Please educate me :)

FoX6396 · 2020-10-28T07:09:42+00:00

Women's comfort levels were directly tied to men's comfort levels, the better the men made it the better women had it but generally men always ensured women had easy lives.

In a tyrannical society where women suffered, men suffered first.

There were many... MANY ancient society's where women had equal rights.

Think about women today, they have it so good yet complain.. Do you think ancient women were any different? No amount is ever enough.

RecentRaspberry3 · 2020-10-28T04:22:04+00:00

Feminism was never needed and still isn't needed.

2020-10-28T02:53:21+00:00

Coddled would be a better word.

Estenar · 2020-10-28T10:29:32+00:00

Education: Women could not attend school till like 14st. (in my country). But like nobody really wanted to. Because making money and living was more important for most of " bourgeoisie" in those time. Not even all men attended schools. Women were educated in homes, because there were different needs in what men and women should do. Same with guys that worked for aristocracy - they were educated just because it was better for the aristocracy, men and women.
But at the end of the day, most people really did not wanted to study so, I would not say that they were oppressed.
With aristocracy in general, women and men had different roles in those social groups, so saying that one was oppressed and other were not is false statement. Men had to work on their seven knightly arts, women were taught how to be "princesses" I guess, everybody had their own role.

But if we skip to modern days, yes, there were some oppressing, but we think about that just now. Back in the days, it was pretty much normal that women stayed at home, suppose to be good wife and have the roles that men did not. Most women liked it and did not wanted to pursue let say business or medicine or dirty jobs, because lady should not suppose to do that.

When the first "real" feminist movement started in 1850 with Elizabeth Cady Stanton it was not just "white". Well, she thought black men having the right to vote before white women was bad, so she fought against it, and please, let me say, not many women wanted that, because having the right to vote was not just one side thing. She was middle class white women with good education... so it was pretty "Racist", because she also stated, that having black men the right to vote was bad, because they were not as much educated than white women.

If we are talking about modern day, yes, I would never say that women are not oppressed in some countries, but saying that young women in America or Europe is oppressed is also false statement. There is literary nothing that women can not do and being bad in some job or education is not because of being women - "I am oppressed in STEM field because men are trying to hit or me or they thing I am less than them" Which is 1. victim complex 2. not because of sex. Same with business or law, there is nothing like oppression based on gender. Just because you do not have the emotional stability, does not mean that it is because of sex. I would never pursue many job carriers because I do not have the "balls" and personality.

If we wanna talk about dating, shaming etc. It is not just women who experience bad stuff. Men also. Women shame others, men do it too.
Rape - having victim complex - "oh I can not go out at night because of rape", that is bullshit also. I would never go out at night when I know it is bad neighborhood, nothing to do with sex.
Mental retardation, autism, ADHD, all those diseases are generally more shown in men than women, men having more responsibilities, there is bigger pressure on men in terms of social worth, men die younger, men having all those dirty and nasty jobs that women do not wanna do, men need to try more in dating... and I could continue.
I do not really wanna go to that rabbit hole if men/women has it worse or better in general.

And for the end, stating that women were oppressed thru the history does not mean that they are now, this arguments is stupid on so many levels and I really hate when women brigs that up in debate. Men and women have much more, than people had thru history. Speak for yourself, not for you ancestors, you are not them.

GAlternate · 2020-10-28T09:52:03+00:00

Women were once unable to vote. A wage gap was once legal. There was a time where they needed signatures from their husbands to buy a house or car. That's just three examples.

notwantingbiokids · 2020-10-28T04:48:09+00:00

Actually yes they were and some still are ,like in some areas of the world girls die just because they go to school or are married off at 13 . In the us it is still legal to marry off your underage daughter to an older man with consent . Not to mention sex traffic

OkLetterhead10 · 2020-10-28T12:57:07+00:00

Read this https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/jhsdrr/the_core_of_the_problem/

trash62 · 2020-10-29T19:13:18+00:00

Everyone was oppressed. Life was really, really, really tough.

There was never a patriarchy, at least not as it has been described. A world that sends little boys into coal mines and chimneys, places men in the disposable positions where they are more likely to be killed so that women's odds of survival are increased (and therefore the childrens odds of survival) cannot be called a patriarchy.

No one ever points out that "a woman s place is in the kitchen" might just as easily be used to shame the man for allowing her to do his work. A variation of "real men" keeping their wives safe, in the kitchen. But of course, that point of view is NEVER discussed. It's far more useful if feminists claim it was oppressing women.

I think baby boomers are exceptionally greedy. That includes baby boomer women who wanted all roles for themselves and their daughters.

Their daughters were taught to hate men and these women went on to teach their daughters to fear men, and that men are predatory enemies. By now, feminists have all but removed fatherhood.

They want ALL the roles.

Now that they have all the roles, "science" is discovering that masculinity is toxic and that women are superior to men in most ways.

The thing that's really important to realize is that women don't look at men the way men look.at women. Women seek validation and approval, mostly from other women. They don't actually care what men think of them.

Men, (at least the blue pilled idiots) trip over themselves to demonstrate their devotion to women, and women's causes and feminism and women's rights.

Women were "oppressed" but so we're men. It's just that men once had roles, but greedy baby boomer feminists wanted them all.

CoolDEpot · 2020-10-29T03:21:51+00:00

I think all fo that its nonsense that doesnt consider the historical circusntances.
Men were the ones dying on the battlefield and working to death on the coal mines so there was no preferable gender to be the life of everybody in the past was horrible.

For example, why did women not have the right to vote ion the past?
Well think for a second about what politics used to be in the past, it wasnt about muh rights and free healthcare, it was almost only about wars and workers (slavish work like coal mines), wich was all male activities that women did not want to be part of, so why would women vote on how men go to die in wars and work on the cola mines? It doesnt make sense.

Title	Please educate me :)
Author	SnooPears1793
Upvotes	7
Comments	22
Date	October 28, 2020 2:29 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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