Respect | TheRedPill

Summary: Respect for and to others is a valid need. Go beyond your self. Learn to show(and take) respect. Don't just learn to step away.

Body:

I would like to share a small story that I read from Osho:

Once a man died and as he stood at the gates, he was asked to choose between heaven and hell. To get a better sense, he asked to get a tour of the two places and was taken to hell to start with. There he found that everyone had been handicapped at their elbows such that they could not help themselves. Due to this they were unable to feed themselves and were in a state of hunger, weakness and despair.

When he was taken to heaven, to his surprise he found that the people there had the same handicap as the people in hell. However, what he saw was a state of health and happiness. The difference he saw was the although through their handicap the people weren't able to help themselves, they were able to help others in feeding them. So people paired to help each other and get past their handicap.

There is a subtle concept I am trying to outline through this story. The actual narrative does not mean anything if you miss that.

We can believe in the idea that Esteem can be born from the self alone. That we make our own happiness.

In truth, we "need" respect from others as well as the chance to "respect others". In this I don't mean fake respect.

I mean respect born out of the understanding of the context that we live in.

The kind of respect that catches your bull shit, appreciates you for your decisions and "Is there" to support you in real terms.

The Exercise/Lessons Learned/Conclusion:

Look around you. Just look with that focus to find what you're looking for in the world.

And when you do find that, take that step of courage to stand up, move forward and appreciate them (in clear terms). If you are in a position of power, use it to demonstrate your values. Take a position of legal dominance with Machiavellian/Operant conditioning to dominate those who don't see the truth as it is.

A man who sees action in inaction and inaction in action has understanding among men and discipline in all action he performs - The Bhagavad Gita

tldr; respect from and for others is a valid need.

[–]recon_johnny0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

To me, outside respect is a form of validation.

Where I think this post derails is in continuity. I think you may have something to say, I'm questioning how you're saying it. You state words like 'respect', 'esteem', and then tie them to concepts of action and direction. I don't follow this, at least not easily.

Then you tie this with a directive to dominate those who don't follow whatever 'truth' you have 'found'.

Firstly, respect from others is absolutely not needed, nor should it be desired. Moving away from validation, or the 'killing of ego' - a concept that's promoted here - is what we should be aiming for. Respect then, is someone else seeing me live my life according to my values, being self sufficient, happy (and fucking bitches), and them valuing my achievements. But...I don't give one single fuck if they do. My value comes from within.

It's not my job to force (dominate) anyone to my values/truth. I care not who sees the world as I do, nor do I care what support they provide me.

This sub is a sounding board, nothing more, that provides examples and experiences. I choose to acknowledge or reject those pieces and to give them a piece of me in return.

[–]rajesh8162[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

A. I am not talking about outside respect. I see outside respect more as attention that anything else.

This might be the link that could give you the continuity. Without an understanding of the context and realities of what you live in, it is impossible to have any sense of truth. If you live in a world full of 8 feet people, then 6 feet isn't tall. Just keep this thought hanging, I'll come back to it.

C. If you kill your ego, then the question that remains is what is left ? There are a couple of answers to this:

a. Psycho-analysis would suggest four separations: The Superego, The Ego, The Id and Reality. The Superego is the parent self. It is the combined wisdom of yourself as to what you should do, based on mistakes you made and conditioning that you received. If there was a lot of bluepill conditioning when you grew up, then your super ego will behave accordingly. The Id is the sensual self. It manages basic necessities like hunger, sexual urge, etc. Reality is the world out there that you see through your senses.

b. The Soul: A concept that is part of many religions. It supposedly connects you to a channel leading into a deeper part of the universal consciousness. "If you want something really badly, the universe will arrange things for you", etc. I personally don't believe in the existence of a soul (unless you're talking about some deep positive subconscious self that is trained over years of persistent hard work and dedication)

c. The Buddhist/Stoic view: There is no soul. Look at reality as it is, in its unbiased form. You are not your ego. You are not.

Coming back to context:

A. If you isolate yourself from the reality out there, you are not in touch with truth. There is a subtle point here. You could train yourself. But there might be an expert out there, who can value your potential and give your a real world judgement of what you can do. If you're not reaching close to "your real potential" then you're not self-actualizing; You're living in a fake reality where your truth is the final letter on how things are or can be.

You say your value comes from within. Joy is something that comes from within. Values are an external metric built in human society over time. Discovering e=mc² in 2015 is of absolutely no value. If you exercise regularly and feel better, that's joy flowing from your body. But if you help someone out of a depression, by just being there for him; you're adding value to the world.

[–]recon_johnny0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I read this. I'd like you to flesh this out more. Your discussion is a bit disjointed, which is why I said I believe you have something to say, but the method you're stating it is hard to follow.

And you go on...Ego, is not the psychofreudian piece you're thinking of. The term "Killing your ego" is best defined as removing external validation. You want to be validated, for doing things, by acting a certain way, for belief in a certain frame...and your behaviors are modified to this end. By 'killing your ego', by removing validation, you find yourself alone as the source of your happiness. You don't need someone patting you on the back saying 'good job'; or 'I did X, now I get the pussy, right?'.

I have a narrow focus on my definitions here. It's important, as I see you spraying to all fields.

You call me out for not being in reality, that I'm not in touch with truth. How am I not with reality? It seems like you're saying that 'your real potential' has to be tied to something where we're all connected, we're giving back, we're doing something that others respect and honor. That I need to be in touch with an expert who can what? Lead me to the promised land?

Remember first and foremost that this is an amoral place. We do not make judgements on what someone does or doesn't do, nor for their belief system behind those actions.

Adding value to the world? Ok, maybe a noble thought, but here, who gives a fuck. This place is for gaming chicks and getting laid. The 'philosophy' behind that is something that many, including me, can see as giving some direction, but it's for getting your dick wet as much as you want it to. No more, no less. Bringing something like your post of needing to be validated (and that's really what this is, it's being validated for seeking 'more' in life; hence your preoccupation with realizing higher values and respect) will be roundly disregarded. Values are not your definition of being created from human society. It's how I see myself, separate from society. My value is to myself, not to others.

It's almost like you're spouting solipsism. How you see the world is how reality is. You're very blue pill/feminine in this regard.

[–]rajesh8162[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

First of all, you said that redpill is about getting pussy. It's not. If it's that way to you, it's your decision and I respect that. I won't argue about it.

In the narrow focus that you specified, here is what I'm trying to say. If there was an opportunity where u could dominate two woman and bang them both together. And if you needed to take help from another dude so you can maybe have a couple swapping foursome. And if there is a book out there that explains the strategy of how to do it. Then don't chicken out by saying that your happiness comes from within and you don't need it. Standup to the opportunity that presents itself to you and honour/respect it.

Reread my post, especially the exercise section. When you team up for something you want against risk and odds there needs to be respect involved. Hence there needs to be respect to(their abilities) and from others(your abilities). It's about taking risks and moving forward.

Also, my phrase about adding value to the world seems pulled out of context. The focus there was to differentiate between what is joy and what is value. Value will always exist in the world. Your SMV is an asset for the planet whether you acknowledge it or not. That is the only reason why you get to fuck. Believe it or not you're adding value to the world by aiming purely for pussy.

[–]recon_johnny1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]rajesh8162[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Title	Respect
Author	rajesh8162
Upvotes	8
Comments	6
Date	December 3, 2015 12:10 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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