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Stop trying to make fetch happen
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:59 PM
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Why would I continue to date a guy who I didn’t think was special?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:53 PM
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Oh that I accept without hesitation lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 09:57 PM
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I don’t trust conservative women to know what an orgasm is tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 09:44 PM
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Perhaps their sexual satisfaction remained unchanged?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 08:15 PM
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Wait, you just made it up? That’s not how stats work. Lol wow never mind
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 10:18 PM
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Where are you getting that statistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 10:08 PM
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Who’s assaulting people then????
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 09:49 PM
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Sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 05:24 PM
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No, you don’t. Just because women on average tend to have lower sex drives than men, does not mean that individual women necessarily have low sex drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 05:24 PM
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Women have just as wide a range of libido as men do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:33 PM
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What damage do women’s lies cause that’s worse than taking someone’s humanity? Sexual assault often causes ptsd, vaginismus, depression, and other lifelong chronic conditions that ruin entire lives. How’s that better than losing your house in a divorce because you didn’t think to sign a prenup?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 12:49 AM
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Who is assaulting women, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 09:47 PM
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Well yeah it got mainstream then. So is everything fixed now that lauer is gone? Sexual assault isn’t a problem anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 09:44 PM
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Wrong, Tarana Burke in 2006
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 09:02 PM
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Oh I didn’t realize me too was about Matt lauer! Awesome then we solved patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 08:57 PM
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Your use of the phrase witch hunt here is darkly hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:01 PM
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Curiosity
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:15 AM
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How do you feel about women going topless in places men can go topless?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:08 AM
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The me too movement started in what, 2012? We get 9 years of arguing to be listened to and now it’s time to forget about everything? Did we fix it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:04 AM
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No it’s just weed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:09 AM
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My friend is 35 oh no
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:04 AM
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How many years of eating a bowlful a night did it take before you lost your ice cream appetite? Asking for a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:31 AM
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It does. It’s in the study as well as the direct link to the infograph I also linked. This has been fun but there’s nothing to discuss here if you can’t comprehend the data and refuse to provide an alternative explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 04:32 AM
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It quite literally comes to the opposite conclusion that you’ve been spouting
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 03:49 AM
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It shows that Americans believe society places more value on masculinity than it does on femininity. That’s what it says, that’s the conclusion. If you disagree with that, you’ll need to take it up with Pew research.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 01:40 AM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/12/05/americans-see-society-placing-more-of-a-premium-on-masculinity-than-on-femininity/pst_12-05-17-gender-03-00/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 10:45 PM
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I mean https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/12/05/americans-see-society-placing-more-of-a-premium-on-masculinity-than-on-femininity/pst_12-05-17-gender-03-00/ This is directly from your own source
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 10:44 PM
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A link to the actual article about that study will show you that you are grossly misinterpreting the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 10:35 PM
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No, you quoted me saying masculine qualities are positives in any person, then deflected by saying, “AND YET toxic masculinity exists…” That’s not an answer. Which masculine qualities in particular are considered negatives for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 10:11 PM
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Dude just tell me which statement you disagree with and why. Stop deflecting. Edit aka what masculine qualities are seen as negative?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 10:01 PM
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Rape used to be defined as something a man did with his penis. It was legally and literally inconceivable that a woman could commit rape, because without a penis performing the act, rape did not exist. Why? Do you believe women were going around assaulting men in the 17th century? In the 20th? Ever? Your second argument is a straw man and is unproductive. It is a fact that women are encouraged to be feminine and men are encouraged to be masculine; that these requirements for women have loosened …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 09:31 PM
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It’s not really something we can prove, is it? It’s an extremely common theory that preagricultural societies did not conform to our modern gender roles and were instead egalitarian. See here, here here, and pretty much anywhere else you look.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 09:20 PM
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Here: I agree with your first statement. We disagree about the cause. A few decades ago, it was inconceivable that a woman could assault a man, because women were viewed as the weaker sex. Many (most) people still believe that. Men, stereotypically, should be strong; being a victim is weak, like a woman. All of this boils down to men and women both not being allowed to be fully human: men are prevented from anything perceived as effeminate, and women aren’t viewed as capable of something as “mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 08:38 PM
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Yes, the agricultural revolution
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 08:33 PM
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Let’s back up then. We both see a problem. I provided an explanation for the problem. You disagreed, yet have refused to give an alternative explanation. Although I have explained the history of it elsewhere in this thread, you have yet to provide any semblance of an alternative. I’m not going to argue over something until I know that you actually have a position on the topic. What has caused the problems men face today, and when did those problems begin?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 12:53 PM
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I asked you to explain to me the history of misandry. When did the problems facing men today begin? What do you believe is the cause?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 10:55 PM
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That was a long paragraph of you arguing against what you imagine I believe. You are not listening and not here in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 10:48 PM
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It’s really annoying how you keep telling me what feminists believe, as if they’re a monolith. Also extremely unnecessary and unproductive. Misandry of course exists. How do you think it began?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 07:54 PM
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Would you prefer if I used the term “forced gender roles?” Edit and if it’s not misogyny then what the fuck is it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 07:25 PM
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Women are just as complicit in misogyny as men are. Saying that misogyny is at the root of the problems we see in society today in no way takes the conversation off of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 06:51 PM
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What you just said is simply untrue. Illogical. The cause of a problem doesn’t equal the results of the problem. If men weren’t expected to be strong, provide, protect, stoic, courageous, righteous, firm, logical, etc, they would be able to fully experience the human condition instead of forcing themselves to suppress emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 06:43 PM
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Well you obviously have no other answer or you wouldn’t have responded rhetorically
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 06:40 PM
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I didn’t make it about women at all. Misogyny also negatively affects men. It’s not a difficult concept. Getting rid of it will literally solve all of the problems you see facing men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 06:33 PM
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I agree fully with that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 06:31 PM
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And where does that stereotype come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 05:42 PM
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Haha if you can’t even state your own position, why are you speaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 05:05 PM
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“It should be obvious that my mistake was a mistake and therefore I have no responsibility” nice
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 03:27 PM
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Hahaha so because it’s silly to lump bi and gay men together, it’s okay for you to do it? Look, obviously you just added the bi part for inclusion but when the majority of people believe that bi men are all actually gay, you should know better than to make that mistake. And when you do make a silly mistake like that, the proper response isn’t to double down and prove that you’re allowed to say it because you’re LGBT and fucking a bi man. You just say, “oh, oops, my bad,” and fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 03:17 PM
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Cool then stop lumping bi men in with gay men. You should know better than to contribute to the erasure that bi men specifically experience more than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 03:04 PM
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You said this: “Honestly one of the best things about pride parades is how many gay/bi guys there are dancing around in hot pants. Fuck yeah, I know you're not attracted to me but lemme see that cake” This was poorly worded on your part and clearly says you assume bi men aren’t attracted to women in the same way straight men are. You’re lumping bi men in with gay men. If you didn’t view bi men as gay, you wouldn’t have said they weren’t attracted to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 02:47 PM
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I’d like to hear the alternative history of how we got here, then Edit anyone want to even try or?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 02:19 PM
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Not in the context of sexy men who aren’t attracted to women, which is what your comment was about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 02:18 PM
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I agree with your first statement. We disagree about the cause. A few decades ago, it was inconceivable that a woman could assault a man, because women were viewed as the weaker sex. Many (most) people still believe that. Men, stereotypically, should be strong; being a victim is weak, like a woman. All of this boils down to men and women both not being allowed to be fully human: men are prevented from anything perceived as effeminate, and women aren’t viewed as capable of something as “masculine…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 01:55 PM
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Why don’t men report assault? Because they would be perceived as weak. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 01:36 PM
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Then why mention bi men at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 01:35 PM
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Men, just like all humans, fully own their own bodies and are absolutely allowed to reject advances and be disgusted by assault. Men don’t report it because our society views victims as weak, and weakness as feminine. It’s misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 01:27 PM
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How can you tell?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 01:21 PM
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Bi guys are bi and generally attracted to women as well
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 12:39 PM
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All of the pill stuff is bullshit, is what it means. Humans don’t search for mates by algorithm. It doesn’t make sense, and trying to find logic in it is futile and causes confusion like what you’re feeling now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 02:53 PM
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How’s it working out for you this far huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 11:20 PM
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Yeah, all of that pill stuff is bullshit generalization
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 10:17 PM
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Haha okay! Anyway my point was that would be awful and I hope nobody would say that to you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 10:08 PM
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By whom? Certainly not feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 10:04 PM
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Maybe one or two out of about 20 They cared about my orgasm and I got to have one Don’t remember one (one night stand) and the other was pretty but kinda stupid and so we only hooked up two or three times. The person I married turned out to be agender, but they obviously take the cake. The only other man I’ve slept with since then was awkward and disappointing, too shy and insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 10:03 PM
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Also, because being on a diet isn’t correlated with being at a healthy weight, so the two figures aren’t really comparable
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:46 PM
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Because fat is stored on female bodies differently and women are designed to carry more of it and make losing it harder. It’s literally for making babies. How on earth do you not know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:43 PM
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Do you really need me to find you a source that tells you that? What do we consider manly food? Steak, burgers, beer, whiskey. Is it stereotypical for men to order salads and watch their weight? Do you honestly believe that men and women diet (aka try to lose weight) at a similar rate?? I can find articles for you, I just want to be clear that you’re completely missing this part of common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:38 PM
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You didn’t answer my questions. Do you believe that men have more self control than women, and that’s why they don’t diet or get plastic surgery as frequently?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:23 PM
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Does anything support that position? How is the diet industry so huge if most women can be hot in six months easy? Why does plastic surgery exist? Are men or women more likely to diet and/or have plastic surgery? Come on, use some critical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:14 PM
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Glad you read it, this isn’t really interesting me anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 02:25 AM
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Yeah dude I was only disproving his theory that virginal women “pair bond better” than ones who have had premarital sex and therefore don’t want divorces.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 12:36 AM
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Oh, okay. You’re saying, “Only have sex if what you want is sex, because sex isn’t a tool that will get you something else.” Sorry I misunderstood!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 04:19 PM
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Why not cut out the middle man and just tell women to not have sex unless they want to
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 04:14 PM
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Every person should wait to have sex until they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 04:12 PM
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That’s why learning to know and love yourself first is so important: it teaches you how to spot liars and manipulators.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:58 PM
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Yup. Withholding sex as a form of manipulation is fucked up, but having sex when you don’t want to is also fucked. How about people just communicate directly and honestly? It would solve literally every problem on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:30 PM
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That’s pretty much exactly what I mean. “Yeah I just dismiss the things I disagree with because I don’t understand how it works”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:45 PM
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But to answer your question, as a layperson I’d wager they use a combination of archaeology, church records, ancestry, DNA, personal accounts, preserved culture, and whatever other information they can find. Other countries’ mentions of them, etc. It seems you haven’t thought this through very critically. Self reporting surveys and studies that depend on self reporting don’t lead to peer reviewed articles that ignore the faults of self reporting in their results. For example, it’s a big issue in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:18 PM
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Lol that’s not what you said. You said you don’t base anything you know on studies or self reporting surveys. You are ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 12:40 PM
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No but we sure learn a thing here and there from studies, don’t we
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 12:32 PM
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Yeah lol what is science amirite
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 04:18 AM
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Oh, wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:59 AM
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Uhhh yeah, what do you call it when men divide women into madonnas and whores? Dehumanizing. And none of that is irony
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:35 AM
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What part is ironic?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:31 AM
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Yeah dude, y’all call them “scrotes” and separate them by arbitrary class, which is absolutely dehumanizing. Whatever makes you feel better, but most of us grow out of that phase by our 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:12 AM
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Marriageable women weren’t fucking on the first date, you mean. Men have been sluts since forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 11:26 PM
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If you’re looking for introverts, and you’re young, then it makes sense to look for women who haven’t had many (or any) partners. And marrying a person with similar values and ideology is also likely to increase the marriage’s chances of success. It’s not that I think you’re wrong in your line of thinking, necessarily, it’s that divorce is caused by so many factors that it’s simply not a good metric. Saying you want it to work out so you tried to find a good partner for you specifically, is diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 10:05 PM
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You said this: “I subjectively prefer [chaste women] because in general terms we share more character traits” What character traits are those?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 09:37 PM
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Wait, does sexual activity imply something or nothing? You can’t have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 09:17 PM
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You keep looking at the divorce rate, when I’m saying that’s not going to give us a clear picture of what’s going on. Fifty years ago a woman who was abused stayed married. Now she’s not as pressured to. That plus the pill is the only reason we’ve seen the stats change. When you don’t allow women to divorce their husbands, either through law or societal pressure, they don’t fucking get divorced. And in a society that stigmatizes abortion, divorce, and premarital sex, women are going to have less…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 09:14 PM
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Obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 09:05 PM
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Well, yes. Chaste implies belief in purity, which strongly implies an adherence to traditional gender roles and expectations, which for women are to be submissive, obedient, and selfless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 09:04 PM
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Of course you prefer them. Weak men have always preferred submissive, obedient, selfless women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:42 PM
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It literally doesn’t. That’s the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:41 PM
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Yeah lol that’s pretty out there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:41 PM
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Oh, you don’t think chaste women are objectively better people than slutty women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:19 PM
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Oh, yeah, that’s similar to the power of prayer I think
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:10 PM
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I know that you conflate sexual behavior with morality, and that’s enough. But what works for me isn’t going to work for you! Live and let live I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:09 PM
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Amazing that someone values ideology over irrelevant past behavior? Yes, shocking. I’d much rather marry a slut than a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:08 PM
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Lol yeah it’s nonsense. My spouse is pretty fucking gay and definite doesn’t have a low libido
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:06 PM
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Oh, no, I see plenty of red flags here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 06:36 PM
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Curses? Where do they talk about curses? That sub is tongue in cheek.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 06:34 PM
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Lol ok dude, evolution has also not been proven, but sure. Go get yourself a virgin bride to lord over if you’re afraid a woman with experience will see through your bullshit. Many blessings, that sounds like a super healthy way to go that’s definitely backed up by science
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 06:33 PM
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability This has some info about that. What I’m saying is that a virgin woman will stay with a shitty man because she has no one to compare him to. That’s how the world used to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 06:29 PM
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Curious what you saw that you found mentally ill
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 06:11 PM
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A misandrist support group for scorned women is the best description of FDS
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 06:10 PM
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That paper proves that virgin brides get abused more. That’s what you asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 06:00 PM
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Are we on a deadline here? Why must we use incomplete and inefficient methods? Perhaps it’s because correlation does not equal causation. Every red haired person in the world consumes water. Therefore, consuming water is related to having red hair. That is your logic here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:58 PM
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The pill. That’s literally it. Before that, women who had sex and got pregnant got married. Now they can have sex without as high a risk of pregnancy. Problem solved, women now get to have sex. It’s almost as if women who are only exposed to one penis don’t know what they’re missing, and that penis has no reason to try to please her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:55 PM
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Because that’s still looking at it as a causal relationship. Girls who are abused or neglected often grow into depressed women who exhibit risky and self destructive behavior, often promiscuity. See? Nothing to do with having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:51 PM
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Okay
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:49 PM
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CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:45 PM
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Also, again! Correlation does not equal causation, and a “stable” marriage does not mean the woman isn’t getting beaten and raped each night.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:45 PM
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Where did I say that? The US is extremely puritanical in its views regarding sex and that is why we have the problems we do. The problems were always there; what we’re seeing now is the correction. Women are not property, they are humans, and that means they get to make bad choices if they want to. You don’t get to control half of humanity just because you don’t like that they are sexual beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:39 PM
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What else could have possibly been introduced in the 60s and 70s that affected that change aside from women turning away from Jesus?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:37 PM
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Do you think women raised in cultures like the quiverfull movement practically have divorce as an option? Women who go to church weekly are less likely to get divorced, too. Sure, they’re more likely to be virgins at marriage, but none of that means those marriages are healthy or safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:34 PM
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Okay, fair. Here’s an article that talks about first date sex. Curious to know if there are any studies that can look at habits in the 20th century and truly decipher when sex first took place between couples and how consensual it generally was in our understanding today.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:09 PM
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https://pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/277811/1-s2.0-S1877042814X0008X/1-s2.0-S1877042813053457/main.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEPH%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJGMEQCIAeS46o7hmoRpxbnmiK6NA77DoL5LlRyG3tLVij%2FtRr6AiAHr04leJNdo04XXqhSmy1Px1Km54lixNxTpOj04ryA0iqDBAiq%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F8BEAQaDDA1OTAwMzU0Njg2NSIM%2FdqRaN8PUCPz%2BqkyKtcDyvtYU3gQGk74KLeSTNruk2dRo2xZEJLc7HDkRTrbf%2BSwES2m1YJ9R87eWRfqRXgsC%2BzbCP4giJ%2BjLVqPMVFc3vGAxLrTEvz4bsMAMVrxs8vVhevHeMZxj0qrz…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 04:52 PM
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability A great place to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 04:47 PM
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Does this study differentiate or are you just assuming none of those people banged on the first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 04:36 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:50 PM
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Statistically likely to not divorce is a correlation, not causation. Women in sexually oppressive societies (like religious ones) generally do not have the option of divorce, even if it’s technically legal for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:42 PM
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You are incorrect to assume people in the 50s were not having premarital sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:11 PM
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Can’t argue with that. I’m white, so applying the same logic, I suppose I would be “better off” if white people could still own black people as slaves. No offense, of course, it’s just that I personally benefit if black people are forced to do my bidding; it makes life easier for me, and that’s all that matters. This is certainly a position! I don’t think it’s a good one, but I guess I can’t argue that the sex life of the average man wouldn’t be easier if women had no independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:52 PM
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Could you link a credible source that supports your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:39 PM
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Aw, are you afraid to engage now that you know I’m a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 02:33 AM
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But anyway, I asked because those are both two pretty recognizable references with each having a unique relationship with sex. I wanted to know your definition of what “focusing on sex” means for a society. Can you answer that? Here are some places for you to start if you’re interested in learning. There is actually an entire field of research devoted to human sexuality, if you can believe it, and there are more studies than you could possibly read!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:53 AM
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What made you think I was male?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:40 AM
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Do you think the Old Testament focuses on sex? Do you think Puritans focused on sex? Can you provide sources that show a causal relationship between sex positive societies and an unhealthy relationship towards sex within those societies?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:59 AM
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You wouldn’t advocate against condoms, pulling out, or men having premarital sex and illegitimate children? Edit: it just seems like you’re asking men to not lie and women to not have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:25 AM
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That’s all speculation and in no way fact. The closest primate relatives we have are incredibly promiscuous. Do you have any legit sources that support your theories here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 10:12 PM
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Made money and spent it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 10:00 PM
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What kind of societal limitations do you like on men’s sexualities?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 09:21 PM
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Idk? I married a broke guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 09:18 PM
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YES thank you that’s what I’m trying to get at!! It’s all made up!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 09:10 PM
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What kind of societal limitations do you like on women’s sexualities?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 09:09 PM
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Sources
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 09:09 PM
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*Some women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 09:09 PM
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Yes, that’s what I mean. It’s an artificial role that girls are encouraged to follow by boys who expect it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 08:17 PM
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Yup, but not applied to women as a whole
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 08:00 PM
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Sure, but it’s societal. We’re not born predisposed to conform to these social norms, and they’re obviously not helpful for most of us, so why are we still maintaining them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 07:55 PM
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We all grew up with enforced gender roles, which is what you’re referring to with “boys will be boys.” I was taught in school that my virginity was like a golden locket, and if I didn’t protect it it would tarnish and leave me with nothing to give my future husband. Boys and girls both took this class. Abstinence only, for the most part. Boys wanted the sex and girls were supposed to refuse it. The first time I was introduced to the idea that most women are gold diggers was a few months ago on R…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 07:35 PM
2

How is “true female nature” shorthand for “human nature?”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 06:53 PM
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There is no “true female nature.” What we’re seeing is girls and women allowed to be completely human. Some of that is shitty behavior, just like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 06:33 PM
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We weren’t exposed to as much propaganda about the opposite sex. Like, you had different groups of people obviously (preppy cool kids, stoners, band kids) and obviously boys and girls were into different things and also each other. But there was no “boys are X because of Y and girls are A because of C, and this is how to hack the system” bullshit I see now. The pill stuff. It’s ridiculous. But people keep buying into it and making it a reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 06:04 PM
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What happened over the hundreds of years when women had to control over their sexualities or bodies? Are we still here? Cool. This is different because it’s men choosing to make their own choices. Intimacy is not a right; nobody is “owed” sex. If men can’t find it, then they should find something else to do with their time. Why should I worry about what men are doing in their free time?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:15 PM
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As the spokeswoman for all women, I can affirm that all well adjusted and healthy women agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 01:44 AM
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That’s good, that’s a healthy reaction to someone who is sending social cues that they’re not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 01:40 AM
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It’s not me who says so, it’s shame researchers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 07:45 PM
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They are similar but different. Shame is internalized, embarrassment is fleeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 07:09 PM
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Shame is distinct from embarrassment or criticism or insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 12:00 AM
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What’s the definition of “hysterical”?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 10:20 PM
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That’s not shaming. It’s rude, but it’s not shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 09:47 PM
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Shaming women has only been taboo for a few decades. It was, and still is, deeply the norm in our society. I fail to understand how anyone with a basic knowledge of history could possibly think otherwise. Men have never been shamed for their interest in or desire for sex. Men are shamed for having emotions, being perceived to be weak, etc, but women have always been shamed for those things, too. Institutionalized, even. There is no comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 10:45 PM
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Wow LOL okay good luck with that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:29 PM
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What’s the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:38 PM
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Got married before they knew themselves and unfortunately they way they both grew was incompatible together. Wanting to do life correctly by following the proper steps in order. Unsure of what else to do because getting married is the norm (for you) after college.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:26 PM
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I mean a friendship, a mutual love, mutual respect and admiration, mutual support, etc. A partner, an equal to walk through life with you. That feeling when you meet somebody and are drawn to them, not only sexually but intellectually, emotionally, ideologically, spiritually. We connect with many people all of the time, in different ways. A man who wants “an attractive woman that’s cooperative and provides exclusive sex” does not view women as human beings. First you’ve used “that” instead of “w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 07:23 PM
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That is a very negative view of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 06:54 PM
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Okay, so I would be pleased if every misogynist man chose celibacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 05:51 PM
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Sure, if it’s working for you then don’t change a thing!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 05:36 PM
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My simple point is that when you enter into a relationship with another person, both of you should want to be in that relationship. Looking at relationships as some form of transaction is immoral behavior. A relationship is nothing more than people choosing each other over other people. Idealistic, sure, but why would I settle for less?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 05:27 PM
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What’s there to argue with? You just essentially said you choose to be a bad person in order to avoid getting hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 05:03 PM
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So you’re going to eat all those dogs before they eat you, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:57 PM
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The core philosophy for dating isn’t to find someone you connect with?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:11 PM
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None of this is based in reality. I’m honestly baffled and do not understand what you mean. Why would attracting other women be a requirement for maintaining a healthy relationship with one woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 03:49 PM
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Nothing? I truly don’t know what you’re alluding to. Nothing would happen if all of the incels stopped trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 12:56 PM
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I care a great deal about the well being of men, and wish no world be without them. That said, if the ones who blame women for their own problems want to voluntarily remove themselves from the general dating public, I’d be fine with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 05:15 AM
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I agree completely, was hoping someone would put two and two together. Like, of course you guys think women are awful; the only ones who don’t see right through you are probably playing their own fucked up mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:41 AM
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LOL no you picked up on the wrong kind of sarcasm. I was saying it like, you know, A Man would: “Scoff As if a life without ME could possibly be rewarding!” And don’t assume all the women here are FDS members. Gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:39 AM
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How is that a good strategy? Do you want to be in a relationship with women the concept or an actual human woman, who can’t be cracked by a code?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:12 AM
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How’s that working out?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:10 AM
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I literally don’t know what you’re talking about. Are you referring to my rhetorical use of capitalization? That was intentional. Have...have you been to high school English yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:25 AM
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That’s not what Freudian slip means, and I don’t know what you’re trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:15 AM
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As if a life without A Man could possibly be rewarding!!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 11:51 PM
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Are you making a joke about women liking cats?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 11:15 PM
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Great! We’re very close to creating synthetic sperm, so I don’t see a problem here!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 11:11 PM
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Nah, you asked a question without a clear answer. That’s the definition of disingenuous. There is no way to answer “what do women bring to the table besides sex,” because the question itself is based on bullshit. What did you want to hear? Your question was literally, “what are humans good for, anyway?”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 10:55 PM
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Yeah, dude, why do you expect someone else to answer a fundamental question you can’t begin to answer? That’s the subject of an entire realm of study.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 10:35 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 10:15 PM
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The question you’re asking is: outside of sex, why do humans seek companionship? Can you answer that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 09:19 PM
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What problems bro
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:10 PM
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What problems specifically would that create? Humans no longer reproducing is not a possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 07:32 PM
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Why? Why do you do that? Couldn’t you solve this whole “problem” then by just not trying to fuck every woman you see?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 07:29 PM
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Oh, agreed. There’s an enormous difference between genuine attraction and appreciating conventional beauty, and between attractiveness/charisma and the image of your face/body.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 03:44 PM
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I laughed at that, too, because I (a lady) always knew women were objectively much more attractive than men. Then I realized I’m a big ol gay!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 02:18 PM
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I’m more in shape now than I was when I got married, and I’m even more feminist, so I’m not sure your claim is universally true there bud
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 12:06 AM
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How many straight men are chill with the woman they’re dating not shaving her legs or pits?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 12:03 AM
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Irrelevant when we’re talking healthcare
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 03:56 PM
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So women have no options other than to marry before 25?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 03:56 PM
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What about women who just don’t find partners before age 25?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 03:05 PM
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Still too much
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 03:03 PM
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They’re on here complaining that women won’t fuck them because they’re ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 11:18 PM
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Okay, but they are people you know, but also aren’t friends with? Edit: oh okay so it’s just a way to manipulate the person paying? Why would someone go on a date with a person they’re not interested in, if not for the free meal or the sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 04:41 AM
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You seem to be calling that a “foodie call,” when that really connotes more of a first date or sugar daddy sort of relationship. Could you maybe define what you mean by foodie call?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 04:25 AM
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Oh, gross, that’s a terrible way to view friendship. If I go for dinner with a friend, I call it “dinner with a friend” and it’s certainly not because I couldn’t get a romantic date that night.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 04:20 AM
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Trusting someone untrustworthy can lead a person to trust fewer people, details at ten
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 04:16 AM
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Women don’t always have that option, to not potentially be at the mercy of someone else. Do you think bad things can happen to good people who do everything right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 04:10 AM
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You can meet your spouse and get married a long time before having kids. Having an established career with decent leave and the ability to pay for child care also makes having a child easier. There are positives and negatives to all choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 03:42 AM
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I’m 35, met my spouse at 25 and spent a few years being irresponsible before getting married. Had our kid at 31 and have been living that settled life. Most of my (highly educated career women) friends who want children are only now just trying to conceive. You have tons of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 11:17 PM
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Exactly, bad sex is like taking a long bumpy bike ride naked on an old rough towel. It’s definitely not a “even bad pizza is still pizza” thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 07:22 PM
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There’s definitely a trend that way, for sure. I’m an older millennial (35) of parents born in the 50s and so are most of my friends. Most of our parents didn’t think twice about following gender norms (even as our moms were working full time and doing all the housework and childcare and home management), so most of what we’ve learned has been us educating ourselves. I’m also from a rural Midwestern area. Definitely it’s more of a spectrum thing than a blanket stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 03:29 PM
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Another layer here is that because of the gendered way we raise our children, a lot of men just aren’t taught how to clean and maintain a home the way women are. In my experience, it’s not even that they don’t want to, it’s that they haven’t developed the skills to 1) see what needs cleaning and 2) how to properly clean it. That means that even when husbands are fully committed to doing half or all of the housework, a lot of the time the wife ends up having to teach him how. And sometimes it’s e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 02:22 PM
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I’m a woman and that sounds extremely unappealing unless his sexiness is just a bonus (in which case he wouldn’t be a trophy spouse, ugh what an awful term)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 02:12 PM
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There’s nothing wrong with that statement! It’s just not what you initially said. Thanks for clarifying that privileges exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 12:41 AM
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Leaving out the fact he was talking about average looking men and very attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 12:25 AM
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This is not true of any woman I am close to
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 12:23 AM
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Yes. Because attractive people have privilege. It’s not unique to men or to dating; it impacts every interaction we have. Which is a big reason many feminists reject conventional definitions of beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 12:14 AM
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It’s because that wasn’t your claim. It’s not that average looking men get rejected by women more often, it’s that they get rejected by hot women more often. Approach women at your level and then there’s no argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 11:56 PM
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Yes, and an attractive woman will be approached significantly more often than an average woman will.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 11:45 PM
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There is no confusion. You’re just not picking up on what I’m saying: the most important factor in whether or not a woman responds well to being approached is whether or not she wants to be approached. If you’re going to approach people, you need to be aware that they just might not want to talk to you and that it might not have anything to do with you. But if you’re an average looking guy who frequently approaches very attractive women, you’re just self selecting all of the women who would more…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 11:37 PM
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I disagreed with you claiming that the looks of the man is “the most important” factor in whether or not an attractive woman responds positively to his approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 11:21 PM
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You went several comments without mentioning that, which means that when you say “girls,” you mean “extremely attractive women.” That means that when you think of women, as a noun, you think of a sexy woman you’d like to fuck. That’s misogyny, bro. Women are not sex objects, and certainly neither are girls. So your main thesis here is just that attractive people have an easier time in life? AKA they have privileges that ugly people don’t have?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 11:13 PM
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Oh, now the woman in question is hot? The answer here is to approach women with similar levels of attractiveness as yourself. That’s how dating other humans works.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 11:06 PM
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Sure, just like attractive women do. Attractive people have a lot of privilege. It’s good to be attractive. That does not make the man’s looks the “most important” factor in whether or not the woman he approaches will say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 10:57 PM
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Honestly I just don’t think how conventionally attractive a guy is is more important that the woman’s mindset. It’s important, sure, but whether or not a woman wants to be approached obviously has more impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 10:51 PM
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No, the biggest factor in how a woman reacts to being approached is what she’s doing and how she’s feeling in that moment. One day I might be strolling around the city on a leisurely walk and might react positively to being approached, but the next day I might be walking to work and thinking about how annoying my boss is and in that case I’d probably react negatively. Women are people and you cannot hack them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 10:29 PM
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I didn’t call you an incel, you called yourself one. I’m pointing out your demand to view a woman’s physical form. Purity culture is as real as ever, and I guarantee you can find it in your own school’s dress code. Sex work is criminalized and/or stigmatized in all of the world. That hasn’t just happened to one woman. The fact that reproductive care for women is even a debate shows how little we value women’s autonomy. I’d like sources on doctors rate of vasectomy refusal based on age and parent…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 06:42 PM
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Are you trying to argue that sex doesn’t sell? That female sexuality isn’t exploited for profit? Ever heard of a man calling a woman a slut for having had a lot of partners? Girls are sent home from schools for showing their shoulders and told to wear less revealing clothing. Purity culture exists. Women were lobotomized 75 years ago for being promiscuous. Prostitutes today are at the highest risk of murder and assault; that sex work is illegal in the first place is fucked up and shames women. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 06:06 PM
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There isn’t a place that doesn’t teach women that on some level. A hundred years ago women who liked sex were institutionalized for hysteria. Men who have power dismiss the opinions of ugly or fat women, like Trump on Rosie O’Donnell or any meme about SJWs. Makeup, skincare, and diet industries make billions each year by exploiting this. Are you new here? Like, on planet earth? Are you old enough to be on Reddit? Have you ever encountered a woman in real life before? Also your flair proves my po…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 05:15 PM
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What kind of a question is that? What made your mind go to those places specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 03:45 PM
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Wow
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 11:54 AM
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Because women are conditioned to not prioritize their own needs, and instead taught their value lies in being the source of male desire. That’s enough for awhile, but gets old quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 04:17 AM
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How about we stop generalizing by gender and just start not dating people who subscribe to such ridiculous social constructs as proscribed gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 03:52 AM
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I think it has a lot to do with the male gaze, and women getting off simply on being desired, being wanted, instead of understanding their own desires. In fact, a lot of closeted queer women can feel turned on in a way by sex with a man, just because it’s a rush to be desired, as if you’re “winning” at traditional womanhood, and that’s easily confused with sexual attraction, especially when you’ve never considered sex could be anything else. Also, the US is still very puritanical, and women trad…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 12:22 AM
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Notably, the study doesn’t say why the women claim to lose interest in sex. Could it be that the men they’re having sex with don’t consider their pleasure?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 10:25 PM
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So you’re saying that this problem would solve itself if people stopped trying to be Real Men and Real Women and just treated other people and themselves as unique individuals? That’s a feminist position. I didn’t peg you as a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:40 PM
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Those two links show the behavior of men, not women. Did you mean to link something different? Edit are you saying that men’s behavior is the primary reason men aren’t finding fulfilling relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:24 PM
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LOL, no, rules don’t just exist because you say they do. Men and women have trouble because they’re trying to fit themselves into archaic stereotypes that have already partially been destroyed. Once you stop pretending “men are thirsty creeps” and “women are bitchy gold diggers,” you’re able to find fulfilling relationships. Because people are individuals, not little gender stereotype machines.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 08:42 PM
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But as you said, women think they’re better than men. You don’t get to generalize like that and then claim you found the exception. Women are not all alike, men are not all alike, and plenty of people fit into neither gender category in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 08:32 PM
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That’s your perception of women. If the women in your life are arrogant, haughty, and condescending, then of course you’d view women that way. Does your wife think she’s better than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 08:17 PM
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This is all rooted in misogyny and literally is what feminism aims to stop
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 03:21 PM
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And here’s another study. “Specifically, given that partner physical attractiveness plays a stronger role in men’s long-term relationship satisfaction than women’s long-term relationship satisfaction, and given that women’s own physical attractiveness plays a role in the trajectories of their long-term relationship satisfaction, women may experience increased pressures to maintain their physical attractiveness in order to successfully maintain a long-term relationship.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 02:56 PM
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No, you’ve concluded that yourself. That study showed that young women in committed relationships have stronger orgasms when they find their male partner strong, funny, and confident. This has nothing to do with these men not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 02:35 PM
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You got sources on that? Because it sounds completely anecdotal and/or made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 02:03 PM
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Attractiveness has to do with behavior as well as physical looks. How you stand, how you make eye contact, how you smell, your mannerisms. It’s also pretty subjective. Saying that ugly people don’t regularly form romantic or sexual relationships is ridiculous. I mean, look around you. Edit also I just said women are super free to ask people out and they do
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 01:55 PM
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LOL, she absolutely can. That doesn’t change anything. Edit in fact it’s exactly the same situation regardless of gender
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 01:27 PM
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That doesn’t make any sense. Outside of the workplace, what scenario can you imagine where you’d be seeing a woman on a regular basis, never express interest, and then get mad that she isn’t dating you? If you tell her and ask her out, she can say yes or no. It has nothing to do with being a creep; that’s a set of behaviors that comes out in any situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 01:17 PM
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I don’t know what that means
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 12:20 PM
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On what planet? You need to know there’s mutual interest before even going on a date. How would you end up dating a person without first knowing if they’re interested?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 05:11 AM
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That seems to be a very common opinion around here, actually
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 10:03 PM
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It’s shallow because the bar is so low it’s meaningless, not that they’re bad qualities. If you say you’ll date any woman who fits those three things, what makes any individual woman want to date you? It’s like sending out a mass text booty call: you’re telling them up front that you don’t care to see them as full humans, just as potential partners for you. Why would anyone want to date someone who would happily date almost anyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 07:31 PM
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I define highly educated as beyond just degrees, but yes, everyone in my circle has some form of higher education. Highly educated, for these purposes, means curious and well read with good critical thinking skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:59 PM
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That men aren’t homogeneous and don’t all think the same way. That the reason we see men wanting the same things is because those men refuse to figure out who they really are, instead preferring to just play the role of “Man” they were given. Women do this too. This is the entire problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:56 PM
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You added “in specific regards,” I did not say that. It seems the majority of people here believe that either men or women have a much easier time dating overall - not in specific regards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:53 PM
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Literally no
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:51 PM
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Right, but that’s because most people are happy to live according to what they’re told. High education and self sufficiency are high on the list of nearly every person I know, man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:50 PM
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You asked a question that has no answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:49 PM
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Yeah, hard work is hard. Complaining that the gender you’re attracted to has it easier is a much quicker, more base reward. But as this sub and others prove, it won’t lead to satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:22 PM
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Men and women are literally the same species.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:20 PM
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“Men” aren’t homogeneous, so each one will have different priorities and wants. Obviously. But it’s a lot easier to just roll with what society tells you to like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:20 PM
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That’s not what I’m arguing. I’m saying that people who buy into gender stereotypes at the expense of their own happiness are shallow. That’s what’s going on here. Do some work undoing that conditioning, and the problem solves itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 04:55 PM
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No, they’re shallow if their only requirements for a partner are “feminine (beautiful and slim), likes them, and won’t cheat.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 04:33 PM
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No, LOL, men and women might be conditioned to prioritize different things, but men and women are not inherently that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 04:32 PM
3

If that’s the case, the people in your circle are shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 04:17 PM
1

No, dude, after a couple of meetings, you know
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 12:19 PM
1

I think that’s what the date is for! Figuring out if you two have mutual chemistry. But there are shallow and immature people of all genders who will manipulate to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 10:22 PM
1

Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 09:25 PM
1

And I said that’s ridiculous, because only very immature people would choose to ask out a person they’re not very interested in because they’re too scared to ask out who they really want
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 09:01 PM
1

Being unable to speak to people you’re attracted to is not a gendered phenomenon. Yes, patriarchy maintains that men need to do the asking, and that’s unfair. But many women reject this idea in the first place and have no problem asking men out. I asked my spouse to marry me, more or less. The solution isn’t to ask out people you don’t like, it’s to grow up and learn how to be vulnerable and handle potential rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 08:30 PM
1

My point was that less traditional women might be more likely to make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 08:24 PM
1

Ah. I suppose seeking out less traditional women might help in that case. I just use online dating, so this is never an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 08:14 PM
1

That feeling is not exclusive to men! Do you think women don’t feel instant attraction to the point of anxiety sometimes?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 07:50 PM
1

Telling another person that you’re interested in them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 06:48 PM
1

Wat
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 06:42 PM
1

I mean, yes, being vulnerable is hard. That’s part of growing up. A couple weeks is more than enough time to figure out if the person you’ve just met is someone you’d like to date or be friends with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 06:29 PM
2

Is this not about men complaining women won’t have sex with them? If they aren’t upset about that, then what is the issue here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 06:03 PM
2

Right, but there’s a line there, even if different for everyone. If they’re attracted enough, they’ll flirt and look at you differently and all that stuff. If they just think you’re objectively good looking, that’s no problem; if they would sleep with you if you asked but the thought doesn’t usually otherwise cross their mind, also fine. It’s just if someone around me is so interested that they’re going to be upset if nothing ever happens between us, then they need to be forward and shoot their …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 05:39 PM
2

Okay. Nice Guys are guys of any looks who are obsessed with having sex and come across as creepy because of it, even when their actions are appropriate. It’s a vibe. Ugly guys are like ugly women or ugly non-binary folk. They’re gonna have a harder go of it finding people to have sex with. They also have fewer perks in life in general. That sucks, but that’s how humans work. There are plenty of ugly people who have a lot of sex. Like I said, check out the polyamory or queer communities and you’l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 05:26 PM
2

You think it’s gaslighting you to state that humans prefer attractive humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 05:13 PM
2

Eh, I don’t think you can really turn off sexual or romantic attraction. Knowing that person had those feelings would prompt me to take a few months break from them at least, before rekindling a friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 05:12 PM
2

No. The Venn diagram of “Nice Guy” and “ugly guy” definitely has overlap, but those do not mean the same things. An ugly guy who is obsessed with getting laid will come across as disingenuous, desperate, and creepy, but so does an attractive guy. It’s just that attractive guys have an easier time in the first place, so they’re less likely to become obsessed with having sex, and therefore more Nice Guys are ugly. The solution to this is to stop obsessing over having sex. It’s the same advice give…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 04:54 PM
2

Do you think that’s a new revelation? That’s all this is about? You’re mad that attractive people have an easier time in life? You know that fighting that bias is a core tenant of feminism, right? LOL this is mind boggling if this is literally all this issue is about. Like, where have you been??
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 04:37 PM
1

I’m not on either of those platforms. Explain to me what scenario you’re speaking about, then. Edit: like, is your point just that attractive people have an easier time getting laid??
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 04:26 PM
1

If you think neckbeardy nerd types aren’t getting laid, you’ve never seen the polyamory community. If women you want to have sex with tell you they’re not interested, stop seeing them. If you’re having a hard time finding women to have sex with you, congratulations, you’re human. Some have it easier than others. Why would you put yourself in a position where you continue to hang out with a woman who already said she wasn’t interested?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 04:21 PM
1

I do not understand what you’re not saying. Are you calling me a liar? When people lie about their intentions, that makes them bad partners. Why would you think it’s about looks when it has nothing to do with looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 04:09 PM
2

So, if a person is upfront about their intentions, and we are on the same page, there’s no problem. It becomes a problem when people hide their intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 04:00 PM
1

No? That attribution is about behavior, not physical looks. Edit: behavior and intent
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 03:51 PM
2

If they’ve told me that they are interested in having sex with me, then I know they are interested in me sexually. That changes a relationship. I wouldn’t continue a close friendship with a person who is sexually or romantically interested in me. Why would anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 03:24 PM
3

Haha, no, just up front and honest! (Unless of course things go well in which being mean on purpose may be discussed...)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 03:19 PM
2

I honestly don’t follow
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 03:07 PM
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No, I just can’t imagine a scenario in which I would continue seeing a person I wasn’t interested in, who was interested in me. Why would anyone want to be in either of those positions? And if I don’t know the other person wants to have sex with me, then they’ve been disingenuous about their intentions and I wouldn’t want to see or sleep with a person like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 03:06 PM
3

I don’t understand this issue at all. We have men who say they’re completely great yet can’t find a partner. We have women who say there are creepy Nice Guys who try to manipulate them into sex, and women who seemingly date men who are mean to them. There’s a disconnect there. Could it be that women are turned off by men who appear disingenuous (Nice Guys)? That would include men whose behavior is completely appropriate but just feels off, as if there’s a motive behind it, insincerity. Men who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 02:49 PM
1

I assume we’re operating under the assumption this person had previously expressed interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 02:34 PM
0

If a person is constantly thinking about having sex with me, then yes, most of their behavior will be perceived as an attempt to make that happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 02:26 PM
0

My spouse is over 6 ft tall and gets mistaken for a high schooler sometimes. We are in our mid thirties.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 12:49 PM
4

Pretty is cheap and attraction isn’t based on how “pretty” you think someone is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 03:55 PM
4

I don’t place that high of value on money, that’s my reason. I want enough to live without constant stress over bills and such, but making money for money’s sake just isn’t something I’m interested in. I have other priorities and it’s against my values in some ways, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 02:10 PM
-2

I wasn’t the one who compared men’s and women’s suicide rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 06:41 AM
1

You could, and people have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 05:33 AM
-1

Men also murder people more often. Playing the victim olympics is really unproductive. It all stems from misogyny anyway, so maybe try feeling your emotions once in awhile instead of trying to power through stoically like a Real Man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 05:27 AM
2

It’s just data, sweet pea
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 05:14 AM
0

Yes. Men usually use guns, and women consider who will clean up their remains, limiting their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 04:19 AM
-2

Men commit suicide more than women but women attempt it more, so
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 11:32 PM
4

This is the answer
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 10:37 PM
1

I feel like the way around that is to learn to find joy in the everyday, mundane parts of life. That way you’re not chasing emotional highs and/or expecting them to spontaneously come to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 06:01 PM
1

What do you mean by “the thought of his white horse needing to be fed not even occurring?” What does that metaphor mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 05:56 PM
1

What does disneyfied mean? Looking for a nonexistent fairy tale happy ending?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 05:52 PM
2

That article wasn’t speaking for some or most women. It said all, and any publication dumb enough to generalize like that is worthless. Do you also get your news from Facebook memes?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 04:07 AM
1

You got a single legit source on that? I know I don’t know every woman, but I’ve never heard of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 04:05 AM
1

I said yeah, dude
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 04:01 AM
1

Yeah right now I’m with my girlfriend while my spouse watches our son at home
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:45 PM
8

Then what’s the problem with women being high maintenance or boring? It sounds like you’ve got it figured out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:37 PM
1

What’s the appropriate response to a generalization that’s not true?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:34 PM
1

No, the difference is that according to this, women “have a type,” and men “won’t date an unattractive woman.” The criteria for “a type” is subjective; some women like beards, some don’t, male celebrities have a range of body sizes even if that range is smaller than the population as a whole. Men want a conventionally attractive woman; the criteria for that is difficult to meet and depends on genetics. Widen the range of what you consider attractive, or don’t date, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:33 PM
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Lots of words there to not say much. People who date are usually looking for a relationship. Most people want a monogamous life partner, even if that’s unrealistic. If they don’t want to deal with maintaining a relationship, they can just not date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:27 PM
2

Right but what’s that criteria? If it doesn’t exist in nature, well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:24 PM
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If you’re not finding that quality in women, you’re just dating women who don’t have that quality. Date well read, educated women, and you’ll get intellectual conversation. This isn’t a gender thing, it’s a personality thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:24 PM
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I don’t follow. Either a person wants a relationship and seeks one out, or they don’t. If what you’re doing to secure a relationship isn’t working, then change something. You don’t have to do anything involving romance or sex if you don’t want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 07:39 PM
1

What kind of value would you like to see a woman provide you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 07:03 PM
4

I’m a married woman, 35, never had those feelings. Next
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 06:59 PM
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Nobody says they have to, but most of them claim to really want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 06:57 PM
2

Not what was said. Being a type isn’t necessarily related to conventional attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 06:56 PM
-2

What I’m hearing is that you’d prefer women to hide their emotions in the same, unhealthy way men are conditioned to do? And that emotional compartmentalization is effective in achieving honest communication?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 12:38 AM
2

What do you think happens when it’s two women? Who’s responsible for whose arousal in that case? Or two men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 10:45 PM
1

Nope. I said it’s more difficult than not having or doing those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 06:57 PM
1

What are you talking about? That objectively makes no sense. It’s more difficult to have a child than it is to not have a child, because having a child creates a shit ton more responsibility. You no longer exist just for yourself; your kid’s needs now come first. Do you think our ancestors didn’t love their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 03:05 PM
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The growing of the child, labor, delivery, breastfeeding every two or three hours, pumping every two or three hours, fixing formula every two or three hours, everything tangible that comes with raising a child (doctor visits, age appropriate toys/books/workbooks, clothing that fits, extra budgeting required, appropriate car seats, etc), needing to be on call so to speak all day and all night every day for years, the loss of sleep during the first six months, the learning about childhood developm…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 06:08 AM
1

Do you have full time custody of your two kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 05:51 AM
3

Are you a parent?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 09:52 PM
6

Having a child is obscenely hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 08:47 PM
1

LOL ok kid
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 12:31 PM
2

You don’t believe that women were the property of men at any time in human history?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:57 PM
1

Women were property until fairly recently. Do you not believe that fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:13 PM
1

That’s a pretty well accepted fact. What history books have you read that suggested otherwise? The agricultural revolution birthed civilization, and that brought cities and villages, when previously humans had been nomadic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:55 PM
2

I mean, kind of. Once humans learned to grow crops instead of gather, property (land ownership) first became a concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:58 PM
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Lol that’s cute. As if women made it up instead of looking around one day and realizing they were actual property
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:52 AM
1

I’d say romance has a couple definitions. It can be a role or act, like playing a scene (being romantic); it’s a feeling, too, feeling romantically attracted to someone, wanting to hold them close and be near them and make them smile. Love also has several definitions. But romantic love is hard to define: it’s when you have a strong sincere affection for a person’s whole being, but it doesn’t start out as love, just the potential for it. Love grows and needs nurturing and is reciprocal. Romance …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:38 AM
3

Just an anecdote here but I’m raising a son and I care for him deeply. I spent years trying to talk my alcoholic dad into therapy, being his therapist, sending books, etc. I’m familiar with the struggles men and boys have in our society, I just believe they stem from the same systemic and cultural issues that feminism tackles. It was feminists who fought to be allowed to fight in combat, feminists who are calling for prison and drug law reform to help mainly the men affected, feminists who lobby…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:31 AM
2

Social status, next of kin situations, adoptions, being part of a thousands years old human tradition, religious reasons...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:16 AM
1

Yes, but the Venn diagram has significant overlap
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:14 AM
2

Why do you think that most marriages happen after taking stock of resources and other practical matters? I don’t think that’s true at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:13 AM
1

Hard same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:53 PM
1

You think it’s delusional to believe that keeping your head down and mouth shut is a very easy way to ignore and avoid the societal issues that bother you? No wonder you’re having a hard time following.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:04 PM
1

That commercial is about being the best. We’re talking here about not being an asshole. You’re free to ignore what’s happening around you; most people do. As long as you’re not doing the bad things in that commercial, you aren’t being the worst. Part of the problem, sure, in the same way that regular German Nazis were parts of the problem by just following orders. But most people aren’t going to be the best. I don’t understand your last statement. How has feminism affected you, personally and ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:55 PM
2

Nobody says men must intervene. People tell men who are asking how they can help to hold their friends accountable and stand up for women when they see bad shit happen. But that is NOT necessary in order to not be an asshole. The people who are having trouble with this nuance should just leave women alone. Stay out of what isn’t about you and you won’t have to worry about feminism at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:29 PM
1

I was being sincere. All anyone wants is to be able to go about their lives without being repeatedly interrupted or harassed. Leave people who are walking alone at night alone, and the problem solves itself. Don’t be mad at women for creating this problem, be mad at the men who don’t know how to mind their business.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:43 PM
2

Okay outside of someone dropping a wallet, don’t approach people who are alone at night and you won’t run into any issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:41 PM
2

What do you mean, women want men to intervene on their behalf? No, no, I don’t think you understand: when well intentioned men ask what they can do to help support us, we might say to intervene when someone is bothering us. But we would prefer to be left alone when we’re alone. Honestly, any man should just leave women alone when they’re walking alone at night. That’s really it. Just leave women alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:39 PM
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I don’t know how else to tell you, but you’ve grossly misunderstood what women are saying. I find it hard to imagine a scenario in which a woman walking alone at night wanted to be approached by a strange man. Do men want to be approached while walking alone at night? You can’t dodge a rhetorical question, but it’s easy to find out my gender if that’s important to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:18 PM
2

What else could women possibly be asking for other than to be left alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:58 PM
3

All we want is for you to ignore us. Nobody is saying otherwise. Just mind your own business! That’s literally it. The whole entire thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:31 PM
2

A+, great, the best answer is to ignore her! If all men did that, nobody would suspect all you nice guys of being creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:14 PM
0

Yeah, that’s good. If you’re minding your own business and don’t blame women for being on edge, then this particular situation is not about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:59 PM
1

Then you’re fine and not part of this specific problem. Stop being defensive about it and start just being mad at the men who can’t mind their own business and ruin it for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:57 PM
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Nobody’s saying you’re responsible. It doesn’t matter who’s responsible; we’re all responsible, none of us are responsible, humanity is responsible. What we’re saying is that it is a real phenomenon women experience. That is true. Now that you know that, you can adjust your behavior or assumptions based on that. When you do encounter a woman walking alone at night, what do you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:16 AM
-1

Who is they? Are these men or women speaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:13 AM
31

Those aren’t written for girls, they are written for women. Girls might read them and enjoy them too, but they’re marketed to adult women. You seem to think girls are one dimensional, like undeveloped characters. Why do you divide girls into “ugly fat loner girls” and “hot party girls” in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 01:07 AM
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You don’t think women who ask their boyfriends to stop talking to their female friends out of insecurity are ridiculed in the same way? Because they absolutely are. A lot of people get consumed by their new relationship and neglect their friends. And a lot of people think men and women can’t be platonic friends, or that it’s inappropriate to have opposite gender friends while in a relationship. This one hundred percent goes both ways, and it’s rooted in misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 02:36 PM
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Why do I sometimes want spaghetti and sometimes ice cream? Why do I sometimes sleep with the covers and sometimes not? It’s because women are humans who are able to make different choices on different days for any or no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 08:12 PM
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