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“Standards”

Watcher2 · 2019-01-09T21:42:29+00:00

Going on dates just for the free “expensive” food. About as trashy as it gets.7,917 points•563 comments•submitted 1 year...

Watcher2

January 9, 2019

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Title	“Standards”
Author	Watcher2
Upvotes	37
Comments	20
Date	January 9, 2019 9:42 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/comments/aebqhc/standards/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/standards.347278 https://theredarchive.com/post/347278

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You know this is the first time I've seen you advocate for quantity over quality. I'm inclined to agree with you here about the potential consequences requiring an expensive date has on the womans' ability to secure a good man, I also have to consider what evidence such demand shows of a womans' failure in the dating market. In contrast, sleeping around has the consequence of deterring men from wanting to commit to her and also hinders her pair bonding ability. When a woman sluts it up, she permanently renders herself as low quality and cannot simply stop slutting it up in order to raise her value. If a woman demands money to be spent on her and gets no dates or does not get long term relationships out of that requirement, she can simply stop demanding that and no harm will have been done to lower her value other than the time she wasted doing it. But wasting time dating is not evidence of a failure unless she has past her prime and is still doing the thing that is causing men to flee from her grasp.

WAATGM Elements:

- Demanding money to be spent for her time

- Comes across as demanding and bitchy

Missing Elements:

- Complaining about not getting commitment

- Past her prime and continuing to waste her efforts

- Using men to get free dates and attention without the intention of ever getting with them (friendzone)

- Demanding a hot guy that has options do more for her than most other women need

- Needing to be bailed out of a shitty situation or requiring emotional support without offering substantial value to a man in return

A young woman is a premium product in the dating markets and therefore is able to command a premium price. And if she is hot, then she is not only able to command a better price, but she also has more leeway in her attitude and personality. For this reason, we must have evidence that she has squandered her youth or devalued her product (i.e. slutting it up or egregiously seeking superficial traits, or is a pain in the ass to deal with that no man would even consider her).

Furthermore, this particular post shows that her selection demand is positively reinforced because she wants to communicate with her date. Now, one could argue that no such standard is required for her to assess compatibility, but that isn't really what is being debated. Her standard not providing the effect she states she is looking for is a failure, but isn't evidence until it prevents her from actually getting what she says she wants out of it. In fact, having a standard and failing at getting the assumed relationship is how humans grow and learn what they want out of life and their purpose.

As you also pointed out, she says "first date", which is strike 3 in determining what problems she poses to her suitors. She can't be considered a gold digger because the act of spending money is not what she is after. She has a selection process and is attempting to use that to weed out men that would waste her time. I'm not a woman, so I can't really attest to the effectiveness of this strategy, but I also cannot see any evidence that this strategy doesn't work either.

In conclusion, while I appreciated your pun usage (twas a good one), I cannot agree with your assessment here, nor can I use your assessment for future posts as it lacks the desire to seek out content that provides evidence of a womans' failure in getting a good man. Thank you for esteemed opinion and I do hope you continue to challenge me and my decisions moving forward in this way.

[–]kevin32Reddit's Ambassador for NiceGuys™ 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

From the OP when asked if she would be grateful if a man took her to a less expensive restaurant:

I would eat the food entertain him for the night until he takes me home then block his number. Cant be fucking with no broke man

Does this not count for something? Her statement is the reason why men won't pay for expensive dinners. She'd go on the date and get a free meal knowing in advance that it wasn't going anywhere.

Of course I'm not advocating poorer quality just to see more posts, just that if it fits basic WAATGM elements (which in this case is Entitlement Princess and Gold Digger to my bias), it could be allowed and restricted to the weekends to at least stimulate discussion and for men to share their perspectives and stories. If we impose too many conditions on a particular Carol, then it would rarely get posted.

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