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It's another one of those paradoxes. The more women are liberated, the more they will demand men to conform to very strict standards of masculinity (height, looks and what not). It's like that study that found out that in more equal societies men's and women's interests tend to diverge, and not to converge. It's kinda bizarre that unhinged patriarchy and unhinged feminist based societies will have the same end result: harems (famine for the large majority of males, feast for the top few).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 01:58 PM
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The black pill is right. Everything is crude, transparent, shallow and obvious. Scratch the surface, and there's more surface.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:23 PM
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It's gaslighting, it has nothing to do with insecurity being a turn off. When I was in a relationship with someone that I liked, the fact that this person was willing to share an insecurity with me would only serve to make our bond stronger. The natural instinct is to try to help the person you like, not to dump this person. Does it even make sense to be in a relationship if you have to play an act 24 hours a day and to continuously keep things that bother you bottled up inside you with no suppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:57 AM
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More than half of US population and world population is women and you can't find one girl who's willing to date you? This is very disingenuous. Several things will limit a man's dating pool. These are things that are imposed on you: age, height, income, looks, education, geographical location. When you start adding things up, you'll see the pool is very shallow for a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:45 AM
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Most people in their late 30s and 40s want reliable partners. I doubt many women in their 40s want the pump and dump life. I agree the wall doesn't relate necessarily to attractiveness, but to other issues (mostly, fertility).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:23 AM
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Eh, kinda disagree. A lot of men won't date single mothers or women who can't or are not interested in having children. The pool of men who would want to have a relationship drastically diminishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:08 AM
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Yup. I know a guy who's not Chad, has a pot belly and married a doctor who I'd say is one or two points above him in terms of attractiveness. Reason: she's on the wrong wide of 30s and was desperate to have a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:07 AM
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"I was swimming in pussy and all that casual sex scarred me. Red pill never again!"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:32 AM
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Jon Hamm has more hair than most guys at his age. The fact that she sees him as balding tells you all you need to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:07 AM
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When people refer to the Pareto distribution, they're not claiming women won't settle or anything of the sort. It is a description of how the market works: women compete over the top men; the bottom 80% of men fight for the crumbs that fall off the table. Everybody has a perception of scarcity due to this dynamic. The data from OLD actually shows it's worse than the 80/20 Pareto distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:42 AM
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Except it hasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:26 AM
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I think only someone very young or unexperienced or someone who has an abundance of suitors to choose from would ever hold that to be true. To us poor fucks it's truly a desert. Many women also have this perception because they're fiercely competing over the top 20% of men. Just go check the bitterness of the average poster in the Chad Chaser subreddit (FemaleDatingStrategy).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:48 AM
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I'm surprised that this enlightened post comes from someone who categorizes people into low and high value
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:49 AM
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Brilliant summary
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 12:01 AM
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Hard disagree. There are men who are notoriously bad people and at the same time they're very successful when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:47 PM
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Most people simply lack the ability to feel empathy. It's like when someone complains about being short or ugly, and people will reply with things like "take a shower and take care of your hygiene". A legitimate complain is presented ("being ugly impairs my quality of life"), and people will add insult to the injury. It's not that you had bad luck in the genetic lottery, it's the fact that you stink.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:46 PM
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I'm not single by choice, but I'm not willing to compromise or to put time and effort in to get crumbs. Also I don't actively try to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:26 PM
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You see humans in a hierarchical fashion. Superior men must get superior treatment. And you see relationships in a purely transactional manner. The cynicism and crudeness of your worldview are repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:01 PM
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Your question makes me realize how deeply blackpilled women are. There are so many embedded blackpill assumptions in your question. We have Chad. Chad is superior (hot, rich etc.), so Chad gets to have supplementary dignity that must be denied to all other human beings. A man who's inferior than Chad can't expect to be seen as a human being and doesn't deserve the same affection from his partner that Chad would get. This is such a warped and dehumanizing worldview that it makes me thankful for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:30 PM
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Sure, but if a woman wants a dude who would be considered above average in looks, has the money and is willing to be a provider, she definitely can find her guy in the Netherlands or in Scandinavian countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:58 PM
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Sadly, this is not much of an option for women. In fact I am extremely hesitant when women ask me about international dating, because the culture is just so different. Women can absolutely be "passport bros". I know a very successful case. She has a really nice career/job and makes pretty good money. She's definitely below plain Jane in looks. I'm also not a fan of her personality (she's the kind of person that likes to humblebrag, I think she does that to compensate for her lack of looks). Anyw…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:35 PM
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A world without online dating and image-driven social media works for the average man. It's why male boomers don't get what it's like nowadays. The toothpaste is out of the tube, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:26 PM
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If a condom was used how is it much different than just having sex with a dildo right. That's what women believe nowadays? That it isn't really cheating if Chad wears a condom?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:28 AM
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This is what men don't get: they are not seen as human beings worth of dignity by their mere existence. Not tall = you don't qualify. You're a LVM and that's how the world works. It's a women's world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 12:13 PM
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Nature is so cruel that it made men's attractiveness dependent on the silliest and most inconsequential thing ever and which also happens to be immutable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:27 AM
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5'9 is not bad, though (unless you're in the Netherlands, Scandinavia or some sort of place like that). The circles of hell start at 5'7 imho.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:04 AM
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The most retarded stuff nature bequeathed us is women's bizarre obsession with height.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:56 AM
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I think you hit the nail on the head. The problem is the toothpaste is out of the tube. There really is no fixing the problem. It will be a painful transition. The vast majority of men leading meaningless lives, while Chads get to enjoy their harems. Lots of desirable traits will be weeded out from the gene pool since only superficial stuff is prioritized (looks and height).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:37 AM
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I think I have never met in person a man who checks all the boxes from this list
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:58 AM
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I only wish MAID was an easily accessible resource for people like me who want to check out from the system
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:53 AM
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Thanks, appreciate it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:19 AM
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I can only answer for myself. But I would never seriously consider dating a woman who isn't independent or has no interests of her own or things that we like in common. What I look for in a relationship is a partner. I don't want to be a provider or to be with someone who feels "she can look up to me" or that I can "protect" her or some sort of crap like that. I'd like to have a relationship based on equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:19 AM
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Those terms high and low value are a disgusting artifact of incel culture and I wish men here would drop it, Ever visited the female dating strategy sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:12 AM
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I hear a woman’s job, education, achievements, politics, family, friends, interests, activities and hobbies don’t mean anything Personally, job, education and similar interests are things I prioritize in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:01 AM
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Women are free to choose and men considered low value by women are being weeded out from the gene pool, what else do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:59 AM
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It hurts women to bd reduced to bangmaid by a man who isn’t sexually exciting. In the Western hemisphere in 2023, women are free to chose. Women want Chads, they have their Chads. Enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:49 AM
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I think women are in a brutal competition with each other over things that won't make them happy in a long term relationship (looks, height etc). But it is what it is. I think if women were willing to look past these superficial traits, they would be able to find much better deals for themselves. At the same time, I'm in favor of giving people what they want. So settling is bad. Let them share Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:43 AM
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That's the tension: it is dehumanizing to be reduced to a dispenser of resources. It hurts men's egos and kills them inside that they were second (or third, fourth, fifth etc) best. You generally don't see men claiming they had to settle down with A or B. It is women who use this kind of language that objectifies and reduces men to what they can provide. Tbh it seems we're heading to some sort of dystopian future where most men are basically emasculated helots slaving away, while Chads get to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:25 AM
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This anti nice guy thing is such a classic case of redirected aggression. It's like that study that found out that when a woman is rejected by Chad she will feel more disgusted towards and reject even more viciously non Chads. A nice guy is essentially a person who's acting on the blue bill prescription: if you want to have a relationship with a woman, you have to be a decent person, you have to build a deep connection, provide a shoulder for her to lean on, be supportive etc. Claiming that Chad…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:21 PM
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tl;dr: after reading opinions from women, one can only conclude that as extreme and risky as it is, leg lengthening surgery is something a short man who wants to have a successful dating life and a relationship should consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:02 PM
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Ever considered that short men can also be neurodivergent?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:30 PM
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According to a study that was done with speed dating data, a 5'8 man will be turned down by 50% of women solely due to his height. A 5'7 man will be turned down by 65%. Just imagine how dire that is. By contrast, if you're over 5'10, you're operating in a sellers' market. Rest assured that being 6'2 helps you a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:52 PM
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Considering your height and your preferences, I hope you decide to do the ethical thing and not to have children
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:50 PM
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Yeah, when you look at anthropological studies, studies done with isolated tribes and what not, you don't see this aggressive preference towards taller men. It's clearly a modern construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:50 PM
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Redirected aggression. Chad mistreats woman, woman lashes out against the bottom 80%. It's why every now and then you see the anti nice guy thing on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:52 AM
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She was pumped and dumped and still tried every possible way to contact the guy. She even tried contacting people who go to the same school hoping she would get his number. Damn, Chad really can do no wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:48 AM
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What happens to the wife of a short man in hunter gather society? She literally gets more food than the partner of a taller male. "Finally, research on another African forager population found that height is negatively correlated with hunting returns (Lee 1979), suggesting that tall height may not be an indicator of productivity in such economies."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:23 AM
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Yeah, that's what I came to conclude. If you're 6'+ and can't get women there's probably something deeply wrong about you. If you're under 5'7 and can get women regularly, you probably have several good things going on for you. I can't help but think that most women would be able to get a much better deal if they were willing to be 2 or 3 inches more flexible when it comes to height requirements. Tall men are a scarce commodity, they simply don't have to compete. From a women's perspective there…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:49 AM
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When I read these sorts of answers I'm always perplexed by the premium women put on height. It is really a different reality for tall men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:25 AM
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The good thing that came out from the red pill was encouraging people to look at the data and scientific studies. I was deeply blue pilled well into my middle 20s. I thought that looks were not important to women, that all you had to do was to be a nice, reliable person, that if you wanted a relationship you had to provide a shoulder to lean on, to develop a deep personal connection etc. And then one day I stumbled upon the occasional anti nice guy demonstration that happens every now and then o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:25 AM
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The blue pill is now reality. If you want to date, you have to be a decent person. Personality compatibility is now the main element that makes people attracted to each other. The length of your femur and the shape of your skull are now nearly irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 10:16 PM
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Talk to or read testimonials written by women who had bariatric surgery done. Most women simply won't be able to empathize with the situation you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:13 PM
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I don't think so. For women, looks matter simply too much. Tbf, it's also some sort of prison to them. I've known truly great women paired with below mediocre men but who happen to be white and tall. It was just so obvious that they could find much better partners if only they could open their heads a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:21 PM
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I would only cold approach if I was invited to cold approach (if the woman was making eye contact or something of the sort), which, well, never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 03:15 PM
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There's a real demand for more socialization spaces, I think. Work nowadays is off limits (if you're non Chad). Even benign stuff like telling a woman she looks good is cause for employment termination nowadays (this is a real case that happened, a guy sent an email to a colleague telling her she was good looking and got fired). The same applies to gyms. Asking a woman if it's ok to share a machine will have your face plastered all over tiktok as the old creep who thinks he has a chance. I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 02:43 PM
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Most people, men and women, see relationships in a purely transactional manner. It's a tough pill for us idealistic folk to swallow. It really crushes your ego when it's glaringly clear the other party decides to end the relationship because they feel they can "level up". It happened to me when I had a partner who lost a bunch of weight and started getting more male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:23 PM
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What weirds me out about the 4th is that she's married, has kids and for some unknown reason devotes energy to battling incels online. In the post OP linked she also refers to her husband as a "5'7 manlet". I can only few deeply sorry for her husband, and it's not because her wife is below average in looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 12:14 PM
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I really don't prioritize looks in a partner. My only hard dealbreaker is if the woman is a single mother. The idea of interacting with the children my partner had with another man just causes me a feeling of disgust at a very fundamental level.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 11:03 AM
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I'm 100% monogamous. I would treat my partner to the best of my ability. It'd be nice for a change to know my partner feels genuine attraction and sees me as a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:23 PM
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To me any face that doesn't have any obvious flaws is above average, which is his case. The sunglasses are just a stupid gimmick imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 10:10 AM
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In grad school I've seen many women make similar statements and then show up with generic gym rat right wing retard as a boyfriend (and they looked worse than this guy).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 09:58 AM
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Why would a sign a contract to make a man think it’s my primary duty to cook, clean, and do the childrearing while holding a full time job? Are you from a rural area? At least in my demographic couples either share the housework or pay someone to help. Tbh it sounds hysterical that a man would expect a woman who has a full time job to also be solely responsible for the housework. I've never met a couple in which that was the case. Being single is a heavy, heavy burden and is really expensive. Lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 07:26 AM
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I have a friend who's a pathologist. He said more than once to me that the biggest risk factor for cancer is bad luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 07:42 PM
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On the planet I happen to inhabit the average man nearing 50 years of age looks much worse than DiCaprio
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 06:07 PM
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People's weight fluctuate, people let themselves go. He's 3-6 months away from middle-aged Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:40 PM
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I think very few women in the 30+ demographic would not date him if given the opportunity. I understand that to young woman the daddyish look may be particularly off-puting. Also it's not because he let himself go a bit that he can't get fit whenever he so decides. Anyway, since I'm not on DiCaprio's payroll I guess I will now cease defending him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:30 PM
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Agree to disagree I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:14 PM
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No offense intended, but only someone who's terminally online would think he's "little over average looking for his age".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:11 PM
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He's an immensely wealthy A+ Hollywood actor widely recognized as one of the most attractive men alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:05 PM
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I agree with you. There's so much value to someone who was by your side from day 0. Tbh, I wish I'd had that in my life. Now all I know is that at my worst nobody was interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 04:31 PM
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Lisa Bonet is not mid. But yes, DiCaprio is a 10. If he's not, nobody is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 04:22 PM
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The truth is most people are not into sleeping around a lot. Or if they are it's just a short phase between relationships. The Chads I knew at university were all serial monogamists and are all married now. It's probably why a lot of women have this desert-like perception of the dating market (like the bottom 80% of men have): most of the time Chad is already taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:50 PM
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I know the case of a woman who did the opposite route. She was below average in looks and had a low middle class background (worked as a cashier). She married at a young age (19/20) a guy in his late thirties (he wasn't rich, but had stable income and job). She abandoned her job and turned into a gym rat. Next she started doing the whole plastic surgery package (breast implants, rhinoplasty and whatnot). Obviously after a few years she left the guy and is now some sort of middle tier influencer …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:36 PM
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All that you said lines up perfectly with what I see in real life as well. Single average and below average men basically live in a deep circle of hell. Women can't empathize with their situation because they think it sucks for them too. There aren't many men who are able to satisfy them. The ones who check the looks boxes and have options won't treat them well for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:43 AM
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I think the character you described (man who wants to be Chad to pump and dump every other week) is a rare one. Also, I have never seen anybody claim that "women should expect to share" Chad if she happens to secure one. The argument that I've seen people make is that most women would rather share a Chad than settle down with a low value man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 01:35 AM
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This is a classic: women lashing against the bottom 80% because Chad hurt or mistreated her. A lot of men simply don't understand that much of the venting women do in respect of men is redirected aggression. They see women talking about how men don't listen, cheat, are abusive physically and emotionally etc. and are completely lost. Or worse: they self-immolate for things they haven't done thinking that will attract sympathy or signal his virtue. I wish I could tell every decent dude out there t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 01:05 AM
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I attended grad school (in the humanities). I'm pretty familiar with the intellectual/progressive/academic type. My overall impression is that these women are much pickier than the general female population and are happy to enforce gender norms (towards men). You would think this demographic would be inclined to be more lenient in respect of traditional standards of masculinity, but the tendency is more like 'you know what, these extra years of education make me even more entitled to uber Chad.'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:40 AM
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What frustrates many men is that they thought women's liberation would also mean their liberation from traditional masculinity. But what happened is that the shackles got even tighter, if you want to have a fulfilling life you gotta be Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:06 AM
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Men are still held to patriarchal standards. Tbh, I think if there is a bias it is that progressive/feminist women are even more demanding in this respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:11 PM
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While I'm open to finding someone, I completely gave up on actively trying to date, apps, sliding into someone's DMs etc., so you don't have to worry
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:57 PM
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What I think is true is that a lot of people aren't open to being attracted to a certain demographic (eg, people are racist in their dating preferences, height cutoffs etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:54 PM
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This is basically the life of most well adjusted people who haven't inherited wealth (actually, a large percentage of those people are probably skipping the gym).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 11:47 AM
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Online dating and photo-driven social media are a net negative for almost everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:44 AM
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AFAIK, the Pareto distribution is usually referred to in the context of online dating, and the data we have from online dating do confirm it (actually, I think it's worse than that). And then people use this information as a lens to analyze what happens in real life, which I think is mostly true: since the majority a women are competing over a small fraction of the men, dating is shitty for most men and for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:54 AM
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All you need to know about this topic is that the logo of the Female Dating Strategy subreddit is literally a series of arrows pointing upwards with the motto "Level Up".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:30 AM
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I have never heard a man in real life claim that he would rather marry a woman without a career/job. It's why the trad-wife thing became such a meme. Most people don't take it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:36 AM
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I'm convinced that finding a loyal partner for life when you're still young and building a family are the best things that can happen to us peasants. I wish men didn't have to pull up themselves by their bootstraps and grind to get the breadcrumbs that fall off the table when they're in their late 20s / early 30s (if they're lucky, some have to wait more and others are condemned to a lifetime of loneliness). Tbh, I'm envious of those who were lucky to be chosen early in life. I can't even fathom…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:03 AM
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I'm sure it does, you don't have to promise me anything
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:37 AM
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It's sad and dehumanizing, but unfortunately people care a lot about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:01 AM
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Men are still held to patriarchal standards. Men's liberation hasn't happened. I was in academia (grad school) for a few years in the humanities, and it wasn't uncommon to hear women saying that men who claim to be feminists/leftists etc. are the worst. Women can be whatever they want, men who want to be successful in dating have to be "men".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:26 PM
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This situation is like the massive venting and lashing out that happens when Leonardo DiCaprio finds himself another 20-something girlfriend. It is women trying to impose a social / reputation cost on men who are able to dictate their terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 10:42 PM
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Nobody is entitled to a relationship. It is not abusive if the other party is free to walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:45 PM
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I Became Extremely Hot in the Pandemic. My Husband Did Not. I love my family but … shouldn’t I get to enjoy this? My husband used to be hot. If I met him now, would I still fancy him?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:32 PM
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I really don't buy this explanation, especially considering this preference seems to be getting stronger and stronger. And it's a preference that is acted upon in a much more aggressive way than any other (I can't think of anything else that is a deal breaker on this level other than actual disabilities). Also, not that long ago, humans were significantly shorter (eg, Napoleon was of above average height at 5'7).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:00 PM
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I think the emphasis on smooth talking gives people the illusion that they can significantly improve their dating life by learning a skill that can be quickly acquired (it's the Duolingo tree of dating). We rehash it all the time, but the sad truth is that becoming more successful in dating will require elevating your status in a tangible way, which basically boils down to looks and income. Sure, being an interesting person helps, but for that you will have to read some novels, watch some movies…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 07:29 AM
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OP is probably German
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:10 AM
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I don't buy the whole smooth talking/game thing due to my own experiences. In the few times I was successful with women, things happened very effortlessly and smoothly. I didn't have to sweet talk anyone, I didn't have to pretend I was someone I wasn't. When they're interested, women will signal it to you (unless they're outliers, like extremely shy good Christian types or high status women who are used to being pursued even by Chads).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 03:16 AM
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According to a famous study that used speed dating data, 5'10 is the point where height won't hurt your success anymore. Things go downhill pretty quickly, though. A 5'7 man will be turned down by 65% of women solely because of his height.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:02 PM
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The premium women put on height is so absolutely insane. There's definitely nothing comparable as far as men's preferences go. Maybe morbid obesity, but that goes for both genders. Short height is seen as basically as a handicap, although it has zero influence on health, competence, intelligence, character. I just find it so bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 08:48 PM
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