highlight the idea that underpins the traditional judeo-christian notions of sexual morality which you spoke out against. And to show that the idea itself is entirely innocuous. All this baggage that you and so many people attach to it is actually irrelevant. A traditionalist will say don't sleep around for muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 03:24 AM
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You're lumping three things together: the idea that marital sex is right and premarital sex is wrong, gossiping about other people's business, and holier-than-thou arrogance. Have you ever considered the first idea separately from the other two? For instance, this argument: the greatest value of human sexuality lies in its ability to form, deepen and strengthen an intimate pair bond between two people. Using it that way is better than just trying to get off without any personal connection. So it…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 03:31 PM
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Dude you just admitted to using a strawman. I knew your argument all along was "Yes, looks matter but personality matters ALSO" which I made clear does not contradict any of my statements. Because I am saying personality matters LESS. Less than you think it does, less than appearance. And indeed that most of the time "personality" is a euphemism for "cute face" (Attractiveness stereotyping) or "familiar and comfortable" (the exposure effect). And you admitted to both of those. The fact that both…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 03:49 PM
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meaningless Highlighting this word because you've used it twice, both times in the opening line of your reply, both times in a manner that is hyperbolic at best, a strawman argument at worst. I never called anything 'meaningless'. What I said boils down to this: personality doesn't mean what you think it means. It means a lot less. Look at your own statement about "resting bitch face." What does that term mean? It means a face that looks unattractive when the muscles are relaxed. So a face that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 02:30 PM
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You aren't. Practically everyone feels the same as you. But feelings are fallible. We all say "I judge people by their behavior not by appearance!" AND WE ARE ALL FOOLING OURSELVES. There have been countless studies about the phenomenon. It's well-replicated and uncontroversial in the psychology field. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness_stereotype If she's the hottest woman in the world, then when she curses you're more likely to find it cute than offensive. You'll want to giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 01:31 AM
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Naw, there is as much variation in traits desired by women as by men. Some women want that sweet face and perfect hair, some want the really thin waist, or big arms and shoulders or a round butt or visible abs. Some are into hairy and some are into smooth. Whatever. But everyone wants a rare exceptional level of whatever the trait may be. Tall but not too tall! Etc. You can say that men are less selective about it, but that's just the same as saying men want it more. Like I said that explains ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 03:31 PM
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Shy girs, nerdy girls, party girls, goth girls, they are all attractive and desired. Men are attracted to the natural traits in women. Only if the natural traits include physical attractiveness. Face, breasts, legs, hips, whatever. It doesn't matter what she does as long as she's nice to look at. A lot of men are socially awkward geeks. They feel good walking outside in shitty clothes. They are fine jerking off behind their computers to ridiculous shit. No woman gets turned on by them. Unless th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 04:15 PM
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Ahhhh the truth comes out! You just have a thing for Hollywood gold diggers. They're 1% of women too, you know that right? Stop trying to generalize it to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 06:22 PM
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You gotta be kidding me. Have you even been out to Hollywood? Hung out in a regular public venue out there? You can't have been if you buy into all that glamor crap. Even the movie stars aren't that hot. Way less impressive in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 05:15 PM
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You're just ranting now. Reams of unsubstantiated bullshit and insults. Higher earners are ugly? HA! One need only search law school and med school graduation photos to see how ridiculous your claim is. Rich women go for guys the same way rich men go for ladies. Attractiveness over money. Hypergamy is poor-people behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 04:42 PM
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You said ALL. Which means even one woman would be sufficient counterexample. But lesbians are about 1.5% and high earners are about 2%. Odds are you have run into both.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 04:21 PM
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Lesbians are looking for guy they can extract resources from. Rich career women who work while their husbands take care of kids really just wanted resources from their zero-income spouses. Billionaire heiresses don't go for any man they like, they only go for billionaires. Wat.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 02:38 PM
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Your post includes a lot of different points, many of which I agree with. Sexual history tells you a lot about a person and is undoubtedly of great importance in determining compatibility. But let me focus on one specific point that you should back down on: you claim (correct me if I'm wrong) that the following statement is false in general: women act sexually differently when single than how they act when in a relationship. To that point I pose the following counterexample: traditionalists. A p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 06:09 AM
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Besides, even high value men eventually settle down, let alone medium to low value men. High value men don't settle down. Look at Leonardo diCaprio or Hugh Hefner. The 'Unicorn' thinking you ascribe to all men comes from experiencing a paucity of female interest. Which the bottom 80% of men experience. Have you ever walked down the street as a beautiful man? No? Okay then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 06:16 PM
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Shooting. It doesn't make a difference in shooting.
/r/PussyPassDenied28/10/17 04:45 PM
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Watch out for the sirens!
/r/MGTOW22/10/17 05:13 PM
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"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert Howard (via Conan the Barbarian) Your exchange reminded me of that line. We would have a lot less bullying, infidelity, exploitation etc. Etc. If everyone who kills themselves over it chose to kill their enemy instead.
/r/MGTOW22/10/17 03:47 AM
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Not a BPer, but I'll give you a counterargument. It's of the form "not all women are like that" but it's perhaps different from ones you've heard before. Internet dating is a meat market. It used to be a little more highbrow than that but ever since the rise of Tinder, online dating interactions have degenerated to the most superficial and exploitive form possible. I focus on Tinder because that's where most of the blackpill memes came from. The vast supermajority of users are there for hookups.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 03:06 PM
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41% of accusations according to a 1994 Purdue study. And that percentage is where the accusers recanted. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8135653
/r/MGTOW29/09/17 01:16 PM
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I am not conflating biology and culture. I am contrasting them. The contrast highlights the idea that the latter better explains the observed rapid changes than the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 08:40 PM
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Exactly. Every culture has social problems, to varying degrees, that keep a proportion of their otherwise potent & fertile people from engaging in sex and reproduction. It's not an evolutionary thing anywhere. Fertility fails more often for biological reasons, sexuality for cultural reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 04:17 PM
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Contrast people's rapid change in mating behavior with the time it takes to produce a new generation and your theory looks patently absurd. The Japanese Herbivore Men phenomenon, for example, arose entirely in the last 30 years. That's ONE generation. No way such a rapid shift could be genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 01:52 AM
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The explanation you give is not consistent with the fact pointed out in the article, that it's only marriages that have this problem: committed non-marital relationships are ended equally often by men as by women. Since the difference between married and romantically cohabiting is a legal one, the 'losing attraction' argument can only account for as many women dumping men in the same proportion as men dumping women. So it only makes sense if 30% of marriages end because wife loses attraction to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 08:04 PM
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I accepted your data regarding 70% of divorce initators are women. I am attacking your (lack of) logic as well as that of the doctor whose editorial you posted. Are you questioning my data? I have references: http://www.divorcemag.com/articles/percentage-of-men-awarded-spousal-support-increasing Reports that male alimony is at 3% (up from 0.5%!) And child support stats come from the US census https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2016/demo/P60-255.pdf Now what do you say…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 05:46 PM
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Ya not the most definitive source but But what? 88% of child support recipients and 97% of alimony recipients im the US are women. TRP'ers say this implies privilege: a legal advantage in divorce court, and that this advantage is why women leave men in marriage more than twice as often as men leave women. This is also consistent with the finding that non-married couples' behavior is gender-symmetric, because the legal privilege depends on a legal marriage. There you go. No anecdotes, just hard s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 05:02 PM
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The author's basis for explaining the 70% stat is, in his words: "what I and others have seen clinically" i.e. anecdotal evidence. It's ironic that you say you don't want to debate TRP's anecdotes when all you have to offer is that exact sort of reasoning. Why is his anecdotal evidence better than TRP'ers comparison to alimony and child support statistics, making a case for financial gain? This author does nothing to address the counterargument and neither, apparently, have you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 04:42 PM
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You may be right about "stable". It could mean emotionally stable, which falls under my point 5- persuasive attractiveness. But "established" and "good on paper", I have never heard those to mean anything that doesn't correlate to either ready cash or earnings potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 12:01 AM
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That is just a combination of 1- physical attractiveness in the form of hygiene, 3- financial attractiveness in the form of a job, and 5 - persuasive attractiveness which you call "aspirations" and "adult"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 11:59 PM
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Too many parallel talking points. Let's focus on one thing at a time here. It can open the door to meeting more women. That doesn't mean that those women are only getting with men like that for money. How does having money open the door?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 11:32 PM
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They got married/LTR restates my point (2). The women they approach are older / maybe the older guys are getting the youger women does not explain why and doesn't jive with the fact that the women in the early adult group are more likely to have had sex. Established/stable/"good on paper" - now we are getting somewhere. Do you realize that is what "beta bux" refers to? All three of those phrases mean money. BB is just a more cynical way to put it. Anyhow you've restated point (3). I think the tw…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 10:16 PM
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Let's break ot down. What are the explanations for men getting sex after age 28? 1) they are physically more attractive 2) they did not seek sex and now they do, because e.g. they were waiting for marriage and got married ("traditionalists") 3) they are financially more attractive ("beta bux") 4) they have enough money to afford a prostitute ("mgtow") 5) they are not more attractive, but more presuasive ("pickup artist game") Got any others?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 08:24 PM
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For the same reason they pander to the PUA crowd: https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/life/2012/03/23/reebok_pulls_controversial_ad_in_germany/reebokad.jpeg
/r/MGTOW10/09/17 04:40 PM
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Gonna call bullshit on this one. Dailywire is trash for not linking any primary sources, especially when the LA Metro itself has posted them online: https://www.metro.net/riding/etiquette/ And http://media.metro.net/about_us/ethics/images/codes_ethics_customers_2014-07.pdf In my cursory examination of the documents I found no usages of the word "spread" nor any gender pronouns. There are no rules about knees, legs, stance, position or posture. Blocking access to a seat is prohibited, as is putti…
/r/MGTOW27/08/17 08:37 PM
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Do you think women don't post here all the time without anyone noticing? Do you think there's any way, short of doxxing someone or requiring a signed dick pic, to know that it's a man? You think someone who has succeeded in pretending to be the other gender will just stop if you asked nicely? Hm.
/r/MGTOW16/08/17 02:52 AM
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No standards were lowered. A memo from Rear Adm. Brian Losey, the top SEAL commander, said that history has shown that quotas don’t work and won’t be attempted and that physical standards will remain neutral as to gender
/r/PussyPassDenied12/08/17 05:31 PM
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No standards were lowered. A memo from Rear Adm. Brian Losey, the top SEAL commander, said that history has shown that quotas don’t work and won’t be attempted and that physical standards will remain neutral as to gender
/r/PussyPassDenied12/08/17 05:30 PM
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Ok seriously though, was there a change in the reporting system? Did they really switch from reporting transexuals as birth gender, to target gender? Because transexual suicide rates are REALLY high and it might conceivably mess with the numbers.
/r/MGTOW09/08/17 08:43 PM
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This student didn't think it through that well, and was basically propped up as a strawman for Fox pandering to the "muh tax dollars!" crowd. OP just likes that it's a man out-debating a woman. If you want a substantive discussion of this particular issue you're in the wrong place. It's not even on-topic.
/r/MGTOW07/08/17 04:18 PM
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Gotta speak up for the master race here. PC games offer something no other gaming platform does: absolute freedom. It's as free as the internet. That means men playing and making whatever they please. Going your own way is literally the nature if the system. You wanna abandon that because you saw some lame posts? So downvote them. Or drop the Reddit sub (it's not like Reddit gets to define the PC master race. Its glorious members created Reddit in the first place!) But don't descend back to peas…
/r/MGTOW07/08/17 07:08 AM
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Men too. The rates rose in parallel. The recent uptick was increased suicide among everyone
/r/MGTOW07/08/17 06:34 AM
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Also note there's no word on whether she gave her statements under oath, thus committing the crime of perjury.
/r/MGTOW04/08/17 07:59 PM
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Well at least they included the graph showing boys' suicide rates climbing in parallel. They're not distorting the data..... just distorting everything else.
/r/MGTOW04/08/17 03:06 PM
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Your deepest feelings are your own, and anyone who questions them, based on what they can see, does not know you and does not love you. Very well-said there. This is why I sift through the bullshit posts. Because of lines like that.
/r/MGTOW04/08/17 05:45 AM
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It's not true though. In real war, invaders will rob the women of their wealth and rape them, then send them back to their families when they're done. Conquerors cuckold the men on the losing side, the ones that survive at least. Just google the number of living descendents of Genghis Khan to see what I'm talking about.
/r/MGTOW03/08/17 07:21 AM
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Dude, you're reading that paycheck wrong. Net pay was $416.73 deposited into checking. Net check is zero because they didn't cut a paper check. That person is paying 43% of gross into support orders. Their take-home is a good deal less than their child support. But it is not zero.
/r/MGTOW02/08/17 01:53 AM
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That would be great. I'm really curious how far he goes. Was that one comment about the two Jewish BBC presenters just a snarky aside or does it turn into a rant? My understanding is that the outrage focused on his comments as anti-semitic more than misogynist.
/r/MGTOW31/07/17 01:33 AM
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Lots of posters on this sub are into that shit. There's been some talk of it as sabotage - like the loudest bigots are really just trying to create an association between MGTOW and racism.
/r/MGTOW31/07/17 01:26 AM
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Wayback machine doesn't have it. Google cache has only the first two paragraphs.
/r/MGTOW31/07/17 01:21 AM
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Little Lupe Sheesh. The only reason thst poor man went free was because she FLEW IN to testify in court on his behalf and submit proof of her age. http://nypost.com/2010/04/24/a-trial-star-is-porn/ Something you won't hear often on this sub: hurrah for her doing that.
/r/MGTOW29/07/17 09:32 PM
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It's literally in the Bible. That's how universal the problem is and how far back it goes. They've known it was a problem for >3000 years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_bear_false_witness_against_thy_neighbour Making up accusations == bearing false witness. And I would add that it doesn't matter what crime was made up. Trying to destroy a person's reputation is trying to destroy that person. Rape just happens to be the most reviled crime of our culture, so those particular accus…
/r/MGTOW28/07/17 04:43 AM
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Yes yes, tell us how much you enjoy playing Russian Roulette! How you gambled on these interns not going for sexual harassment charges and won.
/r/MGTOW27/07/17 09:00 PM
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He literally said that right after acknowledging that the gap he's discussing doesn't exist in other modernized countries. "This is happening in the US only. It must be natural biological differences!" Wat.
/r/MGTOW26/07/17 09:50 PM
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Yeah that kind of organized trolling is literally against Reddit's reddiquette rules. Avoid it.
/r/MGTOW24/07/17 07:43 AM
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500 calories a day for two years or so. That's all it takes. But yeah, not the same woman.
/r/MGTOW23/07/17 08:56 AM
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A straight man who literally becomes a monk, joins a monestary out in the mountains somewhere, is quintessentially voluntary celibate. Once they get to the monestary you think it becomes involuntary because there are no women available? It's easy to parse from the dictionary definitions. Incel is just an abbreviation for involuntary celibate. Celibate means abstaining from all sex, involuntary means done against someone's will. So both criteria must be met: they want sex and can't have the sex t…
/r/MGTOW23/07/17 07:06 AM
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An incel is simply a guy that can't get laid if he wanted. You're leaving an important part out: an incel does actually want sex in some fashion. If they did not, then the celibacy would be voluntary. Don't get me wrong, gnostichamster here put a lot of baggage on the term incorrectly. Implied that it means more than it does. But you are implying it means less than it does.
/r/MGTOW23/07/17 01:11 AM
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Holy shit... is about all I can say about that. Thaks for the followup info.
/r/MGTOW22/07/17 06:35 PM
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The article says nothing whatsoever about accusers conspiring on facebook to frame him. It says that political grandstanding and a badly mishandled investigation wrecked the prosecution's case.... that's about it. Where are you getting that stuff OP?
/r/MGTOW22/07/17 03:47 PM
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Thanks for that bit of info. I didn't even know who Colin Furze was! Gonna go watch his videos now.
/r/MGTOW22/07/17 01:31 AM
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The ones who don't need birth control because they are not sleeping around. How can you fault that?
/r/MGTOW19/07/17 03:26 PM
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That's actually kinda funny because geese really are toothless! Ha ha.
/r/MGTOW15/07/17 02:16 PM
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Yeah relativism is a separate discussion entirely. As for whether MGTOW is compatible with Christianity.... it might superficially seem so. Christian institutions are predominantly patriarchical. All moral strictures apply to women as well as men. The more traditional versions literally outlawed divorce. There exist exclusive organizations for men that require them to swear off women for life. Alongside that, though, you have a sexual morality that can be summed up as follows: raise children. Th…
/r/MGTOW08/07/17 08:43 PM
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This is an American evangelical Christian magazine here. They're not cultural relativists, in general. They believe something more like "Our traditional culture is the right one," and they aren't even shy about it. The idea that TRP is not compatible with traditional Christian morality should not surprise or bother anyone. It's obvious just from the fact that premarital sex is considered a sin.
/r/MGTOW08/07/17 01:55 PM
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