Being red pilled and going to job interviews is strange. I haven't been hired yet, and am currently employed, so I don't need a job, but getting a higher paying job will help me pay off my debts faster and save up more money. I usually make it through the multiple interviews (hiring manager, HR, upper management) and seeing things through a red pill lens is just strange to say the least.
I'm applying for jobs I've got about 12 years of experience for. Having a super bubbly early 20 something ask me stupid non-technical questions is draining. Why do you care what I do during long weekends? Why do you care what sort of sports I like, or don't like? What color would I be if I was a box of crayons? I know these questions are to determine if I'm a "good fit" (i.e., take shit with a grin and ask for more) so I've got some canned answers that get me through.
It's when I start getting into the interview with upper management (males) that things go south. I'm not a very good liar, and hate liars. When distilled from their corporate lexicon questions coming at me are things like "would you lie to make management look good?" (fuck no) "would you break a contract if given a better offer from another/competing client" (no) "would you be willing to bait and switch a customer to bump up numbers?" (again, no). I've made direct eye contact with the interviewer and asked "what would you do?" Of course the answer to the aforementioned questions is "yes" in some sort of smiling-through-gritted-teeth-slimy-way. I've had multiple interviewers (low - T males) tell me straight up how they protect the wymens in the office from all the predatory males they come into contact with throughout the day. One topic that came up during in r/theredpill was the idea of the "corporate harem" and this hit close to home as I've been asked to cover for management out on "extended lunch breaks" with the secretary when the wifey shows up and wants to know where chairman-of-the-board-so-and-so-is. Ridiculous.
I did some trade work early in my life but found the whole "family owned" business to be bullshit. I was also tired of having some female who ran the office telling me what to do when she didn't have a clue as to what made the business money or what made clients happy. 9/10 she was there because some manager wanted to fuck her...or "my pedo son got caught pedo-ing and he's in legal trouble-the company isn't where we want it to be financially-but I need 50k in lawyer fees to cover his ass so what he got caught doing to the little league doesn't happen to him in prison -so we can't give you a raise." Absolutely disgusting.
Fortunately I've got art commissions (side business) coming in which keeps my mind off of how stupid things seem to be. Just wanted to get things off my chest. Any mgtow on here willing to share their stories about ridiculous interviews/job situations?
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Isn't it funny how that works? When you're there, and doing the work of everyone else, it isn't noticed. The credit gets taken and you're shit on. But the second you leave, and that work is no longer being done, it all crashes into a flaming wreck -and then suddenly everybody is all confused as to why and what went wrong.
Even better, and more of a slap in the face, when you're about to jump ship, if they so much as get a hint that the single person who's holding the place together is about to leave.... they scurry like rats to find some way to keep you, everything possible short of actually treating you decent and paying you what you're worth. That's when the bullshit titles get made out of thin air, you're offered some platitudes, or given some extra leave that just all of the sudden they thought you deserved.
The second you give in and stay, however, things just go back to status quo. You keep doing the jobs of the incompetent morons around you while they take the credit and shine to upper leadership.
The only way you truly win in these situations is to stop doing that extra shit. You have to realize that the business world is cut-throat and nasty. You have to finally swallow your pride and accept the fact that being two-faced and fake is what is required to succeed if you're going to work for anyone but yourself.
You want that promotion over the other guy? You've got to let him fail by not doing his work for him. Then, you've got to change your personality when you're around the higher leadership. You need to be the "corporate man" full of PC jargon and singing the company tune.
So many people who have excellent work ethic, technical skills, and operational wisdom fall short when it comes to the political game that apparently must be played in today's world. And that's completely and totally understandable. When I was younger, it used to absolutely disgust me to see people who would change how they act depending on whether they were working with operational staff, or talking to senior leadership.
I'd feel disgusted and think of them as two-faced liars who were self-interested fools trying to climb the corporate ladder. I still feel that way, but I finally understood that this is truly the way of the business world. You have to get on the level of those above you, you've got to be fake as fuck like you're wearing a mask in many instance.
If you happen to get incredibly lucky, you might find yourself working with actual professionals where that shit doesn't matter, and you can drop the facade and just do work. But 80% of the business world doesn't operate like that, due to the infestation of PC politics. You've got to dance around everyone like some strange play you're performing.
So what you do, is continue being the hardworking, steadfast professional that you are... you keep busting ass and outperforming everyone.. you continue to be the subject matter expert, the guy who knows his shit on his operational level. But at the same time, you stop picking up other peoples slack.
You start reading up on policy and procedure and you stick to those SOP's like your life fucking depends on it when someone comes and asks you to do their job for them. You use that shit as a weapon. And then you cover your ass by putting on that fake mask, and being Mr. PC Corporate Company Man and keeping your superiors in the loop and letting them know your number one priority is the success and welfare of the company above all else.
You'll make enemies along the way, but your job is not where you should make friends. In addition, leadership is inherently lonely the higher you go. This is to be expected.
Eventually, once you've ran the gauntlet of making it through your entry into middle management and getting into a position a little higher... you'll have some freedom and latitude to start focusing a little more on your core ideals once again.
As you're climbing the ranks, you've got to bow down to the hierarchy and accept the fact that you're operating under someone else's principles. But remember, eventually you can eventually be the guy who's principles are guiding things. That is, after all, the goal, isn't it?
There's a metric fuck ton of things you need to study on about leadership along the way, too. Just because you need to put on a mask and play a part in your journey doesn't mean you won't be striving to be a truly competent leader along the way. Those times where you've got to be "fake" are only out of necessity of your environment. It's a fragile dichotomy you've got to nurture. If you go full on plastic-surgery used car salesman, you'll flounder out around age 40 with nothing to show for it.
However, if you learn the ways of navigating this world successfully, you can still leave people in the dust and grab hold of greatness -even in this fucked up clown world we've found ourselves in. You just need to be able to adapt.
If you or any other dude here ever want some additional leadership/business world advice, I offer it freely.
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The modern business world has become a replacement to the social life for people. Young people struggle to have friends/families and have replaced it with their jobs. These very same young people are now dipping their feet into the human resources departments and other areas that control the workplace culture of corporate environments.
This has translated into your job being more about fitting in socially than it is about being technically adept or skilled at what you do. It has become more important to socially liked than it is to be hardworking and having integrity.
The places that have created these environments/are creating them should be avoided like the plague. They might be "fun" for awhile, but there is no growth potential there. Sure, you might be able to have six picnics a week and hang out with your buddies all day while bringing your dog into the office -but at what cost?
When you promote a social environment over a skilled workforce, nobody is going to be competent. Nor will they have incentive to be. Everyone will simply collect a paycheck and morph into one giant high school clique driven buddy system.
Nobody will be driven to develop professionally, because it will be based on social preferences over professional competencies. Then, when times get tough and the company needs to stand out from the competition, they will be generic and unattractive.
But I guess they can tell everyone it's a cool place to work. That's a fairly popular advertising sham these days. Until you talk to the people who are constantly walking out of the revolving door, the ones who aren't in the cliques that form.
Technical expertise in the field you're conducting business in should be the absolute top priority, above all else. Running social science projects in the workplace because someone in human resources with a humanities degree took a psychology class in college is not going to be beneficial long term, and doesn't align with reality.
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