I have no game

abdada · 2017-02-10T19:38:15+00:00

Are you taking an SSRI or Adderall by chance?

Approaching 8 girls isn't enough.

Approach 10, close 1 -- that's 9 failures and 1 success.

Approach 100, close 13 -- 13 successes and the failures don't count much.

Approach 1000, close 126 -- now the failures don't count at all.

MattyAnon · 2017-02-10T20:15:59+00:00

Being a student in college, most of my approaches come either during or after class.

Date outside of college.

I can start conversations with women, I can notice the indications of interest they give, but I just can't close. I have approached 8 women since beginning my red pill journey and still haven't successfully closed once.

REALLY GOOD players get about a 2-3% lay ratio. That means they lay one in thirty women they approach.

It works very roughly like this (treat all figures as illustrative rather than concrete):

1/3 women will be completely uninterested

1/3 will be interested but are not interested enough or are otherwise unavailable.

1/3 are interested enough you can talk to them for a while, try to arrange an instadate or see them again, swap numbers, etc.

Of those, half agree to an actual date.

Of those, half flake and half turn up.

Of the ones that turn up, you close 1/3 after a few dates.

That means you lay 1 in 36 of the women you approach.

What makes this bearable is that you are not taking 36 women on dates. Only 12 take any talking-to time at all, only 3 are turning up on dates. You arrange your life so you don't care if they flake, you keep initial dates short to avoid wasting time, etc.

Generally if you don't bang them same day they'll see you again. Let's say you bang a girl on average 10 times.

That means your total investment per lay is only 3.6 approaches, about 1/3 of a date and whatever time you spend with the girl you fuck. Pretty good deal huh?

This is probably optimum assuming you can cold approach.

Somewhat easier: meet girls semi socially with a bit of a warmup (eg friend of a friend met casually in a bar, or meet in a bar where you are well known). Escalate, don't be too concerned about IOI's, push things along, tease. Successrate maybe 10% but the other 90% won't be too bad. Higher success rate than cold approach but less opportunities. You need a reasonably good social reputation (people speak well of you, you're fun, considered attractive, etc).

Getting easier: meet girls fully socially (eg at a party), escalate slowly, do the moves but wait for IOIs at each stage. Very time costly, relatively easy, most men do roughly this. Success rate say 30%. Slight decrease in quality, massive decrease in quantity.

Even easier: meet girls socially, wait for them to do all the work, either tease them along to the lay or take over once certain they are into you. This gets you girls that are not as hot and are often frankly mental. Success rate close to 100% but probably unacceptable decrease in quality and quantity unless you are completely totally rejection-phobic and risk averse. Even if you're hot enough that this works, it's not the best plan.

but I just can't close.

You need to do this a LOT more.

RedditAdminsSuck_88 · 2017-02-10T19:40:01+00:00

Would be nice to know how you are approaching.

LordThunderbolt · 2017-02-11T18:38:43+00:00

Get a job as a waiter in a restaurant in your city. You will have to talk to people all the time. You will have to dress nice, and with some liquor in their system girls will flirt with you when u serve them.

Title	I have no game
Author	Patsfan2332
Upvotes	6
Comments	11
Date	February 10, 2017 7:37 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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