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Bloodstained brothers - impressive and in-depth look at the intactivist movement

JohnKimble111

December 6, 2015
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/r/MensRights
http://yaleherald.com/news-and-features/covers/bloodstained-brothers/
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Title Bloodstained brothers - impressive and in-depth look at the intactivist movement
Author

JohnKimble111

Upvotes 10
Comments 6
Date December 6, 2015 1:49 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3vm0k6/bloodstained_brothers_impressive_and_indepth_look/
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Comments

[–]dalkon 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

To repeat my comment from /r/Intactivists:

The title of this should be "Yale Doctor Adam Hittelman doesn't know much about infant genital surgery but he sure loves it."

The author knows nothing about her topic. She doesn't seem to be aware that she does have a prepuce too. The clitoral hood is the prepuce or foreskin of the clitoris. And she's not aware that the only reason her clitoral hood is protected by law is because it is considered to be a part of the clitoris.

Why isn't the penile foreskin considered to be a part of the penis?

Other corrections: Intactivism started in the early rather than the late '80s, but there has been opposition to infant genital surgery for the mutilating aspect from the initial 19th century medicalization of ritual religious genital surgery (which first occurred in Germany, spread to the UK and only from there to the US, an aspect of its history circumcision activists always ignore). Her history of the 19th century medicalization of circumcision is especially bad, and her history of circumcision from the 1970s is almost pure circumcision activism.

Especially because of how insidiously inaccuracies and accurate information are blended, this is easily the nastiest circumcision activism I've seen all year.

One of the comments was a lot better than this article:


I am an American medical student. On the whole, I am happy with my profession, and proud that I will graduate medical school next year.

But it is truly the shame of American medicine that our physicians have now spent over a century trying to dredge up dubious justifications to profit off irreversible amputative surgery on nonconsenting infants.

The rest of the developed world doesn’t perform routine circumcision on infants. There is no evidence at all that they are less healthy than us. Circumcision promoters can gish-gallop all manner of contested associations, but they cannot contest reality. And the fact of the matter is that there is absolutely no public health case for forcibly removing healthy, functional tissue from an infant before he can decide for himself what he wants.

Good on these intactivists for saying what I cannot, for fear of professional retribution. I wish them success, and I hope we can someday end this madness.

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*As an aside, I believe you (or the Dr. you talked to) made some errors in the numbers, most notably in UTI risk. That number refers to the chance that a febrile, hospitalized infant will have a UTI. The UTI incidence in boys is approximately 1%, as per the European rebuttal you mentioned.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2013/03/12/peds.2012-2896.full.pdf


* What made you think this article was impressive or in-depth, OP?

[–]JohnKimble111[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well it's certainly lengthy and everything is relative. Most articles about intactivism in the media are usually brief, 100% ignorant, unsympathetic and often mock those involved or victims of MGM. Therefore it's impressive relative to most of what gets written about intactivists.

I don't care if the author was ignorant - the fact is that she was willing to listen and learn and become less ignorant in the porcess. The same can't be said of 95% of journalists who attempt to write about men's issues.

[–]dalkon 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She seems to have become a stronger circumcision activist for what she learned (from circumcision activist Dr. Hittelman), doesn't she?

[–]JohnKimble111[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not sure. Good journalists show balance by presenting both sides of the argument. The statistics are flawed of course but the conclusions of the article are sympathetic towards Bloodstained Men indicating they've won the argument.

[–]dalkon 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you consider journalism about female child genital cutting biased when it does not present pro-surgery arguments too?

I didn't downvote this, but I hope you don't think this is intactivism.

[–]zulu127 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This little gem indicates the author's [and many women's] attitude and response to the suffering of men and boys:

I arrange my face in what I hope is a sympathetic expression.

In other words, after hearing about a man's story of crying all the time as a newborn coming home from the [circumcision] hospital she has to feign sympathy.

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