Tradcons believe that "men and women are different and have complimentary traits". They reject feminism because they admit: "hey look, women have emotional and functional needs that they look to men to help fulfill, in return women give men children and help them navigate social channels".

But they ignore hypergamy, which says: "women are incapable of being satisfied by the majority of men, and will engage in relationships with them only expediently, with a deep emotional need to get something better to replace them."

Only the super ultra orthodox admit this, with their repressive social norms. Like Burkhas.

Well, MGTOW doesn't want women to wear burkhas. We just don't want to pay for women's choices that we can't control - like getting pregnant without having the resources to provide for the child. We don't want to give to a woman affection or anything else unless we get something satisfactory in return - in general. And we'd offer women the same basic right to determine her own relationships and roles for herself, and not expect her to fall into an exploitative relationship with anyone else.

Feminism denies obvious, proven differences between men and women and their preferences. It is hostile to men. It therefore seems to be a political program to advance female interests - making women into a political and social class, opposed to men. MGTOW and Tradcon both agree that men and women are different.

But Tradcon believes there's a happy medium where men and women can come together and find a balanced life together (as entire classes).

MGTOW acknowledges the nuance that female preferences cannot be satisfied by 1-to-1 pair bonding between the general populations of men and women.

Males do give up a polygamous desire when they pair bond, but most of them (70%+) seem to be able to make this sacrifice in exchange for the benefit.

When women were culturally dependent on men (not allowed in the workplace), and when men could afford to support a woman (salary and wages could feed mouths of woman who didn't work), then women were able to endure the arrangement. 15% cheating rate.

Without a marriage relationship, with working women, with a dating culture and hookup culture, with no-fault divorce that favors women, we see 80% of girls sleeping with 20% of men. We see over 50% of marriages fail, 75% of divorces initiated by women. We see evidence that women lie on surveys about their cheating rate. We see men with countless stories of female infidelity.

They aren't interested in relationships that men want: enduring bond through emotional and sexual intimacy. They want relationships of expediency. They want their emotions to be validated no matter what they are. They want sex with top men, and will share and wait their turn. And they want men to be socially and emotionally available to them for no reason at all except the expectation that someone out there will surely understand how important their emotions are. These male friends will hardly ever have intimate relations with the women, since there is no such thing as casual sensuality for women.

Wouldn't it be great to have sex with someone just because you trust them and know them? Yeah, it doesn't work that way.

There's no way to make this work, no without repressing somebody, or some class of people.

So, what do we do?

We wish feminism would chill out and wake up. But it won't.

So we go our own way. This is our gift to women, respecting them as humans first, and women second.

Think of it. They may lament our withdrawal from their lives, but frankly, it could never have worked out in the first place. Nature didn't design our preferences so that men could be satisfied. Neither did it plan for women to get satisfaction either.

There's no balance.