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Rejection is always better than regret. Rejection is momentary, regret is forever.
/r/seduction10/04/18 04:59 PM

The reason I don't recommend this approach is because any digital platform is a buffer to avoid facing the real problem. The real problem is fear of rejection. Digital platforms provide the illusion of a mitigated rejection. What you are selling as success is really not. Entering a relationship with a girl without having handled the core problems all these mechanisms are designed to avoid is a great recipe to follow if your goal is voluntary enslavement.
/r/seduction10/04/18 04:55 PM
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You should pay attention to all the things that came to your mind when I said "success". Also notice that I did not mention a stable career or education. Additionally, I agree with you. The idea that guys who get laid are educated and/or have stable careers is black and white thinking, and it's also false. I would add that even for serious relationships this remains false.
/r/seduction10/04/18 04:41 PM

The good news here is that you have a reasonably achievable set of goals. Getting appreciation from the opposite gender, and sex. The problem is that if you are not the best possible man that she can get, then you aren't getting with her. It's that simple. You ask: "How am I going to go from meeting some chick to getting a date and getting some action--all of these steps--with the kind of life and disability I have? Does anyone look at the odds?" The answer is, you don't. It isn't pretty, but yo…
/r/seduction09/04/18 04:26 PM

You've missed the point AromaticTie. Don't message IG accounts that look like they belong to girls, go out and talk to real girls.
/r/seduction07/04/18 06:00 PM

Not sure if you are a girl or a guy... I think it's fine if you are a girl. Guys resort to these approaches when their core desires aren't stronger than their fear of rejection.
/r/seduction07/04/18 05:07 PM

This is a quite feminine approach to courting.
/r/seduction07/04/18 02:44 PM
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You are treading dangerous waters here sir. The "im gonna end up alone " is a dangerous and false idea. It's better to be alone than to settle for a substandard companion. It's easier to pity yourself and tell yourself you are going to end up alone than to face the reality of your desires and risk rejection. I'm not sure if you are a guy or a girl, but if you are a guy know that your worth isn't related to your relationship status. Also, stop being a freaking potato. Love yourself.
/r/seduction07/04/18 02:42 PM
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Fake it until you make it. A change in external behavior will produce a change in internal behavior. What this means, in an actionable item is this. When you are about to do something, whatever it is. Ask yourself: "Is this that I am about to do something the person I'm trying to become would do?" Every answer should bring you closer to becoming who you think you can be.
/r/seduction07/04/18 02:32 PM

It is not your fault that you have ADD, mild autism and learning problems. It is your responsibility to make yourself happy.
/r/seduction07/04/18 02:27 PM
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Mark Manson's book is good book! At it's core neediness is a yearning to be loved the way you want to be loved. Plus thinking that a woman can love you the way you want to be loved. There are levels above this, which includes external validation.
/r/seduction07/04/18 02:22 PM
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It's hard to give any useful advise with so little information. I will say that it is your responsibility for it to develop into something. Declare your intentions. Use tact, but whatever you do; do not apologize for it. If you do this sober, you have an exponentially greater chance of success. And no hangover.
/r/seduction06/04/18 11:53 PM
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Figure out what in your behavior is making them neg you. Women only neg when they have a hunch that who you say you are isn't the same as how you are coming across. You are getting a savage neg, so I will say this. I don't know where you got this idea that looks don't matter, but get rid of it. They do, and they matter a lot.
/r/seduction06/04/18 11:47 PM
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You sir, are getting savagely closer to "getting it". Always, rejection is better than regret.
/r/seduction06/04/18 11:10 PM
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Online dating is a crutch that will teach you to walk funny.
/r/seduction17/03/17 10:22 PM
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Online dating is a crutch that will teach you to walk funny.
/r/seduction17/03/17 10:22 PM
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A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. Next time, focus on step 2.
/r/seduction17/03/17 10:08 PM
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There is more to it. Watch it. The guy that summarized it half assed it.
/r/seduction08/01/17 04:43 AM
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Don't cross that line. You might not realize this, but your integrity is at risk. If you continue down that road you will end up getting better at it, and someday down the line you will start treating yourself without integrity.
/r/seduction29/10/16 01:05 AM

I'm not saying these guys were not terrible as per your account, and pending a further definition of 'cunt' I may or may not agree with your final assessment. Nonetheless, I would add that you'd be surprised how quickly the room can change once you hook one hot girl, even after N number of girls did not respond while everyone was watching.
/r/seduction18/10/16 01:24 AM
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if you can pull this off, then it's ideal.
/r/seduction30/09/16 02:53 AM
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This. And do it now before they metastasize to your brain.
/r/seduction30/09/16 02:51 AM
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I have been building myself up on a rule for new women. If I look in her eyes, i talk to her. Whether its in the metro or bathroom line in a bar or a funeral. I deliberately avoid looking at girls on my commute or when rushed, given the rule. This rule helps a lot at night in bars and clubs.
/r/seduction30/09/16 02:49 AM
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Yes. I do this and bouncers/waiters fucking help you out. They have even opened for me. I do tip $4 on a $6 beer, but hey. It works.
/r/seduction30/09/16 02:43 AM
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You sir, are choking on truth.
/r/seduction30/09/16 02:40 AM
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Presumes that calibrating-before-the-fact is a good idea Assumes her logistics are un-changeable It is pussy footing around the reality of the interaction "you've caught my eye" is cowering behind an understatement. Any female worth a starbucks pumpking latte will catch that. There is a more but I do have to work. Nevertheless number 2 is enough for anybody to stay miles away. The rest are just bonus fails.
/r/seduction29/09/16 01:53 PM

Oh god terrible advice please no one reads this... It has the stink of a woman's "logic" all over it.
/r/seduction29/09/16 03:23 AM
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The same thing happens in many careers. You need experience to get a job. A job provides experience. In professions we have internships. Find 6s or even 5s and make that your internship. When you reach the point of being confident on your ability to fuck at that level, take it up a notch. It won't be long until you notice how similar girls are regardless of looks in terms of approach. Once you get to that place the cost of approaching your ideal woman will be the same as approaching a 5.
/r/seduction29/09/16 03:19 AM
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I would bet $100 you aren't being perceived as confident as perhaps you indeed are. If you aren't improving get scientific. Take metris.
/r/seduction29/09/16 03:13 AM
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There might be better ways, but I use: https://www.amazon.com/Megafeis-F12-Digital-Recorder-Wireless/dp/B00LLW2F40/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1474905671&sr=8-3&keywords=audio+recorder+pen Wear it on my shirt or pants, it's a really good device.
/r/seduction26/09/16 04:03 PM
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Well OP was asking how to get to the high value level without being rich and famous. As for getting laid, I don't think those qualities are needed. Being alive is needed. Having charisma, ambition and leadership qualities sure do help but aren't needed. As a side note, I don't think these qualities help you get laid because your social value increases by being charismatic, ambitious and having leadership skills. Rather, they help you because being on your path and purpose helps you think about y…
/r/seduction26/09/16 12:50 PM

I record audio, not video, but you can learn a lot if you pay attention. I have 3 categories: content, chronology and delivery. Content Logistics Did I get all the information I need to make a decision about this girl? Topics Number of topics covered and degree of relation between the topics. (I've found that the higher the topics and the lower the relation the better) Tests Quality of witty responses (usually I steal her wittiness and/or shit tests). Here I also track what strategy I used for d…
/r/seduction25/09/16 11:37 PM
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This an un-scientific suggestion. Find a metric that peers can evaluate independently from yourself and arrive at similar conclusions.
/r/seduction25/09/16 06:40 PM

I don't know anything about depression. For social skill, I measure my progress by recording my interactions with women. There are specific, measurable metrics I use for evaluating the quality of the interaction. But without going into details, I go through the previous weekend ones on Friday before going out. I cringe with the early recordings, no wonder I made them feel so uncomfortable. Recent recordings are almost fun to listen to.
/r/seduction25/09/16 06:37 PM
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You don't. Call her.
/r/seduction25/09/16 06:22 PM
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What are the differences for each item in your list?
/r/seduction25/09/16 06:20 PM

For what purpuse are you suggesting that these qualities are needed for?
/r/seduction25/09/16 06:17 PM
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I keep saying this; people's behavior toward you isn't a statement about your value. It's a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves.
/r/seduction25/09/16 02:57 AM

Don't buy the social status bullcrap. She will rationalize where you fit in terms of "social status" if she likes you; regardless of who you are. She will do the same if she doesn't like you. There is a man, and there is a woman. Everything else is fluff.
/r/seduction25/09/16 02:52 AM
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This is the problem with this whole sub, we can't help if our starting point is how you perceive your problem (unless it's an inner game type of problem). Look, I can build a comment on top of your perception of your problem. The truth is that there is something that you aren't seeing, and sure as hell no one that finds out about your situation through your perception is going to be able to see it. We need concrete data in order to be able to see what's missing in your worldview. Record an inter…
/r/seduction18/09/16 01:44 AM
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Exactly my sticking point right now. I've made mental note to jump around various topics after the first logistics questions. I talk about camping supplies, coffee brewing strategies, tennis skills. All the sort of shit I would like a girl I share time with to have. State transfer between humans is a real thing. You will make her feel what you feel, and vice versa. The goal is make sure both you and her are feeling fun. Easy to say, I know. Sometimes... If the girl is uber hot... I forget... And…
/r/seduction17/09/16 10:41 PM

All guys answer what she asks right away, so yes, not telling them will trip them out for sure. However it's not a roadblock. The longer you delay it the harder she will try. It becomes a game where she is engaged in trying to figure you out. Not only that, you can use it as leverage to get her to do things like jumping jacks or barking. It is also possible the she: Isn't interested in playing anything with you (in this case calibrate accordingly, you haven't hooked her just yet) Will make a nuc…
/r/seduction04/09/16 09:32 PM

Why is she deciding what information you share?
/r/seduction04/09/16 02:03 AM
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Record one of your approaches, have people comment on it. I bet there is something about it you haven't noticed that someone else will.
/r/seduction04/09/16 02:01 AM
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Being the prize is not equal to doing nothing. Girls walk up and talk to people without losing her "prize" frame. I have seen them poke and leave and wait to be chased. Men can do it too.
/r/seduction22/08/16 01:01 PM
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It took me a while to get here. If I got into anything serious with any of these girls I would probably end up resenting them for making me lose on that 'abundance'. This whole night is already making me want to just stop talking to all of them. Start from scratch.
/r/seduction13/08/16 05:35 AM
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People's behavior toward you isn't a statement about your value as a person. It's a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves.
/r/seduction02/08/16 12:28 PM

However you feel like rationalizing your decisions, stop. Go out and talk to women. Get legitimate data. Keep a journal with said data, examples: How many times have your heard "x" response? How do I respond to that in the future? (this is where reddit gets useful) At what pitch was your voice? What was your internal state like? (remember that humans can transfer their emotional states to other humans). Were you able to control the frame? How did you posture change as the interaction progressed?…
/r/seduction01/08/16 10:54 PM

I refuse to believe you have gone out in to the world and verified these numbers yourself. Go talk to 1000 women and record and upload every approach. If you haven't fucked more than 1 girl I will give you $.50 per recording.
/r/seduction30/07/16 06:52 PM

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... Cold approaches is my bread and butter. Go out and talk to strangers. Go. Go. Go.
/r/seduction30/07/16 01:06 AM
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Silence is a powerful weapon. There are things that can only be learned by sarging solo.
/r/seduction29/07/16 10:18 PM

I like the experience angle here, I would add that the other explanations presented are mostly "gap" theories, I've had very limited success with "gap" theories.
/r/seduction25/07/16 04:22 PM

Lately I'm starting to doubt the whole "human beings fall into categories" mindset. The hottest girls go from "nothing you do is impressing" at the bar, to very insecure after hooking up. It becomes about what other girls are wearing, her shoes vs other girls shoes, she doesn't even want to be in coffee shop with people she considers "creepers". By the way, I take the whole scene of being made late to dinner because she doesn't know what fucking shoes to wear as one gigantic, long running shit t…
/r/seduction25/07/16 12:59 PM

This dude is asking the real questions here.... Honestly I'm uncomfortable with some conclusions that I have reached, and I'm not entirely sure why... Examples: I find values* that I legitimatly admire in girls that are less attractive than the girls I usually go for. When I talk to them I think to myself: "Am I so fucking shallow that her hotness is making me miss out on a legitimate connection?" The sort of hot girl I usally select baffles me, because they aren't people I can wholesomely respe…
/r/seduction25/07/16 02:41 AM
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I wish I had heard 5 a year ago! Oh well. Great post sir.
/r/seduction23/07/16 01:31 AM

Honestly you come off as someone who is easily affected by external stimuli. Girls pick up on that so very quickly. Plus you have painted yourself as a guy with no options (telling her you want out of dating due to flakes). Both are probably the same reasons why other girls flake.
/r/seduction23/07/16 12:51 AM
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I mean that it was silly of me to consider this "I have a new standard and all future girls will be equally or hotter than x" bs. I should continue to operate the same as before meeting her.
/r/seduction18/07/16 12:24 PM
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Winning.
/r/seduction17/07/16 09:48 PM
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I wouldn't go as far as a oneitis... but I get it.
/r/seduction17/07/16 04:16 PM
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I can't share pic, she is famous enough in her city that it would be very very easy to find her. Plus I don't see how being significantly affected by this one hot girl is much to brag about... It's pretty lame. I like this answer better than my friend's suggestions... I think that if I apply this stardard to all girls then I will end up having a lot less sex than usual... which would be terrible.
/r/seduction17/07/16 04:15 PM
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This comment is the result of a weak frame. It wouldn't surprise me if this guy is easily influenced. Don't listen to this. It matters, but not nearly as much as it is commonly pressumed.
/r/seduction17/07/16 02:52 AM
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What Woujo means with: "The first "win" is realizing that getting validation from women isn't a "win"" is that you have to be at the cause, not at the effect. Whatever the girl says or does it should have no effect on you. I understand that scarcity might be driving you right now, and that's honestly what got me started in the first place. However, if you don't overcome scarcity as a motivator you will settle for a lot less than you deserve given your heightened level of self-awareness. Know thi…
/r/seduction17/07/16 01:34 AM
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Don't buy into that shit, when a girl likes you she likes you. Period. To which point I will add that you should have fucked her already... Anyway, now that you haven't, you need to do that. Invite her over again, or do something that logistically makes sense. If she refuses to join you then stop chasing it, is done. However, if she comes over then just have sex with her. Ignore the "I really don't deserve you" text, and switch the conversation to your new plans! Women don't care about truth, th…
/r/seduction16/07/16 04:23 PM
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Same thing happend to me first time I went out solo. Made me realize I'm terrible at this. Kept at it, and now I'm a lot better and have a decent amount of women available for play. Granted I tend to go for blondes/gingers only so not everybody agrees they are hot, but hey. To each it's own.
/r/seduction15/07/16 11:13 PM
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Don't just look at her every time you go to the gym! That perpetuates a circle of creepyness that over time will create a very negative association in her brain about you "The creepy guy that just stares at me". Meet her as soon as possible, introduce yourself in whatever way you want. For example, if you just started to go to the gym in July 1st; say hi to her that first day (the earlier the better). Over time keep saying 1 stupid thing to her every day (tell her about your weekend, or ask her …
/r/seduction14/07/16 10:50 AM
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It isn't as awkward as you explain it. I take the metro to work everyday, and when I sit next to a hot chick I lean over a bit and ask 2 questions sort of like: "What are you reading?" (I tend to use this question when I've already read what they are reading, so that I can tease them if they missed the meaning of literary symbols found in the book) or "Have you seen Hamilton?" or "Are we commute buddies?". If they are interested in talking then they will take their headphones out or put the book…
/r/seduction14/07/16 10:41 AM
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Funny, but a concept single-handedly passed down through generations by women to empower them and put men down. Don't believe it.
/r/seduction14/07/16 10:33 AM
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I personally believe women are neither accountable or responsable. So when they say things like this I just ignore it because women don't know what they want. If you spike her emotions in a positive way for a long enough period of time, she will backwards rationalize whatever you are doing to her in positive terms to explain it to both herself and her friends.
/r/seduction14/07/16 10:29 AM
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You need a wingman, plus what Kobinis said.
/r/seduction13/07/16 04:23 AM
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This.
/r/seduction11/07/16 06:02 AM
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Empty words, but legit advertising skills.
/r/seduction11/07/16 06:01 AM
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How to beat the feeling: This is inner game shit, you basically feel that you aren't good enough. For me, this stopped with the realization of what a man is, and what a man isn't. I've internalized that a perfect 10 of a man is a man that is constantly struggling to improve himself; be it working out, or going to school, or investing in shit, whatever it is he hasn't peaked yet. You need to discover your own definitions, and become it. Again, for me being on my path and purpose did it.... so muc…
/r/seduction09/07/16 08:47 PM
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Do. Not. Do. This.
/r/seduction09/07/16 08:34 PM
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I would say def. respond when she texts you, and if you are going to initiate ask yourself this: "Would I send this to a friend I'm not sexually interested in?" If the answer is yes, don't send it. There is no way to constantly stay on a girl's radar this early on. Girls have TONS of options. The best strategy I can think of is to elicit strong but positive emotional responses with you text messages, that way she will think of you. If you send her a "Hey how are you?" like all the other dweebs s…
/r/seduction09/07/16 07:57 PM
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Sounds like she is putting you in the candidates bin, but is having some fun with the Spaniards. If you don't mind waiting it out, she will eventually make up her mind about you and let you know. Until then, I recommend you go on other dates. Lots of other dates!
/r/seduction08/07/16 10:57 PM
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Stop. Online. Dating. Stop it. It forces you to skip the approach, and attraction building. These are what ultimately will allow you to hand pick your woman. In other words, tinder is a super market. Learn how to fish!
/r/seduction08/07/16 10:51 PM
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That's some legit advice right there, but I think that it's a nuanced distinction that can only be reconized after climbing mount frame. I don't think this is something you can explain to a newbie. Disclaimer here, when I say newbie I mean in terms of "frame". A newbie, for this argument, being someone who can't even bear to stand in a bar by himself because he can't handle the social pressure that his own brain is creating. In other words, some things that are possible don't seem at all possibl…
/r/seduction08/07/16 10:45 PM
1

My approach is pretty much always the same, regardless of the size of the group. I walk right up to the girl look at her in the eye and I say "I like you". Most girls just get flushed and giggle for a while after I say it. It gets pretty friendly if there are no other overbearing masculine members. However, I have had a guy jump into the convo right after she stops giggling and say "That's my little sister man". Shit like that throws my game off (sometimes even ruins the set), and I guess that's…
/r/seduction08/07/16 08:15 PM
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I'd recommend to stay away from apps/internet. Go wherever women go; yoga, barnes and nobles, bars and clubs. Yes, she might get weirded out for a bit at first but once you realize how much happier her day got because you approached it changes how you look at her getting "weirded out"; it's worht it for both parties imo.
/r/seduction08/07/16 08:07 PM
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Something that made a huge impact for me was to record the audio from my approaches. I use that audio to get feedback on my progress. I benefit from: Getting advice on the situation as it happened, not as I was able to recollect and convey it. Noticed a billion mistakes I had no idea I made. Have been able to measure the succes of my methodolody by comparing later approaches with early approaches. Two is so so so so big, I can't even.
/r/seduction07/07/16 10:09 PM
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Go to the gym for sure, but don't think that your body is a significant factor in getting a girl... I'm a fat ass, and I've been getting fatter for the last three months; but my results have been improving the whole time. As far as game goes, go over the classic literature, the type of shit some people come here to regurgitate (Mystery, David D, Julian Blanc). After you do that go out, and go out A LOT. You will see how much of the literature is just some guy's emotional reaction to an environme…
/r/seduction04/07/16 04:56 AM
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If you want to unwittingly follow social norms and conventions, then I have no reasonable advice. Maybe write her a poem? As a kid I had luck singing but I happen to be an average singer. However, if you want results then change the way you react against situations like this one. It will eventually change who you are. You are analytical enough to be able to differentiate between rough sex and sexual assault. I guarantee it won't be the first time she gets slammed into things, or the last.
/r/seduction30/06/16 11:07 PM
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What we in the West define as the true self is actually patterns of continuous responses to people and the world; patterns that have built up over time. In other words, pick up is for anybody willing to get in the mental rituals that will eventually produce a PUA. Pay attention to your mental habits, it takes a lot of work to remain an average joe. About as much work as being anything else you can imagine.
/r/seduction30/06/16 10:48 PM
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Buddy you need the nuclear option. At this point you guys are comfortable enough with each other so that you can invite her over for no good reason. As soon as she walks in slam her against the wall and finger her. If at any point she says "No", then stop. Ask her to leave(the nicest, but firmest way you can imagine. No hesitation!), then go out and find a new girl (even if she begs to stay). Ask her to come over the next day if she begged to stay. Then rinse and repeat. She wont ask you to stop…
/r/seduction30/06/16 10:42 PM
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I can tell you what you are doing wrong. You are using Tinder.
/r/seduction30/06/16 10:30 PM
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It's about as absurd as getting a job out of school, all jobs hire people with experience. Guess who doesn't have any experience and needs a job? There are ways around this with jobs, and also with women. The first time I hooked up with my definition of a 10 she was drunk af, and I was drunk too. The second time I went up to another such girl with a couple of drinks in, got her number and went on a date. After those two (and yes, only two of that caliber so far), whenever I see my exact type of …
/r/seduction30/06/16 02:29 AM
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Man up and face the music. If she didn't fuck someone else this trip (which gauging by how freaked out/stalker you got, she prolly did...) she will in another trip. That doesn't mean she doesn't love you or is a bad woman, or a bad person, or a bad wife. All it means is she loves riding the alpha bus, and she hasn't seen one in a while.
/r/TheRedPill29/06/16 03:05 AM
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You should worry less about her and more about you, women will backwards rationalize anything into their current emotional state. That being said... there is nothing to gain from such an easy broad. It might even hurt your game. If it wasn't already a done deal I would argue that at least you can get the game experience out of it.
/r/seduction29/06/16 01:17 AM
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I have 1 friend I hang out with maybe one weekend of the month; the rest of the weekends I spend with girls I meet sarging. I'm not sure this fits your category of kiling it.
/r/seduction29/06/16 01:06 AM
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I've been wearing this (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00LLW2F40/ref=sxl1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467033256&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65) in the pocket of my shirt. Nobody has even mentioned it yet.
/r/seduction27/06/16 01:16 PM
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You could, but if you set your hot standard to mean: women over 6 feet. You are going to have a hard time finding enough of them to practice, and once you run into the one that neatly feats with what you are looking for you are going to be less prepared. It's kind of along the same lines as to why you have to game guys. Personallly I don't find them attractive or generally interesting, but gaming guys is very helpful. You learn to sharpen your wit, and increase your ability to think on your feet…
/r/seduction26/06/16 04:30 PM
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There is a point, improvement. At least it happens to me that if I stop doing it, over time my skills just deteriorate. Like a foreign language. I can get it back, but it ain't as sharp. And I fail to see how this constant self-improvement would run against abundance mentality... Perhaps you can elaborate?
/r/seduction26/06/16 04:34 AM
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SMV is bullshit even in close/small social circles. If you are clever enough you can hold dating the more attractive friend over the head of the less attactive one, and vice-versa, and use it to your favor. I can't emphasize this enough, SMV is bullshit. It's a concept handed down by smart women to men with difficulties dealing with social pressure. Guess for whose benefit? Additionally, I agree with the numbers thing; with the added note that attractiveness-as-a-number is relevant only for conv…
/r/seduction25/06/16 09:23 PM
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What makes you think she wanted a future with you?
/r/seduction25/06/16 09:08 PM
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Whether a girl is attrative or un-attractive is irrelevant to how much return on investment you get when you experience a broad range of distinct female personalities, and how to game them. What will happen is that over time you will notice how there is a finite set of personalities, and you start seeing them over and over; sometimes in an unattractive girl, sometimes with an attractive girl.
/r/seduction25/06/16 08:57 PM
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Practice dates are a must. I have the same date for all girls, either a 6 or a 10. This also helps alleviate nervousness when you actually like the girl a lot.
/r/seduction25/06/16 08:47 PM
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I mean no offense man, but this make you seem like a pussy. At least it looks like you have a core tenant down; being congruent.
/r/seduction17/06/16 03:58 AM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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