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Overthinking it. The "woke crowd" is doing little to nothing to address the legitimate grievances of any group. They're all just posturing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:21 AM
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ａｌｌ ｗｏｍｅｎ ａｒｅ ｌｉｋｅ ｔｈａｔ
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 09:13 AM
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"infinite proclivity for darkness" lmaooooo 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 05:52 AM
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I haven't said a word about marriage. I have never seen the point of legal marriage either other than that if you're confident enough in your relationship you can use it to save some money on taxes. For the rest of your comments there is no direct response. To me the key point on this topic is that you can never 100% trust anyone. You can always end up getting shafted in a relationship. People can back stab you or simply change. Everyone has to decide if the risk is worth it to them and part of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:38 PM
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Vetting them isn't the same as knowing for sure that they're good-willed and right for you. Of course I agree that there's always some risk involved with giving trust or commitment to a partner. But I think the risk can be greatly reduced by being cautious with who you give it to and entering into any relationship slowly, continuing to evaluate the other person's motives and good will as you do that. I mean look at what the OP describes. There's nothing subtle about that. It should be easy to av…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:28 PM
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You must be correct, all women are the same, I mean come on, obviously nothing can be derived by looks at notes observing them in any way before deciding to enter into a relationship with them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:09 PM
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That some people think like OP legit makes me fear for the future of humanity. Of course there are women who fall into this pattern just like there are men who are equally shitty in their own ways. As many have pointed out its up to you to vet your partners as well as the people you surround yourself with in general. To instead cry about all women being bad and having all these pathological behaviors as a universal rule is pathetically immature and self-pitying, and obviously wrong. This is why …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:35 PM
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No, they're not
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:23 PM
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Yes the evil of male villains is never explained, like say the Joker who got a whole movie explaining why he is the way he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 07:46 PM
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OP may have been hit in the head before he wrote this, more like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 07:44 PM
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I am normally against stereotyping like this but despite all attempts to find otherwise, it seems like eastern women are 1) much more likely to themselves be in technical fields and 2) much more likely to find that a positive quality in a partner, and the higher up you go on academia the stronger the trend is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 01:28 PM
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It feels huge now compared to a few years ago. Now the top weekly post is always over 100 upvotes. It used to be like 20-30 on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 09:46 PM
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My current partner, who I will be spending my life with, had similar feelings about her first boyfriend. She was with a good handful of guys between him and me and had, in many ways, resigned herself to not finding a permanent partner. There is no reality in which her feelings about her first partner were accurate. He wasn't the right person for her, and I am very happy we found each other. Things change a lot over time and you have no idea what will happen. You have yourself to offer -- you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 09:34 PM
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Everything you said about yourself is wrong and you probably realize that logically, but obviously it's not easy to change how you feel. You need time, and you need to stay away from your ex and give yourself some space. It is cheesy but time heals all wounds. The fact that you were in this relationship has no effect on how future potential partners will view you -- and if it does, those are not people you want to be with either. There are plenty of men who couldn't care less you had a single se…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 09:29 PM
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> Merely ASKING how to laid gets you accused of being such things....where else can guys go? Like someone else said, probably not a travel forum. But regardless, here's my advice. Most people don't like hearing about your ultimate motives, especially for this kind of stuff. If you said "I wanna meet people and use it as a way to become more social and break out of my anxiety of talking to women" you would probably get more advice. Maybe even advice about hooking up with those women. But if you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 08:57 PM
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I genuinely believe that there are two types of people out there: those who are susceptible to the kind of tactics you're suggesting, and some who aren't. For me, porn is a whole different thing, the whole point is to let you indulge in fantasies. I wouldn't give a shit if my girlfriend was watching big dick porn or any other sort. All that matters to me is if our communication and sexual relationship is good, and if it is, I'm not worried about anything else. Obviously I know I won't fulfill ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 06:21 PM
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All these "x pill" categorizations are so cringey and it's just getting more and more absurd and prevalent here... black pill, "no pill" (lol), etc... and the red pillers are getting worse and worse about agreeing what red pill even is. You can't claim your ideology is completely defined by "accepting reality" -- that's not an ideology, it's a platitude and something that plenty of people strive for individually in specific ways, people with no relevant subscription to any ideology, sex-relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 09:50 AM
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No true Scotsman in full force with this one!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 09:43 AM
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How is this a revelation? What other possible reason could someone have for liking someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 02:53 PM
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You're problem is assuming that people who had that experience didn't have to go through any strain. Developing a lifestyle where you come into contact with a lot of people and have opportunities to meet, hang out, and generally interact with lots of potential partners is not something that happens for free. For some people they get that exposure as a bonus to other things they've put work into, like their hobbies, or the work they've put into taking control of and managing their lives. Other pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 03:14 PM
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Easier or harder than what? This isn't even a complete question.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 08:23 AM
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You will get the "no true scotsman" treatment no matter how you define AWALT. Some will say that NAWALT, but you assume AWALT in the sexual marketplace as a hedge. Or that making the assumption that a particular women falls under the AWALT umbrella characteristics leads to some benefit, even if she isn't. Some will say that "AWALT when it counts" aka most women won't have those characteristics until they're put into a situation where they have something serious to lose, then all of a sudden they…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 08:09 PM
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/u/BiggerDthanYou has made a lot of extremely detailed and well-cited posts about this that haven't gotten proper responses. There's a lot of evidence there and it's easy to find. It's not a bulletproof argument but I believe it merits a much better response than it's gotten. In a similar vein, TRP assumes AWALT, but this is not the case -- or, I have at least as much credibility in just saying "this is not the case" about this as you do about our hypothesis. The fact that TRP believes that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 08:03 PM
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No, I think the OP is talking about intentionally acting aloof as a deceptive tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 07:07 PM
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YAACM. You are a complete moron. I made an acronym, so it must be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 07:06 PM
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It worked because he's sexy as fuck. Yes, I'm sure he could just be "straightforward" with any woman and be in bed with them all in no time. Dumbass.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 07:04 PM
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But which ones? Not all women are created equal, and there are more factors besides how hot a woman is that determine the quality of a woman. And different men will evaluate a woman differently, as well. But my point is that selecting for women who like "aloof" men might land you with women who tend to have characteristics that are not desirable. I think that's the point /u/BiggerDthanYou is trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 06:53 PM
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welcome back for another episode of "my experience must be a universal truth"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 01:36 PM
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Men and women are subjects to the same laws and rights. This may be the case but I think it's misleading -- there are laws which are clearly applied differently to men and women, and men and women are clearly treated differently by the judicial system. I am not arguing that women have it better overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 06:03 PM
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I'm inclined to agree but I don't see any convincing reason why anyone should be convinced to believe this. Maybe in a completely absolute sense an argument could be made but in reality it's a grey area, because having an abortion or otherwise giving up a child is not a complete loss of bodily autonomy, and paying child support is not a complete loss of financial autonomy. It's a close enough cut such that the degrees matter, and I certainly don't think you can just assert this in this case as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 06:00 PM
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I think this is good analysis and is probably true for a lot of cases but I think a significant number of cases, maybe the majority, are slightly different. I think the clearest example of your analysis is the opposite case, where guys are unattractive because they are too obviously hung up about being traditionally masculine. The guy who makes it clear he's getting a beer or whisky neat or whatever because he's a "real man not a sissy" comes off like a wannabe tryhard. In most cases the standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 10:36 AM
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I'm sorry it's upsetting you so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 07:32 PM
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proposing to a woman is the most beta bucks act imaginable. you literally kneel down before her in a submissive pose, offer her an overpriced flashy gift, and ask if you can be sexually monogamous and support her for the rest of your life. Hahaha that's true and hilarious! You don't have to propose to get married though, and you don't necessarily promise support at that moment. But traditionally yes, I take your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 12:17 PM
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I had that thought as well and I should have mentioned as much in my post. If men are getting this far misled by that obviously silly trope, well, that's quite sad. In fact my heart unironically goes out no those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:40 PM
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Because the risk of someone abusing my trust is much higher than the reward of trusting them without knowing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:48 PM
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I don't understand your post. If I meet someone and they immediately start giving red flags based on their behavior then yeah I'm gonna avoid them, no shit dude. But that's based on the experience I have with them, it doesn't take much. My default status with someone is to not trust them at all. Slowly over time, it's possible to build trust with certain people, but it's always fragile and always prone to falling apart. There's nothing unconditional about it. I don't see how this is analogous to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:35 PM
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Personally this indicates to me that whether or not you love someone it is challenging to stay married to them while they are in prison. There are many interpretations of why this may be the case. A spouse who is in prison is probably much more likely to be a bad spouse, or to have done something bad enough for even someone like you to consider the divorce justified. Perhaps it's also the case that the spouse of someone who has gone to prison is also much more likely a priori to be the kind of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:26 PM
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I'm supposing that what's lumped into a "financial reason" category is quite broad actually, and can comprise very serious reasons (financial instability caused by the man that she cannot rectify while staying in the marriage, that could lead to unsafe conditions for her or their kids) or possibly very trite reasons. The financial problems could be due to a lack of trust between her and her husband which might make her feel a need to exit the marriage. Furthermore, I am not trying to argue that …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:17 PM
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Your argument is that women are incapable of unconditional love because they initiate divorce for specific reasons. I am not arguing against the premise that "those who stay married must be experiencing unconditional love," I am arguing against the premise that "those who leave marriages at higher rates and at higher levels under certain criteria" can be used as an indicator for whether or not that group of people is capable of unconditional love. I am making a sincere attempt to represent and u…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:04 PM
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No. You've cluttered this whole thread by saying people are making "logical leaps" but this is all you are doing too. For example, there's the possibility that the difference in divorce rate is explained simply by the fact that men are shittier spouses. So of course if this is the case women will initiate divorce more, since they're being good spouses (giving men no reason to divorce them) but men are being shitty spouses (giving women reason to divorce them). There are also dozens of other comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:52 PM
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Just because you have no reason to believe something is wrong, doesn't make it right. There are many conflicting potential truths that all lack support. Science works by rejecting the null hypothesis, not finding a lack of support for relationships between phenomena, and basing your beliefs off them because they are "still possible"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:16 PM
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Based on this logical nuance you've raised, we can't know if anyone is capable of love because we don't know the true reason that they are staying together. Men may be the same way: we think they're staying with women because they love them unconditionally, but really it's because of X Y or Z reason, and why should we trust them to accurately tell us what those reasons are? It's very convenient that by your interpretation, women who stay with men unconditionally are doing so for reasons other th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:13 PM
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You can't study women like you study photosynthesis, lmao. There is no precise series of biological processes that define how women act. Claiming that you understand women to that level makes you look like a fool and is super pretentious. And not justifiably pretentious either. The entire video is the guy making this claim about himself and how he interacts with women but it doesn't amount to anything other than a drawn-out rambling about his own sentiments. They are legitimate in the sense that…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:56 PM
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TRP wants to create a blueprint for women because it helps them feel less vulnerable I think it also makes them feel smart and superior. It's like they think if they convince themselves they understand women completely, that they're above them now, intellectually and morally. Especially, of course, when the way they supposedly understand women leads to them having a ton of negative traits (unable to love, hypergamous, self-serving, etc). This whole concept of studying women like they're an acade…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:10 PM
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Wow, that is some cringe-worthy shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:58 PM
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He can be annoying but he's genuinely trying to engage so he's a better contributor than 95% of people here by default
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 06:55 AM
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Gosh you're so angry, it's very entertaining
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:43 PM
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God damn you're dense...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:41 PM
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Besides the women related insults. That was the entire post, so there is not much else to cite.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 11:06 AM
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Yeah, "so what" you fucking moron
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 11:03 AM
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God damn this post is so PURPLE
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:01 AM
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Every day of my life, darling
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 02:19 AM
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Most women I know are not interested in guys who look like the top two pictures and while probably wouldn't consider them "too bulky" (though maybe they would for the second guy), would not need or seek out a guy who looks like that. And I think most girls are aware the guy in the third pic isn't standard and is actually very fit and toned, much moreso than the average guy. This is a really low-effort strawman. Of course girls like fit, ripped dudes. Most of them don't require the men they are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:15 PM
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It's just a mostly normal guy who has spent too much time reading the pill-o-sphere and taking it too seriously, leading him to say some cringey stuff. Sounds like he's a bit immature and judgmental which is par for the course, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 09:05 PM
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Nice job /commentchain
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 08:50 PM
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I think this is clarifying but also suggests that not just women have a "dominance threshold" but all people, including men. The argument for the OP then becomes "do women have a (statistically significantly) higher average dominance threshold than men?" My guess would be that the answer is yes, but not by much, and that non-negligible numbers of men would have a higher dominance threshold than the average woman's, and vice versa. So I'd like to propose the question: is it right to suggest that …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 08:49 PM
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I think 4 is cute but can see it being a taste thing. But you get a LOL and an upvote for the comment about #5, christ I feel bad for the men who are attracted to shit like that, must feel bad
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 08:40 PM
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Agreed, 6 isn't my style but I'd assume she'd be the #1 pick on average
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 08:39 PM
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7 6 6 8 3 8 7.5 6 Scale: 5 is average, 0 is worst, 10 is best. The 6s definitely lost points for style and excessive makeup for me (and 3 for the obvious boob-job). I'm into natural girls and girls who play up their good features with style/makeup, as opposed to trying to hide their "bad" features or more invasively change their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 08:35 PM
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PhD or accomplished artist are most attractive doesn't matter if relationship or ONS, in both cases I'd rather have an interesting conversation and those two would be most likely to provide this None are intimidating, but I might get irritated with the one with a really good job if she's too concerned about money, or bored with someone without aspirations
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 08:24 PM
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This is my favorite in the comments so far
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 08:21 PM
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That's weird. Having attractive girls as friends is super fun for me. I mean, having ugly girls as friends is fine too, pros and cons
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 01:35 AM
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Sometimes people are wrong and need to admit as much, but in my experience, the vast majority of my arguments with my SO involved some mistakes on both of our parts, and the best case scenario is when we are both able to understand each other and acknowledge our own drawbacks. I agree strongly with /u/Justapasserby557 in that it's usually not useful to think of it as a matter of one party being "wrong" and the other being "right." I always play out my arguments with my SO until we fully understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:13 PM
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Cases where it is unreasonable are pretty obvious IMHO. There's something else unreasonable about them besides the simple favor, and it could be transferred to most menial tasks. If someone asks me to do them a simple favor I'll do it and give them the benefit of the doubt, and if they ended up "shit testing" me or otherwise taking advantage of me, big fucking deal, I wasted what a minute or two of not having one of my hands free? Ouch, what an opportunity cost /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:04 PM
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FYI it's bougie
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:23 PM
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You're a Handmaid's Tale fan? That's such a bluepill book. Most TRPers hate Atwood.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 12:32 AM
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Some but most don't inhabit both. The blue pill strongly (unofficially) discourages participation in PPD.
/r/ExRedPill13/11/16 08:34 AM
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Your argument seems to be that the average person (read friend) deserves some sort of special treatment for not being able to stomach bluntness. This is intellectualism, not a hug box concession. My argument is that if you show something to someone, it's better for them to understand it than to dismiss it because the language that was used to express the idea got in the way of the idea itself. It doesn't have to be "special treatment," but if you want someone to understand you, it should be put …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:21 PM
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Categorically? I don't think that is implied at all. Additionally, you would have to see 'irrationality' as something that makes someone categorically inferior, and that's a hard case to make, given that most creative endeavors are, by their very nature, irrational. This is a great example of a qualification that would make TRP material clearer and more accessible. To simply deny all of that broad observation and the resulting conclusions seems specious at best. Clearly the genders are better or…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 09:02 PM
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Claiming books intended to promote a different viewpoint than the social norm about women, should be accessible and appeasing to women is irrational. It depends on the goal: if they are really trying to promote that viewpoint, in general, then I don't think your statement holds. To promote something, you need to make that thing accessible to people outside of the narrow group who would already You cant put the onus on the author to be both charming and explain a harsh reality most people will ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 08:42 PM
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It's not palatable because, unqualified, it strongly implies that women are inferior to men, which is not patalable (and arguably not provably true at least not with the information we currently have, whether or not it's actually true). Making a balanced statement about men finding women irrational and women not finding men X for the sake of "thinking about the other sex correctly" is different, of course, but it should be made clear that this is the case. Most people will read "women are irrati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 04:18 PM
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Come on RPers, give me something to work with here. The best thing I found so far is the Book of Pook, and it's kind of rambling nonsense. Everything else has been bad or flatly unpalatable from the get go (coming right out the gates with statements like "women are not rational" or "women are not inquisitive about the world" etc). Can you guys really not do better?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 04:16 AM
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Not sure I agree. If a man tends to have feminine traits he can still be attractive without the dissonance of trying to be or act like something he is not predisposed to be, and vice-versa. I think your rule is too simple. You have to play up your strengths. Plenty of women go for effeminate men. Less men go for tomboys but enough still do where it might be in their best interest to play up that side of themselves. Fighting your nature or preferences for the sake of appealing to the opposite sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:20 PM
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But the old guard does not want a big government. I don't agree. The old guard wants a different kind of big government than the modern-day progressives or socialists of yesteryear. They want a big military, strong domestic and foreign intelligence, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:14 PM
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Without further explanation, this is reductionist. Why do these qualify as bad decisions?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:11 PM
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Yeah I was just playing, but you still don't sound terribly much like an RPer
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 08:14 PM
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So you let your wife fuck chads while you're cucked doing chores, right? Don't sound like an RPer to me bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 06:34 PM
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The problem here is that /u/Princeso_Bubblegum is not assuming that the primary goal of men is to fuck hot women, whereas /u/Atlas_B_Shruggin of course is. The idea being that not every single aspect of your entire self need be tailored to fucking hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 06:30 PM
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Some countries like Japan even want to enforce a bachelor tax on them In Singapore it's the same but a different mechanism: married couples, especially with children, get additional access to public housing, tax breaks, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 06:24 PM
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If you keep buying her drinks when she is putting off the vibe that she would rather watch paint dry then spend time with you, one of two things is probably true. What about a girl who feigns interest until she has a drink then bails?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 10:21 AM
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That doesn't make it nice to do. You can legitimately lose money because you took a gamble, but the person who took advantage of your gamble isn't by default not a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 10:06 AM
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Nothing she does is in good faith so it's moot
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 10:02 AM
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How is this hurtful... Telling someone to not treat women like sex bots is offensive? How? ... Again, if someone telling you that women are human beings is offensive to you, I don't know what to tell you. It's hurtful because it's mocking and hyperbolizing the OP. It would be more reasonable if the OP actually said he treated women like sex bots, but he didn't -- not even close. The dissonance here is that OP already expressed an understanding of these points, but instead of treating him like a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:30 AM
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YW, credit from elsewhere though http://i.imgur.com/rhDEDNO.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 10:58 AM
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But I think most people know that person who just got dumped is probably biased about what really happened. People love to be yes men to other people who are complaining. "Yeah he was an asshole fuck him what a douche." It feels good to jerk over some depersonalized third party who must have been in the wrong. It's easy and safe because they're far away, and it's an effortless way to score friendship points and get on someone's good side. When I was going through a mutual breakup because of grad…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 05:16 PM
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Can you change your tag to Dicks Out for Haram Bae?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 05:12 PM
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She assumed that in sleeping with her, you were expressing long term interest. Assumptions make an ass out of u and me. It's her fault for making this assumption. She willingly had sex and he didn't commit to anything. In the future, if she truly wishes to respect and not be a jerk to men, she'll make her conditions for being willing to have sex clear before having sex, and if she doesn't, won't talk shit on the guy afterward if things don't go her way. In future, if you truly wish to respect an…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 05:06 PM
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My argument is not that men as a whole do this, it's that TRP does this. Did you read the OP? I agree with it, just applied to TRPers and not men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 02:43 AM
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His claim is he hasn't met a single woman who can outdo him in even just one of the things he highly values. My guess is he's either not comparing fairly hasn't actually seen many/any women try to do many/any of those things they're all physical strength things (sure shows how shitty women are) they are overly specific things that nobody else would even think, know, or care to practice one of many other feasible caveats that defeat the purpose of his comment There are lots of excellent, excellen…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:45 PM
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Always possible, but I don't htink so. More likely you are not superior to an entire group of people you've met of the opposite gender at everything you highly value. How can you even say this for sure? Do you regularly engage in competitions with your acquaintances at the things you highly value? All I'm suggesting is don't be too quick to judge. And sure, I could make every thing I "highly value" into some overly-specific thing that nobody else even knows about ("I don't just lift weights, I l…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:40 PM
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dreams are metaphorical is not the same as [dreams tell] me what I should do Dreams may have some insight into your apprehensions or whatever but there is no evidence that they "tell you what to do." Deriving enjoyment from thinking about them or analyzing them from a literary perspective is one thing; believing that they directly tell you what you should do is another, and there's no support for the latter. But this isn't a conversation I'm keen to have. Unless you have some actual piece of inf…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:37 PM
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He thinks most women don't have meaningful hobbies because he is sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:29 PM
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Are they maybe saying that girls who are into STEM fields etc make shitty non-committal wives? Also confused
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:28 PM
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Passive being the key word. Reviewing entertainment can certainly be an intellectual and meaningful hobby. Playing videogames can be a hobby too if taken seriously enough. Tons of people make a living off playing videogames in this day and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:25 PM
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IMO the important sentiment to me is that here I don't see an argument that men or women are have better or worse pastimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:23 PM
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Maybe so, but this goes back to the whole nature vs nurture thing. Would there be more girls in gaming if gaming had been a more welcoming social sphere welcoming for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:21 PM
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Yeah and all ridiculous to believe are meaningful and accurate outside of literary metaphor
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:20 PM
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Lol You are better than any woman you have ever met All you have told us is that you are poor at objective comparison and highly biased in favor of yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:16 PM
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For real, surprised I had to scroll down so far to get this reply. Women don't give a fuck about men getting hyped over new cars either. It's almost as if, generally speaking, men and women tend to have differing interests. Yes but mature people don't look down on groups with different interests than them and are willing to acknowledge that the differences in preference are largely subjective
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:15 PM
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To you believe that using the word "nigger" because you're reading a passage from Tom Sawyer word for word and then discussing it (e.g. using it in a referential manner) carries the exact same connotations as a white person passing by a black person and saying "damn niggers"?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 07:21 AM
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This times a thousand. Don't forget, also a place to insist other people are bad people. To them, even just posting on PPD means you're a shitty person because engaging TRP means you're validating their viewpoints.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 02:27 AM
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Because she thinks she's right about everything and the only way she's wrong is if someone doesn't actually know what they believe
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:43 AM
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If I had a nickel for every time I saw a RPer or RPWier respond by softening a concept I'd seen almost exclusively in the originally-described form prior, I'd have a lot of nickels. No seriously, I've never seen this description before, ever, and I bet if you go posted this explanation on RPWives you'd get downvoted, or at least met with a lot of disagreement. I'd love to be proved wrong. The standard response then is to say "well we all know it's just hyperbole" or venting or metaphor or whatev…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:38 AM
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You may get socially isolated but persecuted is another story. It's he word against yours, which isn't good enough in court. You could probably convince your close friends she was lying and move on fairly well, but it wouldn't be pleasant. Or if you force her in a more subtle way she might just develop some emotional scarring since sometimes emotional abuse is hard to recognize by the receiver. You know, whatever floats your boat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 05:34 AM
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It doesn't have to be rape to be a justifiably harmful interaction. It's fairly clear that while raping a girl is not in most guys' best interest for countless reasons, that treating her in a way that may justifiably (not the modifier) mentally/emotionally harm her, or just utterly waste her time, is, for a good number of guys. This has been discussed elsewhere in the thread but I think it's an improper comparison to compare any sort of harm a woman could do to a man, solely to M->F rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 05:30 AM
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Pretty unfair. How would TRPers like it if women they hooked up with learned about their pasts and said "once a loser always a loser" and refused to be with them in any capacity. More importantly, it doesn't benefit the plate-seeking or relationship-seeking TRPer to assume that change is impossible. All it does is limit prospective plates/relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 05:26 AM
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You are taking reasonable concepts and extrapolating them too far. That's even worse because she's being much more overt about the fact that the guy is NEVER going to get the fun exciting sex she reserved for the hot assholes and the players she used to fuck Nothing necessitates that it will be "never". Not as fast? Maybe. But, for you, that's good, if you are taking the relationship seriously, because it implies that she is too, and that her attitude toward sex is more mature now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 05:23 AM
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Likewise girls will do the same thing. There are other factors at play that determine if they did it in a safe or helathy way, or if it speaks to their current attitude toward their relationship with you. What if a girl told you that she was put off by you because she knew you had easy plates in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 05:21 AM
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If you were with 5 guys before and they got sex on date 1 or 2 and you're making me wait until date 6... problem. It means (a) you're not into me in which case I'm wasting time with you; or (b) you believe I'm a beta provider and you're cashing in your chips on me; making me show provider bona fides before I get table scraps sex. This gives women no room for self-improvement. Obviously women who do exhibit these sorts of changes need to be treated with a little bit more caution. Habits die hard …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 05:19 AM
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So why does this apply for redpill but not feminism? Why shouldn't women treat every gun as if it's loaded, e.g. that he'd rape her if given the chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 09:21 AM
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I agree to an extent actually. My biggest beef with TBP is that it is the norm there to think that trying to understand something is the same thing as condoning it. Very many BPers will refuse to even listen to TRPers on the basis that doing so would legitimize them. By doing this they are distancing themselves from any hope of understanding that might be shared between the two groups. Heterogeneous society is not sustainiable when people behave this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 08:24 AM
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Well do you agree with the corresponding redpill approach? Or, did you just comment on /u/sublimemongrel's post randomly?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 08:21 AM
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The human condition sure is a bitch isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 08:20 AM
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... are you a text generator bot?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 08:18 AM
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I agree with that. To stay more on topic (instead of just talking about what interests me... sorry again) I would say that the usage of various RP vernacular is a tad more justifiable in PPD, where they are used more in reference to the concepts that underlie them in a meta-discussion about those concepts, as opposed to being use in the wild per se. This is analogous to saying the word nigger because it's in Huckleberry Finn (or even for example the way I've used it now), as opposed to actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:48 PM
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Correct, I was just pointing out the misuse of the word and in that particular post was not trying to argue against your point. Sorry if it was too off topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:23 PM
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Fair enough. I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that derogatory language is as bad or worse. This hails back to the conversations I've seen in the past about categorical vs personal insults, and which are worse. Generally, BPers think categorical insults (against say women as a gender) are worse than personal insults (e.g., "fuck you, you're a terrible person who will never get laid" and such) whereas RPers tend to think personal insults are worse, because they can harm a person's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:20 PM
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Interesting. This generally goest against the previaling TRP argument from the prior thread about women's vs men's pickiness in partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:15 PM
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No, in a meritocracy, people would read all the posts with equal weight because things like attention wouldn't be relevant, and would evaluate the posts based on the quality of their content only. I am not showing you that you're correct; you don't know what a meritocracy is, and apparently are not capable of understanding what a meritocracy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:13 PM
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So you disagree with the average TRP opinion on the "men aren't picky" discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:11 PM
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I'm curious what you think of the whole "men aren't picky" argument
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:10 PM
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Men aren't picky
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:08 PM
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Meritocracy means on the basis of ability, not history nor notoriety nor attention. In a meritocracy, it wouldn't matter how well-known you were, just how quality the content of your posts are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:03 PM
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Except you don't know my perspective except that I disagree that there's much more BP mockery. Which, I think, is accurate. Almost all the offensive vernacular comes from TRP, and I think that predisposes most of the offensive commentary to come from the red side. TBP may engage in more mockery, but that is only one sort of offensive commentary.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:02 PM
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Undoubtedly teh hot tempered baffoon, but even then I'm not sure if you're trying to cast Clinton as a cool headed, calculated sociopath because she is definitely not a sociopath. She may be conniving and opaque and unprinicpled but calling her a sociopath is just incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 09:48 PM
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Trump doesn't want to be president, but he's tired of idiots fucking up the country. Ironic, since he would fuck up the country horribly. I disagree with the other poster that it's a matter of international trade inexperience. I would place his inexperience on every other form of international policy. His spontaneity, inability to form consistent and coherent viewpoints and beliefs, and general unpredictability that scare me. I don't trust him from a PR perspective with leaders of other countrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 09:46 PM
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You've got blinders on buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 09:41 PM
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to stand out you have to make everything more radical for attention does not follow from The Red Pill is a meritocratic subreddit That is not what meritocratic means.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 09:40 PM
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we do not speak like we are Speak for yourself. 95% of TRPers beg to differ. I also have no idea why you think terper is a slur, it's literally a phonetic spelling of TRPer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 07:24 PM
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They're not really comparable. They're both bad in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 05:44 AM
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Okay, sure
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:56 PM
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Not sure if you're being sarcastic. Personally not a huge fan of pity parties in the general sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:46 PM
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Incels seem to go wherever they're allowed. No sympathy at TRP? Go to TBP. No sympathy at TBP? Come here. They go wherever people will lend them an ear, because they are having a pity party.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 06:11 PM
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I fully agree that plastic surgery is the logical conclusion to raise your physical SMV, but this is all predicated on valuing physical looks over other things. To me, getting plastic surgery signals that you care about your looks more than the money/time that went into getting it, or more than the other things you could have done with that money/time. To me, it's not a worthwhile investment unless there's some good motivating reason. By not getting plastic surgery and focusing on improving my S…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 01:23 AM
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And I once thought we were so similar...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 08:14 PM
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The real question here is why are you dating a guy who wants to buy a bunch of guns
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 07:27 AM
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Yeah I get you. I am just poking fun at the notion that BPers love to call me a "useful idiot" for trying to be as understanding as humanly possible to the RP perspective, for the sake of good discussion and understanding. Likewise, you and GuitarsAreGettingOld (nomdplume too, maybe a couple others) may not get as much shit from other RPers as I do from BPers, but seem to be by choice as understanding as humanly possible to the BP perspective, even if you don't agree with it, for the sake of mut…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:42 PM
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I guess people really are that dumb, but it seems like the obvious solution to "can't get pregnant" is GET A FERTILITY TEST
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:39 PM
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If I'm the useful idiot of TBP, you're the useful idiot of TRP. (Protip: neither of us are useful idiots. You're also not really red pill.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 09:22 PM
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If anything, that would make me want to take care of and raise a daughter
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:44 PM
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It's at best a local optima and at worst very suboptimal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:42 PM
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That's a totally ridiculous reason to sleep around to get pregnant from someone other than your husband. It's so ridiculous that I almost doubt any human being has ever believed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:40 PM
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Thank you! Was going to say everything you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:39 PM
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There is nothing about your describtion which invalidates his ability to be nice. But, he may also not be nice. Your description leaves open a wide range of possibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 02:09 AM
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Or they're being tongue-in-cheek
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 02:06 AM
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He can think whatever he wants, and keep his mouth shut because nobody cares what he thinks. Fat girls who shove their boobs in your face know they're fat, and they know they're shoving your boobs in your face. It's a net loss to comment on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 02:05 AM
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Bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 01:50 AM
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You being honest is of course good! But, I don't think that Why do we need to quote statistics in this sub when it has not worked in the past? is a matter of honesty. What I want to ask you, is what does it mean for statistics to "work?" My purpose in being here is to not convince people. It's to learn: and to contribute to our collective understanding of these matters. So, I don't care if specific individuals are convinced of something, or not, by quoting statistics. People who bring relevant s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 05:45 AM
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It's not that they have different opinions, it's that they're unwilling to explain them or even talk about the subject at hand in the first place. Why do we need to quote statistics in this sub when it has not worked in the past? This is basically a troll comment. What am I supposed to take away from this? Someone who genuinely believes that we should only do what has worked in the past that quoting statistics has "not worked in the past" (in the first place) that we shouldn't quote statistics (…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 06:54 AM
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Thanks for admitting with this series of comments that you are not interested in arguing in good faith. I will tag you as a person to avoid trying to have serious discussions with in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:55 AM
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The fact that this is how you see everyone with blue flair verifies, to me, that you are not accurately observing the world around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:52 AM
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Why are you here? You're not arguing. You're solipsistically spouting off your unsupported opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:52 AM
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In my LTR I know this was the truth. In my relationships before and after the red pill I have continued to observe and verify that women only love me if I act red pill, even then she is not in love with me, she loves her own feelings not me. I don't think this is something I can just take at face value from you. How do you actually know this? Why do you think this way? I'm not trying to just disbelieve you, But I really want to know why you think this. What aspect of the red pill triggered the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:51 AM
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That's why everyone leaves a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:31 AM
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There's nothing wrong with having that mindset, but lots of other people don't have that mindset, and lose nothing material by regretting sex every so often. Personally, I was pretty neutral about the experiences but would probably have not chosen to have them after the fact. But, it's not like I have this persistent lifelong sexual regret lingering with me. And in exchange I was able to be somewhat freer with myself sexually, which led to other, markedly positive experiences. But it doesn't mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:27 PM
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Here is the actual study behind that link. http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/publications/PDF/Infidelity%20in%20hetero%20couples.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:23 PM
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Here's the actual study behind that link: http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/publications/PDF/Infidelity%20in%20hetero%20couples.pdf There is a 4 percentage point difference, 23.2% men and 19.2% women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:22 PM
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http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/publications/PDF/Infidelity%20in%20hetero%20couples.pdf (Just one additional study, the OP has more)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:21 PM
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Most of the girls in my social group hated melee because we got waaaaaaaaaay too hardcore about it, and it was no longer fun at all for filthy casuals to play with us. Oh yeah, and we played way, way too much
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:11 PM
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This is not a legal example, but I think you have restricted the types of discrimination. I would call these systemic, but not legal. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-27/women-face-age-discrimination-earlier-and-more-often-than-men http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract Institutional misogyny need not be legal in nature. Institutional Sexism: Sexism that occurs at the level of political, social and economic organizations in our society that structure and govern human beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:03 PM
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I don't need TRPers to agree that TRP is a safe space for me to know it's a safe space. The writing's on the wall, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 05:21 AM
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means that you don't penalize people for what they say. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 05:20 AM
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However, none of it is submission by my definition, since the King is in the position of power and the explorer is asking for the funds to explore FOR the King. The assumption here to make the analogy hold in that particular way, would be that the woman is not in power. Is that true? Since she's the gatekeeper, she kind of is in power. Also, how do we know that the explorer is doing it "for" the king? Maybe he's doing it for his own end, and is only trying to use the king's resources for his ult…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 04:58 AM
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TIL the only thing RPers don't like about safe spaces is the term itself and the application of it to people who aren't them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 01:08 AM
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If she "grants permission" while he seeks it, she is submitting to his desire to have sex with her. THAT is where I see the "submission" coming into play. Yes, that's kind of a definitional thing. But does this sense of "submission" correspond to "losing?" If a king grants an explorer the right to build a ship with some funds, has the king "submitted" -> "lost" to the explorer?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 07:35 PM
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Hmm maybe it's laziness on my part or a way to dodge responsibility. Yep! Not to be mean, and really, I don't intend to be. But don't let the woe is me narrative overtake you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 12:14 AM
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Or maybe they just happened to be associated with a really drama-oriented, shallow clique of girls in the past, and found solace in the nonjudgmental nature of their guy friends? Your scenario is plausible, but it's not the only one. It's too coarse, like most TRP rules of thumb. Anyway, I've never heard a girl say "all" her friends are guys. I've heard "most" and "lots of" and I get it, because being a girl in an environment with mostly guys kind of forces your hand a little...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 12:12 AM
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I don't think this is a good thing! This isn't the thing that makes it cool to be a woman. It's just a statement of fact about society. The trick is to not let the fact that the societal bar for women (esp wrt relationships or whatever) is "low" make YOU lower your OWN bar. Yeah. It's because what you happen to personally value aligns with femininity, but what I personally value aligns with masculinity. So, do masculine shit and do it well. You can: you are not impeded because you are a woman. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 12:07 AM
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Wow. I'm not sure where to start with this. First of all, is it wrong to make factual statements like women cry more than men. No. Is crying bad? Also no. Do women cry more than men for primarily biological reasons that would not vary with environment? I don't think we a definitive answer. Does it matter? Probably not. Women do not suck at math. That's a stereotype and maybe a cultural residue. There are interesting hypotheses for why the population of women has a narrower standard deviation of …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 12:04 AM
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What if you don't meet any girls through your social circle? Expand your social circle, then. Granted that might require flickers of extroversion but friends of friends are what you're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 12:44 AM
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You get used to it. Especially when you realize that girls think the same way, except they have a more rational understanding of the tradeoffs of randomly having sex with everybody! Over half of sexually active people in developed countries get HPV at some point in their lifetimes, and in women, it can lead to cervical cancer. Have sex with too many guys and you get a bad reputation, and an influx of guys flirting with you. It's can be an annoying time investment and it's not always even that fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 08:25 PM
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Yeah we get each other. Let's take it a step further then: I think this is support for the "compatibility" framework for relationships, where people enter relationships with others not because they have high global/absolute SMV, but because they appeal specifically to some other individual person. That is, the notion of global SMV is, to some extent, wrong. Take one girl giving a visual exchange to two guys that might of similar average value by a sample of a million woman. I think there are pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 08:25 PM
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Presumably you reciprocate?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 08:11 PM
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This is a brilliant concept. I wish guys would have done this to me when I was single!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 08:10 PM
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You do realize this is disingenuous though and there's going to be collateral damage with guys who are actually nice and interested in talking to you, right? I do what I think is fair: buy your own drinks unless I plan on reciprocating. Two wrongs don't make a right. Though, I get it: you never asked, so it's not that unreasonable do take what's being offered for free. But deep down you understand that they're not just buying you a drink for no reason. They want to talk to you, and they're signa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 08:08 PM
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I think, essentially, I agree, though I wouldn't put it this way, and I think SAL might mean different things to us. Once a woman is interested in you, it's much more about 1) not fucking up badly and 2) getting a bit lucky that neither of you have dealbreakers for each other than it is straight-up game. You may be able to trick a woman into hooking up with you, but outlook is bad and I don't think it would go beyond an ONS (and probably a pretty bland one) anyway. There are kind of two stages t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 08:05 PM
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I think one thing I would try to do would be to convince him that you're not out to get him and that you also want what's best for both of you. I feel like a lot of red pillers feel like they can't trust their wives and that they kind of have to vie for their own happiness. I think you can explain to him that doing stuff like that isn't necessary because you also want both of you to be happier! Tell him that you're open to hearing about any problems he has with things and that you want to deal w…
/r/ExRedPill12/04/16 07:02 AM
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Anyone who tells you that being obese isn't a detriment to attracting women is lying straight to your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 10:56 PM
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LOL. You really think a woman instructed to give brutally honest advice on how to get laid wouldn't tell an obese guy to lose weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 10:55 PM
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I agree that the overlapping bell curves are the best way to illustrate a lot of the differences between men and women Except it takes an extremely high-dimensional space with weakly-correlated dimensions and projects it onto a single axis. The level of oversimplification taking place is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 09:07 PM
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The hope is that after therapy, your standard mode of interaction and standard level of self-maintenance will be good enough such that you will naturally attract women. Seems plausible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:59 PM
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Please go back to TRP, since this isn't actually an argument and nobody cares about your arbitrary opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:54 PM
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If you bend reality enough, everyone is a tool. Women are tools for pleasure and for getting tedious chores done so that you as a man can focus on the "important things" like networking and becoming rich blah blah blah. Transactionally, everyone is a tool, LOL. The goal is to find someone who sees you as more than a tool and who you see more than as a tool, where your interests and activities mutually benefit each other. At the end if you want to frame it this way yes you're still both tools tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:52 PM
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I'm 100% sure they're trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 12:44 AM
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They're trolling you, just disengage and try again with people who actually want to argue in good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 12:43 AM
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And as such we just as easily know some information about our own ability to successfully have kids and raise a family. The 40% chance of failure is similarly pointless in an individual context. When was this ever about your kids being superior?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:22 AM
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But I like being nice and silly! It was for me, not for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:23 AM
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Correct, and I tried to say so in a nice, silly way since we're in the joke comment chain :)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:20 AM
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Women don't love like men, and are not loyal at all. You need to realize that comments like this are not convincing and have zero utility in this subreddit. TRP is that way ------->
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:18 AM
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You're the one who misleadingly used the term "animals" and it doesn't really sound like you're arguing in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:16 AM
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The citation need not necessarily be a paper which supports the "idea that women routinely 'shop around' for good genes..." for the citation to be technically valid. They are calling it an "idea" not a "theory" or "hypothesis" or "idea with support;" They are saying that "these data" (e.g., their data and possibly others') pose a major challenge to that idea. It is not necessarily the case, then, that the "idea" is supported by any research, or anyone gives a shit about the "idea" Which makes th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:14 AM
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Hey, another detailed and well-contributing thread by /u/TheChemist158. Thanks, /u/TheChemist158!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:11 AM
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I am beginning to believe that "alpha" means men I like and "beta" means men I do not like. Hmm, it's almost as if individuals have preferences, and the real concepts of "alpha" and "beta" are too variable/fluid from person to person to have real meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:09 AM
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Change your flair color bro rep your crew
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:08 AM
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Looking at it this way, isn't it no wonder that the women that their emulation attracts don't happen to be the, er, best of the bunch? (Probably a more precise explanation is that they attract somewhat naive women who then react understandably negatively to their shitty tactics, but that explanation didn't fit that well into the sentence structure, LOL.) This is largely where i see the selection bias coming in.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:07 AM
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It's like a vegetable that tries its hardest to be a specific kind of piece of meat, or a woman who gets hilariously fake looking plastic surgery to in an attempt make herself look beautiful. Just like this, TRPers attempt to study, literaturize, and replicate the behavior of guys who are successful with women. Of course, they only manage to replicate a sallow husk of a real "alpha" that most people can see right through. They are emulating secondary characteristics of alphas and missing the mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:05 AM
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But I accept that my decision to engage in that risky behaviour is purely emotional. If I looked at the statistics I'd have to conclude that getting a job and being a wage slave is much more logical than starting my own business. I have no trouble admitting this. I am choosing a more risky path based purely on emotion. I think you are creating a false dichotomy between "logical" and "emotional." It can be very well seen as logical to value your own level of happiness/contentment, and if you do, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 03:50 AM
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It's a 40% chance of failure + an almost certainty of being miserable even if you do succeed. Let's say I give you the statistic that 49% of people get their period and that you are a man. Does this mean you have a half and half chance of getting a period?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 03:45 AM
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If the divorce rate is 40% and multiple studies confirm that having kids puts strain on your marriage it is a logical decision for everyone, not just me. This is an argument that the average person shouldn't have kids, which I might agree with, LOL, even though I still think that certain individuals could very well make a logical decision to have kids. I disagree with you that I don't think this is a matter of logic, because it will boil down to how you valuate the experience of having kids. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 03:43 AM
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Too lazy to say it better myself so yeah, I basically agree. There's a whole slew of life experiences you can only have if you have kids. A whole cocktail of natural drugs that you get to experience, the experience of raising a child, the experience of overseeing and guiding another human being's development, but not just any human being, one biologically half of you and the woman you love. Count me in; I'll take the negatives, they don't even make a dent. I am an experience driven person, so I …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 03:29 AM
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Men get PTSD from seeing their friends die in front of their eyes, women get PTSD from someone mistreating them a little or slapping them. This is one of the most disingenuous and inaccurate overgeneralizations I've read in a while. It's also extremely unconvincing. You can, with very few of them. The ones who can put their overwhelming emotions aside and deal with their issues. My fiancee is one of them. The average man and the average woman are both very bad at maturely taking responsibility f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 12:22 AM
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You slayed this whole exchange. Nice job.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 12:07 AM
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You don't think some people just naturally have more likeable qualities? You seem to think it's all just intentional manipulation and focus to be more popular. Honestly people that only care about being popular and cool tend to be shallow as fuck imo. It can be subconscious and a result of some natural traits the person has (what they're predisposed to) and subtle influences from when they were developing and growing up. I personally don't think that raw innate traits play a huge factor, except …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 01:46 AM
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Thrift store versions of those clothes would not look as put together, period. I've sent years scouring thrift stores for men's and women's clothing, and you cannot find clothes that look that nice or give that good of an impression. It is also a cost/time tradeoff. Value every hour you look for clothes in a thrift store at $30 and the costs are looking the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 01:28 AM
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That exact outfit was probably like $250 minimum just to let you know. Chukkas like that go for $70 minimum I'd say unless you get an incredible deal/sale, and those jeans are probably upwards of $100 too. Then the collared shirt, probably $40 minimum; socks, underwear, tshirt, and glasses make up the rest. $250 for a clean-cut outfit like that is not at all expensive, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 01:26 AM
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It's also about priorities. They might be stupid because they focused all their faculties on being cool, so they never really developed the other parts of their intelligence, making them seem stupid to you. Likewise some really smart people don't prioritize culture and dressing well, so they don't have a high social IQ despite being smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 01:23 AM
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This is one of the more "well duh" posts I've seen here in awhile. As per usual with observations like this, it's a specific instance of a more general phenomenon. That phenomenon being, women like men who have their shit together. Dressing well is one way of signalling that you have your shit together. "Well" could mean "expensively," and for some women and men it does. It could also mean "has attention for detail," which some women also enjoy. It could simply mean "clean and orderly." It could…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 01:22 AM
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I was just extending the joke made by /u/exit_sandman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 08:23 PM
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As it stands now, you do get many bloops simply throwing shit at TRP for generalising. This gets no one anywhere. TRP will just say "I don't care, it works for me" and TBP will say "only because you have a misogynistic view of women." And this argument repeats itself ad infinitum on PPD. The point isn't that TRP's identification of a problem (lack of sexual success) is misogynistic, it's the particulars of the solutions they propose. Namely, TRP makes claims like: you can never be platonic frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:46 PM
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I do know that I would no longer trust, respect, and admire him so much. Do you think it could be rebuilt over time if he remains faithful and dedicated to repairing the relationship afterward?
/r/RedPillWomen04/04/16 08:34 PM
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I think every case should be analyzed individually. I agree strongly with this. In general , I think that a woman should never be married to a cheater, because there was a break of trust. If there's no more trust, there's no more marriage. A tough question is: does cheating inherently result in a complete lack of trust after the fact? How can one tell which way this actually goes? It was a very noble attitude, and a very hard decision to make, and I think most women would never do what she did, …
/r/RedPillWomen04/04/16 08:33 PM
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Yes, but the consequences are still the same. Cheating is cheating. It's pretty frustrating when people think "cheating is cheating" is a valid counterargument to a long argument I've made about why there are different degrees of cheating. For me, the consequences are very much so not the same. I would try to work out what the intent of the other person was with regard to the long term arc of the relationship. Do you not think that some people make mistakes with their actions and do things that …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:13 PM
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I know a girl broke up with a guy cos he smoked weed and that was her deal breaker. Yeah, and if this wasn't stipulated beforehand, I think it's pretty cruel to break up with someone in that scenario, and unfortunate that an otherwise good relationship might end on such arbitrary terms. Personally I just don't grasp why people see cheating as such a big deal. To me it's much more about the intent behind it than the act itself. The vast majority of people out there have sex drives that don't auto…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:08 PM
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If they "just" made out with someone else, I'd probably feel similarly because agin, it's a conscious choice. But to be honest, at this point you're just being pedantic and nitpicky. You're now trying to breakdown what is or isn't cheating (to YOU, apparently) when it makes no real difference. For this discussion it does matter, because the wider the range of stuff that counts as cheating, the more understandable I think it is to have different responses for different degrees of cheating. If one…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 03:52 PM
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Oh wow, so now you are saying it's the guys/girls fault that they end the relation with the person who cheated? Yeah that's exactly what I said. (No, actually, it's not.) You don't get to define how I feel about it, it is a personal thing. Jeez. How difficult is to understand that? I do understand it. I'm not doling out blame, I'm just saying that if two people would otherwise be fine if they stayed together except one person very strongly reacted to the other person cheating and can't get over …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 03:39 PM
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There are a lot of goddamn steps in between meeting someone and fucking them, and during each one of those steps is an opportunity to change course and really think about what the fuck you're doing so no, it's hardly "a mistake" to stick your dick into another woman. In most cases yes I agree with you. But there are some cases where I think it actually does get a bit grey. What if you are spending the night at your friend's apartment for some incidental reason, and they try to hook up with you? …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 10:54 AM
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I'm not specifying the consequences. I'm making a relative statement, saying that the consequences for two different instances of cheating could very well be different, given any random person we pick who might be cheated on. You are the one who explicitly told me that the consequences "should be the same" (your own words). This is what I am disagreeing with. I am not prescribing specific consequences, just saying that the consequences for two different instances of cheating can reasonably be di…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:41 AM
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What intentions? The cheater wanted to get off and choose to do that with someone who wasn't their partner. As a matter of fact, who cares what other intentions they had? E.g., someone who cheats on you could be doing it because they don't actually care about you but are using you for other things, like favors/money, emotional stability, whatever; whereas, someone who cheats on you could also have just done it because they had a lapse of self control and felt horny. To me, the latter is much mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:40 AM
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And then they suffer the consequences of those actions. Why they did it doesn't matter to the consequences. I mean a person who gets drunk and gets in a car accident and kills someone isn't gonna get off lighter because of WHY they were drinking. The situations are not analogous. The effects of cheating on a relationship are dictated by why the person cheated and what the circumstances are. If a person cheats because they are having a full blown affair, that's a predictor that the person is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:32 AM
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In the event of infidelity however, all that is completely shattered. Is it really, though? Say the cheater calls their SO right after it happens and confesses and apologizes, saying they knew they made a bad decision. Is that really completely shattering the trust? Cheating leaves a bad taste in many mouths and a feeling of disgust or even repulsion towards the unfaithful party...why would anyone advocate trying to move on or push past that rather than leaving? Because perhaps it won't be so ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:23 AM
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Abundance mentality. They can find someone who makes them happy who also doesn't cheat on them. Yeah I think it's about weighing this. If you feel you have invested enough in this person and can trust them enough to the point where you really don't think this was an act of bad faith, perhaps there's really not that much work to be done other than really getting it through their head that it's fucked up to do that and a total breach of what you want from the relationship. Maybe they just have exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:18 AM
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You claimed right here: Yes I do think it should be the same That you think the consequences should be the same regardless the details about how the person cheated. You also say: I disagree, this to me sounds like things cheaters say to make themselves feel better. To my comment that said: Cheating doesn't always mean that the cheater didn't care about their SO or want it to last. Regardless of what started this, I am debating the first of these two points, because I think it is an interesting q…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:14 AM
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You are also disagreeing with my belief that two acts of cheating could reasonably justify two different consequences, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:03 AM
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I personally don't think that's rational, in most cases. I think that there exist situations where an act of cheating is not indicative of future cheating, infidelity, or lack of commitment in a relationship. Let's say the person who was cheated on has a goal of being happy, and that other than this incident, the relationship has made them happy. In this case, if the person who was cheated on ends the relationship because of this one act of infidelity, they are acting against their own happiness…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:01 AM
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I didn't actually make claims about what other people believe, you are making assumptions. Well, I'm trying to figure out why you believe what you do. If there's a dude out there who doesn't believe it's wrong to have sex with people other than his girlfriend, that it doesn't mean anything if he does that, and he cheats on his girlfriend because his self control was a little off one night, why does that mean something about whether or not the relationship should continue? Why does that automatic…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 08:54 AM
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I disagree, this to me sounds like things cheaters say to make themselves feel better. You seem to be very strongly of the belief that all people only have sex with people that they care about, and that all people think it's wrong to have sex with other people while in a relationship. A priori, this isn't true. Lots of people cheat because they think it "doesn't matter unless [their partner] find[s] out," because only then does it actually affect anything. I think that for practical reasons it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 08:28 AM
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Of course. But should the consequence for planned cheating with intentions of taking advantage of the other person really be the same as the consequence for "went out with girlfriends, in a series bad judgment and bad luck (particularly pushy guys around, happened to momentarily be out of sight of the group she's with, etc.) ended up sleeping with another guy"? You may say no, but to me, the answer is different. Severity of the consequences should match the severity of the action. The point of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 08:03 AM
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I might try to get back at it later. Please do, because I actually find this topic valuable to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 05:51 AM
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Sick link, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 05:39 AM
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As if there's no middle ground? Any woman who is in a relationship and violates the sexual contract that she and her partner agreed upon, cheated. But some cheating is worse than others, though none of it is good. Women are not always on top of what they are doing in the same way that men are not. Nobody is always on top of what they are doing, and some people make incidental mistakes due to lapses in judgment and unexpected situations that put stress on lapses in judgment. No cheating is accept…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 05:37 AM
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Families need a lot of different types of support, though, and kind of point-blank I agree with almost everything you're saying except this categorization. What about a father who teaches his son how to play sports or makes a pinewood derby car with him in cub scouts? Does that correspond to a "provider role" as well? I guess I'm just not sure why this categorization has to happen at all. Why can't the two people just express the ways they want to contribute to the relationship, and their priori…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 05:20 AM
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That can relate to the workplace too. Women with financial and economic ambition can struggle to find community and belonging in a male-dominated field, which may only be male-dominated for historic reasons, like entrenched societal values that exclusively channel men toward those fields. If you look at small liberal arts colleges who have intentionally equalized the academic playing field in STEM subjects (read: structured classes so that prior knowledge wasn't a key part of being successful), …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:57 AM
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Hm, I obviously think that it's silly/wrong to deem those things abnormal/unhealthy, but I'm not sure I would categorize them as "actual female desires." If a man has a desire to be in a marriage and have a family-centric lifestyle, is that feminine of him? Does having a job exclude you from wanting a family-centric lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:52 AM
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So prisoner's dilemma where they both have stockholm syndrome?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:48 AM
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Wow, very very on-point. Although, I don't necessarily agree that /u/questioningwoman is specifically describing a transactional type of relationship. She's describing a feedback system for responding to how your SO treats you, to avoid imbalance in relationship that can lead to dissatisfaction on one side and complacency on the other. Different people want the give/take to operate differently, and at different levels, with their partner. Some couples work best with a very large amount of give-a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:45 AM
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Where do you see their happiness decreasing relative to male happiness? How do you know that the changes in women's occupation account for these differences in happiness? It seems clear due to the year-to-year variation that the overall differences are very negligible. If the survey had started in 1994 you could argue that women have been getting happier absolutely and relative to men. Also what about the idea that working makes people sadder in general? What's to say that if men were SAHDs they…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:27 AM
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Think of all the pain you could have saved if you had just been here earlier in the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 01:08 PM
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Yes yes... the logic is suspiciously poor, is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 01:08 PM
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This was my motivation for this bit of twisted logic (if it can even be called that)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 01:08 PM
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I didn't need to calculate it out, my intuition for things like this is very strong so I simply knew it to be true ヽ༼Ὸل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 01:04 PM
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Yep, that's how proof by contradiction works!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 01:03 PM
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And touchingly thoroughly. Poe's Law is alive and well but I give people a lot of credit for assuming good faith in the face of utter nonsense. Sorry about my crimes against reason ;P
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 01:02 PM
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We shake off the cognitive dissonance and welcome our new overlords ヽ༼Ὸل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 12:59 PM
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I really have to say that your patience is supernatural. Thanks for being a great mod and contributor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 12:54 PM
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If you have a serious rebuttal I'm all ears.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 04:47 AM
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What I do is a art. Don't question it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 04:41 AM
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I know, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 02:48 AM
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Of course, the downside is that when you get downvoted, it means everyone hates you, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:46 PM
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That's a pretty good argument I have to say, but the problem here is that you're using the transitive property on something that isn't transitive. Since, if you're smart, you should be able to convince stupid people to agree with you. So, just because stupid people agree with you, doesn't mean you're stupid yourself. But thank you for your comment, this is the kind of interesting logic that makes me keep coming back to this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:42 PM
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He has more upvotes than me, which means that he's more correct than me, and he's an RPer and I'm just a PPer. Probably, his views are more accurate, so I should reconsider my own and possibly adopt his. I know that there are BP posters with lots of posts as well, which is why it's important to see what happens when they clash (aka this sub). As I've said, it points to TRP being right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:39 PM
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All this coming from a brand new account. Why should I believe you're arguing in good faith and not trying to slander me??
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:26 PM
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I don't think there's even a BP resurgence. If anything, the fact that BP is willing to engage more just shows that they've become more willing to accept the RP argument. Check out the top posts of the past week: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/top/?sort=top&t=week 3/6 of the top posts are TRP, including 3 of the top 4. The two BP posts, the OP gets shut down completely in the comments, the upvote/downvote ratio is intensely in favor of TRP. The final post is basically a peace pipe smo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:23 PM
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I'm at work right now so I can't dig through every single PPD thread and do a tally, but even /u/hyperrreal who is a mod here acknowledges this trend. And this isn't just one niche thread, it's the whole subreddit for the last year or so at least. Like I admitted to /u/hyperrreal it's not actual proof but it is pretty strong support. Why would the upvotes tend in the favor of TRP statistically unless there was a bigger reason for people to believe it? I've never even been a TRP supporter myself …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:11 PM
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I guess there will always be some uncertainty because the statistics will never say for sure which side is right. You would have to let the subreddit exist for an infinite amount of time, which is just not possible. So maybe you have CMV from TBP is proven wrong by this, but that TBP is most likely wrong with a pretty high level of certainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:05 PM
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The trick here is to look at the long term trends and see when the statistics reach a steady state. With this subreddit, I think it's been in place long enough where we've seen the upvotes tend in the direction of redpill opinions and it has stabilized like that. Of course, a good argument would be that there's still too much fluctuation to say with certainty. With religion, it might still be hard to say, but I haven't done the research to know. I doubt that the size of each religion would chang…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:03 PM
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There's only one paradox... My logic doesn't say I'm wrong, and I've discussed the statistical trends vs. individual posts point elsewhere plenty so it should be easy for you to find and read.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:58 PM
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But if you look at it more logically, it actually proves me right, so it kind of backfired, didn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:57 PM
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All possible, but these individual vote counts aren't really important in light of the larger statistical trends on this subreddit. Christianity is the largest religion. Does that mean they're more likely to be right? I actually have considered this argument before and do not readily see why it is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:56 PM
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No, you have the causality wrong. He gets more upvotes, which makes him right in general. Why he believes what he believes is a separate matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:50 PM
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This just proves my point even more! If they downvoted me because they disagree, doesn't that just support the idea that redditors use voting to show agreement or disagreement? Then, it's clear that most people here agree with TRP, which makes them statistically most likely to be right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:48 PM
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I think it's really a sign that it's not good logic for proving it one way or the other. Obviously there are cases where two people can be upvoted who have opinions that counteract each other. Again, that's why you can't treat this all on an individual level, you have to look at the statistical trends. Just because people refuse to accept my CMV doesn't change the statistical trend of TRP being upvoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:38 PM
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Wait a second though, since you're an RPer doesn't you being right just support my belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:36 PM
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But if I am wrong, then you can't use this logic. So, am I really wrong? This is a paradox, so you can't use this logic to disprove me. Have you even taken a basic class in deductive logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:29 PM
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This is a great example of why the standard you're proposing doesn't make sense. As of now, more people think you're wrong based on your upvote/downvote %. So even if you're correct, if we accept your argument, we immediately create a tautology. If you're correct then you must also be wrong, simply because you've been downvoted more than you've been upvoted. Isn't this a paradox, though? You're using my own assumption to disprove me. But in a world where my assumption is false, this argument can…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:26 PM
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I guess I'm not sure where the free speech thing comes into play with regard to your larger argument. Are you supporting the existence TRP on free speech grounds? Basically saying that TRP isn't harmful to society because free speech in general isn't harmful to society? I was countering your statement because I don't think that free speech is necessarily that important of a factor here. If you help me see where it comes into play, I can try to comment further.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:20 PM
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Fine, just deny the truth then. And how do you know bluepill is the societal norm? People who agree with redpill don't talk about it because of all the shit they get. I bet if you got a honest poll, redpill would win out once again.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:15 PM
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TBP get's fewer upvotes because they aren't as many bluepillers here. Whether TBP is wrong or not (whatever that even means), that's why they there's a voting discrepancy. I already addressed this in my reply to /u/theoceanrightnow Do you know why we don't allow downvotes on PPD? It's because when the sub started, redpillers were getting downvoted into oblivion. To use your logic then, redpillers were wrong then, and now they're right simply because there's more of them here. Well, by that point…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:14 PM
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But if there's less bluepill people, it means that there are fewer people who disagree with redpill than people who support it, right? By the law of large numbers, this means that TRP is most likely correct. Even if you think there are equal or more bluepill people overall, since they're less willing to support their beliefs than redpill people, there's still effectively more support for redpill, again making TRP most likely correct. No matter how you slice it and/or dice it, TRP comes out on to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:10 PM
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Chill out bro, not a fan of pedantry?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:06 PM
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Which is zany, because nearly every modern first-world government includes free speech as a very integral tenet. What about Singapore? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore#Freedom_of_expression_and_association Singapore is certainly a modern first-world government.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 09:59 PM
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I learned the supposed "lesson" in the red pill when I was about 13 years old and in its non-stunted form: that for the most part, people don't give a shit about you, and you have to be careful around them; also, how important it is to surround yourself with the right ones, with a healthy group that you can trust, not and never entirely, but more than the average person who either outwardly doesn't care or might have ulterior motives to treating you nicely in the present. This, of course, applie…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 09:21 AM
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If you actually read it the majority of the comments are disagreeing with OP. Your point is not made. The majority disagree? Erm, not really. The most upvoted three comments are: "You can get an RPer to argue ANYTHING if you pose it against RP theory. Anything. I've gotten them to argue that you can indeed edit natural laws to suit your needs. I've gotten them to actually say that with the proper context, the giant piles of misogynistic etc quotes we have suddenly become not misogynistic and com…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 03:00 AM
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You subscribe by clicking the subscribe button on their subreddit. Are you sure you understand how reddit works? https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/347fto/why_you_shouldnt_post_on_ppd/ There are tons of threads like this. I'm not trying to make myself feel important, man, just calling it like I see it. I'm not trying to slam TBP or anything but undoubtedly they don't think it's worthwhile to come over here. They usually say that just by engaging with TRPers it would validate their opi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 01:14 AM
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BP actively discourages their subscribers from coming here and downvote-shames the ones that do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 12:58 AM
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Yeah, because taking a step back and thinking about it at a very serious level, it's people who genuinely believe that other people's perceptions about things are explicitly wrong who are causing lots of the world's current problems, are they not? The source of many problems is people choosing to force their beliefs on others because they just know they are right. This is just one baby step further than the resigned "other people are wrong, and that's okay," with this sense that nothing can chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 12:06 AM
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Except it's not actually funny, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 11:50 PM
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Yep, I've witnessed this as well. Really messed up that this kind of thing is necessary
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 11:50 PM
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For the next year we dated, but she was only a master's student, and had a scholarship with the public sector of her country where she'd have to then go work for 5-6 years, mandatory (in return, they paid for her bachelor's and master's education overseas in full). Of course, we had planned to break up again when she had to go back, and that's what we did. While we were apart, I had two relationships and she had about a half dozen. Mine were more serious and hers were more of flings. Not that su…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 11:43 PM
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In my opinion, yes, they are sowing the seeds of their own unhappiness, but that's on them to deal with. I have a very different social universe than you do. I'm a lot younger, I grew up in a much more urban environment, my girlfriend lives on the other side of the world (for the next 1-3 years we'll be doing long distance due to inevitable circumstances), and my sex/gender aren't what you think (unless you've made a very lucky guess). The prevalent wisdom while I was growing up was "do whatever…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 11:43 PM
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You do not have a proper experiment, so the notion of a p-value here is totally irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 08:43 PM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 08:42 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCdHP1BBR_c
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/16 03:28 AM
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LOL. It's really depressing but also funny how delusional you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:46 AM
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Calling your child a "retard" or a "fucker" is verbal child abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:24 AM
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Wow
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 02:55 AM
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But even then it seems like the only cut off is if this is advised beforehand versus after the fact. ... no, not really. Why do you think this? It's about not telling women what they should do, but instead making cause -> effect relationships of behaviors->change in chance of rape (precautions), and then not judging women based on which of those precautions they choose to take, since there are challenging compromises to evaluate for almost all of them. If that's the case then ironically it's wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 11:37 PM
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Oh, that's a good point. I think that there are rare cases here where either 1) a woman has pathological behavior that puts her in positions where men are more likely to rape her, or 2) she gets awful, awful luck and just happens to get raped often. In the first case, I would still not say that it was her "fault" what happened or that she is to "blame." Especially not necessarily. Maybe she was raped as a child and has psychological problems because of it, and maybe she was groomed by rapists wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 08:43 PM
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I'm explaining why they think that way, but personally, I disagree with them and with that logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 08:03 PM
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LOL. See though, for some feminists, "intent doesn't matter," so even though men do not have explicit sexist intentions, the fact that their actions correspond to actions which could potentially be interpreted that way actually makes them that way. Lots of feminists see sexism as subconscious: it's not that men are actively trying to establish dominance and oppress women, it's just that they have tendencies that cause them to inadvertently do those things because of how they've been socialized.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 06:56 PM
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With rape, the methods to remove the incentives greatly restrict freedom. One would include telling girls not to dress revealingly, which makes rapists less likely to target you as you are less sexually appealing. Another one is avoiding alcohol consumption, but again, that's a heavy freedom restriction. Right. I'm just saying we should set our standards as high as possible for, as a society, trying to figure out how to remove these incentives while restricting freedom as little as possible. Obv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 06:42 PM
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I don't think feminists will be mad if you tell them that they shouldn't, e.g. get blackout drunk every single day after going to bars in strange neighborhoods by themselves. Any advice that would more or less apply to anyone regardless of sex/gender I think is okay. It's the invasive, women-specific advice, and the retroactive, "you should have" framing of the advice that cause problems for them. Likewise, expecting unrealistic outcome, obviously, is stupid. Lots of people do things like the ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 06:28 PM
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It's tricky. But I think the answer is to let women pick which precautions they take, and if they get raped, still don't blame them, but try to develop more accurate and helpful prosecution regulations for those sorts of crimes. I'm not claiming I have all the answers, But I am claiming that I don't believe that "tell women they should prevent themselves by being raped by taking this set of measures" is a useful strategy either. First, I would assume that most of them are already aware of those …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 05:33 PM
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There's a difference between "telling a woman what to do" (prescriptive) and making a relation between a preventative measure and a consequence (descriptive). I agree, you should never instruct women on how they should act. And even to women who have been raped, from a psychological/emotional standpoint it is probably unwise to "analyze" what does and does not contribute to rape with them. It's just rude, and assumes they haven't thought it through well enough on their own, which they very likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 05:08 PM
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It happens all the time. Just two days ago my friend's car stereo got stolen even though he locked his car. The first few responses were "what do you expect based on the neighborhood you chose to live in bro" or something similar. He doesn't make much so he lives in a slightly worse part of town.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 05:03 PM
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I'm confused. Are you disagreeing with my statement about what we should do (e.g. you think my suggestion is a bad one), or do you think that feminists will still not accept my version of the statement? I've pitched this difference in a women's studies class and among a number of pretty hardcore feminists, and even if they're not receptive at first, after some discussion they always either come around and agree with me, or make it clear that they're not interested in acknowledging the facts of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 05:00 PM
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The difference is that lot of the precautions that people suggest girls take to not be raped are a lot more invasive on their personal lives than things like "make sure to lock your doors and shut your windows." They're things like "never spend one-on-one time with a guy," "don't go back to a guy's apartment unless you intend to have sex with him," "don't get drunk because it makes you vulnerable," "don't walk alone outside at night," etc. These limit what women can and can't do in society and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:52 PM
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I learned how to express this sentiment without upsetting people. You have to turn the prescriptive statement into a descriptive one. Bad: "Women should take precautions to prevent themselves from being raped. Good: "There are precautions that can be taken that decrease your chance of being raped." or "If you want to decrease your chance of being raped, you can take these precautions to do so." The problem with the bad version of the statement is that it places the onus on women to prevent rapes…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:46 PM
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You are a fucking mindreader. Every time I want to post a comment but you already got there, it's exactly what I wanted to say!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:31 AM
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Yeah I know, it's fucking sad. So many awful men out there nowadays who aren't worth a damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:27 AM
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TRP is that way ---------------> We're in PPD, strawmen like this aren't gonna fly. Few people here are going to argue that every feminist is right about everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:19 PM
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THIS SUB IS GOING IN THE SHITTER AND IT'S BECAUSE OF REDUCTIVIST QUESTIONS LIKE THIS ONE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:16 PM
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I think the idea here is that people make mistakes. Yes, if your "friends" are constantly doing this, that's bad. But I've criticized a friend while I was talking to another friend before. The friend I criticized, I still like them a lot in most ways and respect them a lot as a person. The very few times I've done this, it was a mistake, and I was annoyed about something incidental; I should have gotten my annoyance out in a healthier way. If I did this all the time to my friends, I'd be a dick.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:13 PM
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I think you're overgeneralizing. Some women do just get along better with men. I disagree with the idea that female-dominant social groups on average produce less drama than male-dominant social groups, but the forms of conflict that each produce are different. Some women just don't fit into female-dominant modes of socializing, or they have different hobbies than the women in their environments. I know lots of women who hang out almost exclusively with guys who don't act weird about it, who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:03 PM
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I haven't been participating on this sub as much because of this neanderthal turn for the worse it's seen lately. Christ, even the proposition. Can women and women be friends? No shit they can be friends! I mean, the whole pill debating has always had problems with overgeneralizations, but this is just too far. There's literally nothing of value to be discussed here. Some men will struggle to interact well with other men. Some women will struggle to interact well with other women. Some men will …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 06:56 PM
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Good one bro! AWALT!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 06:52 PM
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Your response that these phenomena apply to relationships in general is something I also completely agree with. The romantic relationship context is just a specific instance of how these phenomena function in general, I think. However, I'm not sure that falls into strictly RP/BP lines as TRP defines them. I think people are generally more complex than that and their choice of activity depends on a lot of things. Are you interested in expanding on this? Definitely, I think that it's more complica…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 08:59 PM
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Okay, so I think we can agree that rejection still hurts even when there's a good reason why it happened. The ticket here, to me, is to have the understanding that the woman in this scenario is not really giving it out "for free" because it dampens the pain of the rejection, since it explains it. It also might give the guy a reason to not want the woman in the first place. And in any case, even if the woman is making arbitrary selections (or, by some sets of assumptions, unfair selections), it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 07:28 PM
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Lie and say you're not a math major then, get with the game. She's not giving it out "free" to a ton of other people, she's giving it to the people who don't rub her the wrong way. My guess is plenty of them are lying or intentionally saying what they think she wants to hear, being flirty, etc. If he doesn't want to compromise his morals like that, then he shouldn't be surprised to get rejected by girls who expect guys to cater to them like that. Those guys were willing to sell out, so they get …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 03:58 AM
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I think there is no doubt that promiscuity increases your chance of getting an STD, at which time direct harm would be taking place. Is the harm "just?" I don't know... Promiscuity has pros for some people but far too often out of some sense of being PC, I seep people dismissing the cons. Promiscuity can physically harm you: no matter how many precautions you take when you have sex with strangers, you can still get an STD. You are putting yourself in a vulnerable position around a stranger. I wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 03:55 AM
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I don't know if that's true. I think they're related, there's feedback, and they create each other. The parties are already there, the scenes are already in place, and people come into them and both contribute to them and get affected by them. I have no doubts that most BPers and RPers on average have pretty different modes of socializing. It seems unsurprising to me that a bunch of people who think women are hamstery, untrustworthy, unreliable, less intelligent, etc. interact in environments wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 03:45 AM
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I'm sorry, I didn't intend to make assumptions about how your mind works. Whether or not it was the operating factor for you, societal norms and expectations play a large role IMO in the difference between how often men approach women and vice versa. Of course, individuals can be outliers: I'm not trying to deny you of that. My point was basically that for lots of men, being shy is at odds with very important desires they have, namely, the desire to be in a relationship, and for them, being shy …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:36 PM
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What do you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 03:58 AM
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So basically you don't disagree at all with anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 12:20 AM
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I was too shy. And there was no reason for you to approach them, since society dictates that most of the time men approach women. I was always shy about this back in my single days, but I approached women anyway, because there was a 0% chance I was going to get in relationships if I didn't approach. Being shy is not reason alone that you didn't approach guys. Otherwise, the first part of your point still stands. Being hot is not the sole reason a girl might approach a guy, nor is it even the pri…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 06:58 AM
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Despite the fact that I still see flaws with AWALT as an instructive tool, I see the reasoning here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 07:05 AM
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Seeing the other's side isn't a black and white issue. Even diametrically opposed people are not truly on opposite "sides" from a pure understanding standpoint. And understanding and empathy are not necessarily the same thing: we can understand what it is like to be a man/woman even if we are not one, can't we? If the average man and the average man are proponents of incompatible systems that support the structures they prefer, there needs to be some coordination between those systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 06:56 AM
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Well, you convinced me!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 04:26 AM
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It's entirely reasonable. A charge of hypocrisy, even if applicable, isn't a logical argument anyway. You're misinterpreting me here a bit too. I'm not trying to say that you're being hypocritical with regard to charging TBP as belief driven relative to TRP, I'm making the general point that TRP has beliefs too, and (maybe too implicitly) suggesting that neither are all that much like religions. Or maybe you're right and they're both kind of like religions, I'm confused now. Personally, I try no…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 02:30 AM
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Women were fucked up in a different way. They were told they were pretty instead of being told they were smart, they were told to expect chivalry. They were told to not get their hands dirty or their knees scraped up. They were told that various intellectual activities weren't for them. 82% of juvenile sexual abuse victims are female (https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1#victims). It may not have fucked them up in the same apparent ways that some me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:42 PM
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So you just wanted to say this, it doesn't actually have to do with what /u/OfSpock said.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:32 PM
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I'm not trying to be dense here, but what exactly are those happy thoughts that aren't realistic? Love, certainly, isn't finite. The point isn't to believe something so you feel better, it's to deal with the situation in stride. Once something like being cheated on or being broken up with out of the blue has already happened, what alternative better helps you get through it than what was described above? I don't see anything unrealistic about the thought process. But, for me, time and other reso…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:28 PM
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Can you explain how you deduct this outcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 10:38 PM
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Yeah just to be clear I wasn't being sarcastic or anything. I know how you feel man I've been there before too. Best wishes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 08:32 PM
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This is a great example of healthy BP attitude/thinking, for those who always ask about it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 09:15 PM
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Yes, and that's the end of the conversation as far as I am concerned. Except it's not, because just because one thing is worse doesn't make another thing bad and still worth condemning. You are obviously a sign carrying protester regarding this issue, and that's fine. It's not something I'm interested in opposing. I'm not really, but I am educated about the matter because it is an important matter. Just because it's not as bad as FGM doesn't make it an acceptable practice. If you read my links, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 06:49 PM
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FYI this is an asymmetry argument common with TRP. They think that men value sex more, and women value commitment more. They link this to the risks involved with men giving commitment commitment as being comparable to the risks involved with women giving sex. I could be more precise here but I'm a bit lazy. I'm not arguing, just trying to clarify the RP perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 06:39 AM
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TBP is not a strategy, it's a reactionary response to the uglier parts of TRP. You don't need to listen to everything TBP says like it's an instruction manual, but you should use them as a reminder to be critical of the aspects of TRP that, say, dismiss women as biologically less mentally capable than men, etc. And, you should use them as a reminder of the heterogeneity of men and women both: some women will break the stereotypes (in fact, many will) and likewise with men. Different things work …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 06:16 AM
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Go to whatever sub you think helps you learn and benefit. But keep in mind, having discussions with people you disagree with is a lot harder in general. Challenging yourself to argue effectively and productively with people who have very different opinions from you can accomplish a different set of goals than discussing things with people in your own so-called camp. it's like arguing on a feminist Facebook page, there is a rare person willing to listen everyone else is just there to flame or tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 06:06 AM
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Male circumcision is a routine medical procedure performed by trained doctors in a professional medical facility. In the United States, yes. What about places where WHO et al recommended (under faulty premises) that sub-Saharan African countries circumcise en-masse to protect against HIV? "This study found that the prevalence of adverse events from traditional and medical circumcisions in Bungoma district, Kenya, is an order of magnitude higher than clinical circumcisions performed on infants in…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 05:41 AM
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He's also a wigger which doesn't really help LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 06:14 PM
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Thats not different for me than being born 7 feet tall and throwing balls in a hoop or being naturally thin and angular and serving as a hangar for high fashion. Not every 7 foot person is a good basketball player and not every think/angular woman is a model. The physical traits here don't make it easy for someone to do those things, they just help a bit. It still takes a lot of dedication, man. You're looking at these sorts of occupations in a very narrowminded way. At least, it takes people/bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 05:38 AM
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I highly doubt that a pornstar's kids will get shafted for jobs because in a background check they found out their mom was a pornstar. Speculation at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 05:33 AM
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Being a successful enough supermodel or sure, even pornstar, to become a playboy bunny of the month (or whatever) sounds like a valid accomplishment to me. I don't necessarily believe that her willingness to pose nude/etc confers bad morals or a bad personal definition. It's the excessive drug use and cheating on her husband part that speaks to her poor moral character, in this case...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 05:31 AM
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Being a porn star gives someone zero life skills or wisdom to pass onto their children. What is she gonna do, teach her son how to fuck? Do kids really get their employability skills from their parents? She could be an otherwise well-socialized person who can teach her kids how to read, give them arts and crafts to do when they're younger, teach them interpersonal skills, etc. like any other parent. Does working in retail give you skills to pass down to your parents? Only in a stretch. But that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 05:28 AM
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No, it's really because men have more physical stamina, and are less prone to injuries. That's why men take the coal mining jobs. So you're saying that physical restrictions are what should dictate the professions that each sex decides to take on? Look, I don't deny that it plays a role, but I actually do think the difference is more cultural than social. Being a coal miner is a shitty job no matter if you're a man or a woman. The physical dangers don't so much come from the risks that arise fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 11:13 PM
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Do you really think men in the West are as oppressed as some girl in Africa getting her clitoris cut off with a broken beer bottle? You can argue for what's "worse" all you like, but just saying that one group isn't as oppressed as another doesn't mean that the first group's oppression isn't worth discussing. I think an unfortunate residue of the syntax we use to express these ideas is that it's semantically limiting: when we say women are "oppressed" there's the impulse to restrict our opinion …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 05:28 PM
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You're blue now?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 05:09 PM
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Why not both? Sounds like you just rephrased what he meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 11:35 PM
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How do you establish yourself as a man? I don't, because this is a dumb concept. The more dominance my girlfriend has in our relationship, the happier I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 04:58 AM
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You have to be attractive to the woman you're interested in. Looks are a factor, but women's tastes differ a lot, and not all of them have extraordinarily high bars, sometimes due to knowing their own limited attractiveness and sometimes due to diminishing returns once a moderate level of attractiveness is present. Being attractive to a woman has a number of different facets. Many go beyond mere looks, and involve how you dress, your social skills, how at ease you make her feel, how engaging you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 10:44 PM
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Personal charisma is way too ingrained in people's natures to be changeable What support do you have for this besides just your arbitrary beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 10:21 PM
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Usually, feminists argue to me that relatively small fraction of men commit most rapes, and that the fraction of women who have been raped is well below 1/2. So, I don't think the vast majority of them would argue that most men are rapists. The argument for them getting away with it does rely on patriarchy to an extent, and that's a lot fishier. But I don't think the OP is making any meaningful commentary on that aspect of this issue, at least not that I can discern.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 07:58 PM
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Good one
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 07:28 AM
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You have to be sick but not excessively so. My point was more that it's not really the form of interaction that estranged guys seek. Men who can't get sex probably won't be particularly happy with forcing someone to have sex with them. That's not really a long-term solution to their problems. It's probably not very psychologically satisfying either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 07:28 AM
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I don't know what kind of weird facetiousness this is... but I find it unbelievable that you think that the solution to "lonely, sexually-frustrated guys sitting at home trying to resist the urge to watch porn" (?) is to rape women. Yep, that's what all men really want. To rape women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 05:56 AM
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Definitely moderate
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 08:44 PM
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You used the logic that feeling physical pleasure means you weren't raped. This shames/silences rape victims who, uncontrollably, felt physical pleasure. You are telling them that by definition they weren't raped, when in fact they were. You're denying them the ability to convey that they have been raped based on faulty logic and understanding of physiology and a terribly undeveloped way of looking at personal autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 09:37 PM
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You're exactly right and it's fuckers like /u/wub1234 that keep rape victims from being able to discuss the fact that experiencing physical pleasure may actually have made the experience even worse on the whole. I know people close to me who have expressed deep shame and guilt for being incapable of stifling the physical pleasure they felt while being sexually harassed or raped. It's very important to realize that deciding against doing something for conscious/psychological/ideological reasons, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 07:53 PM
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So what you're saying is that as long as the result of making someone to do something causes them to experience pleasure, they weren't actually forced, because people always want to do things that make them experience pleasure. Brb, going to go jab my toddler nephew with a heroin needle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 07:47 PM
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There are some seriously fucked up people out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 07:40 PM
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Fucking christ no. I'd allow her to rally against the patriarchy a little bit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 10:17 AM
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Yes, my girlfriend is a feminist (and so am I), actually every girlfriend I've ever had has been a feminist. Probably all the hookups too even
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 05:49 AM
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Lol. I'm super girly for a dude but I think the notion of male pride is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 09:27 PM
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Any ounce of male pride I have I try to eradicate. Dumb irrational attitude. I'm not saying men should do this, but I personally don't see value in being headstrong for no reason and caring about shit that doesn't matter. Supporting his pride in your relationship and avoiding embarrassing him don't have so much to do with this concept IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 09:26 PM
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The person think that TRP are women's enemies, not men. (For the record I don't agree with their use of hyperbole.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 08:17 PM
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Then get out of the conversation. Your definition of relationship is not helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 01:25 AM
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It's not though. At all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 01:23 AM
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Please explain to me how the space between the breasts is part of "overall body figure" in a way that the shape and form of the penis is not. Clearly it doesn't have to be fully exposed, but a woman can't really dress comfortably without the curvature of her boobs being apparent in some way shape or form. Hence, part of her figure. Men can easily wear pants that don't make the shape of their dicks apparent. No more than breasts connote sex. Are you joking? Dicks and vaginas are by far the parts …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 11:26 PM
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Penises are not part of a person's overall body figure. They're also sex organs, which is more than being just part of one's figure. They implicitly carry the connotation of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 07:59 PM
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really great comment... and this is so true. i'm only moderately busty, but i still can't button up some shirts all the way or wear turtlenecks :( which makes me sad, because i think they're a comfortable but nice thing to wear in the workplace. Can you post a pic of the kind of turtleneck you mean? I'm kind of struggling to visualize how a turtleneck could be a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 07:56 PM
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Don't different people have different valuations of what indicates the want for male attention? Couldn't it get very fuzzy around the line? Shouldn't the workplace be reserved for work, not approaching people sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 07:39 PM
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Fair. But I think the question is more of, where is the line between attire justifiably inviting male attention versus not? My girlfriend judges people who bare their shoulders (particularly if it exposes bra straps) or shows cleavage at work. She claims she judges just their choice to dress that way, but not them as people, that she doesn't think any less of them as people. I'm not sure I think those two judgments can really be separated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 06:51 PM
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My girlfriend brought up the same bit, haha. Basically, I think for attire to be considered a "whore's uniform" it has to be a decent amount more scandalous than the pic i linked. Otherwise, I agree with the general premise. Beyond a certain point, it's clear that the intention is to attract male attention, and that's not okay for the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 06:44 PM
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there is a time and a place, but the office isn't it. Can you expand this more? My base belief is that anything should be okay as long as there's not a good reason it's not okay, as in, the onus is on the person imposing the restriction to justify why they feel it's necessary. This seems like such an instance: what's wrong with having visible cleavage? Does it harm the environment somehow? I don't think it does, so I don't see anything wrong with it. There's a bit of societal stigma, but I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 06:42 PM
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So if the workplace allows it then people shouldn't judge it as inappropriate?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 06:34 PM
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It's hard to trust someone who evinces no awareness of potential relationship pitfalls. This is the clincher right here. Girls who sell you some sappy nonsense about only having eyes for you are either 1. full of shit or 2. naive and lacking self-awareness. In case 2, they're not lying, but they really mean "I only have eyes for you, when I'm sober, clearheaded, and otherwise thinking rationally" which is NOT ALL THE TIME, and that's true for every human being on this planet. With a continuous s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 10:25 PM
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I don't think you know what the cock carousel is. It's not the same as "having some one night stands."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:59 PM
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I bet he's mad jelly that he can't get laid
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:57 PM
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Isn't it great? Women are becoming statistically wiser and are choosing to not sleep with dudes just because they're hot/aggressive. Isn't this what everyone wanted all along, for women to judge men moreso on the quality of their character?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:57 PM
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Up your SMV pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:55 PM
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Wait, so you're telling me that sometimes people have sex with other people that they just met, without putting them through a careful vetting process??? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:54 PM
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Wow, women have sex with guys who they didn't filter carefully enough, probably because they were horny and wanted to get laid. BIG SHOCKER
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:53 PM
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Cock carousel proven correct because there's public evidence that one night stands actually do take place? Oh dear god. You're actually surprised that people are citing the existence of one night stands???
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:52 PM
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TIL every non-TRP relationship that's ever existed has had zero desire
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:49 PM
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People of all ages can make their own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 05:09 AM
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Blue Pillers - Why do you think the red pill is really bad? (Or anything else that would help me formulate an opinion) Here's what I think, from a BP perspective since we clearly already got the RP one. I disagree with many tenets of the red pill because they either 1) aim to achieve goals that I personally do not have and that I think are not great goals for the average person (or perhaps for society), or 2) because they use "on average" or correlative statistics about subgroups of people (nota…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 05:07 AM
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Like any group of people, I don't think there's real predictive power to say whether one individual of that group is, as a person, exemplary or embodying of the primary negatives sometimes produced by that group. E.g., TRP espouses as its doctrine some beliefs which could be instantiated by its members in a way that I would find immoral, or at least, in a way that I personally would not find healthy for myself, as an influence on me from people I would consider friends, or in society. But, any o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 03:42 AM
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FWIW I think RP and BP would agree with this. It doesn't strike me as RP thinking based on their usual fundamentals, moreso just sanity. Lots of the circlejerking on creepypms for example involves laughing at the excessively long-term and poor signaling of guys who end up in the friend zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:14 AM
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You're right that was retarded of me to say. I retract it fully as an example though I think my point still stands
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 05:06 AM
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Most of the studies don't really support that it's predetermined, and if I recall correctly, the one that 'sort of did', was found to be missing a control, and was statistically insignificant once that condition was controlled for. Thanks for not reading the page I linked or the articles it cites All 'disorder' means is that one doesn't function well within society due to some condition. The only reason transexuals/transgender people don't fit well into society is because people have decided to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 04:57 AM
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Some people also tend to think they should have a penis where their cunt is and vice-versa. Show me DTI, fMRI, and ontogenetic support for these claims instead of self-reported garbage. I'm not trying to provide you with direct evidence but here's a good post about what we know: http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/4206. Here's some info about transexual people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual#Brain-based_studies
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 03:09 AM
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You need to be more precise in your OP then. Your use of the word "all" has triggered people like me to argue against the absolute case. In general, I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 03:05 AM
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Objects without mass are not affected by gravity. Also "by definition" tautological examples of this are kind of not the point (e.g. "all green things are green"). Fish are defined by how they breathe, so it's a bit disingenous. But even then, there are fish who are "obligate air breathers". More or less I agree that in cases outside of pure logic usually there are exceptions to any rule. In this case I tend to agree. I believe that some girls (albeit very few) never go through the experimental …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 03:04 AM
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Yeah it's sad when men take this as some kind of affront on them: "You did this before, why not with me? You must not like me as much, or you're just using me" etc. I don't think that's the case, she just doesn't want to go through an unpleasant experience again now that she knows she doesn't like it. But, I'm sympathetic to the feeling... just because you understand why you have that feeling and know it's unfair/irrational doesn't make it magically disappear. But treating it the way RPers tend …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 02:59 AM
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Men and women are equal, so logically, there's a woman out there for me. Like someone else mentioned this isn't how equality works. It doesn't mean there isn't a woman out there for you, but it also doesn't mean there is. Seems like you need to work through some personal matters before you're ready to pursue a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:29 AM
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Oh, but it's annoying that RPers say this when they also use the "extremists don't represent RP" argument to respond to criticisms of some of the less savory parts of TRP, which doesn't happen as much anymore but used to happen ALL THE TIME to the point where it was modus operandi
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:12 AM
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Plenty of posts over on TRP saying not to come here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:03 AM
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Because they're largely not interested in challenging their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:02 AM
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What the hell is the point of this post? I don't care at all about any of this
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 06:03 AM
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It's clearly a venn-diagram, with each gender having their individual problems, and both genders sharing a set of problems as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 05:09 AM
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This is basic RP No, it's basic /u/TheGreasyPole. You just like giving TRP way more credit than it deserves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 04:50 AM
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This this this this this. They do gymnastics to make their beliefs line up with reality. And if they can't, it's "you're lying" or "I don't believe you"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 04:47 AM
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Lol. Your definition of passion is way worse IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 04:43 AM
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Basically all the points you raise here I already agree with and are discussed in depth in the first link (and to a lesser extent the second one). I am fully aware that filing a complaint and following through with it can be dehumanizing, exhausting, unfulfilling, disheartening, etc. I've had a handful of friends/girlfriends go through it (with varying levels of success, but mostly without success) and other friends/girlfriends be raped and not file. So yeah I get that it's not an easy road. Reg…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 09:40 PM
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You're right. While poking around I found this article, which provides a great summary of the current state of false rape claim knowledge. http://www.vox.com/2015/6/1/8687479/lie-rape-statistics One study of false rape claims made to the Los Angeles Police Department and sheriff's department in 2008 found that 78 percent of false claims fit the definition of an "aggravated rape" — the accusers claimed the attacker had a gun or knife; that there was more than one attacker; or that she was injured…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 08:31 PM
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There's almost no such thing as regretful sex rape claims; it's a leprechaun thrown about in here almost exclusively. This is another unsupportable claim. A nontrivial subset of the rape I've personally encountered or been told about in my life was not carried out through physical force. In a he-said-she-said situation, it's literally impossible to know. Lots of women I know claim that it can be rape if affirmative consent wasn't given, aka being a silent recipient of sex while giving no indicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 07:33 PM
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Whew glad my body and psyche are not ruined /s lolol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 05:37 AM
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How many's a lot? 8-12? 12-24? 24+? I've had sex with... seven women? Done everything but sex with maybe four or five more? Would you say I've slept with a lot of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:47 AM
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Yeah I might take a long break from this sub soon. My relationship is so great. Why the fuck am I bringing myself down with all this bullshit?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:44 AM
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TRP is sad. I'm actually starting to get really depressed from being here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 11:01 PM
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Lol, actually no, I do smoke a good amount though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 10:52 PM
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Picking perfectly is fucking hard, man. My girlfriend totally wanted this with her boyfriend in college (yeah she waited a while and took a long time to pick; he was her first boyfriend, kiss, everything... but they didn't even have sex) and she really tried to make it work. He wasn't a bad guy, but they weren't right for each other. It's fucking hard to get it right the first time! They mutually agreed to separate. Backlash city, mang! What does a girl do once her naive view of relationships ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 06:45 PM
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Bullshit, I've done it before and seen plenty of guys do it. And trust me, I didn't work extremely hard. (I did actually do things, though.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 06:31 PM
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This sub is easily better than both of them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 09:40 AM
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My girlfriend likes that I'm a PhD student. She sees it as some form of intellectual status, I think. She values it, though it wasn't the path she wanted for herself. She also sees it as some form of integrity I think, which would bode well for our long term stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 08:01 AM
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I think women should not be coerced out of experimenting because they were incited to marry early. I think the mistake was made when they got married without being ready to get married. Namely, I don't think a woman who stays in a marriage because she feels like there's no way to get a divorce doesn't experience FOMO: she's just having it suppressed. Which, to me, seems bad/wrong and not great for the long-term happiness of those married. I think that FOMO and too much sex -> pair-bonding are tw…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 07:57 AM
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This is true for all people and for all things (not just sexual ones). But, as a person in a LDR, kissing my girlfriend for the first time in three months hasn't lost its luster. These are not irreversible processes, and the effect really can differ from person to person too. Not only that, simply being young and being in the throes of puberty and the years just following puberty has an effect too. I'll say this too: my first time having sex was good, but far, far, far from the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 07:54 AM
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I really don't think this is an adequate simplification of the matter, even as a simplification. For women it's more accurate given the fact that it's easy to give a generous reading of alpha fux and beta bux. For men, I think you're way off. The temporal aspect is all wrong. I'd reframe it as that men want girls to be wild, opinionated, outgoing, open to new experiences, and enthusiastic in general; while also reserved, dedicated, committed, tactful, sweet, cautious, conscientious, etc. I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 07:49 AM
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Brilliant post
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 07:00 AM
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Yes. But, I'll also call out unfair standards when I see them. Personally, I don't see the need to treat guys and girls differently in this regard. Claiming that women are the only ones whose pair bonding is affected by a high partner count seems unreasonable to me. The null hypothesis should be that men and women are the same in this regard barring overt physiological differences that directly yield some difference in how high partner count affects pair bonding in men vs women. And likewise for…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 06:31 AM
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Nope!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 05:54 AM
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I don't think you have any justification for that claim. Women don't act as a unified body. Demanding marriage before sex could just as easily lead them to get dumped. But you're just gonna say "women are the gatekeepers of sex" or something
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 04:40 AM
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I think /u/cvcv1991 is trolling in particular because they're replying to /u/SirNemesis [with a taste of his own medicine]. But either way you should stop thinking like that. Both men and women are capable of enjoying sex for the physical pleasure and also, separately, knowing when enough is enough and valuing it for the interpersonal connection it can facilitate. Don't let this place make you too jaded, but another fact is that we are visceral beings (yes, all of us) and we all enjoy sex at som…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 04:29 AM
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All those men reject the notion that sex is to be reserved for your someone you value, to facilitate an emotional connection with them. Who disregards that for the sake of chasing little bits of physical pleasure? And it's culturally accepted, while women who do the same thing are labeled sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 04:27 AM
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You're my bae right now
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 04:22 AM
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*whoosh*
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 04:21 AM
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For men, the end goal is sex. For women, the end goal is commitment. *smouldering rage*
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 06:10 AM
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Both are problems. But so far as /u/SirNemesis is concerned, he consents.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 06:03 AM
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If you want this effect without taking LSD my best advice is to spend an extended period of time in nature by yourself or with a very small number of other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 09:43 PM
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That's the problem. Chances are, the woman won't have a say and probably won't get the chance to effectively express as much either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 09:42 PM
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When you're on LSD your preconceptions about things are more or less totally stripped away. You have a fresh, sometimes confused perspective. You appreciate very simple things and may find some realities about society/life startling. You may find yourself not "wanting" or "needing" anything, but feeling some odd pull to "want" or "need" anyway sometimes this need dissolves and you are very at peace, and other times you feel very convicted or inspire to action as a result. In the worst case you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 09:26 PM
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These things are comparable to or better than sex for me. They are better than shitty sex and fluctuate around ideal sex in quality. discovering/analyzing something (academic topics, philosophical shit, events/occurrences and what they mean), ideally with someone you like a lot who you think has interesting thoughts figuring out my shit finding and listening to really good music (or writing/playing it), or attending awesome concerts extremely good art in other forms (books, comics, less often tv…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 09:07 PM
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Yes, but since I already agreed it is unjust to discriminate between people with virtually zero biological differences like black and white people, what's your point? Maybe it's not a biological difference but a cultural difference. Black people grow up in a culture that desensitizes them to violence, so their crimes tend to be more severe and violent. *cough* don't you see? There's no good reason that for the same crime, women receive a lower sentence, statistically speaking. No good reason! An…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 08:29 AM
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So you're saying that women suck at choosing mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 07:37 AM
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I'm fervently anti-ageist so I don't necessarily think it's right to say that no 18 year old could make a good partner to a perhaps much older man in terms of the companionship she might offer or her maturity. Obviously it's less likely that she would than some woman around his age would, but it's certainly not impossible. Though, I don't think that's the point. I'm pretty sure /u/SirNemesis intends to judge women entirely based on how physically attracted to them he is, which he's projecting as…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 07:36 AM
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Women have autonomy and volition (like men). Things do not. Women can make choices; things cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 07:30 AM
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Holy shit, it's like there's no red carpet upon which to walk through life!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 11:26 PM
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Beside the fact that I think your premise is a bit too black-and-white, I don't think looks or physical attractiveness are set in stone very much. Health, exercise, proper hygiene and skin care, attire (this one is probably the the most underappreciated difference), makeup, hairstyle, sleep habits, and more can affect looks dramatically. Also, behaviors matter too: eye contact, upbeat and warm mannerisms, and conversational ability can, in my experience, actually affect physical appearance. Both…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 06:29 PM
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Lol. My dad used to take my mom to the movie theater where his brother worked. Free tickets baby! He also had to start his car from the hood.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 06:20 PM
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OMG I feel bad for you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 06:18 PM
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Somewhere between ENTP and ENFP
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 10:39 PM
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Hey like me! Sorta! <3
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 10:18 PM
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I've successfully dread gamed other girls before.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 10:26 PM
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No I don't understand why someone would want something worse than what I have (e.g. AWALT-esque girls), when what I have is quite achievable. Also I haven't had outrageous levels of success. A few hookups and a few LTRs, one of which I'm in now for the long haul. I've had my periods without sex for months, close to a year in a few cases. Didn't bother me all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 08:23 PM
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OKay that's cool. I prioritize putting my effort elsewhere, besides attaining the ability to bone whenever I want, which is not that huge a priority for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 07:34 PM
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Personally as a pretty nonstandard guy I'm not into girls whose personalities are hyper shallow or who irritate me. Mostly cuz I don't need to be. I'm not sure what I'd do if I had no romantic success with girls whose personalities I do like. I'm still not sure I understand why all these redpill guys want to bone 24/7. Is it really that great?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 07:21 PM
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There are so many AWALT statements that surely most girls will fall under one or two of them. It's like astrology: if you read a random highly general predictive phrase once a day for a week, one of them will end up being true by chance alone. Just like AWALT: of the many, many characteristics listed as AWALT, it's more likely for a girl to have one of them by random chance (or for whatever reason) than it is for her to have none of them. So yes, it's unreasonable to rule out all women just beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 07:18 PM
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Huh. My girlfriend has a few rare AWALT tendencies. But I've had much more success at pointing them out to her and walking through with her why they're unreasonable than I have using bullshit like dread game. She's much more receptive to this and enjoys the analysis and self-improvement aspects of being with me. (As I do with her.) I did a little test where I did the most subtle dread game on her I could. She immediately called me out on it and told me not to play games with her because she's qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 07:14 PM
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I think you missed a lot of sarcasm in my post
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 11:52 PM
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(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ I'm done with reddit for today
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 09:01 PM
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Lol. Yeah, though I've never faced much of that. I'm essentially married (committed relationship where we've both expressed the interest to each other that we want to be life partners) and I'm in my mid-20s, as I was when I made this decision. I felt like I had plenty of time to explore. Now I'm ready to develop a serious relationship with this one individual who I like a lot. I may not have realized how much I liked her had I not had some of my past relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 08:40 PM
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What does "bad" mean? im not part of your religion but id like to learn & I am not trying to TRICK you, im trying to UNDERSTAND you sigh directly asking what "bad" means isnt "loaded" in any possible sense of the word, its as bare and direct as a question can be I'm trying to answer this question. All I've been trying to do is answer this question. If you understood what "bad" meant ("at no point did I not understand that"), why did you ask /u/CursedLemon over and over what they meant by it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 08:27 PM
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First, you dismissed my analogy. Second, let me explain why I think yours isn't that great for this particular relation. Wouldn't yours be analogous to the wife filing for divorce and then having sex with the other person? Problem with business contracts is that they do not contain exclusivity or, necessarily, investment. Cheating on someone is like using money from your investors, intended for that business, to buy yourself a car. Which I'm pretty sure I find immoral (it may be illegal too, I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 08:24 PM
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Sure. This is the notion of morality that a lot of these people abide by, which explains why they think that facilitating cheating is immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 08:18 PM
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You're talking shit on a group of people that she is part of. If you can't say it to her face, why would you say it somewhere else? Because it's not true and abrasive so it's hard for her to disentangle the tone/statement from what you actually believe? Then, OK. IF it's because you believe you're telling the truth and just don't want her to hear it? Erm, why would you believe it then? Or, why can't she hear it? So that you can work it out with her? (Or, do you think she can't handle the truths …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 08:09 PM
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Frankly I don't derive any pleasure from locker room talk and don't understand why other people do. Jokes about men/women can be funny, but not all jokes are locker room talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 07:52 PM
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You're contradicting yourself. Either you are saying untrue shit that your partner shouldn't take seriously even if they were there but it's just hard for them to do that because of the abrasiveness with which the untrue shit is said (or it's hard to not take it as something you actually mean, hard to have faith that you also acknowledge that what you're saying is actually untrue), OR, it's true, and even if it's said harshly, it merits criticism. Can't have both, brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 07:49 PM
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Right. So hopefully now you "understand" morality better. We just have different premises, namely, that we want to treat all people like real, living entities with autonomy and volition and feelings and, well, everything that we have -- and you, seemingly, don't. Taking our premise results in this brand of morality and this definition of "badness" and results in us finding people who facilitate cheating immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 07:13 PM
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Dating =/= fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 07:08 PM
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Largely I agree with you but standard deviation matters too. RPers would argue that women's standard deviation of partners is a lot larger even if the averages are about the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 07:07 PM
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=0 I love this! Though it's not super fit in tone for PPD heheh. As women we have to use our greater emotional understanding to guide them into actually analyzing their emotional responses and accepting responsibility for their own internal reactions instead of blaming them on other people. LOL let me be the first so ay that I've actually experienced this myself, as a man, in my relationship. One big thing my girlfriend has done for me is help me be less reactionary against her when I don't even…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 07:06 PM
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It's not impossible, but I certainly enjoyed sleeping with and dating a few different girls, for the sake of experience. I really like new experiences, and having multiple interactions of this sort with different people helped me figure out what I actually want or like, what works for me and what doesn't, and how my personality lines up with other people's. It's not necessary, but IMO it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 06:59 PM
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You're a better man than him? Doesn't that require some kind of... moral judgment?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 06:46 PM
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I didn't intend to kill you, I just launched off some fireworks at your door because I happened to not give a fuck where I was pointing them, and they hit you in the face on your way out. I didn't harm you, you could have left some other time or looked out the door. Actually, the rocket harmed you, I only happened to be the one to launch it. When we create environments that make it easier for people to be hurt, we contribute to the immorality of the world around us. What about a married girl who…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 06:45 PM
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I like the Kantian notion of "bad" -- an action is bad if it cannot be willed a universal law. Hence, cheating is bad because if everyone cheated, your wife would cheat on you and presumably that's something you don't want. So, bad outcomes are outcomes where, if in all situations that could lead to that outcome did lead to that outcome, some condition you would like to be held isn't, e.g. in this case, "I don't want my wife to cheat on me." The big problem here is this: Let's get it clear. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 06:27 PM
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I have already suggested that TRPers are, apparently, not IN romantic love. Still not sure what the problem is with that assertion. I'd say, they don't conform to your conception of romantic love. But then again most people probably don't, or at least, not most people outside of a fairly specific group. My point here is that they might see what they have as romantic love, or as romantic love not existing, while simultaneously not seeing what you have as romantic love. I think your definition is …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 09:50 PM
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I could critique your whole post too, but instead I'll point out just a few bits of it. First, the alpha differential, if I'm reading it correctly, is just the amount more by which another man must be alpha than you for her to cheat on you. I agree, strong psychological/emotional attachment and perceived value mitigates the chance of her cheating on you with a superficially attractive guy. The higher the differential the better, as it simply indicates she's more committed to you. My point is tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 09:46 PM
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fulfills you completely What constitutes "fulfilling you completely" is different for different people. For some people, it's less about some highly precise notion of compatibility and more about good sexual interaction and receiving their words/actions that indicate dedication/commitment. Perhaps many people, in the right circumstances, could provide that for them, so to them, it's not really worthwhile to frame it as "romantic love" or something. I also take issue with the notion of "completel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 09:26 PM
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Shit son. Don't try and "hardcore red" me. Better men than you have tried. Haha. I'm only responding to what you've said, dude. I'm not trying to one up you. I'm just happier to ensure all the horniness is directed at me. I think we only disagree semantically. My point is that you can never actually ensure this. You can only make the probability very low that it will happen. Ultimately I haven't given up on the notion that I can make my girlfriend far less interested in other men than me, e.g. t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 09:22 PM
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No? Why are you getting so mad about this? I know that you're trying to describe this, but what you're saying is no more helpful for this general argument than what /u/Archwinger or any other RPer has said: that their characterization of what qualifies as a romantic relation is different, involves sex, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 09:15 PM
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Secondly, I love my sister. She does not "complete me". She is not the yin to my yang. She does not complement my personality in a fulfilling way, and she does not (necessarily) help me grow as a person. But frankly, if I have to explain this to you, there is absolutely no point in us talking about it. You're just describing what you like in a partner. Some of my friends complement my personality in a fulfilling way. My brothers have helped me grow as a person -- we supported each other when we …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 09:12 PM
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She's getting out of him what she wants and what she can, but obviously doesn't give a fuck about him in the long term either. E.g. exactly what TRP advocates for guys to do to girls that they don't want to LTR with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 09:08 PM
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He was just pointing out the voting bias, which is definitely present
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 09:02 PM
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Yeah I was using the two sides of the story not to imply that men only want sex and women only want emotional connection, but because it was simpler to explain my thoughts by crystallizing it that way. So yeah I think we totally agree. The contentious aspect of my point of view is that although it's not a woman's fault per se if she doesn't consent to something but it happens to her anyway without her resisting, that IMO she should still, for her personal well-being and inner strength, strive to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 08:58 PM
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Well the question is this: do you think romantic love is a unique feeling or not? I claim that romantic love is made from the same building blocks that other interpersonal relations (trying to avoid the word "relationships" for the sake of genericity) are made of, and hence, romantic love is not actually a unique feeling, but a label that people choose to give out simply when they want or decide to. Do you disagree? I feel like I agree with /u/Archwinger more than I agree with you, but you seem …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 08:50 PM
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she doesn't feel any desire for another man at all Ha! And you claim you've swallowed the red pill! Welcome to "unachievable goal #29543503". "Nice to meet you" it says, extending its scrawny wrist and bony hand. People like sex. Your woman is going to feel sexual pulls, maybe not for specific men, but in general. If she's horny and you're not there, guess what, there's the chance that these radiating waves of horniness will detect someone else. I'd rather hear about it and redirect those waves …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 08:37 PM
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I love my siblings for different reasons and in a different manner than I would love my significant other. I do not understand how this makes no sense to the people responding to this topic. Can you explain this precisely? I'm not sexually attracted to my siblings, but I enjoy interacting with them. Probably not enough to get married to them if they were the gender I'm attracted to though... I am close to them emotionally because I grew up with them and we have shared experiences, not because we…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 08:31 PM
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Great! But I don't think TRP fully acknowledges this. When looking for an LTR, I think they disregard some selection factors that are very important, such as self-control/restraint, foresight, accurate risk evaluation and informed decisionmaking, alignment of your priorities with theirs, honesty (or inability to lie believably... the "desire to share everything"), etc. It's no wonder to me that when TRP selects solely based on sexual factors that they end up with women with a very broad array of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 08:15 PM
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I've never felt romantic love for another, either. But I'm pretty damn certain that it is a little bit different than the way I love my siblings, or the way I feel about my hockey buddies, or the various female friends I've had sex with. I mean, it can be different in intensity or in the exact combination of those aspects, but is it categorically different or unique in the sense that it contains some first-principles feeling/emotion that the others don't have? Or would you just perceive it as di…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 08:10 PM
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Yes. Like all of them do. Just as all the men do too. This is reductivist and a false dichotomy. There's a spectrum, and there are people who are better or worse at long-term thinking and planning, stuff that requires foresight and restraint. People have spontaneous thoughts: my girlfriend and I both have stray thoughts of having sex with other people ("what would it be like?"), and I don't feel a need to try to eradicate every instance of stuff like that. Instead, we have to develop a resilienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 08:03 PM
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I guess where I fundamentally disagree with TRP is that, even if I personally can satisfy myself in those ways, I would still like my significant other to contribute to them uniquely. I think that with a significant other, one can push their intellectual/emotional/spiritual satisfaction higher, beyond simple satisfaction and into a more interesting space. Just like with sex: frankly, I could get by just jerking off for the rest of my life, but obviously, actual sex raises that satisfaction well …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 07:55 PM
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I've never felt romantic love that differed categorically from a combination of very close friendship/attachment, intimacy/sex, and natural coexistence. Am I autistic or something to you? I'm perfectly satisfied with these things and have developed a strong emotional bond with my significant other. Do you validate my perspective that romantic love isn't a real thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 07:52 PM
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What you claim is true: sex is not the defining characteristic of a relationship. Although, there isn't any real defining characteristic. Actually, there's no such inherent thing as a "relationship". The only concrete notion of a relationship is the decision made by both parties to be together. Really, it's just a cocktail of friendship and sex and other less concrete forms of compatibility: the willingness to spend more time together than you might or would with other people. I think, if any on…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 07:46 PM
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Both sexes need to learn to stand up for themselves. Men need to learn to not let women use them as emotional crutches, and women need to learn to not let men use them as fucktoys. It's hard sometimes, and more complicated than pop culture gives credit to it. Often one cares about another, and doesn't have the heart, will, self-respect, or strength to set boundaries or contradict the other person. Often these come in the form of implicit consent (not just in a sexual sense): one party started do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 07:42 PM
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First, I'm not redpill. I have been pretty clear about that. OK. I don't keep tabs on people and you got no flair, and you give the impression of being redpilly. Second, your body doesn't care what you think your goals are. Eh? What does my or anyone's body have to do with this? Everyone's got different goals, but they're all finite and none of them are really justifiable. I don't do what my body spontaneously tells me to because I have self control. Now it's my turn: I'm not sure what the point…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 07:31 PM
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Whoops, my second quote was supposed to be your most recent comment: The end goal has been dictated to me. To turn into dust. There is absolutely nothing I can do about it. And, my point is this: I don't get why you're posing an "if" in your first quote, because regardless of whether or not you "choose not to participate", you will still disappear into dust.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 07:30 PM
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Fairly accurate summary of the state of affairs, in my opinion. Count me as a purple piller who has had a similar experience to you. Lots of guys who end up in stable relationships never dipped too deeply into the hookup scene. It's no mystery why: they were never interested in sex for the sake of sex to the extent that they'd actively shape themselves to be successful at it. But, they had fine success in longer term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 04:24 AM
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The dread of being alone because you are ugly & unlucky, is pale in contrast to being alone because you are ugly, unlucky and also incompetent. Says you. Who's to say person A or person B gives a fuck about being incompetent? Why must you insist on attempting to bury others with your concerns? No only is it proof that I am desirable, but that I am also charming and pleasant to be with on top of the fact that it demonstrate that I can navigate the more primordial aspects of human interactions. We…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 01:34 AM
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There are no goals with life. And you claim to have taken the red pill! HAHA!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 01:26 AM
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Probably finitely. And, even then, who cares? You won't be around to see it. No reason to push your unjustifiable notion of life's meaning onto others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 01:26 AM
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If you overcome your animal instincts and choose not to participate, you disappear into dust one day. But you already said: If you overcome your animal instincts and choose not to participate, you disappear into dust one day. As if there's an alternative... but there's not. No matter what choices you make, you will disappear into dust one day. Maybe some other person with some of your genes will live on, but probably eventually humanity will be extinguished at some point regardless. Why prolong …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 01:25 AM
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Mm yum yum Korean boys
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 12:44 AM
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I'm not sure how your post disagrees with mine at all (did you reply to the right person?) but I mostly agree with you. Different situations require different things, and very little if anything can be applied universally. But TRPers still select for the wrong things too much of the time IMO with no room for compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 04:48 AM
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Lose the weight man, you'll be happy you did
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 07:09 PM
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It shocks me how hard this is for TRPers to understand. They select for attractiveness and for how easy it is to deceive them. Then they wonder why they got girls who only care about the superficial stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 01:44 PM
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Isn't it convenient how God's moral compass just seems to align with your own really nicely?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 07:12 AM
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I'd praise you for having a good attitude toward life but really this should be expected of everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 04:28 AM
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It's super funny
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 04:26 AM
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I'd rather a girl cheat on me by having meaningless physical interactions with other guys than by growing emotionally or interactively sour with me, or by developing an emotional attachment to another man/woman. If my relationship is unaffected and it's not systematically happening, I don't much give a fuck. So my criteria are a lot more along the lines of "find a woman you're actually compatible with and who has an understanding of what commitment really is, at a deeper-than-physical level, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 10:53 PM
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The reason I clarified about when consent can be revoked is for the 2b case. If you say "no" softly while your balls-tripping boyfriend is fucking you, he might not have heard you (though a sober person would have) or processed what you said. Under almost all circumstances, consent can always be straightforwardly revoked. The exceptions are when both parties are very intoxicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 07:51 PM
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There are two variables: pre-drug consent and intoxication comparability. These are assuming that there are no other complicating circumstances (e.g. you fucked her while she was sleeping or something). she didn't consent before doing drugs (of any sort) a. she was on the drugs and you weren't: rape unless she initiates or requests that you do so (e.g. clear affirmative consent) b. both of you were on the drugs: straightforward consent can be given before doing drugs, she provided future consent…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 07:32 PM
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I have more faith in women to acknowledge their enjoyment of "alpha cock" while single and not expressly looking for a serious relationship, vs being in a serious relationship and consciously choosing to not pursue that form of enjoyment for the sake of the relationship. I mean, that's what I do: I'd love to tap the finest ass possible while single and casually perusing my options, but when I'm in a relationship, I can easily control that sort of desire, because I'm getting much more than that b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 07:11 PM
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but does it make you a rapist if she decides she regrets it later Only if she decides she regrets it during it and tells you to stop and you don't. A no carries over until you get a yes. A yes carries over until the implied timeframe ends. If a girl says she'll sleep with you later that night, you can't fuck her while she's passed out next weekend and expect her to not call it rape (since that's what it is). A girl who says "I'll let you get me drunk" is not implying she'll have sex with you whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 07:05 PM
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The ideal count for my woman would be as close to mine as possible, or maybe slightly below. Not the lower the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 06:04 PM
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Those refer to sex not gender
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 11:41 PM
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My personal understanding is that you are transgender if you are of one biological sex but conform more towards the social norms ascribed to the other biological sex. So, it's not essentialism in the sense that those norms are still not necessarily essential. Transgenderism is just a way of saying "I'm a [insert gender here], but would like to be treated the way [other gender] is treated by society."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 09:32 PM
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Nice retort. You're only doing yourself a disservice if you indulge every sexual impulse you have. Grow the fuck up, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 01:15 AM
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Not necessarily, but I think often the two end up going hand-in-hand even though they don't need to. But based on the way cherryblue12 phrased her comment I'm assuming that's what happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 01:14 AM
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Since most people aren't, let me be blunt: they can, and TRP is wrong. Yes, it's awkward if one or both parties wants it to become sexual, but it's still possible. There is such a thing as self control and the friendship can still be fulfilled even if sex doesn't happen though both people feel some desire for it. I'm friends with a bunch of my ex girlfriends and girls I've hooked up with. My girlfriend doesn't care because she knows that I'm not the kind of guy who just pursues sex with the firs…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 11:36 PM
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No, because he decided he was willing to give up respect for women to further this goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 11:29 PM
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Hey buddy fuck off. I play super smash brothers competitively and my girlfriend thinks it's cooooooooooooooooooool
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 08:16 PM
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Post the interview
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 04:18 AM
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Sure but you didn't answer the question as intended, though you literally provided a fantasy on the subject of rape. I think that clearly the question was about fantasies where you either rape someone or are raped, not fantasies about punishing criminals who were involved in a rape in which you were not involved. So while you're not joking I think you subverted the intended question a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 08:53 PM
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I think that, when this actually happens (e.g. the guy doesn't just think he's nicer but is actually somewhat bitter, or the "asshole" isn't actually an asshole, just a guy who has an opinion and is willing to stand up for himself), it's because the asshole has learned to trick the girl into thinking he's nice while maintaining his aggressiveness, and the nice guy may actually be nice but just hasn't asserted himself enough for girls to take interest in him. If you're nice but never approach gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 08:50 PM
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I'm sorry that the tone of this discussion is so gross (I find it to be that way too) but you should take some solace in the fact that almost all the people in this thread who have responded to the OP are joking or being sarcastic in some form or another. Except for /u/YerriPulka, whose response I find very disturbing. Personally I prefer enthusiastic consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 08:15 PM
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You have to level up or find a new attack equip, that +8 armor isn't going to be easy to...er...penetrate
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 05:16 PM
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LOL my girlfriend doesn't wear makeup hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:07 PM
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Oh there are plenty such women out there. Chin up brother
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:02 AM
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Life is meaningless, do what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 04:32 AM
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Sure. I don't care to limit the pool of women I would consider for a relationship in this way, since historically other indicators have been just fine at weeding out ones that would not be faithful in a relationship. My current girlfriend who I'm LTR and LDRing with has had about eight sex partners, same as me, and there have been no commitment issues for either of us beyond what is normal for people who can't be in the same physical place. Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe there are other indicators be…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 09:04 PM
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If we agree, then I would want to say that you agree with the OP and their complaint about TRP. I think any further dissection of this topic between us would boil down to analyzing the meaning of manipulation very carefully and categorizing what does and does not count as manipulation. We could probably do this satisfyingly and it might actually be quite useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:42 PM
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Correlation is not causation
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:38 PM
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My attitude is that if I open up to a woman to take our commitment further and she uses it against me later, she's not for me. Although, this has never been a problem for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 07:26 PM
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It does take bravery to trust someone in that way, but that doesn't mean it's a virtue to throw around or be particularly proud of. No, but making it your goal to find someone with whom you can have trust and emotional openness as opposed to being satisfied with a shallow but superficially acceptable relationship means you have loftier goals. I'm not going to settle for a girl who provides me with nothing but kindness, sex, and I guess stability. I have higher aims than that in my life because I…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 07:21 PM
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By not wanting to sleep with them you are basically telling them "you are not a man" More accurate is to say "I don't see you in a sexual light." Truthfully, this isn't an insult, no matter what the man who she won't sleep with thinks. Intent here doesn't matter in the sense that the man still isn't getting what would indicate to him that she values him, but it does matter in understanding the interaction more accurately. To me the adage that a man would fuck any attractive woman if given the ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 06:54 AM
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I guess it depends now on the definition of slut. I think there are plenty of girls who would sleep around when single but have no issue being faithful in a relationship they wanted to be in. To me these girls can still be construed traditionally as "sluts" but I don't necessarily see them as high risk (maybe negligibly higher risk than if they weren't, but still not high enough to factor into my decisionmaking about marrying them e.g.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 06:43 AM
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Does being a slut preclude being high value in other ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 06:20 AM
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Your opinion is valid and reasonable, but men don't have to see value the same way you do The point I'm trying to make is that I don't value them less just because I don't want to sleep with them. (bold mine) That's all fine and good, but they may not care how you value them. Like others have said, they're mostly going to apply their conception of value to your actions. Sad but true, most people don't care to value your actions the same way you intend them, unless they have some very good reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 04:14 AM
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but I haven't seen any LTR work well that doesn't involve cooperative reciprocity, so I doubt that that is what RP is really advocating It's hard to justify arguing with someone who uses logic like "the philosophy I support would never advocate for something that doesn't work!"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 04:14 PM
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Dude... plenty of men have sex with women who have had lots of sex. It sure wouldn't stop me. Granted I'm not actually in a place where I'd go for a random hookup in the first place, but hypothetically.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 03:53 PM
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I'm not sure how your post has anything to do with mine. All i'm suggesting is that TRP advocates not talking about TRP, and also for foregoing openness/honesty in favor of tactics that are intended to get the dude the pussy he desires in the form he desires it. Analogously, is this really the type of man that deserves a wife in the first place? IMO it's raw, selfish pragmatism to disregard your woman's wishes or emotions in favor of your own interest in fucking her and leading the exact kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 08:03 AM
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If a woman is willing to put raw, selfish pragmatism ahead of the concept of openness and honesty with the man who is committing his life to her, then I'd posit that she is the type of woman who doesn't deserve a husband in the first place. Is this not exactly what TRP suggests that men do?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 03:34 AM
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Given that at least as many young men (43% for sexual experiences, 20% for rape) report being forced or coerced or pressured into sexual activity when they don't want to (and that 95% of the perpetrators are female acquaintances), you might want to consider what your quote ACTUALLY reflects. and There's plenty of evidence out there that men who take advantage of women (in the criminal sense) are a small percentage of all men who do it over and over, and that the women who do this to men are more…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 12:59 AM
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/u/TheGreasyPole: here to make the points I would have made, so I don't have to. Thanks bro
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 12:18 AM
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I'll take the 10 orgasms a month and add to it as many perfectly acceptable jerking off sessions as I want!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 11:52 PM
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And yet women--yes, women--have allowed a narrative to become entrenched in all our systems and institutions that males favor other males at the expense of females. That somehow, there is a "team men" that has been oppressing, subjugating and subordinating women since the dawn of human history. I agree with most of your post, but isn't this a classic misinterpretation of the feminist narrative? Academic feminists tend not to claim that there are men who are actively conspiring against women, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 11:22 PM
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us serious posters Hilarious. Don't flatter yourself. I think Karen is a goddamn genius, even if I don't always agree with her ideas. The fact that she can hold reasonable debates and make contrary points to many different factions speaks to that. Telling RPers that they're hypocrites for valuing what she has to say is... not contributing to the larger discussion here. Thanks for bringing her post to my awareness though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 11:00 PM
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Okay. Not sure why you're debating BPers at all, then. (Just for fun?) One would think you'd appreciate better PR just so you don't have to listen to them. Am I missing something?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 09:06 PM
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Sweet man, that sounds like a blast... Wouldn't mind an invite myself cough cough Our biggest difference lies here: I want women to have sex with but not to share my life with I definitely want to share my life with the women I end up with and have sex with, and I'm not overly hung up on how many women that is but one steady one sounds like plenty to me. I think this difference creates a lot of implicit complications in how RP and BP understand each other. Presumably it seems like you want amica…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 08:29 PM
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Can you talk a bit more specifically about your goals? Thanks for the reply!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:49 PM
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Congrats bro! I know it's astronomically cliche, but do be yourself, even if yourself is a bit shy. Try to just relax and have a good time; don't get too caught up in meta-analyzing the date while it's happening, just have a good time in whatever way pans out. I hope it goes well! (:
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:47 PM
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They both fall prey to the classic groupthink pitfall: blanket stereotyping anyone who doesn't agree with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:41 PM
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(boys have love holes too you know) Hell yes they do ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 05:27 PM
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You're strawmanning him, but granted his post was super imprecise and inflammatory. You can be NOT a human being who lowers themselves to an unthinking, externally controlled robot without being a pregnant woman or mother with infant children [striking] out into the wilderness alone A portion of his point I do agree with. I want a woman who is my equal in a relationship: I don't deny respect to other women, but I'm not interested in dating them. When I pay for too many things in a row out with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 05:24 PM
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Terrible and disgusting. Honestly, comparing this to the average TRPer, it's worse. I'd say it's comparable to the extreme TRPers. Women like this are part of the reason why we can't have nice things in our social arenas
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 08:16 PM
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I take issue with your use of the word "almost."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 08:14 PM
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As soon as a woman asks me to buy her shit and won't split the cost of expenses when we go out, I'm fucking done with her. It's very, very simple to avoid women like this. Equal money should go into the relationship from both parties. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 08:13 PM
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This CMV was inspired by this comment I read: For a woman, there will always be one person who is the most alpha she's ever had. The highest value man she's ever been with. Unless that man is you, she's going to be what TRP calls an 'alpha widow', where she's always, in the back of her mind, got the thought that "I can get someone better than this guy, because I have had one in the past" - even if it's no longer true, because she's older now, or because she could only get a ONS with that alpha. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 08:05 PM
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Dude what do you expect? They're women, ergo they're awful whores. Having faith in them to be classy was your first mistake AWALT blah blah blah
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 06:31 PM
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The trick is to find a girl who acknowledges that her actions and words don't always align. Because that's a sign of honesty and self-awareness. And to admit that your own actions and words don't always align either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 12:14 AM
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A-fucking-men. Sex is fun, but who wants to fuck someone who's manipulating you? I'd rather jerk off on my own terms, lol!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 11:30 PM
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feminism: the radical belief that women are people too -- even in their failures!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 11:29 PM
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People aren't static either, they make mistakes and grow over time. If I broke up with my girlfriend every time she did something slightly not-so-nice I might be bitter about my situation too. If she did the same for me I'd feel like a failure. Sorry for the sappiness, but forgiveness is important. And knowing how to moderate trust. If you don't know someone well enough to tell if they have the potential to really fuck you over, don't get so close to them until you can trust them more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 11:27 PM
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Would you like me to send you tens of thousands of lines of chat dialogues and hours of phone conversations that you can read and listen to, to convince yourself that I'm not bullshitting you (which I don't see why I would do that in the first place)? Here's the thing: no matter what evidence I have, YOU WON'T ACCEPT IT. You have convinced yourself about this and any man or woman that comes around and claims that there is a loyal, empathetic woman who exists you will deny. So why the fuck are yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 11:05 PM
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It's not necessarily bigotry but it likely is. Just read what this TRPer has to say: http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/34k13r/cmv_its_not_female_nature_its_human_nature/cqvgkzw He's justifying the difference in love between men and women by saying that women are unlovable in a rational sense yet men will love them anyway, versus men being rationally lovable. That's bigotry if I've ever heard it. But at the very least, there's an implied dissimilar treatment of the genders in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 11:01 PM
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Yes. Because you're saying this in response to an absolute statement, all that's necessary is a single counterexample for it to be proven wrong. My girlfriend is loyal and empathetic to me: if you want I can paste chat logs where we have spent hours making plans to visit each other, where I talk about my problems and she makes a concerted effort to understand them and relate them to her own problems and internalize them and feel them as I do so that she can support me in them, and to intertwine …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 10:49 PM
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It's just so strange to you that a man could question his obligations to be of full and selfless service to women. Nope! I'm not of full and selfless service to my girlfriend, and neither was I to any of the girlfriends I was in very successful relationships with in the past. I had nice balanced relationships that I enjoyed greatly and that were ended mutually by both parties. I also have not hesitated to tell men who have asked me for advice about their relationships that they were being taken …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 10:44 PM
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No. Simply put, you are very, very wrong. Single parent homes struggle in general, and your definitions of things like "harder" and "convenient" are totally subjective and bullshit. And of course you're unwilling to consider the possibility that oppression of women, unequal treatment by the law, and other historic societal factors (including the norm that women raise children as well as the biological fact that women carry and give birth to children) might have an effect on the type of jobs and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 10:41 PM
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Anything more you have to tell me about myself? I'm pretty sure I know what my own attitude toward women is. Get a grip -- you're the one who sounds like you're in denial. Does it comfort you to trick yourself into believing that women are big fat meanies and that you're disenfranchised in comparison?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 10:32 PM
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I respectfully disagree. I don't see people telling women this. If they do, it's not justified. My friends who are girls do not cheat on their boyfriends, and studies that many others have posted show that men are more likely to cheat in long term relationships and marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 10:23 PM
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yeah and it's total bullshit because it's based on nothing but sheer bigotry. anything else you'd like to imprecisely state without justifying?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 10:21 PM
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*fans self* it's getting steamy in here with all of this truth-talking the TRP beliefs about women being practical about relationships/love and men being romantic about relationships/love are outrageously wrong. they're so wrong i don't even know where to begin with arguing against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 10:19 PM
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Women aren't useful and on higher speculation just aren't worth it. This is an outrageous and absolutely indefensible statement. The difference in utility between men and women on average is negligible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 10:13 PM
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It's not the norm for women either
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 10:12 PM
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You're missing some important points in your breakdown: different people are compatible with different people. just because some group of men wouldn't commit to a girl doesn't mean another man shouldn't. plenty of my friends are married to girls I would never date, but are perfectly happy. I don't think that those girls have low value just because I'm not compatible with them. For example, my girlfriend is pretty nerdy, and lots of guys she casually dated before we got together were more into tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 06:48 PM
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I don't think it's worth arguing with these people. They're either being deliberately obtuse, moving the goalposts, or reading TRP sooooooo so so generously that they'll finagle their way out of anything bad that a normal reading of TRP would suggest. I don't see why it's necessary to provide any more support that their required reading literally tells them "you are entitled to a woman's body." But of course it doesn't stop there. The fact that they read TRP this generously destroys all their cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 05:17 PM
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Are you joking? That's not true at all. If women had a propensity to keep a knife in their dressers and cut of mens' dicks while hooking up with them, I'd say: Because I know too many men who have been hurt by women for doing nothing but giving them trust and the benefit of the doubt. But, it turns out that men are the ones who abuse trust much more often than women do. This has nothing to do with the strength or weakness of men or women. The strongest man in the world could be raped given certa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 01:46 AM
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Look I get that you can take a reading of TRP that isn't rapey or harmful for women at all. But you have to understand that TRP is not a homogeneous mass, and that this fact goes in both directions, e.g. that there are totally socially healthy (by my evaluation) TRPers and also very socially unhealthy TRPers. By my evaluation, TRP contributes to social unhealthiness more than I'd like it to. This is not to say that any individual TRPer, you or anyone else, must be contributing to that problem. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 08:15 PM
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It seems like sex is the problem. In his OP he implies this, but in other posts he explicitly said that she claims she is totally happy with every other aspect of their relationship and that he is the most important person to her. Sounds like she's not into sex right now and doesn't want to compromise. So what, as a guy, do you do in that situation? After trying 99 out of the 100 ways of dealing with the problem, and having the other person try 0 things?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 07:56 PM
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I'm glad you're having fun. So am I, but for different reasons. I like it when people argue in 100% good faith so pardon me for being slightly irritated with your attitude in here. Though, I do enjoy and like some of your posts. I'm not worried about you. I just want to make sure that you realize the disagreement here is superficial and not as conceptual/fundamental as it may seem to the untrained eye. It's true that maybe people are just put off by the offensiveness and thus it's hard to unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 07:54 PM
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Maybe you can ease into more sex slowly? Like ask her if she can let you know if she's ever feeling any sex drive, or maybe aim for sex once a week or even less frequently, if you promise to avoid initiating it at other times? Do you masturbate, and does she care if you do? Have you opened up the possibility of her letting you have sexual relationships with other people? How unhappy are you unhappy with just masturbating all the time? Sorry if this is just rehashing the same shit you've already …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 07:48 PM
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I think that TRP strategies for getting their dicks wet involve putting women in situations where their words and actions are not valued and where they are pressured to do things they might not want to do. I've talked with people before about what it means to be "entitled to a woman's body" and even if you finagle your interpretation of that statement, I don't think it's a healthy statement to make -- it's too easy to misinterpret (e.g. if you interpret it literally even) and I think it creates …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 07:38 PM
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Dude, the issue is really simple here. You're talking to a bunch of people who condemn the whole of TRP for its worst parts, and who think they can get the equivalent of the good parts from a less morally-inconsistent source. You yourself are just looking to take what is beneficial to you from a base of literature that has both useful and useless parts. You two are just seeing the same exact content from two different perspectives. This is why prescriptivism is a shit philosophy. To yourself, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 07:31 PM
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Can I answer as a BP-leaning purple-piller? I post in TBP but not TRP. I do consider myself a feminist. Why? Because I do believe that women are treated unfairly in society. Because I know too many women who have been hurt by men for doing nothing but giving them trust and the benefit of the doubt. Because I have seen enough different opinions expressed by women that I see very clearly that they are not a homogeneous mass that can all be treated by the same set of rules. And, because I believe t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 06:38 PM
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Part of me still wants to believe that the blue pill is right, even though everything I know suggests otherwise..... Neither are right. They're just two different theories, neither of which totally conform to reality. I don't think the situation you wrote about above validates the red pill or its methods. I'm sorry you're subject to the seemingly inevitable decrease in sex drive of your wife. I hope you find a solution: perhaps there is one out there. A cursory bit of advice I have is to ask her…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 06:33 PM
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Why are you getting downvoted? What you're doing is a very healthy way of working through your thoughts and feelings. I do the same thing and also find it very helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 06:30 PM
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I write letters to my girlfriend for myself sometimes too. Especially when I catch myself telling her the same thing in different words over and over again and there's simply no purpose in irritating her with it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 06:29 PM
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Did you not read the fucking OP? He's been compromising for 8 straight years.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 06:25 PM
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Your argument is soooooo baaaaaaad. It revolves around telling people that they should do X because that's what they were born to do. What the fuck? the Idea that women experienced nothing but horror oppression and misery for all of human history until the sexual revolution in the 70s of the 20th century is patently ludicrous. One of the hardest, most disingenuous shifting of the goalposts I've ever seen. You're responding to a very specific point about a period and place where sexualizing, more…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 06:11 PM
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Yep, and surprise surprise, the woman in this story ends up with a lot less flexibility over how her life goes and a lot less rich of life experiences. Personally I am not interested in a marriage/life like the one described.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 09:26 PM
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He thinks that because women don't have to practice it then it must come more naturally to them. The hidden assumption is that men and women are naturally interested in manipulating a similar amount, but that in reality women end up manipulating more. So, since in reality men don't manipulate as much as women, they have to practice in order to be as successful at manipulation. The flaws with this assumption are: men don't manipulate naturally women do manipulate naturally women don't practice ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 10:55 PM
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And why should people just automatically act against their own best interests just because someone else wants them to? People should just sacrifice for others because "it's the right thing to do" or something? Sorry, I gave up my aspirations to martyrdom a long time ago. I'm not going to just give up my agency because someone would feel better if I did, sorry. Don't care at all about what your wife wants? Wow, you take the commitment of marriage seriously! This isn't automatically acting against…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 10:45 PM
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Then make yourself attractive and sociable so that you don't have to go out of your way to flirt with other girls to get the results. The actions are different between the two types of dread. Is it that hard for you to see?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 10:07 PM
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The difference is that the kind of dread that TRP endorses and the kind of dread that he endorses are not the same: not only in their intent, but in the actual actions that you take to instill them. One is passive and curtailed, the other is active and extreme. It's not JUST the intent that's different -- the difference in intent is conveyed by the difference in actions between the two types.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 10:06 PM
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Thank you. I am really proud of those posts, they took me a long time to formulate effectively (especially for SRSSuckers to appreciate).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 09:39 PM
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Your post was great. Don't make the naive mistake of giving a fuck if it gets upvoted by person X or person Y, or "as much as it deserves to" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 09:33 PM
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"If all feminists believed that, why would they marry and partner with men?" Because they know they're wrong, or they openly don't believe the overarching feminist belief in the first place. I dunno, why do redpillers and MRAs get into LTRs? Because they know they're wrong, or they openly don't believe the overarching redpill/MRA belief in the first place. Or at least, not right enough. Deep down or subconsciously they realize that each member of the respective gender doesn't abide by the exact …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 08:09 PM
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Good fucking read. The problem is the lack of sensitivity to the subtlety. If a woman says she doesn't consent to sex explicitly, that should be respected even if she doesn't actively resist. This is different from extreme regulations like requiring enthusiastic consent. Most of the feminist rules are just hyperbolic versions of reasonable rules: if a girl is too drunk to interact with you coherently, then don't fuck her. Obviously not the same as the "drop of alcohol" rule. And the above paragr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 07:01 PM
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Never had the chance to hook up with a black woman. Have found a couple attractive, but they weren't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 10:53 PM
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Wait are you being sarcastic? I think you're giving people way too much credit for not being totally retarded. Who the fuck lies about something like whether or not forced sex is okay just because it's part of a study? Keep in mind that the question doesn't include the woman saying "no" or anything...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 10:51 PM
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Personally, no. Every time I want to have sex with a woman, I'd much rather have it be enthusiastic consent than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 08:55 PM
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It's her fault that she was too stupid to realize what was going on. Who gives a fuck? This has nothing to do with whether or not she had a change of heart. If she was stupid before, having a change of heart seems even easier in fact. No thanks I don't want to deal with that slut. Your own loss then. I assume you've been a perfect human being since you've been born? No wonder you're so successful with the ladies. She is rationalizing her feelings in such a manner where she does not blame herself…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:21 PM
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Maybe she's familiar with co-ed friend groups in general. But I think the more important question is, is she familiar with the people she was with? ...didn't hear from her again until 3:00 in the morning. I remember being woken up by a guy's loud voice, and the sound of Gale dropping her things around the room before collapsing into bed. Sounds like the answer is probably no.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:18 PM
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My point is that beards or some form of facial hair, no matter how light, is like makeup for men. Yeah lots of Asian guys can't even pull that off. Check your privilege LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:14 PM
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So she consented, multiple times, to being a blow-up doll. She was being used only for one thing, and didn't have a problem with it. The point is that at first, she didn't realize that's what was going on. She was glad anyone was interested in her. Who wouldn't be? So as she "matured" she realized she shouldn't look for only physically attractive guys because they don't make the best partners. In other words, the asian men she later gets with aren't as physically attractive to her. Noted. But ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:10 PM
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Okay. I stand by my original statement that I think something probably happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:52 PM
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Is she? Does she know the guy who she was back with at 3am in her hotel? We don't know. Because the narrator of the story doesn't know. There are too many variables here. I am not trying to say I'm certain but my guess is that chances are, whether she wanted it to or not, something happened. It's a guess based on the story. Based on the fact that she was pouring enough alcohol into her system to throw up and to have debilitating hangovers, and that she was clearly craving attention from guys. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:50 PM
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But sure, she may not have. I just think most girls with "boyfriends" are more cognizant to deflecting advances. Sigh... I have one very personal counterexample to this and a handful of less personal others. Usually these situations end in sexual assault. It's fucking sad so let me say that while it's cool that you aren't that susceptible to this, in my experience lots of girls are. Especially unhinged ones. Especially ones that lose their volition because they are very drunk, not tipsy, but dru…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:48 PM
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Also, it would help Asian men to grow a beard. Beards save lives. Lots of Asian men literally can't. Also, lots of Asian girls are really not into facial hair on guys. My girlfriend prefers my facial hair a day or two after I shave completely. Any longer and she just finds it icky.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:43 PM
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I know plenty too. I have a Cambodian-American friend who's 5'5'' and regularly dates white girls. Also, go to someplace in Asia with lots of expats. You will see a fairly large and relatively equal number of both white guys with Asian girls and Asian guys with white girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:39 PM
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Cold
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:38 PM
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I'm so proud of you! It's almost like you're not anti-feminism!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:37 PM
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I don't think women who exclusively date men of another race and then later choose to be with a man of her own race can genuinely have a change of heart "I used to date the guys who flirted with me the most who happened to be white guys, but eventually I realized that most of them didn't value me as a person but just saw me as a sex toy." "I used to date the most physically attractive guys who happened to be white guys because on the whole there are more white guys, so the most physically attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:36 PM
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What if she thinks she had a genuine change of heart, but deep down, she's still attracted to the same traits she always was (which, to be honest, isn't that unlikely)? The problem here is with your understanding of attraction I think. I'm always going to be most physically attracted to a certain look, maybe refining a bit here and there, but what I am attracted to in the sense of what I want from a long term relationship could change dramatically. What physically turns me on the most and what I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:29 PM
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I guarantee if you could get most white dudes (or change the race to whatever you like, still applies) to answer honestly most would choose a girl who hasn't slept with someone of another race over one who had all other things being equal. loooooolololololllllolololol!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 03:02 PM
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I would advise staying out of it as well. When he asks you, you can tell him what you know happened without musing too much about her motives or things you didn't see with your own two eyes. Ultimately, he needs to talk to her about it, and if she won't talk about it with him, he can make the decision about what to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 07:53 AM
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Here's a thought. Competition among women is super intense. Women are constantly trying to make themselves as attractive as possible. Competition among men is much weaker. Care about how you look, find the sweet spot between being taking no initiative and being a rapist, and provide interesting/funny conversation? Congratulations, you have surpassed a great deal of the competition. If you can get over rejection, you can have lots of success among a good deal of rejection too. Women who never get…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:41 AM
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Regarding her boyfriend. I seriously doubt she cheated on him. Depends on what you consider cheating. She was insanely drunk and getting lots of attention from guys. I've seen girls with no intention of cheating fall into that situation too many times to underestimate the sexual aggressiveness that lots of guys can have, and the lack of willpower that drunk people (in this case women) can have. I think it's reasonably likely that even if she didn't intentionally cheat on her boyfriend, that some…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:02 AM
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Haha. We live in society. People have obligations. I don't think women and men have very many different ones though...maybe a few
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:51 AM
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I'm sure the majority of men are like this, and rapists will be rapists regardless. This is what I disagree with. I think that either there is too large a minority (or a majority) that are NOT like that, and that need to be somehow controlled if society is to treat the sexes equally. OR, that men are not like this, and could or could not rape, depending on the context, how well they are supported by society, their friends, and their close ones, etc. It is very hard to make a concrete argument fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 12:51 AM
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Here's the thing. It's great that you see this passage in a way that is not literally encouraging people to rape. But the vulnerable, helpless guys that go to TRP to try to get laid more might very well not have the clarity of mind to realize this. The writer of the passage may not have intended it in the way you see it, but could very well believe that me are entitled, in the sense of the word provided above, to the bodies of women. The mere fact that it is feasible for this passage to communic…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 10:51 PM
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I'm confused about what you think is the definition of entitled. To me, the notion of "entitled" here implies that she doesn't have a say in whether or not he can touch it. Do you disagree with this? Why do you think it is okay for a guy to feel entitled to the body of another human being? Because having this belief increases his chance that he will get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 10:48 PM
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Wait what? Where am I saying "boys will be boys"? I was trying to say that I would expect you to disagree with that. Sorry for the confusion. I am just saying that there will still be rapists regardless if you tell people not to rape. The goal is to decrease the number, not necessarily eliminate. It isn't that easy. I agree, it's an idealistic goal that is challenging to even address. You can however take some precautions to make you less prone to be a victim. I think we as a society can take pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 10:58 AM
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If you say you're willing to do the things I'm doing and don't engage in the behavior of the guy in my story, if you agree that the "boys will be boys" logic when it comes to pushing sex on women is bullshit, which you seem to, then you're already doing what I think will, if more join in, have a positive social change. But I think there are lots of guys who might be amenable to this kind of behavior but who don't do it right now, and that they have something to learn from e.g. these particular i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:47 PM
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I do judge against judgmental people! But I don't talk about them behind their backs! If anything I'll tell them I don't like it to their face! I can handle it a little bit. If they start being judgy at least for one solid chunk of conversation, say, every time I talk to them (this is a total bullshit heuristic guess I just made up) I'll start to get annoyed. I will say though that I am fine with analyzing other people, as long as it doesn't get judgy. It shouldn't be about saying "eww this pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:36 PM
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This response spells out exactly why I took so much time and text to tell the story that I did. Do you think that the guys in those situations are premeditated awful rapists? No, they're just weak-willed and aren't thinking about much besides sticking their dick in a vagina -- especially not thinking about the woman. This isn't a matter of "teaching" men to not rape women, unless you take an extremely liberal definition of "teach". I certainly understand the repercussions of such interactions be…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:29 PM
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You're judging feminists by the actions of some. You totally don't get my point. I could use your logic to say "I'm judging 'RPers' by their actions to prey upon vulnerable women. Therefore, as a RPer, you prey on vulnerable women." Learn some statistics. Individuals are but one sample in a large group. They cannot speak for the group. Associations only go so far to describe either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:02 PM
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The point that I tried to make was that it is way more likely for a woman to get beaten, than the probabilty that she will get raped. Not to mention that it is rare to begin with, with that being meant rape. All of these things are bad, and disproportionately happen to women. The idea of feminism is to acknowledge this and to try to find a solution. Even if the current solution(s) suck(s), which you can totally criticize feminism for, the goal is to make it so that fewer people on the whole are …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:59 PM
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Well be prepared for BPers to associate you with rape then, since there are TRPers out there who believe that marital rape does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:28 PM
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And you're not a TRPer unless you pressure woman into sex. Bad argument. You are picking and choosing what a feminist is. Feminists are a heterogeneous group. Someone isn't "not a feminist" simply because they currently believe that women are worse off in society than men on the whole, but that men are worse off in some other ways, and want to correct both.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:27 PM
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I don't think they are a negligible minority. They're not. Just like the nonnegligible minority of rapey TRPers, TERFs present the worst of their respective ideology. I feel like a broken record.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:17 PM
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Bullshit! Both create brain chemical changes. And you're still reading this causally: I think the videogames and the sex are symptoms of estrangement, not causes thereof. Though, since they facilitate it, they may be a tool for solidifying/magnifying it. Women who are emotionally unwell might find an escape in sex. When that stops doing the job, they might move onto drugs or something else that is easier to physically abuse. It's easier to slip into escaping through sex than drugs, because sex s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:13 PM
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It's easy and fun to judge others, so that's what people do. If people do this too much I avoid becoming friends with them. Not a good environment to be in, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:04 PM
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dextro is totally right. There's not much you can do and, although it does reflect well on you that you are so sensitive to how others react to you, ultimately it's her problem for reading way too much into the fact that you guys just happened to run into each other. Although I'll reiterate that due credit should be given to you for having that sensitivity, ultimately it is actually hurting your chances at improving your social/emotional standing because you are letting the worry affect how you …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:01 PM
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I don't like your post because it's too AWALTy for me. Some women are like that and others aren't. I can be friendly with girls I've just met and have them treat me like a normal person well over half of the time. The bitchy ones just stand out more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 06:52 PM
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If that's what you truly believe then great. The issue is when TRPers say shit like "no way in hell I'd be with a woman who's had more than 2 partners" because it says something about her character, or when they start talking about women who have had lots of partners as disgusting, an example of diseased culture, etc. And yes, the consensus of TRPers seems to be this way. My girlfriend had lots of sex when she was single but she's still with me now in a happy, committed relationship. How did tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:02 AM
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Why does everyone think that the discussion here sucks? Maybe it's just the most vocal people, but I think the discussion here is the best place to have this discussion on reddit. And it's a general discussion that does go beyond the more literal rp/bp dichotomy. Maybe the board hasn't improved due to this rule, but an old problem was fixed and a new problem was created. I did see circlejerky threads that happened before that were like "durpadurp RP sucks" and a bunch of RPers in the thread body…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 05:50 AM
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It pretty damn obvious to me what is going on just by who they are being, regardless of what they are doing Bingo. Good people sometimes do bad things. Bad people sometimes do good things. It's about trends. Something that I think is very simple but that people never seem to acknowledge is that the only thing that matters is how the relationship is affected, not what happens in individual istnaces. In fact, the causes are only bad because of the effects. A girlfriend who doesn't care about me an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 05:16 AM
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Well the bottom line is that some things in life you can change and some things you can't. If you cannot change something and that thing is making you depressed, the only real answer is to try to keep it from having that effect on you. In this case, the unchangeable thing is sexual success, or perhaps even success with the opposite sex in general. The problem is that red pill sort of gives guys tools to improve their success, but in the process, through the actions they take to do this, they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:07 PM
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This guy your arguing with is a clown yo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:05 PM
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My girlfriend has previously raised the distinction between relational and transactional sex. I think it is an important distinction to make for sex and also for relationships. Maybe more comments later.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 07:17 PM
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On the contrary I think that women don't have equal social rights by a liberal definition of "equal" since men and women are not at all in the same position in society. I think that there is some social norm that it's okay for men to sexually prey upon women (not rape them, but pressure them, and then say that the woman e.g. "should have known what she was getting herself into" or something). I do think too many women are raped, that there is some disproportion at play, and I am glad that femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:30 PM
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Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 03:33 PM
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I think it is crucial to recognize that there IS a big difference between getting too drunk one night and being preyed upon, slipping up momentarily, stopping the other person, and calling your SO and telling them what happened right away... versus deceiving them over the long term, having multiple affairs with the same person (and maybe also others), and not keeping yourself from emotional connections to these people. There's also a difference between having the motivation of physical pleasure/…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 10:05 PM
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Welcome to the club bro. The only way to be is to get hated on by both sides. Lord knows neither side here will make any concessions. They both get just as mad when I barely disagree with them as when we totally do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 04:33 AM
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Yes, and that's more accurate. I think it would be silly to say that there is no common ground among women, though, and that TRP is totally off-base with everything they suggest about women (just, you know, most things). I am a firm believer that NAWALT, that everyone is different and that every case should be treated individually -- that individuals do not represent groups and vice-versa. So you're right, I shouldn't say that I certainly understand women as a whole better now. (By this logic ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 08:56 PM
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Correct, I didn't. Well, not the shitty parts, anyway. But reading TRP and especially debating on these boards did make me think in different ways about female sexuality, needs that lots of women have, how to make women feel comfortable and appreciated and desired and loved, etc. Things I wouldn't have gotten from feminism, things that are not spelled out explicitly by TRP but that can I arrived at from topics that TRP brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 08:41 PM
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All you're doing is saying "look, the biggest shitheads at TRP are sociopaths, and do awful things to women!" Then, you say, "how dare you fucking point to the biggest shitheads who call themselves feminist as an example!" It seems like it should be more complicated than this, but it seems pretty clear at this point that you're just another variation of the "no true scotsman" fallacy. And I never even disagreed that on average, there are way more respectable feminists than TRPers (proportionally…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 08:31 PM
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I think it's pretty clear you're arguing in bad faith. I didn't "marginalize the self-agency of women," I simply didn't understand them. I don't need to listen to you make assumptions about me from the other side of the internet as part of an unproductive retort to the post I wrote that was intended at having a legitimate conversation about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 08:29 PM
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For the most part I agree with you. I hesitate to say this, but it is possible that people who really want gender equality might not agree with the actions that, societally, do actually move us toward gender equality. People on the whole might just be wrong about how to achieve that end goal. I don't like dismissing people's beliefs or not taking them at their word, but this may be the case. (Tangent: TRP does this kind of thing with women a lot: she's just hamstering, her words cannot be taken …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 08:24 PM
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Uh...how does this relate to the difference between TRP and feminism? Some of the concepts which drive TRP are not unreasonable as uninterpreted concepts (sure, like evopsych), others may be. Same with feminism. (I don't have the same strength of disdain for feminism as I do for TRP, so I won't use the word "hate.") I don't dislike the notion of privilege. I do dislike feminists who use privilege to derail and shut down arguments made by men in good faith. So I'm not sure how this statement illu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 08:17 PM
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I also believe she's full of shit for assuming that her experiences are necessarily the same as women on the whole. When did she ever do that? Feminism has, to her, assumed her experiences should be the same as women on the whole. Don't you see that this issue goes both ways? She's just trying to speak from a perspective that she knows is different from that of women on the whole -- there is no "women on the whole." Isn't feminism supposed to be about individualism? Clearly the solution to divor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 08:10 PM
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I just think everyone would benefit by not judging people just for their choices, or thinking they know better than everyone who believes differently, which is my main gripe with feminism. It's my main gripe with TRP that they refuse to take womens' word at face value (hamstering, etc) and instead read in their own twisted set of assumptions about why women are the way they are. To me, this is the nail in the casket for my support of TRP. Women should be given the credit to be taken at their wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:59 PM
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I'm not sure what the difference is. There are concepts behind TRP. There is a group of people which constitutes "TRPers." There are concepts behind feminism. There is a group of people which constitutes "feminists." Can you be more specific about the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:53 PM
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Sorry, comment edited
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:52 PM
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It's not a homogeneous group, but there are still a group of people who are feminists. Anyway, how does your request have anything to do with the statement I made? I could posit the same thing back to you: "describe to me the singular concept which is feminism, anywhere." You can't. Because feminism is a set of concepts, not just one. Not all feminists agree and not all conceptions of feminism are consistent with each other. This isn't the point. The point is that there are both okay and shitty …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:26 PM
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It's not that simple, and the bottom line is that "appeal to the people" is literally the fallacy at play here. People might not realize the means that need to be carried out to achieve the end that is equality. Also, I never said that feminism is perfect. In fact, I said almost exactly what you said in reply to me: Even if feminism on the average is a bad or unrepresentative fulfillment of some of its "noble" ideals, that doesn't make the ideals shit. Some things are wrong with feminism. But th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:23 PM
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Sure! But, if you wanted what feminists and liberals wanted, you might get that same pushback from TRP. Doesn't it just kind of depend on who you align with? Neither is perfect...I think I can understand why people would align with one or the other depending on their preferences. I do think that TRP/RPW is more understanding in some ways, and also that feminism can be more understanding in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:20 PM
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Disregarding that, however, I was only suggesting that perhaps you'd maybe like to break the vicious cycle of misunderstanding...instead of uselessly bitching about it like every other person does. How about you take your own advice? Doesn't it seem like RPW-based ideals, in practice, in specific instances and for specific people, can actually be successful, supportive, and healthy? Are you unwilling to accept the fact that this person, for her choices, has gotten more shit from feminists than f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:17 PM
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Isn't it good that we have a breakdown of traditional gender roles if that's what people (women) want? Isn't it good that people are using abortion and birth control instead of having children they will struggle (financially and emotionally) to support? I sympathize with the fact that you have gotten shit for living the life the way you want to live it because of, supposedly, feminism and/or its influence. But, if it weren't to affect you, wouldn't all this be fine, or even good, that women can …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:06 PM
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What? Feminism is a concept and a group. There are people and organizations who associate, support, and represent feminism. Some of them are fuckers who discolor feminism on the whole. You should be careful about projecting your idealized view of feminism onto all that could potentially be considered to be feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:03 PM
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feminism does aim to empower women in the choices they are already making. lots of women are unhappy with the choices they have, and their choices are pretty objectively limited in certain ways. it is extremely disingenuous to say that "feminism is much more interested in opening up new choices to women they might not necessarily want." Really what you should say is "feminism is interested in opening up choices to all women so that those who want those options can have them." No shit the focus i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:00 PM
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You have to admit, it's hard to provide advice as thorough as TRP's in a single text post. Asking someone to match TRP's whole body of writing/advice bit-for-bit in this context is a bit unreasonable. IMO the OP has reasonable but unremarkable advice. Many people have given it before. The good shit will come when someone really puts the time in to match TRP's level of detail situation-by-situation, showing that the outcome of their actions is more likely to be as good or better than that of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/15 11:05 PM
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I didn't realize this was about fucking. This is about dating, isn't it? From the parent comment: That doesn't mean that you want to date the woman who only cares about how tall you are. An average-looking woman can't pick and choose what guy she dates any better than a man. A woman who wants a very particular kind of man will have just as much trouble as a man who wants a very particular kind of woman. The type of criteria is not important (physical features, personality traits, etc). Women don…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 09:42 PM
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If you don't let any woman get with you just by showing interest, then wha-la, women don't have the luxury of being picky either! I also don't think the average woman can just "take her pick" of guys. I've seen plenty of attractive girls get rejected. The extremifying of the difference between men and women is not doing you any favors.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 09:26 PM
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Which makes sense, right? Since that's all marriage is, really, in a legal sense. All the religious hoo-hah that supposedly comes along with it is actually all make-believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 08:35 PM
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Right, what he said. This isn't about what's morally wrong or right (for once). Women can have their picky preferences, but men should not then be criticized for responding to it directly through the decisions they make.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 08:29 PM
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If men filtered their ladies and weren't so damn shallow then the ladies won't have that privilege anymore. Become attractive so that you have the long-term relationship choice that you want to have, so that you can make a good first impression, not so that you can score a lay any night you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 08:28 PM
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You're my bae in this thread <3
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 12:37 AM
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They are all obviously rape...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/15 08:46 PM
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At best this is a worthless definition of racism/homophobia because it doesn't meaningfully disambiguate between acceptable and harmful attitudes or between preference and judgment/discrimination, at worst it is totally wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 11:58 PM
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There are two main problems with this thought experiment: girls will say girls more often, guys will say guys more often. because girls are more likely to be friends with girls, and guys with guys, etc. selection bias is in play: if more guys answer, it will look skewed toward guys, and so forth. nerds also more likely to say guys because more guys are nerds. there are fewer girls in my life than guys because of my atmosphere, but I'd still answer girls for a good number of the points above. not…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/15 10:16 PM
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Yep and they would say no because their standards are too high
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 09:51 PM
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My take on this as a man is supported by what lots of women are saying in this thread. Favors or attention are ways of showing someone with whom there's already interest that you are willing to invest, that you can reciprocate the effort required for a relationship, etc. But, they won't create the initial attraction necessary for these things to have a positive effect. If a woman likes you but feels like you are not going to give a shit about her in a committed relationship, she's going to event…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 07:08 PM
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God damnit I hate it when people say this. This is a thing that differs dramatically depending on your social circle. Maybe in your shitty social circles this is how it is. I have plenty of friends who are girls though. And my girlfriend has plenty of friends who are guys, who have girlfriends, for whom it is obvious that there is no romantic/sexual component or possibility to their friendship with her. Maybe this is an overarching truth for you and the people surrounding you. But it is very muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 07:03 PM
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TIL I'm a "bad boy slayer who [is] going nowhere"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/15 07:11 PM
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You're right, there is a difference. If a girl I'm dating (or whatever) does this once, I'm cool with it. If she wants to move slowly, that's her biz. If she does this again, we have a conversation about when we're gonna move forward sexually. If she does this a third time, then at best she's not getting the offer anymore and at worst I'm gonna (soon, if not now) end it with her. She's clearly not interested in me, or at least, in the kind of relationship I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 11:02 AM
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I have a girlfriend and I let my female friends crash on the futon in my living room all the time. Yes, many of them are attractive. You're telling me I do it because I want to have sex with them? Please. You're fucking pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 08:30 AM
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Lot's of times! They love it! Except for when it happens to them. Then, they hate it!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:37 AM
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I think it's more of sad. Not all the posts, just the ones that are embarrassingly un-self-aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:34 AM
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blah blah being trans is not like being religious yeah the arguments are shit. if you don't like the idea of someone previously being the other sex, you have no obligation to pretend to be attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:31 AM
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Straight purple pill man here unwavering "yes"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:28 AM
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I'm not angry, I just come off as angry by accident sometimes. I am also a bit sensitive to the idea that numerical age and maturity are intrinsically tied. I think there's a lot of variation of maturity for a given age. That's the point I'm trying to make. Yeah I guess I read your post wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 10:26 PM
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What? I'm not talking about whether or not it's useful to view rape as a power dynamic versus anything else, I'm talking about what is actually causing men to be rapists. And I think it's a combination of the two things. I'm also not trying to imply that external factors are increasing men's sex drive, or that the onus is on anyone but men to control said sex drive. I'm saying that there is an innate sex drive that men have that probably causes the form of their outward violence, when it happens…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:46 PM
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I agree. I think that even if you want to, pragmatically, not emotionally/mentally harm a rape victim by refraining from analyzing too sterilely what just happened to her, you can still at other times, removed from a specific situation, admit that one form of rape is worse than another. Rape is already an umbrella term for lots of different specific situations. Shoving more conflationary shit into the definition doesn't seem helpful to me. An another important point to remember is that the emoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:39 PM
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You literally just said that it wasn't "because of brain growth", but was because of "power imbalance". That implies that brain growth is not the reason you don't fuck persons below a certain age, when, in fact, the two are highly overlapping and related. Maybe you didn't mean to exclude mental development (i.e. brain growth) as a reason for not fucking someone. But, semantically, you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:35 PM
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Feminists believe that when they are treated as equals, that naturally they will be given harsher sentences. So they work for the former goal and expect the latter to fall out naturally from it. If it does not, I presume activist groups on both sides will notice, it will become an issue, and ideally, will then be resolved.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:31 PM
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answer is tldr: benevolent sexism
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:29 PM
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Even my most feminist friends admit this is the case, usually qualifying it by saying that it's wrapped up in the notion of not treating women like intellectual equals, making it some form of "benevolent sexism." Funny how the analysis comes full circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:28 PM
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its because the power imbalance and understanding of the consequences make consent harder Because brain growth doesn't contribute to your ability to do this, but your numeric age does? Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:24 PM
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I have proved they don't I'm scared that a man who is an engineer and has a degree in physics thinks that he "proved" anything in this conversation. I'm concerned about your ability to logically reason. Are you sure you're not a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:21 PM
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No matter how many people want to deny it for whatever reason, there are different "levels" of rape. Thank you. Why the fuck is this so hard for people to accept?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:00 PM
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Your post is good but I am not sure what you're implying by this: If rapists did indeed have an incel problem it suggests we can solve it somehow, but the solutions for that aren't very radfem. Certainly the onus is on men to not violate other human beings regardless of possible involuntary celibacy. Even if lack of sex drives men to rape (which to some extent I can't help but assume it doess), then although pragmatic, I cannot find any reasonable way to, er, provide sex or something to those pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 08:59 PM
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But they are still usually motivated by sexual desire -- not even for the other person, but just arbitrary, undirected sexual urges. Sometimes I really think that women underestimate how much subconscious, actuated control some men's sex drive has over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 08:56 PM
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a person pressuring the victim into doing something (date-rape) It is shitty to pressure someone into having sex, but it's not really rape. Date rape is when a person has sex with another person who is unable to consent (too out of their mind to physically provide meaningful consent through intoxication, or something similar). If you pressure someone into saying "yes", you have not raped them, but you have been a massive asshole anyway. I don't understand this need to "wrap" every shitty kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 08:54 PM
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I just don't understand why... You RPers verge on Poe's Law for the rest of us sometimes...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 12:39 AM
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You have got to be trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 12:29 AM
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Wasn't this obvious satire?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 09:11 AM
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holy stereotypes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 07:56 AM
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Mainstream culture is becoming far more accepting though, so this should be happening less. I disagree. But let's not get into this one. I understand that feminism's take on nerd culture and gaming isn't supposed to be a critique of non-toxic nerdiness (i.e. nerdy interests/presentation, not nerd-conflated toxic social behavior), but let me just say that I find that the effect the actions of feminism-oriented critiques thereof have been more harmful than helpful overall for the mainstream accept…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 04:32 AM
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THE SALT FLOWS
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 01:29 AM
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Hey there's a steaming pile of shit over there! Are you enticed to go stick your face in it now?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 01:26 AM
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If you earn the label of "creep" you obviously did something to earn that label, whether you want to admit it or not. Yeah but it doesn't always mean you ARE a creep. Some guys get thrown under the bus through bad luck and people misinterpreting their intentions, sometimes quite unfairly. It's not cool to say that anybody society happens to have labeled a creep, is one. I grew up friends with some perfectly awesome nerds who were outcast by the general population of girls (not all of them, but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 01:12 AM
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You don't seem to know what "enticing" means. Also, "engage in prostitution" doesn't mean "have sex with a prostitute", it means "have sex for money". A person who has sex with a prostitute is not "engaging in prostitution".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 01:06 AM
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Ahahaha. Spot on, yet somehow sad
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/15 11:39 PM
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Even then it wouldn't trigger "rapid evolution" it would shift the definition of fitness for the natural selection process, resulting in a bottleneck (which usually implies a large population drop). But evolution really hasn't happened, just, the viable population dropped in size and maybe faster selection will happen from that point forward. But evolution takes tens of thousands of years minimum I'd say before any real physical effects would manifest. It's an extremely slow, gradual process.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 05:30 AM
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Dude, that's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 05:28 AM
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I mean with regard to the fact that RP espouses that women love conditionally and men love unconditionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 02:16 AM
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So you disagree with traditional RP wisdom about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 12:28 AM
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I can't say your actual "seeds" are better or worse than anyone else's without knowing more about you. But you've pretty much flat out told me that you intend to be a shitty father so have fun producing shitty descendants. Who the fuck calls their kids bastards before they even exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 05:13 PM
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Too bad all those kids would grow up far less likely to be successful, given that they wouldn't have a father in their lives. Spreading your seed kinda sucks if the seeds are shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 10:47 PM
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> says "less inbred" > isn't talking about actual inbreeding
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 10:46 PM
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No wonder you can spell words correctly /s -_________-
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 10:42 PM
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Actually I think that's a cataract
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 12:05 AM
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I can roll with that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 08:58 PM
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She could arguably have been doing that to impress you. Yeah and that could be true even though I told her that I would rather she didn't. She even didn't like it when I saw her without makeup at all, and only liked to have it off at night with the lights at least dimmed. And she wore sweats/hoodies/pjs and stuff when she came over, so I feel like there was some weird hangup she had with having makeup on. Even if she did it "for herself" (as she told me), I still think that the reasons she did i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 06:29 PM
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I think you don't understand how deeply affected people are by the subject of rape at all and how emotionally scarring it can be. I don't endorse the way /u/bekkjarlalli is making her point but I do understand why she is making her point that way. She's trying to meet what she perceives as unimaginable coldness toward women (supporting marital rape) with reciprocal coldness toward men (if you support marital rape, you'd be a hypocrite to complain about being raped in prison when you are caught f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 06:15 PM
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FWIW I was hooking up with a girl a while ago that wore makeup to come over and watch tv on my futon with me at night. It was a pain in the ass because then she had to bring whole bag of shit with her and spend 10 minutes taking it off and cleaning her face when we were about to go to bed. No natural transitions into sex and then sleep. Makeup is dumb, trust me she didn't do that shit for me though I told her many times I just found it annoying. I'm pretty sure she wore makeup all the time even …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:59 PM
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It's not like those are mutually exclusive. How she wants to look can also be professional. Also, how do you "look" successful?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:57 PM
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No, fuck your generalizations!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:51 PM
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Correct. I think the issue with here is charge. Appealing to a woman is different from not repulsing her. Not showering would repel women. You can certainly make yourself less repulsive on average to women, but you can't guarantee any of them will necessarily find you appealing. This is the classic rp/bp disagreement about likelihoods. Yes you can take steps to make yourself more likely to be found appealing by women, but unless you look at a specific individual woman and tailor your presentatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:30 PM
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How about showering? This is a necessary but not sufficient condition to appeal to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:23 PM
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Nope never heard of it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:14 PM
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I thought women were polygamous by nature Your post is bad and you should feel bad
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 03:36 PM
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Yeah I really don't think there's any way of knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 10:00 AM
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There are men in happy monogamous marriages, but it doesn't mean that they don't still have the desire for novelty and to spread their seed... I think just about every guy masturbates to online porn these days. so yeah AMALT. Here's the thing though, they're not. You seem to be ignoring gay men, as well as the plenty of completely celibate men out there who have personal reasons for not pursuing sex. I also don't think it's fair to equate "having a sex drive" to "spreading their seed", and I als…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 09:30 AM
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...lol, are you saying that Not All PPD-posters Are Like That?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 08:53 AM
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This is why I love PPD. There are lots of moderates here and I really respect your analogies. Lots of pure-blooded feminists have attached me for "victim-blaming" because I have endorsed taking precautions along the lines of "taking steps to reduce [your] personal risk" -- for the sake of pragmatism, and because I care about people and think that they should vie for their personal safety. But the bottom line is that even if one doesn't take such precautions, it's ultimately not their fault if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 10:25 PM
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How do you know dread game has worked? Short answer: unless you are with your SO literally 24/7, you can't. Pragmatically, I would say that it has worked if both partners feel satisfied with the quality of the relationship and the commitment of the other to the relationship. Call me a consequentialist, but if my girlfriend somehow manages to have sex with other guys without there being any externalities, both without me knowing and without it affecting the quality of my relationship at all, ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 10:16 PM
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See my post above. Time investment, understanding their personality and their inclinations, having them say and do things that are clear investments in you and with you, etc. Should I be more precise?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 09:11 AM
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Yep this. I'm in a LDR but I knew my girlfriend for a long time before that started. Transitioning to living 15000km apart was definitely not easy but I still talk to her all the time. The more she wants to talk to me, the less I think she has any inclination to cheat on me. At the rate we communicate, I don't think it's even possible for her to communicate with another guy as much as she does with me, even one living near her, especially given that I talk to her on the phone when she's out some…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 10:07 PM
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See my post to the other person who replied to me. What I was getting at was that it really does rely kind of just on the difference between being heterozygous and hemizygous, but I admit that the issue is far more complex than I made it out to be. It is undeniable that for single-allele sex-linked traits like autism that men are more phenotypically diverse than women. There's a discussion of this in the second link at the end of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 06:24 AM
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Let me reel in because I think I am not conveying my thoughts well. Also I spoke in more absolute terms than I should have. Ultimately whether or not my statement is true in an absolute sense depends on your definition of variation and on an assumption about the inheritance of sex-linked genes. Let me pose one of each that make my statement true, and then maybe some others that show that really the statement doesn't have as much weight as it seems. Let us say that each gene has N possible allele…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 06:23 AM
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What do you mean, in whose observation? It's a fact, it doesn't matter who observes it. Since most sex-linked genes are dominant, there is less phenotypic variation when they come in primarily dominant-expressive pairs. This says nothing to genotypic variation, which is the kind of variation you would see at the molecular level. The fact that the X chromosome is rapidly evolving has nothing to do with whether or not females are phenotypically less diverse. All (perhaps almost all) genes on the x…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 08:43 PM
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I really, really don't think that arguing about how possible it is for guys to grow facial hair is productive. Plenty of guys who can't are way above a 7 and plenty of guys who can are capped below it. I can barely grow a beard... I have arguably less facial hair than the guy in the last link but it is distributed a bit higher up on my face. About a day or two after I shave my girlfriend still likes the look/feel of the stubble. I really don't think facial hair plays a major role here. I agree w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 06:34 PM
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Wait...why the fuck do guys need to have facial hair to get to a 7?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 06:13 PM
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will have one or the other X chromosome expressed in their cells which makes them diverse Just internally. Across all members of our species, females are phenotypically less diverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 03:08 AM
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This is just codominance; they're referring to variation among women, not withing the cells of a particular woman. Bottom line is that it's true: sex-linked traits vary more in men than women. Of course, any traits on the y-chromosome are basically inherited directly, so "maleness" is highly uniform itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:42 PM
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"Women can get it pretty much any time" is a myth. Attractive women can get sex if they go to a club and let dudes flirt with them, but it's not automatic. Ugly women will have a hard time in any setting -- hell, lots of average-looking women struggle even in that environment. And while attractive men don't have the ease that attractive women do, it's still very possible to get laid within a reasonable timeframe from making an effort to. The notion that women have a privilege in that they can ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:46 AM
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It's one of the biggest miscommunications, if not the biggest one, of the entire feminism debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:40 AM
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Bingo. There are ways men and women can act to "get no relationships", but shitty behavior is not a guarantee of no relationships for either sex. This whole thread is predicated on the fact that people allow women to be shitty. I'm not sure why the OP is trying to make us all accept that. Since my response to a woman being shitty isn't "now I'll go be shitty all the time", it's "let's find a different person who's not shitty."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 10:58 PM
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Here comes the shitty person!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 10:55 PM
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Your strategy is marginally better than the "pretend to be sex positive and listen to her stories" one because it really tests for traits the root of the perceived problem with sluttiness: mental/emotional instability. In this sense, your strategy doesn't necessarily catch girls who merely have high partner count, but instead, catches girls who are shallow, narcissistic, image-oriented, in need of psychological validation of whatever sort, etc. These are only some causes of high partner count, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 04:58 PM
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He would never go for you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 11:22 PM
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intellectually honest manor Shit! My manor isn't even sentient :(
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 07:32 AM
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I like analyzing shit, and I want to understand the RPers and feel out my specific beliefs about the whole rp/bp spectrum. It's actually quite useful for me in that sense. Yes I actually do take these people seriously, I will happily argue with trolls if it leads me down interesting trains of thought so I'm not really concerned about that. Plus you do learn that RP is a spectrum and there are some people who call themselves RP who believe very reasonable things. /u/Bakerofpie for example. It's g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 07:29 AM
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/r/shitredditsays
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 07:24 AM
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Well if you two have degrees are or are religious you to have good chance of staying together. Hahaha she has her Master's and I'm working on my PhD. But beyond that superficial indicator we're both levelheaded, observant people and we've both invested a lot in making our shit work out. They are often worried the a solution might not actually better than what's happening in the present. Uhh, then the problem to focus on is that of accepting the current state of things without complaining. There'…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:58 AM
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I don't think people operate like this. Not what someone believes things should be and not right are two different things. Sometimes people struggle with the truth. And things are exactly the way they're supposed to be but they have emotional outburst to deal with it. Couple points: If you have emotional outbursts from struggling with the truth, then the problem that should be addressed is accepting the truth. So if this were the case I'd work with my SO to help them accept the truth. Things can…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:47 AM
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What happens when there's no answer? Well, maybe then you learn that you're not meant for that person, if there's some irreconcilable difference. In our personal case, we have known each other for years and both have a lot of optimism about it lasting, because of all the success we've had with this process. Everything difference has either been reconciled (in most cases) or accepted. We have a few small nonessential things we're still working though and no relationship ever goes perfectly smooth…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:40 AM
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Really interesting post. I like a lot of the points you made, but I have a few quibbles and I still think that modern society has equalized the sexual worth of men and women to some extent. Men inherently value women because they are women. They've evolved to value women because women invest more energy into reproduction. I am not sure what you mean by this. Personally, I consciously choose to value women based on whether or not I value them as people and/or as potential sexual partners. A woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:21 AM
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It's not about sources when it's a emotional, it's actually about the emotion. Why do you believe this? I completely disagree. Like I said, I see negative emotions as a sign of some underlying thing that's not right. For example, my girlfriend used to get stressed out and sad when I would prioritize hanging out with my friends over her after a long day of work. The emotion was her tension and sadness, which could have been perceived as clingy. We talked about it, and it turned out the underlying…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:06 AM
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Admirable. How do you know the problem is actually resolved? Ways to tell include us coming to a verbal agreement, middle-point, or acknowledgement of mutual acceptance; someone actively changing their mind; or, a settling or "nothing else to talk about" on the topic while on amicable terms. Then only time can tell if the underlying problem is actually resolved -- if the subject of the problem doesn't cause issues again. Lots of the time it doesn't and we incorporate little changes into how we i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:49 AM
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Yep that's correct except it's pointless to list all those arbitrary things they don't want to do with women (no friends do these things anyway) and you're wrong about or otherwise bother with you Since when does platonic friendship involve not bothering with people? Do your male platonic friends not bother with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 10:25 PM
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The difference is how broad the spread is. I think women will have a much broader spread for the money/power/status generalization than the tallness one, even if on average both are true. Making them different
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 11:36 PM
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Yeah I think on average it's true. The trick is to find a girl who is not so caught up in money/power/status, the same way that for a girl the trick is to find a guy who's not so caught up in physical attractiveness. Both sides have tendencies and it's okay to pursue them to an extent but getting overly or singularly wrapped up in them seems bad, in the context of long-term relationships. Dating hot girls won't provide long-term stability (too much else will be mismatched). Neither will dating g…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 11:35 PM
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It's amazing that some guys think this is some kind of problem with women, rather than a problem with them responding the wrong way to a request for commiseration, even when they know what she wants is comfort. "Lol, she didn't want my advice and wasn't asking for it, but she gets frustrated when I give it to her anyway, Women amirite?!" Just be direct it works wonders
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 11:13 PM
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Perfectly said. But that doesnt mean a solution wont make them feel better, the trick is to help them reach a solution themselves without making them feel inadequate by presenting it as something obvious to you that was beyond their reach. Outsiders often look in on problems and think "oh the solution is quite direct and easy to enact" but part of the problem is the whole social and psychological contexts of the situation and person involved. Yeah waking up at 8am everyday sounds like it should …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 11:10 PM
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A man doesn't need you to solve his problems. He might need you to provide suggestions but he wants you to trust and respect him to make good decisions whether or not they are something you suggest. I'm confused -- is this not how it should work in both directions? God this whole thread is just like /u/xthecharacter confirmed for transgender
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 11:01 PM
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If anyone's basis of a complaint is emotional, it is unlikely "fixing" the emotions will help. Men and women have emotional problems. "Fixing" an emotion involves finding the source(s) of the problem and addressing that/them. This is the case with everyone: if someone is upset then that's an emotion they want to fix, and emotions are triggers that something is not right. Some people react non-emotionally to problems that are more material in nature -- my emotions are unchanged but I gained 20 po…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:57 PM
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Women do want to solve problems but they do like having problems around that they think are worth solving. That's cool, I like that too. When I argue with my girlfriend we always work toward some kind of resolution. Sometimes she wants to vent and I comfort her. Sometimes she wants to put her thinking cap on and try to strategize for ways to solve her problems. Then we bounce ideas off each other. She's gotten really good at being literal about which one she wants, sometimes it shifts throughout…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:53 PM
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He's also right about people telling you truths about their relationship (if you're a platonic outsider) -- this has happened to me soooo so much. It actually makes me feel great about my relationship, because my girlfriend and I make a point of being completely open to each other so that we don't feel this need to tap into other people to feel like we can express ourselves and our thoughts on our relationship. He's right that it's unhealthy behavior to falsely preserve the relationship by avoid…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:43 PM
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Well I'm not a feminist and I think that thinking about how to provide certain fundamental necessities to all children is good regardless of which parent normally provides that necessity. I am not trying to say "fathers are easily replaced" -- did I imply that anywhere? I am also not trying to fully replace the parents!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 10:43 PM
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A lot of rpers actually complain about this, how the gov't is replacing the role of the father. Interesting. I'm not sure I agree this is true but I do really like the idea of govt taking over some of these things. I like the idea that we should remove the parts of the role of the father that are non-essential to being provided by the father and try to efficiently provide them to all children. I don't like the idea that irresponsible people have kids and then those kids suffer in a way that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 07:54 AM
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Sure, but it's obviously moving away from that and I don't think a lot of feminists would deny that. Anyway, I wouldn't. Beware of the fallacy fallacy, just because feminists might not believe the right thing doesn't affect the point that modern society may have brought about about more balance between the sexes from a gender norms perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 07:48 AM
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I like your comment so I upvoted it but I don't quite agree. Yeah, I think your second paragraph is what /u/a-22 meant and what I believe. But I don't think women's sexual worth has remained constant. Sex and sexual pleasure (pure and simple) has been made much more an attainable commodity (prostitution, online porn, etc) than it was in the past (not saying prostitution didn't exist...but there are lots of feasible ways for any guy to get sex nowadays I'd argue). Women can still more easily get …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 07:47 AM
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Yes I think it's true that innate differences between the sexes make it more likely for human cultures to favor active males in general but also in particular with sexual courtship. As /u/GridReXX said above men have higher sex drives and I do think that contributes to men being active; also, I believe that men being physically stronger lead, in the past, to their ability to more successfully assert themselves than women. I also think that because of how much society has changed since then, it m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 07:17 AM
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Also, because men are naturally physically stronger. In a time where physical strength mattered more it was easier for them to control social dynamics and be successful when acting aggressively. Social interaction in general was a lot more physical back when all of these norms first emerged.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 07:13 AM
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Translation: NAWALT!!!!!111 Correct: NAWALT. Telling incels that they should strive for something deeper and more meaningful than just sex is a fucking part of the problem. That's like, your opinion man. And it's one I disagree with a lot. I don't think that guys who are struggling with girls in general just want plain, meaningless sex. If you have a great partner who feels genuine attraction for you and is always considering your position and, when in disagreement, wants to meet you halfway, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 02:38 AM
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"my girlfriend" Possessive tense doesn't imply ownership, especially not complete ownership.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:46 AM
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OMG! You state, as if you believed it yourself, exactly the point BPers want you to hear! Every person, and every relationship, is different. Everybody wants something different out of a relationship! General advice about what works in relationships is bound to fail in very many specific cases! General statistics about men or women are bound to fail in very many specific cases! Neither are reliable for individuals (though they may serve as good starting points)! This is why RPers are better at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:45 AM
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the scientific process is a cycle of guess, test, refine It's actually more precise than that. But okay. The testing has to be processed objectively and statistically as results. RP doesn't do that, among other failures
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:43 AM
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RP is scientificish Haha what? This is equivalent to saying "RP is not scientific"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:42 AM
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...it seems like you're asking for something that's impossible to give. How do we show scientific consensus? e.g. Steve Pinker is widely regarded and his opinions on evopsych are not out of the ordinary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 09:33 AM
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No criteria whatsoever addressing personality compatibility? Outside of the association with feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 05:50 AM
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Yeah I saw a dude make out with a girl at a club who wasn't his girlfriend and then I saw his girlfriend come up to him and get super pissed off
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 05:56 AM
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Your post. It's a great one. I think it's silly to deny that men and women are different. But I have been given no evidence that women, categorically, are morally inferior to men. Honorable is an interesting word. Honor means "high respect; esteem" according to google. Connotatively we have a different understanding of honor, maybe because about societal norms that influence the perceived primary modes of achieving honor (defending self/friends/family/nation or whatever group of allegiance throu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 04:57 AM
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I mean fuck would a man ever start touching another woman's legs in front of his girlfriend? Yes, I've seen it happen
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 04:08 AM
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Nay good sir, a good woman will contribute her half!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 08:42 AM
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I pity the man who has sex with a motionless/actionless woman
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:33 AM
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and there is a 50% divorce rate This is the biggest indicator of a problem IMO. I think there is a problem with the valuation of potential partners by all people regardless of sex/gender/orientation/etc. Also have no idea of how to solve the problem. I just know that for my personal relationship I value genuine compatibility and honesty over all else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 07:43 AM
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It seems kinda fucked up but like others have said I definitely agree this would have a positive impact on society
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 07:40 AM
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I must be incredibly valuable to you, because you could never work hard enough to get me. Because apparently the determining factor of value is difficulty in obtaining. There's the ticket!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 07:52 PM
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Yes this is exactly right. Statistics are only useful at the level of an individual if the only information you have is the information relevant to the statistic. This is never the case because as soon as you meet someone you begin learning more about them, and then you can create a more-informed opinion of them than simply what the statistic says about the population as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 07:33 PM
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Can you explain what's wrong with OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 07:31 PM
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All most people bothered to read..... I'm a simple dude, eat, sleep read, , sex, and maybe some league (ok definitely league) I figure, if the rest of my life is shit, I'll fix that when I get to it. >.> RP isn't going to cure my spiritual needs, for that I got to r/catholicism (or church) How about developing a moral compass of your own, and taking concrete steps to change your life? Might help you out on the sex front and the overall happiness front both.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:44 PM
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You can't just tell people how much they should value sex. You can't just declare that sex is "a SMALL part of life, at most". People are allowed to value sex however much they want. The only issue is if they take steps to get sex that harm or negatively affect others, but this is true for any sort of pursuit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:43 PM
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Huh? Physics is a field of study that abides by the scientific method and that contains provable facts. TRP is a way of life, it is a belief system that can be supported but that is outside the realm of being a truth or not a truth. Way too different to compare. That being said I can show you plenty of chemists who would agree with your statement 100%! And I think they're reasonable folk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:41 PM
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To women it probably appears unhealthy, but men in general think about/want sex more often on average than women. I'm so glad I found a girl with a comparable level of horniness to me. From the way you talk it sounds like it's rare. Also please speak for yourself. I can live perfectly happily without sex, done it before and could do it again if need be.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:37 PM
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Second one. I think being violent is correlated with being aggressive in general. Aggressive guys will have more success with women by virtue of visibility. But underlying they're still violent shitheads, so it's a guise (intentional or not). Among other things. Shitheads are also more likely to be deceptive, hence treating meeting people well at first, and then falling into their shithead selves when opportunism runs low.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:29 PM
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Both mid 20s. Yeah, more details of the situation would suggest that it's not finding limits and is more of an accident sort of thing. Thanks for the good wishes, honestly I see it as probably not a sign of a larger issue or anything. I think sometimes she lets loose a little too much and loses control of herself. But, I think the rest of our relationship speaks for itself :). I mostly brought it up to illustrate why I perceive such situations to be very grey with regard to bp/rp beliefs. Obviou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:53 AM
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Thanks for your reply. You're not asking too much at all. Knowing that she has a tendency to extreme behavior when she drinks too much is something she needs to address. Perhaps it's not safe for her to drink at all, perhaps she needs to never go above a certain number of drinks. I sure as hell wouldn't stay with a partner who routinely got blackout drunk. Yeah, it is far from routine. It's happened just the one time since we went long-distance. I scolded her for it, all her friends scolded her …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:48 PM
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I think we're just friends actually
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:17 PM
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Yeah I hate it when my platonic female friends don't want to fuck me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:07 AM
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Goddamnit I can't even remember the other person's (your?) exact username correctly. That guy was a grade-a PITA though, and you seem like less of one
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 07:39 AM
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Girlfriend not into it. Maybe one day
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 07:37 AM
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I'll let you know if it comes back to bite me in the ass though. We'll see. Also, hi my very small number of IRL friends who might still read my reddit posts, hope you enjoyed the story
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 06:12 AM
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Meh, that's the easy assumption to make. I was with her in person for 2 years and she was completely dedicated to me the whole time. When she got this way during that period (very rarely), it was all directed at me then. I'd be a lot more worried if her other actions indicated anything wrong. But they don't, so it's all good. She spends so much time talking to me and sharing her life with me, and she is so honest. All our interactions are great. And I know her friends and they're watching my bac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 06:06 AM
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Are you /u/will_i_am?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:30 AM
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From /r/srssucks
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:29 AM
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If I knew an attractive woman who wanted to have safe sex but didn't, I'd call her an idiot, not hail her for being pure! [\somewhatfacetious]
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:29 AM
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As for your experiences, sometimes someone just isn't right for you, even if you care about them. I know the feeling all too well, but I mean, what can you do aside from learn from it and see what you can do to be better in the future. Haha. This girl is fucking awesome to me and ultimately if our relationship stays as good as it is otherwise, with minor instances of things like this, I'd be okay with that. (That's something she doesn't need to exactly know, though.) But I just want to encourage…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 04:31 AM
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Yeah it's true. I can't say I have personal experiences that involve exactly cheating but I have some others. When I was in college a girl was into me and I was kinda into her but wasn't sure. We hung out one day and she kissed me goodbye kind of quickly and I just went with it cuz it caught me off guard. But afterward I got a sinking feeling, and knew thought she was a cool person I didn't want it to go beyond friendship. I told her nicely the next day and said sorry, and that I would still lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:47 AM
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and do anything for them since that's what a man does That's where you have gone wrong. It's not just an RP thing to accept that if you put a doormat on your face, women (people) will step on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:16 AM
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Do onto others as you wish them to do onto you This one hits hard for me. Goddamnit, I hate this shit. My dad once told me that he believes everyone acts selfishly. And the only way to not get abused is to make decisions with that fact in mind. Treat people nicely, and they'll treat you nicely when it's convenient for them. But they still won't hesitate to deny you just like John did to Jesus thrice...just because it was too inconvenient for them to stick up for you instead. I reformulate the go…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:13 AM
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Yo mostly I agree with /u/talboworks here but I have to say I have met plenty of feminists who excuse women for cheating by saying that the guy must have caused it through treating them poorly or making them feel like they can't leave the relationship, or something along those lines. There is a streak in feminism of deflecting blame from women (they can't be sexist against men anyway, because they aren't categorically in a position of power anyway!), and it does lead to some shitty social pressu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:58 AM
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Couldn't agree more!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 01:50 AM
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Wish I could. It takes two to want to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 01:23 AM
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It's cool shit! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_theory http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~murray/books/AM05/pdf/am08-complete_22Feb09.pdf Lots of examples in the book.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 12:04 AM
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Yeah, thanks for this comment. I agree with this clarification/extension. You focused on the one direction a bit too much I think. I really like viewing men and women as having resources that are scarce/useful for the other. Then there is a negotiation that takes place. This is how I view relationships at least. I think buying/selling is a bit too physical. Nothing is physically getting exchanged, no ownership is really transferring. But resources are being shared and used, certainly I think. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:55 PM
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After taking TRP, I'm more genuine with women now than ever before. It's hard to care that much when women are incapable of loving men for who they are. I love how you are directly contradicting yourself so many times. I only want to point out one occurrence, because it would be a waste of my time to do more! You're more genuine with women now after TRP, but TRP is what taught you that women are incapable of loving men for who they are? So...either you're more genuine, and women love you less, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 07:46 AM
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probably that I think that getting pegged in the ass by a girl would be one of the hottest things ever
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 07:28 AM
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Would you not agree that the comment can be rearranged as such? "Human relationships have too broad a scope to be modeled [economically]." Sure, but that still doesn't imply that strategicalmoose believes: economics in general is useless and doesn't deserve attention. Economics could be very useful for other things, and thus still deserve lots of attention, even if human relationships have too broad a scope to be modeled economically.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 07:14 AM
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Okay, I just found the OP remarkably uninteresting. I feel like I've done a decent job of justifying why.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 07:12 AM
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I didn't say they hated women. I was intentionally more precise than that. But they certainly treat them differently. We've had huge threads here where RPers have tirelessly argued that women are inherently less valuable to society. Based on what they say and the actions they endorse, RPers in general certainly don't view women as equals to men. They certainly don't treat women with the same genuineness that they treat other men with. They certainly don't understand women and often believe that …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 07:08 AM
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I think it's pretty clear that he's doing damage control as best he can (which may not be great).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:59 AM
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You have a real problem when it comes to empathy and understanding for others. Jesus fucking christ. Says the RP spokesperson. Try having empathy toward the other 50% of the world, who, FYI, aren't playing some weird game with all their relationships and instead for the most part just want to have nice relationships with others and a nice life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:58 AM
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LOL this is gold
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:55 AM
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Bahahaha. Hamstering is harder for men + I doubt he was justifying it to himself though. but if he was, that would be hamstering? Pretty much. By your own definition, his externality wouldn't change at all if he were hamstering, just his mindset. You literally can't say that the fact that men are held to a higher accountability (arguably not even true, but even if it is, the point still holds) has any effect on the difficulty of hamstering if, to the outside world, he is doing the same thing he …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:52 AM
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It's called the "dating market" and it's being systematized as social trends and technologies progress. Besides, I brought up markets to point out that market economics aren't exactly perfect either. In this case, strategicatomicmoose was talking about economics in general, not just market economies. That includes barter economies, which when considering "services" (not just goods) can describe dating. I agree that it becomes a lot more abstract on the matter of LTRs. Okay. My personal opinion i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:42 AM
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Economics is a very broad thing. It applies to so many things that I think pointing out that it applies to human relationships is kind of empty. It applies to anything where an exchange of any sort takes place, where there are things of value, products, to be considered. Meh. I don't think it applies here any better than it applies to, say, biological systems. Or strategies in games. Or building things out of wood. Or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:35 AM
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I think modeling relationships as economic principles with actors of equal standing would be better, for example where people are controllers of resources, and the relationship would involve negotiating shared use of the resources both have. I also think a good model for relationships would be feedback systems, because I think that one of the important aspects of a relationship to capture with a model is the reaction of one party to the actions of the other. I think there is a high sensitivity i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:32 AM
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There are way better models than this one. This model sucks. It's marginally accurate but super coarse and really not any more helpful than just describing in plain English the interaction of interest (as others in this thread have done).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:23 AM
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And all the young women you meet are super motivated?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:22 AM
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No, it's that economics is so broad that it can be applied reasonably well to most things. Romantic relationships are just not particularly fitting for this application. And, the OP didn't even do a great job. There's no justification per se for why women are the sellers and men are the buyers. Men still have to use similar techniques (or just be cool people outright, or have high value in some way shape or form) to get women interested in them. In truth neither party strictly plays the role of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:17 AM
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Cool story bro! Tell me more about how these "analogies" work!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:04 AM
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Yeah the problem is that mostly your post makes sense (in a very basic, obvious way) except for the completely artificial difference between guys and girls that you embed within it for god knows what reason. Seriously, it's the least correct part of the analogy and it's purposeless. Men have to engage in the same shit, or no woman wants them. Yeah the exact nature of the sale differs marginally because men and women do have their (physical and statistical) differences. But it's not like men get …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:01 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender#Brain-based_studies There have been many brain-based studies that physically distinguish, in a statistical sense, transgender brains (separately, for both directions) from cisgender ones. I have always kept my eye out for a study like this I can participate in. I associate with gynephilic transgenderedness to a certain extent. It would be cool to see if my brain agreed with my own personal understanding of myself. Granted I (well, mostly...) live my life …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 10:20 PM
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In this context the word "mental" refers to things that produce a dysphoria between thoughts and actions. I.e., a person wants to get up and go to work but cannot bring themselves to do so, despite the fact that it is physically possible for them to stand up, walk out the door of their apartment, take whatever form of transportation, etc. This is in contrast to, say, having a broken leg. A better term than mental would be psychological.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 10:17 PM
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"You shouldn't want sex". Dumb advice. Sex is an extremely healthy activity and it's important to want it. "not to find that lack of intimacy so upsetting that you would consider suicide" =/= "you shouldn't want sex". Glad shit's working out for you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 09:07 PM
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Honestly, have you ever just tried to hang out with a girl because you thought she was a cool person? I honestly don't see how you can, just naturally, be hated by the opposite sex to the point where they isolate you from them completely and entirely. Truly, girls are not that different from guys. You want my advice? Dude, I don't want you to think about suicide because you have no intimacy with the opposite sex. Primarily, I would want to encourage you to not find that lack of intimacy so upset…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 11:29 AM
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Hm I wonder if that's exactly how a man might feel after a while married to the hoe he caught using TRP techniques?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:21 AM
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I think doing anything you wouldn't normally do in order to get someone else to do something they wouldn't normally do is manipulation and an unworthy (and, ultimately, unproductive) endeavor. No, me neither. But in this case, I think it goes a bit beyond that (in the uncritical sense of dread game), where there is a sense of, as opposed to manipulation, let's say deception. I don't like the idea of intentionally doing something the other person doesn't like, in tandem with the intent of them no…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/14 10:32 PM
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However I don't think its prudent to dismiss anything entirely, there's a lot to learn from people you don't agree with, especially when it comes to topics like human and gender relations. Hence why I frequent this sub :). In this discussion actually I will say I learned quite a bit from this post and her subsequent ones. Though I still think that her conception of dread is markedly different from the common one at TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 10:55 PM
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I think the biggest problem is that not that TRP's beliefs are false or irrational, but that they lead to bad actions. As in, even if emotionally manipulating your girlfriend might get her to do what you want her to in the short term, it's extremely unhealthy on many levels in the long term. The criticism is in the methodology and attitude mostly. But, even then, I think some of TRP's beliefs are false and irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 10:52 PM
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Yeah. Self selection is a thing in advertising for sure. Also, if even a minority of people fall for advertising, it looks like a lot because of the sheer quantity of people who are advertised to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 10:04 PM
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You said "what are people besides chemicals?" I described actions, things that take place inside humans, that make them more than just clumps of chemicals. Namely, the reactions/processes that go on inside them that are caused by those chemicals. I'm not refuting that we are just chemicals and that being alive is just chemical reactions. I'm saying that the complexity of the chemicals and chemical reactions that humans have produce behavior so vastly different from a single chemical or chemical …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:47 PM
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It's not bullshit holy fuck. Any kind of chemical reaction that we can reproduce reliably in a lab is not even nearly as complicated as even a single of the chemical reactions that is constantly happening in our bodies. Explaining human behavior is not like measuring the molar mass of a molecule. Human behavior is highly sensitive to context and environment. How can you possibly even make that analogy with a straight face?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:22 PM
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Err, well first of all they are alive. They are a heterogeneous mixture of chemicals that are very precisely arranged and with highly complex emergent properties. People are created and develop in a very organized manner through DNA replication and self-organized spatial differentiation. No chemical reaction on a scale even remotely as complex as ones that happen within our bodies at the femtosecond timescale has even been reproduced in a lab in a controlled manner. Human beings can very easily …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:53 PM
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Another issue is just the difference between the exterior that RP presents and the ickiest most visible rendition of RP beliefs/tactics, versus how some more thoughtful people will characterize those beliefs/tactics and discuss them when prodded to do so. I've read self-posts and anecdotes on TRP (and elsewhere) that involved the man specifically making his partner feel like he was going to cheat on her in order to get sex (or more sex) from her. Flirting with other girls in her presence intenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:47 PM
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Why is witnessing every encounter necessary? For some, I've seen guys hit on them. They didn't appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 07:41 PM
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Yikes. People are demonstrably much more complex and unpredictable in their behavior and reactivity than chemicals, regardless... So you think a quiet studious girl who doesn't drink or smoke, whose primarily has fun by hanging out with a small clique of friends, will just instantly fall for pick up artistry? I know girls who would be absolutely disgusted by PUAs, girls who would never talk to or go near a guy anything like that. Girls who are not part of that world at all. There are more kinds …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 06:45 PM
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I guess they're not totally separate, but making your girlfriend jealous by flirting with other girls, versus having fun without her if she's bringing down the mood...pretty damn different.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 06:31 PM
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What if they don't go to clubs?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 05:57 AM
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Yeah, I see how this is akin to dread game but really it is very, very different from how I have heard it described at other times. In fact I read some TRP descriptions of dread game to my friends, and then read what you typed to me to them, and they have dramatically different reactions to each. I think the biggest difference for me is that the dread game I usually hear about is described as something you wouldn't normally do, but would do when necessary. I imagine an RPer would say dread game …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 04:55 AM
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Thank you so much for this comment, it was very clarifying! I agree completely that what your husband did was very reasonable and helpful. I can see how you liken it to dread game but it just differs so much from my prior conception of dread game. I see them as two totally separate things. I wouldn't describe what he did as dread game at all, I would say he was standing up for himself and making a statement about positivism in the relationship. One could do such a thing without the explicit inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 02:42 AM
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I dunno, you don't have to believe me. I'm sure sales tactics work in general. I just don't buy anything that I don't seek out, and I buy almost everything online anyway. But I also think this argumentative point is weak. All humans need to eat: does that mean we are emotionally the same? Everyone is a different height: does that mean we're all different? People have dramatically different music tastes. People have dramatically different daily routines and habits. People have dramatically differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 02:06 AM
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I buy things because I want them. I don't buy that many things, actually... If by "advertising" you mean "I buy things that I evaluate as best for my money and needs", then yes. If advertisements essentially lie about their products and I am swayed by such lies, then yes I guess advertising works on me. But I don't just fall for persuasive bullshit that's thrown in my face. The reason I know this is because I don't really buy anything that is advertised to me. When I want something, I seek out t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 02:01 AM
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Agreed!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 01:57 AM
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I use these techniques with my buyers all the time, why do they have the same predictable responses over and over? Sales techniques don't work on me. Maybe I am an outlier, so my perspective on this whole matter is warped? Call me arrogant but I think sales techniques work on the lowest common denominator, which happens to be enough. I explicitly try to avoid people who enjoy using such techniques, and people who don't have the cognizance to avoid falling for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 01:20 AM
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Can I ask what exactly he did? Was it dread game in the straightforward sense, i.e. he somehow suggested that he was gonna cheat on you or get sex from other places? Also I want to say that while I'm inexperienced in this and in no way think that my solution will work for everyone (I did the best I could...), I think I suggested more than just "communication" or "ask her". Anyway, I tried to. I think you can feel out what the other person is having an issue with, without jumping straight to drea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 01:17 AM
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It's different for every case. There's no action that works in all cases! You have to discover exactly what will work in your specific case...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 12:26 AM
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ask wife what she's unhappy about, say something like "I can tell something's on your mind" a) if she gives a plausible response, work on it slowly but surely and incorporate some sexiness into it or after it; chances are if she gets what she wants she'll be more open to sex. don't just hand her what she wants right off the bad though, make it a slow perceptible process so that she sees what you're doing and knows that you're consciously doing it b) if she doesn't give a fair or plausible respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 11:53 PM
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Yeah the problem here is that /r/M_rafay thinks that having an abusive husband is the same thing as not getting sex from your wife. D'oh!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 11:24 PM
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Verbal communication doesn't work. Says who? This is exactly the kind of unsupported claim that I don't like seeing in debates. Verbal communication doesn't overarchingly work or not work, that's at any rate an oversimplication. I do like your next point though: Dread game reasserts the situation of early dating, where the wife was unsure of her status and sought to please the man, AKA, it reignites visceral ATTRACTION. I think there's a middle ground between groveling by making direct requests …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 11:20 PM
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Alright Hammurabi
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 08:18 PM
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It's both, it's just that the consent is invalidated by the drunkenness. So if a woman gives coherent consent but is drunk, the consent is invalid? You need to be more precise when you talk about this stuff. People can't read your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 11:50 PM
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You're contradicting yourself. Not to mention you're contradicting yourself, and also making presumptuous statements about people you don't know at all. Just basic statistics says so. Right, right. We don't have accurate statistics for rates of rape, but somehow we have them for rates of false rape. Silly me But the whole point is that if the situation isn't clear, then you'd be a moron to think that the consent may be valid. The whole point is that the situation SEEMS clear at the time, and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 11:44 PM
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1) You said who the hell thinks it is I'm answering your question. You can't just go and be like "oh, well THEY don't count!" 2) he was referring to how you said "she was so drunk that it's possible that her consent may not be valid". I think they're bringing up the semantic difference between "too drunk to consent" and "not too drunk to consent, but too drunk for their consent to be valid". Which is it, eh? And if it's the latter, doesn't that make things really wishy-washy?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 10:05 PM
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Like I said, this doesn't really happen so don't worry about it. Says who? You? This exact scenario actually happened to a friend of mine. It wasn't exactly that awesome for him to go through that. As a side note, I find it interesting that the only people I ever see claiming that girls call rape when they regret sex are the people who say that it's impossible to determine if a girl is too drunk to consent. I never said it's impossible, just less clear than you're making out out to be; personall…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 10:02 PM
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God your argument is so awful. Of COURSE the line isn't clear, I've known plenty of people who have blacked out and done impressively complicated tasks, only to say the next day they have no recollection whatsoever of doing so. These are people who, if I had not seen them drink beforehand, would not have known they were drunk (or at least, would not have had any idea how drunk). These are people who could have feasibly consented to sex in a very believable, coherent way. The last thing you want …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 08:21 PM
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the person below you? it's not irrelevant, the OP showed he was scared of drunk sex because people might label it as rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 08:17 PM
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Is not the bottom line that neither men nor women can be generalized as groups?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 10:30 PM
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Don't you mean the opposite? AMALT and NAWALT are equally dumb, no? Men and women are not homogeneous groups that overarching statements can be made about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 10:29 PM
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I just wanna address a single point in the post you replied to: A realistic bar to set in my opinion would be a society where victims of sexual assault would have no fear in telling anyone they were assaulted. It breaks my heart to see too many victims not reporting based on them not wanting to tell family/friends or because they feel they won't be believed by law enforcement. To me (and I think from your post you agree) the biggest issue here is that lots of women feel like they can't report th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 07:03 PM
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Do men cheat because they have dicks?
/r/TheRedPill28/10/14 03:09 AM
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A key that opens multiple locks, is a master key. A lock that opens to many keys, it's just a shitty lock. I'll remember to rotate my entire body ninety degrees the next time I enter a woman
/r/TheRedPill28/10/14 02:59 AM
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I <3 you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 04:11 AM
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Bravo bravo, excellent post. Here are some cursory followup thoughts: the response to this isn't "women should stop being a huge pain in the ass to deal with", it's "men should stop doing things for women with hidden strings attached. the reason that men are more "available" than women is probably because of the whole notion that they're used to having favors done to them with strings attached. it's not that they do fewer favors, it's that men do more. it's also that women know the confusion of …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 04:03 AM
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Welcome to PPD: where the most moderate radicals get together and reverse-strawman their causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 03:56 AM
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Am in polyamorous/open LTR with 2/3 girls Out of curiosity, are you LTR with all the girls? Or just one (as I would guess)?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 03:52 AM
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x and x are always equal because they are the same variable -- (x == x) is a tautology. And, yes, so only for certain values of x, namely, any value besides 0. "only for certain values of x" is a phrase often used when talking mathematics
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 10:00 PM
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That's the point. Equality is a Progressive fantasy. I think the vast majority of progressives see equality in terms of various sexes/races/etc having equal value, not in terms of exact equivalence. Yes the language is imprecise but as a self-identified progressive/liberal person who has mostly progressive/liberal friends, 95% of the time this is the way that the word "equality" is used by such people. Really, most of us aren't as insane as you claim to think. So no I don't think that's the poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 03:45 PM
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What is a man's value to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 11:55 PM
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Assuming you have no priors besides the gender of the person, which is never the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 11:54 PM
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Those people are definitely denying facts. But who cares about identical equality on average between men and women? I think the question that matters is, are men and women of equal value to humanity and society? The answer, I think, is yes. The reason I believe this is because Enough valuable contributions have been made by both men and women to humanity and society such that I see no justification for valuing one over the other. Is this not reasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 10:21 PM
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Only for certain values of x, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 10:12 PM
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Meanwhile my ex gf once stated 2 contradictorry statements without noticing. Apparently both were true in her mind. Because you've never done this in your entire life. Give me a break. Also it is very possible that her thoughts weren't contradictory, but the way she expressed them caused you to believe that they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 10:10 PM
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Whoa there tiger
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 10:08 PM
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on average equal in every way is just wrong I don't think anyone is saying this. As more upvoted posts have made very clear, bpers and rpers are applying a different meaning to "equal" which is causing a lot of confusion. No sane person thinks men and women are totally equal on average. Just like no sane person would assume that two distinct subpopulations are equal on average...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 10:07 PM
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This is a bad direction for the discussion. Can we say instead that the comparable value of the biological sexes cannot be reliably evaluated? Women are smaller physically weaker but live longer. Men engage in riskier behavior but succeed more. Male intelligence deviates further from the mean than female intelligence does, resulting in more stupid men and more smart men than women. Et cetera... There is no reason to believe that men nor women, on average, are "better" that I can come up with. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 10:05 PM
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Are you talking about equality as if it were identical equivalence? If so then yes men and women are not equal, but then neither are any two human beings you compare. Equality in the sense of equal value as people makes more sense to consider. Men and women are different. Equality under the law has the purpose of granting men and women equal treatment given their differences, presuming that they have equal value: to bolster this assumption, an attempt is made to balance the concessions on either…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:57 PM
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What do you mean you don't believe in equality? Surely any definition of equality that requires biological equivalence is a reductive understanding of what equality is and forces no two people (much less, genders) to be equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:50 PM
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There's one thing I've done for a long time and I'm curious if TRP thinks it's a redpill strategy. Say I like a girl. I show interest in her by talking to her a lot, paying attention to her, and not filtering my dialogue with her to see if she can handle my unabridged self, et cetera. Then, I kind of reel in a bit and see if she pursues me at all, if she was interested enough in our interactions to seek out more herself. If she does, then I respond encouragingly but don't push things forward any…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 09:11 PM
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EQ28/SQ57. Yep sounds about right
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 07:14 PM
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Why is it shallow? And why do you think this embodies his beliefs about life? Life IMO apparently has no deeper meaning. Yes I do think there are modes of human conduct that tend to make things better for humanity as opposed to worse, yes I value intellectual curiosity, et cetera. But that Trainspotting quote really resonates with me. Ultimately I fight an internal battle with myself between rationality and my immediate tendencies. This is a big part of life I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 08:59 AM
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I'm definitely not trying to make you feel like shit so I'm sorry for reacting so harshly. It honestly makes me feel like shit to read comments like yours, too. It makes me feel hopeless or something. But it's all relative I suppose. I do hope you feel less lonely! I guess if you see someone who looks like they haven't had a good chat with a friend in a while, even if they seem a little odd give them the benefit of the doubt unless they give you a reason to do otherwise. There are people out the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 07:19 AM
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Saying you're lonely because you don't get to cuddle with people every night is entitled because it means you've normalized the notion of loneliness so far above what most people consider it to be that you've lost sight of what loneliness can really be like. Some people don't have any fucking friends. It's not just that they don't get to cuddle all the time (boo fucking hoo) it's that they never fucking see anybody ever and it fucks your their head. Cuddling is a perk, man. It should always be v…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 03:29 AM
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Jesus. For periods of years I didn't have this, but I still had friends and didn't think I was lonely or depraved or any such thing. Perfect example of female entitlement right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 12:47 AM
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I don't think i equate it to "putting your money where your mouth is." If I like a girl's personality and she seems to have a healthy attitude towards sex and our relationship is functional, I'm happy. If after a week goes by, or some other short duration, and I find out that despite the above positives, she has had lots of sex my impulse is not to say "A-ha! You tried to trick me and act all well-adjusted, but really you're a slut and our relationship is likely to be unstable!" I say "Oh, she p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 12:38 PM
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I think the answer that they would give and that I toy with would be "society loses." As in, if these people who believe what RP believes are part of this society, then it will affect the norms of society and apply those norms on individuals, who may (as specific individuals who may not naturally fit those norms) find those norms unpleasant. Then people end up with depression and dysphoria and limited life options and they see that as bad. They say, "maybe if we didn't judge girls for high partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 12:30 PM
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I think that the people who give these "non-sequiturs" are looking primarily for stability, dedication, submissiveness, etc. from the relationship and woman and value these things far more than personality compatibility. So, if they can't use things like correlations to weed out potential partners, they are at a loss for what to use that will help them get what they're looking for. How do you know if a girl is going to be dedicated to you and not cheat on you? Well, her personality can't really …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 12:24 PM
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If I'm on a date with a girl, and it comes up that she was wild in college and had a bunch of sex over a 4-year span, it's not an efficient use of my valuable time to learn more about the nature of every one of those sexual encounters to determine her actual approach toward love, sex, and relationships. I'll just find another girl. But hey, if this slut's down, l'll still fuck her. It's not like she hasn't done more for less in the past. What? You seem to be assuming that girls who have lots of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 12:08 PM
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I think the "attributes" of a person do not separate cleanly. People IMO are extremely complicated, they are a mixture of attributes that, when combined, produce emergent properties that are extremely complex and intertwined. The whole of a person IMO is "more" (different, at least) than that person's constituent parts, so much to say that in the attempt to break a person down into constituent parts (i.e. "attributes") we necessarily lose some qualities of that larger person in the process. Just…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 11:58 AM
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What exactly do you mean by an "equalist" relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 07:46 AM
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I don't view it as failing because sometimes (not often, but sometimes) it's out of your control: it depends on her mood and state of mind as I said before. I strive to have a good mutual sexual encounter with my girlfriend, and not focus too hard on the details within. But, I almost always get her to climax too, though usually from fingering/oral as that seems to get the job done a lot more consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:32 PM
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Yeah, so that's bad. Let's try to avoid doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:30 PM
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Healthy for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:30 PM
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Hm, that seems extraordinarily internally inconsistent to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:14 PM
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Inherently, as it is a concept, it is made-up. Whether or not it describes reality is the questions. I think in some ways it does and in other ways it doesn't. But that's a whole different question. Insofar as making women enjoy having dicks inside them less, I think the rationale is that some people develop bad feelings toward men because of what they perceive to be the patriarchy, and then don't like having a dick inside them as a backlash to that negative thing they consider the patriarchy. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:11 PM
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Dude you're talking out of your ass and being a jerk. I have fucked aggressive girls who will blow you and ride your dick by their own volition. Maybe you are a chode, so you make them feel too uncomfortable to do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 09:46 PM
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Just like otherwise you are letting him direct things, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 09:45 PM
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As a very submissive guy, I love blowjobs and getting ridden. Surely there are ways for girls to feel aggressive during sex, and surely the simple direction that your sex organs go doesn't have to completely dictate that. Anyway I think that this is an issue that equally affects men and women, so I don't see it as asymmetrical in that sense. I see it as asymmetrical in, well, kind of an arbitrary sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 09:43 PM
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How about just being honest?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 09:40 PM
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Premature ejaculation still involves having an orgasm. Overall I agree with you but I just wanna make a point here. Premature ejaculation is significantly less pleasurable (the orgasm is much weaker and shorter) and on top of that, you don't get to enjoy the process of having sex for nearly as long, and you feel like a fucking fool to your partner, who also gets less pleasure and sex. Premature ejaculation fucking sucks, there's no way around it. I would say it still produces an orgasm but it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 09:33 PM
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Either they're lying or you've gotten really lucky. It's not about how good you are, it's pretty much random when it happens and has a lot to do with the girl's mood and state of mind it seems. Every girl I've talked to about this except one has said they have only come from penetration very sporadically, if ever. My experiences align with that. I can reliably make girls come from fingering/oral, but from sex it seems to require the stars to align a bit. Even in porn of all sorts. Only very very…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 09:25 PM
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You're wrong. Calling someone a virgin neckbeard is akin to slut-shaming. We shouldn't do either. Stop standing up for people who don't deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 09:19 PM
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Take away the hate and anger from Blue Pill and you have nothing. Actually, you have in a lot of cases a valid critique of the red pill, and you have some comedy. Not on any specific grounds, not for any purpose, it's a community that exists for no reason other than to join in group hate. I'm pretty sure there are specific grounds and purposes for their disdain for trp. For example, the reasons you point out (how trp "hates women" or more accurately dislikes tendencies that women have; or if thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 11:40 PM
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I'm not a redpiller Correct, you are a taint-hole. A hole one might drill into their taint
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 11:32 PM
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Let me add a couple more that involve her words/actions moreso than body language: asks you and only you to go ANYWHERE with her, even if it's just something super trivial like across the room to go look at something on the counter over there playfully negs you (yes aggressive girls do this) sad/annoyed if you leave for some reason; talks less when you leave; looks at her phone when you get up to leave someone says something funny, she looks at you when she laughs though you didn't say it
/r/TheRedPill01/10/14 05:52 AM
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This. If she dances with other guys at a club you brought her to, she's just not into you at all. Move on
/r/TheRedPill01/10/14 05:46 AM
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Maybe she's aware of RP, in which case she understands the subtext of his game too.
/r/TheRedPill01/10/14 05:44 AM
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That's interesting. For girls it's often like, "if you are a good enough friend eventually I'll give you sex" but for guys it's often like, "Once you have sex with me, I'll see if you're worth befriending or entering a relationship with." Two different routes for becoming close to a person...
/r/TheRedPill01/10/14 05:42 AM
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that sounds like a goddamn nightmare holy shit. Maybe putting on bug repellent before bed might help? Yeah dude it sucks. Our apartment is extremely poorly sealed and a shithole in general, and dozens of spiders can find their way in and WILL bite us in our sleep. The solution really is to move to an apartment that's not a massive shithole, which will be happening next year when our lease runs out and we have more money.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 12:57 AM
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I don't want get bitten, they like to make nests in the shoes that I leave out Totally rational reasons to hate spiders. Spiders do bite me in my sleep if there are too many in my apartment and I'm not quite sure how to prevent them from making nests in my shoes without having stupid shoe-cubbies everywhere which is not going to happen
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 12:20 AM
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Not sure why you're downvoted. This is exactly where the genuine issue lies in this situation. Are you telling me that I, as a human being who wants to have sex, must meet some threshold of understanding of body language, or I could be arbitrarily declared a rapist? Are you telling women that, as participants in sex, they must absolutely, 100% of the time, react in a predictable way to sex so long as they consent to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 12:12 AM
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By letting her stay with you, you learn more information about how she feels about you through her body language and actions and words during the time she's there. I say if you're interested, it does more good than harm to let her stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 12:01 AM
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To underreport campus crime and to avoid any negative attention drawn to their school. And (in some cases) to protect students doing things they don't think should be punishable by law in that setting (underage drinking, drug-doing, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 11:55 PM
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TRP: realism. Partners don't just fall into your arms, and relationships don't work just because you have good intentions. TBP: the stress on seeing men and women as people and equals, who don't have radically different ways of thinking and acting. I want to treat my partner as a person, not as some psychologically distinct creature that I'm playing games with. I would rather not be with them at all, than do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 11:50 PM
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If this is how you feel, it's pointless for me to argue with you. My argument, which references the idea of Christian marriage is referencing the factual reality of American history. I'm sorry that it doesn't suit your fancy, but my referencing of the Bible does not invalidate my argument. It doesn't matter what marriage was like in the past, what the original conception of marriage was, or anything else about the history of legalized marriage and where the ideas for marriage originated. It has …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 03:23 AM
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I don't think you answered the right question. The question was about what you would do if you were an admin of reddit, not a mod of /r/theredpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 02:49 AM
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Yeah, thanks for that point. I'm not 100% sure exactly what I'm gonna do yet. I hope in the next few years more options will open up. I'm also looking for a country to live in with better laws about this kind of thing than the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 02:20 AM
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Through his own responsibilities? I still don't get it. That's not being "forced", is it? Men can perfectly well tell their wives that they don't want to have sex with them ever. I don't think that's healthy (borderline cruel and selfish, not 100% sure of my thoughts on this right now) for the marriage, but nobody is "forcing" men to have sex. Are you saying that, in your hypothetical 1 state-mandated sex act per month scenario, that men would also be forced to have sex? Or are you saying that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 02:15 AM
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I didn't ask for your opinion. You asked me to clarify why I referred to the bible; I answered that I referred to it because American marriage is based off of Christian marriage. Whether or not you care about this fact doesn't change it. Well, I'm telling you that your argument sucks in part because you referred to the bible, and whether or not American marriage is based off of Christian marriage does not influence how pointless it is to refer the bible in this conversation. Furthermore it doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 02:09 AM
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Solipsism within the context of a sub dedicated to debating RED PILL is precisely what red pill says it is. Is your next counter that hamsters are rodents? Solipsism is a fucking English word. It's not apparent that it is being used in a different way than the normal way when you use it. This is the same bullshit as feminists redefining racism. I mean, you do not consciously decide to be attracted. No, but that doesn't make it "not rational." Do you understand what the word rational means? And y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 12:13 AM
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Marriage in America is based off of Christian marriage. I don't care. I don't think we should legalize Christian marriage. Citing the bible holds no argumentative weight. See, if this is the case, then men need some legal help. Yes I agree. That's nice, but the problem is, the way we're going, the laws will change to favor women more. That sucks, but it doesn't justify revoking women's control over their own bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 12:05 AM
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Who said there was no discussion beforehand? I'm pretty sure we were talking about a situation where a guy is good friends with a girl already and is also sexually attracted to her...and is at that point in time debating what he should do about it. So...I don't think the scenario you laid out is at all accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 11:24 PM
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I don't get it. Are you saying that women try to force men to have sex with them by saying they'll get a divorce if he doesn't? And that then, when she files for divorce presumably because he didn't have sex with her, that the man is going to lose the rights to his children and home in the process? I mean, I know that divorce isn't equitable, but I don't think it's quite as bad as you're making it out to be. Either way obviously I think that's abusive and completely wrong to do. I don't think it…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 11:15 PM
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You're being solipsistic by putting yourself in his shoes and assuming he's going to feel like you. That's still not what solipsism is -- expecting people to feel the way you do is not solipsism. No, he asked a question. why would you want to have sex with someone who isn't interested? I don't want to fuck someone who's going to be physically resisting and non-participatory. I don't want to have sex with someone who is going to act super bummed out the whole time. So, I'm curious as to why you m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 11:13 PM
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It sucks for you, I agree, don't get married. I was arguing against the rationale not the actual conclusion. Only get married if you care about that more than losing your assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 11:08 PM
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"No way out" is extreme but yes I agree that the legal system is slated against men in marriage. I don't plan on getting legally married but I do plan on having a long-term sexual, child-raising, etc. partner
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 11:07 PM
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You're just being a jerk now. Their point is obviously that men and women working side by side did not receive the same payment for the same amount of work. In fact women received nothing while men received pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 10:35 PM
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I want no part in that notion of marriage. Let's just put it that way
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 10:12 PM
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The difference is twofold: Money and parts of the body are not the same thing A joint bank account implies co-ownership. If you don't want your wife to use that money, keep it in your own account...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 10:11 PM
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Why is the bible being used as a form of justification? Women should be able to deny men sex on the basic principle that they should have control over their bodies. Divorce laws should change.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 10:08 PM
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That's not solipsism. Thinking about what the other person wants and is feeling, and treating them like an autonomous human being, is the opposite of solipsism actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 10:05 PM
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This is the most ridiculous opinion ever. The problems are quite obviously with marriage and divorce laws. Mandated sex is not going to solve the problem. Beyond that, it's unreasonable to force someone to have sex under any circumstances... They shouldn't have to be forced to have sex with their husband to otherwise participate in the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 09:59 PM
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Yeah but a lot of the time they worry that if they do this the girl will find it "creepy" and will stop being their friend altogether
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 02:45 AM
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It's possible to become friends post-sex, if it wasn't a torrid love affair/serious LTR. I'm friends with both of my ex-girlfriends I had longer than 2 years. And friends with two other ex-girlfriends who were serious to me too. But I know I'm weird in that way
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 11:22 PM
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Okay, maybe the phrasing wasn't great. Can you go ahead and answer the question anyway? Do you think a man should lose respect for a woman if/when she puts the man's dick in her mouth?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 10:37 PM
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So sad. I knew a girl in college who baked truffles for the campus student-run bakery. She was amazing at baking anything and everything, she would regularly have multiple-pound blocks of high-grade chocolate shipped to her dorm room. Dating her (and staying friends after she broke it off with me) was the best thing ever. She was a sweetheart, but she also got me into shape (she was super athletic and I'd exercise with her) and provided me with lots of delicious treats. A year after all this hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 10:36 PM
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I could do most of that expensive beta orbiter stuff alone and save all that time and money. Doesn't this kind of imply that girls are always going to suck your time and money if you're friends with them? My friends who are girls bring me baked goods and repack the piece while I'm playing smash. Likewise I invite them over for dinner and cook for them sometimes and play music they like when they come over. It's a pretty mutual experience. Actually the baked goods might tip the experience in my f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 09:26 PM
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Purple Tons of female friends. Maybe slightly more than half of my close platonic friends are women. Women are awesome. I get along with them super well. I will say that not all women who I want to be friends with, want to be friends with me back. some of them seem to think I'm coming onto them (I'm not) so they back out slowly from interacting with me. Whatever, I guess I can understand why they might find my interest in them as solely a friend a bit odd, though it is kind of irritating when th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 09:06 PM
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Explain the exact reasoning you used to transmogrify "undermine his leadership and dominance " and "few women will be able to maintain deference and respect" into "never lead normal, adjusted lives" Explain the exact reasoning you used to transmogrify "submissive in the bedroom" to "[lack of] deference and respect in everyday life." Also posts like your first response to the OP scare me. Do you similarly lack deference and respect for a woman if she puts your dick in her mouth? Why should any se…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 08:42 PM
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He did. It's not the truth, it's your opinion or personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 08:38 PM
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A subset of red pillers really believe that they know what other people think better than those people themselves. It's kind of messed up but I am happy when arguments with them reduce to that because it pretty much means they lost the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 08:38 PM
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I guess I just feel like there are other aspects of relationships that are more important to me. I'd take a girl I'm more compatible with personality-wise who has a high appreciation for my sexual performance but maybe doesn't consider me #1, versus a woman who i'm not as compatible with but who does consider me #1. So it's just not the most important thing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 09:28 PM
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I feel like it's too obsessive. If I'm too worried about being literally the single best lover my partner has had, I'm distracted from other parts of the relationship and might end up freaking her out. Granted I'm not saying I'm going to stop trying to be the best lover I can be. But if all else is going great in a relationship, I'm not going to annoy my girlfriend by asking her over and over "was the sex better than it was with that one guy yet?!?!" I feel like that's counterproductive and is j…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 09:10 PM
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And I also see something deeper - you can't change the past. Even if I could I wouldn't though. I don't want to fuck with her autonomy. You're closer to your situation than anyone else, and only you know all of your own desires, hopes, fears, etc., so you're in the best position for making your moves. Not random BPers or RPers on the internet. I guess this is one reason I find RP distasteful. They have a habit of telling people what they want and believe, as if they know what's best for a person…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 08:52 PM
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Translation: I undervalue the accomplishments of women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 08:47 PM
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part of the experience of the male sexuality/male ego is the desire to be the best lover your significant other has ever had Can't speak for all men but I have definitely felt this. Since then I have tried my best to stop thinking this way because it's super irrational. It's been successful. And of course like others have said just improve my sexual performance!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 08:25 PM
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I suppose there's two issues there. One is that many guys just feel an initial revulsion to a girl with a lot of partners, and aren't basing that feeling on statistics. To that extent, it's just a basic preference and it's hard to tell someone to just drop the preference. Why do people feel this way though? Is it a preference shaped by society, or something innate? In my opinion it's healthy for people to try to break free from preferences like this. I think they're at least in part irrational. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 08:19 PM
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Haha. I've thought a lot about this actually and obviously I would not be happy if she started going around having sex with other guys. But, two points about how I feel (since you seem at least semi-interested): If our personal and sexual relationships stay fixed, other things she or I do aren't as important to me. If other things she or I do (platonic or non platonic things) do affect or personal or sexual relationship, then that's when it becomes a problem. So, I would actually care more if sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 08:03 PM
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Dang. Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:54 PM
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Sexual partners, sometimes a few encounters with the same guy. Sex with 6 of them. So can you point me in the direction of where the stats say that promiscuous women are bad in long term relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:43 PM
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We're not in TRP so what is your point? I think it's weird how fixated on sex you guys are. I think it's actually harming your chances to be so overtly into sex for it's own sake. I'm not giving tips on how to be sexless friends with women, I'm answering your goddamn question. My goal is not solely to get my dick wet because I'm not shallow and misguided. My goal is to enjoy my life and that means having some sex with girls I want to have sex with, and also being friends with people I like on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:40 PM
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Er...well I guess this can be a conversation we save for another time but I honestly disagree with you pretty strongly and think you're making big overarching generalizations. I think how "promiscuous" girls are (how much casual sex they have) does not have a direct impact on their attractiveness and their ability to participate in a LTR -- and even if it does, that should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis because otherwise you're arbitrarily not dating girls who might otherwise be great for …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:36 PM
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Yes you weirdo why wouldn't I be
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:33 PM
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Yeah. Sure we could all try to tailor ourselves to be as attractive as we possibly can to the opposite sex, but doesn't that come with a high opportunity cost? I'm now exerting all this effort to act like a different person from my actual self. Seems like a lot of work for minimal payoff, and so that you can start attracting people who don't actually like you for your genuine self, but instead for this guise you're putting on. Seems like a recipe for bad long term compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:29 PM
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Yeah dude when I was 18 I completed my high school relationship, which lasted over 2 years. I don't think 8 months counts at all, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:22 PM
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Sorry haven't seen the movie
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:22 PM
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Also, "aggressive" is different from "outgoing" "not shy" and "bold". She's not being horribly precise (and I'm sure she never expected these snippets to be compared out of context) but I read this such that she doesn't want to be made uncomfortable by overly-aggressive and pushy guys (left), versus she still like socially outgoing people in general that are fun to be around and talk to, in particular guys that she meets (right). Not contradictory. Not wanting guys to control people is different…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:21 PM
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Uh...yes I suppose? I had as much sex as I wanted to in the relationships that were sexual. Sometimes I just end up being friends with girls by our mutual decision, which is perfectly fine with me. Let me put it this way: sharing my insecurities and thoughts with girls, at appropriate times, has never ruined or prevented a sexual relationship for me. And if it did, I don't think I'd want to be with that girl anyway... You red pill folk are so fixated on sex...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:13 PM
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You did "judge" her, you just adjudged her actions as acceptable rather than unacceptable. Okay. The message is that promiscuity is a trait that correlates with a lot of negative issues in the context of a LTR. Do you have any support for this? Anyway, 9 partners in a year doesn't translate to promiscuity to me. Also, you mean only for women, right? Or does this statement apply to men too?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:09 PM
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I guess I"m just not sure why you believe that. And I think we should be extra careful to make people know that they don't need to conform to those gender roles, if it is unnatural for them and messes them up to try to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 07:06 PM
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Seriously, that's ridiculous. And totally not accurate. I am not even quite sure how me having more money is supposed to have any impact on the girls I'm attracted to. Frankly there are thinks I care a lot more about, in a girl, than how she looks. Yes I do want my girlfriend to be attractive (and she is) but that's honestly not the primary reason I'm with her or even close. I genuinely enjoy spending time with her and value her for what she has to say, what she incites me to do and what we do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 08:46 AM
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Yeah fuck me for caring about more than looks amirite
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 05:44 AM
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Your opinion is not relevant to whether or not these people are innovative or literary geniuses. Also, Margaret Atwood is one of my top 5 authors of all time. I honestly consider her mind-blowingly innovative. I love every novel of hers that I've read. Also the fact that Rowling is a children's author is irrelevant to those traits as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 05:27 AM
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Sheer hotness is not part of my criteria but this statement is just not true, unless Emma Watson weighs under 28kg
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 05:24 AM
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I have a lot to say in response to this but not that much time so I'm gonna keep it short right now and expand upon it later. What you're saying does in fact make sense but it precludes an important aspect of relationships for me: genuineness. I don't want to have some master gameplan for my attitude in a relationship, I want to feel comfortable being myself. I feel like all this choreography would ruin my ability to relax and truly savor the connection I have with the other person. I guess you …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 05:23 AM
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That doesn't mean you have any idea what I think or believe
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 02:16 AM
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Making arbitrary assertions about what I would or would not believe or think is not helpful for discussion. One of my biggest problems with red pillers is that they claim to know what other people are thinking/believing better than those people themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 01:43 AM
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Very much so and thank you! I hope what I said makes sense. I think it's a shitty thing that people feel like they can't talk openly about their sexual partners without feeling like they're going to be judged. This is something I'd like to see changed by things like feminism, if possible -- cultural attitudes towards things like this that people feel like they can't be open about. The more openness, the healthier relationships get IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 01:34 AM
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You also demonstrate natural masculine behaviour, but you don't realize it. There really is nothing blue about you. Er, well, thanks I guess. I'm not quite sure how you can say that about me without actually knowing me, though. I guess where I disagree with TRP the most is in how they perceive and treat women. I wait for women to come onto me before I make any moves. I back off if they show any hesitation with moving forward sexually. I like being the little spoon. I like playing the submissive …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 01:31 AM
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Yeah dude, if I were a girl and I knew a guy was thinking that way about me, it would totally gross me out
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 01:24 AM
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Long way from that at this point but that's where we're both looking
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 01:23 AM
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Okay, well, I'm asking why men would have those preferences. It seems like they're filtering out people arbitrarily. Maybe this is why certain men have so much trouble finding women -- because they're filtering out lots of them arbitrarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 01:22 AM
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*cough* hence why I said selection bias
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 01:09 AM
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Okay this is an interesting response, I think we're getting somewhere now. Anyway this is why I'm purple pill. Yes I do think it's important to be ambitious and confident (hence why I am) but I'm not doing it because girls find it attractive. I'm doing it because I want to accomplish something with my life, and because I make a concerted effort to form beliefs that I think are correct, that I can stand behind. I'm not doing these things to get pussy, I'm doing these things for my own sake. I wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 11:43 PM
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That doesn't make them exclusive though. What about being vulnerable/sensitive makes you incapable of being ripped, confident, or ambitious? Confident is the one I can think of. But I guess people aren't going to be 100% confident all the time OR 100% vulnerable all the time. To me, a healthy blend of the two, at the right moments, seems like by far the most healthy and attractive way to go about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 11:27 PM
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So weird man. I have honestly experienced quite the opposite. When I share my insecurities and my thoughts with girls, they generally share some of theirs back and we have nice interesting conversations. Fuck girls who lose attraction/respect for guys who share their feelings. AT APPROPRIATE TIMES of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 11:25 PM
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Do you have literally any support for these statements besides anecdotal evidence? Because I have anecdotal evidence to the contrary too. Do you think gender roles hurt people like Elliot Rodger, who get confused about them and end up socially and psychologically ruined? You don't think gender roles hurt gay people? You don't think gender roles hurt people who aren't interested in being the kind of person you'd have to be to fit them, people who aren't even that interested in relationships and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 11:23 PM
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The reason I said selection bias is because I hang out with people in upper academia all the time (being a grad student and all). I'm not ripped, I guess I'm fairly ambitious and confident. But I talk about emotions and feelings and shit all the time. I also am probably a lot more socially awkward than a lot of people and I'm extremely extremely open, even with people I don't know well at all. So maybe the fact that I've had perfectly fine success sexually despite not being a traditional alpha m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 11:13 PM
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People keep bringing up "ripped" "confident" "ambitious" and other similar examples of "masculine traits" but REALLY what I want to know is, are these traits mutually exclusive with the vulnerability and sensitivity that Emma supports and wants guys to embrace? Are these two sets of traits mutually exclusive? I don't see why they would be...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 11:11 PM
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But how do we know her boyfriend isn't a vulnerable/sensitive guy, despite being an attractive rugby player? Are we just assuming here? And your AWALT might be generally true but not without exception. The counterexample being my girlfriend, I guess, since all we need is one. But I'm sure there are plenty out there. I want to try to clarify a tiny bit, though. Nobody likes people who are vulnerable ALL THE TIME in the sense that they are nervous, anxious, and constantly interjecting otherwise no…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 11:01 PM
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Amen
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 10:56 PM
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Er, is that true though? I don't have much more than anecdotal evidence of myself and my friends but we don't really act like traditional masculine types and we have gotten our share of sex. Is it selection bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 10:55 PM
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haha what Counting hookups and shit 10 sounds about right for someone in their mid-late 20s. Hell, that's around where I am. Counting sex yeah it's a bit lower but I think it's kind of absurd to use 10 as a cutoff. You're basically saying people shouldn't be allowed to hook up with other people as they wish while single, even while being safe and shit. My question is why the hell not?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 10:51 PM
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Some men would believe anything over 10 to be too much. Do you really want to be with a guy who thinks this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 10:46 PM
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I'm coming from a slightly different place but I agree that it's immoral to lie about your partner count. If the other person doesn't ask you don't have an obligation to disclose, but I think that if you are in a serious relationship with someone and they ask you a question like this, they can justifiably want an answer from you. They want to know about you and your sexual history, your tendencies and your attitude towards sex in general. They want to know what your past experiences are to give …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 10:43 PM
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I don't follow. How is that repulsive?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 10:28 PM
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Where is the GREAT female literary genius RIGHT now Margaret Atwood J. K. Rowling
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/14 09:30 AM
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So...you think the best course of action is for her to go against what she is saying he should do, and just aggressively try to have sex with her? On principle I can't condone that. First, it flies in the face of her expressed wishes. Second, the potential for harming her more seems to outweigh the potential for good to come of it. I don't think it's right to distrust people about their own selves. If they can't be honest or if they can't figure out what they actually want or how they actually f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/14 07:51 PM
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Yes dude I see your point. Just because the onus is on the abuser doesn't mean that I think abusees shouldn't exert their volition to get out of the relationship. I wouldn't blame them per se if they didn't, I'd more consider them highly misguided, perhaps mentally/emotionally unwell, and ultimately working against their best interest. The reason I'm using language like "onus" and "blame" when referring to the abuser isn't to say that we should expect them to stop. It's to say that, in terms of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/14 05:34 PM
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He's a utilitarian I think, so net good/suffering, or weighted net good/suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/14 06:27 AM
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Let's assume your statement is correct and he is a "disgusting syncophant" (nice ten cent word btw, not being sarcastic at all _) and she has identified this and it is why she isn't having sex with him. Why doesn't she just break up with him, then? Clearly she's not getting what she wants out of the damn relationship, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/14 06:12 AM
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This. If she wanted him to be more aggressive, wouldn't she just tell him that, at least at some point, instead of allowing them to go to therapy and all this other shit just so she can maintain her hamstery guise? Absurd...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/14 06:10 AM
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Of course he should dump her. She's vastly more trouble than she's worth, which is almost nothing, given she fucks him once every three months. Haha am I allowed to just lol at things I read in this sub? I'm not trying to be a dick, I really did think this was funny. > implying worth is exclusively or primarily constituted of how much she fucks him Seriously dudeski, I agree that this girl is more trouble than she's worth. But it's not just because she won't put out, it's because she's got emoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/14 06:07 AM
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Why the hell this false dichotomy? I have never had to be a bit of a prick to get laid. When women want to have sex with me they make it pretty apparent. No I haven't had sex with fucktons of women, but to be honest having sex with fucktons of women isn't really a high priority for me. No the sex wasn't begrudged either. It was super enthusiastic and fucking sweet, brah. No I didn't just lay there inert while she happened to hop on top of me and do all the work, so yes I did instigate some thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/14 06:02 AM
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I have no desire to "master" such women... I'm perfectly content having sex with women who want to have sex with me for reasons other than because I'm "sufficiently an asshole about it"... Who seem to be plentiful enough. Where are all these women who only have sex with you if you're an asshole? I might have ran into one once, but to be honest the whole wanting me to be an asshole thing kind of made me uncomfortable and not into it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/14 05:58 AM
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Maybe one way of seeing why people disagree with your argument is to consider Occam's Razor applied to this statement. What's more likely: that a woman who seems to be disinterested in sex is doing it because she is disinterested in sex, with him or in general (what she is showing with her actions) she would theoretically like to have sex but abuse makes it physically/emotionally hard for her to deal with it (what she is saying with her words) her words and actions constitute "hamstering" to try…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/14 05:54 AM
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No. So I get your point, but from a third-person perspective the blame for the abuse should be placed on the abuser. From a pragmatic perspective, if the abuser's ways cannot be changed (by whatever means), then yes, the abusee should leave the relationship for their own benefit. And yeah, I would suggest to a man or woman who was being abused that they should leave the relationship. Let me ask you a question though: do you think he thought he was being abused and that it was in his best interes…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/14 05:43 AM
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So according to the author, anyone who's not a "bad boy" will not be "easy" to be with while you're alone with him will not make you feel good about being wanted will only be alright to be with when you want to settle down is not honest, and is sensitive is boring The notion of conflating not being a bad boy with all these things is absolutely ridiculous. Guys exist who are not dicks, yet who are still, I dunno, interesting human beings to be around? What the fuck is a bad boy? tl;dr the author …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 10:02 PM
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That's true, but the last thing someone needs to hear when they think it was their own fault that they were raped, is "hey you could have prevented it"
/r/MensRights01/02/13 05:07 AM
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I'd love to know who advocates that it does give them the right. No one does. Did I say anyone did? I also think it's blindingly obvious. Its more an aspect of a few very sick individuals who actually partake in forcible rape. They are either severely deprived individuals or sociopaths. Both of which, are not reading your rape posters nor engaging in "rape culture" dialogue. They create the social atmosphere where women can't dress scantily without fear of being raped. That's the aspect of socie…
/r/MensRights01/02/13 04:28 AM
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Why, because to rape them you'd have to take their clothing off? Err, I guess I kinda do have to agree with that at a straightforward level. But "slutty" clothing isn't really easier to remove than non-slutty clothing. And if you find it easier mentally to rape women who are wearing "sluttier" clothing, I'd say you were a fucked up person. Thanks for making me think about the matter a bit more though
/r/MensRights01/02/13 04:24 AM
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I intentionally missed your point because, despite your own beliefs to the contrary, you missed mine, wink! Is it stupid to walk down the street naked? Yes at least in some ways, but because it's illegal, IMO. Not because "you're more likely to get raped if you do." I don't think the real issue here is about walking down the street naked. I think the OP was hyperbolic on purpose, and their point is valid: even if it's stupid to walk down the street naked, it still doesn't give the right to rape …
/r/MensRights01/02/13 03:09 AM
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Nope. I've streaked before, and I thought it was hilarious. Believe it or not, I didn't think it was stupid.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 02:49 AM
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If it can affect the outcome it's evidence; if it can't who cares if it's admissible? At worst it'll make the defence look stupid. I think things can affect the outcome incorrectly. You're assuming that the judge and jury are going to react to all information properly. I can imagine using all kinds of rhetoric and red-herring commentary to sway the judge and jury's actions and opinion during a court case. That doesn't mean that all that rhetoric is evidence. I'm not saying that I know the magica…
/r/MensRights01/02/13 02:42 AM
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If a piece of evidence can be used to acquit someone of a crime and you want to reduce it's impact then you're... sorta are going at it from a point of view of "better to convict the innocent." Since evidence for the defence either casts doubt on guilt or doesn't, blocking any evidence that could increase the probability of the jury finding the defendant innocent is going against the presumption of "better a hundred guilty men go free..." You're assuming that this so-called "evidence" is in fact…
/r/MensRights01/02/13 01:53 AM
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Hanging up a poster that pokes fun at every man who uses the bathroom... How is that lowering society's respect for men? How does it relate to respect for men in any way whatsoever? Men are not demeaned by this poster in any way, and nobody said that the person who hung the poster up thinks that men with tiny dicks are shitty people or should feel bad. The whole point is the silly social commentary that's created by it. This poster isn't mistreating men. You're reading it that way. It's a JOKE, …
/r/MensRights01/02/13 01:21 AM
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Hahaha, prime-time news? Yeah right. Honestly, I don't have an issue with posters like that either. Some people do, but they are not me. I also don't have a problem with the poster in the OP.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 01:18 AM
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In a jury trial you're asking people to judge the woman's state of mind from the outside. What are they going to use except outside cues? Such as behaviour and dress? (I notice you dropped the stronger relationships for the weakest one-dress.) I think it's a tough issue. I can imagine women dressing scantily and acting sexual, and only wanting less-than-sex interactions with people. What if in the same court case a woman said "I was looking to make out with some guys and possibly engage in sexua…
/r/MensRights01/02/13 12:58 AM
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My point is that rapists, like wolves, don't listen to arguments about what they should or shouldn't do, and non-rapists might listen, but don't need to hear them. No, rapists are people too. Are you saying that every rapist is unchanegably a rapist? How is that true at all? I never said "men". I said humans. The fact that we are discussing rape and you automatically think "men" reveals a thing or two about your prejudices. You might wanna do something about that. This whole discussion is framed…
/r/MensRights01/02/13 12:44 AM
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A feminist might equate this message to the phrase "the patriarchy hurts everybody." If you hear one of them say that, perhaps it might be useful to try to bridge your and their understandings of what each other means through discussion, instead of assuming they are insane because they believe in "the patriarchy." the question here is, why did these social norms come to be and how do we reverse them?
/r/MensRights01/02/13 12:38 AM
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What do you mean, "stupid?" She's allowed to decide how many and what preventative measures to take. Maybe she's trying to prove a point. Maybe she's trying to show society how woman should be able to act. Maybe she's refusing to bend to the fact that she's judged by her appearance in unfair ways. Maybe you're oversimplifying her attitude towards the situation.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 12:23 AM
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I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Seriously, I don't. All I know is that, like you pointed out, men are not wolves, and should be able to process the fact that they can't rape people, and control themselves. Sadly some do not, and still rape people, and this is bad. What is not bad is the fact that some women want to wear scanty clothing. There is nothing inherently wrong with that.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 12:12 AM
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why are we not allowed to so much as suggest that she made some really poor choices? The point is the social atmosphere created by it all. If all we do is focus on telling women not to get raped, are we really addressing the issue that men rape lots of women at a societal level? No, we're reinforcing their behavior by teaching women to make its effects less visible. People who want to rape will still exist, and they'll only find trickier ways of raping people. Is the fact that the rapist had no …
/r/MensRights01/02/13 12:06 AM
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This analogy breaks down because women and cars are completely different. Women aren't "easier to rape" because of the clothing they're wearing.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 12:03 AM
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But it indicates a greater probability that a resultant sex act is consensual No it doesn't. It has no effect on consent. It indicates a greater probability that the person wants some kind of sexual encounter (maybe far less than sex), and indicates that it might be reasonable to ask. But it doesn't indicate anything about how likely they are to consent themselves! There are way too many other variables, and the woman's own VOLITION, that play a role. But it, again indicates a greater probabilit…
/r/MensRights01/02/13 12:02 AM
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