Let's talk for a second - I'm genuinely curious.

Marque01 · 2019-01-25T14:49:13+00:00

Shaming language :) So very feminist of you

Later cuckboy. You lost me at Who hurt you

user_miki · 2019-01-25T14:39:17+00:00

AXIOM:A blue pill guy will never understand red pill until he swallowed it.

They can be both manipulative.The difference is that the manipulative women nothing will happen to moreover the society rewards her to be like that.

On the other hand the manipulative guy risks to loose his job ,go in jail for many years or got killed.

We already have tones of examples.

If you don't see the difference see my first sentence.

1-800-CALL-MGTOW · 2019-01-25T15:03:27+00:00

I've dated dozens of women, very happy silly person. Ambitious, tall, etc. Mgtow are the opposite of incel, we don't want validation from women, that is all that incels want. Look bud, all of the content here seems resentful and inflammatory but the vocal minority are generally the recently scorned or those trying to fight against their sex drive. This sub is simply a defense mechanism. Both men and women have shitty instincts and nature's but while men's bad tendencies are generally curbed, women's are not. The bad aspects of their nature are encouraged. So while the laws are against us in family courts and the Duluth model and etc we are just disengaging. Look up solipsism, hypergamy, briffaults law, etc. When these things are unbound terrible societal shifts occur.

Xuppy · 2019-01-25T14:37:55+00:00

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cypresstalker · 2019-01-25T14:41:26+00:00

This says more about your need for female validation than it says about us being hurt.

"Who hurt you?"- really bro? come up with somthing new. I've heard that all before. Its none of your business if I opt out of relationships. We just want to be left tf alone

swankvagabond · 2019-01-25T14:44:47+00:00

Calling MGTOW as incels? Aww how cute.

Next time, try to come up with knowledge and learn a little bit about MGTOW before you make a fool of yourself.

jkarovskaya · 2019-01-25T15:05:48+00:00

Because I don't want dating, relationships, or marriage I'm "narcissistic"?

Your entire diatribe belies your facetious assertion at face value, because by definition, narcissists seek adulation and attention, which is completely antipodal to the argument.

You're premise and accusations are beyond ludicrous, as you just assume that MGTOW men must not be

"genuinely likeable, have some kind of hobby, a decent job, keep up with personal hygeine"

WTF are you delusional, having a psychotic break, or just remarkably naive?

You're accusing 89,000 total strangers of behaviors without knowing a single one of us?

Then you finally wander off into Dr Phil territory, and preemptively spew out your diagnosis that MGTOW can't admit our own faults, and must really just be Incel.

In the arena of intellectual prowess, you qualify as naive, specious, and a troll of pure ignorance

Marque01 · 2019-01-25T14:50:18+00:00

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Astral-Projector · 2019-01-25T15:23:20+00:00

Hey soyboy betacuck. Relax and GTFO

REMAINSkull · 2019-01-25T15:24:51+00:00

What an npc, snowflake said “who hurt you” what a fucking loser

REMAINSkull · 2019-01-25T15:26:13+00:00

You tucked your balls into your ass with this post didn’t you ?

TigPlaze · 2019-01-25T15:26:33+00:00

You haven't dug very deep, if you drag out the old "you're an incel" cliché. Almost every MGTOW I've ever met has had the ability to get laid. Our bad experiences come from having gotten laid and having been in relationships. We've determined we're better off opting out. Of course you think that's sexist. Feminist shaming makes everything sexist that doesn't bow to their agenda. Some dudes aren't playing the game. Get over it.

NathanHollister · 2019-01-25T15:21:47+00:00

Rage is the first part of the redpill grief cycle. We have gotten a lot of new guys lately, and they are just starting down the path to MGTOW. Realizing that the game is rigged and deciding not to play is just the first step.

Lots of men have been hurt by evil women and the gynocentric society. So we have a community for those who no longer wish to live on the plantation (associate with women). Being MGTOW is about living your best life and seeking to improve yourself, and taking measures to ensure that women can't stop your success.

Most MGTOW men are normal, likeable people who have stable careers, hobbies, and good personal hygiene. It's easy to assume that everyone you disagree with sites in mom's basement, is unemployed, smokes weed all day, and never showers, but that isn't an accurate representation of the MGTOW community and using ad hominem attacks undermines your credibility. Nobody will believe you want to have a rational conversation if all you do is call names. Also, nearly 20% of the men in the USA identify with MGTOW, although many of them will not talk about it IRL.

MGTOW and incel are completely different groups. You stated it yourself when you mentioned all the posts of guys getting burned. If MGTOW can't get women, how do they keep getting burned by their girlfriends/wives? The reality is that MGTOW are men who can get women, but choose to avoid them because the juice aint worth the squeeze. Incels are people who can't get girls. Most MGTOWs became MGTOW because they got burned by a woman, which disproves the theory that they are incels.

MGTOW isn't narcissism, it's choosing to worry about oneself instead of living life to benefit women you don't even know. In a society where men are considered expendable, men are forced to put themselves first.

Sol_Install · 2019-01-25T15:31:41+00:00

MGTOW being a fancy term for incel? Then explain MGTOW who have kids. Also, let's say we were Incels. Does getting prove anything wrong? No, it doesn't. Let's say you're falsely accused of rape/DV/child molestation/etc. If you got laid, does that save you? Will that be your defense in court? If a woman harms herself then accuses YOU of it, when the White Knights want to bash your face in, does getting laid save you? Tell the cops that. I guess the reason some men lost everything in divorce was because they were incels? Surely getting laid explains why so called Real Men are scared of nagging women.

MGTOW has never denied there being shitty men. What would be the point? We're not women who are scared of criticism. Yes, in a relationship there are two people. I will admit that I was not 100% perfect or innocent in my past encounters. I have done things that I am ashamed of and regret.

You believe that MGTOW cannot accept their own faults. This is funny. Because we know which half of humanity gets blamed for everything and it's men. You seem to think MGTOW is just about men who have a bad experience in a relationship with women and didn't get laid. This is ridiculous and pretty much is why MGTOW will keep existing.

The fact is that women do get more support than men do. Men are told to Man Up i.e. we don't care because you're not a woman. Men are assumed guilty/the monster in every situation. Men are more than happy to be violent towards men on the word of a woman. There is a double standard in which men are expected to cater to women(chivarly/provider/protector/gentlemen) yet there is no standard for women. There is no "Male Defense Group." There is endless supply of posters like you who think this about not getting laid and how we are to endlessly pursue women because only men can be seen in a negative manner. Fact is that women are what men are hated for. They've shown it time and time again and men defend them.

Want to rape children? Be a woman. Want to beat on children and not be called a coward? Be a woman. Want to cry/bitch/nag/etc? Be a woman. Don't feel like working? Be a woman. Want to publicly spit on someone and get away with it? Be a woman. Murder someone and people will look for someone to blame be a woman. Want other people to violently defend your image even when you are in the wrong? Be a woman.

Men are seen as monsters. When men point out anything women do, it's "sexist." But it's not sexist to assume a man is a pervert, virgin loser, etc? Tell a woman to get in the kitchen, it's sexist and offensive. But yet men are expected to fight other men for women they don't even know and even take bullets. When men have nothing, they are seen as nothing. Once a man has money, he is expected to just fork it over for women.

You can sit here and bash us all you want, but everyone knows that men turn into feral dogs who attack men who don't worship women. We as men are free to fight and be vicious to each other. The minute a woman does the same to a man, no one cares. You don't see men trying to co opt female dominated fields. You don't see people flipping out when a man cracks another man in the jaw saying, "You don't treat men like that." When people shit on men, no one cries sexism/bitterness/etc.

Women didn't push us from everything. It's the fact that women can do whatever men are hated for, they get away with it when caught, men are seen as monsters, men support women even when they are wrong, men are punished more harshly than women. Standards in the military, police, fire fighters all lower standards to carry women. Men will think men are scum yet only want one around to have more money for their daughter. Men are mocked for whatever they go through. Unlike women. "It's hate." Yet when women do it, it's valid and true right?

Also, I get along with people fine.

NathanHollister · 2019-01-25T15:33:32+00:00

Haha nice going guys we chased the cuck away. Either he got banned, or got sick of losing Karma

Black-Barron · 2019-01-25T15:39:38+00:00

I don’t like to use a label to describe myself. I just live my life and do my own thing. You can call me MGTOW, but my only goal in life is to make me happy and focus on continuing to improve my life. I haven’t been hurt and I don’t hate women. I just like to question and criticize the double standards in society when it comes to the unfair treatment men receive.

I’m all for gender equality, but you can’t cherrypick what you desire. Which is what a lot feminist do. I cant speak for all men on this sub because everyone has their own opinions. But I will say I’m sure a lot the men here have a similar mindset. Such as not hating women or just living my life the way I want to.

I don’t need validation from anyone but myself. I don’t understand why people assume we’re all sexist pigs who hate women, because we got hurt or some other shit reason. Are there some sexist men who hate women in this sub? Maybe, but I’m not responsible for the actions of what others do.

But this is just my opinion, this sub is not a movement and we’re not in a big group think mentality. We’re just a group of dudes talking about shit that interest us. Some of us have similar opinions, but don’t generalize this entire sub for the actions of a small few.

Atton_Risk · 2019-01-25T16:11:49+00:00

>Now I'm absolutely not MGTOW, and frankly this entire sub sounds insane to me.

Do some basic reading into MGTOW watch a few of Bar Bar's videos, it helps a lot.

>Let's talk about this shit, for a minute. My biggest question is, how pleasant are all of you to be around? Are you genuinely likeable, have some kind of hobby, a decent job, keep up with personal hygeine?

Ignorance is not a virtue if anything the men here tend to be considerably more wealth than the average man.

>Despite this I also very strongly think that there are manipulative people ON BOTH SIDES. Maybe you don't notice it as much because you wouldn't want sex from a guy, but there are some fucking manipulative men out there, too. There's shitty people in life. Get over it.

Irrelevant women who wish to for example violate their martial vows almost always win custody and the vast majority of their partners wealth. All of this while they directly violate their martial oath, in addition they can trivially exploit the legal system to destroy you in a kangaroo court.

>Honestly, "MGTOW" seems like a fancy term for "incel". All of you who consider yourself MGTOW have been hurt by someone

No I can only speak for myself but I can say I was never "hurt" I only came to look just beyond the surface of the status quo. Go read up on the ERA, go read Hermesmann v. Seyer then go and consider how domestic violence is defined and its potential to be abused. Consider the and the eventual end that came to Robyn Williams and the nature of his suicide. If you ever actually spent the time to read into this I can assure you, that your thinking will be permanently changed.

MarketWatcher9456 · 2019-01-25T15:16:25+00:00

See you again after your divorce rape.

Good luck blue pill.

Title	Let's talk for a second - I'm genuinely curious.
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Date	January 25, 2019 2:35 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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