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AskReddit does not understand why certain movie scenes are very different if the genders of the characters are reversed

Foulcrow

July 12, 2013
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Title AskReddit does not understand why certain movie scenes are very different if the genders of the characters are reversed
Author

Foulcrow

Upvotes 7
Comments 14
Date July 12, 2013 10:28 AM UTC
(13 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1i58m4/askreddit_does_not_understand_why_certain_movie/
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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that most people come to the wrong conclusion even after they realize the double standard. The reaction is something like "men can be raped too" and implictly we also need to protect men from normal harmless sexual situations. Very few people say things like:

It was clearly not rape when the man was "taken advantage of" so maybe it is also not rape with the genders switched.

The problem is not is we are too sexual "protective" of girls not that we are doing too little to protect boys from sex (yes bad things happen but they are rare not systematic).

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

hmm, i never realized how often rape of males is portrayed humorously. i'm off to SRS to see how the idiot fempire is rationalizing that rape of males is ok.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rape is only when you have privilege and the target doesn't. Male = privilege, female = oppressed. Therefore, women cannot rape men. This can also be used to excused hate crimes against white people and/or men. Don't like that one? How about the fact that the man (or even young boy) had an erection so he clearly wanted it.

QEDHamster

[–]Foulcrow[S] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the PATRIARCHY! Media portrays women only as sex objects, winning a prize, so male rape is just actually winning an award that you did not want to win, but accidentally did.

OK, this might be a little more on the sarcastic side, but I can totally imagine someone going on this line of thought

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[–]Foulcrow[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But they are not supposed to be different in the eyes of the law.

The law does not always perfectly describe reality. An 18 year old can vote, because in the eyes of the law, that is the age, when people reach the mental maturity to make responsible political decisions. However, in reality, there might be someone, who is more politically informed at the age of 15 than someone at the age of 25. Simpler laws are easier to uphold, but the tend to miss the subtle details.

This does not grant anybody a free "laws don't correspond with reality, so why bother obeying them" card, but one has to acknowledge, that the reasoning: "this is not how the law intends it to be, so it cannot be true" is faulty.

The irony of the situation is the cognitive dissonance: everyone even the law thinks that everyone should be equal, and this notion is so well engraved in the western society; yet, when presented with the question, what situations would be entirely different, outrageous if the genders were reversed, everyone could come up with a bunch of examples, meaning, that they also think that the genders are not equal.

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[–]Foulcrow[S] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the eyes of the law, why do you think statutory rape laws should be different for men and women?

I am not a lawyer, nor a lawmaker, I know very little of the actual process how laws are made, what principles do they have to follow, and I do not wish to change any laws, I do not participate in MRA, or any activism, so I do not want to change the laws. I just observed that laws are not a perfect representation of reality, or society, and acknowledge that. I think today any politician would commit a carrier suicide if he supported non-equal laws for men and women, so it is a moot point to even argue for it seriously, but for the "why" part: because society already thinks differently about a 14y-21y sexual act based on who is the male and who is the female. It is an entirely different question if laws should follow society, or society should follow laws more strictly.

the law places no value on the respective reproductive values of men vs women

But, as I said, society does, no matter how they deny it, say that everyone is equal regardless of gender, the AskReddit post is clear evidence, that people do view differently sexual situations depending on the gender and roles of participants. This can produce such situations, where one can be a rapist in the eyes of the law, but not in the eyes of society, or vice-versa.

morally reasoned argument that men and women's values are affected in different ways........argues for a double-standard

I think different values call for different standards. We do this already for sports, a woman does not have to be faster than all the male sprinters to win a gold medal, she has to be faster than all the female runners.

Laws should generally be as impartial as possible

I think laws should be as FAIR as possible. I have no idea what the laws are about alimony / child support / child visitation rights are, but from unfounded-internet-statistical-folklore sources I heard that in practice, divorce ends up more often in favor of women than men, despite the already existing (supposedly; no sarcasm intended) impartial laws.

would violate civil rights laws already in place

Current laws are not the be-all end-all descriptors of functioning society, society develops, so should the laws. Laws that served us well 50 years ago, might be outdated today, or in the future, hell if I know

[–]MrStinky 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I noticed this in the film This Is The End where one of the characters is raped by a well endowed demon and the whole audience laughed. I was literally silent as I found zero humor in the situation. Rape to me is NEVER funny. Rape jokes? I can laugh at those.

Also there is a scene in the film where a penis is cut clean off -- and again -- MORE hearty laughter.

If the shoe was on the other foot...

[–]Foulcrow[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some might eventually get it (about the last scene of Crazy Stupid Love, Where the babysitter gives a naked picture of herself to the boy)

Because it's sort of like a compliment. If a male receives sexual advances, he is deemed as attractive, powerful, and masculine if the female wants him. It's like a boy is becoming a desirable man.

Most are just baffled and/or try to rationalize reality to fit their own perspective. Oh, and the post is full of examples of sexual interactions in movies, some might be able to write a coherent TRP Theory post about how people flipping out most on the sexual scenes of movies if genders are reversed

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