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It's a place to highlight the issues that men have in today's society, much like a place like /r/TwoXChromosomes is to highlight women's issues (though, the subreddit wasn't created just for that reason). EDIT: I'll admit that the sub has it's major flaws. There's no doubt that certain people come here just to talk shit about women.
/r/PussyPassDenied19/11/17 04:57 PM
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I wouldn't break up, but it would definitely cause problems that could lead to a breakup. Trust is paramount in a relationship-- and without it, why have one in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 03:10 AM
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TL;DR at the end. They go out wearing extremely tight or revealing clothing, they go to the grocery store in high heels, slamming make-up, etc. They come to parties and just show off their body and try to get attention from men on the basis of what they look like. They compare themselves to other women on who looks better and who puts better photos on Instagram. They go to Coachella or bars with their midriffs showing and wanting to attract attention to their looks. The definition of sexual obje…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 03:05 AM
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This depends on your view on relationships. If you really don't want anything serious, then yeah, why not? But if you want a partner that will be there for you romantically and sexually, then being her boyfriend would be ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 02:34 AM
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By that definition, literally everyone who has sex would be a prostitute. No one exchanges dinner and drinks for sex (well, not normally). Dinner and drinks may be what lead to sex because of the good time a couple is having, but it isn't prostitution. No one says "Oh, you paid for this gift, let's fuck. I owe you one." I get that some people want to "reward" their partners for a good time, but prostitutes don't "reward". tl;dr No.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 02:33 AM
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god damn dude relax
/r/PussyPassDenied07/05/17 01:40 PM
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I believe it was because she was related to the guy.
/r/PussyPassDenied28/04/17 01:46 PM
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Well, because it is. Being a low-SMV or RMV man as well as being a divorcee or in a toxic marriage is a very specific category to be in. Of course a lot of people in TRP are going to think in somewhat of the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:23 AM
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I mean, nothing can truly be equal in some cases, but legally, socially, and politically, I believe men and women can be equal and we should strive to further the rights of both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:21 AM
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5'4" manlet here. I'm pretty much okay with anything not too far from my own height, maybe a range of 4'8" to 6'4". What are your thoughts? On...?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:11 AM
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Have you ever watch that episode of Arthur where the Tibble twins learn that telling the truth is good, but they end up offending everyone because of it and just becomes more of a general annoyance more than virtuous, truthful angels? Yeah. That's basically what people should be doing. Tell the truth, sure. Just don't blatantly point it out for no reason, unless you'd like the same said about your own insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:07 AM
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Pssh. Watch me win this argument. -clears throat- Feminist. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:36 AM
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Well, that depends on the person. I've seen a larger trend of women on social media go for the casual pretty picture, but there are always some that will go the sarcasm/irony route instead with their pictures for a humorous effect rather than an infatuating effect. On the topic of men and their pictures, I do see a large trend in the average male selfie-- the eyebrows raised, the upper eyelid more open than usual, the forehead leading the rest of the face in the foreground, etc. Many (younger, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 03:34 AM
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In all honesty, I see a small amount more women do it, but a good amount of younger men do the same as well. This is from my own personal experience/looking at my social media feed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 03:07 AM
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RP-leaning PP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 05:55 PM
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As a fairly unmasculine man, I can say that I do it sometimes, but it isn't to every single woman I encounter. Effeminate men? Yeah, probably. Truth is, everyone checks everyone out, sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 11:45 PM
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I feel like this is a direct response to what I posted in that one thread earlier. Allow me to explain my view. In the situation that was posed in the thread I posted in, a man and a woman are married but aren't sexually active anymore. The man is frustrated, and the woman refuses to talk about it. Here are my solutions: 1 - Communication Just fucking talk. It's that simple. It isn't a full plan, but it's a start. Revealing your problems and having your partner reveal theirs to you not only stre…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 11:43 PM
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Hey, it's me! Look, my point is that some problems are too late to be fixed. That's why you have old geezers saying "Don't get married, kid. You'll ruin your life." At the best, you can get marriage counseling or self-improve, but other than that, in certain situations, you're fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 11:36 PM
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It isn't necessarily "masculine"... But it's normal. Just moderate yourself. Don't get too crazy with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 11:35 PM
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I try my best not to ignore them. I'm red-leaning, if anything. It's just that society won't listen to you if you don't take into account that they're being ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 11:34 PM
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And I have nothing to deny that fact, but we've digressed. What were we even talking about before this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 11:33 PM
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I have no doubts that TRP is by all means pragmatic. Hell, that's what TRP appealed to me with-- making sense. And it seriously does make very good points-- it's just that these points they make seem so narcissistic and ugly that people don't want to look at them, when in reality it's the ugly truth. However, in a society where ugly truths are ignored, that's where I have to abandon TRP. They're smart, they're practical, but they aren't fit in modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 11:23 PM
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When I want or need to be. Though I prefer genuine lies if that makes sense. I don't like juggling actual lies and keeping them straight. I get that you need to lie sometimes. I just can't imagine lying to people that close to me over something so serious. It's been over 5 years. But I have no intention of getting married. To each his own, I guess. I don't settle. Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 11:20 PM
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But here's the thing-- even if you are in an upper part of the sexual or romantic market, people have preferences. The price isn't going to be the same for everyone. It's just basic economics knowing that investing in that sort of market is just premonition for disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 11:19 PM
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You can't be a masculine man, know your advantage over women, know that women must be handled differently than men, and simultaneously believe you're treating women as equals and see them as equals without some cognitive dissonance. The thing is, women aren't looking for biological equality. That's impossible. They're looking for equality in terms of the law, jobs, society, etc. Arguably, they already have it, and yes, it will require cognitive dissonance to have to be so manipulative that you e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 11:18 PM
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I just don't get it. It may be my own opinion, and I hate taking the "high and mighty pedestal of virtue", but I honestly just don't get how people can be that shallow. It legitimately hurts, and I guess I might just be a different person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 10:40 PM
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What's irrational and psychopathic is your own belief that something we put into effect for the betterment of all people (i.e. society and morality) is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 10:39 PM
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I manipulate people all the time and they love it, I make them feel good. So you're saying you're a liar? My SO and I are both highly manipulative, but it's probably part of why we're so into each other lol. Why do I feel like this relationship isn't going to last? Game only matters more after you go exclusive, and even more after a man marries. You know, they call it "settling down" for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 10:26 PM
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That's the thing-- why hold people up to "value" when it's completely subjective?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 10:24 PM
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As much as I believe that, we still have society and morals, something the cavemen didn't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 10:12 PM
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In a way, seduction is manipulation, but it's on a scale much less serious than jealousy and dreadgaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 10:07 PM
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But the whole point is to make them jealous, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 10:06 PM
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I dunno. Banter is fun. Negging isn't. Dreadgaming is definitely something that a narcissist would do. Self-improvement, on the other hand, can be wonderful if done right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:57 PM
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They can be, but to do so requires cognitive dissonance. I'd like you to elaborate on this point. Yes, not actually bad people. Bad to feminists, not worthy of a woman. Well, who's to say who is and who isn't worthy of a woman? Putting on the image of a feminist while using women for sex, relying on their masculinity. You mean like Dennis from It's Always Sunny? You know he's a caricature of everything wrong with narcissists, right? Because in a society if someone is a Good feminist it's expecte…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:56 PM
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If attraction is so important, then why would you waste your time fucking your SO over by rubbing your self-improvement in their noses? That seems extremely UNattractive, to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:48 PM
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So your ideal man is a shallow one that only focuses on excitement? As much as I like to compare us to animals, that's just primitive. We aren't cavemen anymore, we have society. Also... Making an effort with the goal of getting a result is stupid. But what about a guy who is just a natural? A handsome, confident and well dressed man will naturally get attention from other women. Then why base it around making your woman jealous and not just self-improvement like TRP claims it's doing? It just s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:43 PM
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The thing is, as much as we do want it to be the same, we just can't be on some level. Traditionally, men are supposed to work for sex, while females are seen as "givers of consent", i.e. givers of sex. They grant men with the privilege of sex. It's really unfair, but there's really no way to solve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:39 PM
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Thing is, I'm not objecting manipulation. I'm objecting bad manipulation. On top of this, of course there's going to be a power dynamic, but negging and dreadgaming isn't the way to solidify that, at least not in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:38 PM
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Oh, so you have a gene splicer and some of Chad's DNA, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:10 PM
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The thing is, "value" is completely subjective. A 10 to you might be a 1 to me and vice versa. Whoever learns that you're a manipulative cunt is instantly turned away from your grasp, and if it's someone if high value to you, then she, you're fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:10 PM
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Elaborate on that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:04 PM
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Well if you're going to do that, why not just go up to them and say "Hey, I'm going to go improve myself. Want to join me?" We're acting like this is an individual thing, when relationships should be much more than a contest of who can end up worth more by the end of a shitty relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:03 PM
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But we aren't talking about little things. We're talking about purposely making someone jealous, on top of hurting their self-confidence, all for saving a dead relationship. It just doesn't seem logical to save a ship that's halfway underwater.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:01 PM
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Become attractive How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:57 PM
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Oh, believe me. My parents taught me enough of that. And to answer your second question, I honestly don't know. People? We aren't exactly in a highschool drama, but if you're a bullshitter for long enough you start to smell like bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:56 PM
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I'm a dude. From my own experiences, I can say that guys are just as emotional as women. It just isn't as socially acceptable to be an emotional guy, but that's besides the point. Feelings die, of course. It's an ugly part of human nature that most wish didn't exist-- but sometimes we just get bored. I don't know how to fix humans. I don't even think you can fix humans. What's your solution? Jealousy? There's no true love in jealousy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:54 PM
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Just because manipulation is an everyday thing doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it. I feel that on small, non-important things, it's fine. But something as sensitive as a relationship? No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:46 PM
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I'm not laying out any full plans here. I'm just saying-- this is the first step. If the woman can't stop being a child​ about it, then maybe you did make an irreversible mistake. I have nothing else to say that can help repair a broken marriage besides "counseling".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:45 PM
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Either "tactic" is a bunch of bullshit that I hope no one ever has to go though, yet people still will.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:43 PM
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It has a possibility of working. If it doesn't, you're painted as a manipulative cunt. Save yourself the trouble and just break it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:41 PM
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It's basically making someone so jealous that they try to find validation that they're still important by slaving towards you. I know what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:39 PM
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I couldn't give less of a shit about women and their "spirituality" or whatever the hell you're claiming. I'm just saying that women make as much mistakes and associate with "dickheads and thugs" because, just maybe, they relate to them. I'll never see what their appeal is, but I know that not every woman is going to fall for the big bad alpha Chad you're afraid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:37 PM
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Letting each other know how you feel is the first step to an accurate and efficient rebuilding of your relationship. You can't rebuild a town with the wrong blueprints.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:34 PM
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As much as it is stereotypical for a BP or PPer to not give any actual advice, I can't say I know what to do besides finding a professional or just talking. There's no good way to solve this problem, unless you have an alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:33 PM
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I never got why people had to argue about value and economics in a sexual market. If partners are looking for anything, it definitely isn't fawning over SMV. It's love and care, no matter what. In other words, I couldn't care less about SMV. Sex is great and all, but it shouldn't control you, your lifestyle, your choice in partners, or anything of the sort. Using jealousy to boost an already dying relationship is just pointless IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:27 PM
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The ability to manipulate is indeed a form of "control", isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:22 PM
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Manipulation is not "controlling people" it's the oposite in fact. If you had control over someone you would have no need to manipulate them. But manipulation is what controls people. Also I never said it was "good". Almost nothing is inherently good or bad. It depends on the context. Telling your wife she looks great before going out to a social function is manipulation. Manipulation can be good, I understand this. But it can also be negatively attributed, in that vein. Consent has nothing to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:24 PM
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No problem! Yes. Of course they'll say otherwise. Half my point, and why men must say what women want to hear but treat them like a normal masculine man anyways. "Normal masculine men" can be feminists. Some may be in it for manipulative reasons, and that isn't because feminism made them that way. It's just because they're manipulative people. True. They go Bad or Evil. Not always Evil(monster). Let me rephrase. Just because a nice person is deprived of sex from feminists doesn't mean that they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:19 PM
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I'm sure you're a great guy. You're doing what you can, keep it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:11 PM
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Then don't have children with people you don't actually love. I see too many people rush into marriages without thinking about it and then being surprised that it didn't work out the way they hoped it. Personally, I'm never getting married until I find someone I'm extremely compatible with. I'd rather be alone than with someone I don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:11 PM
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Yeah, I know how you feel. My parents were somewhat in the same vein. I felt like a burden, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:09 PM
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Negging isn't just playful banter-- it can lead to actual confidence problems. If playful banter is negging, then hell, I've been negging all my life and no one seems to be breaking down my door for a shot at seducing me. Also... Also manipulation is something that everyone does all the time. There is nothing inherently wrong with manipulation. First of all, just because someone does something all the time doesn't make it good. Secondly, manipulation is the controlling of someone through tricks …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:09 PM
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Well, you did say that: The problem is her lack of sexual attraction for him; and his lack of attractiveness. The real problem is the stiffness of the bitchy caricature of a spouse that I'm infuriated to have to even deal with theoretically in my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:05 PM
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Your first mistake was marrying someone who, to you, was easily replaceable (and also had baby rabies, unless you're into that). Don't let marriage be a one-sided affair. If one side is attracted more than the other, that's just premonition for disaster. Also... That mindset is pounded into men's heads from our earliest memories. It's not just scarcity. It's "be nice, be yourself, supplicate, pedestalize, give her everything, you're lucky ANY woman wants you", etc. etc. It's pounded into us from…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:04 PM
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IMO, I just can't get behind having to manipulate someone to keep a relationship afloat. If Old Yeller is sick, why keep him alive? Just execute the poor bastard and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:00 PM
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My point exactly. If you aren't compatible, then fuck it, leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:59 PM
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TRP is against idolizing women and very against the women-are-wonderful effect and pussy-on-a-pedestal. I want to agree with this. I want TRP to actually be against idolizing women. But when your viewpoint is that women are literally milestones of achievement to you and nothing else, it becomes hard to believe that you aren't just in it for the easy pussy. Getting women is generally a mere milestone in the larger picture of self-improvement. If a man can't get women then he isn't much of a man a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:59 PM
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Then maybe it's a self-help problem. Here's where communication comes in again-- why not ask her what to improve? Any understanding spouse will recognize what needs to be improved with their partner and bring it up with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:50 PM
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Well, if that's an aluminum cap to you, there's still manipulation and negging you need to face.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:49 PM
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Irrelevancy It's definitely relevant to the situation, as much as you don't want to think of it that way. What is relevant is that because of my conduct and hers, she thought she could treat me like she was. And I had put up with it for a long time until my back was finally against the wall. Well, maybe you should have told her to back off. There's nothing wrong with that. I was no longer afraid of Mrs. Cross divorcing me and taking the kids and half my shit. I'm still not afraid of it, because …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:49 PM
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You'd be surprised how much talking does. Talking has gotten me out of more dumb situations than I can count, but that's besides the point. What do you propose the man do in that situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:46 PM
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That's a fair argument. The real question, however, is how to fix a relationship with no sex. The only solutions I can think of is "start having sex" and "marriage counseling". Do you have anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:44 PM
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I'm not sure if this is a legitimate answer or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:43 PM
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Yeah, age kills sex more than people do. I'm sure that the couple aren't agreeing to not have sex. They just aren't satisfied with each other. The question posed by the scenario is "how do you save a marriage with a lack of sex?" and the only answer I can think of is telling them exactly how you feel, and having them tell you exactly how they feel. The "dread game", no matter how much people claim it'll work in relationships, only works when they actually care about you and you want them to chas…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:42 PM
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Do you agree that there's a divide between a husband and a wife when they can't communicate about their own sexual wants and needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:39 PM
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That's a fair argument, but for the record, making dumb choices about who you end up with is a road that leads to hurt and dismay. Some problems are just too late to fix without professional help.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:38 PM
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My parents went through the exact same thing. Shit dies out when you get older, I know. Why did you marry this woman? Was it true love? Was it just some one-off thing that became more? I need to know the context, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:37 PM
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Trophies? absolutely not. Here's the top post of /r/theredpill. The mere concept of rating women (or for that matter, anything) based on appearance is usually going to lead to them being idolized or seen as a trophy. A goal to achieve. Yes, women can be a reward for your own self-improvement, but that doesn't excuse that /r/theredpill actively pursues them instead of self-improvement. Negging? never hurt anyone. if done correctly women eat it up So, manipulation never hurt anyone? Objectifying? …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:36 PM
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I'll agree with you on the fact that manipulating people for a good cause is inherently good. But for something as simple and petty as sexual pleasure? I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:29 PM
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They even told me in bed they loved the way that I treated them like shit. I don't know if it's just me, but I'm having a hard time believing that someone literally said "I enjoy it when you treat me terribly". You sure it isn't, like, a kink or something? Just because someone is into spanking or something doesn't mean they want people to do it to them whenever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:27 PM
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Then maybe you made the wrong choice of spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:26 PM
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Well, what do you propose? Manipulating them into sex, i.e. "dread gaming" them? That's just selfish, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:26 PM
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Assuming these all have to do with physical appearance, I'd say that it definitely matters (with the exclusion of penis size, unless you're at some nudist beach or something) within the terms of first impressions, along with your voice, the appearance of your hands, face, etc. However, this can all be ruined if you tell them you're a Satanist or you sacrifice babies to Cthulu or you're severely insecure about your 20 inch penis or something. The second, third, fourth, and so on impressions outwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:24 PM
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I totally and wholeheartedly agree as a Woman™. I carry around a pocket X-ray all the time just to make sure that a potential partner has a nice-looking femur.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:22 PM
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Negging, treating them as trophies and objects, etc. Just take a look at all the dating advice on TRP and tell me you don't smell the slightest hint of women objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:19 PM
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No, I haven't. But I believe that if you truly want to save your marriage, you should find a counselor and get a talk with your partner. That's the only thing keeping the wife and husband in scenario B from solving their problems-- talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:18 PM
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Hanging out with Asian kids got me worse-- becoming close-minded. I'm only so thankful I realized what was wrong with my community.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:17 PM
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The catch 22 is that the ideal feminist man according to feminist ideals is this gentle, considerate, kind, compassionate man that does not see himself as superior to women, treats them equally and holds them in equal regard compared to men, doesn't impose himself on others without permission, respects people's space, rights, privacy, feelings, desires, opinions. These are Good feminist men. Alright... Yet this man is not at all what women find sexually attractive. Good feminist men are not sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:16 PM
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a) His main problem here is that he lacks an edge, or initiative. For those that don't have the power or confidence to initiate, I see that forming a meaningful friendship and building on that works out rather than resorting to a bunch of first dates that could probably end quickly. b) The guy made a bad choice in the first place marrying someone that won't talk to him about her problems. You shouldn't manipulate anyone into sex using the dread game. Find a marriage counselor. Overall, just don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 05:51 PM
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women are free to sleep around Not necessarily. A new social stigma is arising that's allowing women to have more sexual freedom and choice of partner, but that's the most of it. TRP getting shamed by using tactics to get laid No one's telling TRP to be ashamed because they're having sex. They're being shamed because those "tactics" can end up hurting a woman who genuinely want to pursue a longer-term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 05:42 PM
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As an Asian, I can safely say that we're no less racist than you guys. Asian people (at least the ones I knew and grew up around in a small Asian community) were very distrusting of whites, or any other race for that matter. It got to the point where my Asian friends would ridicule me for having white friends, and it would take serious convincing to have a white friend over or to go to a white friend's house. The first question my parents would always ask me when I asked to go to a friends house…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 05:38 PM
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I'm Asian too, dude...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 05:06 PM
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Racial trends are a thing, and while they don't describe an entirety of a group of a certain gender and race, they're still trends. I'm not sure how race can fit into a gender debate subreddit without it having to do with gender-race trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 04:53 PM
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I'm usually a centrist on most topics, so I only really leaned towards the red side rather than the blue. Red seemed logical and still makes good points. It's just that some of the RPers spewed toxic bullcrap that I went along with. I looked at myself and was like "wait what the fuck am I doing" and dropped it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 04:06 PM
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It depends on her previous relationships with these partners. If the majority were just grab-and-go one-timers, I'd be a little concerned, because what if I'm just a one-timer to her? If the majority were long-lasting relationships, then I probably wouldn't care too much, just a little uneasy that she'd tell me exactly how much people she had sex with... That's just weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 12:48 AM
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I used to be a hardcore redpiller until TBP made me realize how much of a fucking idiot I was being. I took a good look at myself and learned how to reflect on my views. Thanks, /r/ppd.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 11:39 PM
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I believe you're confusing "what women notice" and "what women physically are attracted to". Physical appearance is always the first impression, but the second, third, fourth, and so on impressions can outweigh the first.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 03:59 PM
1

No such thing as an unwelcome approach from an attractive man? I'm assuming you mean physical attraction. How about attraction personality-wise or intelligence-wise? And are you assuming that men act the same way when a beautiful female walks into the room?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 03:54 PM
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Here's the thing, though: People are people. They're going to make different decisions all the time. Some may be beneficial to society, some may not. People aren't going to look at a douchebag and think "Oh, well he's obviously not doing anything for the good of the planet or society in general!" nor are people going to look at a weaker beta male and think "This guy probably has a PhD and might be attempting to find a cure cancer in his free time!" because people don't think like that. As much a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 02:24 AM
1

Is there a wage gap? Yes, but it's caused by multiple factors across the entire board. For once, the social stigma of women not being fit for certain jobs can be attributed to why women tend to not be paid as much as men overall. For example, if Sally is told that she can be anything except for, let's say, a doctor, and she ends up being a nurse, then of course she's going to be paid less than, say, Dr. John, who will obviously get paid more since he's a doctor. No one ever told John that he cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:14 PM
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Why are Red Pillers so angry if their tactics guarantee them success? Because success doesn't necessarily equal happiness. I talk about serious things like politics on the first date, and if he is purposefully keeping things light, I immediately see he is trying to use 'game' and I next him. I'm not sure if I get the use of the term "light" here. I am fine with these men existing and hooking up with other women, because I know I am simply going to reject the lot of them. They do not impact my li…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:02 PM
2

You know people are different, right? Much like you can't group men into categories, you can't do it with women, either. Some men and women may prefer to sleep around and that's their choice. Some men and women choose to find someone compatible with them, and that's their choice. There may be a lean to one side because of traditional and social stigma, but overall, no one is the same. You can't describe a group as X, even if its "most of this group is X" because that means there's still part of …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:09 PM
3

You know, not every woman is the caricature you make them out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:57 PM
4

Your descriptions of "bad boys" and "marriage material" are more stereotypical than accurate. Some women find bad boys attractive, and some find marriage material attractive. Personally, I'm not the most caring or kindest guy in the world, but I'd rather be marriage material since I'll probably spend the majority of my life married. But who says bad boys can't learn how to form long term relationships? Just because someone seems like a "bad boy" doesn't mean he isn't capable of longer term relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:43 PM
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Of course this place is going to attract some bad people, but overall, anything with "debate" in the title is good enough for me. In the age of the internet, echo chambers like /r/the_Donald and /r/MarchAgainstTrump have become the filthiest places I've ever seen, with no criticism from any opposing side allowed in (at least, without a fair platform for argument). Some echo chambers like /r/Negareddit were even made specifically as a response to other echo chambers. In other words, they're multi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:22 PM
1

Women can like large penises. Many of them do. But most of the time, men are the one to bring the issue of penis size up. My hypothesis is that this is the same situation for women. Sure, men have preferences, but women are the one to bring up vaginal aesthetics more often than men. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:13 PM
0

The real question is, why do people take "dating advice"? It's as simple as finding someone you're compatible with and connecting with them romantically, sexually, etc. Dating should have nothing to do with "testing the waters" because it really just ruins your reputation as both a man or a woman, painting you as "easy to get into". I'm not one to call women sluts, but if someone like that came to me asking for marriage, I wouldn't risk it with them because they're known to sleep around. If you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:08 PM
3

If she was trying to run away from the fight, I could understand that. But she looked like she was walking towards where fights were happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:31 AM
1

Not necessarily. Just because you look good doesn't mean you can't pick a red or blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:29 AM
1

I can't say that you're the best at arguments. I can't imagine you're the best person to put up with, either. Assuming you're a real person and a (not so) elaborate troll, I can't do much but assume people use you as nothing but a toy, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:27 AM
1

Moles or not, that's no platform for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:23 AM
2

Yeah, they're also at /r/theredpill. You might have better luck there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:21 AM
1

Even then, that wasn't the point of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:20 AM
1

I mean, I'm replying to you, am I not?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:20 AM
1

Your arguments aren't nearly as coherent as most of the comments here. In all honesty, you weren't meant for debating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:10 AM
1

If I had the same viewpoints as AntiFa, I wouldn't associate with them at all. They're just making a bad name for themselves at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:09 AM
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No, it's for arguing with both sides of the spectrum, hence 'purple'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:08 AM
2

This brings up another topic. Are people that have standards necessarily wrong for deviating out of the norm? People have the right to aim higher than what society says they can go for, much like you claim that women like you have a right to Chad. But what's wrong with those willing to aim higher than people say they should aim? Are you telling those who were dealt a worse hand to "stay in their place"? Sounds an awful lot like the caste system to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:08 AM
2

By any chance, are you a depressed white male cuckold? Because you sound like a depressed white male cuckold.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:04 AM
1

Woah, now. Ad hominem? That's just low.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:04 AM
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Once again, not the most constructive response I've seen. I'm assuming that if you forfeit your ideal of how a man should "conduct himself", we're allowed to slut shame, are we? After all, I don't need to conduct myself anymore if you aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:02 AM
3

Did somebody say redpill-bait?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:57 AM
2

But what gives you the right to say how men are supposed to conduct themselves? Don't tell me you're shaming men by telling us to conduct ourselves properly. That sounds awfully similar to "Control your vaginas! Women aren't supposed to conduct themselves like that."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:56 AM
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Well, that isn't a very constructive response. Confidence plays a key part in being active, you know. No confidence = no drive = no working out = no sex = no confidence and it all starts over again. We need to break the vicious cycle somewhere. On top of this, why do you think that being fit will immediately grant you a partner? That isn't how it works, as far as I know. It helps, sure, but it isn't a miracle cure for debilitating depression and severe lack of confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:55 AM
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Firstly, you should answer all of my questions in my post. Secondly, just because you can't get laid doesn't mean you're jealous. Not everything in life is about sex, and I'm sure many people realize this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:48 AM
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That isn't my point. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not-- it matters whether or not different "natural urges" are socially acceptable or legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:46 AM
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Even goofy looking men could get noticed if they worked out more n spent more time outdoors to increase their happiness and ruggedness. Self-help isn't that easy. It takes dedication and commitment, and some people just don't have those traits. The real question is, does that mean they don't deserve love or sex? so many men don't bother because "muh personaliti" or "I'm lazy love da cheetos" So what's your solution, then? And I've noticed women who have normal amount of sex still get slut shamed…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:44 AM
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No one would be being shamed if they made smart choices about their sex life, male or female. Why do women get slut shamed for wanting strong, young c*ck? No one (no one important or unbiased, anyways) is slut shaming people for their life choices. It's when it becomes a problem in the woman's life that people start to get concerned. If you want dick, sure, go for it, but people have to draw the line somewhere. If a woman is hot, why is she ridiculed for wanting her male counterpart- hot young c…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:41 AM
1

It sucks when a few bad apples makes the bunch look bad. It sucks even more when the few bad apples actually do make the batch bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:33 AM
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Precisely. I have no objections to seeing these people try to have a civil debate. Then again, I also have no objections to seeing these idiots fight each other. It's almost like a Colosseum match, but I can watch videos on YouTube and it's perfectly legal, at least on my side.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:19 AM
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To be fair, anyone inciting violence should be shut down immediately. I'm sure AntiFa has a few members that are willing to have a civil debate, however much of a minority they may be in a group widely considered as violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:17 AM
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I don't know how most women generally feel in terms of heartbreak. I have no frame of comparison and I can't say which is worse or better, but I'll try my best to answer from the male perspective. TL;DR at the bottom. Traditionally, females are socially expected to be emotional, and the majority of them tend to be just that without any social repercussions. It isn't necessarily a problem of guys naturally having their hearts broken deeper, but is actually more of a problem in the traditional and…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:10 AM
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Most Red Pill Men are willing to support any man who attacks a SJW Well, this is a no-brainer, really. What did you expect? SJWs are somewhat of an opposition to TRP. I just wonder Exactly what a man would have to do to get the general disapproval of TRP men? I dunno. Some dumb bullshit about being able to tolerate women, probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:57 AM
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It isn't necessarily an argument against the violence of Nazis, but more against liberals stooping to the level of the alt-right, thus creating AntiFa.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:56 AM
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Hell, they're all criminals. Everyone in that video was in a street brawl, and if I'm not mistaken, being an active participant in a street brawl no matter what side you're on = being a criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:53 AM
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I'm no big fan of AntiFa, but come on, now. Comparing them to ISIS is a bit of a stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:52 AM
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Exactly this. I'm not sure who was on who's side, but Christ, if you're going to go to a fucking brawl and people are fighting, if you don't get your ass out of there, you're a participant. In a fight, no one gives a shit who you are. They just want to see you on the ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:51 AM
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You shouldn't care who's fighting who. None of this would be an issue if those two had a civil debate instead of participating in a fucking brawl.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:49 AM
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Right? Both the alt-right and antifa are literally just liberals and conservatives tired of their boring life, so they resort to beating the shit out of each other for views that they actually don't give a shit about. People sometimes just like to start shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:48 AM
1

Not necessarily, but if you look at the entertainment industry, it isn't like every single beautiful person gets a job in a Clint Eastwood movie. Investing in intelligence just seems like a smarter move than investing in beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 08:57 AM
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Yeah, but if it's an actual productive job (i.e. construction work or being a doctor) then you won't be able to do jack shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 08:09 AM
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As beautiful as you can be, you'll get nowhere without intelligence. Unless you want to end up like the Kardashians.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 09:37 PM
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Taking information from The Red Pill is like having a constant reminder that love is literally just chemicals in your head, or nature's way of telling you to reproduce, and nothing else. My personal philosophy is: So what? Nature made this enjoyable for us, and we have to play our role. No matter how hard the truth is, you can't stop it, and there's no point in trying. I look at pessimist things with an optimistic light. If love is just chemicals in your brain, make the best goddamn chemical rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 01:10 AM
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How about we agree on this?: -In the bedroom, you can be submissive or dominant if it's sexually arousing to you and anyone else participating, no matter what gender you are. -In everyday life, it's a necessity to be self-sufficient and reliable (once again disregarding gender).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 01:06 AM
1

Odd. Last time I checked, this sub had the word debate in it...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:40 PM
2

Fair enough. Thanks for the feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:40 PM
2

I mean, it would help if you explained your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 03:43 AM
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I'd like it if you'd elaborate about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 01:56 AM
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Talking from a red-leaning straight male perspective here, and it's more related to social justice in general rather than simple political correctness. TL;DR at the end. With this entire 'political correctness' business, I'm honestly confused. Should I be a gentleman and do everything for a woman I'm infatuated with? I feel like I should treat them with respect, but then if I do that (respecting their personal space, understanding that some women don't like being hit on, etc.), would it be my ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 12:48 AM
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20/50, purple.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 10:56 PM
1

I don't get it, especially that last paragraph. I don't think Mendeleev met a single black person in his life.
/r/PussyPass29/03/17 11:33 PM
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I mean, sure, but... What does this have to do with /r/PussyPass?
/r/PussyPass19/03/17 01:31 AM
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Hell, people shouldn't care about anyone's virginities. As long as sex isn't characterized into one type (I.e. polygamy only, monogamy only, etc.) and people are evenly spread over how sex works and can be chill with it, that's great. Thing is, people are people, so that can't happen no matter how much we'd like it. As for your last point, fair enough. After all, it isn't like everyone has an obvious label on their forehead that says "virgin".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 06:18 AM
1

Let me rephrase, if this is the case. What I'm trying to say is that guys with more experience are sought after, at least sexually. Women, on the other hand, have had people give mixed opinions on their virginities when no one really should care.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 06:01 AM
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The analogy only applied to men. Like I said, society's view on both women and men's virginities are two very different things. Using the same analogy for both of them wouldn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:41 AM
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My analogy applied to men and how society views them in terms of sexual experience rather than women. For the female side of things, its more of either a "go for it and be a slut" or "if your hymen breaks I'm disowning you" sort of thing where society is split on the virginities of women. In all honesty, I wish people would just give less of a shit, but then we'd have a hypersexual revolution, and that isn't for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:35 AM
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Because women are inherently different in social terms. It may not be entirely acceptable, but there's no denying that someone would want their daughter to be a virgin moreso than their son. It may not be you, but that's the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:29 AM
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My point is that people aren't going to hire the guy with no experience-- they'd rather hire the guy that already knows what he's doing. Sure, a virgin can get laid, duh. Thing is, with so much choices in the world of who you can be with, people choose those that already have experience rather than those unfortunately dealing with societal pressure at the hands of their own inexperience. Its like the job experience dilemma. You need experience to get a job, but you need a job to get experience. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:16 AM
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Well, just because someone isn't divorcing constantly doesn't mean that they're happy. I believe these numbers are skewed by those who cling onto others because they've been in a very small number of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:08 AM
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Well, let's say you hear about these two guys. Average Joes. Normal dudes. The exact same in every way, shape, and form, except for one. You hear from one person that one of them had three sexual partners in his life, and you also hear that the other is a 20-year-old virgin. Which description of essentially the same guy is more attractive? The word 'virginity' has been put into place to shame men for not losing it and to shame women for losing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:05 AM
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Well, that depends on the type of people you're trying to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 04:44 AM
1

This isn't a woman problem, it's an entitled bitch problem.
/r/MGTOW25/02/17 07:29 PM
2

True. Not a lot of people would deny that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 12:15 AM
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I'll speak from a more RPed perspective here. First, if women are able to get relationships so easily this must mean that there are a lot of men who are also in relationships with these women, that would bring the validity of point #3 into question. Well, not necessarily. No one is obligated to stay in a relationship, and it isn't like women can't be single. More desirable men may date multiple women over the course of a few years, and when a woman isn't dating, she just stays single until the n…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 02:52 AM
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Not entirely true. You have to keep in mind that incels are some of the most desperate people out there. They'll have sex with the lowest standard of woman, and sometimes, they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 02:37 AM
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Is this behavior sexist or discriminatory(given the father is gender specific on this)? Not necessarily, I don't think. It can definitely be a little scornful towards men, since he's setting such a high standard for men for a child that is perfectly capable of having her own standards. Does this sort of "made her feel like a princess" upbringing cause females to be entitled? Is it at all harmful or negative for a female growing up? In a relationship, sure, it can be about making the girl feel li…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 02:48 AM
0

Hell, I don't know. I'm not an expert, this is all just my opinion. If you want my word, I'd just say that maybe you're just looking for the wrong people. Coming to terms that not everyone is going to like you is a big step, but it seems even bigger once you notice that you're still not being liked by who you want to be liked by. My best advice would be to find something in those that you have a chance with. If you just can't, then screw it. Do what you've been doing. It's your best option. Once…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 02:44 AM
1

Everyone deserves a little bit of reinforcement every once in a while. I believe in you, stranger <3
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 10:56 PM
2

Not everyone will agree on one solid piece of advice for a person. Sometimes, it's better to do something than nothing. Other times, it's better to do nothing than something. Advice varies from person to person, situation to situation. I'm not going to give you any advice, because I don't know anything about you. Despite that, I hope that you learn to cope with your own problems. Best of luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 10:19 PM
1

At that point, I wouldn't dishonor them with the label 'incel'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 06:00 AM
1

I have empathy for true incels. Not volcels. Volcels can go fuck themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 02:25 AM
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Trust me, I’m not going to just lie still – I’ll get involved. But don’t make me force your hand into my panties. That makes me feel like a rapist. Well what the fuck do you think it makes me feel like, honey?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 02:17 AM
1

No, because you're there to help each other get by with love and care. Yes, because you should work on your own emotions and make sure that they're fairly stable first. Just make sure you're emotionally ready for a relationship (AND THE POTENTIAL HEARTBREAK) and you should be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 02:15 AM
3

Interesting. It's good to see a more friendly, non-heated interaction between feminists and the men's rights movement. Although I'm opposed to both of them, it's better than having someone get punched at a protest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 02:13 AM
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Yes, and let me clarify that my heart goes out to legitimate incels that cannot be improved no matter what. If you're pushing to your limit, doing everything in your power to seem appealing to even the least attractive girl on the planet, then you're an incel. Then again, if you call yourself an incel and just refuse to acknowledge that people don't like you because you're a sociopath, an overly red-pilled person, or a narcissist, then maybe you should talk to someone. Get feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 02:01 AM
1

I'm not saying to get a haircut, shower, and hit the gym. I'm not giving any advice whatsoever. What I'm trying to convey is the fact that "incels" (volcels) need to improve themselves one way or the other, because it obviously can't be that the entirety of society is wrong for shutting them out (which in volcels' cases is just the refusal to improve). Most problems in your own life come from yourself. In other words, if it smells like shit, check the bottom of your shoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 01:59 AM
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I wanted to ask-- what's everyone's idea on what an actual incel is? Personally, I think that most incels are voluntary celibates (volcel), and not actual incels. Volcels just lack the drive of improvement. An actual incel should be absolutely incapable of finding even the lowest standard of a partner, whether that be with crippling social anxiety, a physical or mental disability, fear of ridicule, or extreme introversion. It's my own theory that most self-proclaimed "incels" just can't improve …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 07:54 PM
1

Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 07:47 PM
1

In all honesty, the point is that the Disney movies of the past have negatively portrayed what love is supposed to be like. It doesn't matter if it's a girl becoming too independent or too self-conscious, nor men becoming overly "alpha" or having their confidence ruined. Either way, it puts us as a society into a tailspin through over-expectation and feelings of underachievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 07:34 PM
1

Yes, I will applaud the stories that don't follow the tradition of "rich, pretty person meets another one and maybe a bad guy or two show up". It's interesting to see the newer stuff that shows more of a focus on the common person's struggle of finding the right person rather than a princess finding a prince. Shrek had to be my favorite, because it actually made out Prince Charming to be an asshole. Also, memes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 04:17 PM
3

I don't think it's a matter of lying, rather a matter of having such a large influence on society that portrays the unrealistic expectations that everyone has. On the women's side, it's shown that you're supposed to be a beautiful woman and by chance some guy that looks like a rich supermodel is going to become your husband-- but only if you're pretty. Ironically, Disney also shows women in a more independent, feminist light, as in 'Yes, I'm an independent woman, at least until a richer, handsom…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 04:01 PM
1

I won't deny that there are some things that can be safely assumed, like most girls liking guys and vice versa. It just bothers me personally when people don't account for those that behave differently from the norm. I wouldn't say I'm one of those people who are untraditional in their views on relationships, but I still believe that everyone should be entitled to their own views.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 02:44 AM
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The generalization of women in the vein of choosing partners should negate an argument's validity, IMO. It's not just generalizing women, either. Generalizing anyone, man, woman, black, white, gay, straight, etc. in the context of relationships and how they're chosen and interacted with is just wrong. In relationships, people choose based on how their character and virtues are. If a girl wants to do nothing but have hot sex with 24" megacock and suck Chad dick 24/7, then yeah, sure, it's probabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 12:59 AM
2

When people are emotionally recovering from being known as a 'friend' rather than a love interest to someone, they use the term 'friend zone' to signify that they've not necessarily failed in their pursuit of a significant other, but rather have been let down immensely, almost as if they got the shorter end of the stick. Some people use this as an excuse to never improve themselves, i.e. "Oh, I'll always be stuck in the friendzone. Boo hoo." Some people are genuinely stuck in the friendzone, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 12:33 AM
5

RP: Looks, sex appeal by a landslide 32.00% oh
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 01:32 AM
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Well no shit, Sherlock. This is the internet. I could jerk my meatshroom to duck x mongoloid hentai and then order twenty kittens ten minutes later. I could tweet at Michelle Obama and then read a few excerpts of Fifty Shades to my mother over Skype. What did you really expect from the internet? For it to be a decent place? Hoho, that's a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 09:48 PM
2

The people change the culture, not the president.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 04:37 AM
2

I agree. Let it be known that I'm only talking about the subreddits here. If I meant the movement as a whole, it would be like having BuzzFeed and NowThis represent feminism-- which they don't and absolutely should not ever. Fuck that. I subbed to /r/MGTOW to debate about the 'War on Men' and to learn about how men were becoming more independent socially. What I DIDN'T join for were things like this and this, both terrible examples of the subreddit, but are some of the highest upvoted pieces the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 02:49 AM
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Ex-Redpill here. TL;DR: The Red Pill and MGTOW subs have become a joke. The main reason that I've become a 'neutral' person is because of the absolute shitstorm that TRP and the MGTOW movement had turned into. It hasn't become a 'male independence' movement. It's turned into a 'let's whine about women while still claiming we're over it' movement. Knowing that TBP is a satirization and a mirror opposite of the joke that TRP has become, I've honestly seen that BPers simply put up more cohesive, eg…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 02:37 AM
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