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I have no doubt that the Red Pill works on a certain type of insecure, possibly personality-disordered woman that you might find in a bar looking to have a one night stand. There are plenty of emotionally healthy women wanting sex, but they don't fall for this crap so red pillers pretend they didn't want those girls anyway. ;) But these people are a minority of all women and a smaller, even nonexistent, minority of women worth having a relationship with. My issue is when Red Pillers imply that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:28 AM
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I'm amused that you think any of these field reports are for real. Maybe it's because I found The Red Pill by finding my then-husband's account in which he posted some, shall we say, highly embellished field reports. But I don't take anything they write as fact so much as validation-seeking from online buddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 02:37 AM
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History is full of women who adored, honored and remained happily devoted to highly desirable Men who made major decisions within their relationships without consulting their wives and had actual affairs. And even more women who didn't. Some women value loyalty and respect.
/r/MarriedRedPill10/01/16 03:34 AM
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We had plenty of sex until he started the Red Pill bullshit. I have a higher libido than many men I know. Unfortunately, I have a hard time feeling attracted to someone who demeans me and dread games me. It sounds like OP lost a girl similar to me and wants her back. I was just offering a perspective. Take it or leave it. A lot of men seem to end up here for reasons that aren't really related to their relationship, so I am sad when they ruin a good thing over what some internet strangers tell th…
/r/MarriedRedPill10/01/16 01:30 AM
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I already cook and clean and generally do stereotypically feminine things. I also have a successful career and large amount of education, so I won't tolerate a life partner who acts as though I don't deserve to have concerns taken seriously. As for the affairs, I actually don't know if he managed to have one. I know he purposely left me with the impression that he was doing so and that is all I need to know about his character.
/r/MarriedRedPill10/01/16 12:02 AM
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"Up her Girl Game?" What does this mean? I wanted a spouse who didn't buy cars without asking me and smirk if I brought it up as a concern. A spouse who didn't pretend to have affairs just to mess with my head. Do tell; in what ways should I have "upped my girl game."
/r/MarriedRedPill09/01/16 10:43 PM
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How is it relevant? MRAs say men are at a disadvantage. Statistics say they get custody most of the time if they bother to ask for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 08:21 PM
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The statistic includes cases that go to appeals, which means it refers to cases where both parents want custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 04:44 PM
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I'm sorry I don't feel comfortable giving that information. It's an extremely liberal blue state if that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 04:42 PM
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Our laws are written so that crimes committed generally by African Americans are punished more heavily than ones committed generally by white people. Take for example the punishment for crack vs regular cocaine. Is there evidence that majority female crimes have different minimum penalties or average punishments than majority male crimes of the same class?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 04:41 PM
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If 70% of men who pursue custody get it, you can easily extrapolate that 30% of women aren't getting it in those cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 04:39 PM
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Well and he was a bit younger in 1989. FWIW, Esquire has called Helen Mirren the sexiest woman alive. Since vapid magazines are a source now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 06:11 AM
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Not even. I can think of wealthy idiots. I doubt anyone would argue that Paris Hilton is smarter than a NASA scientist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 06:04 AM
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UK law is very different from US law then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 05:49 AM
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Alimony is not given in most cases. I've known a few men who complained about alimony and it ends up they meant child support. Any money give to that bitch is alimony because then you don't have to worry about looking like an asshole for paying for half of your children's food.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 05:46 AM
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It's what I've seen recommended on the red pill and similar. I think the red pill is misandry at heart but that's another story for another thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 05:43 AM
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Funny. My divorce lawyer advised me that most dads who seek custody get it and this was a legal battle we needed to prepare for.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 05:41 AM
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It was pre-internet era. You can look up the text at a library most likely. The study is called the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court's Gender Bias Study of the Court System in Massachusetts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 05:39 AM
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That would be evidence if you supplied data on who is committing most of the crimes likely to get someone thrown in jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 05:38 AM
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Yeah, the stats suggest that men have an advantage when they indeed want custody. I've presented the statistic before and been told it's just wrong. Because facts are not facts when they contradict the red pill, which is most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 05:37 AM
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Men ask women that they're not incredibly attracted to all the time. In other words women can afford to be fussy about accepting yes, but men cannot so fussy about whom they ask. They ask women for sex that they don't want to sleep with? Can you give an example? I've never heard of a man asking a woman for sex that he would not have sex with. Wrong. Men ask any woman with a basic level of attraction whom they think might say yes. Women only accept the best of the offers that are put forward to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 04:38 AM
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hard numbers by definition, this dollar amount or that date, always doxx people. See, this tells me that you don't understand how statistics work. Averages and percentages don't require doxxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 03:15 AM
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Some? Your assertion implied that there was a generality here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 03:04 AM
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Hard numbers by definition do not include personal and identifying information. The link I gave you to the Massachusetts state review, for example, included the outcomes of every custody battle in the state that year but not the names or outcomes of specific individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 03:04 AM
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When most men are pussy whipped betas who can't earn the respect of women, this is what you get. Is there a single reason to believe this is the case? Usually when idiots post about their 'omg my boyfriend is now trp', they talk about how they beat them, insult them, make them wait hand on foot, etc, not understanding that it has nothing to do with that at all. Naw, most of the women I know who left red pillers left over negging, amused mastery (AKA condescension), and dread game.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 11:42 PM
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Unmarried women obviously cannot fall into the category of "willing to marry a man who makes less than they do." You're assuming they fall under people who wouldn't. There's a variety of reasons not to get marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 11:26 PM
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If it's clear, can you give me a citation?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 08:10 PM
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It might be the type of woman you date vs. the type of women I am friends with. I was called sheltered here because I was raised by professionals and my friends are professionals and our idea of a night out is a cup of coffee with discussion about the books we've read and Dr. Who. So I recognize that my experiences are not necessarily representative of other other social groups. However, don't red pillers want a quiet, housewifey girl with an education? I mean isn't that the goal? Since you all …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 08:10 PM
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Those were actually exactly the behaviors I was referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 08:07 PM
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So you have anecdotes? Hard numbers don't violate privacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 08:06 PM
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Can you give a statistic that 95% of women are susceptible to RP behavior? I only know of one woman who is attracted to that type of man and she has borderline personality disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 04:23 AM
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Right. But statistically, women actually WILL marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 11:47 PM
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Do you have some evidence that it's not due to society?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 07:18 PM
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Right. Your statement was about who women marry. So mine was about that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 07:17 PM
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Men do not ask women who they are not interested in. The equivalent of a woman saying yes to a man who she is not attracted to would be a man propositioning a woman that he is not attracted to. I am not fond of our social restriction on women initiating romance but that's the current system. Men ask who they like, women accept those they like. In both cases, people are selecting for who they like and thus controlling their own sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 08:43 AM
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Apparently male sexuality is dependent on naked boobs being present in their newspaper. Who woulda thunk?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 08:39 AM
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No one has the right to have their naked boobs in someone else's newspaper. That is not a right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 08:36 AM
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And they have a right to not offend you if it's a bad financial decision for them. That is not controlling your sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 08:35 AM
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I don't want to control male sexuality except where it affects my own vagina. Like, I don't want to be raped basically. Other than that, men are free to act as they please. I am free to agree or disagree, which is not the same as controlling their sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 08:33 AM
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When you use absolutes, I assume you mean them. My bad. When apparently you mean the exact opposite? That almost half of women do marry men who make less?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 08:28 AM
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I did not give a "generality". I gave a mathematical example of how your statistic is flawed and doesn't adequately represent the divorce issue while disingenuously attempting to pretend men somehow "get out better" out of marriages than women. A mathematical example with no math? Do explain. I've literally praised good mothers whom take care of their husband and children. Well except for the part where they shouldn't get alimony since they haven't done anything. I did not "whine" about stay-at-…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 08:27 AM
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women will NOT date and marry men who make less than they do How is your point proven by the fact that women can and often do marry men who make less than them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:45 PM
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I have dated and married a man who made less than me. Most men make less than me. If they have a fulfilling career that they are passionate about, we're cool. I recently read a statistic that 40% of working women earn more than their husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 09:52 PM
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Women who put huge amounts of effort into their appearance likely have not had time to develop other areas of their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 09:35 PM
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My great grandmother told me that women in her generation also felt there were no good men. I think it is universal, like complaining about the damn kids these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 09:34 PM
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My platonic male friends matter as much as my female friends. Neither group matters as much as a monogamous partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 09:29 PM
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I value low SMV men. There are things that attract me to a person and that make me feel they would be a good person. Stability, devotion to a career, interesting and diverse interests, a little geekery. If I am sharing a great deal of my life exclusively with someone, I need someone who has similar values to mine. That doesn't mean people who are not career-oriented or engaged in life are bad people or bad friends. They are often great people and great friends. They just aren't my type in terms …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 09:22 PM
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If you made two bell curves with male and female sexual desire in each, the male one would definitely be higher on the X axis. I think it is a generality but also that this does not mean every man has a higher libido than every woman. I also think women have good reason to be more careful about who they sleep with, even if they have a high sex drive. We have the possibility of getting pregnant and also are more likely to catch an STI from a partner in heterosexual sex. There are also societal ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 09:16 PM
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I am not a fan of hidden contracts. Unfortunately, there are many hidden contracts involved in most cases of friendzoning, in my experience. The female thinks the guy is a friend and is not aware that she is dragging him along or that he has not recognized that he is and always will be just a friend. This is similar to a plate who secretly thinks her gentleman is going to marry her even though he has said otherwise. If the man being friendzoned and/or the woman acting as a friend do not share th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 05:19 PM
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Please share these facts regarding alimony statistics. I am assuming you have them, since you have based your opinions on them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 05:16 PM
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Well, produce the counter evidence that makes you think they are lying. Surely you aren't accusing the state of vast complicated conspiracies merely because facts contradict your opinions?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 07:54 AM
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You just have to read the overemotional, internally inconsistent, and in some cases blatantly false information on their sidebar. And then pick which of the conflicting facts and biotroofs applies to whatever you are trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 12:32 AM
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Thank you for so calmly explaining your perspective. I don't think we'll agree on whether it is abuse but I definitely am sorry that this has happened in your marriage and I hope you can work it out in a mutually satisfactory way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 11:31 PM
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There are hormonal changes as women get older. It's not a medical condition so much as a natural change that happens in many female bodies. Other than that, low but subclinical low testosterone, low but subclinical hypothyroid, etc. There are many conditions where a libido is the first thing to go. There is definitely a general societal acceptance of this which I imagine could be frustrating for men who want more sex. However, there are so many reasons for a low sex drive that I wouldn't jump to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 08:14 PM
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Your concern is very little if your husband keeps bringing home the money and paying for you to take care of your children. The VAST majority of women would be VERY happy to be in that position. Especially all of these feminist-created single mothers running around. First you said presented a stay at home blogger as a generality representing women getting divorced, then you said most women would be happy to have their lives. Which is it? To my knowledge (I'm not really a RPer), most would be hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 07:00 PM
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State collected statistics are fraud? LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 06:55 PM
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Women never have to be concerned about those things? I'm sitting in a house that I paid for, wearing clothes that I bought. My children are snug in beds I bought them with the tummies full of food I purchased and prepared. Good to know I never need to be concerned! Is a fairy godmother going to show up? Seriously though, if Red Pillers are against women working, then they need to be prepared to support those women. Meanwhile, the feminist bitches will go on working and supporting our families. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 07:06 AM
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True, but this little offshoot of the discussion was regarding an estimate that up to half of men are virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 06:51 AM
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Statistics are kept. You clearly would need time to crunch numbers carefully though, and by 'carefully' I mean 'fraudulently', considering that every article and statistic I can find claims the exact opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 06:50 AM
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I doubt that a person who has had a change in sex drive wanted that. Unlike looking for a job, sex is fun. If they thought they could change it, I imagine they would. Sex drives do change as people get older and modern medicine offers little for women who have this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 04:53 AM
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And you are incredibly good at reading (incorrectly) between the lines since I neither said not implied those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 04:51 AM
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You expect pay to back up your own opinions? You could just use the statistics out there but they don't appear to support your prejudices.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 04:50 AM
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Refusing to call it abuse is not blaming the victim. Many problems can occur, devastating problems, without abuse. Calling someone an abuser does not place responsibility equally. It places blame, directly on one person. My ex did have trouble finding a job, as did thousands of people in his field. It still wasn't abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 11:40 PM
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No, I presented no binary. There are multiple outcomes. Being nice to someone, assuming that niceness entitles you to sexual favors, and then getting angry when the price of a latte is not enough for a blow job is one of many options and makes you a shitty person. It's not easy to stop loving someone and I never said it was. However, you should stop performing favors for someone as soon as you realize you are doing this as part of a hidden contract that they did not sign. If men are really such …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 11:38 PM
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If he had no intention of finding a job, I would appreciate him saying "I have no intention of working. If you can't handle this, you should leave." That's actually the only way of handling the situation with integrity. I can imagine that it is extremely stressful when a partner either cannot or is not willing to meet your needs and they have no intention of changing this. FTR, I don't think it's your fault; in many cases, I don't think it is the withholding partner's fault either. In a monogamo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:38 PM
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You mentioned a poll on TRP as evidence. That was why I brought them up. Out of curiosity, what would TRP have for virgins by choice? You can get the non-PUA advice anywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:04 PM
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I know many low SMV men in fulfilling relationships. I can think of one guy with a literal neckbeard and fedora who has a very cute girlfriend who adores him. I think a lot of it is a lack of interpersonal skills. And that can be worked on, once you stop blaming women and start working on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:03 PM
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I think calling the behavior abusive is not helpful at all. When a partner is abusive, you leave them. When they are simply failing to meet your needs, you try other things first. For example, my husband was laid off. Many people in his field were laid off this year, including all of the middle management at his workplace. Because of this, I had to work much more than full time. It was stressful and led to some depression, anxiety, and more illness than usual. If a spouse refused to work suddenl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:01 PM
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Abuse of an adult does have to have some purposeful action. Children cannot care for themselves so adults assume that care. It's a different situation. I wouldn't be neglectful if I did not take my husband to the doctor or force him to go to school, but both of those are neglect in parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:28 PM
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I'm not surprised that men in TRP have fewer sex partners than other men. However, statistically, an adult virgin is rather rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:27 PM
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That is a good point regarding the semantics. I worked all night so meh I'm kind of bleary. Assault is illegal though, and certain behaviors are not allowed regardless of the person. I think denial of sex can be abuse but it is not inherently abuse. I have never felt like another human being owed me sex. I don't think human beings owe that to each other. Certainly it breaks the bonds of monogamy in some cases where it is being withheld for manipulative reasons. I just don't think these reasons a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 04:48 PM
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How is that shaming language? I use pissy and mad to describe certain negative behaviors. If a girl is stringing a guy along for favors, it should be easy to move on since she is a mean person not worthy of his affection. He performs the favors knowing that she is not attracted to him and then gets mad when getting in someone's pants isn't as easy as buying her a coffee?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 04:26 PM
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Nonetheless, if it were abusive then it would be abusive in general and not just when done to one person. If my husband hits me, it is abuse. If a walmart cashier hits me, it is abuse. If my husband refuses to have sex with me, it is not abuse. It could be emotionally abusive if he is using it as part of some fucked up mental game but the act of refusing sex is not abusive inherently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 04:24 PM
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Then show me statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 04:19 PM
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It was highly uncommon for women to have degrees in employable fields. Women were virtually unheard of in the major professions in the fifties. If you want to end feminism, those women need to go back home.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 04:19 PM
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You learned all those things today? Wow, sounds like a hard day. No one here has said anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 04:18 PM
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Stay-at-home-blogger-feminist is raising children for him and keeping his home so he can focus on his career, usually by mutual agreement. I work with men who have stay at home wives and their advantage is clear. They have a lot more energy to put into their jobs. They never have to leave work to care for a sick child, etc. The amount of child support he is paying in your scenario is what he would pay for child care if he had the children himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 04:17 PM
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A guy who genuinely loves a woman and wants to be with her won't get pissy and mad if she refuses to have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 04:12 PM
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If by divorce rape, you mean "the man generally comes out financially ahead," then I totally agree it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 02:41 AM
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I have said no to anyone not in a long term, committed, monogamous relationship with me. So that means I said no quite a bit before I was married. TIL that having a low N count makes you controlling and is a power play.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 02:40 AM
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The only way for feminism to die is to get women out of academia and the workplace. You asserted feminism would die with the baby boomers. I am sorry you did not think through the reality of your assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 02:38 AM
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I think it's all of the above, really. I am honestly not sure why I'm here. Initially, I started reading out of curiosity and horror. Then I made an account to comment on something I felt I needed to comment on. Now? After decades of minimal internetting, I have fallen down the rabbit hole. There are perspectives I have never heard and that fascinates me. Honestly, I don't see how the red pill could have any other effects than it did on me if you are talking about a normal woman. No personality …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 01:59 AM
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No. I have refused sex to men who didn't act like assholes when I said no. I know, it's crazy. Some men do not feel entitled to my vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 01:47 AM
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You should be nice to everyone regardless of your attraction to them. Little old men, small children, your friend's cats, etc. If you are nice just to get sex, as evidenced by the nice disappearing as soon as sex is denied, then you are an asshole. And that is the "nice guy" that people refer to. If you are nice and also want to get in a girl's pants, then cool. Whatevs. It's fine to want sex, it's not fine to pretend to be something you are not for sex nor to turn asshole the minute someone won…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 01:04 AM
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I really don't know how stigma would affect the numbers. But if a man is willing to tell a friend (like you) about it then they probably are similarly open on a CDC questionnaire. Really, I'm more shocked that a third of women have had anal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:47 AM
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Nice is part of being a decent human being. Part. Not the sole aspect. Someone who is nice to your face but would cheat you is lacking other aspects of decent humanity. I have dated and ultimately had sex with someone because they were kind, interesting, funny, etc. Every couple in my circle is together for similar reasons. You meet someone and have fun together, develop emotional intimacy, then physical intimacy. For real.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:46 AM
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I have known men who get angry and toss things around/swear/etc when they don't get their way. Their wives, children, coworkers, and everyone around them scurry trying to placate them. That's definitely using emotions to elicit an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:43 AM
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If they were just doing that, then I would wholeheartedly approve. Instead they are complaining voraciously that all women are scum. A relative of mine took some girl-free time to build his career. It paid off. He just stopped even thinking about dating for a few years, got his finances and shit seriously in order. I don't think anyone of any pill disagrees with that approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:41 AM
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His dread game: He either pretended to have an affair or had one. I'm kind of torn between the two theories. Started staying out late, going out for a quick errand and being gone for 6 hours, changed passwords on everything, spent an exorbitant amount of money on things that never entered this house. Why? Not sure. He was having a midlife crisis, had lost his job, and was generally very unhappy with life. At the same time, my career was on a steady upward swing and it really really got to him, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:29 AM
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The ones I have read are just really mad no one will have sex with them. Like enraged, depressed, all the feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:20 AM
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My college friend was raised super fundamentalist. Homeschooled, never saw anyone outside of church. She left her religion at 18 and set off to become a doctor. She learned about evolution for the first time. Everything she had been told about evolution was wrong and finally she understood it! She was thrilled. I have never known someone who gets so excited over evolution. I would expect a red piller to have the same reaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:12 AM
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I'm sure he is just as angry as the men who lose girlfriends and wives because of the red pill. Losing a relationship hurts. Live and learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:10 AM
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You are allowed to feel anger. By all means, have all the anger you want. But don't claim you are less emotional than women at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:09 AM
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Except for the "until he found it" part.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:07 AM
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How do you explain MGTOW then?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:07 AM
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Men use anger in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:00 AM
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You asked why someone is assuming they just want sex. Well, if they didn't want sex then there would be no friend zone whining. How is this answer shaming in any way?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 11:58 PM
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Yes, I agree. That's probably important if it isn't clearly a satire post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 11:56 PM
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It lead to an immediate cessation of sex and later divorce papers when my husband used it. My private parts dry up like the Sahara when I think a partner is being unfaithful. To be fair, there were other red pill sanctioned behaviors as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 11:54 PM
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Over on married red pill, one guy used dread this way: he went out every evening and stayed out late, leaving his wife alone with an infant. He refused to tell her where he was going or respond to calls and texts. When my soon-to-be-ex used dread, he did something similar but also dropped little hints that he was having an affair. I'm still not sure what he was trying to accomplish but he didn't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 11:52 PM
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It's especially hard when you have no education or career and you rely on reddit for dating advice, I imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 11:41 PM
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If they don't want sex, then they are happy to just be friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 11:38 PM
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I've never known people like that. You sure do attract assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 11:37 PM
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It's at least as true as divorce rape and other red pill concepts. It's fun to watch the tantrums when I bring actual statistics into an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 11:34 PM
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It's covered in Nisa: The Life and Words of a !Kung Woman as well as Mother Nature by Sarah Blaffer Hrdy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 11:32 PM
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Iran is theocratic and progressive ideas will get you punished severely. They have an anemic support for liberal ideas for the same reason that North Korea has anemic support for any leader that isn't Kim Jong Un. I think most people are aware of panresistant bacteria, especially in the medical field. And physicians are the gatekeepers to these drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 11:07 PM
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That's an interesting prediction. Will I suddenly lose my graduate degrees and no longer be allowed to work in a field that desperately needs workers when my mom dies? I doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 10:56 PM
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Did you say upthread that you have a psych background? Have you heard the current hypothesis that ASPD and BPD are two gendered sides of the same disorder, so to speak? It's a concept that interests me. I had a borderline PD grandparent and there is a person with the disorder in my extended social group who wreaks a great deal of havoc. I've read up quite a bit on BPD because I really want to understand why a person would be so awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 10:46 PM
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I agree some people are just evil. Nonetheless, that sounds similar to advice that the red pill has extended. They seem to admire sociopathic behavior though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 10:41 PM
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You are correct that I misread that. Sorry. I really was not trying to mislead. The graph at the top of page 2 of this CDC report says 89% of 22-24 year old men have had vaginal sex and another 3% have had oral but not vaginal. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf I realized that I likely do know a few virgin males in their mid 20s, although these are very religious males who likely are not involuntarily celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 10:37 PM
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You don't need to take a group seriously to extend equal rights. Example: I don't take clowns seriously. I still want them to marry who they love, not get evicted for being clowns, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 10:22 PM
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So you have established that a person who supports trans rights might not necessarily be sexually attracted to them? slow clap
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 10:19 PM
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It seems like most adult men who cannot get laid meet the same criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 10:12 PM
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Yes, I am a woman. However, research backs up my beliefs that post-education-aged male virgins are rare in the US. American men lose their virginity at 17 on average, 0.3 years older than female counterparts, and by age 23 more than 90% have had sex [1]. Unless you are hanging out with people under 17 or an exceptionally socially awkward group, your estimate that 50% were virgins is likely not correct. [1] http://wayback.archive.org/web/20061120093911/http://www.newstrategist.com/productdetails/…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:58 PM
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On an interesting note, this man's actions sound straight out of the red pill playbook. I agree that men and women both need more support when ending a relationship. I know I have been offered very little support in real life with leaving an emotionally abusive Red Piller. Actually no support at all, outside of general emotional support that also is offered to men in my circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:29 PM
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Fluid sexuality in pop psychology refers to the gender one is attracted to, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:21 PM
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There are a variety of instances in which people identify with an ideology prejudiced against them. I recently happened upon the blog of a Jew who identifies with neo-Nazis, for example. I have seen a lot of conflicting stories from red pillers concerning most of their core principles. The one key belief shared by all is that if it works, it's red pill. If it doesn't work, you were red pilling wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:16 PM
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I don't know any male virgins over the age of 17. Are you very young?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 07:34 PM
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Most sociopaths are men, so shouldn't women be the ones who are worried? Honestly, I could see going MGTOW to avoid BPD women. Especially considering that Red Pill techniques are the kind that would attract borderline women. If it's a toxic relationship or nothing, then definitely go for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 07:30 PM
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So a review of the outcomes of every divorce in a state is not sufficient but your personal opinion is? Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 05:45 PM
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But that statement puts not having sex in the same category as hitting someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 05:44 PM
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Edit: Also RP definitely does have an equivalent for the woman. It's called "I am leaving you." Yep. I have personally used that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:15 AM
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I think he meant evidence other than reddit threads and MRA websites. Like, actual evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:51 AM
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Why assume it's always a woman? I am in a divorce and while this was not part of the issues surrounding it, the occasional sexual slow downs were caused either by me giving birth or him not feeling like sex. I never considered this abuse. I'm pretty much down for sex any time with a committed long term partner and a lot of men are not like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:36 AM
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Are you really comparing not having sex to hitting someone? If so, you believe a monogamous woman is assaulting every man she interacts with except her sex partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:34 AM
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The partner who has lost desire did not choose to lose desire. For whatever reason, they are not interested in sex anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:32 AM
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Most rape doesn't occur in the 'revealing clothing out at a night club' scenario though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:23 AM
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I asked for a citation? A statistic that it has gone up?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:12 AM
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Nice is part of being a basic decent human being. Pretending to be nice just to get in someone's pants is shitty and these guys get rejected because you can smell that a mile away.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:08 AM
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Rejecting actual evidence for anecdata. It won't surprise anyone familiar with the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:07 AM
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I am reluctant to get into too many personals but I'll answer as best as I can. I am in a profession that is recognized, that children sometimes say they want to be when they grow up. I am near 40. I work for a large private corporation, although I have a decent nonprofit background. I am introverted and bookish. My friends think I am smart and funny. I am called 'clever' and 'driven' a lot. I have the mandatory friendly acquaintances necessary for professional life and a much smaller close circ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:05 AM
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Where are these women? I'm honestly perplexed. I work in an industry where pay and promotions are based on hard numbers and I have never committed a crime so I have never been let off one by virtue of being female. I don't even know women who need this pussy pass much less those who actually receive it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 12:28 AM
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You forgot a third option: He is nice to him, she is nice to him; he wants to have sex, she doesn't; he doesn't have a meltdown because he understands that he doesn't deserve sexual favors simply for being decent. This third option actually seems like the most common one because most people are decent human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 11:05 PM
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I think the stereotypical "nice guy" sees niceness as a contract of sorts. "I was nice and now you're going to have sex with me, right?" A good guy is nice just because that's how people should act. You can tell "nice guys" because they are the ones who get angry when they hold the door for a girl and don't get a blowjob. This is strange and creepy behavior even if the most attractive man in the world is doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 10:59 PM
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Let's assume it's all completely true. So red pill tactics work on a small selection of bar fly women and also lead to rape in some cases. That doesn't say anything positive about the approach, does it? Let's assume it's all a total lie. The red pill doesn't work, period. That also doesn't say anything positive. I assume these are all humans, that some things are true and some aren't. I see no reason for someone to lie about being a rapist. I do see reasons for people to lie about how successful…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 10:26 PM
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It gives new meaning to "putting pussy on a pedestal."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 10:20 PM
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I'm very sorry and I hope Gentleman recovers his health and dignity at a speedy pace.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 10:05 PM
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I linked to a lawyer considered an expert in his field who says that. Many have noted a decrease in alimony. Laws have been passed to limit it. These are good things in my opinion and I am not sure why you would want to deny that. Your assertions have been proven objectively wrong by data. Apparently relying on data makes me arrogant and nonsensical in the eyes of red pillers, which frankly is not surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 06:24 PM
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Do you have a citation that the rate of alimony awards has gone up? All other experts feel it has gone way down and that people receive it for a much smaller amount of time now. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jefflanders/2011/07/12/in-many-states-alimony-reform-has-gone-too-far/ Do you feel the same way about alimony when women are ordered to pay it? 40% of women now earn more than their husbands. I'm not going to address your rhetoric on what alimony is. That is not the purpose of alimony and prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 08:44 AM
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The only study I know of is the 1989 Gender Bias Study of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, which found that fathers who sought primary or joint custody received it 70% of the time. The only figures I can find regarding alimony put the figure well under half, the most reliable looking one finding that 26% of divorces include an alimony order. And in cases where the woman is the higher earner, she is the one paying it. You can believe what you believe but your beliefs are contrary to actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 05:55 AM
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Men who seek custody get it the majority of the time. Most women do nor receive alimony in modern divorce settlements. Thus, many people in North America clearly believe these things that you claim no one believes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 09:12 PM
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The term patriarchy refers to institutions and societal attitudes rather than individuals. That's why you sound like you are not familiar with the concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 09:10 PM
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Most of the time, men end up financially better off after a divorce and women end up worse off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 01:35 AM
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Women lose in divorce, statistically. Men win in divorce, statistically. You can come up with "but what did they pay to win?!?!" arguments but you can't get around the basic fact that most men have financial incentive to divorce and most women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 10:24 PM
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I think 99% easily agree that reading and exercising are a good thing. Whether they do them? Different concept entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 10:22 PM
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Do you really think that the majority of the population doesn't believe that reading and working out are desirable behaviors?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:29 PM
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Well, this is another example of where the red pill steers way off the path of proven fact. Statistically men have the financial incentive to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 01:33 AM
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The good parts of the red pill are common sense and agreed with by 99% of the population. Those parts are not crazy. The rest is incorrect, usually proven so by multiple studies, or designed to out-manipulate the particularly manipulative people among us. It won't work on a female who does not have a personality disorder or other issues such as self esteem problems. I can see why they're afraid of getting married. I would fear marriage also if my mating practices selected for only the most shall…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:36 PM
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What do they have right? This is a case where the red pill overlaps with common practice and common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:51 AM
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You can probably find a woman saying it is emotional abuse to be denied sex, and you can also find men saying that it is emotional abuse as well. Neither case is legally emotional abuse. So you have strict equality here and are unhappy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:41 AM
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If they both can deny it, how is this somehow worse for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:40 AM
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The husband can reject sexual advances 100% of the time as well, so the wife does not have any special power in that regard. And most of the time, the man comes out better in the divorce. Both have equal sexual rights and the man statistically has more financial incentive to divorce. Is that what you really consider screwed?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:37 AM
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Can you provide a statistic that women are better off financially in the short term after a divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:25 PM
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Expensive for one side yes. A money maker for the other. Like that? It's a money maker for women? Or do you want to play semantic games now that you've been proven wrong...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 04:56 PM
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Weird. In another thread on this same subreddit, a few alphas are telling me that it's all self-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:54 AM
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Maybe that should be on the Red Pill sidebar and not, say, women are teenagers with no agency. The things on the sidebar and the things written by endorsed contributors imply a very different philosophy than the one you describe. Either way, it's all good. I don't need a Captain. I am not a sailor and my house is not the military.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:11 AM
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Another person who can't differentiate "extremely rare events" from "events that are a motivating factor for women as a group."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:09 AM
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I saw the Red Pill specifically but... Married Red Pill is a derivative, no? Hence the name? tbh I only read at MRP through a link from TRP. I'm relatively new to reddit and the whole computer socializing business. I completely accept my failings in this. It takes two to argue or to have any problem, really. He'd been having some midlife crisis issues and I was not as supportive as I could have been, in part because I was very busy trying to hold our lives together. I don't think that warrants t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:08 AM
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Most women end up worse off and most men end up better off. Your analogy is not the logical equivalent of this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 01:03 AM
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Sources are the recommended reading on the side bar and comments. I know there are a lot of angry young men there, but there are also endorsed members who seem to have the same vitriol. It's a different vitriol--more cold disdain than rage--but still not a healthy way to approach any relationship with a woman. Nothing that I have seen at the Red Pill says "It's not hamstering or a shit test if the woman has a legitimate concern" such as finances. If anything, the narrative is that women are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 12:37 AM
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Would I respond differently to thinking he is having an affair if he was more attractive? No. My husband was quite attractive to me until this behavior; we had a healthy sex life. He is still objectively physically attractive but I just don't feel it. Disloyalty is the turn off. Until this behavior started, I really would not have agreed I was better off without him. He was unemployed, yes, but then he supported the family for years when I went off-plan and decided to stay home with children for…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 12:22 AM
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The average woman becomes poorer in a divorce and thus has no incentive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 09:52 PM
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It takes two people to make a marriage work. It's not fair to say as a generality that one gender is responsible. I see plenty of red pill men advised to 'next' a woman for not meeting their needs or not going out of their way to remain attractive. I think you are projecting your own motives onto other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 09:51 PM
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Women statistically are worse off financially after a divorce while men are better off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 09:42 PM
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I know a woman who is kind of like this. She is a relative of a friend and I actively avoid her when possible. I have known men like this as well but this woman happens to be in proximity to me quite a bit so I'll use her as an example. She has a personality disorder. It is diagnosed pathology. It is not normal. I read somewhere that 10% of the population has a personality disorder so it's not exactly rare but I would be hesitant to say all women or all people are like this. I feel bad for her b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 09:32 PM
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I have not been reading there for long, but the literature on the sidebar and upvoted comments from endorsed members point out that: Women are teenagers and not to be taken seriously. This is the best thing they are called; a walking pussy, a f*ckhole, a hamster, and a snake are among other terms used to describe women. Thus it was very red pill of my husband to consider my concern over everyday matters like finances to be shit testing or attempts to dominate him. I don't ask my teenager how I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 09:10 PM
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Tl;dr you're butthurt I talked about women without also calling out men? 1) I actually did speak about men, when asked. And so has TRP. But the fact is, its just not our focus. If the Red Pill truly was a male self-improvement thing and not a woman-hating thing, wouldn't men be your focus?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:51 PM
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Treating you like a child as in washing your lunchbox?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 03:46 PM
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What I am describing is straight out of the playbook. Red pill behavior like dread game? Holding frame against the hamstering and shit tests? Doing what you want and wife has no inherent right to input because you are the Captain? I've seen people on the red pill claim that asking a man about his hobbies is some sort of test. My husband didn't claim anything. I saw the red pill on his computer when he went to another room. I later looked it up and there was his entire strategy of late. I initial…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 03:44 PM
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I don't think you should apologize on demand. You're not a squeaky toy. On the other hand, these alpha behaviors will cause power struggles like these. They just will. You are trying to be captain instead of a the partner she signed up for. Eventually you'll both learn to share power or you'll divorce. I don't know how old you are, but age could have something to do with this. I was more prone to bullshit like demanding apologies in my early twenties. I wouldn't have used sex though, because I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 08:12 AM
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Yeah. Making someone apologize is lame. I don't even make my kids apologize. Using sex as a weapon seems counterproductive as well, since both people get pleasure from it. Leaving your wife with the baby and the bills while you go out and party is an entirely different level of lame. Like, level 1000 lame. And then expecting your wife to be hot and waiting for you? lol red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 08:09 AM
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It wrecked my marriage. I don't see how it could have any other result with a woman who is doing her part and expects the same of her husband. I mean, I can't prove online that it wrecked my marriage and you can't prove it has saved anyone's marriage. So here we are at an impasse and must rely on common sense: women don't like being treated like gerbils and my vagina snaps shut like a mousetrap if I think a partner is cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 08:03 AM
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As a red pill soon-to-be-ex-wife, I'm not sure what you consider success. Saving marriage. I filed for a divorce as a result of red pill behaviors combined with marital issues from before the red pill. We had some issues but I had no intention of divorcing him before the Captain Dominant started. Increase happiness. I sure hope he is happier. I am not happier while going through the divorce but I project I will actually be happier on a daily basis once I am divorced than I was married. At a huge…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:58 AM
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