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I think that’s true to a point. However, I do also think that men believe “male assertiveness” is the right way of being assertive. I also think that a lot of people (of both genders), don’t actually have high EQ to be able to see the underlying emotions/message that someone is communicating. And sure, people can’t be expected to read minds but surely people in relationships have some kind of trust for each other, to the point that they know that their partner isn’t purposefully trying to hurt t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 03:47 AM
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“Bitchy” is often just “assertive” (to men).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 03:18 AM
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We are attracted to people that are familiar. It sounds like you are at risk of only being attracted to and feeling “true love” with women who replicate the dynamic of your parents’ version of love. You probably have an avoidant attachment style. You should go to therapy and see what you find.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 03:20 PM
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What was your parents marriage like?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 12:49 PM
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Not sure how that is an accurate reply to what I said. Having a higher income is going to allow you to invest more (US is always going to be higher than Europe). And don’t forget to calculate your annual expenses, which are inevitably going to increase as you get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 01:44 PM
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Have you slept with any EE girls yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 01:26 PM
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You can get a remote job with a US-salary and work from Europe too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 12:21 PM
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SMV isn’t determined by you, it’s determined by the girls you sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 12:18 PM
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You said yourself, you’re a 5.5. Would you date other 5.5’s? I bet you’re answer is no, which shows how “hypergamy” isn’t gendered
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 12:16 PM
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To me, low value is directionless, lacking in intelligence (both emotional and academic), and with unhealthy habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 08:40 AM
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I think there are a couple of things to keep in mind here: A lot of us PPD women are outliers (likely higher IQ, more introverted, nerdy, xNTx types). A lot of TRP men are outliers. They were likely low-value men, thus their gfs may not have developed the same strong emotional bond that would lead to true trust and intimacy. TRP is younger. Their relationships are with younger women who wouldn't exactly know their own needs or how to assert themselves. Chaos is inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 05:38 PM
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Because they have no better options, not as their actual preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 08:45 AM
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What's your point exactly? I think I've missed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 03:47 PM
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They have more strict gender roles, which leaves fewer opportunities for women to be independent.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 11:45 AM
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Get a wife is very different to keeping a wife. No wonder TRP ends up divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 09:08 AM
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“Quality” is always measured by what you do, how you act; not some made-up notion of who you think you are inside. You are what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 09:07 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 06:42 AM
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Women do listen for months. After that, you can't seriously expect them to believe you are a competent adult anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 06:23 AM
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I meant it as an example. "should receive something" would communicate a feeling of entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 07:15 PM
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The only way to separate complaints from entitlement, like everything else, is through the language of the speaker. There is a vast difference between: "I'm frustrated and even a bit sad lately because I'm struggling with dating" and "I'm doing everything right, I should be getting something in return".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 07:07 PM
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Where do they share their feelings and how are they ripped apart for it? IME men don't share their feelings at all, that's why the Manosphere exists in the first place. Men are scared to share their feelings, not because of women ripping them apart, but because they inherently believe vulnerability to be a sign of weakness and they don't want to disrupt their image of masculinity. Any truth is subjective, internal, and feelings/emotions-driven. Humans are not rational creatures. Thoughts follow …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 05:21 PM
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What is "truth"? There is a man's subjective truth of "what happened when I shared my feelings" and there is a woman's subjective truth of "why I broke up with him".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 05:09 PM
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I don't believe that's true. There is a difference between talking about your feelings before getting to a proposed solution versus talking about your feelings and wallowing in self-pity, blaming the world, and never changing anything. Men expect women to be their psychotherapists instead of ACTUALLY getting a psychotherapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 05:01 PM
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Of single men, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 04:35 PM
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That is a strange analogy to use because the sun doesn't rise/set based on any of your investment/actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 04:34 PM
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My last comment was intended to address what you said at the end of your comment. Nice guys don't ever frame their problems as "I've had no luck.. etc". They are hostile, bitter, and DO communicate entitlement to the women who they blow up at. You are a man, so I doubt you have been in the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 04:12 PM
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The US diagnoses everything as "mental illness" because you are run entirely by pharma companies. Women ask for help when they need it. Men don't EVER get treated for mental illness and brood in isolation before cracking and either going on a shooting spree or offing themselves. Men have the exact same "help" available to them as what women do. Men never ask, so they don't get the attention they need.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 03:15 PM
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You can say the same about poor minorities who complain about doing everything right but yet are under-performing. If someone in a poor minority said "I work 10 hours a day doing cheap/hard labour" my response would be the same as any Nice Guy: "I'm sorry. I know what you are doing isn't working for you and that sucks. If you want more money though, you are going to have to get a skilled job that pays more". What is the problem with this? Is it that I'm apparently being insensitive? Isn't this t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 03:08 PM
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Why is it brave or foolish? It is being realistic and honest. If you want to be coddled because the truth hurts, you should update your flair to Blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:58 PM
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Most won't keep fucking him. That's why plates only last a few months max. There are more women who satisfy that list. It's the same variability as IQ. There are more deadbeats among men than there are in women. more mental illnesses Mental illness is 15-20% of the entire world. Depresssion itself is only 4%. It's not as significant as what TRP or Fox news wants dumb people to believe. It is true that women have higher rates of mood disorders (depression, anxiety, eating) but men have higher rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:55 PM
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It is feeling entitled. The fact that men throw around "I'm doing everything right" is the exact display of such entitlement that women complain about. Nice guys put in "nice guy tokens" and expect sex to come out. It is no different to a girl expecting commitment from casual sex. You're not a woman so you haven't personally dealt with nice guys when they blow up you and explicitly communicate their "expectations". I haven't dealt with women who make claims of "deserving" men either, so I really…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:46 PM
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Why would you expect something without also feeling that you deserve it? They are linked. Nice guys think they deserve it so they expect it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:40 PM
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because he doesn't have to be. That is my exact point. Satisfying that list would put a man in the top 10% where he doesn't have to commit. There are more women who satisfy that list than men. When they look for their "equal", they don't find it because the numbers don't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:37 PM
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if he is doing everything he is told He isn't getting a job because he relies on being told in the first place. He isn't smart enough to realize that successful people get to where they are by being observant of "what actually works" and by adapting. No they don't, they say they do, but they don't. You assume that women who sleep with a Chad without commitment in the first 2-3 months must mean that is their preference. "Plates break" is a slogan for a reason - when women don't get commitment, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:35 PM
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would people tell him "you're not entitled to a job!!"? People would tell him that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 01:35 PM
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Yet if someone complains that all his job applications are being rejected, would people tell him "you're not entitled to a job!!"? Why are you entitled to a job for simply applying? What skills do you have that demonstrate you are competent to even do the job? Further, what do you have that differentiates you from the thousands of other applicants? Women are attracted to aggressive men and are turned off by behaviors that indicate a man is low T. Do you know any Chads? When you think of them, ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 01:11 PM
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We are going to be fine, like we always have been.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 10:05 PM
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Because much of their problem comes from irrationally believing that women are some other species entirely free of faults. The red pill is acknowledging that women are as imperfect as they know they are themselves, although they will never admit that because their fragile egos keep it all in their unconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 09:05 PM
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The raw sexual attraction has to be there for sure, I completely agree with you. We seem to disagree with each other on raw sexual attraction having a hard requirement of looks. I believe it's quite common for a woman to lose sexual attraction to a man during their relationship but it's not because she never genuinely felt it in the first place and it's not because his looks weren't enough. There is a honeymoon period where she will be very sexually attracted to him and slowly over time, this dw…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 05:25 PM
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You've got it all backwards. True respect does not come from "being hot". Respect comes from competence, being skilled at something. Competence is hot to women. Men do not need to "respect" women. Don't blame women for the fact that they have any standards at all. Maybe men should do the same and only marry women that they genuinely respect. If men answer "there aren't any", then the message should be to not get married; such men wouldn't have the required personality traits for it to ever work …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 04:46 PM
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So they settle down the totem pole. So do men. Everyone settles for their best option not THE best option in the market. And her respect for her man determines EVERYTHING about how she relates to that man. about how hot she thinks you are. Respect and "being hot" are two different things. I agree with you that when a woman loses respect, the relationship will be on ice. It's both sides though - both men and women need to actively work at being people that are consistently worthy of respect; too …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 04:05 PM
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Again, quite the leap... women settle for men they are less attracted to How do you know they are less attracted? "most objectively attractive" doesn't take into account subjective preferences. to carry them through the tough times Carrying a relationship through tough times has less to do with how objectively attractive you are, and more to do with how you communicate, especially about sex and finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 03:27 PM
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Do you think that men are the same as each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 03:23 PM
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they aren't really attracted to What a leap. It is possible to be very attracted to people who are not the most objectively attractive of all people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 03:21 PM
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Do you think men are the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 02:41 PM
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so we cannot notice any tendancies or patterns. Why wouldn't you ask some questions then? TRP is a bunch of wild assumptions, instead of being an interesting (and honest) discussion about how people date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 02:39 PM
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Women choose the less desirable partner who is available to them too. You seem to forget that alphas don't give women what they want (commitment / monogamy). Everyone "settles" for the people who want the same things as them, regardless of whether they are the most objectively attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 02:36 PM
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You have border-line oneitis for a girl who is in “job / casual fun mode” (aka the cock carousel) and not “LTR mode”. You’ve made her feel like she is on a pedestal, which is unattractive and causing her to be iffy about you. Give her space and wait for her to reach out to you. If she doesn’t, you are not her top option. More frankly, you sound neurotic and stage-5 clingerish. Get busy with something that isn’t pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 09:13 AM
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When does TBP ever deny these things? What they do deny, is whether beauty has an impact on relationships, such that women can only be happy with "beautiful" Chad-like men. If incels/blackpill/TRP are able to make sweeping generalisations based on "observation", then perhaps they could equally observe that most people aren't Chad or Stacey, yet are in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 12:04 PM
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No girl wants to lose attraction. No girl wants to be in a rocky relationship..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:40 AM
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That's still you working from the assumption that the honeymoon sex is "false" and the long-term sex is "real". How do you know it's not the other way around?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 07:47 PM
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I think you have a really interesting outlook in general. Can you share examples of what essentially makes you respect someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 07:31 PM
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It's not false advertising because you are assuming she was lying at the start, aka "false".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 07:01 PM
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For the same reasons that active dread game works. Women need to feel that they haven't yet "captured" the guy for them to be sexually attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 02:45 PM
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Do you notice any similarities between them all? I'm just super interested if you continuously attract a certain type somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 05:29 PM
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have had some issues regarding mental health Like what exactly? It just seems weird that 4 girls have "mental health issues" considering it's only 15% prevalence globally.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 05:07 PM
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I don't know if this is really false advertising. I could say this happened to me in 3 of my 2+ year LTR's. I just lost attraction over time, mostly from living together and spending too much time around each other IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 05:04 PM
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I'm sorta convinced this is less a gender thing and more an IQ thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 04:57 PM
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Watch what men do, not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 04:38 PM
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You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped. They need to first accept that they actually want/need help.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 07:01 PM
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You seem to be disgruntled that you actually have to look after yourself like every other person on this planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 06:12 PM
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Men don't fall in love with cute. Heck, no one falls in love with cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 06:02 PM
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Being a nurse doing 16 hour shifts on-call probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 09:29 PM
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Join crossfit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 10:21 AM
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Vast majority of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 08:28 PM
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I mostly laugh at how bad the sex was.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 11:21 AM
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It is not "perfectly natural" for a child to be afraid to socialize. We are built completely for this. People are afraid to socialize only because they were previously rejected from comfort and hurt, most likely by their Mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 09:47 AM
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What does empathy have to do with overbearing? If anything, mothers who are overbearing are the complete opposite of empathetic; they aren't able to sense that their child is stifled from a lack of space and freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 07:27 PM
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No one uses logic. People “think” they are using logic, which is basically the ego (larger in males), which cannot acknowledge the multitude of science that agrees that humans are not rational. Every decision is made from emotions. We are very irrational creatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 05:21 AM
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Oh, because getting raped is so fun...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 05:11 AM
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You'd be surprised. Most women never date a Chad. Some women don't realize they are dating a Chad until it's too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:03 PM
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No woman willingly joins Chad's harem. Maybe there is a period of like the first 2-3 months of dating Chad, where she will sleep with him while thinking there is a chance for a relationship. When she realizes that's not true, she will leave. Chad's plate breaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:19 PM
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Were they all happily married?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:56 PM
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Plants are the way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:42 AM
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I never style my hair though. I have no idea how women find the time to do full makeup and hair every day..
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:28 AM
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This isn’t all true exactly. More and more, we are seeing that personality is biological (more nature, less nurture than what was previously thought). Plenty of people, in the face of continuous rejection, will have the adverse affect and just cave. I think you are alluding to “emotional resilience”, which an increasing number of people do not have and struggle to develop, even with repetition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:24 AM
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There is super interesting work by Donald Winnicott on being a “good enough” mother. Would recommend it as a read if you are curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:10 AM
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And like I said, the women drawn to such communities in the first place, are almost always past victims of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:44 PM
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We’re going to have to agree to disagree here. 10, 20, 30, 40, all minorities. I can give you that “tiny” is actually quantitatively a large number when it’s 10% of all women, so you can have that one. Females submitting is not the same as “degradation/kink/rape needs”, which is what your whole post was about. You’re moving the goalposts. Women don’t want rape. They want validation. We get off on the idea of an alpha being so uncontrollably into us that he HAS to forcefully take us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:30 PM
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Respectfully, I don’t believe you are interpreting this data correctly. You are reading what you want to read. The Kinsey table reports on prevalence of being bitten. Does that count as BDSM? 9% of heterosexual women is close to the 10% that I said, no? 69% admit to FANTASIES. ~20% have tried handcuffs and spanking. Again, do these count as the “degradation and rape needs” that you are claiming? Do you understand that women who have rape fantasies do not actually want to be raped, which is why t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 08:45 PM
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Did you even read that section? If you are referring to the table, that is not about BDSM prevalence. If you read the actual BDSM prevalence in that whole section, it is somewhere around 10% for women, and most likely even less considering that other US-like countries (Australia) reported a mere 1%. Is 10% a majority in the world you live in? I don't think you know what vulnerable means in terms of relationships. I don't mean vulnerable as anything related to danger/violence, I mean it as emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 08:24 PM
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Why do you continuously keep trying to make out that the women in the BDSM population are representative of "women"? Do you agree that BDSM as a sub-culture is a tiny minority overall? In which case, these women are outliers. As for your "women aren't vulnerable" argument, your bitterness is clearly blinding you. Get over her, man. You got hurt like 99% of the rest of us. Welcome to humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 08:07 PM
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"Submission" is exactly the same. Both dominance and submission are polarising labels that purposefully serve to promote inequality and keep one "different" from the other. When you are willingly submissive, you are communicating "I am different to you". It's a coping mechanism to avoid the vulnerability, which could lead to abandonment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 07:49 PM
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We have to be more conditional; we're the ones that give birth. It's not some manipulative conspiracy that women strategised against men for kicks. It's biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 07:44 PM
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Do you consider women over 23 to be women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 07:37 PM
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Personally, I don't buy that women like DT traits in isolation. I've read other studies on DT and it's only narcissism that has been found to be consistently attractive. It's always acknowledged in these studies that it's convoluted though; narcissistic men are, by nature, higher in extraversion, self-confidence, and able to control social situations. These are all very attractive traits in men that women are universally open about. Further, I'm not sure that we can extrapolate the BDSM communit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 07:29 PM
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Apart from the obvious, what do you actually learn about? Did you feel it was very gynocentric?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 02:27 PM
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I think that, for the women who read them, they are very influential. That said, I think feminism is a symptom of women feeling disrespected and inadequate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:53 AM
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How did you come away with this conclusion from the other thread? Women have casual sex with Chads. It’s not about you being a virgin, it’s about you not being a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:02 AM
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Exactly. I thought someone overlapped MBTI with the love languages too and found that gifts/service was mostly xSFx women, whom are the majority of women? Maybe Atlas knows more about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 07:24 AM
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I read a study recently on marital satisfaction and the “silent killer” was the perception of financial trouble. Not the actual amount of finances, just the perception (aka feels). It suggested that couples openly discuss/review finances regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:50 AM
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You can take the love languages test and see which of the 5 types you are. Men are often “touch”. There are types of “gift giving” and “acts of service”, which can be problematic for men who have SO’s with these types as they end up continuously spending and sacrificing to try to make her happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:47 AM
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I’m open to being totally wrong on this. To be fair, I just haven’t seen this type of thing on PPD, which is what I thought of when you said “online”. What are the exact quotes that someone would use to shame a virgin man? “You’re a virgin”? I imagined it to be “you know nothing about women”, which is where my first comment came from.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 09:54 PM
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This is impossible to answer. Like any virtue, the behaviors associated with a “label” are always subjective and change depending on who in answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 09:51 PM
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When I think of “virgin” of either gender, I think of someone who is timid, shy, and very awkward. This is more unattractive in men than what is in women but it’s still unattractive across the board. For me, the “virgin” label is not unattractive in itself; it’s the behaviors that virgins are presumed to have that are. It’s deeply unattractive when I feel that I am more dominant than a man. Assuming that a virgin was not crippling with anxiety and that I was physically attracted to him and liked…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:09 AM
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I don’t think they are shamed for being a virgin per se. They are shamed for theorizing about something they have little or no experience in (women). It’s less to do with being a virgin and more to do with being a pseudo-intellectual.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:22 AM
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Women know this. We aren’t arguing about this at all. We are arguing about men who make out that the ability to bang thirsty men somehow makes us privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:27 PM
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I think “toxic” or detrimental is when someone purposefully acts with an intention to emotionally harm, deceive, or just downright be a c*nt to someone, which can include themselves. That said, this is my personal moral system, which is subjective; I can’t expect people to have the same values. I think a lot of TRP men (and men) believe that to get casual no-strings sex, they have to lie to women. The “TRP is amoral” is a blanket statement to absolve men of their guilt for being blantant asshole…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 04:38 PM
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Can we have another purge week without them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 04:31 PM
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Why is it so good? How is it different?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 04:24 PM
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Define"not attracted". I didn’t feel that I wanted to have sex with him (tingles) and actually felt that I was the more dominant one, which is a turn off for me personally. Define "not mentally/emotionally attracted". We didn’t have synergy in interests, style of humor, outlooks on life. The conversation felt awkward, forced, and I didn’t feel comfortable with the person. I didn’t think he was “cool”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 08:32 PM
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I am a single woman who wants a boyfriend. I do not walk around saying or thinking that I am “better” than anyone. I have absolutely told men that I wasn’t interested in having more dates when I wasn’t attracted to them. There have also been times where the guy was objectively more physically attractive than me, yet I wasn’t attracted mentally/emotionally. I don’t believe I am an outlier here. I don’t think that most women use such a systematic style of thinking in terms of ordering and valuing …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 08:21 PM
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I don’t have enough information to conclude anything but I have questions: If you have seen examples of women doing that, then some women do that. Your title and post is about all single women. Did you ever ask one of these girls what “good enough” is to her? What is she looking for? What makes a man “good enough” to her? Haven’t you read about TRP’s hypergamy? Of course women want a man who is better than them at something, it is a display of competence, which is largely a biological instinct. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 08:03 PM
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There are several points that I am making that contradict yours: Your concept of what makes someone "better" is different to what I or anyone else would believe to be better. "Better" is a judgement of values, which is subjective and unique to each person. Further, unless you are sitting on dates with these girls and their potential suitors, I can't believe your view to be objective. When a person rejects another person's advances, it does not mean "Because I believe myself to be better, I am re…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 07:49 PM
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By truth you mean your subjective truth, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 07:17 PM
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I think that when we are critical towards other people, it is most often a projection of what we don’t like in ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 07:13 PM
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But "better than" is a subjective judgement that you personally are making based on what you personally believe to be "attractive". How do you know what your friend is looking for? When a girl says "I'm not interested", you would assume it means that she believes she is better than you, which is untrue and blatantly incorrect. TBH, all this sounds like is you have fragile self-esteem. Someone rejected you but you believed yourself to be better than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 07:07 PM
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Okay, but that is quite broad. Your personal idea of attractiveness might be different from hers. Are you meeting every guy she goes on a date with for example? How do you know what kind of life those guys lead? Maybe "attractive" to her is ambitious and the guys are lazy etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 06:49 PM
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And when you say her "level", what does that mean to you exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 06:42 PM
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Did the girl(s) literally say "I deserve better"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 06:36 PM
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+/u/User_Simulator zeitgirl_
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 06:24 PM
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That. Is. Amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 06:22 PM
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I make music sometimes 🤓 https://imgur.com/gallery/QK2V6CJ No pussy, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 06:07 PM
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Involuntary celibate men are incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 04:27 PM
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What cities do y'all live in? How many girls stay single until 30?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:59 PM
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If Jordan Peterson is your representation of what psychotherapy is, you are very ill-informed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 06:56 AM
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They kinda did do that already with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socionics
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 06:48 AM
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Index funds. You don't need to be a student of finance to spend less than you earn. Exactly the same as eating less than your body burns.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 06:40 AM
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The weight doesn't matter. It's body fat %.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:02 PM
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Yes, but they are materialistic people who select for each other. Frat guys and sorority girls match exclusively to each other because they have common interests. Recent studies show that people who measure higher on materialistic traits/behaviours experience lower satisfaction in relationships and are more likely to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:14 PM
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Okay, but when you say "high value guys", you do realize that you are biased towards one very specific type of guy, right? IRL there are many different types of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:04 PM
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Sometimes I have to ask myself what crowds people are running in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 01:32 PM
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I'm not disappointed. See why assumptions are erroneous?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:03 AM
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Not exactly a virtuous trait. Maybe you could try replacing with fortitude?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:57 AM
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So why make it even harder for yourself? Why wouldn’t you increase your odds?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:46 AM
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You are a virgin because you don't online date with women who are openly wanting to date. Look around you. Look at everyone using tinder etc. Can you honestly say that those are not real men? What makes a man real?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:17 AM
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Okay, but what may also happen is that you ask her on a second date and she says yes. She may even agree to a third date at your house aka netflix and chill. Hell, you may even end up liking the damn girl and deciding that you are perfectly happy having fun sex with her alone. Do you believe that the only men in relationships are 8/10+ Chads? Does it look like the men getting sex have "Cassanova tier seduction skills"? Is that what you see around you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:05 AM
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Okay, but in the case that you feel a connection, how would you know that things may not go anywhere without either making a direct move or being open about your attraction? Generally, both parties instinctively know, aka chemistry. Significantly is a very strong word in this case. I think you are underestimating the difficulty even Chad has in online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:55 AM
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Why is it not a good idea? When you say "connection", what do you mean exactly? As I understand, your experience of trying to date has been largely approaching women who have not at all indicated that they are available or interested in dating anyone. Wouldn't you agree that online dating is a different market of girls by default who may have different outcomes?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:43 AM
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What isn't a good idea? Respectfully, I think you are speaking of things that you have little experience in. I think you underestimate how many people are in an "in-between" phase of their life and don't want something serious. Plenty of people are dating for the purpose of FWB, if that's what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:33 AM
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it's quite possible she could intuitively think things were going to end up somewhere "Good People" state early on what their intentions are and what they are looking for. This is what authenticity is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:30 AM
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Stress is subjective. Rejection, dry-spells, being a virgin at 30, are all very painful things, but they could trigger the same amount of pain/anxiety to another person who's cat died. Guess for me butterflies seem more meaningful experience because it is a real grounded passion. Whereas a "compromise" just sounds like a dead bedroom relationship. Have you been in love before? The woman I took on a date, if she thinks it could lead elsewhere like a relationship. Do you think that every girl who …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:20 AM
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Everyone at some point is rejected by someone they are attracted to, so the frustration/sadness/fear is not specific to you, it's universal in dating. Yes, it's lust, not love. Love at first sight is a cop-out and devalues what love genuinely is, which is a compromise. when I started to get good at the messaging thing I felt guilty enough about leading people on, it's considerably worse when you took them on an actual date. I don't understand what this means. Who are you leading on?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:06 AM
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Go on a first date from OKC or Tinder and you will see that there can still be even more anxiety because it’s so intimate and you actually are talking to the person and are already under judgement. Actually, for this reason, I would argue that there is even more potential anxiety on a first date over cold approaching. A man doesn’t have “feelings” from seeing a pretty girl on the street. Cold approaching and online dating are both intended for the same goal: a first date. That’s it. Respectfully…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:49 AM
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Why is your masculinity tied to your success rate from cold approaches and not your success rate with women? Cold approaches have a notoriously low rate for all men, even Chad. Hell, I can tell you I have turned down men that I was physically attracted to just because they cold approached, which I find to be sleazy. With online dating, you can filter for one’s actual interests/hobbies so that you for sure have something in common to build rapport.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:17 PM
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Okay, but what actually happened? What was the conversation like? Where/when did you approach? In your opinion, why didn’t the recent ones go anywhere? I’m not sure I understood what you meant by suspending your profile. What is the risk of meeting women that you talked to online? Plenty of people use online dating apps to meet people. What does authentic and real life mean exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 09:58 PM
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I’m not implying anything with this. I asked straightforward questions to get more info.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 09:48 PM
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What happened in the recent approaches? One additional question, have you reconsidered online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 09:43 PM
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Serious questions: Have you considered joining crossfit? It has a huge social community, even just to make friends including guy friends, and you will bulk up more. I read your journals again. These were from 2 years ago. Have you being approaching women recently? What has happened the last few times exactly? You also mention that the girls you were approaching back then were 7+ and that you didn’t want to lower your standards “yet”. Have you reconsidered that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 09:29 PM
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Muh LOYALTY
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:54 AM
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They don’t see them as competition, they see them as an extension of porn, which some believe is a current crisis. The expectations of real women gets wildly separated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:34 AM
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PPD men are an indication of why. Autistic men would rather sit online writing theses on the black-pill with completely biased citations, rather than joining CrossFit and toastmasters. This shit isn’t hard. Any man who says this is hard is a whiny baby. Oldest teenager in the house, my lord.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:29 AM
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People are with other people for companionship and emotional support. Life is generally better when you’re in a relationship versus being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:22 AM
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Oh but when a man cheats it’s not “emotional”? A man can love his wife, fuck his secretary, and still be “loyal”? You could power a city with that hamster.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:21 AM
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It means hang yourself in incelese.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:14 AM
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https://imgur.com/a/l2KWBLp
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:52 PM
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I am a tomboy who reads books and speaks confidently and eloquently for the intimidation factor. I ALSO get max validation from my instagram selfies because I'm pretty and have a sweet squat booty. #haters
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:36 PM
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People need guidance Whenever you give advice to "people" in your posts, all I read it as is "I personally need guidance". "I personally need qualified mentors". "I personally want to be a force to be reckoned with". When people are serious about wanting to change their lives, they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:20 PM
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People know what success is. People know that being healthy, rich, and popular, is all part of the "dream"; the only difference is in peoples' acceptance of their own responsibility/power over their own lives. Google is free. Anything one would want to learn about, one could find.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 06:50 PM
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My whole argument is that those are hardly “accomplishments”. No one is going to respect a man for doing those things, considering that most people do them every day. It’s great to look after yourself but don’t expect it to dramatically raise your SMV or entitle you to women. Most men are dating and marrying women so I am not sure what you mean. Can you honestly say that you don’t want a life that involves love or intimacy with a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 10:34 AM
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Your list is basically Adulting 101, no? These should be taught by parents, not schools. I don’t think those things are enough to be sexually attractive anyway. There is no mention of “game” aka charisma, high energy, dominance, frame, being exciting to women. Your list is for guys who want to be vanilla beta-bux IMO. Men have to seriously wake up and realize that the more dominant women become themselves, the more dominant men have to be to inspire sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:39 AM
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Hard next.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 05:13 AM
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Both by Chad 😍
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:48 PM
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Rope.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:47 PM
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They legitimately need ketamine. It would help so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:44 PM
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Who hurt you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 07:28 PM
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You really like this line, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 07:26 PM
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Well, yes. Because he knows happy children come from stable marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 07:21 PM
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What was your childhood like?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 07:11 PM
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I haven't approached anyone, lol. How do you know that you are 1/10?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 06:51 PM
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+1 Also shrooms or ketamine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 06:48 PM
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This is not really related to your post but I am curious: do you / have you approached lower SMV girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 06:46 PM
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For sex, they don't. For commitment-minded men that women care about, yes they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:34 AM
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If you are already sold, why ask for anyone else’s opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:28 AM
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I did skip throughout it and it seemed to be much the same. I listened to a lot of the dialogue with women he was having.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 10:13 AM
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I watched only the first few minutes. Look, banter/negging can be fun to anyone. If all you care about is sex, I would say that it works, especially with younger girls with lower self-esteem. I don't believe it would work on all women. That said, using "emotional spikes" to build a real relationship with actual intimacy is, in my opinion, unwise. It ends up being two people playing a game of one-upping the other versus a deep mutual respect that comes only through open communication and vulnerab…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:51 AM
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Plot-twist: Men don't like boring women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:34 AM
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or they somehow have to find a way to get a disenfranchised inexperienced man to commit and betabux Women aren't doing this. Women want a man they are attracted to or nothing; they'd rather be single. Hell, they'd rather have Chad's baby and be a single Mother than to "settle".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 09:20 PM
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You're boring. Be less boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 09:07 PM
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Why men need to take women off their pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:51 PM
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I am entj and seriously feel doomed. I think the girl version is too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 04:07 PM
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What is your husband’s MBTI?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 03:48 PM
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Aren’t you the best match for INTJ?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 03:30 PM
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What is your MBTI?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 03:24 PM
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Please define what "fulfilling relationship" means to you, either personally or on behalf of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:44 PM
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Sure but IMO women much more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 11:14 AM
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Men don’t get the same treatment. Like I said, a man can be a single bachelor and still be very high value and respected. A single woman is always seen as unstable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 10:52 AM
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For the women you mentioned, what made them hotter now? They just “grew into” their femininity more?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 06:06 AM
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The body image is pretty unrealistic for women. They are models. Face etc is largely genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 05:36 AM
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RPW2 is amoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 05:09 AM
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What do you mean that IQ takes over? Do you mean in men only?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 06:05 PM
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It’s.. it’s like you purposefully don’t listen. “Alpha widowing” was a label given by TRP to the drug-like feelings a girl has after being dumped by an alpha. And TRP IS correct technically but their definition is just too narrow. A girl can feel those exact same feelings regardless of whether the guy was a complete “alpha”, so long as he was the girl’s’ best option that she will not be able to replace. There are so many posts on RPW where women strongly believe they were alpha-widowed except th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 06:02 PM
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No it’s not just heartbroken. It’s pining after a guy who was higher SMV than her, a level of which she won’t get again (IMO).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 05:46 PM
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This is what I’m getting at. The whole feelings/experience of “alpha-widowing” isn’t dependent on the guy being an alpha, even though TRP defines it that way. Any girl who gets broken up with before the relationship is ever truly defined may experience exactly the same thing. It’s actually less about the guy and more about the girl’s options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 05:29 PM
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Yes but not just that. A guy could be an 8/10 and still be beta. Any 6-7 girls he pulls may not be fat and could still get “widowed”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 04:24 PM
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I'm not saying that. I'm suggesting that a girl can be "alpha widowed" by a guy, which is a specific feeling/experience, even if he is a beta. A beta could still have higher SMV than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 01:05 PM
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I'm not saying that. I'm suggesting that a girl can be "alpha widowed" by a guy, which is a specific feeling/experience, even if he is a beta. A beta could still have higher SMV than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 01:05 PM
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I disagree with a lot of the BS on TRP but I don't think it should have been banned; like you, I'm all for genuinely free speech, regardless of whether it matches my personal opinion or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 11:15 AM
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Respectfully, I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 10:21 AM
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I didn’t say I agree with the ban at all. Your question was how is it violent. By the definition of violence, words are violence, whether you subjectively agree with it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 07:33 AM
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Violence. Noun. Actions or words that are intended to hurt people. Who gets to define what a “hate sub” is? To me, a sub becomes a "hate sub" when it shares more "hate" than anything else. You do you, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 06:24 AM
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It is largely a misogynist hate sub. People talk about the "gems" in there, which I agree with but there has been too much BS added on top. It's not about "sexual strategy", it's almost about strategically and revengefully hurting women as payback for their crazy-bitch ex gfs who they should have vetted better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 05:32 AM
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Are you Christian? Guessing from the username..
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 05:29 AM
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then it is possible for a woman could be alpha-widowed by a beta This is totally possible IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 05:03 AM
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The 19 year-old has more experience with LTR's and hookups. The 27 year-old kissless virgin has more life experience from having more life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 04:57 AM
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Like I attempted to say, you are a man; you probably cannot really understand the subtlety of the social matrix among women. No-one is outright saying "what is wrong with you?" but it is the undertone. It's a friend that you haven't seen in weeks asking you "why don't you have a dog yet?". There is an expectation that women are supposed to have men. Men don't have that same pressure. It's almost endearing to be a lone wolf bachelor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 07:25 PM
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"have you met anyone yet?" Exactly what I said. The fact that this is often asked so early in a conversation, perhaps if I haven't seen them in a few weeks, is bizarre to me; like as if it's the top thing going on in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 07:15 PM
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A woman's value is determined by other women; we don't really give a fuck about men. Women judge, and are judged by other women, based on "having it all". Every woman has the same materialistic narrative of being thin and elegant, tuned in to fashion, having a hot husband, a nice house, her own career, two children (one of each), and an instagram filled with photos of the Amalfi Coast drilled into her head daily. This is "high value" for a woman. This is the peak of "success".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 07:10 PM
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It can be as simple as "have you met anyone yet?". There is a constant expectationt that my life's purpose must be to meet someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 06:50 PM
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My family. My friends; especially girlfriends who ask about my love life. From men at work, my personal trainer, guys who slide in my DM on instagram, guys from the small town I grew up in who probably creep my facebook profile trying to work out if I might be desperate enough to fuck them yet. Almost everyone will, at some point, ask why I am single and when I am going to get married. A woman's value is determined by her relationship to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 06:33 PM
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I believe you made your OP edits after I commented.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 05:52 PM
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Considering I recently posted a thread where many men shared how they had been influenced by cultural narratives, I question why you feel this is somehow a unique phenomenon among women. We are all influenced by culture, largely so that we fit in, are not rejected or abandoned, and actually receive love. As a woman who has, perhaps uniquely, undergone a lot of psychoanalysis to understand myself, I can tell you that I was absolutely influenced by "cultural narratives", and that I still am. It is…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 05:26 PM
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Which “modern issues”?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 07:49 PM
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She’s rarely wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 07:35 PM
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He has done that already. A lot actually. IMO he needs higher SMV or better, to get a friends group that he will meet girls through.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 07:32 PM
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Isn’t it just find people you have things in common with? Footballer Chad dates cheerleader Stacey. Rock band Chad dates artsy Stacey. Lifting Chad dates yoga teacher Stacey. Engineer Chad dates graphic designer Stacey.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 07:17 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 06:01 PM
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You're right, she totally moved the goalposts. That said, so does this: most men get some sex sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 06:36 PM
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This is what she originally stated. Yes but she asked for proof for a different metric. Your average man is having sex. Please provide proof of your claim. With almost a fifth of the male population not getting sex whatsoever in a whole year or even still being virgin at 26yo, That means 4/5 do get sex and aren't virgins... ?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 06:00 PM
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Do you mean Atlas? She's an obvious outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 05:32 PM
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That is so silly and you know it. You can’t seriously think that any girl (or person for that matter), could stand to be around someone like that 24/7. People like people that they have things in common with. It’s called rapport. Most “assholes” are just assertive. Men don’t see the entire personality of men that women who are sleeping with them do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 08:18 AM
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I’m sorry but I can’t believe you have been in a serious relationship if that’s what you think. Men being vulnerable, crying, open emotionally is very endearing when you’re in love with each other. So long as it’s a heart-felt “moment” and not an extended whinging or whining without any attempt to try to resolve anything. Women aren’t repulsed by “vulnerability”, they are repulsed by having to be the Mother of the guy who is supposed to protect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 08:34 PM
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Two things: Chad pairs up with Stacey precisely because they have such vapid outlooks in common. Women want the man that everyone else thinks is an asshole. Women get off on "taming" or dominating him; like 50 shades of grey.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 08:02 PM
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Depression isn't a quick thing that you just "vulnerably share" once and then get over. There are two stories that both have elements of truth to them: Your Dad's story. That sharing his depression resulted in your Mother demolishing him. You Mum's story. That your Dad's sharing of his depression was all well and fine until he repeatedly kept doing it without any action to change or get better, resulting in the demolishment of her. He saw a therapist and psych for that. So he should have instead…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 07:53 PM
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I get what you are all saying but I don't agree with this idea that women are maliciously lying to men or hiding their preferences. Saying "that most women will admit to" implies a secrecy, whereas I think most women are just not self-aware of what attracted her to each of her past lovers. Men can all seem very different to each other, anyone can get obsessed with someone for the most obscure reasons, and I don't think women like the idea of systemising people in such a way. Every girl wants to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 07:31 PM
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They talk about it in field reports etc as part of the "men get better with age" cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 06:10 PM
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How do women refuse to admit this? I feel like we say it all the damn time. We like confident, capable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 05:19 PM
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This is something TRP gets wrong IMO. I'm also in my 20s and a guy having kids is a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 05:17 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 12:18 PM
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Writing this is a reflection of your entire problem. You seriously need to look at yourself, not others, not the world, YOU. What do these essays give you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 12:01 PM
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I think I had “nerdy interests” in my tinder profile when I used it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 08:02 PM
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I think "reading" or perhaps "literature" are the closest you're going to get. She might mention her education if she was doing her masters or PhD but that already goes into "unattractive" territory IMO. You learn how intelligent someone is through conversation; that's the purpose of dating. Try OKC over Tinder if you want to filter for authors or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 06:53 PM
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Don't people put "reading" on their profiles? A girl still wants to sound feminine and attractive. "likes computers and academics"... lame. All the xNTx women aren't on dating sites, they're on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 06:29 PM
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You sound fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 06:24 PM
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have enough SMV for relationships but not casual sex I'm not sure this happens. rather than a genuine connection This is a pretty difficult show to "put on". When you're in love with each other, true intimacy, it would take a master of manipulation to be able to fake all that IMO. LTR's take a lot of work and they shouldn't be entered lightly. TRP is very right to call them "hard mode". Regardless of the guy's SMV, the girl will move through cycles of losing attraction and not wanting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 05:49 PM
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I can see you would think that but it wasn't my intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 05:36 PM
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Uhh.. no, not really. I suggested "social hobbies" for the sole purpose of making friends. If there is a hot girl there (likely) or women are attracted to said hobbies, then they're bonuses on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 05:34 PM
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Look, I don't mean to get catty but you said I underestimate what work is involved. The things you listed are adulting 101 to me. The people I have empathy for are the men who do some of those "normal adult" things plus approach thousands of women and are unsuccessful. Without that entire foundation, particularly the social skills, they will not succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 05:30 PM
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It’s a dance, push pull, cat and mouse, all that stuff. Neither party can ever feel that they have truly “captured” the other person emotionally. This means more distance, more hot & cold than most well-adjusted people would probably have the patience for, but it absolutely creates the most tension, which results in “great sex”. This is why men get so railed by BPD girls who create this dynamic unconsciously. The unpredictability of it is literally addictive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 04:57 PM
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I didn’t make that insinuation, he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 04:49 PM
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Like you eloquently said, SMV is the foot in the door. If you imagine this all like a funnel, a lower SMV is the top. If everyone is dropping off there, obviously it’s impossible to “convert”. That said, girls usually settle on lower SMV for higher RMV. That’s what men need to be careful with. If they let themselves go, that 1 point difference may suddenly be a 3 point difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 04:47 PM
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I don’t overestimate those things at all, but frankly, apart from approaching, I do all those things myself every day. I have little empathy for men who say it’s too hard. I think a lot of women are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 04:44 PM
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I don’t think we disagree at all. I agree that it’s not dependent only on the girl, that’s not what I meant at all. I just mean that there are only so many things that a guy can control in himself. And yes, there are consistent things that a man can control in himself that will be successful (lifting, social skills, friends, status). Men without experience should be going after similar lower SMV girls at the start, not high-n Stacey types. People have to be objectively aware of their own SMV and…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 11:22 AM
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Male solipsism. That “perk” is only a perk to you because you have male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:45 AM
1

What about OKC? You can filter for Christians. Are you involved in any church community groups or meetups?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:35 AM
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There is no one single consistent reason for past failure. There are many and they vary depending on the girl and the environment. I agree that men need to keep trying new approaches after things don’t work, which is why I said to keep changing their methods. All TRP is, is a sense of control. Yes it gets many things about the What of sexual nature right, but inexperienced men become rigid and follow the script, which is obvious to women and very cringey. TRP’s interpretations of Why people/wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:31 AM
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I think it is possible but for reasons that wouldn’t be desirable by him (something is wrong with the girl but she wants a bf so she “settles” on SMV). For healthy relationships that are going to last, yes SMV is a necessary precursor but IME it’s more that the guy should be at the same SMV as the girls he is approaching/dating or higher. IME the 3 x LTRs I had where I was higher SMV meant that I lost attraction at the 2 year mark and broke up with them. I was very sexually attracted to them at …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:20 AM
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Why is someone not understanding something gendered?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:05 AM
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This is silly. Not everyone here drinks or parties. Why don’t you online date? What about toastmasters to learn confidence in speaking? What about meetups to just speak to people?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 04:21 AM
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I think “social barriers” can totally be a thing but they are always self-imposed. People always imagine “social anxiety” to be like excessive worrying or panic attacks or whatever but if someone is avoiding forming relationships with people, even just as friends, then they have some form of social anxiety and should be working it out with a therapist. Isolation is a problem that only gets exponentially worse. Everyone needs close friends; it doesn’t have to be a whole lot of them, 1 or 2 is per…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 09:18 PM
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I think “real” hobbies are actually pretty isolating (making music, art, etc). But there are social hobbies like CrossFit, bouldering, interest-based meetups. You have to become a regular somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 09:08 PM
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RMV is character, values, life goals, hobbies and interests (reasons as to why you’d want to keep someone in your life long-term). SMV is obvious presence of dominance, humor, confidence, good banter, an air of “this guy is cool” (reasons as to why you’d want to have a single fun night AKA tingles). What is that movie with Gosling as the PUA kinda guy who teaches Steve Carell game? Basically all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 08:42 PM
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They are in there. A small bout of psychoanalysis and you’d find a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 07:56 PM
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Tension.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 07:52 PM
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Like all your other posts, I really think you just want someone to validate that you personally do not fit the typical neckbeard stereotype. Of course there are other “types of men” that struggle in dating. There are also different “types of women” that struggle too. Dating is hard. Humans are complex. People reduce everything down because they are lazy thinkers, living in black-and-white worlds, without the ability to recognize and accept nuances. Men need to stop being so hard on themselves - …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 07:43 PM
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Can you work remotely at all? My SF salary in Berlin makes it impossible to not save. And I am in a really fortunate position and know that most people don't have any kind of savings or emergency fund to fall back on. I remember the dread I'd feel every week when I was studying, knowing my bank account would be going into the negative before I got paid next. I can't even begin to imagine what that must be like for people with families to support or health issues :(
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 05:56 PM
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Nice catch, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 07:14 PM
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To be fair, men blow their money too. Generally, the more people earn, the more they spend. I send my friends and family links to financial independence stuff all the time but no-one cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 06:25 PM
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I agree. It seems to biologically impossible for a man to respect a woman. Perhaps something to do with men fucking and women getting fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 06:14 PM
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Wouldn’t you agree that you might be a little biased? Perhaps you’re trying to manipulate us...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 04:47 AM
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You said women brag about being a slut to other women, which you've conveniently skipped over.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 04:13 PM
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Women don't talk about "being a slut" or "promiscuous" with other women. My single friends who use tinder will talk about dates they went on, what the guy was like, if they did have sex they would tell what it was like. Men/dating/sex in general is probably like 10% of our entire conversations. Based on your comments here, the women you know: Brag about being sluts Enjoy a lot of ONS Have you ever considered that you're in a particular scene of like-minded people?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 04:03 PM
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Disagree with what? That they prefer a ONS over sex with a boyfriend? Yeah right. You mean "most women that you know".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 03:54 PM
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Sex isn't fun when it's with a stranger. Have you ever had a ONS before? IME the sex was awful and awkward as fuck. Relationship sex is a million times better for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 02:47 PM
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But you'll only know about that after it has happened Or.. you could just hang out with the dude, have a coffee in a park, and ask him what he's looking for. Communicating like an adult - mind-blowing stuff here, people!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 02:42 PM
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These men who keep disappearing, This assumes that it's 100% on her and it's not. Some men just flat-out do not want a relationship at all, they wouldn't be into even if the girl looked like Miranda Kerr and acted like the perfect RPW (minus the tradcon hang-ups about sexuality).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 02:34 PM
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Is this really anything new? I will add that I think TRP does need to allow for a wider range of what type of sex women like. Sometimes women want to be fucked, sometimes they want to make love. The variety/spontaneity is the attractive part.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 06:38 PM
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The data doesn't show that. Scandinavian countries are the happiest people in the world, both men and women. Further, the gender gap in happiness has basically levelled out and there is no longer any significant difference between men and women (women used to report higher than men but they have declined). Your argument doesn't even make sense. People being on antidepressants doesn't mean they can't be happy or satisfied with their lives. And where did you pull the "because men lack spine" reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 06:00 PM
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Our women are the most depressed women in all of the world, because men lack spine Is there a study for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 04:12 PM
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Look at all the comments here, it’s clear that’s not a gendered insight and men share that fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 05:51 PM
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it has seemed a lot easier dating during my 30s than it was in my 20s Curious - in what way(s) has it gotten easier? How did dating change between your 20s to 30s?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 03:48 PM
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I agree that we need to see the data for TRP's graph and that it appears to be BS. That said, using the fertility rate isn't an accurate measure of SMV as it ignores all the people who are fucking but aren't having children. SMV is difficult to quantify anyway as it's largely subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 03:47 PM
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It's based on feelz.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 01:15 PM
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Most modern women aren't good enough for most modern men either, don't worry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 01:07 PM
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It's not about dehumanizing the person, they dehumanize sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 01:00 PM
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You don't hang out with women at all, it's crystal clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 10:49 AM
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I've told you this before but the things that you write make it very obvious that you do not know enough real-life women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 10:48 AM
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You're right, petrified is not really the right word but your comment is the exact thing I was getting at. A doll, the body of a woman without her capacity for her evil ways, is much more appealing. Someone hurt you and you haven't let it go, probably can't let it go, and probably don't even want to let it go because then she'd truly be gone. Your bitterness is what keeps you tied to her, whether you like it, or even are aware of it, or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 10:21 AM
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If toys for men are dehumanizing to women, toys for women do the same to men. I agree with this actually. Of course they're dehumanizing - they aren't human.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 10:14 AM
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Think about what a sex doll is, really; it's a woman's body without her mind in it. Men are petrified of womens' minds, specifically of them having their own mind, which would rightfully lead them to reject most modern men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 06:42 AM
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That is probably going off installs and it isn’t 60 million ACTIVE user accounts. They have a ridiculous churn rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 05:17 AM
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She's not too busy. She's not into you. Sorry. Whenever someone says "too busy" it means "I have higher priorities".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 06:04 PM
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Then how or why are you even relating this to career women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 05:47 PM
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If she didn’t suggest another time when she’s not busy, then she’s just not that into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 05:16 PM
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By all means, I am one of these "career women". I disagree that you can't have a career and still be happy. I do work 60+ hour weeks voluntarily but so does everyone else that I work with in STEM (who are all happy, smart, UMC Stanford types). I can be harsh, cold, manly, especially at work, but it's not all the time. I make sure to look after myself. I look feminine, I still dress feminine, but I am just not a hot Stacey Instagram-model type (never was, never could be even if I tried). TRP woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 04:34 PM
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Firstly, most women do not want casual sex. That's why most women are not having casual sex. The women who are using Tinder, online dating, participating in the hookup scene, are not the majority; even in Europe and even in a party city like Berlin (where I also live btw). Secondly, when women do participate in the casual sex scene it is not the ideal state for them. They are either 1. looking for an LTR or 2. between LTR's / genuinely not looking for a boyfriend for personal reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 02:52 PM
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Most women do not want to "get fucked". Most women want a deep, intimate relationship with an attractive man who cares about them and is committed to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 11:41 AM
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Yes, totally.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 07:22 AM
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Honestly, I'm sorry you're going through this. Regardless of gender, it is really hard to make genuine friends and it only gets harder as we age. That's why they are so valuable. I still don't understand why it's not possible for you to make friends atm? And it's not a spiel, but of course it's unattractive. Attractive means that people are attracted to you, like a magnet, they want to be around you. That doesn't seem to be the case at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 07:10 AM
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Male orbiters are not friends. Men are rarely friends unless you have worked or went to school together. And women don't just magically "meet women through their circles", especially when you are in a new city where you don't know anyone. Why is it not possible for you to make friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 04:51 AM
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Freud did say that we are all actually bisexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 04:35 AM
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I am not talking about men or dating, I’m talking about friends. How are you planning on making friends? Do you believe that you even need them? You are obviously very sensitive to what assumptions people and “society” make of you. You do realize that everyone has responsibility for everything in their own lives right? Anyone who doesn’t believe that is a teenager.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 04:25 AM
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You don’t just mean “beneath” them, you mean dumpster diving as trash that no one else wants, what would be found in a dumpster.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 04:18 AM
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There is a clear expectation that the 4 wouldn’t reject him because she has lower SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 08:41 PM
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What social barriers? That you live in a “metropolitan” area? I grew up in rural Australia and now I live in Germany, where German is the first language by the way. Your “social barriers” are excuses. What is stopping you from joining a gym, going to meetups, joining any club or sports group, in the exact same way that thousands of other people do every single day? And I never said anything about bad or wrong, frankly I don’t believe in morality. I said “attractive/appropriate”.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 08:25 PM
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Read this again: One place where rejection issues can stem from is the fact that a man that is a 7+ still has to be the pursuer even when he's dumpster diving, and he can still be rejected by a woman that's a solid 4. You can play dumb as you like but you know that there is a clear expectation from men, as illustrated .
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 08:18 PM
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You are currently not successful in either friendships or dating. How is it an assumption?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 08:14 PM
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That's correct, you do not have attractive/appropriate social behaviour that comes from having friends. You have either not had enough friends or the friendships you have had have been shallow and superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 07:40 PM
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When a 7 guy expects a 4 girl to just drop to her knees for him, purely because he’s objectively more physically attractive, why is she the self-righteous one? He is the one with a clear expectation; it’s pure entitlement. Like I said, just because a girl rejects a man, doesn’t mean it’s because she doesn’t believe he is attractive or has high SMV, it’s because she knows he doesn’t have what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 07:22 PM
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that a man that is a 7+ still has to be the pursuer even when he's dumpster diving, and he can still be rejected by a woman that's a solid 4. Why is that a problem to you if a 4 rejects a 7? She’s not saying she is more attractive than him or that she “deserves” better. She is simply saying she doesn’t want to fuck him. It’s mostly out of self-preservation. Most women know what a guy’s intentions are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 06:24 PM
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It doesn’t change anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 05:57 PM
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I’d mix it up. 70% asshole with 30% displays of cute beta-ness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 05:50 PM
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Do you even lift? No, really. Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 05:35 PM
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It’s usually an arrangement for when people have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 04:19 PM
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You have to remember that, though men don't necessarily see it this way, women feel that they are giving their best through commitment not casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 03:33 PM
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It's entirely possible to have both a high n-count and LTR's.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 09:43 AM
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I'm a woman and I disagree with this. The most attractive trait in a man is whether the woman perceives him to be more dominant than what she is, where "dominance" is impacted by a large number of individual factors, one of which might be "willpower".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 09:40 AM
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Your problem with women is that you do not have attractive/appropriate social behaviour that comes from having friends. We learn about ourselves by bouncing off of other people. You have not had deep relationships with other men, and so you suffer. Get friends first. The women will come later.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 08:58 AM
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It's not his looks and is absolutely his personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 08:50 AM
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The social hierarchy of dominance. They exist in all species, such that the top, the apex, has the most offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 08:35 AM
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Like what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 08:31 AM
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That doesn't counter my statement in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/18 04:33 PM
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It is very obvious that you do not have much experience with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/18 04:19 PM
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Having a specific and clear-cut definition of a behavior as “good” is bias. It’s no different from morality. You have an idea, a definition, in your own head of what is “good” and anything you see that doesn’t match that must be “not good”. By definition, there is no right or good way to be assertive - it is an honest, mindful statement of thoughts and feelings; there is no judgement involved. I can appreciate that perhaps you don’t work in a company that has a culture of asking for / giving fee…
/r/TheRedPill15/09/18 02:29 PM
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It's difficult to understand exactly what you mean without direct examples but I can only say: of course women "assertiveness" is going to look different to men's "assertiveness". Wouldn't you agree that the problem is with either gender believing their way is the right and only way? There was that study that showed assertiveness coming from a man = respect and exactly the same coming from a woman = bitch. Are you open to the "bull-dozing social barriers" that you see in women being a result of …
/r/TheRedPill15/09/18 01:53 PM
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here isn't a narcissistic headspace where we have to 'dominate' to get off and consider our partner is or isn't good because we offload the responsibility to her. I hope this doesn't come across as a snarky tone; I'm genuinely interested in your comment. I agree that feminists project dominance/power that they experience sexually onto men, however it does seem that men are also attracted to such a dynamic. How do you explain that in all cases, men extremely prefer submissive women and are absolu…
/r/TheRedPill15/09/18 12:31 PM
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Bad carbs are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 08:21 PM
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How was the economy built in women's favour?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 05:38 PM
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Stress is highly subjective in the first place. Also, it's largely affected by how confident/capable/in-control one feels. Potentially, SAHM's have less opportunities to increase self-efficacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 04:05 PM
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They don't value men & they're in possession of an inflated sense of self-worth. These sound like the subjective judgements of bitter men who spat their dummies that girls would rather wash their hair on their Friday night than spend it with them. They weren't attracted, that's the fact. You can navel-gaze on that all you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 03:54 PM
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Guys on average have it harder Maybe guys on average do have it harder, except that wasn't your argument. Your argument was "women don't value men that aren't on paper as attractive to them they have an inflated sense of themselves so they refuse to choose certain partners." And you're absolutely right in the What: "women don't value men". It's the Why that is questionable: "they have an inflated sense of themselves so they refuse to choose certain partners". This is 2018. People are demanding t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 03:38 PM
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You didn't say it was because of women but you implied that it was for women. by the economy that often built in women's favor
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 03:32 PM
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You are projecting so hard. There are plenty of 20 year-old virgin fat girls too that men overlook all the time. I promise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 03:26 PM
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I read so many threads that you participate in, just like this one. It’s incredibly ironic and hilarious in a sad way because you rant about women who speak indirectly without the self-awareness to realize that you are recognizing in others what you are deeply familiar with in yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 10:14 AM
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You're the one that mentioned egos and ids as if you knew anything about them, you pseudo-intellectual. explained how I am wrong Women do have a raging war on their psyche. SO DO MEN. Women's conscious instincts are in constant conflict with their unconscious. SO ARE MENS. Women do struggle with being aware and assertive enough to express their needs. SO DO MEN. We all have the exact same base instincts. Gender distinguishes how we express those in our current culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 01:31 PM
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Or that the only way men can get sex is by oppressing women and now the playing field is just level. Why do you think they invented Marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 05:09 AM
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Don’t talk about egos and ids if you don’t know anything about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 04:59 AM
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The conflict is not nearly as intense You make out like there is one conflict when they occur infinitely. Without the ability to kill or fuck whoever we want to, we're all going to be somewhat perpetually miserable. From a psychological perspective, it's actually men that have a greater conflict as in development, they endure what women don't have to: realising that they are something different from their mother. This leads to an innate fragility in masculinity. The "male psyche" is predisposed …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 08:06 PM
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Science is pretty straightforward Sorry, but I disagree. It's all still all very unknown as to how much is nurture and how much is nature. Regardless, I don't think people are entirely against the evidence itself. I think they are against what people do with that evidence. It's a moral debate; should women be discriminated against because men are better at visualising 3D objects?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 07:28 PM
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Each woman has a war raging inside her psyche So does every man. At least do Freud the service and be honest about it. BOTH men and women are destined to discontentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 06:55 PM
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Because they have unattractive attributes that outweigh the attractive. Because in the market, they aren’t worth as much as what they think they are; hot girls have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 10:49 AM
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Well personally, I think respect has two meanings to people: The above definition, which, like you said, is more about holistic kindness and courtesy towards others I would argue the "masculine" definition, which is respect for competence, earned through skill For the second definition, in our current culture, I don't think men have much reason to respect most women. Though, I also don't think that women have much reason to respect most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 07:39 PM
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Respect. Noun. Due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 07:32 PM
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there is no empirical evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 12:04 PM
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How.. how does that make sense? They can be easily refuted, there is no empirical evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 10:06 AM
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They aren't exactly able to proven true either. Plenty of regarded criticisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 09:05 AM
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It's not my personal argument; I am just explaining it since you asked as to why it's relevant in the modern SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 01:49 AM
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"Female solipsism" is based on evolutionary psych; that it's a base animal instinct that cannot be overridden "logically". Whether a woman has children or not, evo-psych would argue that she is still as solipsistic as if she did, as it's an inherent part of a woman's biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 12:33 AM
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Yeah, you’re right actually; “average” was exaggerated. For your sake, I hope your friend is dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 10:36 PM
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The genes haven’t changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 10:15 PM
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While I agree that that is not necessarily offensive, it is an argument that can be easily refuted by any woman with an average IQ. I’m not sure it’s going to help your case, basically. You will still end up in a debate with your friend, just for a different reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 10:11 PM
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they found it cute Men should not consider this a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 05:03 PM
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How is it different? The German childcare system seems like it's completely set up for women to have both children and return to work..?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 04:25 PM
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I'm American. Well, that explains it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 04:22 PM
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It's extremely unfortunate. It's not though. It's unfortunate to you because you have a value system that is different to others (more traditional). Do whatever you want and find someone who wants to do that too and stop being a judgmental/intolerant bore to everyone else in the meantime. You're European for christ's sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 03:44 PM
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In general, I agree but it is a “problem” for people who don’t have the same personal values.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 03:10 PM
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Because many people in the world are valuing individualism over traditional values; it’s a symptom of current (Western) culture. Those women don’t want to be with a man they aren’t genuinely blown away by, they’d rather die alone. And this is actually the right mindset; there is absolutely no benefit to dating a guy she is lukewarm about as it will only end badly for both of them. Many people are children of divorce and are trying to avoid repeating their parents' mistakes. Plus, women evaluate …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:28 AM
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Arguably, it’s actually you who doesn’t get it. Women aren’t men; they don’t construct their lives around attracting men. A job is a sense of purpose for some people, it’s validation, and if it’s in the field that they studied in, of course they are going to be interested in it enough to actually enjoy the fulfillment of deep work. So when such a woman goes to date, she is evaluating men that are just as good as her, by her own subjective standards. If she’s ambitious, which most “career women” …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 10:12 AM
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Well, respectfully, telling someone as to how their wife should be responding to them is disingenuous considering that you have limited LTR experience yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 08:13 PM
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Firstly, I'm not American, I live in Europe too. Secondly, your comments here and elsewhere in this thread make it seem like you don't have a lot of experience, specifically in LTR's with one dedicated partner where you're more sensitive to each other's emotional and mental states. As much as men here like to daydream about 17 year-olds being sexual nirvana, every woman's body is in a constant state of flux. Wanting and having multiple orgasms in a session has nothing to do with her health, age …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 06:00 PM
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It comes across that you don't have a lot of experience with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 05:31 PM
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Here is the empirical evidence. Do.. do you even know what "empirical evidence" means? 27 girls on Tinder are representative of the entire population of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 11:25 PM
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I agree; I'm not saying to try to stop sex. I'm saying to try to stop pregnancies, which occur because 1. abortions are inaccessible, expensive, and still stigmatized and 2. there are no real financial or social repercussions for single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 09:46 PM
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"not just" means that there are multiple reasons as to why women don't approach, of which I gave you 2 additional reasons. Providing a link to support your own point is confirmation bias. who lack the confidence to approach men. It's not confidence, it's desire. And you're absolutely right in thinking that men should do a better job of filtering for this. She was an extremely rare example. We don't care about rare examples; they're outliers. Your title is "most men" and "women". you can't stand …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 03:44 PM
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we all would like a world where only people who can afford to raise kids without taxpayer support would do so. I don't have all the answers but I do think we would all be infinitely better off if we acknowledged that, like you said, we all agree on the ideal outcome. If everyone can get on the same page of that the key problem is that we're trying to solve for, I believe there would be multiple solutions that would each have their own trade-offs. But how do you propose preventing poor women from…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 03:26 PM
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That's how you think it should be. Yes, based on the data of what correlates to mentally stable and happy children. And that's how you get dead bedrooms. See: Melania Trump. Do you want children or do you want passionate sex? Pick one. Because men who aren't rich won't get laid. Men who aren't rich won't have children. They will get laid by the poor women who can't have children either. It would actually incentivize these men/women to work and learn to save so that they become rich enough to aff…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 02:16 PM
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Single mothers being left hanging out to dry is the point; having children will be limited to the rich and stable couples who can afford it, which is exactly how it should be. Based on the data of children raised in poor single-parent homes and how those effects cascade out socially, a poor single mother having children is more terrifying and evil than limiting who is eligible for what should be an earned privilege based on income. "Gold diggers" is one way of framing that women, above all else,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 01:52 PM
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It's not just about women being scared of being rejected. It's more that: Some men believe that women who approach are desperate A man approaching is an indicator of the confidence that women filter men for Whether you like it or not, men like you (who don't approach) are being filtered out (correctly).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 01:33 PM
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You don't know enough about psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 01:23 PM
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He’s projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 09:47 AM
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Serious question but why do men get married then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 03:41 AM
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BS. There have been plenty of discussions on PPD that show this. Most men will choose the HB10 over the HB6.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 03:33 AM
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They get status from men who see him with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 04:09 PM
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Why do you assume this is a "feminine tendency" when men do this too, if not even more. All the data shows that men value status more than women, which is why they will pick HB10 as a trophy over the HB6 that they actually like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 10:56 AM
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AMALT
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 10:50 AM
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Ideal for men, you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 08:26 PM
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You're a normie. It's really okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 02:59 AM
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that must contain all the goods Who said it wouldn't contain "all the goods"? You were arguing that it must be "the best".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:43 PM
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disgusting or unsettling behavior The fact that you believe an average club to be anything like a festival says more about you than anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:33 PM
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raised 3 generations of women with this false belief that men want an accomplished woman with degrees and not a homemaker. This is simply not true. Feminism raised women to, like TRP, prepare for the worst; prepare for a life where you are not financially dependant on a man because when things go wrong, and things will go wrong, it won't hurt as much. The problem is not women having careers; the problem is what women give up in their personality to maintain a career. The solution isn't for women…
/r/RedPillWomen21/08/18 06:33 AM
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I assume the ones that do are in the minority and are "degenerate". Do you know that there is a huge electronic scene where people go out purely for the music? "degenerate" is your own subjective judgement because you have a different value system to say, people that like DJs. Just say that it's not your scene; someone isn't morally corrupt because they go to a club.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 05:17 AM
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It's not the "male mind" it's his mind specifically.
/r/RedPillWomen17/08/18 02:34 PM
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If she's not into me, that's fine, but then I'd like her to stop wasting my time so I can go find someone who is. Ironic considering you said you ghost people.
/r/RedPillWomen17/08/18 01:29 PM
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Bald and or short guys just need to get jacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 01:09 PM
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Another woman disagreeing here. I'd take Christian Bale any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 12:46 PM
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There is no hard truth. Truth is subjective; relative to perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 12:37 PM
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His age definitely had an impact on what I admired about him but further into the relationship. He is just a physically attractive guy and we had very similar / unique interests in spirituality, psychology etc. When I stayed at his place for the first time, I think we'd already been dating for 1-2 months, I remember being very conscious of the age then. He had a lot of nice things, like an established adult, which was different to my 2 previous LTR's with guys my age. He broke up with me actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 01:58 PM
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I was 20 and my ex was 36. I got a LOT of flack for it. We were together for 5 years though so they kinda caught on that it was serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 07:19 AM
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It actually is flawed. It goes the other way. Happy men get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 08:38 PM
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You are purposefully being obtuse to avoid addressing it. It's not about being mean, it harms men who start living from a state of paranoia instead of empowerment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 01:25 PM
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I acknowledge and accept that, like everyone else, I am not perfect. From an attraction standpoint, I wholeheartedly agree with TRP; it is impossible for me to be attracted to and submit to a man that I do not respect, which is (for me) earned through displays of competence. I am not "keeping betas in the dark" by stating that every human being has the potential to hurt someone. My comment was intended to address the expectations that people have of their lives: the image of a perfect relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 07:06 AM
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I am not trying to "turn around" that it's a man's fault if his girlfriend cheats. I am trying to "turn around" yours and TRP's loaded language, which ascribes human nature to women only. Both men and women have the propensity to hurt other people in a multitude of ways. Like you agreed, "all relationships are like that", and yet that is not the story that gets told to helpless men who are trying to improve their lives. They get fed a destructive group-think narrative that by definition, absolve…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:54 AM
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Because women are, on average, more empathetic and consider that there are sides other than their own. Coupled with them also being, on average, less assertive for their own opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:19 AM
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When spouses do something that I think is loving, I feel love. When motivational speakers say something that I think is motivating, I feel motivation. But those people are not responsible for those feelings, they didn't cause those. They caused an idea, a thought, which I internally judged on my own value system. That's why love languages is a thing; people have their own thoughts/ideas on what love is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:06 AM
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People don’t make people feel anything. No one causes someone else’s feelings. They are internal and follow our own thoughts. So stop trying to “make a woman feel good” and start making yourself feel good. Ironically, you’ll be a lot more attractive to women who already feel good too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 08:57 PM
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How does anything I said communicate that? Please enlighten me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 08:50 PM
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It’s not the woman’s point of view. A responsible person accepts that it is the dynamic between 2 people that breaks down, which they totally had a part in. That’s how you actually learn something for next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 08:19 PM
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Semantics.. In that case, why not just say “All Relationships Are Like That”? Aren’t TRP all about accepting “responsibility”?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 07:57 PM
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Even if AWALT were true, which is a claim that has absolutely zero empirical evidence, I challenge as to why it matters. We have constructed an image of human relationships that is absolutely impossible to achieve. We literally have relationships on a pedestal. Why try to contort reality to meet the expectations in your head? This is what leads to suffering. Everything has inherent risk in life. Instead of walling yourself off from awareness, experience, and connection, why don't you try to stre…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 05:26 AM
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Just the way you both described women as swapping in and out of relationships like that. It doesn’t sound anything like a stable relationship or a woman even capable of one. It sounds like both of you are attracted to a very specific and I would even argue, somewhat rare, woman. I can kind of relate to being single and my tastes in men changing as my hobbies/interests changed over time but in an LTR I didn’t even think of things like that. It just sounds like she wasn’t very committed to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 07:17 PM
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Have either of you ever committed to a woman? It’s doesn’t sound like it TBH.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 06:59 PM
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I need a ketamine bf :(
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 06:38 PM
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When I said that I "like that I can be playful, cute, childish", I meant in a relationship. I don't want to be treated like a literal child in the way that TRP prescribes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 05:40 AM
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I agree that we get more sympathy today but it's for a couple of reasons: Women ask for more sympathy. Men brood internally or on forums like Reddit instead of actually expressing themselves in a way that causes other people to care (aka being vulnerable). Just like the men who ask/get/need sympathy, sympathy itself implies weakness in our culture. The fact that women get more sympathy is at the expense of true respect. We are treated as inferior, emotional, and babied, just like you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 07:18 PM
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I disagree. I don't think someone has to be serious 100% of the time to be taken seriously; men aren't 100% stoic all the time either and yet they are afforded more respect than women (I'm thinking specifically of work situations here).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 07:01 PM
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We get babied by men because they want to fuck us. Hardly worth celebrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 06:55 PM
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Just tell him to get a sleeve of tattoos or a motorbike.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 05:20 PM
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2 of my LTR's were multi-millionaires and they were both ridiculously frugal. I have no idea how girls get given Gucci handbags or flown to the Caribbean from guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 05:09 PM
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I like being a woman because of the lightness that comes with it. I like that I can be playful, cute, childish, and not have to always hold up a stoic mask or repress my energy. I dislike being a woman because of the expectations, mostly from men; that at 28, I'm apparently a damaged person because I'm not married with children yet; that I'm a slut because I have a tattoo; that I'm a bitch because I'm assertive; and mostly that I frequently feel that I'm not being truly listened to; that I can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 04:49 PM
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That's a facade. We're just scared of making decisions based on our feels but we have as many as anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 03:35 PM
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I think less rare than girl INTP's. That's why you should help us out equally haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 12:44 PM
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It sucks there's hardly any female INTPs. Only like 2% of women are of my own personality type. :( You should date the female ENTJ's instead :)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 11:54 AM
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He doesn't have game He doesn't meet enough women The women he does meet have character flaws of their own that are attracted to men who replicate their childhood trauma (aka "no spark/chemistry") He's vanilla and girls would rather be single and keep waiting than "settle"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 09:00 AM
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What are the choices that you believe are shown to make women happier? What are the lifestyle choices that are "highly correlated" with decreased female happiness? The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness study even states that the decline is for all women: finding that the relative decline in women’s well-being is ubiquitous, and holds for both working and stay-at-home mothers, for those married and divorced, for the old and the young, and across the education distribution. Like I said in anot…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 09:13 PM
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That's true. But what are you proposing women to do? The fact of the matter is that women are increasingly deciding they'd rather opt out of having children entirely than the alternative (choosing a guy they aren't attracted to). Honestly, that's probably going to be me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 08:34 PM
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Only factors that turned out to be universally, widely or commonly considered parameters of attractiveness were included. Thus for example many personality traits were left out Please explain to me further as to why you left personality traits out? Better yet, please explain to me as to how you believe people acquire money, BMI, education, possessions, disease, and so on, without specific personality traits? Why is this so hard to understand? "Success" and "attractiveness" are the by-products of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 08:21 PM
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I thought it was the other way? Cognition causes emotions, which is the basis for CBT.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 08:14 PM
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Do you think that women need to be conditioned for it? IME 90% of women want to be a mother but it is entirely dependant on finding a man willing to be a father.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 07:57 PM
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That's possible. I'm happily single right now but all my LTR's were high betas, which is by far my preference anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 07:50 PM
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out of vogue for women That might be true but I have never, never heard it nor expected to outright hear it from a man that they "want to a good husband and father". I don't believe 80% of men lean on this at all; they usually say something like "continue my bloodline" or simply "I don't want to die alone". Ironically, all the benefits without any of the responsibility...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 07:41 PM
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"The solution" to what, exactly? Happiness? Is that your main point? What makes women happy? Like almost every prophet, poet, and philosopher, before you, I might pose that "the solution" to happiness is very simple: be satisfied with what you already have instead of getting more of what you want. The crucial point is that affluence magnifies expectations. Add mass media, porn, the advertising industry, and instagram on top of that, and what do you get? Not just women, but people, with psyches p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 07:33 PM
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The median woman should just work on being in shape and being a good person to be around, who will make a good wife and mother. The median man should just work on being in shape and being a good (read: not boring) person to be around, who will make a good husband and father.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 07:12 PM
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What is a slut to you? Why do you believe some girls are that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 06:13 PM
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because i actually cry all day over movies and music, but not in emergency or stressful life situations I'm exactly like this too. Is it a xNTJ thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 05:05 PM
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Women don't care about "getting sex". We care about commitment, which no, you don't just get for existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 04:57 PM
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This describes it perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 01:12 PM
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If a woman reacted like that, we'd tell her something similar. It's not sexist at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 01:07 PM
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From my experience, I don't believe I can genuinely connect with anyone who can't be open emotionally. I am not very good at expressing emotions myself and have done a lot of therapy to try to improve this. The men that I have loved the most, being the most attracted to, trusted, and adored, were all able to express their feelings and thoughts in a way that still completely inspires me. I have seen all my LTR's cry and I don't believe it made me feel anything other than the strong connection tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 12:33 PM
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Is it really an exception, though? 75% of mothers work full-time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 04:53 PM
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that they can have a family and a high flying career. That's their lie If you agree that women can achieve this, why did you say it's a lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 09:35 AM
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Plenty of women do have it all though. I’m not saying it makes anyone happier, but I personally know a lot of girls who work full-time and are married with children, my sister being one of them. So for everyone that says “women can’t have it all”, there are women asking “well, why do those women have it all?”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 08:52 PM
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Look, there are two equally possible options here: You haven't been overt enough about your romantic interest in him and now he is unsure. He was only ever lukewarm about you from the start and the date (and subsequent times together) have confirmed that you're best as friends. In either case, I don't think you should initiate any kind of talk because frankly, you're nowhere near a point that warrants it; you haven't hooked up yet, so by all technical standards, you are just friends and there is…
/r/RedPillWomen05/08/18 07:10 AM
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My comment here is to address the actual points you made. They get way more support than men What do you believe is the reason as to women get more support now than men? Where did the gender narrative of providing more support for women come from? Men put their bodies on the line to protect women Why do men do this? From a woman's perspective, we aren't asking for men's protection; we want an objective State to protect all of us. And while it's not perfect, that is what we basically have now. Hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 05:49 AM
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I didn't explain my point very in my last comment, sorry. Read this comment from the linked post: "I am not “dismissive” of their personal experiences. I am “dismissive” of their extrapolations to the entire female population and their inaccuracies when it comes to “female nature”. OP do you agree with women who say all men are dangerous, violent users, because they have personal experience to back it up?" This is how a lot of women feel. Men don't actually listen to us. They "look at what we do…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 05:38 AM
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Do you feel disrespected by men? Do you feel resentment towards men? Has a relationship made your life tangibly better or happier?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 05:58 AM
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How about both sides share some empathy and gain together? That is exactly what I'm trying to get to. Your comment here completely dismissed what I said - did you read the post it linked to to understand its context? This is why so many people on PPD aren't empathetic - because everyone uses every comment as an opportunity to win. Please just step out of that for a moment. I'm not fighting. I don't believe I am a snowflake in saying that I care about men. As a woman, I can be completely empathet…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 05:31 AM
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Yeah, honestly you are right. I see how people's experiences are invalidated. I don't know if that's just a PPD thing as I've experienced similar behavior on other sub. Perhaps with the internet being impersonal, people show less care. I can appreciate that your post intended to express your feelings of being dismissed but did you actually read the comments from women? You have to be prepared to give to receive. Are you willing to be empathetic to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 08:43 PM
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ba dum tish!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 08:25 PM
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But surely you can understand that PPD is somewhat of a simulation. It's literally a debate. I don't believe people would be like this entirely IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 08:11 PM
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Respectfully, we're on a debate sub; I don't believe most of us here would be anything other than empathetic in real life. And you're right, it's no excuse, and maybe we should all just be a little more compassionate to each other. I think so many here harbour various levels of resentment, anger, and bitterness inside, that PPD becomes the outlet. So, as a woman, while I can't ever understand what it's like to be a man, I am empathetic. Feelings, wants, needs are universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 08:06 PM
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How does that make sense? Why would anyone argue or express an opinion that they don't share themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 07:54 PM
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I think it's just easier to be less empathetic and critical when you're online and not actually looking at the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 07:50 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, in what way(s) were you insecure?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 07:41 PM
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That all suffering is caused by expectations that differ from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 07:40 PM
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.. What? Please explain, none of that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 04:58 PM
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Why the hell are women only ever virgins or riding the cock carousel? There are plenty of women who spend their whole life in solid LTR's with no men in between. The women who are exclusively into casual sex are such a small minority that I have no idea why they are discussed as the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 02:53 PM
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I agree with you that they are two different words with two different meanings. However, I disagree with you on how "loyalty" is used to describe women's "fidelity" but somehow men are absolved of it. If a woman is disloyal for sleeping with another man, why isn't a man equally disloyal for sleeping with another woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 05:31 AM
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seen a woman be truly, unconditionaly loyal What would this look like to you? What defines it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 05:22 AM
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Disagree. Look at the history of the word loyalty itself, it has a connotation of legality. While it is a frequent theme in military allegiance, it has always shown up in romantic depictions too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 05:21 AM
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Rightttt.. you mean they're two different words and concepts for men. All we hear about on TRP is how disloyal women are for "cheating" on a man that won't even exclusively commit in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 05:09 AM
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"yes man" is more valuable Define what makes one "valuable" here. To me, he's a doormat. If everyone just mirrored and agreed with everyone else, how would anyone grow?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 05:06 AM
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I don't know. Honestly, it sounds like the girl just sucks at adult communication. Who the hell ghosts a 5 year LTR?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:35 PM
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Uhh.. did you talk about it with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:22 PM
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I'm not buying a word of it. NAWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 12:16 PM
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Dude, I say this with all respect: I believe your life would dramatically improve if you went to a therapist a few times. Every feeling that you have comes from your own thoughts and yours are in an anxious disarray due to the story you keep telling yourself about your past experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 10:07 AM
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I didn't say anything about you having to feel flattered, blessed, or even lucky. What I was implying, is that life is always of things that make us happy and things that make us sad. You can't control other people, and you can't control life, but you can control yourself and your outlook on your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 09:34 AM
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wasted Yeah, there's your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 09:21 AM
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Let's assume the worst possible case scenario occurs and your girlfriend cheats on you. What would happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 09:10 AM
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dedicate more hours of her day and night towards work How is a single woman supposed to pay her bills if she doesn't work?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 08:56 AM
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very limited and reserved to the top of the top Data show the opposite. Highly educated, wealthy people are opting out of children compared to the poor/lower class.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 08:46 AM
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career woman Serious question: how is "career" even defined? Doesn't everyone have a job these days? What is the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 07:04 PM
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Society needs to change what it teaches young girls and it should be made easier to have children younger and have a career later. Really? Why wouldn't you teach young girls that your self-esteem and womanhood doesn't and shouldn't depend on whether you have children. We need to curb our population and it's a terrible idea to have a child with a "barely good enough" guy that you're most likely going to divorce later. It's endless discontentment for each generation of children who has to live thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 07:00 PM
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women like successful, powerful men Is it this though? I mean, I feel that women are attracted to the traits of "masculinity", which just generally correlate to success. This is why STEM lords are single, despite being on their 300k Google salary. It's also why starving artist Chad has his perpetual harem. If a girl is ambitious, values hard-work and discipline, she's going to value that in other people too, especially a man who she intends to spend her life with. No one is asking for bank accou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 06:42 PM
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You can avoid being cheated on and dumped by vetting women better before LTR'ing them, like what TRP prescribes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 04:13 PM
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People get very much hurt by people. Emotional resilience is a trait that can be developed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 01:48 PM
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Regardless of which one you are, you sound jaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 01:03 PM
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Guys do get spontaneously horny and would indeed be quite happy to just choose a girl based only on how she looks to have sex with. I.. I think women would do this too if they weren't slut-shamed. I mean, today single women do do that (aka tinder).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 02:26 PM
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What do you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 01:45 PM
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I think they can be friends but it requires a certain type of guy. My guy friends are mostly ex-work colleagues but an ex too. I would describe them all as high betas: successful, smart, hard-working but also empathetic, compassionate, more sensitive / creative types. I'd bet they all register very high in openness from the Big 5. They're probably all feeler types in mbti. My ex has spoken to me about it before, feeling the sexual attraction, but just having to control it for the friendship and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 01:00 PM
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News flash: the traits that make you terrible boyfriend material most likely make you a terrible friend and child too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 05:02 AM
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Define what makes a girl "perfect" to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 12:43 PM
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it takes perfect aesthetics to create attraction in women Complete BS that you tell yourself because you're too damn lazy to lift some weights, dress your age, and learn how to be someone that anyone wants to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 12:37 PM
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Why should we appreciate him? For what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 12:14 PM
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Yes it is. Men don't hold women to the same standards that they hold men, purely because they want to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 07:58 AM
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Men need to take women off of their dreamy pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 07:50 AM
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What you actually do in your life is a pretty damn accurate representation of your true character. Lots of people struggle with objectively evaluating themselves; people who don't look after their body and display a constantly shitty negative attitude to the world, actually believe themselves to be "good-hearted" and "deserving" of people's love and respect. It's a cognitive distortion that only leads to more suffering. Being confident, not giving a fuck, and being physically attractive (maximis…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 07:36 AM
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this is crap This is a debate. Care to explain why?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 04:05 AM
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But not an "actual relationship" apparently?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 03:56 PM
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Considering that my first sentence is that women are on a pedestal, I am bewildered as to why you think I am arguing the opposite. Women don't have power, nor value, nor superiority; These are concoctions of man's wild imagination. Feelings follow thoughts. The longer men think that they are incomplete, the more they are at the mercy of their own fabrication. Women are attracted to the men who know that they themselves are already whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 02:52 PM
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Then redefine what makes something “worth it” that can actually exist within this reality, or suffer endlessly. It’s your choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 01:04 PM
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Most women don't really like being married I was with you until this. Whether women actually like being married or not, they certainly like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 11:12 AM
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Men need to take women off of their dreamy pedestal. You don't even need to look that deeply at history, art, mythology, to see men's narrative of "femininity" as an explanation, perhaps even consolement, for the feelings that they don't understand, can't control, and actually even fear inside of themselves. Women are not the pure Madonna, nor the tainted whore; like men, like humans, they are complex with endless possibilities to be at any time, both and neither. You believe a woman is wonderfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 10:50 AM
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Isn't it more likely that weight is a result of over-eating, which is itself a result of lower self-esteem? The high n-count girls I know just really get off on any form of male attention and validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 05:18 AM
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I didn't say that men never get used or never get discarded/hurt in the same way..? Jesus, why does everything have to be a war? A girl says it feels gross to be used, someone asks why? I say it's because sex is an intimate thing to share. At what point did I negate men ever being used in a similar way?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 06:56 PM
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Because a girl has shared herself intimately with someone who never calls her again, probably X dates in too, so there was some kind of relationship or trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:40 PM
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I feel like we agree with each other? Before OP deleted it, this post was arguing that women are only attracted to "strength" in the form of criminals and bad-boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:03 PM
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Sure, but as a woman, regardless of what you eat, you actually lose something, whereas men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 01:06 PM
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Oxytocin is one helluva drug.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 12:50 PM
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A man interested in using an average woman as a cum dumpster is hardly a "prospect".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 12:48 PM
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I disagree. Look at all the women attracted to day-dreamy artist / sensitive folk-singer types. My ex runs his own multi-million dollar business and drives a vintage Porsche. He also meditates, cries a lot, and is perpetually on some form of diet to address things like "candida" and "toxins". I don't think it's "perceived strength" that women are attracted to really, rather that it might be "displays of competence".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 12:41 PM
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Honestly, it just sounds like you're part of the 50% that have an anxious/avoidant attachment style.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 12:21 PM
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Hi! Yes, I have. There are plenty of men on there too. Respectfully, you're a man. Your instagram sample is likely filtered to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:01 AM
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Respectfully, you’re 21. Your sample is likely filtered to 21 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 04:52 AM
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And what about sex, companionship, intimacy, love? Do you feel that you're missing out on a critical part of being human?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 08:08 PM
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Why don't you just get a vasectomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 04:39 PM
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I don't think you understand basic statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 04:29 PM
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Oh God, don't be so dramatic. Like I said, not every girl is going to do that, just some who value other things in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 03:08 PM
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Right?!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 02:01 PM
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Posts like yours reaffirm my decision to go MGTOW Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 01:42 PM
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I think my main point is that Chad is only preferable up until a certain point - when the relationship switches to taxing her emotionally more than what it is fulfilling her physically. Knowing he's not going to commit, she would move on. Whether she "keeps" Chad on the side while trying to find a new guy really depends on the girl, but personally I wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 09:47 AM
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Sure, I didn't deny that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 09:41 AM
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Maybe it's because most women are genuinely pretty content being single these days? I mean, I have a job that I love, friends, family, hobbies, a life. Yes, I love sex and would love a relationship, but what's the point in dating or marrying someone that I'm luke-warm about? I'd rather just be single. And no, I don't believe girls would rather be #10 of a Chad. I believe that in the early stages of a relationship with a guy like that, girls just have hope that they are in a process of eventually…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 07:42 AM
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I agree. And taking comments out of context, not reading their history, and making accusatory claims is just as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 04:30 PM
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Please read the comments in this thread that I was responding to. that if a male friend makes his move on his female friend, is rejected, and then moves on he is a Very Bad Man who was never a Real Friend in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 05:02 PM
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It’s in the title..?!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:14 PM
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and we stayed friends for years after. Why would there be a question of legitimacy when you stayed friends after? We are talking about when they are friends for years, the guy asks her out, she says no, and he goes no contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:54 PM
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It would be great if you actually read my comments before you decided to use them as an opportunity to express your pent-up resentment against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:52 PM
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I don't think you're being an asshole for refusing again. I would actually respect that a lot. On her side, what's going on, is that she probably felt that enough time had passed for you to "cool off" on wanting to fuck her and that you could be friends now. Like I said in this thread somewhere else, it's perfectly capable for women to compartmentalize guys into the "not at all sexual" box and be friends with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:12 AM
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Accidently deleted my comment :( Yes, he's too boyish for my liking. He's like 23 year old Chad or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:07 AM
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Hence why I said of any gender. And no, it's not about being unattractive. It's using elements of the friendship as expectation/leverage for a sexual relationship. Women would prefer men to be direct with their intentions, yes. Ironic considering that men go on about how direct they believe themselves to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:05 AM
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Please elude me on what constitutes a friendship? a lot of male female “friendships” the women generally benefit more and rarely put as much energy into maintaining the friendship as the male does. Complete opposite in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:01 AM
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I am not going to stick up for bitchy girls, period. If he made a move after years and was open about his feelings and she wasn't interested, she should just distance herself. The problem is that these guys use the years of friendship as expectation for a relationship. "All those times I listened to you etc". It's leverage. Surely you can see her side too - losing anyone that you've known for years always sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:53 AM
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Firstly, I have fairly "masculine" interests that my girlfriends don't have and don't enjoy talking about. Secondly, I am interested broadly in people and hearing a man's viewpoint on things like relationships, dating etc, is always interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:48 AM
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He looks too Chaddy, and not the good kind of Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:14 AM
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Red - Not attractive to me Red - Conventionally attractive but not at all my type Red - Not attractive to me Edit: I'm a 7.5
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 08:06 PM
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attention and validation. These are specific words that carry negative connotations, alluding to moral judgment. Maybe they just want his friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:56 PM
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Yay! FWIW meditation really helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:39 PM
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I'm an Australia, living in Germany, working for an American startup :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:37 PM
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We have super rigid gender roles in America In the mid-west? I mean, I work for a company in California so I'm frequently there, and I have guy friends there too. Maybe it's just my social circles being around electronic music..
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:36 PM
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So why frame it like that? Perception is just a narrative that we are ourselves are writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:33 PM
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I'm in Germany and have several guy friends. Most of them have girlfriends who I'm also friends with but some just have similar interests to me (music, lifting, etc). I mean, we talk about our jobs and family and shit, so it's hardly any different to my girl friends, just less "girly" and intimate. There are then guys on the peripheral who I would call "acquaintances" - guys who like my posts on instagram or whatever but who I have no intention of sleeping with or dating. They are not "friends" …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:32 PM
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"ignore your feelings," Dude, ignoring feelings causes them to boil and eventually explode. Why don't you just try being open about them as you're aware of them? They are just feelings; they come and go. They are not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:26 PM
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Right? Is it a geography thing? I'm in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:21 PM
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But what I have never ever seen so far were guys who only wanted to use a girl for sex, didn't take no for an answer, and when they finally accepted the rejection, immediately blew up in her face - all while insisting that they were supreme gentlemen. Uhh.. you're a man. How the hell would you have seen this exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:19 PM
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Read my earlier comment in this thread: Remember that time I helped you move your apartment? Remember that cake I baked you for your birthday? Remember all those youtube songs I shared with you? Remember when I gave you advice on fucking tinder girls? Did all of this mean nothing? I have guy friends who I have the above relationship with. It's not "colleagues" and it's not "acquaintances". Two of the guys I work with are in my close social circle and are genuine friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:16 PM
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Friend. Noun. A person with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically one exclusive of sexual or family relations. So then shouldn't another word be used? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:12 PM
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Again, the world ain't so black and white. Men can be friends with women with no sexual pretense; maybe they are in the same social circle, maybe they work together, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:08 PM
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ignore my feelings, bottle them up, and pretend everything's alright when it fucking wasn't I think if you said this to her, she would completely understand the separation (at least I would).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:00 PM
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does this make them an asshole It doesn't make them an asshole but it makes them disingenuous. For example, take a girl who is sleeping with a guy without exclusivity, but actually wants a relationship with him. She is disingenuous for not being honest and assertive about her feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:54 PM
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If one person isn't getting what they want or need, they're probably going to leave. Yes, but apparently you haven't been getting what you want or need for years? By being my friend, you lead me on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:51 PM
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They want his attention and validation. It's not always as calculated as that. Maybe they just want his friendship - to talk, share opinions, argue about politics, things you don't always get to do with girl friends etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:48 PM
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You will never be a friend to a guy in the same way another guy will be. Like I already said, it doesn't have to be the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:42 PM
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I responded to your question. Are you purposefully being obtuse? If we have been friends for years, that means we've probably shared a bunch of experiences together. To hear that that's all worth throwing away, just because I'm not attracted to you, would be disappointing. It doesn't make you a "Bad Man", but I'd certainly be sad about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:21 PM
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It's creepy to act as though you're fine and dandy with someone and then bitch about them behind their back. Of any gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:15 PM
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Remember that time I helped you move your apartment? Remember that cake I baked you for your birthday? Remember all those youtube songs I shared with you? Remember when I gave you advice on fucking tinder girls? Did all of this mean nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:13 PM
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he is a Very Bad Man who was never a Real Friend in the first place. In the cases I have read about that, it's because they were friends for years before he made a move.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:06 PM
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will string a guy along This is what it looks like to men but I'd argue that it's rare that the girl is intentionally doing that. We don't think like men; we are perfectly capable of being your friend without wanting anything sexual or romantic. For us, spending time with a guy can have absolutely no difference to spending time with a girl friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:05 PM
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whom feminist still call a creep Again, that's not the guy that feminists are calling a creep. When he is rejected, hangs around and respects our boundary, but says shit about us behind our backs because he harbors resentment, that is creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:00 PM
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Your little black and white world is devoid of the multitude of gray in the middle. Maybe my guy friends have girlfriends who I am also friends with. Maybe they are guys that I work with or have worked with. Maybe they are an ex. Maybe they are family friends that I grew up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:57 PM
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initiates friendship to secure a relationship, As soon as I clearly state that I am not interested in a relationship with him, I expect him to either be my friend or to leave. In the case of continuing to be my friend, I expect that all romantic or sexual notions are off-bounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:48 PM
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Men and women are not capable of being friends in the same way they are with their own sex. It doesn't have to be the same way. If you can't be friends with a girl, then don't be, but plenty of men are perfectly able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:44 PM
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what if he was not trying to fuck you but wanting a relationship with you What part of "we are not romantically interested or attracted" do you not understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:32 PM
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The NiceGuy I'm talking about is the socially awkward guy that does not have any charisma, and uses kindness as a way to get a woman to notice him. This is the type of guy I am talking about. This is not the NiceGuy that women are talking about. We are talking about guys who pretend to be our "friends" when they are actually just trying to fuck us. We are talking about the guys who, even when we directly say that we are not romantically interested or attracted, will say that they want to be our …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:26 PM
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Women are allowed to have a group identity and celebrate women as a whole, Women were given a group identity by men when they were demeaned as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:08 PM
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You looked up women in construction to prove a point of women "building". Can you honestly say that Sales & Office supports "building"? And maybes don’t prove anything, right? I completely agree that maybes don't prove anything. But how is your maybe any different? You have demonstrated clearly that when women say "pay gap", they are actually insinuating that women are prejudiced against for their gender and ultimately paid less. Maybe it's their gender. Maybe it's that they just aren't as compe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:57 PM
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Sales usually has a base salary with commissions on top, so salaries can vary wildly. If you sell more, you earn more. I would bet that overall, men sell more. Yes, an individual woman might sell the most, but she's an outlier, and it's not enough to raise the "gap".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:45 PM
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I just thought I would need that particular stat and that’s it Yes, it's called confirmation bias; when we choose to look only for the data that suits our own personal view. I didn't say better at sales, I said that maybe men overall are just more competent at business because of proven differences in character traits. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:35 PM
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Considering that you've harped on about people sharing sources in this thread, you should probably do your due diligence and actually read the studies that you yourself share. The report you shared looks at women in the construction industry, true. However, it also breaks down what areas of "construction" that women are actually working. In the construction industry, 423,000 women work in "Sales & Office". Only 13,000 women work in "Production, Transportation & Material Moving".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:22 PM
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while the pay gap has narrowed over time, a gender pay gap still exists, even when controlling for these external factors. Maybe because across the board men are more competent than women?! Look at the report you yourself shared on the construction industry. Women earn 95% of what men earn, the key point is that this is IN SALES. It's undisputed that men possess lower levels of neuroticism and agreeableness and are more assertive with negotiating. How can you possibly expect there to be a 100% r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:52 PM
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There isn't a gender pay gap; there is a gender earnings gap. Women choose professions that pay less. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/05/the-biggest-myth-about-the-gender-wage-gap/276367/ https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-wage-gap-myth-that-wont-die-1443654408
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:37 PM
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It has nothing to do with the opportunities. Look at the professions that women choose and look at what professions "build". Sure, we can't say all, but does it really matter when it's probably 98%?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:05 PM
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Yes but they are largely exceptions to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:52 PM
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How is it not true? I mean, I'm a woman and I can comfortably say it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:51 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:47 PM
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I'm not sure that I am. I do think it's a lot more difficult for women to get respect for competence in business but I'm not whinging about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:43 PM
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I mean even before the Agrictultural Revolution. Why were the Aztecs & Incas patriarchal?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:37 PM
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I disagree. Men have been celebrated all throughout history as superior to women. That's why women are celebrated now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 10:30 AM
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Uhhh.. you practically have all the Nobel prizes. What more do you want? Women’s achievements and inventions are celebrated because of their rarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 10:02 AM
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The fact that Afro-Asia and America both ended up patriarchal, even after being out of contact for thousands of years, suggests that it's universally biological that men have power/dominance over women. This can't be stated because it's obviously incredibly undesirable in the West that is obsessed with "equality". As a woman, it's certainly tough to think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 09:56 AM
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Eww, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:36 AM
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I agree but would also add that committed self-development and therapy can absolutely change things around.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 05:31 PM
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So, CMV: Status for men is more important than looks, game, personality, intellect or anything else in dating. I'm arguing that it has nothing to do with status and everything to do with the polarity of dominance between him and the girls he is dating / trying to date. Men need to seriously look at the women they are dating and ask themselves if they are actually better than her at anything. Jack sounds boring as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 05:23 PM
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I was that flakey girl BEFORE I was ghosted by a guy I was into. I learned how it feels and ever since I have been very clear and open about when I'm just not interested enough. From my experience, some guys take it HARD, which makes me sick with guilt every time I have to reject someone; I can understand why people prefer to not say anything and just slow-fade out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 05:08 PM
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No, it's never okay. At the minimum, send a text message clearly stating that you aren't interested. If you've slept together, meeting in person should be absolutely required.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 05:04 PM
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They are similar in that we can’t assume others to always act morally. Pairing two people together, in any way, will always have inherent risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 12:23 AM
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It’s not about wanting a baby, it’s about looking after a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 08:10 PM
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The source of where your apparently read what you are claiming as fact. How would a scientific study even be possible when you are commenting on “prehistoric times”?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 08:08 PM
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Why not be anti contraception?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 08:29 AM
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What do any of those examples have to do with a woman not taking responsibility or making decisions? Believe me, the girl would want to be saying to the guy “you chose a bad place, you moron”, but she doesn’t because she’s submissive. With other women we don’t give a fuck, so we are honest. And btw, for any example of what “women” do, you’re going to have to explain how men obviously don’t do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 07:31 PM
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selfless service or sacrifice You don't think women selflessly service or sacrifice? Do you have a mother?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 06:55 PM
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Women aren't strong enough or fast enough to survive on their own in the wild for very long. The idea that men are stronger than women is only true for specific kinds of strength. Women are more resistant to disease, famine, and exhaustion. Also, raw strength has rarely even correlated to power. In foraging tribes, dominance was given to those who were the most social. Even in chimps, the alpha wins through stable alliances with both males and females, not through violence. This is why women hat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 06:53 PM
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Mega gay vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 06:32 PM
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Why doesn't the ideal relationship include getting some strange? The real question is why doesn't YOUR ideal relationship include getting some strange? Who the hell is stopping you exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 06:31 PM
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I agree with this. It's not really clarified but in the second scenario, if the woman is actually stringing the guy along by alluding to the possibility of a relationship, then she is the asshole there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 05:13 PM
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I think people are liking JBP because he is symbolic of the father that very few had.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 04:26 PM
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I have edited.
/r/RedPillWomen08/07/18 03:39 PM
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Respectfully, your post here seems to be pure conjecture vs acknowledging the science of self-esteem. To be honest, I don't even get the impression that you actually know what self-esteem is - it's a whole lot more than a pretty girl knowing that she's pretty. You seem to be somehow confused with external validation, which is fragile at best. Self-esteem is your inner regard for yourself and has absolutely nothing to do with other people. Self-esteem is not only the single biggest predictor of s…
/r/RedPillWomen08/07/18 02:30 PM
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I disagree. I think you need to do your research a bit more.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 05:01 AM
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No they weren't Take that up with the historians.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 07:16 PM
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You conveniently left out the parts where you, for thousands of years, not only banned the other racer from racing at all, but also forced them to depend on you to survive, while laughing at them for being “inferior”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 07:30 PM
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Telling anyone anything never works. They need to come to their own conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 06:37 PM
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Oh, I disagree on that. I said "largely socially constructed".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 05:52 AM
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Social standing has always been tied to money. Sexually stimulating is what is socially constructed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 04:04 AM
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Say the bottom 80% of men died off and we only had the top 20% - wouldn't women just then compete over the top 20% of that 20% because of hypergamy? And to extend on that, is that the point? Are we ideally meant to have 4 women to every high-value man? It seems that both sides would be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 06:31 AM
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by social construct. Not sure if this is what you were getting at but if we look at art history, what we find physically attractive is largely socially constructed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 06:29 AM
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Your comments don't make sense. If you're trying to make a point, please make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 05:56 AM
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re-agricultural, hunter-gatherer humans were not male-dominated and that civilization and society introduced that. Hunter-gatherer / foraging societies were egalitarian. Every agricultural society became a patriarchy through the logical division of labor: men in the fields, women in the house looking after children.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 05:55 AM
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Is femininity an act? I don't think it's an act. I think I definitely play up on my femininity with men, especially in dating, but I'm not doing that consciously - I just seem to become more feminine around men. I definitely play it down in certain situations at work. When I'm with my girlfriends, we all still act feminine, we are just less restrained (talking about sex etc). If so why do women do it? Because men are grumpy and we like being little miss sunshine to change the mood. Life is hard,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/18 02:45 PM
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I don't think we can say that the cause is feminism in isolation when so many things in the world have changed: Declines in religious values, Hollywood culture, social media/internet, single-parent households, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/18 07:09 AM
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The world hasn't just changed because of feminism. Bigger social changes have been Hollywood influence and social media/internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/18 07:03 AM
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It’s so gross I’m gonna cry 😭😍
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 09:32 PM
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I read what you wrote. I told you my actions based on the guys that I (and my friends) have slept with. Confidence is a consistent pattern. In software, when you’re wanting to build a new feature to sell, you ask the customer about the last product of that kind that they paid for. If you ask enough customers, you see clear patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 09:25 PM
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based on a text description Confidence. Period. We fuck confident men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 09:11 PM
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I thought ENTJ's were ENTJ's 2nd best match.. (after ISFJ)?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 08:47 PM
2

Please describe the personalities of some Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 08:45 PM
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It's just confidence. I realize it's totally cliched but what I have read of people who truly developed that, is that they just started acting like "a confident guy", faking it, and eventually they just became that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:47 PM
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No, I have a distinctly confident (but non macho) vibe. This. This exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:45 PM
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Read it wrong, sorry. I read it as "don't make direct eye contact". In this case, I agree with you. Eye contact = confidence, which is super hot. I still wouldn't be into the no smiling or talking though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:40 PM
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Lifting really helps - specifically, making her feel smaller / less dominant. If she is tall or has a bigger body, you will have to magnify your presence somehow. In a way, it's like you want her to feel slightly threatened. We LOVE funny guys, exciting guys. Guys that can talk to anyone, lead conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:38 PM
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It's a vibe. Confidence. Smiling. Humour. Joking around. Good banter. Lifting really helps. Play tricks on us. Scare us. Make us feel like little girls either physically or mentally but not in a disrespectful way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:23 PM
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I don't think we like tall guys per se. I think we like the feeling of being feminine / small / cute that often happens when we are with tall guys. I think we can also have this with short guys but they need to invest more in lifting/charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:21 PM
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You're a guy. The guy you just described sounds like an asshole. A guy that doesn't talk, smile, or look me in eye? NEXT.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:16 PM
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I truly believe that women are sexually attracted, not necessarily to men, but to feeling feminine. What is missing in most men? Basically that today women are better at being men than most men and find it difficult to respect a guy enough to submit to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:10 PM
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Evidence: chiefly just “logic” and life wisdom from a successful career sleeping with and dating Sluts of various kinds. [Slut Taxonomy furnished upon request]. Have you married or LTR'd one? How did that go? I don't think TRP's vilification of sluts has anything to do with sleeping or dating them (they actually prefer them for STR's), but it's that they won't commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 06:19 AM
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That might be true about Jam but Lewis, we could say the same thing to you about women...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 05:49 AM
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Do they have it easier to be satisfied? So a "quality relationship" to you, could be a relationship that you aren't satisfied in?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 04:43 AM
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An exercise bike doesn't cause hemorrhoids. Being obese does.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 04:58 AM
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Stairmaster would take up a ridiculous amount of space anyways but I bought an exercise bike for home and it's awesome. You can watch netflix and even reddit while riding. I completely zone out from the fact that I'm even doing cardio.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:46 AM
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Do you track your TDEE? Do you know what your maintenance cals are? And 80 hours of work is certainly a lot. It means it's more important than ever that you are planning your meals. What are you usually eating each day? I work about 60 hours and when I'm lazy with meal prep I rely on things like canned tuna and pre-packaged chicken breast - things that I don't have to prepare at all. Also, intermittent fasting can really help. Have you tried that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:44 AM
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Mostly from eating low volume but high0calorie foods. People think they are being "healthy" by eating avocados and nuts that are calorie-dense. Also, unrefined carbs in general just don't fill you up. You could eat a whole cake and be hungry again in 3 hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:38 AM
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I've totally seen "toxic femininity" around here but I feel like in the grand scheme of things, we are agreeing with each other. "Toxic" is society's label for "poor character". A lot of men and women have poor character.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:19 AM
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No, I still believe women have worse odds, due to hypergamy basically. Men’s odds: women he could have a relationship with / women he finds attractive. Women’s odds: men she could have a relationship with / men she finds attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 07:59 AM
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Here are your claims again: Marriage material husband= fall back boy who she thinks she can abuse and use. 'Build a life with' = been rode hard Good guys...get the half-digested regurgitated leftovers Do you believe it's possible for a woman to genuinely want to marry a man? Do you believe it's possible that a woman doesn't have triple digit n-Counts? You have distorted thinking, specifically black and white thinking. It's a distinctive marker of poor mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 06:20 AM
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i do not believe women would struggle to find a relationship Nah. Women aren't looking for any relationship. I have struggled to find one this last year and it's because of my location and because I have a fairly masculine personality. It's rare for me to be sexually attracted to a guy and I'd rather die alone than settle on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 03:46 AM
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quality relationships I agree with everything you said except for this, which is the most important factor for women. "Quality relationship" would be a monogamous relationship with a guy that you were wildly sexually attracted to, and those guys have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 03:42 AM
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I still think the actual odds of fulfilment might be less for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 03:35 AM
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My prime sexual years were spent in long-term relationships with real people. This story of girls spending their 20's fucking a new guy every weekend is completely myopic; a narrative you tell yourself so that you can justify your sick resentment at them for not fucking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 03:22 AM
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Neither of these support your claim. Your claim was "taller men have higher testosterone levels", which is still completely absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 03:15 AM
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What are you talking about? Toxic == toxic, irrespective of gender. There is no double-standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 03:13 AM
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Exactly. Paradox of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 07:43 PM
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Oh rightttt, because I've had sex before, I apparently can't be taken seriously by men (?) I stand by my claim: you need psychological help.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 04:06 PM
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Solipsism noun the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:59 PM
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who now see the reality, Yes. Welcome to Reality. Population: /u/Trentguy24 & /u/Wallstreet3
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:54 PM
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At this point, I don't even know if you're trolling or being serious. If you are being serious, it is truly worrying. I had surfer dude's commitment. Yes, I was physically attracted to him but we didn't intellectually connect, which is just as important to me as sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:52 PM
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I have had long-term relationships with real men and they have known about everyone that I have ever dated and even slept with prior. It has never been an issue. You are living in a fantasy land.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:46 PM
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why would you date one type in youth and the other when you "mature" and want to "Settle down" BECAUSE HOPEFULLY WITH AGE, PEOPLE GROW THE FUCK UP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:44 PM
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Why would I even LTR a guy that I'm not sexually attracted to? You don't make sense. You don't understand women OR men. You don't understand people at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:41 PM
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"raw lust" for the surfer dude Why do you think it's only possible for women to feel "raw lust" for one man on Earth? You need psychological help.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:38 PM
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or that they need to be aware that cases as written You are free to choose to live the life that you want. You are free to marry whoever you want. If you have a weird hangup about your future wife's past lovers because you're so damn insecure, then take responsibility for your own life, and ask her up-front of her detailed sexual history BEFORE YOU MARRY HER. The fact that you expect other people to tell you how to live your life is incredibly telling. You blame the deficits of your personality …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:24 PM
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These links have absolutely nothing to do with the point you are trying to make. These links are about low RMV women struggling to find a relationship. Your argument is that a girl who had a hot ex-bf could not possibly find any other guy sexually attractive, thus she shouldn't be married to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:15 PM
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but men ( not all ) would want to avoid you, if they knew you had fling with surfer dude That's patently false and completely laughable. Look at what men do, not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:10 PM
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That is some seriously distorted thinking right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:09 PM
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You need to talk to more men in real life because I don't believe they'd share your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:05 PM
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a woman who would much prefer her ex's sexually How do you know she preferred the ex more? Just because someone is physically attractive doesn't mean they are good at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:02 PM
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Attraction has so many different layers beyond the physical realm that you are completing discounting. Even if a woman has dated an objectively hotter guy in the past, it doesn't mean that she isn't capable of finding another guy much more attractive. Maybe your brother connects with her on a spiritual level, on an emotional level, maybe your brother is better at communication and talks to her during sex to ask what she likes so she orgasms almost immediately every time. There is certain chemist…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:00 PM
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If your wife fucked you whenever you wanted, would you get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:48 PM
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Did i mention they want you to feel bad about being a virgin? Whoever makes you feel bad for this or calls you any of those things has poor character. ..and now they are misogynists. TRP is great for men for self-improvement but there is a line that gets so obviously crossed when guys are still in the anger phase. There is a way to be alpha without being an asshole. There is a way to have NSA sex with a girl without resenting her. There is a way to be masculine without the "toxic masculinity" th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:41 PM
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If he pumped and dumped you, why did you go back to him at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 09:20 AM
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Delusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 05:22 PM
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Oh, Jesus... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 04:25 PM
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I agree that the shrieks of "patriarchy" are excessive but what is your actual opinion on women not having the same rights afforded to top men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 10:35 AM
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Taller men have higher testosterone levels and higher levels of physical and sexual aggression. What an absurd claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 10:13 AM
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I agree that "equality movement" would be disingenuous but in regards to rights, suffrage, sexuality, access to education, you can't pretend that white men weren't afforded immense and inherent privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 07:46 AM
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I am definitely a HH woman. I'm ENTJ in MBTI too. This scares me actually. I am 28 and have been single for 1 year now; really by choice. I'd say I'm about a 7 SMV (maybe even 8 here in Germany) but I find it very difficult to meet men who I can respect. My disposition is at least feminine, many men find this attractive, but yet I often still feel that I am the more dominant one psychologically, which turns me off. Is anyone else HH? Do you have advice?
/r/RedPillWives23/06/18 07:06 AM
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His writing is so awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 06:40 AM
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I work in STEM and I am always blown away by some men's ability to stay so perpetually chill and unrattled under pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 06:31 AM
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Uff.. Adam Driver, no question about it. I think I’m just so into his character from Girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 08:49 PM
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It's the same for women. It's solved through compromise!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 04:58 PM
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He was talking about getting better sex. And for women, better sex == commitment sex. The best sex is with a SO that you trust, that knows what you like, and that cares about you. And to get commitment, you need a good personality (RMV).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 01:45 PM
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How often would you like to have sex with your SO? Every day ideally but I'd also be happy with > 3 per week. If you are a woman who's sex life has slowed with your SO, why did it happen from your perspective? It happened in 2 of my LTR's (both 2 years) but didn't happen in my longest LTR that was 4 years. I actually have a high libido but still. IMO, it was because I had become the more masculine/dominant one in the relationship over time. There was not enough polarity between us for me to feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 01:35 PM
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Oh, man. Are you even trying to understand women's side? I'm still reeling that you called me the solipsistic one here. It's laughable. Just because you're not into commitment, doesn't mean lots of men aren't. Also a low-value man wanting to fuck me is not a relationship. Can't you see how this works?!!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 09:35 AM
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Orbiting is not an option if you're into sex so no Then women's options are not options if they're into relationships, so equally no (?!)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 09:11 AM
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I feel like I could easily say the same thing to the men here. I mean, honestly, I'm trying to be empathetic but we just never seem to be able to understand each other. Men's bowl isn't "empty". They have plenty of options that just don't fulfil them, which equals relationships with women that don't involve sex. Women's bowl isn't "empty". They have plenty of options that just don't fulfil them, which equals relationships with men that don't involve commitment. How am I the solipsistic one here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:14 AM
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misattributed quotes How.. how is that misattributed? Oscar Wilde did say that.
/r/RedPillWomen22/06/18 06:03 AM
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/r/RedPillWives/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 05:52 AM
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Your bowl isn't empty though; look at all those women you can orbit around. It's the perfect analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 05:02 AM
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Looking good really isn't enough. Getting commitment is all about personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 05:00 AM
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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1467-8306.2007.00563.x
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 04:35 AM
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Completely off-topic but you are a wonderful writer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 04:13 AM
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their ability to create other human beings. Don't men have that ability too?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 06:28 PM
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cause they know women are not turned off by it, I'd argue they are. A lot of Chad's have lacklustre personality and are either wildly arrogant, plain stupid, or (most likely) both.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 06:18 PM
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Then why is our education system designed to weed those people out? Yeah, I'm with you. Education absolutely needs to be reformed; either segregated by gender with separate curriculums or to at least shift the favour away from favouring the way girls learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 05:59 PM
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Women have a lower survival rate than men in all natural disasters. That's why.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 04:11 PM
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Do you notice that every observation you make is followed by a judgement, which is subjective? Do you think a guy who stares at me on the train gives a fuck about me, really?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 03:35 PM
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but overall women still have indeed more value. This is genuinely a serious question: why do you believe that women have more value?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 03:32 PM
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Clearly that is worth more than being with a man to them. You are severely underestimating how psychologically damaging some relationships are to people. Not everyone gets closeness, companionship, intimacy, safety, support, love in a relationship. And even if they do, it doesn't always last, which is incredibly painful. People give up; they're defeated and love isn't worth the risk anymore. Of all people, TRP should understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 03:19 PM
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We only see this as low value because we see "marriage" as high value. Marriage == stability, order. This is why marriage is still a benefit to men in the upper class, for the social prestige.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 03:05 PM
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I guess my opinion is somewhat spiritual in that nature has allowed for this. "disposable" is a judgement based on cultural construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 02:38 PM
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How frequently do you use an IQ score to gauge someone's personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 02:33 PM
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Connection is a universal human need. Women need men for the same reasons that men need women: closeness, companionship, intimacy, safety, support, love. Children are best raised in a two-parent household. Women need husbands and children need fathers. Men have a higher range of IQ, which historically has correlated to inventions and economic growth. Yes, this is arguable considering women didn't have education, but we need the smartest men working on the most difficult problems. Men have no rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 02:19 PM
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Men have no real inherent value anymore Y'all need to get away from this word "value". Just do away with it entirely because it's the absolute cause of your suffering. Better yet, why don't you try to help the 5 closest people to you to improve their value?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 02:02 PM
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I think he means your paragraph of platitudes. I agree with everything you said 100% but ironically, common advice can take a while for people to truly internalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 01:56 PM
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Not Berlin, obviously 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 10:17 AM
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Yes. When I feel feminine, I do feel very child-like; cute, playful, gentle. Being dominant in sex seems brutal in a way, violent, which isn’t feminine to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:28 PM
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Do any of you find this kind of guy hot? No, sorry. Edit: I thought about it a bit more, wondering why it's so unattractive to me. I don't even know if it's "masculinity" that turns me on versus feeling feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 06:57 PM
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Can you find the actual study though? I'm curious as to what the actual questions were. I've read some related links, this for example "Half of the women surveyed admitted they had a potential fallback partner in mind in case they ended up single." This just sounds like they could have asked "is there a guy you could bang if you were single"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 06:01 PM
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Plan B guys are common I really don’t think they are. At least not as common as what you/TRP seem to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 04:57 PM
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Sure, let's just assume that studies that don't support our own personal opinions are lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 04:15 PM
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It's stupid and annoying and doesn't work for day-to-day communication in thereal world. I can understand why you say that. I do believe though, that it is something everyone should study and understand because the foundations of it are bang on. Specifically, being able to label feelings and needs because they're universal, being responsible for our own feelings (aka devoid of blaming others), and compromising with others so that connection is valued above being "right".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 04:12 PM
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Agree and Amplify The word "amplify" doesn't even appear in that book. Keep trying, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:53 PM
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Cringe. Dude, go outside. Join crossfit or something. You've been in pill-land too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:31 PM
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> But why don't women get this yet. Because women need marriage to dominate the female matrix. Marriage & children == "real" woman, ironically invented by patriarchal thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:27 PM
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Seriously, can you quantify how women communicate ineffectively with men? Sure, let's just run a longitudinal cohort where we track every conversation between a man and a woman and measure how many instances were (very subjectively) "ineffective"... You've got to be a little conceited to believe that there is a way to quantify this. Some of it was assertive communication but with non-accusatory language. DING DING DING.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:17 PM
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I really hope you are being sarcastic by asking how ONE SIDE of a TWO SIDED PROCESS communicates effectively.. PEOPLE don't communicate effectively because 1. we learned the foundation from our parents who had no damn clue and 2. it actually requires self-development and WORK, which most of us are too damn lazy to do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:56 PM
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Do you understand how statistics work? Your single anecdotal example is not representative of "women". Just in the same way that a rapist or criminal is not representative of "men". No one believes a guy to be lucky for ending up in a deadbedroom marriage with an insufferable c*nt for a wife. We are working from the assumption (and data) that most marriages are still actually happy and successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:21 PM
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Yes i know it takes two persons to make a marriage work ...but lets talk about women here. Why would you acknowledge that marriage takes two persons to make it work and then only talk about one side? This is exactly why marriages don't work: ineffective communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:15 PM
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> hinges entirely on your willingness to make enormous sacrifices on her behalf What are the enormous sacrifices that you mean here exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:51 AM
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How many long-term relationships have you had with women? Honestly, it sounds like not many. You seem to be under the impression that all a woman has to offer a man in a committed relationship is sex. If that's what you believe from your past experience, you have likely dated only low RMV women. Women know that men ideally want consistent sex with multiple women; they believe men make a compromise and have consistent sex with one woman with the additional "girlfriend comfort benefits". Women bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:22 AM
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Patriarchy is not a theory. It is well-accepted fact by historians and anthropologists. Feminism is still relatively new in comparison. You really should read some damn history perhaps, actually get informed, before you develop an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 04:48 AM
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Did you read anything I just wrote in my last comment? Do you understand historically that men have always had privileges over women? Feminism didn’t just start in a vacuum; perhaps we center around the wants and needs of women today, but that is as debt to the thousands of years before where they were ignored. And it’s not at the expense of men - men already had privileges!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 08:38 PM
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Read your own comments here. You start off by saying that men and women are not equal. You note physical strength, sports, and men having a wider range of IQ, seemingly as "evidence". You allude to this further by mentioning that Nobel prize winners are men. Now, because you haven't explicitly said it, I am going to straight out ask you: In your opinion, who has more value? Men or Women? Why? > I'd be interested to know what exactly women consider so repressive in the past You can't be this naiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 02:55 AM
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Feminists have pushed for instituted advantages because men have historically suppressed women as being far “less valuable”. Again, does a Nobel prize make someone more valuable? Why? Feminists aren’t arguing for “equality” in terms of women being equal at all the things men can do. They are arguing for getting equal respect overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:36 PM
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> So what you're really demanding, Firstly, I am not demanding anything. For the sake of discussion here, I am technically arguing for feminists but it's not a strong opinion of my own. I personally don't believe in equality of outcome but opportunity, which I believe we are getting a lot closer to anyway. > when men and women are not equal? Men are better than women at a lot of things. Women are better than men at a lot of things. What makes one or the other more valuable? Isn't it possible tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 06:07 PM
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Do they really want more than those men? Or just equal representation?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 09:45 AM
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Here's the progress: https://imgur.com/a/JlERsqW The first photo was the before and the photo on the right is after the 3rd session that I had about 5 weeks ago. It's probably going to take 6-10 sessions :( Luckily, it's quite cheap in Germany.
/r/RedPillWomen17/06/18 07:10 AM
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I am having 2 of my tattoos (the very visible ones) removed. I have 5 others that I don't regret at all and will not remove. I think it really depends on how much they bother you. Do you feel self-conscious because of them?
/r/RedPillWomen16/06/18 03:21 PM
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