Let's end this.

cafeorange · 2018-07-31T22:09:49+00:00

I dont hate women. Just dont want to deal with their shit and focus on myself. Seriously i just come here for the funny post and help others if convenient within my knowledge. Work/game/exercise already took up most of our time, definitely no time for male version of feminism that kind of bs.

uh_huh_ya_dont_say · 2018-07-31T22:30:37+00:00

It’s a response to feminism, not the male version.

The best thing about this is you as a mgtow you don’t give a fuck about what they think or say. They complain, shame, and demonize is because we’re a threat to their movement.

Imo, if enough men were mgtow women would naturally change to attract the mgtow. We’re men that would otherwise be white knights and beta bucks that women rely on. If the beta/wk’s dissapear, a different woman will emerge seeking a mgtow man. That would equalize the playing field.

Ignore their shit. Do your thing. Cut the bullshit out of your life.

vega-mgtow · 2018-07-31T22:17:25+00:00

I'd recommend honing your skills in the Art Of Not Giving A Fuck.

Do not engage. They hold no power over you.

801735 · 2018-07-31T22:07:02+00:00

is there no middle?

Of course there is a middle... finger to it all. Fuck dat noise. If you want to read on the middle fingerlessness, go to redpillwomen and other fairy tale lands, pua, trp, purpleballs I mean pills... that's about it.

anongogogo · 2018-07-31T22:51:57+00:00

I'm totally fine living life alone. As for what women think I don't give a shit. What I hate is simps/whiteknights and cucks that enable women to act like total retards without any regard.

mgtow-zen · 2018-07-31T22:49:52+00:00

MGTOW isn't the male version of feminism, per say, BUT if feminism is understood to mean female supremacism, then yes, for many, MGTOW is just another supremacy group. This disturbs me, too.

Who hasn't been hurt by women? Isn't it a little curious they use such a thing to invalidate you? Would you say to a woman, "men hurt you" and so therefore the concerns about things like domestic violence, breast cancer, rape, etc. . are not valid.

See the pattern?

Women == innocent. Men == guilty

Men hurt you, so your complaint about rape is not valid. You are just imagining things because someone hurt you.

There are a great deal of articles that completely omit facts, too. For example, in this #metoo popularity contest, when was the last time you heard a reporter inquire about how those who didn't get the job were victims? How come the context is always that the one who got the job is a victim? Why don't journalists phrase it as "the only reason she got hired was because she performed oral sex, and that isn't fair to the other candidates. Is this not shuffling the facts to fit a narrative?

The boys going MGTOW is a little sad, but if they are able to learn vicariously through the mistakes of the older gents, hats off to them. I'm all for boys going MGTOW.

I've seen mothers treat their sons like mules, moms don't love their sons. Do you think they'd tolerate a school system that drugs their girls? Yet, they DO tolerate a system that drugs the boys.

Also, in the school system (as is everywhere else) boys are taught that they are inherently defective and must some how 'earn" the privilege of being valued as much as the girls.

The fact that 15 year old boys are going MGTOW tells me that they've caught on, and aren't buying into it.

This is a huge step, it's a positive step because if this happens earlier on, they won't have the hopes that come from years of being indoctrinated into a fairy tale.

But yea, it does make me a little sad. I think in prior years, they might have had fathers to prepare them, but men have been almost entirely purged from the parenting process, so the boys are doing the best they can.

I don't believe in AWALT the way most MGTOW men do. I think of it in Maslow terms, and indeed, everyone is like that (men AND women) it's a challenge to be aware of it.

There are nice women out there, too. Lots of nice women. Good hearted, kind women who never asked for any of this feminist bullshit, who never wanted to be anything but equal, and, just like us, simply want to be happy.

In my view, we need to change the rules for relationships, we need to change the way we value each other. Even if you find one of these nice women (they really are everywhere) it's still impossible to get into a relationship with one, because the rules of this stupid old game demand the participants be miserable.

Besides, the legal system is so screwed up that the tables are automatically against you, so even if she's a wonderful woman, the dynamics and society rules are still going to bite you, and ultimately, her.

I hear you about being lonely and sometimes that's an issue for me. Spirituality is the key in this department. As odd as it is, I sometimes feel like I'm depriving a woman (or women?) and I'm not happy about it.

I do love women, but I no l no longer worship them. I see them as my equal because I know that I've been female in other lifetimes, and I know we all want the Love of our Creator. (Or, more specifically, want to remember that we already have it)

re_all · 2018-07-31T22:52:36+00:00

we MGOTW are the male version of feminism. Is it true? Are we just a bunch of guys gathering around and hating on women?

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No, we are not. Consider the result, not the stated purpose of feminism. We have an entire society's equilibrium thrown into chaos for the cause of 'muh feelings'

MGTOW is leaving the house of that spoiled kid who always changed the rules of a game because she wanted to win. The thought process of MGTOW is 'not attempting to regain power,' we are attempting to go our own way.

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Because I've seen a fair amount of posts on this subreddit that would prove that point. But is that one of our principles? I highly doubt that.

It isn't part of the thought process of MGTOW. Unfortunately; the outside perception of the "phrase-given-meaning" is not so principled. Perception can be shifted and warped to suit whomever's needs. The unfortunate reality is the perception that is in power; is gynocentric.

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most of us have been hurt by women, and as a defense mechanism we automatically hate all women and go our own way.

Did you know that my ex brainwashed my child, and nearly drove me to suicide? But even now I do not hate her.

Your statement about MGTOW's thought processes being brought forth by being hurt, as if it were a bad thing. Ever go outside 'just to get the mail' or 'throw out the trash' and step on glass?

People who do that, typically wear shoes afterwards for many many years, if not the rest of their lives.

Is it right to say your foot will get cut everytime?

No, that's ridiculous.

Yet, the extra effort it takes to put on foot wear is more than enough to protect against the risk of getting your foot cut. We do not ask strangers 'if they've ever been hurt' if we see them wearing shoes. We understand and acknowledge the risk/benefit analysis of wearing shoes.

Yet, the glass tries to screech and scream that 'not all shards are like that'

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good and successful marriages out there? Where a woman helps a man build his empire instead of stealing from him everything?

The divorce statistics are approximately 60% of marriage that ends in divorce.

Every MGTOW, who truly understands the thought process behind it understand that the risk/benefit ratio of relationships and interactions with women are so lop-sided that the decision is as obvious as it is stupid.

SCENARIO	RISK	BENEFIT
Marriage	All financial stablity	Not being alone
Relationship	All freedom	not being alone

Of course, my table is not a very detailed or thorough. But you get the idea. The risks and benefits I outline entail a great deal. Scratching the surface if it were.

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But what shocked me the most, is that there are boys as young as 15, that have decided to go MGTOW. Why would you at such a young age, decide to do that

Because they are watching their fathers, older brothers, friends... or the fathers and brothers of those friends get screwed

Are you so unaware that the 15 year olds of this generation were being born in a world where Facebook was around when they were 1 year old?

These kids have access to the very memes we jeer at from the age when they can use a tablet or a computer. They see the examples because mommy and daddy post it on Facebook or the internet. They are witnesses to this gynocentric world, the males already know what is in store for them. In fact! They see stories of the effects of gynocetnricism to their very peers! They know the risks as we did when we were a decade older than them.

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I don't get what's happening. Are there really no "good" women out there?

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There might. And many true MGTOW would admit it.

HOWEVER!

Again, put up the risks vs benefits list. The better and bigger question is this;

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"Did I truly win the 'woman lottery?' "

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Did the man find a woman who would be decently looking, loyal, faithful, soft spoken, feminine?

Odds are is = no.

Don't you agree? And don't put up anything that speaks of "culture" and "other countries." I've looked into those other countries. Did you know that most of those "other countries" that have "better women" are rife with prostitution? Are men so blind?

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Are we not better than them?

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Yes, we are objectively better.

Reason = instead of attempting to wrestle power or retribution against women. We just want to go home, and be left alone with our lives and our stuff. But they screech and demand we give them that, and our happiness.

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As final idea, I would like to discuss this: Are we bound to live a life of solitude? Do you not want to have kids? Do you not want to teach your sons values and principles that you have held so dear? Is that such an impossible concept for us?

MGTOW is nothing less than the acceptance of this reality as it exists, and not as we are told. In this, we make a tactical decision to walk away from the risks and the powers that can take away our hard earned money, and our freedoms. It is unfortunate... but many MGTOW were initially deceived that he could have a woman in his life, a helpmeet, a person who would have his back. He then learns that he does not have someone to help him. And So, he goes his own way. There is no help or love. And if there is, the risk of obtaining it... is not nearly worth the price of losing again.

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It closes many paths, and one of them being fatherhood. A man can make that sacrifice if he must. He understands inherently that sacrifice is a part of life. For women, they think its compromise where they get what they want no matter what.

is there no middle?

No... full stop.

Reason = The trajectory feminism is going is nothing less than the completely and ultimate subjection of all men. No rights, just slaves.

Men going their own way, and voting, and willing to die is the only way to prevent such a future. Because it is men who gives women power. If all the men in unison stood, and slapped the shit out of every single woman whom they have authority over... sisters, daughters, wives.... I'm talking litteraly slapping them until they shit their pants, and lays down the law- there would be nothing they could do about it.

And in truth, if the reverse happened; the end result would be the same; the men will eventually have had enough of slapping, and turn around and use their fists... damned be the consequences.

Men are the protectors of the race, and woman can never dethrone us of that.

Whew

You write a lot. The thought processes that we have given the title "MGTOW" exists with our without our conscious effort. The very tenants of MGTOW is that of the self. Self destiny, self realization, self freedom.

If woman enhance these things, great.

If not, we can... and will get it on our own.

Edited = formatting

Tipofthemorni · 2018-07-31T22:16:18+00:00

There is no compromise when it comes to the truth, I'm very sorry lady.

blaizken_420 · 2018-08-01T00:52:35+00:00

Kids are not only as much of a burden on relationships are, but they tend to make that issue even worse.

Ghustgan · 2018-08-01T07:36:47+00:00

is there no middle.

Doesn't appear to be. The cause of that? Selfishness. Lots of guys out there are absolutely willing to risk their neck for their woman or their family, yet nobody is willing to do the same from the other side. Calling them out on that is absolutely fair. The more men start taking care of themselves, the better in my opinion.

Are we just a bunch of guys gathering around and hating on women?

Yes and no. We aren't "together" in this OP. I'm not here to support you, nor help you. Although I MAY do that anyway since I'm nice like that. We're not a movement, we're not really a community. We don't know each other and don't really care about each other. There are lots of guys around here who post stuff that prove feminists right. There's irony around here to be had for sure. You're also free to call them out. I do it and I've seen others do it as well.

drinking away their problems and reading "sophisticated" books telling themselves that they've done the right thing

There is no "right thing". You simply make choices. Everything is a cope in the end, since life has no meaning. You just do that which you think is best for you (within reason ofc).

"MGTOW" is nothing more than people choosing to remain bachelors. Do not make the mistake of labeling any of us here as a unit and also don't do it to yourself. Individuality is key. If they closed the sub tomorrow I wouldn't care. Why should I? It doesn't affect my life. I know what I want to do with my life. This is also why I don't care what others say about "MGTOW". The way I see it none of us here have any reason to be offended by any of the stuff they say. Don't let others dictate nor affect how you should live your life.

That being said, this subreddit is an echo chamber just like every other subreddit out there. I mean, that's kinda the point. The deal with this subreddit is, the guys here tell you "the juice ain't worth the squeeze". It's up to you to follow that advice or not. It's your life, the rest of us don't really care.

MaGeTOW · 2018-08-04T19:27:08+00:00

Let's end this. Because I can't stand being criticized with the truth.

The OP reads like a woman that is Concern Trolling.

Are we bound to live a life of solitude?

It's not an all or nothing issue, if you consider solitude an issue.
When you want alone time you have the option, since there's no woman (NAWALT/AWALT) that you can't kick out of your place.
When you want company you can go look for it or invite it in your home.

Do you not want to have kids?

Surrogacy for those who want kids.

Do you not want to teach your sons values and principles that you have held so dear?

That's up to the father.
My heart is squirting with emotions!

Is that such an impossible concept for us?

Answered.
Fatality!

Title	Let's end this.
Author	kodechamp
Upvotes	11
Comments	23
Date	July 31, 2018 10:03 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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