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This makes no sense. I wish y'all would stop overusing the word 'accountability' and making it painfully obvious that you i) don't actually grasp what it means and ii) are projecting your own inability to take responsibility for your actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 02:07 AM
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Lmao people have no idea what accountability means. It's very embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:47 AM
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Yes they are. there's ample evidence that self reporting, especially when done anonymously, can be generally trusted. You want to believe all women are flagrant sluts no matter what. It's the incel in you, you can admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:05 PM
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I’m begging you people to learn the definition of a “need”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:29 AM
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Latest data suggest a solid proportion of female cheaters are revenge cheating. But yes, many are cheating due to relationship dissatisfaction
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:29 AM
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Do you think people ask for permission before they cheat or are you trying to be funny?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:28 AM
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Women can actually hide affairs. Men cannot hide deception beyond one-night rendezvous on a vacation. And even then…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:27 AM
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Brain dead comment. What man is managing to hide cheating beyond a 1 time thing on a foreign vacation? (And if it’s just once with someone who doesn’t matter, did it actually happen? More so, was it actually because he’s in a dead bedroom?) No man is concealing a long term affair from the person he lives with who is anal retentive about dishes and notices a speck on the counter from a few yards away .
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:25 AM
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Yeah you guys regurgitating this same answer are missing a key distinction - the bitter and broken hearted are not the same as people who genuinely despise the opposite gender. True misandrists are at the forefront of anti-men, anti-marriage, anti-coupling movements and ideologies. The “men are trashers” simply just got cheated on for the 11th time. This can’t be said for misogynists. I don’t think there’s any woman-hating distinction of man that actually correlates with not actively pursuing wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:20 AM
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Your circular incel logic is hilarious. You get to assume women are flagrant sluts and then reject the ONLY type of evidenced based methodology that could possibly test that theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:13 AM
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This is the take, but make it gender neutral. The available data suggests people w low body counts are pairing with eachother in most instances (that seems to track logically - young couples & the religious, yes?). The type of person okay with a high body count probably has a high body count as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:08 AM
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Why are you lying? Women don’t talk about promiscuous men as nearly as disgustingly as men talk about promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:06 AM
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Please touch grass. I’d be a millionaire if I had a nickel for every woman I’ve heard call an attractive romantic or sexual partner a dumbass. This is like a regular critique women have of exceptionally attractive men, in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:03 AM
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Heterosexual dating is inherently more risky for a woman. That doesn’t mean men face zero risk, but it’s not even arguable that proximity to the opposite sex in any context, let alone a sexual or romantic one, is riskier for a woman. Women get pregnant, catch STD’s easier and face way more risks from the impacts of STDs, and face far more negative social consequences to being seen proximal to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:59 AM
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This made no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:55 AM
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Your point wasn’t avoided, you just ignored the obvious analogy - men don’t leave relationships unless they have something lined up because they don’t have the options to, not because they don’t gain socially from being seen with different attractive women. A man decisively ending a relationship is a pretty stormy indicator he has a replacement lined up. Like she implied, unhappily coupled men, on average, just quiet quit their relationships (my theory is because most men still get some type of …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:54 AM
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what is you guys point when you say this? A lot of people get burned when they open up, period. Thats life and a risk of vulnerability. You don’t think men weaponize women’s vulnerabilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:32 AM
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How did you manage to draw an equivalency between a brother and a bar?
/r/MensRights03/04/23 08:58 PM
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Where the option for “I cheated and this caused my divorce”?
/r/Divorce_Men03/04/23 08:53 PM
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What exactly does it say about her character when she wears similar clothes that her friends do?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:04 PM
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Depression is a real medical condition. You wouldn’t expect someone with a broken back to perform the way they did when they were healthy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 07:30 PM
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“This is something that actually has changed”. Not only is this untrue, I don’t even think you believe it. Nurses and doctors TO THIS DAY inform women diagnosed with chronic or terminal illnesses to prepare to be abandoned by their spouses because it’s still very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:39 AM
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1) She didn’t sit around all day. She cared for her children. 2) I’d expect a partner to help carry the extra load in support of their struggling partner for as long as they could. This guy didn’t do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:36 AM
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1) I just explained to you why. PPD is uniquely intertwined with other life altering human conditions that a regular degular bought of depression is not. 2) babies sleep intermittently with no guarantee of when or if they will remain asleep. Caring for them is exhausting. Not to mention doing it while healing
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:35 AM
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Umm PPD is a pretty unique situation. It’s a mental health issue intersected with healing from a major painful medical event intersected with caring round the clock for a helpless baby. Wtf are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:06 AM
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Because literally no one claimed that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:04 AM
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No it’s not. Stats show men are way more likely to abandon terminally ill spouses than women, to a significant degree. Your anecdote barely represents most relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:51 AM
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It’s baseless nonsense. Men are way more likely to abandon terminally Ill spouses than women, just as a single example.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:49 AM
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She was recovering from birth and the subsequent mental health issues. He had the extra time and energy to support her and carry a little extra weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:42 AM
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They literally hate us while being confused why they have no luck with us lmao it’s so comical to watch in action because the dots never connect for them. They want to be successful with women while hating our guts and it’ll never not be funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:48 PM
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I’ve seen it on this site plenty and have heard it in real life plenty. A 40% ratio in a room full of 100 people is 40 women. Most men are duds to women. In that same room very few of those men are your competition if we’re being real. I didn’t claim It’s an ideal split but it’s definitely something to work with. This entire response must be for someone else. When did I once say men don’t have to try? Like you’re literally making things up that I didn’t say dude But for the record - again, as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:46 PM
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He’s following me around this thread to antagonize me lol leave the sexless loser to be a sexless loser in peace
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:34 PM
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If OP is objectively unattractive then that means his friend group is to. Hot women are not letting an clear uggo orbit unless he’s doing something stupid like bankrolling all the hangouts or hooking them up with dope social events (haven’t gotten the impression that he is) And I sympathize with the racial element - I’m an attractive black woman in mostly white social circles, I have to work so much harder to get half the attention white girls get. That said, building relationships is work that’…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:32 PM
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One of the other people is a woman and the other man is more physically attractive than him. My spidey senses tell me that your next question is going to be if he’s a millionaire. The answer was implied. Your victim brain is working in overdrive though
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:27 PM
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Also, the advice is to join clubs. Not join clubs just for women. Modern men are lonely, isolated and sad. Literally join a club to be less miserable of a person and build social skills because surprise surprise not being a miserable weirdo with bad social skills does in fact help you be a better dating prospect whenever the opportunity to connect for a woman does materialize for you. Not liking women is easier though
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:25 PM
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It doesn’t matter what I say you’re committed to validating your own victim narrative. But for the record - He is by no means the most attractive man in the league that I fraternize with on game days. HE HAS AVERAGE LOOKS AVERAGE HEIGHT AND A GREAT PERSONALITY Jesus Christ
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:22 PM
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No any guy wouldn’t say that. Men literally give this same advice to men all the time. But I’m A woman and you have contempt for my kind so I’ll shut up now. Not that interesting. Even 30-40% women is a good ratio to work with. Especially bc her brain is vetting you against the men in that same auditorium so you really just have to stand out amongst a sea of duds by idk having a decent personality Your brain did glitch and your contempt For women is clear and obvious. I’m an attractive fit black…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:20 PM
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Nah that’s just your victim brain trying to validate why you don’t put any work into your social life and instead choose to whine. But since you must know - It’s actually a 3 person team and the man in question is nowhere near being a Chad. He’s average height average looks but we’ve built great rapport over the last few weeks. You can’t imagine a man being liked for being chill, funny, and having a great personality because you have a bad one. Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:12 PM
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1) i am a woman I just told you that the guy I’m currently fixated on is a man I’m with once a week as a part of a sports league. 2) the league is like 40% women. 3) I said join clubs, it doesn’t have to be a sport. That said my summer coed volleyball leagues are packed with fit women. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 60% women. 4) Your weird contempt for women literally just made your brain glitch and is the exact reason you have to miserably ask for dating advice on the internet. Get well soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:57 PM
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Joining clubs. I’m in a (obscure sport) league with a guy who’s on my team. I definitely want to Fuck him and he’s clueless lol But yeah the answer is do a think that would innocently put you in proximity with women, week after week
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:41 PM
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Get your head out of your ass and listen to women pls? Creep factor is a real and valid reason we won’t introduce a guy to a friend
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:40 PM
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Lol this takes are hilarious. That anecdote sounds like a girl who think he’s attractive gatekeepint him from the other girl who triggers her jealousy. Yes women do gatekeep men that they aren’t or don’t even want to date btw
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:38 PM
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Glad you got this off your chest but men murdering us and raping is us is in fact and good and sensible reason for us to be Uber selective about which ones of you are allowed to breathe our air. Sorry bout it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:37 PM
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Misogynistic take of the day. Yawn
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:36 PM
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Wtf is this comment? This is how y’all keep eachother single. WHAT EFFORT AND LABOR IS HE DOING? He’s on the inside or a social Circle with eligible women and is crying because they won’t deliver him on a silver platter to other women. Like huh? You know he can do his own work to build rapport with women inside this group right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:34 PM
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Because his contempt for women is blinding him. Instead of doing the work and using this social advantage to build his own relationships within this group he expects the women to do all the work (typical) and serve him on a silver platter to their friends. He’s literally IN THE DOOR and is bitching about not getting a red carpet rolled out for him. It’s pathetic and funny. He’s closer to meeting an eligible attractive woman than the vast majority of men and he’s sad because the women HE CURRENTL…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:32 PM
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It’s hard to read this and understand why you think this isn’t a valuable position for the average guy to be in. No, women who are your friends aren’t going to sell you to other women like you’re a product (I’m not sure why you think women do this to women they are friends with??) but having that level of proximity to a group of eligible women without being deemed “the creep who comes around without an invitation” is definitely a powerful card to have on the dating market place that MOST men wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:21 PM
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Cool anecdotes by the way. The facts are that most families have a woman contributing financially. So you’re wrong - men are often co-opting “their job”. Also, loving this “single dad who does everything yet is conveniently arguing against married men doing anything” schtick. Super believable and real. Wink wink.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 07:22 PM
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no, I’m speaking from pretty accessible survey data on people’s desire for marriage and children. It’s a fact that most men still desire marriage at some point in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 07:17 PM
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1) I didn’t say most men are married I said most men desire marriage 2) the trend is mostly driven by socioeconomic issues, not men “opting out” 3) thanks for ignoring the most important part of my rebuttal lmfao BYE
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 07:08 PM
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Yea and they are all unsuccessful with women OR have clear personality disorders so idk lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 06:36 PM
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There’s nothing Islamic about his lifestyle
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 06:32 PM
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Nah most men are still looking for marriage and child lol. Also - In a culture where MOST women are working and paying bills, yes in fact you men do get to “co-opt us to complete your work” lol. There for, most married men are going to have to pull their weight at home. This isn’t hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 06:26 PM
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Yes it’s still not enough because it’s not enough. It’s inane to try to justify how much is being done now by how little was done in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 03:08 PM
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Again, healthy and well adjusted people don’t think this way. A well adjusted good looking girl doesn’t believe 1) all she offers is her looks, 2) her “superior” looks makes her “better than” her partner, and most importantly 3) her partner’s lack in the looks department means that he brings no other value to the relationship. Source: trust me bro - I’m a good looking girl who has dated plenty of men way “below” my league. They are human beings not charity cases who brought plenty of valuable ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 12:50 AM
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No he’s not. That’s not how normal well adjusted humans relate to eachother.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 10:31 PM
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You don’t date men. Respectfully, you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to what makes a man a decent attractive partner to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 10:29 PM
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God this is so untrue it’s unbelievable. I know like 3 women with an n count that high 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:40 AM
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Women have to be dumb(ish) to be good wives?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:36 AM
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I don’t think game and dating are the same lol I really don’t think you two are talking about the same concept…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:28 AM
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Literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 07:22 PM
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She doesn't have to. She's not being a weirdo by being vague. You're being the weirdo by projecting baseless doubt onto her account of her life Jesus Christ dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 07:20 PM
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Height - 5'7 + Income - $100,000k+. College educated, no exceptions regardless of income. Race (if you have a preference) - Non-American Black (think West African Immigrant), White, or hispanic Body type - taller than me. I like skinny to fat boys, most body types really. No body builder types House/no house - don't care Kids/ no kids - no kids. My profile 29f, woman of color, pretty face, athletic fit body, active lifestyle, great income/ subpar finances (six figure salary, ok credit score, ~$3…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 07:14 PM
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In fairness (a la Patrice Oneal) women have been being told that the men we couple with all but hate our presence if we're not actively fucking or serving them, for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:59 PM
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a lot of people aren’t financially secure until their 30s/40s nowadays. a lot of people also aren't finacially secure until they couple up with someone else and start sharing expenses as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:56 PM
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the typical age gap is 2 years though. So MOST of the young women those guys want don't want them. A bombshell 22 year old is going to choose the BEST of men close to her age before dating a 35 year old. It all evens out in the end. Only the top 1% (in looks, money or status) of men past the age of 35 will bag a quality woman significantly younger than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:55 PM
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which is precisely why i expect it. if i’m going to be in a relationship with someone, i’d like to be able to freely simp without fearing that i’m being taken advantage of. This is precisely it. I'm not looking to receive gifts into perpetuity. I just am self aware enough to know how I express my love and I'll be damned if I give that love to a leach who cant/wont reciprocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:45 PM
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This is such a gross perspective and why so may women are opting out of relationships - you guy's literally admit how your idea of a relationship is having the woman you want but doing as little for her as possible. I get that there are some relationship-y things that one does just because their partner likes it, but 1) if you value your partner, what's with this goal of eventually not doing the things that make them happy? and 2) how would you feel if you partner was actively looking forward to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:44 PM
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Exactly. Imagine not genuinely enjoying doing things for your partner because it makes them happy. And they are confused why women are opting out..
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:42 PM
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Having your "shit together" - reliable stream of income, reliable transportation, reliable and stable living situations Decent set of morals - honest, kind, considerate Effort and reciprocation
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:40 PM
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I’ve met multiple men with cuckhold fantasies who have no shame about it whatsoever
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 11:54 PM
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This. So in essence, a hyper promiscuous man lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 11:50 PM
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“Most women are not sluts anyway” lol thanks for at least admitting this. Wish we could get a consensus on this sub regarding this issue haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:41 PM
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Yes I’m talking about men discussing “body counts” and their related preferences to or around women. I personally haven’t heard it even referenced since my sophomore year of college (outside of this thread). Thank you for the clarification on your perspective though. I now understand the point you were getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:10 PM
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1) horrible approach. But even if it wasn’t 2) you missed the point. Point was: slut tells (besides a woman revealing she’s a slut) are a myth. Nose rings, tattoos, bad relationship with dad, crop tops, heavy drinker, etc. there’s quite literally no reliable “slut tell” in our modern times. None.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:00 PM
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It’s not absurd. I find it weird that you can’t conceptualize that perhaps the men on this thread just grossly overstate how often men are revealing this preference in real life (assuming it actually exists to the extent you all claim it does - again, we wouldn’t know because WE BARELY EVER HEAR MEN TALK ABOUT IT). I won’t doubt your experiences but I’m also an urban dweller, as our most of my girlfriends. We’re all late 20s to early 30s. This…just is not that much of a thing with men above unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:14 PM
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lmfao is this satire
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:39 AM
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Such common sense advice that way too many people are missing these days
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:31 AM
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I love you for saying this
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:23 AM
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Once you stop believing this ridiculous myth that there are ANY valid “slut tells” (besides a woman openly sharing details of her sex life), you people will have a much easier time…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:21 AM
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lol idk man, I live in an urban environment. I think you people grossly overestimate how many men above the age of 23 are asking about N counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:20 AM
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Doubling down: there are plenty of great, marriageable men and women out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:07 AM
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He means it’s the woman’s fault for being manipulated into sex by a man who sold her a dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 11:02 AM
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That’s the thing. Non-promiscuous women absolutely do. So I always laugh when male sluts swear they’ll end up with a Virgin. Not how that works
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:57 AM
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Aka Leonardo DiCaprio lol. It’s not just the wealth it’s the combination of factors. Most men (and I mean ALL men on planet earth except maybe 100 of them out of billions) really could never find a quality woman who is ok with him sleeping with multiple women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 12:09 PM
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I appreciate this comment because I can relate it back to something else I posted on this thread: the propensity of a woman to stay with a man who sleeps with other women almost always has everything to do with her (her self esteem, sense of self efficacy, etc). Like, women get cheated on by poor men all the time! It’s intellectually dishonest to use limited celebrity anecdotes to argue that being rich is what makes women ok with sharing a man. WRONG. Feeling worthless and like you can’t do bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 12:07 PM
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By my own estimation, I have a pretty high mate value (especially for being non white). And no, I’d never consider it. By the way, my dating circle since I’ve left college has been “high earning” educated men. So even amongst these dudes that you guys swear women go crazy for (in reality, high paid urban dwellers - male and female - are just nerds and geeks with good jobs), the answer is no. I’m not sharing. Men are sloppy and selfish. Regardless of the rules establish, if you let a man run arou…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 12:00 PM
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Lmfaoo oh my god…you’re still talking about less than 1% of the population. What aren’t you men understanding about that??? Most men aren’t athletes and most women aren’t the girls athletes go for. Celebs are not representative of regular people!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 11:54 AM
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And most women don’t go for the top 1% of men so this point is so moot
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 11:52 AM
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They see rich celebrity men be serial cheaters and come up with the very stupid theory that women are ok with cheating as long as the man is rich…when the reality is, women get cheated on by poor men ALL THE TIME and stay. A woman’s self esteem and her confidence in herself to fair well outside of the relationship are the primary factors to whether or not she stays with a serial cheater, regardless of his financial status.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 11:48 AM
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Because I will be the only woman in my man’s life. End of story. This isn’t a hard concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 11:41 AM
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Yeah but in the west the most “marriageable” women, at least IMO, are women who have been influenced (in some way) by non-western cultures/sub cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 01:20 AM
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I’ll also add: the gender discrepancy of depression is seen globally. So circling back to my original contention: prescription stats are not indicative of anything specifically wrong with MODERN women (which I assume is a code word for “western sluts”). You can go to fucking Baghdad or Riyadh and find that the 13-64 year old women there also have depression rates nearly doubled that of the men. But alas, the prevailing truth: NONE of this even slightly suggests that men are not also struggling w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:28 PM
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I didn’t assume that. A lot of the discrepancy is due to the hormonal fluctuations that are inherent in the female experience (puberty, pre-menstrual, pregnancy, post-Partum, peri-menopause & menopause, etc.). After age 65, the rates of depression between men and women even out. Before puberty, the rates of depression between boys and girls are roughly similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:23 PM
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Am I the one making this a game, or the guy attempting to make a “look at how depressed modern women are” argument based on prescription stats alone? My point here is that MAJOR upticks in mood, behavioral and/or psychiatric disorders, including but not limited to, depression and anxiety, is not a “modern single woman” thing. Men are also suffering from depression at alarming rates (id argue more-so than women BECAUSE they are less likely to seek help) so trying to make some argument that women,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:09 PM
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There is no universal definition of simp. The manosphere has applied that label to guys in LTRs who treat their partners too well also
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:31 PM
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I’m pro student loan forgiveness but I will agree with you on one thing (that I generally have to fight my fellow progressive friends on): It is objectively NOT progressive to forgive student loans lol literally by definition, the overwhelming number of people saddled by student debt are not poor or working class. That said, I still think there’s a solid argument to un-saddle a large portion of the country’s future middle class.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:16 PM
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I don’t think the massive student loan crowd is over-represented by undergrads who went to a no-name out of state school. If we’re talking $50k+, that can literally be anyone who went to graduate school anywhere. In-state undergrads can easily rack up $20-40k, depending on what they/their parents can reasonably cover. A “poor decision” is not the same as “a decision that was not financially mapped out to precision by an 18 year old.” My sister gave up Stanford for a (admittedly highly rated and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:12 PM
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Women are recorded to have higher rates of depression and suicidal thoughts…because women are significantly more likely to seek help. That reality does not in any way suggest tons of men don’t deal with depression, just that they don’t seek help when they do. If a higher proportion of men are dying from suicide vs women, the point stands no? Men are also struggling with depression at staggering rates, regardless of which gender is more likely to take meds for depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:02 PM
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Again I say to you…look up the rates of suicide between men and women, especially as they age. Lol drop the medication bit, it’s not proving the point you think it is
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 05:38 PM
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Lol why are you cherry picking data around mental health issues? Ok women are on anti-depressants more…probably because women are more likely to seek help? Single men are significantly more likely than women to commit suicide. You people really need to stop trying to make “Single men are happy and single women are unhappy” happen. It’s not going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 05:35 PM
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Lol just like promiscuous men. Cool
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 07:55 PM
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Nope. As the other guy says, Cat B girls out themselves quickly. Cat A girls are the types that can easily lead a life without a proverbial scarlet letter on their foreheads. So by definition, you wouldn’t never know unless they volunteered the info
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 07:54 PM
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Promiscuity isn’t typical. I think the logic still tracks that a critical mass of promiscuous women may fall into the category of women who can compartmentalize emotions and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 07:52 PM
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Very astute observation. I tend to agree. But I still hold that MOST women aren’t promiscuous, so this conversation is overdone
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 07:50 PM
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Men who make money can be considerably more choosy than those without.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 12:36 AM
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Also, there is a world of romance before marriage (and more specifically, kids) is on the table, which includes restaurants, shows, traveling, apartments, cars and other things things that require money…and if you have nice tastes, lots of money. It’s not a stretch that some men who make money dabble in a pool of women that can enjoy the same level of lifestyle/recreation as they can without always having to foot the whole bill, all the time Anecdotal, but in my circle, sure men throw money on d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 12:01 AM
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Your opinion is cool, but not universal. You’re asking why a college educated man (specifically, the type with a degree that yields a high salary) would value college education in a woman? You’re asking why a materially successful man would value material success in a woman? Why a man would value a woman who can a carry herself in the social class & social circles that he has earned himself into? I’m struggling to understand what you don’t understand. Further, one can be educated, high earning a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 11:52 PM
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If you’re in a high earning career, your time investment did not begin at age 22. It began when you started university and chose a major, which objectively demanded more of your time an effort (I.e. pre-med sciences, engineering, finance, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 11:46 PM
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You just made up this scenario in your head. They don’t hate anyone. They simply have a standard for who they would prefer to date and marry. Most came up middle class, my partner grew up poor. In my experience, this is not strange at all for educated high earning guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 11:21 PM
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Idk what you’re getting at? Not trying to change your question, I was trying to answer it from my perspective. Let me know what I’m not understanding…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 11:03 PM
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1) until mid 40s, a woman is still significantly more likely to have a healthy pregnancy than not. 2) most women who are getting married these days are getting married at age 28 or later (average age is 28) so you’re casting doubt on a scenario that is pretty common for people getting married in our day and age 3) your second paragraph is incomprehensible, but doesn’t seem to apply to anything I wrote, I have no rebuttal for that. 4) you didn’t address my point, which was to say, the average hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 11:00 PM
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Most people pair to people proximal to them, not just men. Also, yes men in these tax brackets do specifically seek women with the markers of higher social classes (education, well spoken, solid upbringing, etc.) My partner and his friend group mince no words about how they would never go after women who aren’t college educated and/or worked part time or service industry jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 10:53 PM
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Oh fair, I had on other areas of this thread: it’s a “red flag” because being comfortable with a high body count might indicate that the person has a high body count themselves. For me, that’s a red flag because promiscuity has a positive correlation to infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 10:50 PM
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I didn’t downvote your comment we’re discussing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 10:15 PM
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For both genders, promiscuity has a positive correlation with infidelity. Less valid data suggests that it can impair the ability to pair bond for men and women, more so for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:59 PM
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I’ve never interpreted the meaning of “red flag” to be “this person definitely sucks and should not be dated”. But rather “this is a warning sign that COULD indicate potential negative characteristics that this individual possess”…nothing definite about that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:57 PM
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Multi Gen households are pretty normal lol, me and my partner won’t be looking towards Nannie’s, we will be taking care of our moms so they can help take care of our kids. Normal in our culture
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:30 PM
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Lol exactly. That said, I would not want to be the person that takes full responsibility for the macro direction and management for the family assets either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:28 PM
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Most married parents prioritize family over work, our culture has simply assigned the provider duties to men and the homemaking duties to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:25 PM
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Pursuing a career from age 18 (once you choose your college major) to age 30 or 35 is not a “very short time”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:24 PM
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You seriously sound like a guy who doesn’t rub shoulders with college educated high earners. First: these men tend to marry their female counterparts on purpose, instead of low earning/not educated women. Second: these men typically agree with the decision for the woman to take a step back in her career to support the household when the situation calls for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:23 PM
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A lot of women don’t want kids. Modern men and women want children at relatively the same rates. I’m so lost as to what point you’re making?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:12 PM
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Whatever stats he has to support it will directly correspond with data that shows childrearing and homemaking still overwhelming falls on women’s shoulders, so the point would be moot or a slightly less rational and unironic “working mothers typically don’t balance high stress high paid jobs while doing the lions share of housework and childrearing” point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:08 PM
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The data shows that pairing with a promiscuous man is also a bad idea, as that correlates to infidelity and pairbonding issues as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 06:09 AM
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That is subjective I suppose, based on culture, social circles, etc. I would estimate for the average person, double digits is “experienced” and 20+ partners is creeping into promiscuous territory. The average person will have around 8-12.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 10:56 PM
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The big deal, presumably, is that a critical mass of the men on this thread think that having a high body count makes a woman not wife/GF material. The consensus is that even a high body count man should be looking for a low body count girl for LTR. The implication of the argument I’m putting forth is that If a woman doesn’t at least seem turned off by your high body count, it’s PROBABLY because she has a high body count herself. Again, I think it’s logically tracks: I mean, in what world is a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 10:53 PM
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Disagree. Higher likelihood but my experience does not validate this idea that it’s a rule or default mode for “HV” men to have been promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:16 PM
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Bingo. Soft rule: only promiscuous people tend to not care if their partners are promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:15 PM
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Because the (limited) available data shows that promiscuous people tend to pair with one another more than not, and low body count folks tend to pair with eachother more than not…that would suggest that the only type of woman who HONESTLY doesn’t care that you’re a slut , even a little bit (like she doesn’t even wince when you tell her your high number) is a woman who also got around as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:12 PM
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Yeah Im piggybacking on the last replier: how realistic is it for someone to qualify as promiscuous but also take sex seriously? Im sure it’s possible, but come on..
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:07 PM
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Yes I care a lot. The data: High body count has a positive correlation with cheating. The anecdote: I’ve never met a promiscuous man that was husband material.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:06 PM
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In fairness, she said him not paying was a "red flag". I'm not seeing where she argued that it would weed out violent abusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 04:52 AM
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being a "decent human being" as women and Blue Pillers preach all day long is totally irrelevant to attraction. But this is also patently untrue. It's not totally irrelevant. It just isn't more relevant than a woman being PHYSICALLY attracted to you, and other traits that show you are a smart choice to make a baby with (strength, competence, etc.)...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 02:36 AM
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I mean you guys can continue to hamper past the fact that these women are not well adjusted or wife material, generally speaking. Well adjusted, psychologically healthy women, with options and high SMV are not attracted to being disrespected, disregarded, ignored, and belitted. Full stop. Argue with your friendly neighborhood family therapist. Don't care how many women an "asshole" beds, this group of men are not enjoying healthy, stable LTRs which is the best most men can hope for anyway and wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 02:30 AM
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Precisely. Also, all male promiscuity is not the same. A critical mass of men can bed lots of women if their standards are low enough. "Sexual success" is in the quality of the quantity, not the quantity alone. That is: Leonardo Dicarpio is a (presumably) promiscuous man whose promiscuity can be defined as "sexual success", as he can bed a high number of the type of women he would ALSO LTR with. Your local drug dealer who has slept with 30 ugly crackheads, of whom he MIGHT make a girlfriend out …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 02:19 AM
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Pete Davidson Nah, Pete Davidson benefited from social proof. No one of note dated him before a very attractive globally successful pop-star, and then every girlfriend afterwards was a major celebrity. On top of that, Davidson has gone on record about how sweet and love-bomb-y he is to all the women he dates. He's a funny man that benefitted majorly by top-tier social proof, that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 02:16 AM
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"The most successful" as in the one who can maintain the most healthy and fulfilling relationships, or the one who can bed the most women while both parties are inebrieted but she inevitably blocks and moves on after a month or so of his bullshit?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 02:13 AM
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In simple terms: no. No well adjusted woman is more attracted to any of those behaviors directed at her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 02:09 AM
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The thing is: an attraction to "asshole" behavior, based on a presumed relationship to status hierarchy/dominance/importance, is probably indicative of poor socialization or sublimal trauma. Well adjusted people don't have lots of data points in their life experiences that show correlative OR causative associations of unkind/mean/asshole behavior with status hierarchy. People who were severely bullied by a very "popular" classmates do. People with abusive dad's do. Etc. So at best, assholes are …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:58 AM
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If the woman says "no sex until you give me commitment" to all men, this culture would not exist. True. Women have complete sexual freedom in the West Nope. Social norms and the impact of reputation are way more impactful on women than men. Even in the most "progressive" circles, being known as promiscuous as a woman can still have detrimental effects on her reputation and how she is treated. Do women here like the hookup culture that has formed in Western societies? Nope. But only because heter…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:46 AM
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What are you on about?? No one is advocating for having kids at 70 lmao. Yeah, I should wait to have kids in my mid 30 instead of mid 20s if the difference in those ten years is a better standard of living for my kids, and the sacrifice is less energy to run around the back yard for 2 hours at a time. I wouldn’t prefer 10 more years of life if the cost is my kids living in a shit neighborhood and having a shit up bringing, buddy. That’s actually a very easy choice for me to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 02:18 PM
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Yes yes yes on the parenting expectations part. What the West (read: America) has done to the institution of parenting is an absolute travesty. Parents today spend significantly MORE time involved in hands-on parenting tasks and yet, kids of today perform significantly worse in schools, and possess a smaller degree of independence and life skills than they once had. It’s comically and frighteningly absurd. I was raised by people who grew up in the developing world. I was in college before I beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 11:23 PM
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I’m from one of those countries, actually. The kids of poor people are doing just okay at best. My home country doesn’t lack healthcare infrastructure…poor people just have no money or mobility to get healthcare…or safe housing…or decent education beyond primary school. Takes money to live in the city where non-profits offer offer school for free or the government clinic is within walking distance. My mother had to go around her village to beg for money at age 13 because her father could no long…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 11:17 PM
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Yep. That’s why the old cat lady trope is kind of nonsense in real life. Sure, a 55 year old single woman who desired marriage will be sad that it never happened for her, but she is way more likely to be happy, healthy, and satisfied with her life than a 55 year old single man who desired marriage but couldn’t find a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 10:33 PM
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My thoughts are this: the thing about women isn’t an inability to be satisfied while single, it’s an inability to be satisfied while socially unconnected. Because women are social creatures, they tolerate single hood a lot longer and better than men because their social needs are way more likely to be met regularly through their friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 08:48 PM
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Know what truth? That they are happier in relationships? Most MEN lol have you lived under a rock your entire life? MOST desire relationships for that very reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 08:44 PM
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No. “Nice guy types” actually don’t desire to hookup with new women into perpetuity. Most people beyond the top 5% of men desire healthy LTR. Not being able to keep a girlfriend because you treat them badly isn’t conducive to that. No one with actual foresight and an ounce of maturity would count that as a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 08:33 PM
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Sure but what’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 08:27 PM
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Women crave social connection in general. Yes attention from men is liked, I didn’t deny that. But your average woman is also likely to go crazy during a period when she’s not chatting to her girlfriends regularly lol. Attention from men isn’t some magic elixir, women are just social creatures generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 09:51 PM
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I’m a fairly progressive woman saying this: Fat women’s promiscuity is one of the craziest phenomenons of our time. It’s this endless loop of them 1) being super insecure about being big, and thus, sleeping with any guy who gives them attention 2) being pumped and dumped instead of ever getting the commitment they want 3) to cope with these romantic stings, inhaling fat positive garbage nonsense rhetoric that tells them they are actually happy and secure being fat. Bonus round: men get crucified…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 08:16 PM
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Honestly haven’t found this to be true of tall guys, but DEFINITELY the case for 10/10 good looking guys. My god are they the dullest motherfuckers you’ll ever meet. Most tall guys have only been tall since age 14-16 so at least they developed a personality before puberty came and blessed them. Most good looking guys more or less we’re deemed good looking as grade school kids, which comes with girls chasing them around the playground and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 08:09 PM
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Lol yeah when they are discussing amongst other women. In reality, women use “6ft+” to mean “must be taller than me when I’m in heels”, because it’s easier to say. The average woman is what, 5’5? Which means anything above 6’0 is freakishly tall for her and guys between 5’9 and 6’1 are tall enough to meet their standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 08:05 PM
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Again, how hot you find these women isn’t relevant so I’m not sure why you keep mentioning that. And again, Instagram has half a billion accounts. Your observations are anecdotes and nothing more. You’re haven’t refuted anything I’ve said about the average woman (average in terms of population, not hotness…maybe that’s what keeps confusing you lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 07:03 PM
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First: I never argued any such thing. I called bullshit on your baseless double speak that essentially proclaimed men can be happy single and women can’t be. Second: both men and women are happier when coupled, based on recorded data. Men moreso, but that’s neither here nor there. Human beings who are coupled are happier and more satisfied than those who are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 07:01 PM
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These guys never making any sense is made even funnier by the fact that they try so so SO hard to sound intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:57 PM
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You’re getting unnecessarily emotional and making this weirdly personal lmao. I don’t have a personal Instagram, couldn’t care either way. Looking forward to your next poorly placed attempt at an insult lmao. Again, you’re wrong. Whether or not your think the girls on Insta with the largest followings are average or hot is wholly irrelevant. We are talking about the average woman, most women, and the fact remains that most women aren’t getting “incredible amounts of attention” from men on social…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:56 PM
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I can go without a relationship and have for most of my young life, but moving forward, I choose to be coupled as I know I want marriage and children. I still believe marriage is one of the main cornerstones of civilized and organized society so as an institution, I still believe in it, separate from my own desires to one day participate in said institution. I expected faithfulness, provision (financial, etc.), kindness and dependability out of my partner. My “standards” get more shallow and spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:49 PM
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Wait, if a woman says she can do without companionship, it’s a spinster cope…but you saying you can do without female companionship is 100% legit. Lmao ok. You sound very rational and balanced, keep going.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:42 PM
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No one cares. You see a limited number of “objectively below average looking women pulling hundreds of likes on instagram…” please explain to me how this at all describes a critical mass of western women? Your handful of anecdotes doesn’t negate what I just said: MOST WOMEN get a limited amount of attention from social media, and most of that attention is from women. It’s only the raunchiest of content posters that will mostly get attention from men online. And I appreciate how you’re insinuatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:38 PM
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The average woman isn’t getting “incredible amounts of attention” via social media from men. The AVERAGE woman is getting very limited attention and validation from other women on social media. Most women only have a few hundred people they are connected to online, if that, and most of whom they are engaging with are other women. Even the actual insta models you guys love to fling around as a straw man are still getting most of their clicks and views from women. But a alas, social media wasn’t t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:28 PM
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The only type of man telling me they don’t care are precisely the types I don’t want. All my LTRS have been highly educated men who have explicitly said they cared, and I know for a fact that my current partner would not date someone who was not college educated. My favorite part is when you guys speak on behalf of all men. It really tickles me. Lastly, I actually don’t care much about my education. Wouldn’t have done it if my parents hadn’t made me. That doesn’t make me blind to fact that educa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:16 PM
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I don’t understand the question. But if I was to take a try: idk how I would rank myself but I’m attractive, educated, high earning, and from a good family. I’ve only ever had issues attracting the men I want when I was 50 lbs overweight (I’m not white and have dated men of all races, FYI). Can’t speak to the rarity of me, my social circle consists of women who are basically the same as what I described (as social circles typically do).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:12 PM
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Cute. Good thing all educated women aren’t self important and the data shows educated men mostly pair with educated women, but thanks for sharing otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:10 PM
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HV is attractive but doesn’t have to be a 10. A combination of class, status, looks, and temperament is how I classify HV for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:09 PM
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Who’s more willing to date down wasn’t the topic, and I never argued that in either direction. The topic was whether educated/high earning men consider education and income and status for their partners. My argument is: yes, the data suggests as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:06 PM
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It’s because women have a lot easier time living without sex, attention and companionship from men. The men in PPD try their hardest to avoid recognizing this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:00 PM
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Lmfao ok got it: you started the exchange with the intention of misunderstanding and being purposefully obtuse. Glad to have that cleared up now. Have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 11:06 PM
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Ok…so you’re seeing engineers marrying women without bachelor degrees, en masse? Because I’m not? They select for it. This is clear to anyone willing to admit it. it’s ok. Have a good night.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 11:03 PM
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“I have no other decent counter arguments” would have been easier to type out. And huh? Not one part of my argument claimed that no one dates outside of their social class. What are you even on about lol??
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 11:02 PM
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Yes of course, I never claimed they were unwanted. That wasn’t the argument I put forth..
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:59 PM
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I see you nitpicked the sentence about ancient monarchies right after skipping over what I wrote about plenty of MODERN cultures lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:44 PM
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No I’m not, I’m fraternizing with these types of men (my entire life, by the way), hearing what they say, watching what they do, and reading the data that outlines the trends of their pairing behaviors. This isn’t hard. They care. Not as much as women, but they are absolutely considering education and status of who they marry and present themselves to the world with. My partner wouldn’t be with me if I wasn’t educated. Family full of doctors married to other doctors. Data supports the anecdotes …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:40 PM
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In addition, you’re responding to arguments I didn’t make on this thread. I said “Class >>> Income” which is a categorically true statement when it comes to how human beings pair today, and across human history. You threw in the bit about gender, to make the false argument that class is only a thing in dating because women & wine lol. Which, again: no. I’m from one of those cultures I speak of: there are certain “types” of men I cannot marry, says my father. He’s way more of a stickler on class …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:38 PM
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People have historically married along class lines because they care about class to an extent. Again, with the example of other cultures: Parents will go ten villages over to find a class compatible spouse for their kids vs. across the same village for a less “suitable” option. This is representative of TONS of modern cultures and indicates that the consideration also focuses on social status, access, reputation, and perception, not just proximity. Class consciousness, at the social level, canno…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:29 PM
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My guy you NEED to talk to more lawyers (and STAT if you’re considering the masochistic exercise called law school). Ivy League law only has so many spots lol. $160k for big law with a degree from Yale maybe. No name or state law school with anything less than stellar performance? Yeah you’re not breaking six figures your first year after graduation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:14 PM
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Fair enough, you didn’t mention that. Back on topic: I never said men have a problem marrying down. I said educated men DO care, in current times, as educated women are way more accessible than ever before in human history. Again, “not caring as much as women do” is distinct from “not caring at all”, which are both distinct from “education/status”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:10 PM
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Not sure if this was supposed to be a weird shot at women, but the answer to your question: When it comes to how people actually pair, class wins out more times than not. Beyond western culture, families will care way more about the class assignment of their child’s future partner than any individual young woman would so it’s not even something you can pin on women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:04 PM
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You: “…but as a guy, I would take the girl who spent four years waiting tables over the girl with a 4 year degree.” How is that not stating one is preferable over the other? What am I missing? How is that not a major tenant of your argument lol??
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 09:52 PM
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Yes that’s my exact argument: for most of human history women have not been educated or employed??? Not sure why you lot peddle this ludicrous idea that relationships and marriage are a woman thing lol of course men would still want marriage and family regardless of the pool of women that’s accessible to them. That doesn’t change the very clear trend of how educated men pair when their female counterparts are increasingly more educated (even in my culture which is VERY traditional doctors marry …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 09:50 PM
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You’re wrong. “Normal” college educated men are still pairing with and marrying college educated women. I know on PPD we’re supposed to pretend that male attraction and love is pure and benevolent, but it’s ok to admit that engineers don’t want to marry cashiers. They care. Oh and “caring less than women do” is not even close to being the same thing as “don’t care at all”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 09:29 PM
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No it doesn’t, if you get how stats work: Dating in real life is not people picking randomly out of the entire available population of the opposite sex. It’s people NOT AT ALL RANDOMLY choosing people from a small pool of folks who are typically similar to them in some way. My point wasn’t that being UMC is “easy”. My point is that this post doesn’t actually help anyone (especially western women) understand their individual probability of attracting X type of man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 09:21 PM
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You brought monogamy into this and still you’re wrong about that. Even so, the point you raised was that men only. Care about sex. Wrong. Men who can fuck whoever they want are still likely to want an LTR at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 09:00 PM
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Educated men care about dating educated women. I can’t argue with the rest of what you said as that’s your person opinion and experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 08:52 PM
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As an example, yeah. But class can be split into way more groups than those. E.g. Rothchild’s and Rockefeller’s don’t go for lawyers who aren’t super old money. But I believe the average person’s class consciousness (at least in the west, specifically the US) doesn’t extended beyond blue vs white collar, yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 08:51 PM
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You wasted way too many words on your bullshit. Men don’t only care about sex, not even close. Most people desire LTRs at some point in life, that’s not a womanly thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 08:33 PM
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Well again, according to PPD men, ALL WOMEN FAT, so "fit and in shape" automatically puts her in the top pool of women, physically attraction-wise, yes? Keep them goal posts a-movin'!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 07:14 PM
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Was that supposed to be a gotcha? Because yes, I am talking about serious prospects, not hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 07:10 PM
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Unless she has a severely deformed face, according to PPD men's literal own talking points, her being not fat and not a slob would mean she's attractive enough for most men. But them goal posts ain't gonna move themselves :/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:53 PM
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Reality. Actual real life. Generally speaking, you're dead wrong: based on proximity alone (before we factor in the reality that YES THESE MEN ACTUALLY DO PREFER THESE WOMEN), yes, most educated men on a high earning trajectory are with or will end up with their female socioeconomic counterparts. It's literally how MOST humans on planet earth mate and you guys want so desperately for men with degrees and money to be exempt from this rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:47 PM
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I tell my friend this who acts like the caliber of men I've dated is pure magic. Step 1: Don't look bad, ever - this speaks for itself. Step 2: Professional networking groups/affinity groups - & boom, you'll almost never be around men who don't have college degrees. Step 3: "Refined" extracurriculars & venues - tennis, golf, country clubs, "nicer" gyms, "nicer" bars, etc. Look at that, you're constantly rubbing shoulders with people who are AT LEAST upper middle class. This is the furthest thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:42 PM
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Exactly. The statistically illiterate men on this thread don't understand that simply being born middle/UMC and having a college degree means your access to X type of man increases exponentially, and thus, does the likelihood of you ending up with X type of man. BIG BIG SIGH
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:35 PM
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A bunch of statistical illeterates on this god forsaken thread lmao. I'm not even white and my LIFE LONG dating pool is comprised of <1% men, with few exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:32 PM
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You were the one that suggested the waitress is more preferrable than the college grad, so answer that question for us lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:28 PM
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Class >>> Income. "HV" women go for lawyers (making $80k and saddled with $100k of debt) over $120k+ construction workers all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:27 PM
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That's cool, but that also makes you super rare amongst men who are educated and high earning.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:26 PM
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This. I've come across PLENTY of men (now late 20s, early 30s) who have explicitly said they did not look for commitment 5-10 years ago specifically because they didn't make enough money. Lots of low-earning men take themselves out of the race (probably because they understand that the women they actually want can only be attracted towards the middle or end of their career spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:24 PM
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But it is a small niche, and your anecdotal evidence which is only comprised of the FEW women in your life that you’ve wanted to date doesn’t change that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 05:05 PM
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You guys are literally making the argument for both genders lol: women don’t look for bad guys either, they tolerate badness especially when it comes with good looks, status, and commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 05:00 PM
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That’s the point: this is true of both genders. Women don’t prefer bad guys, they prefer hot ones with status. Whether he’s bad or good comes next
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 04:58 PM
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Bullshit. This is precisely how women get used for girlfriend benefits without the title. Dude gets a fuck buddy and a woman to spend time with him, then gets to waive the “I’m single!!!” flag once she asks about the other women he’s entertaining. Hard pass
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 05:00 PM
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A recipe for being a “girlfriend in name only” (fuck him, spend time with him, and swallow your tears when he yells “why are you so mad that I’m talking to other girls, it’s not like I’m your boyfriend!!?!!”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:58 PM
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True, but true of both genders and I hate when men of color act like it’s only a male thing. I know plenty of black, East Asian and Indian dudes who have trouble with matching, and almost without fail, you’ll eventually find out they rarely try to go after non-white women. Super common in the “bro” (mid to high paid college educated large metro living) circles I’m familiar with
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 04:38 PM
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No they aren’t, but as everyone on this thread agrees, women don’t have to improve their profiles because they don’t struggle with getting matches. Men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 04:32 PM
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Huh? Her central claim is that most men are respectful on OLD…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 04:08 PM
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....? Exactly. A depending on their contract bylaws/how that hospital defines full-time, that would be a move to part-time lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 12:25 AM
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1) You're admitting they scale back their hours which begs the question: what's the functional difference between working fewer hours vs. working part-time in this debate? 2) Once again, they were right. Particularly if we're defining "part-time" as "not full-time" AND actually going by how full-time is defined by hospitals and health groups: full-time vs part-time is not defined by a traditional 9-5 40 hr work week for most doctors. My sister's health group defines full-time as 590 hours/quarte…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 11:51 PM
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You want to compete for the leading role? that's fine but you don't act accordingly. Being the leader means step at the front line take the bullets and put all in for the cause but your leadership ends when the bill for the dinner arrives. Leading is not just commanding but overall taking care of the case aka LTR, leading means make plans, leading means create and follow the budget but alsi financing the budget... again most women do not want to lead, they want to be bossy and give orders at mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 11:39 PM
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Yes, flattering clothing, doing your hair, simple skincare and makeup routine are on the “simple” end of things most women should be utilizing in their lives. I can excuse not being the fittest, but women not being well put together is the one that just irks me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 10:47 PM
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Eh. I think it’s difficult for otherwise intelligent and accomplished women to accept men leading/driving just because they are men…which brings us to the responsibility/privilege breakdown of the person in the “leader” role. All I know is, I’m not splitting anything 50/50 with the same dude who will expect me to change my last name, give children I give birth to his last name, and call himself “head of household”. That math doesn’t work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 10:33 PM
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This is fine and all but TRP still heavily believes in an imbalance of power within LTR skewed in the man’s favor. How can one justify an expectation of female submission while simultaneously trying to enforce a code of “equality”? As someone who considers myself a weird modern/traditional hybrid, I see the “power” exchange of heterosexuality in the way I describe: I’m accepting you as the leader of the relationships because of the many ways in which I expect you to lead/give more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 10:14 PM
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Yes really. I’ll add, women are only able to cosplay “equal” up until they have kids. The stats still show that at that point, they take a huge step back from work and do the lionshare of domestic labor. In modern times, men are paid back for their “unequal” contribution once they become father.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 10:10 PM
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Can you expand on how men can create a society that facilitates their interests + what those interests are?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 10:07 PM
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None of her options are in her best interest except doing the work to look better and trying to be as un-insufferable as possible. That said, for most women, looking better is enough. I will die on the hill that not maximizing your physicality is one of the dumbest things any woman can do in life. Quite like not taking advantage of your employer’s 401k Match, it’s throwing away 20-30 years worth of privilege in dating, career, and life in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 09:58 PM
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I appreciate that perspective, but I got the impression that your original comment meant “men should be the prize” in the relationship. But yes, I agree that both people seeing eachother as a prize is the ideal scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 09:50 PM
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It’s really simple, only take advice from these type of people (as a straight person): person of the same gender who is currently having the type of romantic success you would like to emulate person of the opposite sex who embodies the type of person you would like to one day end of with any person with specific negative experiences advising you on what not to do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 09:47 PM
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I don’t think I’m following your argument. Particularly the part where your comparison is a man who is successful with women and any woman. Lol. Maybe I’m misunderstanding by why wouldn’t a woman who has had dating success be a good place to get advice? Are you speaking just from a man’s perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 09:45 PM
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I wonder if the relationships you’re describing, both of you similarly “leagued”? Less related, there’s this funny thing I’ve observed in life regarding insecurity/dating out of ones league regarding how each genders’ mindset navigates such a situation: woman gets with a guy way hotter than her and she’ll still feel as fat/ugly/whatever as she did before, and is way more likely to fall victim to the “this is the best I can do” mentality. When a man bags a girl out of his league? His self concept…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 09:43 PM
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I don’t think most men actually think like this. I’ve seen it time and time again: when it comes to women, “easy” and “accessible” is something men don’t see as valuable. I’ve definitely been in a situation or two with a guy who was clearly beneath my league and I expressed interest first. Surprise to no one: he acts coy and nonchalant towards me. I back off (assuming he must not like me), and then he chases me like I’m the last woman alive. Anecdotal, I know, but I don’t think most men respect …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 09:34 PM
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Interesting proposition. I tend to disagree wholeheartedly and think the woman should always be the prize for the relationship to function long term but I’ve also grown weary of this “prize” and “high value” conversation lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 09:31 PM
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Ok fair but what you’re describing is someone with moderate social anxiety, not someone who is shy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 09:26 PM
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They are different in that they still HEAVILY believe (without resentment) that cooking, child rearing and cleaning is their job. Western women who are hypergamous increasingly detach themselves from traditional female gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 09:54 PM
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Exactly. Unlike the men who perpetuate this myth, I work/socialize/fraternize with high earning men regularly. I don’t care what some delivery driver thinks about women’s income and education. I just want him to stop speaking on behalf of other men who are in tax brackets he himself will never reach. The wife of the multimillion earning CEO of the F500 company I resigned from a few years ago wasn’t an instathot or a “former teacher”. She was a lawyer. The wives of my engineer friends are enginee…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 01:25 AM
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Wrong, someone who is highly educated doesn’t want an idiot raising their kids. Educated high earners care about status, money, and education for their potential mates…Full stop. Claiming otherwise tells me all I need to know about your station in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 12:57 AM
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As a follow up: my partner and the partner of my friends have all explicitly said they wouldn’t date women without college degrees. This is a control group of 1 investment banker, 2 lawyers, and 4 engineers. Imagine that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 12:54 AM
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Yep. This this this: educated men don’t want high school drop outs who can’t hold a basic conversation about current events. It’s one of the most annoying myths that float around the manosphere. Silver lining?: Evidence that the manosphere is populated with uneducated idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 12:52 AM
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Thanks for being honest. Now please talk to your fellow brethren on this sub who love to talk on behalf of all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 12:50 AM
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No it’s completely wrong. Not caring as much as women do is not the same at “they don’t care at all”. It’s a crock of shit: men care, and tend to care more the more money and education they have themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 02:12 PM
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The only men who don’t care about women’s money and education are broke uneducated men. The stats are CLEAR that educated high earners pair with their female counterparts…But that won’t stop men without bachelor degrees who peaked at $50k speaking on behalf of doctors, lawyers and engineers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 02:10 PM
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But the whole thing was based on hypergamy so it was built to fail no? He should just stick with her because of all those things? Seems like she gets away with it while he has to limit his potential. Hypergamy isn't some evil cosmic force, it's a mating imperative that most women are prone to. Also, it's not at all mutually exclusive from real romantic love. Historically, most relationships were hypergamous so I'm not following your conclusion that they were built to fail? Even if that were the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 11:28 AM
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You’re trying hard to respond to arguments that weren’t made. The argument at hand is that female virgins want male virgins, which almost everyone that has responded to our back and forth can attest to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 11:03 PM
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Which explains how you managed to be so wrong on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 10:53 PM
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If young attractive women use their looks to snag a high value man, what's the difference with middle-age men leveraging their success to find a high value woman? I think the premise of this question is so strange. First, a woman's looks will always be the first thing about her a man considers. At what point is a pretty girl just pretty vs "leveraging" her looks? Second, are women "leveraging" their looks more than men are prioritizing looks over personality? I don't want to get hung up on the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 08:17 PM
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​ Why can't people in their 20s and beyond, have fun and wild sex too? A lot of people do. It doesn't need to be "intimate and thoughtful" or whatever that means. That sounds like another way to say passionless. The fun and wild sex I'm referring to is being characterized by its callous and recklessness, not by its fun and wildness. Women in their 20s and beyond like fun and wild, they just tend to drop the callous and reckless type of fun and wild sex as they get older (i.e. condomless sex with…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:37 PM
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Got it. As someone who dates men with options I will take your opinion into careful consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:58 PM
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Simply pointing out that someone could lose your affection, time and attention is not about having some negative attitude or haughty sense of self lol but I appreciate the weird insinuations. Of course affection is conditioned lol? Which romantic prospects in your life have kept your affections regardless of how they behaved or what they did? You projected a bunch of negativity all over my account. But back to the point: people, men with options, compromise for women all the time. Full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:52 PM
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​ Um, no. But I know you think you know we'all harbor the fantasy that all alphas are unrelenting douchebags. In the real world, this is generally true. I can't blame me because women also interpret "won't give me what I want" as "asshole" but it's just not the case. For most people who fall into the "high value" category, mistreating the people they fuck and hook-up with doesn't serve them at all. I also think you know nothing but think you know everything. ...Touche? What's with the attitude l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:33 PM
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so you believe that the "college years" sex is better? No, not at all. Men on this sub, however, seems to think that hazy drunk insecure 18 year old sex is better than intimate thoughtful sex that most women tend to have in their mid 20s + or that the men who had sex with her in that time got the better sex? i dont get it. Again, the men on this thread believe this, not me. There's a perception here that all women were fucking like crazy in college. My thing is that's an age where none of said w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:24 PM
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Yes and no. Something that happens a lot to these guys who look for mail order bride is the impact of western standard of living bites them in the ass: they go to Thailand to get a Thai girl. If he wants to live in Thailand, sure, he can afford a mansion and maids and drivers. But if he wants to go back to London or New York, where he is from, and bring his new naive bride, what happens time and time again is this woman jumping down his throat at the fact that he’s not making good in her expecta…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:13 PM
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With anyone. I know y’all harbor the fantasy that all alphas are unrelenting douchebags, but the reality is being successful with women literally offers zero incentive to treat women badly. The ones that do are actual sociopaths that get off on other people’s pain. The vast majority of alphas/chads just have options that they unapologetically exercise, which is not the same as being an asshole. My past “chads” absolutely compromised, which might not have included agreeing to marry me, sure, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:02 PM
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Apparently not, in the real world, people compromise all the time, especially with people they like and spend a lot of time with
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:57 PM
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Lol huh? What world are you guys living in? What relationship between two human beings doesn’t involved compromise?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:55 PM
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Lol the way you men suggest all men are selfish monsters at baseline is worse than anything so called “man haters” could say... Back to reality: I believe the average person still doesn’t want to maintain a relationship with someone who is getting nothing they want. I’ve dated plenty of high value / alpha whatever’s. Sure, the cockiness of “I have options” is there, but I still have yet to come across one of these men who didn’t try to make me happy to a significant extent. People tend to be goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:54 PM
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These redpillers grasp to the fantasy that they can be wild sluts and settle down with virgins and it’s never not funny
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:38 PM
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Yes. This. On both fronts. N count: the only people who tend to not care about high n counts, have high n counts themselves or weren’t intentional at all, in either direction, about their n counts (women who have low n counts because they are unattractive or socially weird/awkward fall into this category). Status: exactly. Some high status men don’t care but if anyone who fraternizes with men who fall into this group know how rare it is for them to bring uneducated waitresses to the work banquet…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:33 PM
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That’s not how any of this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:29 PM
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Nope, but they are all religious...which is the specific type of woman who would be a Virgin in today’s age. I grew up evangelical and this makes up most of the sample size. My Virgin Muslim friends also fit this bill, but I will admit to a lesser extent (I assume because their cultures are so much more forgiving of male premarital sex than female, whereas modern evangelicals definitely equalized the purity gospel amongst the genders in the last 30 years).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:20 PM
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Yes they do. The type of women who are virgins today want men who are virgins. For the ones I know? This was a deal breaker for damn near all of them. Guess what? All married Virgin men. Slutty men get married to women who lie about their body counts, not virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:16 PM
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Lol no he’s not, this is at least half of modern men over the age of 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:09 PM
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Not Caring is different than it being a deal breaker and I think the PPD men argue the latter way more than PPD women argue the former. Men are gonna care but what I find virtually nonexistent is n count being a deal breaker regarding a woman that a man would otherwise jump to date. Usually the deal breaker is n-count adjacent social no-nos like “my two best buds were on that basketball team that ran a train on you in college”. The train itself (I haven’t seen, at least) is rarely ever the reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:07 PM
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Except it’s not sane because the vast majority of people aren’t promiscuous. It would be the definition of insane insecurity driven dating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:03 PM
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Yes, Virgin women want Virgin men. See how that works?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:00 PM
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Well to your (very bad) point...wouldn’t that make someone want to know less?? Lol if I feel like it’s inevitably that in the bottom percentile of people he’s ever been with, wouldn’t I want to block that shit out of my psyche. That said, I absolutely care about n counts in men because male sluttery correlates with cheating. Besides that, it’s just disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:59 PM
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The chaste women I know absolutely value it (grew up evangelical). Honestly, despite the fantasy purported on this sub that slutty men have the ability to settle down with Virgin women, in reality, most intentionally chaste women I know consciously look and settle for chaste men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:57 PM
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I would say the truth is closer to “drug and alcohol induced whatever sex of ones college years is hardly indicative of a woman’s true sexual nature, desire for men, or how she behaves sexually in the real world”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:53 PM
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That doesn’t make sense. You can still be used for something that you don’t see as transactional lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:47 PM
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Because you men, by your own admission, still toss those fuckable women aside and come for us “entitleds” when you’re ready for a wittle girlfriend, because of your own personal hang ups about women who enjoy sex :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:46 PM
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I wholeheartedly disagree with this. Most women who want to wait may have not waited for ONE past parter, if that, and that’s hardly a tell (as there are a number of contributing factors for why that encounter doesn’t mirror her other sexual experiences). Women who tend not to wait...tend not to wait. This sub tries way too hard to conflate these types of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:44 PM
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This is agree with. It might take me MONTHS to have sex with a new guy but I also simultaneously don’t believe in exclusivity until we’re in a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:42 PM
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That’s just normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:35 PM
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I still don’t understand what you’re getting at...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:33 PM
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This. For how much raging there is against feminism, very few people (including self described feminists) take the time to understand it and it’s many forms from an academic standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:05 AM
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Everyone wants the best overall option they can get. The distinction is drawn between the people who have enough confidence (or self delusion) to never stop looking for that best option, and that is not a gendered phenomenon by any stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 01:06 AM
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You still haven’t answered if you’re okay with your girlfriend banning guys trips just because she decided your friends are slutty, so miss me with bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 12:33 AM
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Not married. Partner is balding slowly and very self conscious about it. I want him to get the damn hair plugs already or shave it off. I think most men can pull off bald, almost NO man can pull off balding
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 11:57 PM
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Men on PPD lust after confirmation bias more than any other group of human beings I’ve come across lol they seethe at the idea of women not confirming what they’ve decided is true about women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 11:56 PM
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Are you ok? I need a girls trip because I have girlfriends that I like hanging out with lmfao. That doesn’t need qualification or justification. My life doesn’t revolve around my partner once I get a partner. Why do you need a guys trip? What are you even saying right now? Yes you sound controlling and insecure. Also, unlike you, my partner doesn’t get held to any “rules” or “standards” that I wouldn’t hold myself to. I don’t speak to exes out of respect for him and I expect the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 11:49 PM
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Doesn’t matter the context. YOU’VE decided that you can decide when a girl’s trip is off limits. So again: if she decides that your friends are too slutty, you’re cool with her saying you can’t go on the boys trip? THAT’S the correct comparison to make here, not you going to fuck a prostitute but nice try lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 11:40 PM
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Cool. You never answered if you would stand for your girl telling you that boy’s weekend is a no go.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 10:56 PM
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Also, put the red pill pipe down, you’re hitting it entirely too hard, champ. Having self respect and enforcing your boundaries doesn’t require the try-hard energy you’re oozing right now. Also, human relationships require compromise and a decent amount of tolerance for situational ambiguity. Deciding your partner can’t engage in anything you’re not 100% sure about is being controlling.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 10:15 PM
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Standards are one thing and can be addressed outside of the context of telling another grown person what they are or aren’t allowed to do. Deciding that a girl’s trip is something that is within your realm to tell another grown adult she isn’t allowed to go on is controlling. I’m sure you have no problem with your GF telling you you can’t go traveling with your buddies?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 10:13 PM
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Short(er than me). Same height as me. Same height as me in heels. Weird bodied. Ghetto/street wear style (any style that isn’t sophisticated/buttoned up), bad hair (go bald if it’s not working out for you bud).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 10:10 PM
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Yeah you sounds controlling. Once you’re telling somewhat what they can and can’t do, the entire relationship is dead
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 10:01 PM
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People aren’t one dimensional but men who beat their wives shouldn’t be allowed near children, full fucking stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:03 PM
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OP made the argument that women are ONLY attracted to masculine men. The moronic statements on this thread started with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 05:00 AM
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I’m less forgiving, as I think he and his audience don’t want to understand this. There’s a lot of gaslighting involved on ANY “hey woman, settle down young and don’t live life in any significant way if you don’t want to die alone” platforms. The data is so readily availability that I refuse to believe that they don’t know such information...such as a degree is actually a pretty good way to meet and marry a man who makes money lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 03:30 PM
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Yes, solid stat. Did he mention that increasingly, a household with that type of income is more likely to be two high earners instead of one high earning man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 03:25 PM
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Soooo 5% of men? Lol what a flex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 03:17 PM
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No they don’t. Drop the fantasy. An extremely small proportion of gainfully employed and good looking men start getting attention in middle age. Most men bald, get a gut, and peak at $75k/year.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 03:01 PM
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But his perception of HVM aren’t been accurate. These men are marrying their female counterparts, no necessarily women who want to stay at home. So either way, everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 02:51 PM
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That’s how I feel. Not to say regular wealthy guys don’t cheat. But the screwing the hot model thing is so Hollywood and not at all indicative of how “typical” wealthy men (doctors, lawyers, engineers, business men) pair and settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 08:30 PM
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Ok that’s fair
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 12:40 AM
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Doubt it. I think a 28 year old making 6 figures wants to travel with his girlfriend without paying the entire tab. He’d like to maximize both incomes and live in a nice high rise without having to pay 80% of the rent. There’s a huge lifestyle and optics aspect to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 08:49 PM
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Of course it does. “Watch what men do” ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 08:46 PM
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Eh, I think plenty of men in these circles also enjoy the optics and respect that comes with bringing a lawyer to a dinner party vs bringing a waitress lol. But again, just not as much as women care about such things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 08:44 PM
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Ehh woman here: You can get pretty close if you know what you’re looking for (to your point, most women probably don’t). Obviously the material shit will be a dead give away. But men who are considerably financially literate also tend to fall in to the “well off” category, to an extent of AT LEAST “I live modest but that 401k is fat”. In fairness, these guys ( think Graham Stephan) would be harder to spot for women who don’t know too much about personal finance, but it’s not impossible. You can …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 08:33 PM
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You can have a modest home in the suburbs lol also, I’m sure modest can mean relative to what you can afford. I don’t care how rich I or my partner gets 6,000 sq.ft. + for the average family is almost always wasteful, tacky, and unnecessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 08:24 PM
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I mean...go on, I’m listening. To be clear: my biggest gripe is with the commonly regurgitated bullshit lie (which is really just meant to be a gotcha for women who have the audacity to think their MD, PhD, or JD makes them more of a catch on the dating market) which is a claim that “men dont careeeeeee about any of that!” My point is: yes, yes they do. The data shows it. Anyone who exists in these circles can attest to the fact that the anecdotal evidence shows it. Men don’t care about educatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 08:05 PM
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Of course proximity has a lot to do with it. Proximity has a lot to with how MOST people pair into LTR My point is, these men still have “lower value options” in these circles. I call bullshit that it’s just by happenstance the lawyer in the office got picked to be the GF instead of the paralegal. Men in these groups care, just not as much as their female counterparts. Data supports my point: most people pair along similar socioeconomic lines. The average woman isn’t marrying up 5 rungs on the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 06:26 PM
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You’re not disagreeing with me. Your argument only underpins the fact that money/success/prestige is rarely a dealbreaker for men when choosing, not that it doesn’t matter (which is regularly argued).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 06:20 PM
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They already do. This "men dont care about your money" sentiment hasn't been proven true to me in real life. Will it ever be a deal breaker? Rarely? But all the gainfully employed men I know are conveniently paired with gainfully employed women. I don't go to happy hours with my educated high earning peers and see any of the guys with waitresses on their arms. Their mates are dentists, nurses, doctors, b2b saleswomen, MAYBE a teacher here or there, but even that's rare. Whether consciously or un…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 05:37 PM
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It can be a cultural thing but people don’t only flirt with people they want to date lol. That’s another thing both men and women eventually grow to learn: actions that indicate interest don’t mean any meaningful interest actually exists. I could be flirting because I like you, I could also be flirting because I’ve had two drinks so I’d flirt with a telephone book if it was talking to me and making me feel pretty. Could also be flirting because I like (insert this one thing about you here) even …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 03:25 AM
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Love this answer because this is the only type of provider I want to be an enthusiastic service oriented partner towards. I’d hate to think of pressuring a man into that role because an unexpected baby came into the mix or I just assumed that would be his job
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 03:04 AM
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(Not a man) but you guys aren’t considering that some men who willingly take on provider/protector don’t want Suzie homemakers. I would say the only trait of mine that my current partner actually gives a fuck about is how well I cook and that I love doing it in general and for him. He makes more than enough money to support both of us and absolutely plans to once children are in the mix so I can have adequate flexibility to run the home, but he’s made it clear that unless I can generate some typ…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 03:02 AM
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Yeah but all those women looked tall. I get it, short guys have it rough but the average woman is shorter than the average man. I’m not sure what else the outcome was gonna be when, not only none of those women are as tall or shorter than any of those men, but when ALL of them are clear 5’6 and 5’7
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 02:23 AM
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lol this is some toddler logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 02:15 AM
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Bullshit. 4-6 men can easily be sluts, if their standards are low enough. Yes most men have way lower standards for sex compared to what they would actually want in LTR, but the average man doesn’t have ocean floor standards (as evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of men aren’t promiscuous)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 02:10 AM
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lol no it’s not (unless you’re talking an N of 500+ lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 02:04 AM
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I’m glad this is being said, because there’s this constant adjacent debate on this subreddit where men argue that male promiscuity = stud. In reality, most promiscuous men are just low standard sluts. A small proportion of men are promiscuous, and an even smaller proportion than that are promiscuous as a function of their high-valueness (e.g. exceptionally good looking, famous, wealthy, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 02:04 AM
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Ughhhh I’m a non white immigrant (though Americanized) so I’ve avoided the south like a very bad plague lol but definitely warmed up to the idea of Atlanta in recent months. Midwest is def my comfort zone though haha hard no Utah (weirdest place I’ve ever been in life) but would definitely try visiting Denver a few times to see if I like it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 08:20 AM
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Oh God, I’m keeping my ass in the Midwest if I can help lol. Fuck the overpriced self-important coastal cities
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 08:12 AM
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Household but that’ll be bare minimum but also very unlikely. Me and current partner are both on High earning trajectories, so I’m looking at household of $400k ideally, hoping to never dip below $250k though (including my taking time off work during early childhood years) which would open up higher cost of living locations outside of the Midwest (partner is obsessed with the idea of NYC or The Bay).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 11:39 PM
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yes low six figures at least in the Midwest, as I fully intend to stay urban. But that’s flexible depending on savings/investments accumulated up to that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 11:30 PM
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The west? Meh. America? Yeah, it’s a shit place to have kids if you don’t have money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 11:24 PM
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Not agreeing or disagreeing but also not my point lol. We’re watching what people do, yes? Low Ns marry low Ns. Male sluts (most of whom are men who sleep with anything, not the male sluts who are sluts because they are studs) end up with female sluts or female sluts who are lying about their Ns
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:23 PM
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A handful of my high school friends had kids before age 23. This group of women didn’t really posses the capability to..ehem...reach any higher if you get my drift. Me and the other honors kids are all still childless (28). My friends form college and adulthood are also still childless. We get what needs to be done to offer children a great life. Yes I’m delaying parenthood because “okay” if not okay for my future kids. I’m not aiming to give my kids a luxurious life, but they will absolutely ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:17 PM
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This. And imagine OP believing this is vein lol. My parents are immigrants with 5 kids. It took 1 year of living in the hood (during which my older brother quick displayed evidence of being influenced HEAVILY by the future degenerates he was in class with) before both of them pursued further education AGGRESSIVELY and noped the fuck into the most accessible middle class/upper middle class neighborhood they could. Um yeah, you bet your sweet ass i’ll be delaying parenthood until I can reasonably …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:12 PM
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What a load of baseless shit. Millennials and younger gens are considerably less economically stable than people in their parents and grand parents generations. You people are skipping over cold hard economic realities to make a “hurr durr women just wanna party and get railed” argument. How about I need to pay off my student loans, then increase my salary in the next 3-5 years by AT LEAST, 45% coupled with aggressive saving/investing to give my future kids AT LEAST what I had growing up (stable…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:07 PM
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There’s nothing politically incorrect about simply saying “I don’t want kids”. But you seem to think it’s a cop out for a woman to want to give her kids AT LEAST the standard of living she gave herself as a young 20 something (nice apartment, safe area, car, etc.), instead of moving down a rung on the socioeconomic ladder.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:01 PM
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The United States has one of the highest mother mortality rates in the industrialized world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 06:59 PM
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Is your measuring stick for how badly someone wants kids really their willingness to have kids even when they don’t have enough resources?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 06:59 PM
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Except the data shows low N’s pair with eachother. I think women are less discriminatory along hard lines and look more hollistically at a person, but definitely, guys are getting rejected for being majors sluts. Also, being HV value is not the only way to rank up a high N as a man and I wish y’all would stop perpetuating this nonsense. Yes, there are studs but there are also men who sleep with anything. MOST male sluts are in the latter category.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:09 PM
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I personally wouldn’t commit to anyone above 30 and THATS pushing it. I’m always look for someone below 15 tbh and haven’t had issues finding that in men considered “HV”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:07 PM
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Most people don’t have high n counts lol I patently reject the notion that any good catch would have a high n count and it definitely isn’t my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:04 PM
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We do watch what people do...and people with low n counts tend to pair with eachother lol. Male sluts are not routinely bagging virgins for LTRs
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:01 PM
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Men get rejected for being sluts all of the time lol what world do you live in? Notice my use of words by the way. All male promiscuity is not created equals. There are studs (sluts because he’s HV) and well sluts (sleeps with anything). Decent low n count women routinely reject the latter
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:00 PM
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Yes, low n count people pair with each other at statistically high rates. TRP promotes a laughable wet dream that men can fuck around all they want and likely bag a Virgin and that’s not how any of this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:59 PM
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I believe it’s a rare phenomenon that doesn’t match how often TRP wet dream would suggest it does. Good girls aren’t turned into sluts for the right guy on night one, they are turned into sluts over time for the right guy with time and a safe/comfortable environment (this should not be confused with the phenomena of naive/inexperienced/soft spoken/weak willed girl feeling pressured/not feeling empowered enough to say no with sexual acts that she’s actually very uncomfortable with. Now THAT happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:55 PM
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Um no lol actually a direct refutation of the fantasy of the chaste girl who turns into a slut on night one with the right man
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 11:22 AM
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Nope. There aren’t a critical mass of women who are randomly kinky with one guy on the first date. There are plenty of women putting on a good girl Schtick to not get judged, and occasional busting it wide open fairly soon for a guy they are really really really into AND There are women who, after meeting someone they are into, can be coaxed and led into more explorative sex as they grow more comfortable and sexually free with said guy OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. The Virgin who turns into a porn star…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:27 AM
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I actually think it’s important both sexes IF they don’t get it right on N=1. No one needs to be a slut, but if you don’t do the settle down as a 19 yr old thing Virgin thing, it’s probably best for both sexes to have a handful of sexual experiences over the course of their young years.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:17 AM
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There’s nothing pathetic about that lol don’t downplay your ideal because the rest of society has dived head first into debauchery
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:14 AM
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I can respect that. To be clear, in my “insulted” anecdotes, nope: literally have them tell me that they thought I was wasting their time by friendzobing them/would have preferred if I just didn’t agree to go on a date (as they assume it meant I didn’t like them). At that age, it was me trying to be “nice”, but funny enough at my current age, my offering to pay absolutely means I have zero intentions of seeing you again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:03 PM
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Nope not yet, but me and my partner are 100% aligned on this structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:58 PM
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I focused on the long run family structure. I’ve only simply connected that to the type of man who will pay for a date with no issue and the type of man who won’t. Again, I’m not clear on how EXACTLY were disagreeing, you’re kind of speaking in riddles lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:52 PM
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My experience is that such an exchange has been optimal for many men I have dated, including the one I’m currently with. That said, such men are usually high earning than the average so I’m sure that plays intonit
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:51 PM
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HAHAHAHAH wait. So your argument is that real patriarchs are turned off by paying for women’s dates??? EL OH EL.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:46 PM
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I haven’t read a single thing you’ve posted that is actually clear to me lol so I’m not even clear about what we’re disagreeing on. Nothing I posted here suggested that I think the exchange is one sided, so I’m assuming you’re just one of those people who downplays the value of homemakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:45 PM
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Never experienced a man who genuinely thinks this is a red flag or even cares. In fact, In my younger years when I was dumb enough to try to go Dutch, I experienced men who were down right insulted by the suggestion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:44 PM
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I’m still not following. What end is a family a means to? You’re saying that men who want families just don’t want families? What I described isn’t a bang maid lol. But help me understand if I’m missing you’re trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 08:32 AM
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Also, how did I put it weirder than you haha? You established patriarchy as inherent subjugation and made it sound adversarial. Sure it can be, but there are plenty of happy and fulfilled men and women living under this model, participating in these roles with glee. I don’t find anything subjugating about making it my duty to take care of a man who made it his duty to take care of me. Pay my bills, be sweet to me, romance me, and never forsake any children I have for you. I’ll raise your childre…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 08:30 AM
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I don’t understand the question? A patriarch, modern or not, is a leader of a family. I don’t understand how you assume that role in the basis of having a penis alone (which it seems a lot of modern men are wanting to do). When I’m looking at the partnership math, I’m not sure how me deferring to you/your authority, allowing the direction of your career to take precedent over mine, taking your last name, rearing your kids, cooking your food and cleaning your home and joining your life program eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 08:22 AM
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There’s a class and education component to this I believe...which further points to the idea that educated folks on a high earning trajectory are having the best time in the dating and marriage market (as the data would suggest): I really don’t experience this as a conversation in my real life or amongst my friends...EVER. It just doesn’t happen. Guy asks out girl, he pays. End of. And that’s usually how it goes until commitment is established, at which point, each couple sets their own unique m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 08:16 AM
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What’s funny about this assumption I keep hearing is the idea that well above average dudes aren’t regularly paying for dates lol. I mean, sure, I can get behind the idea that they aren’t paying for women who they are just fucking (but if that’s the case, are they even making it to the restaurant with these women or just inviting them over for pizza?) In my experience, the only difference between the well above average dudes and the well below is the quality of the venue. Doctor, lawyer, Chad, T…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:58 AM
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What a weird game you want me to play. I show politeness by being polite on the date, not looking at my phone, sincerely thanking you for picking up the tab for a date YOU asked me on...not by pretending I want to split the bill. If that’s what you want, be a man and say it with your chest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:54 AM
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Never gonna happen but you can wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:47 AM
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In less weirdly aggressive terms, I would say yes you’re right, and I’m a fairly modern woman: the type of man I want long term is a modern-ish patriarch. My eventually submitting to his direction and leadership in the relationship is a non starter if paying on dates is ever an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:46 AM
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It’s only not that simple when it benefits you as a man. Being a provider is literally one of the main tenants of a patriarch, which would mean who pays on the first date shouldn’t even be a question for such a man
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:09 AM
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Name checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 06:59 AM
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Yeah I’m definitely not “trad life”, actually pretty modern, but am rarely able to get behind SAHMs who argue that housework should be split 50/50. Absolutely split it up somewhat, especially during weekends and other major downtime but 50/50???? Sheesh The only concession I give is if the man is especially wealthy, in which case, yeah hire her some house help so she can spend some extra time in the gym or going to lunch lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 02:03 AM
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Marriage is objectively good for The Society. The next shift is the western governments involvement in campaigns aimed at increasing marriage rates. In America, I imagine an attempt to mainstream pre-marital counseling and a (re?)-introduction to dating/marriage focused coursework in k-12. As for natural trends, we’re going to see the educated high earners continue to get married and everyone else fall off the wagon.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 07:15 PM
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Well sure but I just provided an example in which is works great for plenty of people. For most couples, no. You’re right about that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 07:11 PM
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My folks are both educated, each with advanced degrees. My dad didn’t have the time to be the primary care taker/hands on parent, and mostly stepped in as the disciplinarian. My mom, who is now an engineering PHD, used to make me and my siblings do math problems after school as after she helped with homework. We all excelled in school (our family had a reputation of making good smart kids in my school district) and we all grew up relatively successful. I’d argue that in traditional families, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 07:10 PM
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Eh not necessarily. Plenty of SAHM moms are decidedly at home for a limited period of time and return at least part time once kids are in elementary school.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 07:05 PM
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I mean aren’t you just arguing semantics now? I grew up evangelical. The girls I know who wanted to be housewives and homeschool moms didn’t ever have to mention “I need you to pay bills.” A resolute “I plan to be a stay at home mom and homeschool my children” was ALWAYS enough to drive the point home during the first few dates. EVERY girl I know who wanted that when I was growing up is now married and staying at home. One is married to a rich guy but the rest seem comfortable in their middle cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 07:03 PM
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Ehhh in fairness, modern tools have eliminated a lot of the work of a traditional woman from 100 years ago. That said, someone to be the primary caregiver of children, keep a spotless home, laundry, cook all meals/pack all lunches, and do family logistic planning (doctors, dentist, weddings, birthday cards), etc. is a valuable asset if the man works outside the home enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 07:00 PM
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Any decent to great orator will have followers, regardless of the message or who stands to gain from it. That isn’t really proof of anything. Samuels is a blowhard who talks a good game. Nothing really to see there...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:53 PM
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But that players value to the AVERAGE woman is damn near irrelevant if the average woman will never breathe the same air as that type of man. Most people are going to marry folks in their towns or who went to their school. All this value systemizing on global scales are irrelevant to most people, who’s value system will probably only ever measure John, Joe and Jim from down the block against one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:48 PM
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your woman who approached did fine. That said, not here to argue with anyone’s personal experiences. Genuinely glad you and the Mrs. are happy :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:33 PM
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Imagine being this emotional about Reddit lol go grab a snickers bud, respectful adult dialogue clearly isn’t for you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 12:47 AM
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FDS can’t teach me what my mom and dad already did shrugs. Nope, it’s about the nature of the two genders, not about me being the self centered piece of shit you’re really hoping I am :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 12:32 AM
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Lol I don’t have any other response except a reiteration of my original response. If you want to know more about my perspective, just ask. If you want to get irrationally super offended, be my guest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 12:10 AM
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Hey bud, get out of your feelings. Aiming to understand is a lot more effective than deciding that everyone with a differing opinion is a total piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 11:45 PM
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In fairness, if most people pushed gender roles as general relationship guides, and not God written rules, way more people would accept their validity
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 11:19 PM
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Idgaf what anyone says, as far as dating is concerned “he should love you more” will always be my number one rule lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 10:59 PM
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Nature, and thus, our natural dating imperatives, are ammoral. Yes, what she said is right; plenty of guys will go on dates with women they already know they wouldn’t want to date because of the possibility of sex. That’s just the way it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 10:55 PM
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You tried your hardest to mentally somersault your way into interpreting what she wrote into an admission of her only being with him for money and I find it hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 10:47 PM
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Literally my worst nightmare lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 10:42 PM
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I disagree. I think men can be attracted to a wider range of people, but deep romantic love is way harder for a man to tap into than a woman (and woman are also better at confusing fuzzy feelings for deep love, whereas I think most adult men tend to know when they are infatuated vs. horny vs. head over heels). Love and devotion is way more important on the man’s side as it pertains to the longevity and health of a relationship. I don’t think men have it in them to sustain long term monotonous re…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 10:38 PM
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This this THIS. Approaching men is a patently bad idea for most relationship minded women. The way the genders’ nature is set up, women’s job is to reciprocate interest, not approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 10:29 PM
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A man approaching you first has a higher likelihood that he likes you than the guy you approached. How is this even arguable...?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 10:27 PM
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Sure, but extrapolate that pursuant energy across days, weeks or months (not just 2 drunk hours in a bar) and the answer is usually that the guy wanted that girl, in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 10:25 PM
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Not minding being alone is predicated on the idea that you love yourself as much as you expect everyone else to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 09:36 AM
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The idea that I would forgo my stated standards for a physically attractive “tough” guy is laughable at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 09:33 AM
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authentic compliments ok? Over the top fawning is cringe? Withholding validation is redpill loser “game”? I can agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:41 PM
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Because those men’s proximity to us can reasonably be expected to be about anything but trying to sleep with us. I’m reasonably attractive lol, I’m telling you my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:39 PM
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I’m on topic, we just don’t agree, and for some reason you can’t engage without the needlessly snarky emotional responses. Oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 05:13 PM
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Yeah sure, but that guy still isn’t giving any authentic praise. He’s saying my eyes are brighter than the northern moon and my cheeks put that summer rose bush to shame. Or, worse yet, mindlessly agreeing to any opinion we spout. Men who aren’t dads/bosses/teachers aren’t regularly telling women that they are kind, thoughtful, nurturing, intelligent, interesting, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 05:09 PM
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No we don’t. Women very rarely get thoughtful compliments that have nothing to do with our looks from men who aren’t bosses/teachers/fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:52 PM
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It doesn’t work with any woman who has a high sense of self worth. It’s obvious, transparent and cringey when are a man is withholding validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:50 PM
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Lol what’s with the snark? Where did you post this information before that you feel this response was warranted? My point here is dating in early 30s for these women isn’t that bad compared to non educated non high earning women. You forget that a sizable amount of women, especially in the educated/money making crowd, date down economically as a testament to their new-age-y-ness and post modern feminism. The others date their highly educated/high earning peers. The undesirable group (looks or pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:21 PM
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So the hyper focus on high n counts, party girl pasts and daddy issues isn’t used to exclude women from the “wifeable” club? I really made that up? Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:14 PM
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Lol you can talk to me directly. No, I don’t believe systemizing only works to exclude, but on this subreddit, it’s a BIG aspect of the “vetting” process men discuss. Again, my argument is that systemizing and socializing are just as important, which I wouldn’t have thought would be a controversial opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:10 PM
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Um exactly. And highly educated men want highly educated women. They marry each other predictably often.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:06 PM
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Interesting... I do wonder: What’s to come of dating if both men and women are being advised to not be forthcoming with how they feel about one another?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:13 AM
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To be specific: I mean bag 19 year old women who are relationship material and simultaneously attractive and tight-bodied for LTR. I don’t confuse the two, but these elements are double sided. 19 year olds sometimes sleep with older men, they also don’t want to date them. 30+ men sometimes sleep with young women...they often times don’t want to be in an LTR with them...30 year old women regular sleep with hot 20 something men, whom they also don’t want relationships with. But more importantly: n…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:05 AM
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Yes but women aren’t excluding men on the basis of systemizing (which I would argue they should be doing WAY more). I think, as a result, women tend to end up with people they like, holistically, way more than men (even though those people are often objectively horrible choices for life partners). Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:37 AM
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How did you fumble the ball with the 8?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:28 AM
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I don’t know if I agree, but I definitely don’t think this applies to the yuppish hyper educated/high earning crowd at all. The people who fall into this group (anyone with an advanced degree and/or with a prestigious white color job) are hitting their primes in their late 20s, early 30s. These people tend to pair with eachother more often than not. Women in this group (before late 30s, 37,38,39) usually have any AMAZING group of men to choose from
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:20 AM
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No but in fairness, the men in this thread are constantly claiming 30+ men regularly bag early 20s women, not late 20s women. I don’t think it’s the 25-29 crowd of women is out of reach for men above 30, but that’s also the case for women above 30 lol. Any decent woman can dip into the late 20s pool for a partner, chances are she just won’t want to as women tend to like men their age or older.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:16 AM
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No that’s not how anything work: Anyone can bag anything...in theory. Despite the fantasies, however, when we actually look at population patterns, most men are not bagging gorgeous women 15-20 years younger than them. It’s not happening to any significant extent lol. Which would suggest the average man over 30 still has his best chance with women his age...just like women over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:13 AM
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My point is men put too much emphasis on the systemizing, to the point where, often, the only “wifeable” women are women they can reasonably expect to be bored with and have average sex lives with. It’s not that it’s not smart, but no amount of rules will turn you or women into cyborgs, which means the socialization part is JUST as important.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:08 AM
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Let me guess: you’re happily married?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:58 AM
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I tend to think systemizing has a place BEFORE in-depth socialization: Light/pre socialization > systemizing > deep socialization > marriage/friendship/business partnership/etc. I’m a woman. There are certain groups of men who are automatically at the bottom of my list and men who don’t have a shot: ugly, uneducated, lots of childhood trauma, promiscuous past, felony record, just to name a few. I think there’s nuance needed, sure, but this is probably the smartest way to choose a life partner so…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:49 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:47 AM
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Also, bullshit that marriage is a proxy. It’s literally, historically speaking, the most common and most accessible VEHICLE for both for of the factors we’re discussing: wealth building and cohabitation of two baby makers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:34 PM
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Marriage is a huge vehicle for wealth building. Also, marriage increases the likelihood that you’ll stay with a partner you cohabitate with, thus, decreasing the risk of single parent households for children...so yeah, like I said: marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:32 PM
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You don’t say... That doesn’t change the data that overwhelmingly suggests marriage is the IDEAL context for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:18 PM
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I am kind, smart, thoughtful, fun, educated, sophisticated, service oriented, come from a good family, active, have a high libido, pretty face and awesome body. Yes I do think I’m a good catch but that is not at all the same as me believing that that makes me every straight man’s cup of tea.. Your last questions are interesting and I can best answer by using my current situation: it honestly depends. My current BF (who I won’t be with much longer) seems to think I’m a goddess, but he’s insecure,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 03:47 PM
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lol 40 % saying somewhat important still tips towards the “want to” side. MOST adult humans in our society want marriage. This is just facts
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 03:20 PM
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But if you want kids, your best bet is to have a (non awful) partner living under the same roof as you. All these things work in tandem. Marriage isn’t a good deal for anyone who doesn’t want kids but it’s the ideal context for anyone who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 03:15 PM
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Thank you for this accurate data. I’ve been sick of the over-exaggerated divorce rate narrative for ten years now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 03:10 PM
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Fair, but that’s not the same as knowing that a woman who faked an orgasm instead of honestly critiquing you so she could have a better experience is now telling her friends that you suck in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 11:16 PM
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Cute assumptions but nope: single college aged, post college, middle aged, doesn’t matter. Promiscuous men don’t skew toward being relationship types. Thanks for playing, though!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 07:19 PM
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So again...we’re talking about balance? And no, that’s not the actual social manifestation of what men look for in women: you want near virgins who are also open to whatever you want sexually. You want inexperienced good girls who are also interesting. Submissive women who aren’t doormats. You want attractive women who don’t spend too much time getting/staying attractive, etc. So, without the snark, people like balance. I don’t think a guy is a double-minded loon because he wanted a low n count …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:23 PM
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Isn’t snark what we’re doing here? Or were you nicely implying that women hopelessly talk out of both sides of their mouth? My apologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:10 PM
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Yep exactly. And if we’re being honest, that’s some shit women don’t get called out enough: the number of women who will complain about guys not being good in bed and then in the next breath admit that they didn’t speak up or tell him what to do is staggering, and I wouldn’t believe that this is the sexual landscape most men have to navigate through if I hadn’t experienced myself in almost every girlfriend group I’ve been apart of. The average man is woefully unaware of how often he’s being slan…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:07 PM
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Where you’re wrong is this assumption that women define promiscuity in men as “strong”. There is a social proof thing that goes on with a man who comes with “evidence” that he can get girls, sure! Not denying that...but how you lot came to the conclusion that that means an n count of 50 or 100 instead of, ummm, 15, is beyond me...there’s a point where a high n count (if not matched with a story that makes sense to explain it, like he’s famous, college athlete, etc) is just sloppy and gross ESPEC…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:02 PM
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Ahhh, you’re the guy who just learned the definition of ‘balance’, I’m guessing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 05:55 PM
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No. Most men will suck at pleasing me without clear communication and direction. The virgin gets the axe if it becomes obvious that he’s not open to candid communication about sex and following direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 05:49 PM
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I’m not sure why you guys keep peddling this lie that promiscuity is attractive to women. promiscuity CAN be social proof that a guy can get girls but that’s not the same as being attracted to the fact that a guy has slept around. Low N count people tend to pair with other low n count people. The women that “don’t care” tend to skew higher in n counts. Even when a lower n woman “doesn’t care”, what are the chances that the lifestyle she lives will lead her to a promiscuous guy? Chances are she’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 05:46 PM
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I mean, isn’t this exactly what the men on this thread say their reaction is when they find out a girl has a large N count? I’ve said this a million times and I’ll say it again: the people that tend to be comfortable with high N counts (male or female) have high n counts themselves...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 05:39 PM
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Promiscuous men tend to screw towards not being husband material, in short. I’ve seriously considered ONE hyper promiscuous man and it was a nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 05:36 PM
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Nope. I don’t commit to men with promiscuous pasts because of high probability of cheating. If we’re being real: the biggest male “sluts” you’ve ever met are also probably the least husband material type, and my end goal is always marriage/family. Virgin might be a bit concerning ONLY because I don’t want a terrible sex life but sub 15 partners for a man is always my goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 05:33 PM
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Both things can be true at one time though. Came across a FB post today that reads "you literally don't have to lie to women to get what you want. If she likes you enough, she will lie to herself". Pretending like every woman who's ever been got by a fuckboy ended up there because she was blindsided and bamboozled is not only a fake reality, but doesn't fully allow us as women to take agency in our dating lives ending up the way we want.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy16/03/21 05:49 PM
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So keep it within social circles. Online dating has, at best, 0.00001% high quality women... Eh, not sure where you from but if your social circle is in a big or big-ish city, this is nowhere close to true. Even if just casually, at least half of the singles I know use OLD. The issue with OLD isn't lack of quality options, its the low quality options mixed in, and the struggle telling them apart. But it's a foolish notion that all or most of the quality choices in your town just decided to not p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 08:02 PM
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For reasons that are mostly related to ego. The better question is: why don't women care enough about men's N count? I find overly promiscuous men unattractive and always have. At my age, there's no good reason for a male peer to have bedded 70+ women. It would take Leonardo DiCaprio levels of success for me to not be put off by a 20 or 30 something year old man who has casually bedded hundreds of women. Everything men say about slutty women apply to slutty men: high n counts in men SCREAMS lack…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 08:28 PM
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Because it indicates a woman's poor impulse control, high time preference, and impaired ability to pair bond Not OP, but what I don't get is how men skip over the fact that it says the exact same thing about them. A 30 year old man who has bedded 100 women might be hot and successful, but that n count absolutely speaks to his propensity towards self control and future fidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 08:20 PM
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I think it tends to be the complete opposite outside of metropolitan America; It's typically the women dating one at a time and then men playing the field while simultaneously feeling entitled to exclusively from each woman they're seeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 08:06 PM
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Not quite: Women want guys who have options (i.e. are desirable), but they want to be your choice of all the options available to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 08:04 PM
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Lol...this post is what drove me to check out the sub for my first time ever and...it's honestly not that bad? As I said earlier, dating strategy is (mostly) amoral. Even so, I don't really see that thread as directly comparable to TRP (but surely, I'm biased). I think people (men and women) tend to have stronger knee-jerk reactions to women seeing dating/relationships through any type of strategic lens, as opposed to the typical "durrr gotta find my sOuLmAtEs because feeeeeeelings!!!1!" hopeles…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 06:49 PM
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I didn't read for context so I have no idea of the gender of whoever you responded to. My response is more of a reason why women would find RPW objectionable: because it's strategy that still skews to men's favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 06:26 PM
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RP helps men succeed in dating and sex on men's terms. RPW helps women "succeed" in dating on men's terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 06:22 PM
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Gendered sexual strategy is amoral. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 03:20 PM
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Avoid committing young because you WILL NOT be the same person at 30 that you were at 18, not specifically so you can fuck a bunch of people. Fucking a bunch of people during your single years is purely option. Not necessarily advisable, but can be fun if done right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 02:44 PM
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*googles latest basketball player or rapper who knocked up Instagram model and now owes tens of thousands a month in child support*
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 08:10 PM
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Literally nowhere
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 07:42 PM
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women should fuck until they die.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 07:41 PM
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Yes the fuck really. The three "facts" you posted don't prove 1) women file for divorce because of financial reasons. or 2) marriage is a financial strategy Women being the ones to initiate divorce the most actually in no way speaks to the driving cause of divorce. You're doing a shit poor job (scientifically, of course) of establishing a causal relationship between who initiates divorce and WHY divorce takes place. Again, that's literally not how science or statistics works. Also, most marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 02:38 AM
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There are facts, data and statistics that prove women are hypergamous. What you just stated in no way "proves" that women are anything. It doesn't even come close to telling the whole story. That's not even close to how science works JFC
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 02:16 AM
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You're being dense on purpose right? Divorce stats in no way speak to the actual dynamics at play within a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 02:11 AM
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Great sense of humor, height, vastly knowledgeable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 03:21 PM
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This isn't your fault of course, but it's because of the messaging women (and men) are inundated with since birth: Pursuing a man means you're desperate A man who DOESN'T pursue you doesn't want you for anything serious (but will use you for sex if you make it available to him) Gender myths e.g "men are natural hunters", etc. Again, not your fault. But in a world where these messages are shoved down most people's throats, they are kind of embedded in our subconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 03:19 PM
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tips hat
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 05:00 AM
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Yeah, the "held down and anally raped" is definitely a thing that happened to a handful of girls I know. Other instances were "drunk and taken advantage of" type of deals. I think I know one girl who has severe issues because of sex violence and she was raped by a family member at like age 6 or 7 or some sick shit like that. I think I know one slutty rape victim but she was slutty before the rape lol, I think she just went into overdrive afterwards ​ I think in a world where some people honestly…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 10:39 PM
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rape is unsurprisingly common, especially when you consider most acts of sex violence are committed by someone who knows the victim well. I find it hard to believe that almost a quarter of adult women are perpetually damaged as a result
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 10:22 PM
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Fortune 500
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 07:15 PM
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I guess I don't have a large enough sample size. Older (40+) women I know simply didn't sleep around enough to know whether or not it's going to be the life ruining endeavor the manosphere wants to convince us it is. But 30+ coupled women I know would not give me any advice about my sex life outside of 1) don't get attached to a fuck boy 2) use protection 3) abort that shit if the protection didn't work. Bonus 4) practice good pussy management - i.e. if you're gonna slut, do it in a way where it…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 05:13 PM
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I LOLed
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 04:58 PM
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I mean, that would suggest that the "fuckboys" of most "high value" women I know are upper echelon... Actually, now that I think of it and as I'm writing this, that makes sense: we all run in highly educated, young mostly attractive F-500 circles in a major city so I guess it's not wild to believe most of these women's fuckboys are highly desired men and not common losers. I'll think about this more lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 04:40 PM
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In my experience, depends on why she has a high n count: ​ Women I know with high n counts simply because they have a high libido and fuck for fun, don't fit your description. Literally at all. They can be loyal girlfriends to guys they love and Women who have high n counts because of low self esteem, and incorrectly believing that fucking men is a good way of making themselves more competitive in the dating market against women they believe are better than them would fit your description...spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 04:16 PM
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Two main reasons: Plenty of women know that the judgements made about promiscuous women just aren't true. I.e. many would argue that they slutted around and stayed loyal to partners they love OR they slutted around and are well adjusted and don't have self esteem issues, etc Double standard: Outside of this weird corner of the internet, what I like to call the real world, there are not THAT many double standards in regards to how men and women are judged on the dating market. There is, of course…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 03:47 PM
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​ It's sad, but I think men should avoid damaged women. I'm not really mad about this opinion, if for no other reason than I avoid, and advise other women, to avoid men with any significant amount of trauma or baggage as well. It's probably among my most politically incorrect opinions that well adjusted people should avoid people raised in toxic homes, victims of abuse, etc., regardless of gender. But of course, the most common narrative only discusses baggage (like daddy issues, for example) as…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 03:29 PM
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In my experience, men don't even seek out girls they think are sluts for casual sex. Almost every woman I know has a "fuckboy story", i.e. a man that recognized her as a "good girl" (read: intelligent, well mannered, well behaved, attractive, etc.) but for some reason didn't want to "wife" her, so he manipulated her into a non-committal sexual "situationship". This practice is so widespread (at least among millennial) that it almost makes slut shaming hilarious: plenty of women want casual sex, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 03:19 PM
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