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Well, given that a lot of TRPers have this idea that women with a lot of partners can't successfully be in long term relationships, the guy's response to my partner count should be pretty telling, as one example.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 10:17 PM
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I don't mess around with small talk on the first date, so we almost always get to sexual dynamics. Anyone who can't open up that much that early also generally ends up disqualified.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 08:38 PM
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Well, it's a great way to instantly move a guy into the Big Red Nope Box of dating. So hey, TRP saves me time!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 07:55 AM
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Given that I don't really pay attention to what most people are doing or not doing, I'm not sure why I would even care that you've decided relationships aren't a priority. Lots of people do that, temporarily or permanently, for all sorts of reasons. The whole MGTOW thing just strikes me as one big flounce, followed by peeking back in to see if anyone noticed they left.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 10:10 AM
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Funny thing is, with as long as it takes me to save up for good quality ink, i have to think about what I want quite a bit. Hardly an impulse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 08:49 AM
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You can be a mature, responsible adult of any sex without having kids. Not all of us want to reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 02:58 AM
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I have been in relationships where for various reasons the sex slowed way down, but the other person was still very affectionate and loving. Usually it's health or stress that killed the libido, but the rest of the relationship was solid. In that case patience has historically been worth the wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 03:08 AM
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Sex isn't the only way to show affection. I would rather have a sexless marriage with someone who still showed enthusiastic affection in other ways than have sex wih someone who wasn't actually into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 05:24 AM
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Because a person is not limited to their sexual history. IME, their attitudes toward sex are a LOT more important--quality versus quantity. I'm more likely to have a healthy long term relationship with someone with a high partners count but who treated those partners with respect and care, even for brief flings, than someone with a lower partner count who sees their partners as adversaries to be overcome or taken advantage of. (I'm female, fwiw.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 10:01 PM
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Hyperbole much?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 09:56 PM
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Because she wasn't posting tjem on GW. she wasn't posting them publicly and didn't want them public.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/14 10:45 PM
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Because the women on gonewild deliberately post their own photos of their own bodies. This was someone taking someone else's private photos and posting them for all to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/14 06:34 PM
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Nope. Love rough sex, won't touch hate sex with a ten foot pole.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 08:02 AM
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And there are plenty of us who criticize that attitude, too, unlike TRP which rarely, if ever, criticizes its own misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 04:37 PM
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And most of us laugh at Cosmo and think those articles are bunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 02:46 PM
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Damn, and here I thought I offered my boyfriend companionship, emotional support, a good conversational partner and shared sense of humor, and someone in his corner even when things got tough. Guess I should just focus on being sexy and utilitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 01:37 AM
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Yes, and other feminists openly criticize and debate that sort of extremism. TRPers just say "I don't police other men"or or "NARPALT". I have yet to see TRPers calling each other out on abusive actions. In fact, all vitriol directed toward women os EXCUSED as "anger is an acceptable stage of becoming a TRP man. And since he's been lied to by society it's okay for him to lash out however he likes". I have never seen that attirude criticzed by another TRPer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 06:43 PM
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Because default.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 04:24 PM
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claiming and surrendering power are both intensely erotic Yes. This is called BDSM. It is also based heavily on consent, the idea that all parties are inherently equal as people no matter what they mutually agree to as far as power exchange goes, and that women can be dominant and men submissive. What TRP advocates is the idea that wall women should be submissive in totality, no consent, "just the way things are".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/14 04:48 AM
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INORITE? College has filled this boy's head with all the answers!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/14 07:46 PM
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I never said they were betas. TRPers consider any man who treats women with a modicum of respect as a beta. I consider people to be, y'know, people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 11:51 PM
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I've gravitated less towards the brooding, dominant, exacting types and more towards guys like my more easygoing, less alpha boyfriend. While he's confident and independent, he's very catering to my wants and needs. This not only makes me happy on an emotional level; it (dare I say it?) gives me the tingles too. Shouldn't this tell you something? TRP guys make you feel like shit, and the guys TRPers dismiss as "betas" actually make you feel like gasp a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 06:41 PM
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All it really takes is half a date to read the attitudes a person carries.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 10:24 PM
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you are not aware of yourself, you have no idea of what you need. ....and this is why I discount the Red Pill and will never date/fuck/etc. a TRPer. Thankfully I'm in a long-established (five years and running), mutually happy and healthy relationship with someone who's not a TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 08:50 PM
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I am quite aware of myself and what I like and need, and I clearly communicate that with my partners. Your problem is that you want all women to have the same answers and the same level of communication skills, further complicated by the fact that TRP primarily advocates pursuing younger women who often may not yet have the awareness and confidence to know and communicate their wants and needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 07:36 AM
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I am a woman. And giving me respect shows me I can trust a person. If someone doesn't respect me, then they're more likely to hurt me (and not in the fun, kinky way) which makes me a lot less likely to trust them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 02:31 AM
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false dichotomy. Lots of people want trust and respect to go both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 08:56 PM
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There's a difference between choosing a traditional relationship because it's what you want, and TRP's insistence that that's what all women really want and there's something wrong with women who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 07:31 PM
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NO. NO NO NO. D/s is based on two people being mutually respectful and EQUALS in all things and then agreeing to exchange power for a certain duration of time/relationship. RP is about women being inherently inferior and never the equal of the man no matter what. D/s relies heavily on trust and consent. RP is about men getting whatever they want from women and the woman's consent doesn't matter. D/s allows for all different gender and sex combinations. RP says men are always supposed to be in ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 11:59 PM
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I would have no life except being the perfect skinny trophy for some overbearing douchebag. I would have no interests beyond putting his needs first. I would probably be a closet alcoholic as a way of coping with the soul-crushing repression of my actual personality, feelings and needs and having my life revolve around someone who looked down on me as "the most responsible teenager in the house", incapable of honor or rational thinking. I would have a horrible sex life focused only on his pleasu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 11:33 PM
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Okay. Here's the thing. It does take patience, and it takes learning good people skills. Part of what TRP does is make shortcuts like "ALL WOMEN BLAH BLAH BLAH" or even "MOST WOMEN BLAH BLAH". The problem is, these shortcuts aren't as universal as they claim they are; they're looking at a very specific set of behaviors and personality traits that they then generalize across the entire female population, and then get even more bitter about women through confirmation bias, etc. I'm in my thirties,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 09:49 PM
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Not to mention in BDSM you're starting with two adults who are acknowledged equals regardless of sex and gender identity, and then agreeing to a power exchange (or at least "You beat my back, I'll take it however you like"). It's not MEN ARE ALL DOMS unless you wander into the scary backwaters of Gor.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 03:27 AM
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What a fine example of confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 06:58 PM
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If you have to scare someone into staying in a relationship with you, you fail at relationships. 'nuff said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:16 AM
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RP seems to strive for conditioned responses in their relationships/plates/whatever and see it as a tool to be used for the overall good and health in a relationship. Are you even listening to what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:15 AM
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It's also very heavily gendered as an insult. Men are much less commonly called sluts, and often when they are it's in a more joking-praising way. Plus the times I have seen men called sluts it's when they're obviously very sexually promiscuous, whereas for women it's like you said--just for existing. So the theory seems to be "Women who sleep around are worthless, this woman just made me angry, therefore I should called her a slut to make sure she knows I think she's worthless". Nobody does tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 12:06 AM
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Nothing wrong with anyone being sexually submissive or dominant or switch if that's what they want. The problem is that TRP's idea of a submissive woman has nothing to do with the consensual, carefully negotiated scenes/power exchange/etc. relationships of BDSM. They don't start with the assumption that everyone is equal and then agree to exchange power from there. Instead, it's the idea that the woman is inherently inferior to the man and therefore he should be in charge. it's the kind of shite…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 07:29 AM
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Which is why so many third wave feminist criticize it. Yes, we acknowledge the contributions the second wave made at the time they were trying to create something new, but we can also look at their mistakes and learn from them. That's why treating feminism like a monolith (or even a "most feminists" situation) is inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 05:31 AM
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Which is from a primarily older second wave perspective which is largely being replaced by third wave feminism which values motherhood as much as anything else a woman may choose to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 02:45 AM
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...and these broad, sweeping generalizations that are largely based on poor representative samples are exactly why I will never be a TRPer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 05:46 PM
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Most feminists support the choice to be a housewife so long as it's one of many possible options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 02:48 AM
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I can't speak for all women. That's the mistake TRPers make--this misconception that every woman (or even almost every woman) having the same motivations, thoughts, flaws, etc. I personally appreciate when a partner (male or female)trusts me enough to be vulnerable with me. So I can't speak to why another woman might not be the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 01:12 PM
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Honey, I've been a woman for over 30 years. I have a pretty damned good idea of what makes anyone attractive to me (or not), and I can tell you exactly what attracted me--and still attracts me--to the guy I've been with for the past few years. What gets me are TRPers who will STILL insist that I somehow have no idea what I'm feeling or thinking, and then expect me to fall all over them to give me direction in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 06:49 AM
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Please don't conflate BDSM and TRP. Kinky people tend to smell TRP shit a mile away and shun that philosophy. BDSM is about mutual consent between two equals who then may exchange power, not actual abuse justified as supposed universal male dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 12:48 AM
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And this right here is exactly why I will never buy into RP bullshit. "WOMEN NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ATTRACTED TO! THEIR FEELINGS ARE NEVER STABLE!" Which is utter crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 12:32 AM
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Personally, I'm glad you answered. Something a little different, but IMO still relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 12:31 AM
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Well, yes, in part because 25 is a little younger than I prefer to date at this point; I want partners with a little more worldliness and groundedness. Also because I find partners with experience--male or female--to be more fun. Even before I had PiV sex I experimented quite a bit so I could be a better lover, and especially now in my thirties I don't really have the patience for someone who doesn't really know what they're doing in the bedroom. I got that over with in my own twenties (when I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 12:27 AM
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Your wife doesn't equal every woman out there. You sound like you need couples therapy, not whining to other RPers about how horrible women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 11:24 PM
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...."funbags"? What, are you twelve or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 07:00 AM
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Putting them in order is more linear than I really agree with. It's more that there are certain qualities I prefer, and the more pf these a man or woman has, the more likely I am to be attracted. But even then, just because a person has four of five given qualities it doesn't guarantee attraction. There are people who sound great on papeelr, but in person the interest just isn't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:50 AM
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There are no leagues. There is only attraction or a lack thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:46 AM
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giving my SO the sense that if my relationship was not going the way I hoped, I could obtain a more fulfilling relationship somewhere else Instead of, you know, having a discussion about the things you're not happy about like a couple of equal adult human beings? How fucking passive aggressive can you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 06:54 AM
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That's a pretty sad, mechanical way to look at things, as though sex is just a checklist to be filled up. Sure, maybe she's done such and such act with someone else, but she hasn't done it with you yet, and as someone who's pretty sexually experienced, doing (as an example) oral sex on one guy isn't the same as giving head to another. For me, it's not about what we do; it's about our interaction as we do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 11:52 PM
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And a growing part of society is working to toss out those gender roles and the associated stereotypes. So I don't think they're as important as some people say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/14 02:50 AM
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They're most important for navigating life in a society Plenty of us have done quite well for ourselves and our relationships without traditional gender roles, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/14 12:40 AM
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Bi here. Compatibility is the main thing I look for, and that doesn't change according to gender. What makes a person compatible with me may vary from relationship tp relationship, but again gender doesn't factor in. It's more about temperament, worldview, sense of humor, likes/dislikes and so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 03:20 AM
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Yes, but one of the prevailing goals of TRP, according to numerous posts and comments, is to be that 40-something guy who's somehow fucking younger women. It's held up like a salvation mythos, that someday all these men in their twenties who can't get laid to save their life will somehow become George Clooney in their 40s and have all the young women hanging off of them while all the post-wall hags moan about how no one wants them any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/14 04:50 PM
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If that's the case then why revive something that died out?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/14 08:26 AM
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Actually, hunter-gatherer societies tend to be egalitarian. We can assume that since that's a trait of them today, it's likely that it's a historical trend as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/14 08:09 AM
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Isn't the TRP gold standard 40-something-year-old guys banging 18-22 year old women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/14 07:58 AM
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TRPers seem to have an unusual focus on sex as a form of power exchange, typically in the form of D/s where the male is dominant, some even advocate for this model as a lifestyle outside of the bedroom Please, please, please DO NOT FUCKING EQUATE TRP WITH HEALTHY D/s. If you have trouble differentiating between the two, please read this recent post on r/bdsmcommunity. Kinky folk have enough trouble as it is with people misunderstanding us without the conflation of mutually respectful and consens…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/14 08:22 AM
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Women just have no experience in seducing women Don't assume we're all straight, kthx.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/14 06:18 AM
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I take it you aren't familiar with mutually consensual 24/7 D/s relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/14 03:29 AM
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Partner count doesn't particularly matter to me. I've had great long term relationships with people with high partner counts, and shitty relationships with people with low/no partner counts. I have a double digit partner count, and my current primary relationship has been going strong for over five years now. We're also poly, so our individual numbers could still go up, too, without adversely affecting our relationship. It's not about quantity so much as quality. If a person treats all their par…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/14 06:08 PM
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1 and 2 No one is entitled to anything. In a healthy relationship, the people involved have good communication about things like sex and finances. It's a bad idea to marry someone with whom you have severe incompatibilities in either of those areas (for example, one person is very kinky and the other staunchly vanilla, or one is very financially responsible while the other thinks all the money should be spent on video games, etc.) But that's why divorce exists, because sometimes people, regardle…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/14 06:35 PM
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[citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/14 05:36 PM
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No it doesn't. Seriously, there is so much more to life than being a fucktoy for some penis. I feel bad that you feel that way, that you seem to feel there's no purpose in your life other than in relation to your fuckability. My suggestion for your time off? Consider who you are as a person, what you like to do with your time, what interests you, what dreams you have, not in relation to another person, but for yourself. Don't feel guilty for being self-indulgent, either--it's good for us in mode…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/14 07:11 AM
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I don't care who anyone wants to sleep with or how many. What I resent is people telling me how "ruined" and "miserable" I am when I know quite well I'm anything but. Moreover I hate how TRPers tell other women that if they sleep around they'll regret it once they hit some mythical "wall". And yes, for me it is about that connection. What of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/14 04:59 AM
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Actually, that's not true. Premarital sex has always happened. It's just more out in the open now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/14 01:52 AM
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First off, it's not about just sleeping with as many people as possible. It was more about taking opportunities if I chose to. And what worked for me isn't necessarily going to work for everyone. The fatal flaw of TRP is that is tries to find one size fits all solutiona for complicated human challenges.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/14 12:38 AM
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For one, I learned to be more comfortable in my own skin as I became more comfortable in my sexuality. Not cocky, mind you, just more accepting and confidenr in myself. And being more confidemt made me more psychologically healthy overall. It also helped me to be a better judge of people. Just because I've slept with a lot of people doesn't mean I have no standards. If anything, it helped me to have a better understanding both of what I liked and how to find people who had traits I prefer. And I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/14 02:12 AM
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Damn, and here I thought all those good memories I made with various partners over the years, short term and long, had contributed to making me a better person. Guess I'm just irreparably damaged and all my problems can be traced to having a double digit number.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/14 05:04 PM
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You can't tell me the cock carousel isn't a derogatory thing in TRP. The whole concept is based on the idea that the more people a woman sleeps with the less "value" she has and supposedly she's ruined for LTRs even though there's no evidence beyond anecdote to support that. Plus rhe whole "women are teenagers/children/dogs" thing isn't exactly praise, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/14 04:57 PM
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If you don't shame women for our sexual histories then what's the whole cockcarousel thing supposed to be? A compliment?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/14 04:09 PM
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With all that said, how can the blue pill possibly argue that I'm worse off by blowing off the media narrative of obsessing over sexual validation, treating women like they're always acting in good faith, and that attraction isn't based purely on physical features and social status, rather than 'things in common' and all that? What does TBP have to add to my life? Is it anything more than the sexual dynamics corollary to young earth creationism? "Don't ask leading questions designed to put peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/14 03:57 AM
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However, men seem like they have a few more options. Men can be patriarchal fathers, playboys or MGTOW. Nowhere I have seen is an alternative to women if they don't fit the mold of being "girl friend material". So in red pill philosophy, what is a woman to do is she has slept with 10 plus men? Is she really doomed to a sad unfulfilled life? Life isn't a tabletop RPG, and people don't fit neatly into character classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 09:36 AM
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Not to mention there's something incredibly sexy about someone who is comfortable in who they are. I have met some early twenty-somethings who were pretty well grounded, but they seemed in my experience to be the exception. I know I was pretty damned flaky at that age. And just because someone in their thirties may or may not be able to wear the same size clothing they did a decade or more earlier, or have more lines on their face, doesn't mean they aren't sexy. The way a confident, comfortable …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 01:41 AM
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shrugs Not me. I'm in my thirties, and my partners (male and female) have gotten only better as I've gotten older.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 08:26 PM
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"Withhold" makes it sound as though people are entitled to sex from each other. And it's not a gender-specific thing, either--men aren't all after sex 24/7, and women don't all have lower sex drives, etc. It's pretty depressing that your first instinct when a woman isn't having sex with a man is either "She's making a power play" or "she just has a low libido all the time". As to things that can put the kibosh on sex, even in someone who normally likes sex a lot? Let's see: --Stress --Depression…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/14 10:56 PM
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What about all the people who divorced their spouses because one or the other or both had been a virgin prior to marriage and either found that the sex wasn't that great, or that they wondered what else was out there? Isn't that a risk worth considering as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/14 12:16 AM
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Reddit is canted heavily toward younger guys. The older a lot of guys get, the less petty they become about shit like that--same with women. It's one of the things people increasingly grow out of as they get to know more about the world and the realities thereof, and the fact that things really aren't black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/14 09:41 PM
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Or they connect with people they love dearly, and don't see a lively sexual past as a bad thing. Being promiscuous doesn't mean that you can't also have a LTR, and that goes for women and men alike. The idea that sluttiness ruins a woman's ability to commit is a viewpoint that is on its way out the door with the dinosaurs (other than with a few holdovers like TRPers).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/14 09:33 PM
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Except there are TRPers who will swear all guys are like that and all women are like that. And TBP is about how there's a lot more variety in what people in general want. So no, I'm not going to just take it on faith that it doesn't mean "every single one".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/14 09:31 PM
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guys don't like girls with slutty pasts ALL guys? Every single one? [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/14 06:59 AM
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What bothers me is how this "anger phase" makes being an utter bigot acceptable. Nobody on TRP seems to be calling anyone out for this. it's just accepted that some guys will say some really horrible, bigoted vicious things about women and that's that. The only people who are seen to be questioning the necessity of "ALL WOMAN ARE STUPID VILE CUMBUCKET WHORES WHO WILL LIE TO YOU EXCEPT THEY HAVE THE STUPIDITY OF CHILDREN" as a part of "self improvement" are people who aren't on TRP, since any dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 07:50 AM
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You're using your logical fallacies wrong. "No true Scotsman" is when someone says "No true Scotsman would believe such and such", whereas what Alexisinpgh is saying is "different Scotsmen believe different things, but they're all still Scotsmen". Feminism is sort of like Christianity. Three are certain things that just about every Christian will agree on, but each denomination has its own opinions, ways of doing things, boundaries, etc. In the same way most feminists will agree that women regul…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/14 05:07 AM
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"Oh, hey, bartender, can I borrow the phone? Some douchecanoe just robbed me of my phone and I need to call the police. Yes, I have his name, car description, contact information, and his fingerprints are on the phone, too." Or, alternately, "Yes, officer, I decked this man and bloodied his nose because we were on a first date, he suddenly grabbed my phone, and I was seriously concerned that he was going to run away with what is a very valuable piece of my property. No, we can drop the charge, i…
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