Okay ive been watching some MGTOW channels and forums for quite a while. I came to the conclusion that these men in general have no idea how to deal with women and most of them seem to lost. I would shake my head about the stupid shit in in the comments - just bitter hate. IF you dont understand how to deal with a computer, dont complain about it when you faile to use it. Most articles are about beta provider males. ITs so deep in beta land the thing to go "your own way" after that is almost going from an all meat diet do an all fruit diet overnight. Most MGTOW men seem to hide behind avatars - are they in shape do they know how to look good or decent? Or are these are just the guys that lost it a long time ago and are too lazy to something about it?

Let me get this straight if you make no boundaries as a man you deserve it to be rolled over by women, you never learned your lesson man. Most of the MGTOWs then go into the "im a man" mode while they are still boys that are angry. Giving up women is giving up on insticts. Sex with women makes you happy, gives you energy and female energy. I feel tons better with hot sex and getting laid. Why would i give up on that? Sure if im someone with a low SMV i can give up and say "AWALT". I tell you: you guys never ever learned to lead women. You never learned what women sexually desire.

You still should go after your GOALS in life. Never make women your center of attention. It takes away your leading. I see this in every mgtow story that i read....You had no real goal and desire to begin with so what the fuck are you bitching about?

Id say most of them were beta providers to begin with and it was clear the marriage would fail. You have to accept if youre in a relation YOU are the captain and if you bitch about it then youre simply weak and violate the laws of mother nature. Women follow. If you dont lead them: guess what you lose it. Ignore all the feministic crap - all women RESPOND to that. If you cant deal with the woman in any way because shes abusive or crazy: walk away. But dont do that with all women.

Then these men found a crowd that told them how its all womens fault because they manipulate us and try to put us down and blablabla hypergamy blablabla. So...Youre telling me its impossible to deal with women? Youre making yourself a victim. Its totally possible to deal with women. I could teach any guy how to get good with women and how to keep them longer.

You got to be kidding me with the examples they give.

For example you go on a dinner with a hot lady. Tell her from the start that you wont pay. Most MGTOWs ive seen in the podcasts still payd. Are you fucking retarded? You make yourself a victim and then complain. Its like crashing your car on purpose and be like: THIS IS NOT FAIR MY LIFE SUCKS AND ALL CARS ARE THE SAME.

The MGTOWs frame would be to "whine" about how fucked up women are to be abuse you for dinner. Youre just an ATM. I never payed for one dinner in fact women payed me dinner because of what? Because i made it fucking CLEAR that im not paying and i never will. Women bought me beer, drinks.... they even loved it.

Have you ever tryed to FLIP THE PLATES? I got paid like a fucking playboy and i dont look like a model. Youre her daddy. I just learned to say no. I grew up with 5 women and this is a crazy shitstorm so you i probably had the advantage to be more hardend up to begin with. Some simple TRP stuff was all i needed to make me kinda a lay-machine. Im not proud of it tho, i think its a waste of time to drown in pussy too much but you still learn a lot about women and the QUALITY of woman you spend your time with.

There are many women where its clear from the start that shes all about the money. Its clear ad night and day, while other girls will be more about the JOURNEY WITH YOU.

Scan the women youre with. Are they healthy? What were their relations like? How do they behave around friends? All this gets totally generalized and thats fucking stupid.

If a woman would insist on me paying i would just leave and not even think about it again. I would tell you if i stand up and make it clear that im leaving if she insists on me paying 50% of women will beg you to stay and even pay for you. That happend to me once. And if she would insist you clearly know that shes not your type of girl.

I once had a girl flake on the date and i told her i dont know what world she lives in but in my world you say "sorry i cant make it tonight". She payed me a whole dinner und sucked me nicely the same night. Why? Ask yourself. It was basically free dinner and sex.

It seems like im turning things around that you cry about all day.

Thats another point. Most MGTOWS seemed to have failed to analyze the woman they are with or been with. I can see "abusive" chicks a mile away. Maybe youre constipated from all the junk foods and not enough fruits and veggies and you cant think clear. But its clear you have to go through some shit to see which women are okay and which you better avoid. Its idiotic to say "oh all women are like that" - the women will treat you often according to the core of masculinity that you have.

So im currently seeing a girl that loves to cook for me, loves to suck me, loves to buy me gifts and dinner. She once hardcore shit tested me and i passed that. I just ripped her clothes off and she loved it. I blame myself. I got too lazy with her and got too much in the state that everything is a given. She has no problem with it i never ask for it. Whats wrong MGTOW? AWALT?

Establish a clear sense of who you are and what you want and what you dont. Learn to lead women. Youre the captain. Dont be the super alpha dick just be a man. A man knows what he wants. So you think you dont want women anymore because Sandman - who is very weak and gossipy which are signs of a boy not a man - told you so? Thats all you fucking need. I dont say marry. Marriage might be flawed by nature because monogamy is not a good state its really hard work. But i even know couples where the man is so strong the woman just FOLLOWS. She follows as long as he leads. If you complain about that you dont understand women. She would not think of doing anything like to divorce him. He even earns way less than her. I could give countless examples.

So you violated your own laws and you do nothing to make that better? Hotties will fuck you if you have these values and if they are STRONG they will even suck you if youre way out of their league. Why? Because they know youre a man. And thats very rare.

We have a crisis in masculinity that is super super bad. Most grow up beta and buy into beta disney land. I get all of that. But what holds you back to become a man? Dont compare someone who is still a "yeah maybe" type of guy with a man who excaclty knows what he wants. Dont be the sandman guy that pays dinner to "make it a social experiment". The woman will respond totally different to each guy.

MGTOW talk about being a man. Being a man means to establish strong CORE values and to LEAD women. They dont lead women. And as long as you dont lead, you cant complain, you maybe picked the wrong chick.