Dear RedPillers

PimpinLarge · 2013-07-20T11:51:23+00:00

What is their reasoning?

They don't have "reasoning".

That's why it makes no sense.

They say whatever shit pops into their head in the moment, and lie in whatever way they think will let them maximize their own benefits. This is of course exploitative and sociopathic, and thus to maintain their fictional self-image of not being what they actually are, they also need some male to absorb all the blame. No accountability for them!

They say things that they think will result in you doing nice things for them and giving them resources.

They feel they are entitled to this. Merely for letting you be in their presence.

Then they need a cover story, so they redirect, and accuse you of being entitled.

Why? It's like a kid with their hand in the cookie jar when you catch them in the act. But if the kid can make up some story, or look cute, or cry, or blame you for something, or otherwise get away with it, they will. And then they will keep stealing from the cookie jar, more and more brazenly until they are up in your face with it, and regard you with contempt for being spineless.

A girl wants you to stop her from stealing your cookies. She wants to be put in check and punished when she goes wrong. That is why they constantly test your boundaries, to see if you are some simp they can rip off, or a Real Man that gives them the structure of Boundaries and Consequences.

A woman is a kleptomaniac of your emotions, your time, and your resources. She will compulsively take whatever isn't nailed to the fucking floor. And then blame you for not stopping her.

And she doesn't fuck where she shits, so if she's shitting on you, she's fucking someone else.

What would you say to me to make me completely step out of the "nice guy" frame?

It's not about what anyone says, it's about what you have to experience.

Do a bunch of nice things for a girl, only to have her not only be ungrateful for things you did, but actually start attacking you for it.

The specifics of what is going to do it for you depend on your individual experiences. But there is nothing as effective as some daffy cunt crossing a "Point of No Return" that you have. Sometimes you don't even know you had one there until she did some fucked-up shit you weren't expecting and suddenly BAM it's over. You would have kept taking all sorts of shit from her, let her rev you up to 87 miles per hour over and over again, but then one day she pushes you to 88 and suddenly out of nowhere there's a blinding flash of light and all your feelings for her implode.

Every beta has something that he just won't take, even if he doesn't know what it is. If a girl pushes you past this point so you finally SNAP OUT OF it, she's doing you a HUGE favor. Because most girls will try to split before that happens, leaving you feeling bad about yourself. They try to torment you to the point where you won't oppose them because of "learned helplessness", but not so badly that you commit suicide, until after they finish extracting everything of value they think they want from you. Many guys have killed themselves at that point, e.g. after the ex-wife took everything they had including the kids.

Nobody can be told what the Cuntrix is. You have to experience it for yourself.

kukul · 2013-07-20T09:11:27+00:00

If you want a mental shortcut to remind yourself not to be a "nice guy" then what I propose is this:

Don't let a woman get away with anything a man you know as well as her wouldn't.

She poked fun at you? Poke her back.
She stood you up? Tell her you won't put up with that bullshit.
She spilled your drink? Tell her to buy you a new one.

the list goes on.

Hoioioioioi · 2013-07-20T12:13:03+00:00

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/comment-of-the-week-precision-analogies-edition/

Men value women for their sexual intimacy, while women value men for the emotional intimacy.

Now men don’t want a relationship with a woman who is promiscuous with her sexual intimacy as it either indicates she has low value, or potential for cuckoldry.

Perhaps women don’t want relationships with emotional/sensitive guys as these men are promiscuous with their emotional intimacy. And their emotional promiscuity indicates they are either low value or have a potential for abandonment.

So a niceguy is to women, what a slut is to a man.

http://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1497is/girlwriteswhat_look_out_its_a_nice_guy_destroy_him/c7bat18

If she want to give him sex then he's truly nice, if she doesn't want to give him sex then he's not really nice. A man's honesty is defined by whether a woman likes him.

This is it, in a nutshell. The essential trait of the "Nice Guy" that so many feminists hate so much is that he's romantically and sexually unsuccessful because- whether due to shyness or misleading advice or just the way his personality is- he's bad at performing the traditional male role, which being the one who approaches/initiates is a major part of. He's not virile enough. It's a way to condemn and vilify men who don't fulfill traditional gender norms, dressed up in a bunch of manufactured indignation over how manipulative/entitled/predatory such men supposedly are so that people who claim to believe that men shouldn't be despised for being "unmanly" can do it anyway.

12ozs · 2013-07-20T14:37:30+00:00

You were raised primarily by a woman, and taught almost entirely by women in public school. You were taught to give women respect by default, and that anything else is sexist. I think that's part of the problem. As a nice guy, you are exactly what women molded you to be, but women don't actually want what they created. When women accuse us nice guys as "just being nice to get sex", it obviously hurts and insults those of us that have been nothing but well intentioned. Many of us nice guys have never had a hookup in our life, because those women in the prior generation raised and taught us to be family minded. So yeah, it hurts to be called a dog when we're not. Why do women do it? Part of it is projecting (even religious women have meaningless hookups these days), part of it is misandry (while we were taught to put women on a pedestal, women were taught the opposite about men), and the final part is they've been burned by the charming manipulating alphas who really did just want sex.

Women need to earn respect the same way men do. By being a nice guy, you're making yourself vulnerable to someone who might not deserve it. This is part of the reason "don't put women up on a pedestal" exists, because we're doing it without even realizing it.

_bro · 2013-07-20T08:43:32+00:00

/r/becomeaman

and

/r/everymanshouldknow

then

/r/YouShouldKnow

maybe

/r/seduction

PinkfloydPurplefloyd · 2013-07-20T11:24:43+00:00

I always thought myself to be coming from a frame of genuineness. I did what every woman said she wanted, flowers, I listened, and all the other bullshit that she got tailor-made from disney.

Unfortunately, none of that presses any attraction buttons.

What would you say to me to make me completely step out of the "nice guy" frame? How should I think from now? And what frame should I assume?

/u/kukul gives a good example with the suggestion of: "Don't let a woman get away with anything a man you know as well as her wouldn't."

I would also suggest you read this: [link]. The Book of Pook is one of the most definite guides of masculinity and women on the net.

2013-07-20T15:25:55+00:00

why do women claim that when I say I'm a nice guy, what I really mean is "I am entitled to sex because of so-and-so." What is their reasoning?

It's a shaming tactic to make you feel bad for wanting sex. Kind of like them telling you that you should just be happy giving them the attention they want and not getting the sexual attention you want.

I did what every woman said she wanted, flowers, I listened, and all the other bullshit that she got tailor-made from disney.

This is giving them what they think they want without getting what you want. This will make them not respect you.

What would you say to me to make me completely step out of the "nice guy" frame? How should I think from now? And what frame should I assume?

Learn more about female psychology to learn why they do the things they do. Put your happiness first, put yourself first, and don't cave into social pressure.

Title	Dear RedPillers
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Date	July 20, 2013 7:43 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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