20M Committed Suicid due to False Rape Allegation from Minor Girl. Girl demanded 200k as Extortion. Police Demanded 100k as Bribe. He couldn't Arrange Money, sent to Jail & Hanged himself in Prison. How many Innocent Lives they gonna Take?

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No they aren't

They don't even listen to the man in any form of cases when women file them like sexual assault, domestic violence, dowry, harassment at workplace etc. especially if you are a middle class to rich woman after all those crocodile tears work universally

In fact any cases filed by women irrespective of social strata would be considered without questioning as more the cases like these more whitewashing they can do for their rep at the cost of the lives of falsely accused

Given that the laws are already biased towards men in India while projecting them as oppressors due to the past while laws themselves have changed in womens favour these disgusting feminists have started misusing POSCO as well as it's way more serious in terms of conviction considering it's literally capital punishment

This case needs to get viral but it won't given the media control by feminists themselves and these Indian feminists are even worse than Western feminists because before laws could get gender neutral like in West at least on paper they have pushed a narrative of being oppressed women in India even though they are the ones most privileged unlike poorer women her concentrating the power within such a small elite circle out of touch from reality and are pretty much amplified version of Western feminists with even less consequences

They enjoy the peivilege of victim card of being born in India yet want gender rights like the Western feminists while they hold off ammendment of gender neutral laws whenever it balances out their undue privilege

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Yes it's true

They very much control the narrative by removing and downplaying or derailing news like these via whataboutery or whitewash the womens image by calling her a victim to project the age old teated feminist victim card drama to garner sympathy from the third party and get a seal of approval from western feminists

They even targetted all the men related subreddits and getting them eventually banned despite the fact that there is more hate speech of feminist subreddits yet they are up and running

So much for free speech smh and btw they clearly state that men are not allowed which is against reddit tos yet they whine and screech when subreddits say that women are not allowed

You should post them on Indian meme and dank meme subreddits for reach as ironically the serious “non biased” subreddits apart from this subreddit thankfully make jokes out of serious cases like this as the feminists quickly gather there to mass report, verbal name shaming like "rapist" and "incel" while downvote in an attempt to silence the person after all mass false reporting is not far from their antics of falsely accusing men

It's just that the place is different

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Yeah we have seen how much fairness 4th generation feminism has promoted in such a short span and should be the last one to even talk about equality and fairness as these terms they advocate especially when it given them an advantage using the victim card

Never seen women fighting for jobs in oil rigs, plumbing, sewage cleaning, mechanics etc. they only want cushy high profile jobs

Even in army most retire prematurely because they can’t keep up with the pressure but it’s only due to feminism they are pushing for the narrative men and women are physically equal

Men shouldn’t be paid more is a different story but the problem rn is women are being hired and promoted more due to diversity than their actual skill

Most women I knew had more marks than me academically on paper and I am talking about a tier 1 institution here but when it actually came to competitive exams they couldn’t even crack it after multiple attempts despite marks relaxation but they were always high up their asses that women are smarter and more skilled than men because that’s what they have been fed as, a mere delusion while I managed to crack in 2nd attempt and even at times in the first attempt due to hard work as men don’t have such luxury

Even in my university majority of female professors were terrible and always mumbling and such thing would otherwise have gotten a male professor fired

If this is the situation in top colleges imagine how terrible they would be in lower tier institution and when women don’t get promoted in cases where there isn’t male bias they quickly resort to protests and victim card

The reason male are paid more and women less was due to sexism yes but it’s only the partial truth nowadays given that the wages are similar if not better for women due to initiatives and feminist propaganda for years

The real fact is men do riskier jobs, work harder and had the financial responsibility of the house so given traditional gender roles men were given more than women

Still to this day women in India have the privilege to do or not do a job, it’s an optional thing for them and if they don’t they shouldn’t blame men for their choices and whine about it as there are other people in way worse situations and the fact they get to whine while doing nothing itself is a big privilege

For men here it is either a do or die situation nothing in between yet women here keep acting like there feelings are more important than the ground realities and hardships men face

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You have an answer for all the queries in your reply itself.

had the financial responsibility of the house so given traditional gender roles men were given more than women

This !! This reason is part of the sexism faced. If men are given higher salaries simply because they are perceived to be the "providers," then that is indeed sexism. In any professional environment, salaries should be based on objective factors such as skills, output, experience, education, and the value an individual brings to the job, not on gender-based roles or societal perceptions of who is a provider. The provider role of men is one of the root cause of many problems -

1) Men feel pressured to take on high-risk or physically demanding jobs, often at the expense of their health and well-being as they're considered to be provider among other reasons which leaves them with no choice but to be a provider which then forces women to be caregiver but nowadays you would see some women doing jobs along with taking care of children and household chores which puts double the amount of pressure than men on their shoulders, so how you think women are whining and are privileged lmao. Women are discouraged from pursuing careers in high-demand fields, especially those involving physical labor, due to societal expectations that prioritize men as the breadwinners. Many women are not entering physically demanding roles (like construction, oil rigs, or plumbing) because of societal norms that suggest these jobs are 'men’s work.

2) Women used to and still face biases that prevent them from being hired or promoted in these fields, as companies may prioritize male candidates who fit the traditional mold of the provider , hence the introduction of gender diversity in many organisations. diversity isn’t about giving women an advantage over men , it’s about leveling the playing field where historically there have been biases that limited opportunities for women and minorities as men were considered provider. It doesn’t mean unqualified women are being handed jobs or promotions—those women still have to prove their competence like anyone else. You can't ignore the hard work put by women to pass the exams.Once women are in, they still have to meet the same standards and perform just as well as men. Over time, as gender gaps close, these measures can be adjusted

3)now along with traditional provider stereotype other factors exist that explain why more men traditionally work in jobs like oil rigs, plumbing, sewage cleaning, and mechanics - (a) people from higher socioeconomic backgrounds, regardless of gender, often don't pursue jobs like plumbing or sewage cleaning. It's more about class and social standing than gender alone. Men from these backgrounds also don’t work in these fields as much. Example - you won't see son or daughter of Ambani doing work like this. (B) It's not just women who aim for “cushy, high-profile” jobs , both men and women pursue higher-paying, less physically demanding careers as part of economic advancement. The preference for certain jobs isn’t solely gender-based. it’s about career aspirations, financial stability, and job satisfaction.

4) Feminism literally acknowledges that men and women may have physical differences, but it advocates for giving women the choice to participate in fields like the military. This means that women who meet the physical standards required for the job should be allowed to serve, just like men. Both men and women can retire prematurely or leave physically demanding jobs like the army. This isn't unique to women. High-pressure jobs often lead to early exits for many reasons—injuries, mental health, or simply being unfit for the lifestyle.

Even in my university the majority of female professors were terrible and always mumbling and such thing would otherwise have gotten a male professor fired

If this is the situation in top colleges imagine how terrible they would be in a lower tier institution and when women don’t get promoted in cases where there isn’t male bias they quickly resort to protests and victim card

5) The issue you're describing isn’t about gender, it’s about power dynamics and institutional politics. From my own experience, both male and female professors can be good or bad. For example, in my university, we had a male professor who didn’t complete the syllabus, taught different material, and gave exam questions unrelated to what was taught. Yet, he wasn’t fired. We also had a male professor known for inappropriate behavior, even blackmailing a female student for a date, but he’s still in a powerful position at the university. Similarly, in the recent Kolkata RG Kar Medical College case, the principal wasn’t fired despite the situation but was simply transferred to Calcutta University. This shows that it's not always about gender but often about the influence, wealth, or connections a person holds, which can shield them from consequences. When women ot men protest or speak up about not being promoted, it's not about playing the 'victim card.' It’s about calling out genuine cases of bias or unequal treatment. Just because some people might misuse these systems doesn’t invalidate the larger, legitimate concerns of many women who still face systemic barriers in promotions or hiring.

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It's interesting how you shifted the conversation to 'urban women being privileged,' but that doesn't address any of the points I made earlier about the systemic oppression women still face, even in urban settings. For example-

1) Even highly educated urban women face a gender pay gap and are underrepresented in leadership positions. Studies show that men are often promoted more frequently than women despite similar qualifications. In many sectors, women are still expected to conform to traditional gender roles and face biases like being deemed "too emotional" for leadership.

2) Urban women aren't automatically shielded from sexual harassment, whether at work or in public spaces.

3) Violence against women is a critical issue in both rural and urban settings. Just because a woman lives in a city doesn't mean she's free from domestic abuse, coercion, or even honor-based violence. In fact, many urban men still exert control over women through financial dependency, societal norms, or emotional manipulation which is most of the result of patriarchy led psychological issues.

4) Despite being in urban settings, many women struggle to get equal rights to property. Patriarchal family structures often prevent women from inheriting or owning property, and this issue isn’t exclusive to rural areas. In urban India, it's common for property to be passed primarily to male heirs, leaving women with little to no ownership and my family is literally the same and i am an urban woman. Any little property that i would even own would go for dowry.

5) Urban women often lose their individual identity after marriage, as they are expected to adopt their husband's name and identity, conforming to traditional norms. This includes changing their surname, which is still a societal expectation in many parts of urban India, stripping women of their personal identity and reducing them to the role of a wife or mother. Leaving their parents and going to the husband's parents and house.

And if i now make the list of cultural and religious oppression faced by women especially in islam regardless of rural or urban settings, you'd still think women are more privileged lol.

1) (a) in both Hindu and Islamic communities, women are often judged based on their adherence to modesty and purity. A woman’s worth is frequently tied to her sexual behavior, clothing, and adherence to traditional gender roles

In some urban Islamic families, women are expected to adhere to strict dress codes, such as wearing the hijab, niqab, or burqa, even when they may not want to. Many face family or societal pressure, limiting their autonomy over how they present themselves. There's literally honour killing of women for not wearing hijab or burkha.

2) In many Hindu families, urban women are still expected to marry within the same caste or follow traditional customs like arranged marriages. Even though women may be educated or financially independent, societal pressure to marry according to caste and religious customs can be intense, limiting their freedom to choose partners. Muslim men are allowed to marry other religious women which isn't same case with Muslim women.

3) Cultural norms such as Karva Chauth or feet touching of husbands are often celebrated as "tradition".

4) According to Islamic law (Sharia), a woman’s share in inheritance is often half of what her male siblings receive and in Hindu families, women don't even receive any property and i am the example of it which reinforces the idea that women are secondary to men when it comes to financial rights. In some urban Islamic families, male guardianship (often the father or husband) continues to restrict women's freedom. Whether it's about making decisions related to travel, education, or career, some urban Muslim women find that their rights are constrained by the expectation that a male guardian must approve of their choices. (Happens in Hindu families too but very normal in urbanic islamic families)

5) polygamy which is permitted under Islamic law places many women in a vulnerable position. women still face the fear of their husband taking another wife without their consent, thereby compromising their marital stability which isn't the same case with Muslim men.

6) In both religious and cultural contexts, women are still expected to fulfill traditional roles as mothers, wives, and caregivers. Despite being financially independent or career-oriented, many urban women face expectations from their families to conform to these gender roles. For instance, the pressure to give birth to a male child is still prevalent in both Hindu and Muslim families, which can result in emotional and psychological strain , doing household chores , taking care of man's parents, being considered to bear as a primary parent for bearing childcare which literally doubles the responsibility of the woman.

Now i just mentioned the oppression faced by urban women but doesn't invalidate the oppression face by men ofc.

Main point is how is modern feminism helping the cause at all?

This is all just on paper to show how nice feminism is while it's ruined society and lives of men once given positions of power due to diversity quota

Most modern women are mediocre, impulsive and over emotional yet they want positions of power handed to them just by playing victim card and then still cry about not making it to cutoffs blaming men and Patriarchy and not their own incompetence

Modern feminism is nothing but a two faced snake where mediocre and privileged women just want an ego trip

Modern feminism seeks to remove systemic barriers for women in various fields and doesn’t aim to harm men. If there are issues with certain diversity initiatives, those should be addressed on a case-by-case basis, but that doesn't invalidate the entire feminist movement. Also, your generalization that 'modern women are mediocre, impulsive, and emotional' is not based on any objective facts or logic but sounds more like an emotional response. Ironically, this proves my point: when equality challenges existing privileges, it feels like oppression for those who benefitted from the imbalance. This is a deeply flawed and sexist stereotype. People, regardless of gender, have different emotional capacities, strengths, and weaknesses. Science has repeatedly debunked gender essentialism — meaning that traits like being “impulsive” or “over-emotional” aren’t exclusive to women. Ironically, your arguments sound driven by emotion rather than logic, especially since you resort to personal attacks without providing any empirical evidence.

Feminism isn't about ego trips or handing out power based on victimhood. It’s about dismantling long-standing biases that have historically disadvantaged women. If you truly believe that women are being handed positions they don’t deserve, then point to specific instances where unqualified women were given a role solely due to their gender and not merit.

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It's ironic that you label me as "over-emotional" when your responses rely heavily on personal attacks and dismissive comments. my detailed argument being merely "copypasta" reflects a frustration with my points rather than a rational counter-argument. By suggesting that "nobody is gonna read that," you are minimizing a well-researched discussion and showing a tendency to avoid engaging with the substance of my claims. Furthermore, rather than providing objective evidence or logical reasoning, you resort to stereotypes about modern women being "mediocre, impulsive, and over-emotional," which reveal your own biases and frustrations because you even know science doesn't agree with you . your emotional reaction to the challenge feminism presents to your views is what drives your comments, rather than a reasoned engagement with the topic. Ironically, your reactions throughout this discussion seem to embody the stereotype you're projecting onto women.

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You realize this is a men’s space yet we allow you to slander us

If we do on your so called feminist subs we know what happens

No amount of arguing with me would change that because modern feminism is literally misandry with power held by elite urban out of touch women who somehow represent all women even the ones at grassroots lol

There may be a handful of sensible feminists but still the modern feminist women is composed of out of touch privileged women who are just keyboard social justice warriors while the movement is still overwhelmingly misandrist

In the west in such a small duration of time the feminists f***ked up the economy yet people in India want to emulate the same model not realizing that firstly it won’t work and secondly the society and culture is different so it won’t work

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You realize this is a men’s space yet we allow you to slander us without downvoting, name calling or banning you

First, I never slandered you or resorted to name-calling, unlike you, who has repeatedly used dismissive and gender-based attacks against me. You've labeled me "over-emotional" "two faced snake who wants ego trip" "mediocre" "playing victim" "keyboard warrior" "you deserve less pay because you woman" and disregarded my points simply because I happen to be a woman, showing that you're allowing your emotions and biases to cloud this conversation, not me. If you're truly interested in rational debate, you wouldn't attack me personally just because I don't share your views. If this is truly a "men's space," then it's quite telling how much effort you're putting into silencing or dismissing my opinions rather than engaging with them rationally. If anything i was the only one in this entire conversation who actually talked respectfully with you.

If we do on your so called feminist subs we know what happens

No amount of arguing with me would change that because modern feminism is literally misandry with power held by elite urban out of touch women who somehow represent all women even the ones at grassroots lol

you're implying that feminist spaces immediately resort to banning or downvoting anyone who opposes them. But ask yourself: why would this happen if the conversation were respectful and constructive? You can disagree without being disrespectful or resorting to generalizations, but your argument is mostly an attempt to devalue women and feminism without offering much in terms of actual facts or counterarguments.

I already mentioned that even highly educated urban women face systemic oppression, including gender pay gaps, discrimination, and patriarchal structures that control their autonomy. You conveniently ignored these points and my personal example as an urban woman facing such oppression, which proves that you're not engaging with arguments that challenge your view of feminism.

In the west in such a small duration of time the feminists f***ked up the economy when given power yet people in India want to emulate the same model not realizing that firstly it won’t work and secondly the society and culture is different so it won’t work at all nor do we have the economic luxury to do such a useless experiment

"Feminism has ruined the economy in the West" is literally an unfounded claim. If anything in western countries men in fact have more laws favouring them than third world countries like India. The economic issues in various countries stem from complex factors like market instability, globalization, automation, and financial crises—not because women gained equal rights. You can't blame economic challenges on feminism when it's about securing basic human rights and opportunities for women. Saying that India shouldn't strive for equality because "it won't work" is not only regressive but also defeatist. You're suggesting that we should maintain unequal structures just because it seems easier for men, ignoring the long-term societal benefits of genuine gender equality which is literally a basic woman human right. Quite the irony that this subreddit advocates for rights of men but takes a 180 degree angle when the topic is about human rights of women.

Women centric schemes are already there and as men we have full right to speak about them whether women like it or not

You can’t stop someone for calling them out

What women centric schemes are you talking about? Which women centric schemes are affecting men? What's the context here? women, historically, were denied basic rights, and these initiatives aim to bridge that gap, not create division.

Lastly, no one is stopping men from discussing these schemes or engaging in conversations about them, but dismissing feminism as "misandry" or downplaying the significance of gender equality is not engaging in a productive or informed conversation—

They do not realize the way they want to run the world works only when you are privileged enough to have safeguards brought by men and once these safeguards fail people go back to the natural order which is the natural one

This so called equality according to feminists is mere a fraction of humankind’s existence and is not natural

equality is "unnatural" and that society will revert to a "natural order." What exactly is this "natural order"? Is it one where women are continually oppressed, and men remain in power without question? safeguards are a basic human right that everyone, regardless of gender, deserves access to. It's not a privilege granted by one gender to another—it's a collective effort by society to protect and promote the well-being of all its members.

What’s truly "natural" is the recognition that individuals, regardless of gender, should be evaluated and treated based on their "natural" inherent qualities like skills, talents, qualifications, and character not based on outdated and arbitrary stereotypes tied to their biological sex. If anything, clinging to "unnatural" hierarchies based on gender ignores the real and diverse potential that every "natural" individual brings. True equality is about breaking away from these "unnatural" social constructions that have historically limited people based on their gender, and instead allowing everyone to thrive based on their actual contributions and abilities. Men and women alike possess a wide range of natural strengths, intelligence, creativity, and problem-solving abilities, and it’s these characteristics that should determine one's position in society or work, not their anatomy.

The thing is for women biggest problem is about their feelings getting hurt while for men it’s a more serious situation

You're literally trivializing the very real issues women face, such as gender-based violence, unequal pay, lack of reproductive rights, and systemic discrimination. You're reducing their struggles to mere emotional grievances, which is not only inaccurate but deeply dismissive. Feminism doesn’t deny the challenges men face, but instead calls for addressing the structural issues that disproportionately affect women. You can't brush off every issue feminists raise as "emotional" or "trivial" just because it challenges your worldview. If you genuinely care about facts and reason, you'll need to engage with the evidence, not just emotional appeals based on your own frustration. True progress comes from recognizing and addressing the challenges all individuals face, rather than trivializing one group’s struggles while elevating another’s.

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All that mental gymnastics just to deny that modern day feminism has created power hungry, incompetent women who literally live off the luxuries of society created by men while policing them what to do and claiming that women are still oppressed

You realize people interacting within the world of Reddit are privileged itself be it from anywhere and not representative of the ones who need equality but are the people of the lower socio economic strata

Even if men from some country lives a relatively easier life than a men from other county the woman still lives easier lives than both of them irrespective of where they are

You realize men are considered disposable throughout history while women are not due to having the ability to birth offspring or more like deliver it

Modern day feminism with its fixation on promiscuity, alcohol and other toxic behaviours don’t define feminism nor is anyway gonna help the poorer women except for this delusional lot of women they are fighting for a cause and are mere champagne socialists 🥂

If only all that could translate into real life aside from pseudo intellectual jargon it would have been much better for humanity

Women had suffered from sexism yes but that doesn’t mean we put them on a pedestal despite their mediocrity which most of them confidently boast about thanks to pity points throughout their lives

The thing is the gap is too big to fulfill now and given the economic hardships and probable war situations worldwide the world is gonna shift to patriarchy very soon as it’s the one which gets things done instead of expecting everyone to get along and deluding yourself

The only reason feminism prospered was because the real world situation was comfortable

Once its about hunger and survival frivolous ideologies like feminism are the first to be abolished and ignored as it’s the natural order of the man to lead with women only to assist

Its not opinion but a evolutionary trait which we are hardwired to

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All that mental gymnastics just to deny that modern day feminism has created power hungry, incompetent women who literally live off the luxuries of society created by men while policing them what to do and claiming that women are still oppressed Even if men from some country lives a relatively easier life than a men from other county the woman still lives easier lives than both of them irrespective of where they are

Just because you have misogynist automation of devaluing the efforts made by people born with vaginas , it doesn't mean they live easy lives and the luxury are created by men only. Economic systems are complex and involve contributions from all genders. Women have always played significant roles in various sectors, including the workforce and household. In fact, without the unpaid labor women provide through household chores and caregiving, many men wouldn’t have been able to pursue their careers or accumulate wealth. Most people, regardless of gender, can exhibit power-hungry behavior or incompetency. These traits are not inherently linked to gender; rather, they depend on individual skills, qualifications, and personal character. It’s essential to evaluate people based on their merits rather than attributing negative qualities to an entire gender. If you examine the ground reality, you’ll find that it’s primarily men who police women, not the other way around. As I previously mentioned, urban women don't easily live and have worse lives than men as face societal, cultural and religious oppression that often restricts their autonomy and freedom be it india , Afghanistan, Pakistan any country. This is a systemic issue that goes beyond individual experiences and reflects deep-rooted societal norms but as usual you chose to ignore them because it goes against your misogynist view.

You realize people interacting within the world of Reddit are privileged itself be it from anywhere and not representative of the ones who need equality but are the people of the lower socio economic strata

You seriously came with this argument? I actually gave an example of the privilege my male family member faces being a reddit member in my old reply but you already decided that you're always right and are arguing with a bad faith that's why you chose to ignore them . This is seriously such a flawed argument. Social media platforms allow diverse voices to be heard, including those from various socio-economic backgrounds. The issues discussed on these platforms are relevant to the larger conversation about gender equality, regardless of one's socio-economic status. Acknowledging that some individuals are privileged doesn’t negate the reality that women still face significant challenges.

The thing is the gap is too big to fulfill now and given the economic hardships and probable war situations worldwide the world is gonna shift to patriarchy very soon as it’s the one which gets things done instead of expecting everyone to get along and deluding yourself

The only reason feminism prospered was because the real world situation was comfortable

Evidence shows that societies that embrace gender equality tend to be more resilient and adaptive in the face of crises. They are often better at mobilizing resources, fostering innovation, and ensuring social stability. Many women have taken on leadership roles in various sectors, and their contributions are increasingly recognized as vital in addressing global challenges. Ignoring this evolution can lead to outdated views about capabilities based on gender. Modern psychology and sociology suggest that cooperation and collaboration are essential traits for human survival. Human beings are social creatures, and successful societies have thrived on collaboration rather than strict hierarchical structures. Studies show that when faced with global challenges (like climate change, pandemics, etc.), nations with higher gender equality tend to have better outcomes. This challenges the notion that a return to patriarchy is the best or most effective response.

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Yeah we have seen the societies crumbling once we gave women power in the name of feminism

Men are born leaders so they would lead its pretty simple

You can keep it for yourself and anyways patriarchy is inevitable now considering the mess feminism has made world over

Firstly, what's the context behind "giving power to women in the name of feminism"? Feminism isn’t about handing over power; it’s about establishing equality—allowing women to have equal rights and opportunities. Power, when given equally, leads to balance, not chaos. How exactly is society crumbling because of it? If we go by this logic, then the men who held power throughout history didn't exactly handle it well either. In society, Almost all the worst atrocities, wars, and injustices were led by men, not feminism. In fact, the wars we’re seeing today—like the Israel-Palestine conflict —are caused by power struggles and political decisions made by male leaders, not by empowering women. Russia-ukraine war again by men and under the leadership of men. "Natural born leaders" lol.

If societies are "crumbling," it’s not because of feminism but because of poor leadership, greed, and systemic failures (regardless of gender) all of which have been largely controlled by men for centuries. In Afghanistan, since the Taliban (patriarchal male leadership) took power in 2021. Reports indicate that around 80% of suicide attempts in the country are now by women. This surge is largely attributed to the patriarchal oppressive restrictions imposed by the Taliban, which have severely curtailed women's rights, including banning them from education, most workplaces, and even public spaces. I can definitely see how well "men are natural born leaders and how feminism is crumbling society as all Talibani are feminist women" lmao. Please dude just spit this nonsense somewhere else, even you know that scientifically you're wrong. I even gave you a list of evidence about how according to neurology, leadership can't be determined based on gender but as usual, talking with you is like banging head on wall because you choose to ignore every concrete evidence i list and repeat the same shit again and again because you argue on bad faith.

You can keep it for yourself and anyways patriarchy is inevitable now considering the mess feminism has made world over

Also as usual you are writing literally paras defending feminism yet nothing about false accusations and the double standards of modern feminism which literally downplay or hide such issues

i actually said in my old reply that oppression facing by women doesn't invalidate the issues or oppression facing by men too. I didn't write anything about false allegations because according to you "all" women are privileged and live easy lives than men and i debunked it completely.

On one hand you're saying society is a mess and is crumbling because of feminism on the other hand you're supporting patriarchy while whining about false allegations. Have you ever thought why men have false allegations? Because of the patriarchy itself. Patriarchy backfires men too and many pseudo feminists actually take advantage of that. Patriarchy is at the root of most gender-based violence. According to studies in criminology and psychology, crimes like rape, domestic violence, and honor killings are linked to patriarchal structures that emphasize male dominance and control over women. These crimes occur because patriarchy conditions men to view power, dominance, and entitlement over women as acceptable. For example: Rape is often linked to control and power rather than sexual desire, driven by a patriarchal mindset that devalues women.

Historically, men are more often viewed as perpetrators of violent crimes, including rape and molestation, due to the association of patriarchal norms with aggression and dominance. Criminology supports this by showing that many gender-based crimes stem from patriarchal values that promote male control and dominance over women. As a result:

Men are often presumed guilty in cases of rape or molestation because the majority of perpetrators in such cases have been men historically. men are vulnerable to these accusations lies in the way patriarchy casts men as inherently dominant and, at times, violent. This results in a societal bias that's why Men are often perceived as default perpetrators in situations of alleged sexual misconduct.

Criminology emphasizes that most gender-based violence is not about sexual desire but about power and control. Patriarchy, which assigns men the role of dominant protector and breadwinner, reinforces this dynamic, leading some men to commit acts of violence in an effort to assert their control. Because patriarchy often positions women as passive or vulnerable, when a woman claims victimhood, it may align with these stereotypes, making it more challenging to objectively assess situations of false accusations.

Men, therefore, face the dual burden of being cast as perpetrators due to societal norms, while women are often seen as powerless victims, a product of patriarchal thinking.

Feminism stops once the air conditioner stops working anyways

What the hell do you even mean by this lmao 😭 . Hypothetically if AC stops working then a person should come and fix it regardless of gender depending on the skills and it can happen due to feminism only as women and men should be given equal opportunities to learn and utilise their skills , so what's your point?

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All this yapping and still going around in circles and not once talking about false accusations which modern feminists have perfectly mastered lmao

The initial debate wasn't even focused on false accusations; it was about whether all modern women live privileged, easy lives—something i debunked thoroughly. I am not avoiding the topic, i simply prioritise addressing the central argument he raised, which is important in any debate but when you pointed out false accusations, i even addressed it in my previous reply.

At least i gave an explanation and accepted the fact that men also face issues and even addressed it unlike you whose arguments are just on the basis of misogyny and emotions.

The lengths feminists would go to force people to believe their bs ideology Would rather prefer to write paras rather than once address the hypocrisy of modern day feminism will ya

Me as a feminist "forcing people" to believe the ideology is ironic because you're dismissing facts, research, and evidence that i’ve laid out. If anyone is forcing ideology here, it’s you, as you refuse to accept the concrete facts you’ve presented from criminology and psychology. Feminism isn’t about forcing ideology- it’s about fighting for equality and human rights. The changes brought about by feminism—equal access to education, voting rights, equal pay—aren’t ideologies, they are fundamental human rights that have improved society. How am i forcing you when i literally presented well-researched facts and evidence. You're the one ignoring the data to push an agenda rooted in baseless stereotypes. Your argument, in the end, collapses under your own weight because it refuses to engage with the reality of how patriarchy harms both genders and how feminism advocates for a better, more equitable society.

We can point out the hypocrisy freely as much as we want whether you like it or not and stop quoting the extreme case scenarios and baseless studies stemming from the academia with feminist bias as it would be already discredited here

Of course, people are free to critique any movement, feminism included. But critiques should be based on facts and research, not personal biases or assumptions. Just calling something "hypocrisy" doesn't make it so without evidence to back it up. The studies I mentioned are not "extreme" or "baseless." They come from peer-reviewed academic sources and respected research institutions, not feminist bias. Dismissing anything from academia because it challenges your worldview isn’t productive or logical . Academic studies, by their very nature, are subject to scrutiny and have to meet rigorous standards before being published. They are based on data, not ideology. Discrediting something requires evidence, not just saying "it’s discredited." If you believe certain studies are biased or flawed, you should provide specific counter-research or data to back up that claim. Simply dismissing credible research without offering any counter-evidence doesn't advance the discussion. Also , It’s interesting that you mentioned evolutionary psychology in the past to support your views, yet you completely dismiss other studies as having "feminist bias." If we follow the same logic, should I reject evolutionary psychology because it often perpetuates patriarchal or misogynist bias?

After all this you have written do you even realize men here have problem with modern feminism and not women’s rights as it was pretty much men which handed it to them in the first place and we clearly see them being misused and want to point out their clear cut hypocrisy

If you support women's rights, you're aligning with feminist values because that's what feminism fights for. Feminism, at its core, advocates for gender equality and challenges harmful systems like patriarchy. If you support these rights but criticize feminism, it seems contradictory. It wasn't "handed" to them by men. Historically, women fought for the right to vote, to work, to own property, and to be free from systemic discrimination. The suffrage movement, labor movements, and civil rights movements were led by strong women who demanded equality.

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No wonder men’s condition is shit rn because women would rather argue than ever admit it’s their fault Also how can we even compete in victim card criteria which women are the best at nor do we really care

The irony here is that you accuse women of not accepting fault and playing the victim, but in your argument, you are doing exactly that. You dismiss research studies and evidence as “feminist bias” instead of addressing the substance of the studies. You claim women are playing the victim, yet you portray men as victims of feminism, framing all your grievances as if the existence of women’s rights or feminism is the cause of male suffering. It’s hypocritical to accuse someone of not accepting fault while refusing to engage with research or facts that challenge your perspective. You're complaining about women supposedly being the best at playing the victim card while you're repeatedly framing men as the victims in the conversation- by saying "men's condition is shit" "gynocentrism which will very conveniently silence men’s voices" "media is already hijacked by them" and implying women are to blame, you're doing exactly what you're criticizing women for—shifting the blame without self-reflection. This double standard highlights how you're isn’t ready to acknowledge that the patriarchal system is responsible for the struggles faced by both men and women.

Btw all this hatred for patriarchy yet even with the quasi matriarchal society taking over it’s not able to solve any problems which apparently men caused and are more keen in fulfilling their vested interests to dominate men and exact revenge for the past while very conveniently putting up a agenda for welfare of all

Your claims about "quasi-matriarchal" societies seeking revenge on men ignore the fact that feminism is about establishing equality, not dominance. Society’s problems are systemic and long-standing, created by power imbalances, and are not going to be solved overnight by any movement, feminist or otherwise. The idea that all problems created by patriarchy (such as poverty, gender-based violence, and inequalities) can be "solved" immediately is unrealistic. Feminism aims to address deep-rooted societal issues like gender inequality, and progress is visible, though slow. Issues like unequal pay, lack of access to healthcare, reproductive rights, and gender-based violence remain prevalent, not because of feminism’s failure, but because these are systemic and widespread problems that need time and collective effort to resolve.

Sadly people could see through it since the beginning it’s just that the media is already hijacked by them and so the popular opinion by gynocentrism which will very conveniently silence men’s voices and why would the elite care as they are unaffected by it most times and putting up a facade of feminism dictating men what to do is very convenient for them as it allows them to get the progressive tag and a thumbs up from feminists

The media has not been “hijacked” by feminism, and in fact, many media outlets still perpetuate patriarchal values. While some outlets may promote progressive ideas, this is far from a universal trend. Gender stereotypes and misogynistic portrayals of women remain common in films, TV shows, advertisements, and even news. Also , Elites using feminism as a "facade" for progressivism is a flawed argument. If anything, many elites historically resisted feminist movements because empowering women could challenge their privileged positions. Feminist gains, such as the right to vote or work, were achieved despite the opposition of many elites, not because of them. The idea that elites would co-opt feminism for a progressive “thumbs up” ignores the grassroots nature of these movements, which have often fought against elite interests.

Even with feminism apparently women have no qualms projecting them as innocent victims whatsoever which stems from patriarchy which they are actively against Feminism is the way lmao

It indeed is. feminism addresses systemic oppression and acknowledges that both men and women can be harmed by these systems. Highlighting problems like violence and inequality isn't about painting women as helpless but about fighting for necessary change.

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Once its about hunger and survival frivolous ideologies like feminism are the first to be abolished and ignored as it’s the natural order of the man to lead with women only to assist

Studies in neuroscience have demonstrated that there are no definitive cognitive advantages that make one gender inherently more suited for leadership. Instead, differences in brain structure and function do not equate to differences in capability or potential for leadership. The brain is highly adaptable, and its structure can change based on experiences and learning. This means that anyone, regardless of gender, can develop leadership qualities through training, education, and experience. Leadership skills are learned behaviors rather than innate traits. Many behaviors associated with leadership have been shaped by social norms and expectations rather than being biologically determined. The belief that men are inherently suited to lead can be seen as a social construct, not an evolutionary necessity.

The patriarchal structures we see in many modern societies developed much later, often in response to agricultural advancements and the establishment of property rights. As societies became more complex and wealth accumulation became a priority, gender roles became more rigid, leading to the dominance of patriarchal systems. This shift does not reflect a natural order but rather a sociocultural evolution.

And talking about "hunger and survival" - Evidence from anthropological studies suggests that many early human societies operated on egalitarian principles. Decisions were made collectively, and leadership was often situational rather than fixed by gender. According to archaeological and anthropological evidence that early human societies practiced a more egalitarian way of life, where both men and women contributed equally to hunting and gathering. The concept of women moving into their husband’s households as seen in many modern societies did not exist in early human communities. Instead, kinship ties were often matrilocal or bilocal, meaning that families could reside with either the bride’s or groom’s relatives. This flexibility contributed to a more balanced power dynamic. early humans valued cooperation and shared resources, leading to more egalitarian social structures. Leadership was often situational and based on expertise rather than being defined by gender.

You realize men are considered disposable throughout history while women are not due to having the ability to birth offspring or more like deliver it

Yes you're right men were expected to fight and often faced high mortality rates i even addressed this that men also oppressed. However, women have historically faced exploitation and violence as well, particularly in patriarchal societies.

Example - Women’s reproductive capabilities have often been exploited, especially in times of war or social unrest. In some historical contexts, women were forced into sexual slavery or used as "breeding vessels" to produce offspring for soldiers or in efforts to grow populations , Many women have been subjected to forced marriages, often at a young age. Their autonomy and agency are stripped away, reducing them to roles as wives and mothers without regard for their individual desires or well-being , In some cultures, women are seen as less valuable than men, and their roles are strictly defined by tradition. This can lead to practices that prioritize men's needs over women's, viewing women as expendable or secondary to male family members , Women are often objectified in media and society, leading to their bodies being viewed as commodities rather than individuals. This objectification can result in violence, harassment, and exploitation, reinforcing their disposability , female foeticide , honour killing etc

Modern day feminism with its fixation on promiscuity, alcohol and other toxic behaviours don’t define feminism nor is anyway gonna help the poorer women except for this delusional lot of women they are fighting for a cause and are mere champagne socialists

responsible alcohol consumption is a personal choice. It can be enjoyed socially and doesn't inherently reflect one's values or commitment to feminism. The focus should be on moderation and responsible behavior rather than blanket condemnation or overconsumption of alcohol. Also about promiscuity, Everyone has the right to make choices about their own bodies and sexual experiences. This includes the freedom to engage in consensual sexual relationships without judgment. promiscuity should be ethical which involves transparency about one’s intentions and relationship dynamics, which helps prevent misunderstandings and emotional harm. Individuals have the right to assert their sexual autonomy and explore their desires, regardless of gender. This is a fundamental aspect of personal freedom and self-expression. Privileged women can use their platforms and resources to amplify the voices of those who are struggling. This doesn't make them 'delusional' or 'champagne socialists'; it shows a commitment to creating a more equitable society.

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Yeah you re right about it and the fact that men have to careful just because their lives can be ruined within hours by a woman speaks volumes about neglect of safeguarding men by our laws which are extremely biased towards women and don’t wanna change them at all while times and women’s position and privilege itself have changed in the last few decades

However still by default they treat men as criminals while women as victims even though by playing the victim card and with time they are more privileged than the so called oppressors in terms of law

Copying the western feminists version of “progress” and applying it blindly and labelling it as being progress is not gonna help either as the West has seen some of the worst subjugation and misandry by women in the recent years once they got in positions of power discriminating against men openly while being supported thanks to getting more women in power by systematic institutional discrimination disguised as positive discrimination and censoring any form of voices by men whenever possible

In India already there hasn’t been stability or changes in terms of law yet the same hateful western feminism is being applied here without taking into account the cultural changes and misandry and applauded as progress as the elites are obviously unaffected by it

It’s only the other stratas and especially men here who are gonna face the situation 10x worse if it fully gets implemented with time in here as already the situation is pretty bad for men with just few years of feminist intervention by the privileged few

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