You can’t argue with an emoticon.
Readership: All
Theme: Problems with The Red Pill / Misunderstood Models / Misapplied Models
Author’s Note: This post expands several comments I’ve made in the past, with some input from Jack.
Length: 800 words
Reading Time: 4 minutes
Why is it that every conversation eventually devolves into a discussion of what women want?
Why is it that men can never talk about what men want and need?
It’s because there is no way men can ever win the “men need things too” argument with women. Never. The basic reason is because most men are not attractive, and because men are expendable, and women have no time, no reason, and no motivation to listen to non-Tingle inducing men. But women will do this to all men!
Every time men talk about what they want and need, women take it extremely personally. They all think we are coming directly to them and telling them, personally, that they need to “do something” or “give [men] something”.
Women are completely and totally unable to think abstractly or objectively about this. Women are completely and totally unable to look at facts, data, statistics, and logic, and divorce themselves from their own feelings about this. Even women who genuinely love the man they’re with or who are married will get defensive whenever men drop the pretty lies that women love to hear and start speaking impartially and objectively. Whenever generalities are made, women will immediately launch into her feelings about it and then an argument ensues.
The reason is because for women, everything is personal. “The personal is political.” Remember that from feminism? Everything’s personal. Everything is always and forever about how it affects her, personally. Everything’s an attack on her or an accolade to her. Everything’s good for her or bad for her. Everything’s always all about her.
Facts don’t matter. Logic and reason don’t matter. Data, statistics – all irrelevant. All that matters is how that lil ol girl sitting there feels about it.
I see this EVERY time this is discussed at Sigma Frame, or Spawny’s Space, or on Reddit. EVERY time I say “Women are X” or “Men don’t like Y from women”, it always devolves into…
“I’m not like that!”
“But my friends aren’t like that!”
“But church women aren’t like that!”
Followed by…
“Where’s the nuance?”
“That makes me feel bad!”
“You can’t generalize like that!”
“Why are you always saying ALL this and ALL that?”
Eventually culminating in…
“You’re attacking me!”
Or
“Shut up you m!s0gynist incel!”
Or the classic bulverism,
“Who hurt you?!?”
My all-time favorite signal that she has no argument.
The fact that she has no argument is exactly why you can’t ever win this argument. This is also exactly why men should never get into arguments with women.
Can’t talk about facts. Can’t talk about what’s generally true, because well, “my first cousin’s friend’s mom’s secretary wasn’t ‘like that’, so you’re just an !ncel and you shut up!”
There’s no way to deal with that. None. No way to respond to women who won’t deal with facts, data, statistics, and men’s lived experiences.
We might think that this is a Misunderstood Model, that is, women are making a false deduction from an inductive model. But actually, they’re not capable of that depth of reasoning.
What’s really happening here is women are being faced with facts and cannot deal with it, so they deflect and evade to their fee fees, where they have the rhetorical upper hand, and say, “I am feeling bad and therefore YOU are bad and NO SEX FOR YOU, YOU BIG MEANIE POOPY HEAD !NCEL!”
What is clearly understood is that admitting to the legitimacy of the facts and recognizing the model, opinions, etc. as valid would lead to women being held accountable for their actions, and that is utterly anathema! That must be avoided at all costs!
So you see, it is a Misapplied Model. It’s not misunderstood at all; it is intentionally denied and evaded. No purpose, no vision, and everything is taken personally.
If you don’t give in to their psychological abuse and keep hammering on the facts, then eventually women get bored and tired. Their eyes glaze over and they’ll cut off the convo in favor of doing something else more ‘exciting’. So then women will say things like…
“This conversation is stupid.”
“This is not exciting at all.”
“This is sooo booooriiiing.”
Here, ‘stupid’ is a projection. ‘Excitement’ is an anesthetic of distraction which is necessary to prevent them from ever facing the truth about reality or themselves and thus developing agency. ‘Boring’ means that no such ‘excitement’ is present, and so some extra work is required to prevent themselves from getting real. Remember that for young women, agency is anathema. Having fun and sticking it to men is a much more enjoyable alternative.
At that point, the message is, “You and your opinion — men’s opinions – don’t mean jack sh!t to me! So go F_ck off, yew moron!”
That’s how these arguments always go. And that’s why men always lose. And that’s why they’re walking away.
Related
- Σ Frame: The 13 Harbingers of Masculine Doom (2022/9/7)
- Σ Frame (Thedeti): Deti on Female Agency (2022/11/8)
- Σ Frame: What we’ve learned about Female Agency (2022/12/20)
- Σ Frame: Asherah Makes Demands: Give Women what they want! (2023/2/27)
- Σ Frame (Oscar): The Lie of Female Hypoagency (2024/4/1)
