So I was talking to an older guy who I've known for a while. We somehow got onto the topic of sex. And so I talked about how I always go as hard and fast as I want and the girls love it and that's the way to fuck a woman, and so on. But then he said something that blew my mind. Below is a gist of what he was saying.

If you do that, the love will die in less than a year. You're acting like the man in bed, which is good. That's better than men who can't control their women and so the women end up cheating to find a real man. But you're only acting like a man physically. I bet you love being rough because the girls enjoy it, and you feel like a man giving them that pleasure. But mentally you're acting like a boy trying to please her.

And then I asked him how he does it then. He says he controls his women physically too. And he just goes straight to it. He never does foreplay, fingering, oral, etc. (I'm also oldschool like that, fingering and oral is for pussies. Penetration orgasms or go home.). He also doesn't give a shit about how long he goes. He says most times its done in 5-10 minutes. Gives her a kiss and then showers.

I don't think I've seen this anywhere else in the manosphere, redpill, pua. Everything I've read is fuck her good and she'll fall deep for you. But it definitely makes a lot of sense off first-principles. #1 Anytime you seek validation it turns off women. #2 Any dating advice feminists tell you is probably the opposite. And feminists are always going on about how the man shouldn't be selfish and he should strive to give her an orgasm.

But personally I've definitely found girls are more submissive after I make them orgasm. And honestly if I were to not give a shit about the girl's pleasure, I'd probably just finish in 5 minutes too. No changing of positions, no foreplay. So I dunno, I wonder how that would go down.

What do y'all think? What do y'all do?