Introducing MGTOW and Incels

Webweasel_priyom · 2018-08-06T20:46:50+00:00

They need the experience to learn, its that simple.

Other than that, the first rule of fight club is, don't talk about fight club.

DangZagnut · 2018-08-06T21:51:01+00:00

From a different perspective, I think incels can be MGTOW. MGTOW is a mental state and lifestyle choice, and certainly it would be harder for incels, but I actually think it's harder for trad cons. Although of course trad cons can be incels and incels can be trad cons.

Both groups have a belief system based on worshipping women. Both chase women (initially) and have them on a pedestal. Both are blue pill about reality. Both have unreasonable expectations of women. Both think they deserve something better. And both are very much controlled by their hormones and wanting to fuck.

A trad con can decide no women exist who matches his moral/religious/conservative beliefs, regardless of looks, but will face a huge amount of social pressure, cuz conservative and/or religious, where there is a high degree of pressure.

An incel can't get a perfect 10, and will face social pressures, but not as much as a trad con. Both will get made fun of in school perhaps, both may have pressures from family, but a liberal, atheist family, is not going to apply the same level and intensity as a highly religious family, and their church which is their only social group.

Of course, a trad con incel is pretty fucked.

An incel can decide on a life of hookers, a trad con probably won't. An incel can learn to masturbate, but a highly religious trad con may not.

Can either decide to give up the game completely? Sure. MGTOW is a destination, not a source. It may be a lot harder, but one don't have to go to a supermax prison to know one don't want to go there and understand it's a horrible place to be.

Philosognostic · 2018-08-06T22:30:14+00:00

As far as whether or not someone can be a "true" Mgtow without being burned at least once, does one have to become a junkie before learning to avoid heroin? The answer is the same in both cases, some do, some don't. Personally even in my blue pill days I was leery of marriage and paranoid about baby trapping because every factory I worked in had guys who were living examples of the hell that came with both. So it's not that they don't see it, it's that they cannot yet draw the logical conclusions from it because to do so requires a complete change of one's worldview akin to a nervous breakdown or midlife crisis and that is not something most people are going to voluntarily do.

Also those of us who came of age before the internet had no chance of deprograming at a young age because any time we voiced our observations we were slammed down by family friends and culture, and everything we learned, we learned on our own. I didn't hear about the red pill until 2015, when the reality of it was something that finally hit home to me in 2011 after an devestating breakup. So someone younger, who has access to the answers some of us spent years searching for choosing to not make the same mistakes I and many others did, has a leg up in my opinion. (also yes I am slightly envious of you young fuckers for having the option of not having to learn the hard way. Now get off my lawn!)

As far as our incel friends hanging on to an illusion, it is in many ways all that they have left.

We're talking about a group of people whose entire experience of social dynamics is to be sent straight to the bottom and repeated kicked by everyone. A harsh truth of human nature is that most of us need to feel superior to someone, and under no circumstances will we ever let that someone better themselves or raise themselves above their station. Steven King provides an example of this in one of his forewards when he speaks of an omega girl who tried coming to school with an improved appearance and new clothes only to be even more viciously attacked than before. So the lesson they internalize is that Trying is the first step towards failure.

Over a long enough time frame this kind of thing is rammed into them so deeply that anyone who uses the words self improvement in their presence is automatically suspected of either bullshiting them or setting them up to fail as part of a joke. The negative level of self worth they operate at is not something most people can imagine easily. The black pill mindset is one of someone who has no hope, nothing positive in their lives, unhealed psychological wounds, and no expectation that any of this can ever be changed. So hanging on to the disney fantasy, even is they suspect it is false makes sense because without it all they have is the abyss.

For them the black pill is logical extrapolations derived from what they experience in their daily lives. For them, the issue isn't so much learning to deal with women but with a society that has made it clear to them that they are subhuman filth. Imagine an animal that has been subjected to electric shocks whenever it tried to eat from the food dish, then is mocked for not trying to eat. Now we come along and show them the food is shit anyway.

So is it any suprise that their first and strongest response is to claim that the food is not and cannot be shit? Because if they believe us then they are forced to conclude that they are unworthy even of shit, and for someone with negative self worth, that is a line of thought that leads to eating a bullet or making others do so. So when they hamster, it is in many cases the self preservation instinct at work in a way it rarely is for anyone else.

I'm not saying that we need to hold a pity party for them, but we do need to understand that where the incels are concerned we are dealing with people who are very badly damaged and that solutions for their dilemma are not the same as they are for most people.

SaltTax · 2018-08-06T21:17:52+00:00

Are there rational incels who recognize redpill truth and consciously opt out for mgtow? Maybe. All the ones I've seen are spiteful little bastards who's every word oozes envy and absolute obsession. A true mgtow doesn't give a fuck.

Muh Chad

Muh Stacey

Muh Cope

I want to have sympathy for them but I just can't because they're so insufferable. I hate that mgtow is associated with incels because the two things are not even remotely similar.

2018-08-06T22:35:53+00:00

What I notice is, that the Incels have a false perspective. They somehow think that Women worship Chad but that's not true at all. They fail to see the whole issue from every angle. They don't recognise the fucked up mentality of women. If a woman gets „Chad“ she manipulates him and attacks him with so many shit tests until he turns into an ugly Beta Fucker so she can loose attraction and search for another victim.

henrysmyagent · 2018-08-06T21:05:28+00:00

Fuck you very much! Statistics and facts are well known tools of the oppressive Patriarchy. My fealz are realz! /s

CodeSheff · 2018-08-06T21:03:57+00:00

Ya'll are sad bunch, not every woman is out to get you lol

Title	Introducing MGTOW and Incels
Author	MenGoingTOWin
Upvotes	4
Comments	25
Date	August 6, 2018 8:33 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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