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IFS is a conservative religious think tank. They have a pretty extreme bias even by conservative standards. The first article you shared also seems to back women’s narrative, I’m not sure if you read it based on your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 04:46 AM
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Happiness is down across the board, though that’s in part because for the first times it’s acceptable to actually acknowledge mental health struggles, but we also have to keep in mind in the U.S. half the country has come out in support of open sadism especially against women. Hence why they’re called the rapey right.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 06:07 PM
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I think it’s because if a family holds to these values they’re grooming young girls to be more vulnerable to abuse and limiting their freedom and choices compared to their peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:16 PM
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I’ve always seen a relationship as deep emotional intimacy (without being toxic or codependent) first and foremost. If I couldn’t have that I wouldn’t be with a person. I’ve been in quite a few relationships and have been with my wife for over 11 years and it’s never been an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:35 PM
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https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2017/05/mais-haddad-arab-world-laws-protect-the-rapist-not-the-victim/ Rape victims punished and perpetrators protected https://unsdg.un.org/latest/stories/deep-wounds-arab-region-survivors-gender-based-violence-wonder-where-turn Domestic violence not taken seriously and underreported due to laws and culture backing men against women https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/03/14/saudi-arabia-religious-police-role-school-fire-criticized School fire where girls were not all…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:56 AM
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The facts do agree with me. Your culture treats women like prisoners and punching bags. Similarly because women are often punished themselves for being raped in your culture it’s not reported. the most likely person to kill a woman is her husband, and as we both know the Middle East is pretty much the only place where her brother or father will also kill her at such a high rate, and those three are the ones who get power and control over her life and get to dictate every single thing about it be…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:19 AM
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The facts do agree with me. Your culture treats women like prisoners and punching bags. Similarly because women are often punished themselves for being raped in your culture it’s not reported. the most likely person to kill a woman is her husband, and as we both know the Middle East is pretty much the only place where her brother or father will also kill her at such a high rate, and those three are the ones who get power and control over her life and get to dictate every single thing about it be…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:13 AM
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No, these laws treat women like chattel and the men in her family are often the largest threat to them, and these laws aid in that abuse, with many taking Quran 4:34 to bless male on female domestic violence. Hence why across the board your stats don’t mean a whole lot because half of our crimes are entirely legal within those cultures so there’s nothing to report
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 08:58 PM
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https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/07/18/trapped/how-male-guardianship-policies-restrict-womens-travel-and-mobility-middle Here’s just one example of how the law there favors men and oppresses women and girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:50 AM
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So you were born in an egalitarian culture and you still have these bigoted views? 13 year olds can’t consent, neither can 6 or 9 year olds. The Middle East has an abysmal human rights record when it comes to women, both historically and today, as mentioned. Limited freedom, rights, and opportunities compared to men, and oppressive and degrading male guardianship laws where women are treated as permanent minors. Also all crime and health statistics you’re referring to are pretty irrelevant when …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 12:37 AM
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Are you a troll, dense, or evil? We were talking about your cultures propensity for marrying young girls to old men. That’s sex trafficking. Arranged marriages generally take place in cultures that discriminate against women and girls as a rule putting pressure on them to accept because they’re generally not allowed to provide for themselves, similarly if their parents don’t actually care about them they will likely just choose men that are advantageous for them as opposed to a good match for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:21 PM
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I have an issue with it being sex trafficking, gross, predatory, and little girls carrying babies before their bodies are ready. Because it’s never “a say” it’s pressure, if not force. Parents have their own biases and these cultures are often highly misogynistic so there’s often little if any regard for the woman’s wishes or wellbeing. Because the husband is getting a second wife which means the first wife now only has half a husband, and it treats women as property. Similarly, if you actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 12:09 AM
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Marriage used to be a father sex trafficking his daughter. Do you think we’ve improved on that tradition?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 12:01 AM
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Yeah, tell that to all of history’s slaves, domestic abuse victims, involuntary eunuchs, and every woman who’s had clit cut off.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:13 PM
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The marrying off of young girls to old men was specifically mentioned already, but I would also include any marriage that features male guardianship. I mean you even think it’s okay for a man to take a second wife against his first wife’s wishes, so you clearly don’t care about your wife’s feelings at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 10:41 PM
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Conservatives fear of change has caused more harm than change ever has. It’s just a lust for control and power, and disapproval that others live lives out don’t approve of.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 10:28 PM
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Fuck them too, but for other reasons like genocide, as opposed to the predatory and inhumane relationship structure you prescribe and is commonplace in the Middle East
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:45 PM
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Better than half the population being sex trafficked to the other half, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:44 PM
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It’s not self centered if I support everyone else having the same right to do so. I’m not interested in your abusive culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:33 PM
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Have you seen the Middle East?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:19 PM
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In most cultures that practice this type of relationship the men are rapey and abusive so the fathers are likely to pick a rapey abusive dude like themself
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:34 PM
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Conservative parents make liberal kids because conservative parents treat their children, especially daughters, like chattel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:31 PM
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What’s the point of being alive if you’re not free?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:28 PM
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Each of those roles is limited in time and/or scope. Similarly each of those roles is available to anyone who can earn them. Whereas a woman is barred from leadership based solely on her being a woman and the man is awarded it based solely on him being a man and marriage encompasses the entirety of one’s life. So the man controls the entirety of the woman’s life until one of them is dead. It’s unity in the sense that the man has all the power and the woman is just along for the ride, there’s no …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:53 AM
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Really I thought the wife must submit “in everything” to the husband
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:56 AM
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Isn’t the basic idea of male headship abusive as it puts all the power in the male’s hands?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 08:06 PM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 09:33 PM
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We do agree on most things because we both prioritize the other above ourselves and it’s really not that hard to pull off. I don’t think either gender has better judgment and I think men are just as emotional as women, just different emotions like rage, lust, and disgust as they’re more socially acceptable for men. Also women are more risk averse, which can be a problem, but more risky behavior is often a larger problem. I don’t think anyone should be a passenger in their own life, and I think a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 08:31 PM
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It’s really not that heard if you try and it’s certainly better than one person having power over the other
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 07:08 PM
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Weird, I’ve been with my wife 11 years and she and I both prefer us having an equal say in our own lives. It works perfectly with neither us needing the power to impose our will and radically alter the other’s life against to eir will with the “final say.” Why don’t you let go of your pride and accept a cooperative relationship instead of one having power and control over the other? The latter is a recipe for an abusive relationship so I understand why no woman would want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:10 PM
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I don’t see men in bad faith, just red pillers self identify manipulators who use others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:56 AM
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There’s a difference between discipline and abuse, boundaries and control, and providing tough love and providing no love at all. Red pillers can’t seem to tell the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 10:21 PM
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It’s all based on what you’re said, how you identify, and how you present yourself. Sorry bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 10:24 PM
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You seem to be addicted to anger. You seem to equate masculine with red pill. Which is like equating being white with being in klan. Yes, I think you’re insecure as most men can have healthy functional relationships without this nonsense. Fathers are important but I think your idea of tough love is being a bully. Raising children is helping them become the best version of themselves, not making them who you want them to be and controlling everything they’ll do or become.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 10:20 PM
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You’re red pill, which means you follow the tenets of the red pill, which is focused on manipulating and bullying women into submitting to your will. Ergo if you had a daughter you’d want her to have a husband similar to you which would also be a manipulative condescending bully, and in your case angry, or you’d have to admit you want better for her than how you treat her mom, but you guys seem to lack self awareness so I doubt that’ll come up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 09:30 PM
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I’m a dude, just you know, not a douchebag.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 09:17 PM
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You seem to have some anger issues. I think the problem is that you’re a red pill dude, which means you’re looking to control and exploit women, which suggests you’d likely set your daughter up to be treated the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 09:08 PM
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Lmao. You literally said controlling who she dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:19 PM
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Yes, a father is insecure for doing so. Plus the men who do that are usually conservative, so usually even more controlling and abusive. The stereotype you stated of women, is more common for men and especially men who subscribe to gender roles who believe they’re entitled to power and control over their partners, because to admit they’re wrong means they “look weak”. I mean look who they vote for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:41 AM
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Shouldn’t it be “First, women were discriminated against in the workforce, education, politics, and banking, men were legally allowed to beat their wives, there was a double standard when it came to male infidelity, and sex crimes weren’t taken seriously.” ?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 10:14 AM
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Like I said, that’s good, it just doesn’t outweigh the abuse and discrimination that India’s culture imposes on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 06:14 PM
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I’m sort of confused because gender relations in India are obviously much worse given DV, SA, and discrimination issues. Clearly that’s the outcome of their beliefs. Similarly the Trump and abortion issues you bring up are legitimate, but they’re pushed by people who think exactly as you do so you’ll have to agree it’s your beliefs or those that are incredibly similar, that are causing most issues related to gender, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:06 PM
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Okay, that’s good, but any issues we have in the west related to abortion are coming from cultural conservatives who would hold similar views to India’s views on women where they are beneath and under the control of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:02 PM
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It may not be bad as Afghanistan but it’s certainly similar to SA. Obviously everything would be improved they adopted a more western culture
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:40 AM
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I’m not trying to be condescending, but isn’t it kind of obvious that India is a worse environment for women than the west by a lot?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 05:42 PM
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I would group the Saudi Arabia in with India, as they’re both patriarchal cultures that treat women as lesser beings and reduce their agency, discriminate against them, and don’t take their abuse seriously. I would say the issues are more prevalent in patriarchal cultures than in egalitarian cultures that treat women as full people. The Philippines are ranked 16th in gender equality in the world so while not being super familiar with them, it seems they take gender issues far more seriously than…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:35 PM
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I believe that they’re treated as lesser beings compared to men, and men can treat them essentially however they want without much pushback or accountability. Both DV and SA (by strangers or those known to the victim) are huge issues in India. When women flee they’re often sent back to their abuser. given the way families are structured over there she often lives with her in laws who favor her husband over her. Basically everything is stacked against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:19 PM
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I don’t think it’s a misconception. You’ve already agreed that all the issues we’ve discussed exist. The men may not be treated like cattle, but the women seem to be, hence the beatings and SA. The appearance of stability, I.e. not getting divorced, is not the same as having an actual stable, I.e. safe, marriage and when I safe I don’t just mean free from violence, but emotionally safe and a place where you can be yourself and thrive. It’s great they can say no, but that doesn’t change the press…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:58 PM
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I’m not saying you’re responsible for them, but you are responsible for promoting this relationship style and therefor if someone listened to you and suffered those same consequences would you not have some responsibility in it? No amount of DV is acceptable, and the entire culture treats women worse than it treats men, you just listed a ton of issues in India that all sound many times worse than any issues we have in the west. Being trapped in a miserable abusive marriage sounds way worse than …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:28 PM
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Those cultures also treat women like absolute garbage, with guardianship laws, weak if not nonexistent DV laws, weak SA laws that generally don’t apply within marriage, and women are generally discriminated against in all facets of life. It traps women in marriages and families in which they’re miserable. All of that sounds a lot worse than what you’ve described as issues in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:08 PM
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Doesn’t India have huge problems related to the way they treat women like DV and SA? Where’s your responsibility to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:03 PM
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The football commentator might know everything there is to know about being a quarterback but it doesn’t mean shit if he can’t throw a ball.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 12:24 AM
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The same dollar cycles through the economy many times, and the pie makers will spend their wages elsewhere and that place’s workers will spend their income, which may include the pie store. The problem is that the government has favored supply side economics killing the middle class.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:26 PM
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Or they realized you can’t advocate for liberty and justice for all while keeping half of society in bondage of the other half.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:23 PM
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Women make up half of society, advocating for their interests means you’re advocating for at least half of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:20 PM
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That’s not true if productivity scales with the amount of workers. For example, yes if one person made 5 pies and earned the wage of making 5 pies and now had that work split between them and another worker, wages decrease as they’re still only making and selling 5 pies. However with two workers you should be able to make 10 pies, and the wages should stay the same and they’re still producing and selling the same amount of goods per worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:16 PM
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Yes, society used to pressure girls into a single track of life, now they have options like men have always had, and they’re choosing to not take an incredible risk and burden. Go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:13 PM
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I don’t know if “healthy” is the right word. Little girls being married to old men and having their rape baby is not what I would consider “healthy”. Similarly most incredibly poor countries don’t have child labor protections that stop children from being exploited for their labor, meaning they add to household earnings or productivity, and that incentivizes having more children. So they’re not having more kids because they consider if a blessing, but rather to use them and then they sell off th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:41 PM
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Gilead is more progressive than Afghanistan.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:33 PM
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I can’t speak for everyone who claims an egalitarian relationship, but my wife and I are almost always on the same page when a decision needs to be made, and then we work together to solve the problem when we’re not. When we first got together our biggest difference was that I care more about having a good time than money, and she grew up poor so saving money is very important to her. We compromised by building up an emergency fund that we contribute a certain amount to with each check, allowing…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 04:24 PM
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Egalitarian marriage absolutely exists, I live one, we both respect each other and neither of us have priority in decision making. It makes for a happier and healthier relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 12:42 PM
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If that were true marriages in that age bracket wouldn’t have a much lower success rate. Being a homemaker makes her more dependent and isolated, and gives him additional leverage to exploit her. Don’t you think an egalitarian marriage will mean your daughter gets treated better since her voice will carry the same weight his does?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 07:20 AM
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None of that says anything about the man being in leadership or having control over her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 09:59 PM
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It’s not healthy that he can gatekeep everything she might ever want and can clip her wings whenever he feels like it. There’s nothing healthy in a marriage like that. I want my voice to matter the same as my spouse’s so it’s only fair for me to treat her the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 08:09 PM
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Where are you finding this data?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 08:05 PM
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Traditional relationships are based on tradition. Tradition is what has been practiced historically. So to push for a traditional relationship is to push for how things were done historically and historically men treated women like shit in marriage. Most people aren’t happier having other people control them, women included.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:55 PM
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I apologize, I saw the yellow profile picture and thought you were the same guy. I understand the traditional model, I just think it’s often not the most fair that one person has the final say, though if that’s what they both prefer so be it. I think an egalitarian cooperative model creates a more fair model where everyone gets an equal say, and I think it’s most important on those big decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:23 PM
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I apologize, I saw the yellow profile picture and thought you were the same guy. I understand the traditional model, I just think it’s often not the most fair that one person has the final say, though if that’s what they both prefer so be it. I think an egalitarian cooperative model creates a more fair model where everyone gets an equal say, and I think it’s most important on those big decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:23 PM
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I’m sorry for your loss. My grandmother couldn’t even have a driver’s license without her husband’s permission until we got modern anti-discrimination laws. History shows that support for these types of relationships always lead to harm for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:56 PM
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Her having less experience means she’ll have a worse time picking a partner and knowing herself and her goals, setting her up for a marriage that will be more likely to be unhappy. Everyone should respect their spouse or partner, but a “traditional” marriage usually has women infantilized at best or subjugated and abused at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:20 PM
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Why would you want her to get married sooner rather than later if she is going to be more likely to end up unhappy? Also if you care about what she wants in the first question why would you want her in a trad marriage where what she wants doesn’t matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:15 PM
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Would you care about what happened to your grandma? Because assuming you’re an adult your grandma likely faced systemic discrimination and a police force that didn’t take abuse seriously even after it was criminalized which only happened in 1920.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:12 PM
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Idk my wife is much more concerned with cleanliness than I am, I clean more than I normally would to please her, but obviously everyone’s space should be respected. I don’t see what any of that has to do with obedience though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:59 PM
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Not presently due to changes in laws and culture, but for the majority of human history men have had the authority to beat their wives without consequence, and many cultures even went so far as to encourage it. It’s only because we’ve moved away from your values that we’ve gotten to a place where women are treated like people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:39 PM
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Usually relationships like this leave the woman vulnerable to abuse and exploitation and that’s how it’s worked out more often than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:31 PM
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I think most people would rather provide for themselves rather than be controlled by someone else. Similarly isn’t what she does for the relationship, like idk carrying and birthing children, of infinitely more value? Why do you not owe her obedience?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:53 PM
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I think given the history of these types of relationships women are obviously harmed by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:50 PM
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Wouldn’t she be more likely to end up unhappy if she settles before full brain development and before either her or her partner have figured out who they really are? Plus if she’s your daughter you might pressure her into a male dominated marriage when she’s clearly better served by a relationship where what she wants actually matters?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:48 PM
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I don’t think that’s an accurate assessment, unless you mean the female role is to be wholly obedient and servile to their partner, which is what the red pill seems to want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:45 PM
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In my experience extended family can often be more a burden than a support. Especially when it’s often one person in a marriage’s birth family and they expect to do things a certain way and you’re the new person who has different ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:07 PM
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Not when your family is the burden. Look at cultures that practice this sort of thing, women are usually treated like garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 09:47 AM
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What does that mean exactly? Because it reads as reduce their agency in such a way they settle for less than what they would want or think they deserve, which is exactly like the societies I’m describing both presently and historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 09:26 AM
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I’m a little confused, you seem to be against rape, at least “in the streets”, but societies that suppress women usually are the most violent and most sexually predatory towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 09:12 AM
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Have you talked to your doctor about “being terminally online?” Treatment is available.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 09:32 PM
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It’s not pointless because a culture’s laws represent its values. At any point they could’ve outlawed it but they didn’t because for time immemorial men have had power and privilege over their wives. Women were expected to be under the total control of their husbands and violence was a method to enforce that control. I think you’re neglecting how misogynistic trad culture is even today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 08:56 AM
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Yes, but for me it was boring. I realized pretty quickly I only like relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 08:49 AM
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It being legal means women and girls (and I do emphasize girls because trads aren’t big on age of consent) weren’t protected by the law from abusive spouses. Yes, abuse still happens but as we know it’s now illegal, which means it’s actually a crime and men get punished for it, though if we look at trads in cultures like Russia it does seem trads are pushing to decriminalize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:48 AM
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It was legal, and even after if it was outlawed it wasn’t taken seriously until the 70’s. The law and culture favored male domination over women and you’re surprised that it resulted in abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:41 AM
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No, but we both know that spousal abuse is a huge issue in any culture that puts men as head of the family, and trads seem to like it that way. Hence why it took until 1920 to even outlaw DV in every state.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:35 AM
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Because it eventually leaks like with the Duggars.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:31 AM
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I think you’re ignoring that traditionalism historically and presently is replete with domestic violence and sex crimes, but they cover it up for the family’s reputation as the expense of the women and children’s safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:13 AM
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Are you potentially jaded? I’ve never had any of this experience and have been plenty successful in both dating and now marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 12:39 AM
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Idk I’ve always been myself and I don’t consider myself too manly and I’ve been very successful with woman both in dating and now marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 11:47 PM
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I’ve looked into it for over a decade, since Rapey Roosh was red pill for example. I guess I’ve never seen the appeal of not being myself as I’ve always been successful in love and life doing so without being a posturing malignant narcissist. The “playful teasing” I’ve seen is just usually trying to attack people’s insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 11:47 PM
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I mean red pill is about being manipulative and emotionally abusive, it’s not rocket science
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:53 PM
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Idk I was very successful both during my dating life and having been with my wife for 11 years and don’t do any of the red pill bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:34 PM
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I find that most men who need to call themselves manly are usually deeply insecure narcissists
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:31 PM
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I think you need to take a deep breath, it’s not that masculinity is toxic, it’s that there is type of masculinity that is toxic, the “boys don’t cry” “don’t go to the doctor” “the only type of emotions men can show are rage, lust, and disgust”, also the “let’s vote for a 26 time accused sexual predator for president” type. So I guess if you don’t want to be considered rapey don’t be so in favor of rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:56 PM
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Touch grass
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:44 AM
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The latter then.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:25 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:18 AM
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Are you taking the piss?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:54 PM
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Idk, seems silly to me especially when we learn more with each relationship and many early ones are very experimental. Though I do have some logistical questions: If you loaned someone all your money once, would you be expected to loan out all your money to the next person or just match the dollar amount? If you let a girl with really tiny fingers put one in your ass would you also have to let a girl with really big fingers put one there too? What if she just has a nub, would you have to accept …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 12:34 AM
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Right, but are you afraid that you’re not as loved as a previous partner or that you’re being settled for?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 12:13 AM
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Is it an insecurity thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 10:05 PM
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Have you considered that some people might have overextend themselves in previous relationships and allowed themselves to be taken advantage of? Should they forever allow that going forward?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:57 PM
1

Have you heard of male headship or complementarianism?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 02:25 PM
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Ephesians 5:22 Corinthians 11:3 Peter 3:1
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 01:22 PM
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You do. That’s not everyone. Blue collar jobs are shrinking and it still proves that many men aren’t the larger earner where you claimed men always lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 02:32 PM
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I’m thinking about all the verses that prescribe marital hierarchy and give men power and control over their wives thus limiting their rights, freedom, and opportunities. Which is also what was used to justify legal domestic violence, coverture, and discrimination against women in most facets of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:38 AM
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That’s not true though, as women have increased in earnings it’s often them who are losing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 01:20 AM
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I mean for women it’s a huge change, often uncomfortable if not miserable, and then a painful birth process that often leads to lifelong change. I understand as a Christian making women miserable is kind of the point, male headship for example, but that’s a possible reason especially now that the abandonment of Christian principles have led to greater educational and vocational opportunities for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 01:18 AM
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I find that the people who talk the way you do are usually the absolute worst parents. Just like people who don’t want kids being pressured into being parents probably would not make good parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 01:16 AM
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It’s always the ones who say that who are the worst at running government, also usually authoritarian and rapey.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 09:31 PM
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Why would you want to stay with someone who doesn’t want to stay with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 09:27 PM
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I was responding to the idea that toxic masculinity wasn’t real.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:10 PM
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I can’t speak to your experiences but I know that most of my relationships have been improved by vulnerability and not worsened by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:17 PM
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I’m a man. I just recognize that many of them are their own worst enemy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:16 PM
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Empathy doesn’t mean I don’t recognize that many people just suck. If someone is having a tough time and blaming themselves, I’m here to help, but if they’re going on rants and becoming radicalized chances are they lack the self-awareness necessary for reflection and improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:15 PM
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Maybe I just know how to pick well and don’t settle for any woman who gives me attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:14 PM
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Whatever you need to tell yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:13 PM
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Why didn’t you respond to the rest of what I said? You claimed he wasn’t a fraud and I explained how he was. Are you that dense?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:16 AM
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Idk, if a woman acted that way I would understand we’re incompatible. I’m okay with taking risks and showing all of myself because I could never be happy in a relationship where I couldn’t. I had plenty of success before meeting my wife and now am obviously married.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 12:54 AM
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You’re familiar with the businesses, college, and charity he had to shut down due to fraud right? The dude lies more often than you or I breath. I literally don’t care about Hunter, nor does anyone else on the left because he’s just someone’s kid. He’s not holding office. He’s a sideshow and yet he offered to testify in public but your guys just shut it down because then they can’t spin it how they want. Good luck on your next insurrection.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 12:22 AM
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Fair enough, I just don’t think these men are going to be successful going forward and I don’t think holding it in is helping, as it seems most of them are either imploding or becoming radicalized online. Most the men here who are struggling seem to lean conservative as well as so maybe it’s not the “soy boys” but rather the cosplay masculinity guys. Similarly turning sexual success into a competition is what makes much of this discourse so toxic and I would consider that another display of toxi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 12:03 AM
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Fair enough, abortion is clearly a big deal for women and conservatives love the idea of them suffering for 9 months of involuntary pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:39 PM
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He’s a con artist, just like Donald. You’d think you’d like that. You seem to be getting worked up or are you, Don Jr, and Hunter splitting a bag?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:37 PM
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Well what’s important is you’ve managed to make yourself feel superior to both sides. Bravo.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:29 PM
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They were born rich raised rich and have been involved in corrupt deals since day one, and only Ivanka has the excuse that her dad’s open lust for her can give her mental issues. I’ve made it clear why women wouldn’t want to date conservatives. Either you get it or you don’t. He’s a rapey dude and women don’t really like rapists, I’m sure you can understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:12 PM
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Yes, I’m a leftist instigator here to drive you to another act of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:10 PM
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Oh, well maybe these guys just suck or can’t get with women who accept them? Like what’s even the point of being in a relationship if you’re trapped in your own head every time you wish you could express that you’re not doing well? Idk I’m a very passionate person with big feelings, and I care about things deeply. it’s an asset that made me very successful at both work and life, with a big circle of friends and a long list of rewarding experiences. If men aren’t doing well they should switch it …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:49 PM
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Or you’re one of those. Never mind. Carry on,
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:42 PM
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I mean are the Trump kids doing great? Because they all seem just as crazed and stupid and they were given high profile jobs for no real reason and with no real qualification, and Jr seems to enjoy his drugs just as much as Hunter . We can’t control how our kids turn out. My point about him being a crazed drug addict is that you can’t trust what he says. If you agree that he’s a crazed drug addict and likely wouldn’t hold his words as truthful if he said something you didn’t like then you likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:41 PM
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So you’re admitting they’re all vindictive? Similarly they stormed the capital and tried to overturn the election, it’s a pretty big cult at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:29 PM
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I thought Hunter was a crazed drug addict? I’m of course talking about Trump’s 26 accusations, he even bragged about how young Epstein liked em. I’m a male, but conservatives are trying to strip women of their right to have an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:22 PM
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I’ve always been successful with women despite being emotional, empathetic , and open with my feelings and my wife loves that about me. There’s supposedly a “male loneliness epidemic” because they’re trapped alone with their feelings. Maybe it’s your outdated stereotypes from a time where most men were alcoholics who could legally beat their wives that are no longer useful?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:20 PM
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When the right made their patron saint a 26 time accused predator it’s hard for women to trust conservatives. Plus they vote to strip them of their rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:52 PM
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You don’t think guys are shamed for being emotional or different?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:49 PM
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I am both politically active and active in my union, so I definitely don’t just listen and i definitely resent following directives I disagree with. similarly my job is just my job and the government is impersonal, whereas my marriage is my life so I definitely need to be 100% on board with decisions, as should everyone in every relationship. Having one person be the decision maker is a recipe for oppression and abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:58 PM
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I’m not sure where you live but in the U.S. and all first world countries we see men and women as equals and we also question authority so we will absolutely resent that person forever if they radically alter our lives against our will. relationships are based on cooperative decision making instead of one person imposing their will on the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:09 AM
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How does one person being the final decision maker not lead to resentment from the other person? Sounds like a recipe for resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:49 PM
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You can’t take the lead on decisions and respect your partner. You either see them as a full and equal human being or you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:47 PM
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It was rhetorical
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:43 PM
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I’m providing a reason why wanting to be a leader in a relationship makes one a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:26 PM
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Why would you want a controlling interest over someone else’s life especially if you claim to love that person?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:18 PM
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Presidents and police chiefs are impersonal and your team is your job. Your marriage is your life, and no one should be relegated to a passenger in their own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:14 PM
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TRP is rooted entirely in being a narcissist. You’ve already described yourself as very strict. That doesn’t sound like “heathy boundaries”. Sounds more like your children live in fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:57 AM
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You want a submissive partner and obedient children, in a manner you describe as very strict, which I imagine means you want them to do only what you want and they have no room to explore their interests or self expression. Red pill is based entirely narcissism as you know. So I would suggest that is quite controlling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:32 PM
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Oh, you’re red pill which means you’re controlling and describe yourself as very strict which also means you’re controlling. Isn’t that suggestive having control issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:14 AM
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Do you have control issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:03 AM
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I’m just gonna keep doing what I’m doing and be happy doing it. It’s been over a decade and she still gets excited every time she sees me even though we live together.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:40 AM
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Sorry you’ve had a rough go of it, but I’ve never hid my feelings and I don’t intend to start. Sounds like being in prison. We have a healthy and active sex life and she’s always been incredibly supportive of me as I have been of her. Similarly if I’m upset to the point of needing comfort, I’m not looking for sex. The same way I wouldn’t want to bone her when she’s upset. I have a total relationship that’s about all aspects of life, not just sex. Life is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:32 PM
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I can’t tell if this is tongue in cheek or serious, but I assure you that’s not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:34 PM
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We hold each other all the time. I’m completely open with her. I love her and she loves me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:01 AM
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Not true, speaking from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 12:43 AM
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I’ve cried in front of my wife when my great grandmother died. She held me. That was 9 years ago and obviously we’re still together.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 12:42 AM
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I’m a man, I’ve been emotional in front of my wife plenty. Whether it’s the death of a close family member or just a bad week, I’ve never hid my feelings. I don’t bawl over everything but I’ve cried in front of her. In all honesty I don’t know why I’d want to be in a relationship where I couldn’t say how I’m feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 12:40 AM
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No, they just don’t give a shit about women being brutalized. They consider it a private family matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:51 PM
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Are you in Europe? Because the Russian Orthodox Church pushed for domestic violence to be decriminalized and was successful in doing so. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/01/07/russian-orthodox-leader-rails-against-foreign-domestic-violence-law-a68829 Here in the U.S., where I live, the overwhelming majority of evangelical Christians voted for a 26 time accused sexual predator in Donald Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 09:57 PM
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What are you talking about? I never said you can’t strive towards whatever I’m asking why you hold others to much higher standards than you hold yourself? why are you talking shit about high partner count women and making claims about them when you yourself are high partner count? Is this part of that narcissistic desire for leadership we’ve been discussing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 12:42 AM
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So wait, you don’t actually follow your faith? I didn’t mean virgin as an insult, I just thought you took your faith seriously. Are you worried that being deflowered will make you less desirable to your future spouse? Because you sure talked a lot of shit about women who have lots of sexual experience to then turn around and brag about it. As we see the church is full of diddlers and they love them, see the article I sent you. The church I sent you did everything they could to protect this guy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 12:37 AM
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Maybe you just don’t know how to treat people while still having basic standards for how you treat yourself? You’re ignoring that the majority of conservatives seem to be pro-rape and pro-DV, especially in the church, so the woman’s “leverage” is moot when they can just impose their will on their wives. I’ll assume you’re a virgin but when you’re really good at sex there’s no differential in power, my wife and I just want and pleasure each other. Men’s leadership is almost always based on intimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:11 PM
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It wasn’t a burn it was advice, which is what I’ve been trying to give you repeatedly. Without punctuation I can’t follow what you’re saying as well as I would with it. Leadership is power, having the final say in decisions is power, and you may consider that due power, I consider it oppressive and abusive as it amounts to total control. Your religion has led to countless examples of abuse, sexual predation, and other such oppression of women and children, and led to concepts like coverture and …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 09:45 PM
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Islam and Christianity both promote hierarchical relationships where the husband has all the power and control. For example, if he decides they’re moving to Russia and she doesn’t want to go, it doesn’t matter, if she wants 2 kids and he wants 26, they go 26, if she loves her job but he wants her to be a SAHM then she’s gonna be a SAHM, because she must submit to him “in everything” ergo her voice only matters as much as he decides it does, and having studied “male headship” and “complementarian…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 09:25 PM
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This is the funniest thing I have ever read.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 12:42 PM
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You have to remember that religious women are generally treated as chattel in their relationships when they are devout followers, like in Islam or Christianity where women are expected to express slavish obedience to their husbands. So they probably have to pretend to be enthusiastic about sex or even have sex they don’t want or consider degrading in their relationship to try to earn even basic consideration from their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 12:41 PM
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You literally wrote a post “women have ruined men?” and wrote what was described as a “painfully whiny rant” about how women have ruined men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:26 AM
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Have you heard of punctuation? It can assist your readers in being able to follow your screeds. Nature can certainly be oppressive, obviously men using their physical advantages to impose their will on their wives is by its very nature oppression and abuse. Most psychological studies show that women are just as effective at leadership as men, though that can be difficult to accept for self aggrandizing narcissists to accept, case in point. Using unverifiable religion and red pill junk science to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 10:58 AM
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I don’t want to be cheated on, but I also don’t want anyone being hurt or oppressed. I’m not sure which flavor of Christian you are, but given your red pill talking points I’m assuming you’re familiar with male headship where wives are to be submissive to (controlled by) their husbands. Obviously that’s gross and oppressive. If you want a paternity test it should be made clear from day 1 of the relationship so that the woman can decide whether she wants to be in a relationship knowing that you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:09 AM
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Right, and if you don’t trust your wife enough then she’s not your wife and you’re most likely already divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 11:16 AM
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Is your life going well?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 11:15 AM
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They’re both violations of trust and taking advantage of another person to have things as you want them to be at their expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 11:14 AM
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Which is more common: Paternity fraud or DV? Hint: DV.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 09:57 AM
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Yes, but also have the biological privilege of having children with tearing your body apart, and similarly there is no party more likely to kill a woman than her intimate partner and domestic violence occurs more frequently than paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 09:55 AM
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Nearly 20% of marriages have DV, paternity fraud is estimated to be somewhere between 1-3.7%. Why would it be illogical to take precautions? Especially with a guy who’s red pill or red pill adjacent who is going to have a psychological profile most similar to a wife beater given his utter contempt and need for control.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 09:50 AM
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Paternity fraud occurs less frequently than domestic violence so why shouldn’t a woman take precautions?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 09:47 AM
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I disagree, it suggests pretty severe insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 01:45 AM
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I’m assuming anyone who is red pill or has overlapping values with red pill is more likely to abuse women, and Christians of course oppress women. Is it reasonable to not trust your spouse without cause?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 01:17 AM
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That’s not even what your article said, dumbass. It said 30% who ask, which is itself a much smaller subsection of those who have children, it said actual estimates account for 1 to 3.7%. Did you post an article without reading it? Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 01:09 AM
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So you don’t think emotional instability would be a likely precursor to violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:54 AM
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Murder already is a felony and letting your wife know you would kill her is almost certainly cause to leave you and find a better man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:50 AM
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Could you not do the same for your insecurities?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:49 AM
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Is it a false equivalency? Both are unlikely but both happen. This is just sad. I’m happily in love and have been for over a decade and it’s made my life all the more valuable. It might be the only thing I’ve ever valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:49 AM
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Your own article: The murder of female victims is most often perpetrated within the framework of an intimate relationship. Usually, homicides against women are carried out by their male partners, at what turns out to be the end of a trajectory of escalating abuse or dominance (Schwartz 2010).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:43 AM
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She’ll live with her best friend or family. How is it not comparable? All the same arguments apply, and I imagine the men more likely to ask for this sort of test are more likely to have the deep seated emotional issues that will likely lead to her untimely demise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:41 AM
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How would you prove you have no intention, both presently and in the future, of killing her? She’s just going to have to trust you, right? I’m not saying you can’t ask for the test, I’m saying you can’t ask for the test and not take it as an implicit accusation and evidence of a lack of trust and she can and should react accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:37 AM
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“Hey stop murdering me! don’t you know it’s against the law?!” The consequences of killing are usually higher, doesn’t stop it from happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:33 AM
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That’s my point, if you trusted her enough to marry her why ask for a paternity test?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:28 AM
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If you trusted her enough to marry her you shouldn’t assume the trust is broken without cause. Presumably she’d have her own private dwelling or live with her parents or a close friend. Though even bringing this up seems like we’re getting lost in the weeds.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:19 AM
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Where was it established she was rummaging through his phone? “Depending on how good everything else is” assuming nothing else is as good as this accusation is bad you should understand her fleeing. Sure, have a stance, be open and clear about it so they can know to run. I’m assuming since you’ve claimed religious affiliation before you hold to a patriarchal relationship structure where you get total control?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:14 AM
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Okay, so you’re not even in a relationship? This is like planning your nba career when you can’t even make the high school team. Okay, so if a woman thinks a man asking for a paternity test in unhinged and therefore decides to leave him is that reasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 11:52 PM
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Plenty of men murder their spouse or partner well into a relationship, so why shouldn’t she have some sort of text or precaution against you murdering her? It’s just a simple text to say you haven’t killed her she sends to her best friend every couple hours every day forever for her peace of mind. She should have peace of mind, right? I mean there’s a non-zero chance you kill her if you look at how many men have murdered their wife or partner. It’s not a lack of trust, she just wants to be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 11:46 PM
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Casual sex/early relationship =/= at the stage where you’re having a child with someone. Basically it would be like having a code to text your friend for you to say you’re safe with your ONS vs having the same code to send your friend when you’re on your honeymoon. It’s an implicit lack of trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 10:41 PM
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The traditions and religions you’re referencing generally treat women like chattel and encourage or enable abusive practices as they generally have a gender hierarchy where men get to control their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 04:52 PM
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We all pass on in a singular personal experience. It just is what it is. Though I imagine if you mean being alone in the sense that not having any loved ones near by, being a red piller is more likely to lead to resentful (ex) spouses and daughters who blame their low self esteem and abusive relationships on the way their dads treated them, so that’s likely to lead to dying alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 01:28 AM
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“Honey I bought you this food you don’t like” I’m 32 and all but one of my friends, ranging from 25-35, is in a relationship or married. I’m sorry you’re having a sad and pathetic go of it but that’s on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:53 AM
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You literally said that you get to make all the important decisions, how is that not controlling?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:44 AM
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I did mean men, for some reason my new phone is doing weird autocorrect stuff. I’m sorry you’ve had that experience, it’s unfortunate that so many men act so selfishly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:42 AM
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If you’re ignoring her wishes and imposing your own it shows you don’t give a shit about her, which will extend to other issues. Similarly, it seems like you’re bitching quite a bit here so I’m assuming you’d be bitching the whole meal yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:40 AM
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I think being open about being controlling is better than not being open, but wouldn’t it be better to just not be controlling in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:31 AM
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Compromising your morals or values should not be something you have to do, doing something you’re meh about but is important to your partner should be a compromise you’re willing to make as long as there’s reciprocity. My wife knows the plot to DBZ and the rules to football through her willingness to sit through things for me, I know all the songs to wicked and the winner of last several seasons of the bachelor because of my willingness to sit through things for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:30 AM
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I’ve asked my wife to stop apologizing for things that aren’t done maliciously, which essentially is asking her to stop apologizing in general. She apologizes too much and it’s almost always about things that aren’t within her control. Given men are more brash and arrogant due to testosterone, I’d say it’s more likely they won’t apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:26 AM
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That’s silly, you go out to eat to enjoy the food.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:25 AM
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Part of compromise is agreeing to the compromise. You seem to have just forced her to do something she didn’t want to do, which does seem consistent with what red pill and red pill adjacent men on this sub are generally about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:03 AM
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The end result is the same, the man getting his way. Similarly if the man is seeking out a submissive partner I don’t think the man he’ll care whether he gets someone who trusts him or a doormat, he just wants someone who will let him have his way. A healthy loving relationship is one based on mutual love and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:55 AM
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If you enjoy sex then you’re not being used. That’s the problem is that conservatives/anti-feminists have a hard time wrapping their heads around sex being enjoyable for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:35 PM
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I’m married, with a house, a career, and plenty of friends and hobbies. Good luck hitting on girls on Reddit and trying to not masturbate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:49 AM
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If you didn’t care you wouldn’t feel the need to justify your belligerence. You can say what’s on your mind, it just doesn’t change people’s minds or accomplish what the point of this subreddit is. I too can say what’s on my mind and I’m doing just that while also debating. You just seem to want to be able to be a dick and have no one call you out on it. Do you want a special privilege where you get to speak your mind but no one else can?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:46 AM
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I thought you said you weren’t gonna go back and forth with me? I get it now you’re religious, hence the rapey attitude and the belief that women should be forced to be mothers against their will. Let me guess you think men should have all the power in the relationship? Because that’s how the majority of religions operate, hence the sexual abuse and domestic violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:42 AM
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Do you give a shit about reading? The sub is called “purple pill debate”. There’s plenty of other subs where you can just hurl noise to your troglodyte peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:35 AM
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You can say whatever you want, but getting triggered over someone not wanting children is not an argument. I didn’t call you an asshole, I said your comments demonstrate that you’re an asshole. Very slight difference, but one is just an insult and the other is attempting to make a claim based on evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:33 AM
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Because you don’t understand the concept of debate. You’re worse than bad at it, because you’re not actually doing it. It’s like if you attempt to win a soccer game by shooting your opponents in the face. You don’t understand the basic concept of what we’re doing here. You just hurl insults and that’s not debate. I don’t understand how watching a video game play though would have anything to do with cucking, but I’m assuming you don’t even have a girlfriend to cheat on or be cheated on with. Pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:30 AM
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You’re still not getting it. Your opinion is not a counter argument if it doesn’t attempt to refute the claim. For example, if we were debating if you’re an asshole saying your physical appearance is probably unsettling wouldn’t be a counter argument, but reading your comments verbatim would be a good piece of evidence as it demonstrates your character.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:25 AM
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I don’t remember asking why you’re belligerent, but you showed that you are and I responded to it. I’m sure there’s a YouTube video that explains what debates and conversations are if you still don’t understand. Let me guess you watched an Andrew Tate video and now you want to be a sex trafficker too?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:21 AM
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Beta in relation to whom? In my relationship I’m an equal. Compared to you, obviously I’m better because I’m not an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:11 AM
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It’s a debate sub. They’re making a claim. Your temper tantrum is not an argument, but based on your list of insults, I’m going to guess you’re not interested in actual debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:07 AM
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I have plenty; I’m just not an asshole, as previously stated. Again, give it a shot. If 1998 is your birth year then I still have hope you may mature at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:14 AM
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All blue pill means is “not an asshole.” Have you tried not being an asshole? It might help.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:49 AM
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I’ve never had a problem in marriage or any of my previous relationships with an equal partnership. Maybe you just can’t handle interpersonal dynamics?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:36 AM
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They get paid, promoted, and retire. All a huge improvement over being trapped with a man who controls your life 24/7.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:49 PM
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No, just your mind might be altered due to mind altering substances. You opened this door by insulting me for disagreeing with your belief in hierarchical relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:00 PM
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You literally just called me an irritable mutant lol. My point is that your perception is likely off due to substance abuse issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:26 PM
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Aren’t you on meth?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:41 PM
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I think the words themselves describe the relationship accurately, it’s just that this relationship structure is not a good one unless the woman actually feels relief at not having to make decisions, as opposed to feeling oppressed by having decisions imposed upon them. I know there are some women (and men) who belong to the former camp, but throughout history women were forced into the latter camp whether they liked it or not. Men wanting a formal hierarchy only really suggests they want their …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:38 PM
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We have all of human history to show that one side being dominant over the other is harmful if not abusive hence why we’ve strayed from this model as we’ve had a greater emphasis on freedom and safety in modern times. Both sides should be respected and want what’s best for the other. No one should be looking to control their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:46 AM
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Shouldn’t just everyone come up with a relationship structure that works for them? The problem being discussed is that trad people want male dominated relationships imposed on women and then raise girls that don’t get any choice in the matter. Since the average man and woman are going to the same average competence they should on average have an equal relationship. Obviously everyone should be respectful, not difficult, not argumentative when in a relationship but shouldn’t that flow both ways r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:33 AM
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They can’t articulate any benefits because there aren’t really any if you’re at all comfortable making decisions and have preferences about how your life should go.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:01 AM
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No, that’s my point. You’re saying women are being conditioned to react against being submissive when women have to be conditioned to be submissive instead of equal partners like they should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:55 AM
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Isn’t it the other way around? Women being conditioned to be subservient? Look at the Middle East or fundamentalist Christians.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:02 AM
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I had many partners before I met my wife and I never had to be a fake douche to get them. I was just myself. I don’t believe you, you seem jaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:55 PM
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Oh, so you’re like legit crazy? That doesn’t happen. I’ve been happily married a decade but I did try some online dating when I was younger and the worst you see is “a queen looking for my king” or shit like that. Perhaps you’re still in the online dating scene because you can’t find anyone who can tolerate you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:24 PM
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All that means is “not a douchebag.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:22 PM
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I’ve literally never heard a woman say she’s independent without it being prompted in some way, it was more common in the past but that was to draw contrast between the housewives of the past who were forced into dependency by laws and cultures that didn’t allow them to fend for themselves and instead subordinated them to men. Now that it’s been 60 or so years it’s just understood. However when there’s trads, red pillers, and other such misogynists around it becomes more necessary to state it pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:50 PM
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From what I’ve seen they’re putting out their nonnegotiables early which is only saying they’re not going to be some submissive housewife. Perhaps it’s how you interact with them that causes you to draw these conclusions? You describe them as “ masculine belligerent women” suggesting these characteristics of being uncooperative and domineering would be fine from a man in a relationship and that it’s “unladylike” to be assertive and have boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:57 PM
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One can be assertive without being adversarial and independent without being a misanthrope. You’re creating a straw (wo)man. If you think men are only attracted to doormats they can control and exploit that says more things about you and your perception of men then it does about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:39 PM
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Most women I see described as “pick me’s” are generally arguing not that they themselves are okay choosing whatever lifestyle they want but rather arguing all women suck and should have male dominated relationships imposed on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:07 PM
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Selling yourself to ISIS will also get you a guy, probably the same sort of guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:04 PM
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The trad women I’ve met usually act like PTSD victims who are scared of everything and have their entire lives controlled by their husbands while they’re trapped and isolated in the home.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:45 PM
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Anyone who pushes these types of relationships is pushing abusive relationships as they believe men get to control their wives, which is abuse. Then you also have the ones who enable physical and sexual abuse, which of course if you believe in patriarchy, it’s the next logical step. For example here in the states we have pastors like Doug Wilson, John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham, Paige Patterson, Doug Phillips, Mark Driscoll, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 11:39 AM
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Again, I disagree. Everyone has their own way they might want love or respect expressed but I don’t think it’s gendered. As a dude I think respect is the baseline for all interactions with anyone, but love is actual special part of the relationship. Similarly, I love and respect my wife too much to want to control her life which seems to be what this whole submission nonsense is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:17 AM
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Most of the pastors that I see teach this male dominated relationships are later found to have enabled abuse at their church or committed abuse themselves. It seems like most just look for self serving power.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 11:15 PM
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Eh, I want both, as does my wife. You can’t have a healthy relationship without both.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 09:12 PM
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I agree, and I also think people who make the “women are more emotional” argument generally don’t acknowledge that rage, lust, and disgust are all emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 07:10 PM
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Women were limited in their freedom, often less educated and respected based on wholesale discrimination and oppression, and often traded like cows to secure alliances, so I think it’s more of a lack of opportunity. Most of the conflicts of the past were resolved based on who was willing to be more brutal to force the other side into submission. Nowadays where diplomacy is seen as the first and best way to resolve problems I would think emotional intelligence would be a keen skill to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 07:09 PM
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Sexual submission and lifestyle submission are not the same thing or even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:45 PM
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I don’t think men make “better” leaders, I think they can make more brutal ones and therefore can extinguish their less brutal adversaries. In modern times where less and less people find this style of leadership to be at all acceptable and instead focus on things like mutual consent and an overall respect for people and their dignity, it’s become clear that both sexes can be effective leaders.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:44 PM
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Speaking as a man who aspires to all things egalitarian, I think you’ll find a wide range of opinions on the subject, but the most common will be “I don’t want someone who fights me on everything”. Which is to really say they want someone compatible/agreeable. Which is fine, but then you ask them if they want to be submissive, and they’ll say “no” despite the definition they just gave being “not fighting on everything.” Ergo, they want to be able to fight on everything but a wife/gf/partner who …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:40 PM
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You’re one who said those men would give up their lives for their wives, I’m just pointing out that even if they did it’s likely selfish as trad men are generally predatory and controlling. Similarly, the trad men will likely never give up their lives whereas they will get to control their wives no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:37 AM
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A lot of people want to go out in a blaze of glory, get a Wikipedia article out of it or what have you. It’s a form of self aggrandizement, not an act of general care or concern. If you can only “love” someone if you fully control their lives and actions, as most trad men expect of women, you don’t actually love them, because loving someone means actually wanting them to be happy and have what they want and need. For your spouse that means you’re their biggest cheerleader. So no I don’t think it…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:03 AM
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I think many conservatives in many countries are like including in the first world, look at trad cultures here in the U.S. or fundamentalist Christians. Which brings us well above .001%.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:05 AM
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I mean these jokes are terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:15 PM
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Well two doesn’t really offset the majority of the men on this sub which was my original point and given OP of this posts wants a submissive wife and finds modern women as abominations and again all of men who are either trad or conservative or religious seem to want to control women, then I think either way we’d have to agree it’s well over .001%, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:08 PM
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Well if we look for a random cross section of men, we’re going to pick up trads, conservative, religious, and just overtly misogynistic men who all fit that description, and the majority of men on this sub are very upset women have free choice, because they didn’t choose them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:26 PM
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The majority of men on this sub fit this description
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:08 PM
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Submission is yielding to the will of another, in this case her husband. This means she gives in in any conflict and he always gets his way. There is no difference between this and slavery. Yes, a submissive woman would likely do as you describe but the very argument is that you are making is that woman are not submissive and they should be and I’m arguing it’s a terrible deal for them. Women in general value partners who value their choices and opinions with great respect and will likely choose…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:55 PM
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Again submission means yielding to the will of another I.e. allowing him to make choices for her that she would not make if she was given the actual choice. Her life is controlled by him. For example, if he wants to move to Russia and she wants to stay here, you would have her move. If she loves her job, and he wants her to quit, you would have her quit. if she’s satisfied with 2 kids and he wants 26, you would have her carry 24 unwanted pregnancies. That’s slavery as her will always comes secon…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:35 PM
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Or she’s a woman with a strong sense of self, will, and her own goals, wants, and needs who wants to work collaboratively instead of being bossed around. I consider that to be a good woman. You shouldn’t be equating femininity with submission, women are more than your servants or slaves. Again, you’re looking into history for this “ideal” woman but also condemn the historical circumstances that forced women into those roles. You can’t have one without the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:04 PM
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If you don’t disagree with them choosing, then why do you have disdain for those who choose not to? A woman should not submit unless she wants to, her voice should matter just as much as a man’s and I would suggest that a man who expects or wants submission is pretty weak if they need to stand over their wife to feel powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:51 PM
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You want them to choose to submit but you disagree with their choice not to? Then you don’t want them to have a choice and therefor want them forced. Again you praise women in the past without acknowledging they were beaten and oppressed into submission. I like that my wife has her own personality, thoughts, and point of view instead of being my slave. I like being challenged and I love that she’s willful and competitive. Submission is degrading from most women’s point of view, so why would you …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:31 PM
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I am a student of history, which is why I bring up history, history you claim to not support and yet you want the same results which is a bridge you don’t seem to want to acknowledge you can’t have one without the other nor has there ever been one without the other. I think you might overestimate your skills and abilities. If a woman chooses not to submit, and is forced to anyway, which is what you seem to want, it is oppression and control. Agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:21 PM
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You seem to have your mind pretty set, but you also seem to have cognitive dissonance over the way you want women to act and the way women were treated when they acted according to your expectations. Men and women are different but that doesn’t mean that women should be controlled or oppressed, nor does it mean men should be controlled or oppressed. Women’s voices, wants, needs, dreams, goals, should carry equal weight and you seem to think that shouldn’t be the case. We’ll never see eye to eye,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:47 PM
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I think you don’t understand women or people in general. Most women prefer an equal partnership. If they want something different there’s nothing stopping them pursuing it, but if you recognize that today’s women are not submissive then doesn’t suggest they don’t want to be and therefore would not willingly do so? My wife and I are equals and it makes both of us happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:36 PM
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Submission means yielding to the will of another, I.e. allowing yourself to be controlled. They have less agency and autonomy and are restricted in their rights, freedom, and even movement. All of that is a terrible way to expect of someone or even worse, treat someone. If you love someone you want for them what they want for themselves and do what you can to support them in doing so. Do you really want a relationship where you get to impose your will on someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:27 PM
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Yet, you ascribe greater value and morals to historical societies that did all those practices. Both masculinity and femininity mean different things to different people. Do you mean masculinity as dominance and femininity as submissiveness? Because those stereotypes and roles are what justified large scale societal oppression, discrimination, and abuse that were prevalent in the historical societies you’re praising.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:46 PM
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Historically women were discriminated against in education, politics, the workforce, and banking, and their husbands were allowed to beat and rape them with no consequences. They were also barred from owning property, and essentially were treated like chattel. Is that what you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:33 AM
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I mean historically speaking men have had power over their wives in a non reciprocal fashion. For example the right to beat and rape their wives, control over all marital assets, and women have been imprisoned in the home. It seems like many men on this forum want that to return. Also while men have fought in wars, childbirth is dangerous and can be debilitating or lead to death, and was more likely to do so before modern medicine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:12 AM
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What about the percentage of men who clearly hate women and want to control everything they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:05 AM
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I think you need to imagine me a certain way because you’re deeply attached to philosophy that’s entirely for your own benefit and can’t imagine that someone could be successful just being themselves and not want to exploit or control people. Like most red pillers is it fair to assume you have a lot of resentment issues? You need to work through them. You can be successful like me without being a malignant narcissist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:45 PM
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That’s silly, i’m not trying to annoy you, I’m trying to wake you up. That said, I enjoy arguing with people and it’s easier to argue with people who lack morals as there’s nothing to feel bad about. You’ve made it clear what you want and I’ve stated why that’s a bad deal for women, then you insulted me, I tried to correct you, you insulted me again, and then I corrected you again, then you insulted me again, and that process repeated a couple more times. So who’s doing the straw men, unsubstant…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:18 PM
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Maybe we have enough evidence to suggest male dominated relationships are harmful and that women want an equal say in their own life?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:14 PM
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Doubt all you want, it has the same affect as all those who doubt the earth is round. I’m very happy in my marriage hence the whole ten years thing. Listen, today you were presented with a narrative that challenged your own and you got very defensive and insulting. I get it, I was 14 a long time ago and some people take a little longer to grow up. This is an opportunity for you to reflect, grow, and ideally start seeing women as full people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:02 PM
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No, I just understand the minds of insecure man-children and how they can’t imagine anyone being happy in a relationship where they don’t get their way 100% of the time. Also I noticed that you didn’t deny me having a sexual history puts me ahead of you. That said, If you must know my wife affectionately calls my teens until I turned 21, when her and I started dating, my “man-whore years”. I never have struggled with women post-puberty and unlike RP types I.never had to use deception, bravado, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:25 PM
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Does resorting to personal insults when challenged suggests you’ll likely do the same in your relationships? Because it comes across as insecure as most men who want this type of relationship are. I’m not going to brag about my sexual history but that I have one might is probably all that’s needed to be ahead of you, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 07:51 PM
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Being submissive in a relationship and being submissive in sex are not the same thing. Subs get a sexual thrill out of being submissive and there’s safe words, consent, and boundaries whereas in a relationship there’s no real benefit to being submissive, Similarly, nothing precludes someone from being submissive in bed but an equal partner in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 07:10 PM
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Right, so you either have a mutually beneficial relationship or a one sided one where one person submits. Seems like an easy choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:53 PM
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Loving someone means wanting what’s best for them so even if one person has a weaker will or is more conflict averse the other doesn’t take advantage of it. Whereas wanting a submissive partner means wanting someone who you can take advantage of. My relationship with my wife has never had a major conflict and we’ve been together over ten years. We’ve both done things we originally had no interest in but have grown to love them because we love each other and have grown to love the other person’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:38 PM
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I’m imagining extremes because you’re describing extremes. Do you ever have to do anything you disagree with? Authority without accountability is just tyranny. You don’t suffer anything if you fuck up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:27 PM
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And the final decision means you get to overrule her, right? Authority? Lol. That’s an absurd word to use in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:13 PM
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Either the person who wants to stay improves the house or living conditions to the point the other person doesn’t want to move, or the person who wants to move finds a house so appealing the person who wants to stay decides they want to go. In my house we generally keep the status quo when we’re proposing change and the other is opposed as we love and respect each other and believe it would be wrong to radically alter someone’s life against their will especially when you claim to love that perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:08 PM
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If your voice matters more and there’s no way for her to overrule you then her voice doesn’t matter, or only matters as much as you decide it does, and you’ve made clear that it matters less than yours. Why must she trust you over herself? Seems like a bad deal for anyone with self-respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:03 PM
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Isn’t a relationship where her voice matters just as much more beneficial to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:56 PM
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Or she can trust herself and decide she wants a relationship where her voice matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:54 PM
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Right, and men who want submissive partners generally want all the power to make such a life altering decision for their spouse and that leads to resentment and an adversarial relationship. Submission means always losing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:51 PM
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Facts are facts, and if you are as you claim to be then you treat her as if her voice doesn’t matter as you want the ability to impose your will over her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 03:41 PM
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I’m happily married, and if you believe you should have a hierarchy in your marriage you treat women as lesser, as they are lower than you. You get power and control.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 03:39 PM
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Even your own graph shows divorce dropping and when you investigate based on demographics it’s older couples that divorce, boomers specifically, a great deal more. Probably because more egalitarian attitudes lead to women actually being treated as people. Your own source for Egypt showed women could have power, as does the Vikings source, the source on native Americans literally says “In addition to these duties, depending on the region, some women participated in political, economic and religio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 02:48 PM
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You’re one who said the man has the final say, which is in reality the only say, which means her voice has no power and no weight. You also have set it up so trust only flows one way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 02:22 PM
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Yes, I find the idea of women being treated as lesser beings to be problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 02:20 PM
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Is there a way that I can take this that doesn’t suggest you’re looking for a woman with low self esteem or who is easily manipulated?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 10:25 AM
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How is wanting a relationship where you call all the shots not bossy? In your mind can a woman really trust and admire her partner without agreeing to a hierarchal relationship where her voice doesn’t matter as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 10:20 AM
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Can you clarify how being submissive isn’t the same as being a doormat? Either way the man calls all the shots, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 10:16 AM
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How is each getting their own when you want a relationship where you get the final decision over everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 10:14 AM
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How is it one sided or biased when it’s true?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:55 AM
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You wanting to have the final say on all decisions is unreasonable and controlling, right? Wouldn’t that make you bossy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:55 AM
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That’s silly, either is it’s a comforting lie women have to tell themselves because obviously it usually doesn’t work out like that or it’s saying the woman has to be servile to get anything she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:53 AM
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Seems like a distinction without a difference. Either way the man calls all the shots and the woman is just supposed to go along, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:52 AM
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I mean it’s hard to have statistics for things that are allowed and no one cared about and given DV was allowed and the state didn’t care it can’t be measured. That also ignores the maternal mortality rate before modern medicine and rape was also a spoil of war for soldiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:50 PM
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If he’s looking for someone submissive he’s looking for someone easily controlled. Looking for a masculine man doesn’t mean she’s looking for a controller.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:46 PM
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Ancient Greek philosophers for the most part believed women were inferior to men and were fairly misogynistic, Aristotle and Plutarch for example. Socrates was better but his students didn’t seem to follow his views on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:44 PM
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The burden of responsibility is irrelevant when the consequences are shared. Do you think a woman is comforted knowing he’s “responsible” when he blew all their money on some crypto scheme? Is she shielded in any way? No and no. Most people would rather have a hand on the wheel and most people would rather ruin their own lives than have their life ruined by someone else. It’s easier to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:40 PM
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Agreed, but that doesn’t change what happened. Similarly most of the men on this sub have quite the victim complex because women have options that they didn’t have before meaning they don’t have to settle for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:13 PM
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Agreed, which is why her voice should matter just as much in decision making.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:56 PM
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So I’m just supposed to waste my time teaching you basic history? Rape wasn’t a war crime until after WWII and most wars from ancient times to modernity included mass rape. Pretty much all of European history aside from some insulated regions had men as authority figure over women, including Greece, Rome, through medieval times, until the late 1800s through early 1900s allowed DV by law. Eastern Europe was and is even worse. Russia just decriminalized domestic violence in 2017. Middle East speak…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:54 PM
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What part would you dispute? It’s all fairly common knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:38 PM
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Yes, they were allowed to beat them and it’s pretty universal, aside from a handful of places like pre Colombian America and pre-Christian Scandinavia. Yes, men fought wars and rape was the major spoil of war for soldiers. Women had babies which was also more common and probably claimed more women’s lives and health than war did men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:34 PM
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Wouldn’t a capable, confident, and successful mom be a great example for your daughters? She can still be pleasant to be around even if she isn’t a doormat, unless you’re saying the man would be a terrible father for having his own opinions and making his own decisions? Why does she need to let her husband make important decisions when she can make them too? They affect her just as much in most scenarios. Is what she wants, needs, or thinks not important?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:27 PM
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Men were almost always allowed to beat their wives and while men have been oppressed it’s never been just because they were men which can’t be said for gendered oppression against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:23 PM
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If you want a submissive partner you want someone who will go along with your decisions even when they’re against them, right? Aka you want to control them. That’s sinister. I’m an egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:21 PM
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The ones brought about by feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:09 PM
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If you’re looking for someone submissive, you’re looking for someone you can control, right? Society allowed women to be beaten and oppressed for most of history, how was femininity valued? Women were pretty much always treated as second class citizens.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:06 PM
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The attractive successful man then would be looking for someone they can control, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:01 PM
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Feminism rose about because of the way men treated women. I think domestic violence being illegal, women being allowed to own property, and women not being discriminated against in education/the workforce/politics are all massive improvements.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 05:56 PM
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It seems like they have become your enemy because they told you the truth. Femininity generally subordinates women to men, aka submission, meaning they get controlled and bossed around by men. No one’s sayings it’s a conspiracy but it’s quite clear when we look to countries that don’t care about domestic violence and other forms of gendered abuse and oppression, like Russia and the Middle East, that femininity is basically a survival mechanism women engage in by basically being servile they won’…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 05:54 PM
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They were objectively worse for women, or at least in terms of all legal issues and cultural norms. I disagree with the gendered expectation for men to be unfeeling, which is why don’t conform to it, and you’ll notice it’s women who seem to want men to be able to express themselves and other men who shame men for struggling mentally and whatnot. Which is probably why men off themselves at a much higher rate than women, except in some places in the Middle East, which of course is very anti-femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:05 PM
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Look into coverture if you don’t believe men had rights over their wives in the same way parents have rights over their children, now that women have their own assets most divorces are much more amicable in terms of splitting assets with plenty of women losing more than the man, ISIS is about as opposed to feminism as it can get, and Russia literally decriminalized domestic violence making it worse to be a woman there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:24 PM
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Wrong, divorce has been dropping as a percentage of married couples, not just as a percentage of the population. Also boomers are more likely to get divorced as compared to generation X and millennials which suggests its couples that were raised in pre-second wave feminism that have the worst marriage health. So maybe imitating those values will end up worse for you. The idea that these values were uniform across societies since society was formed is not true. For example ancient Egypt, pre-Chri…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:22 PM
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If you don’t think DV against men is taken seriously enough, do something about it. I’m certainly against it. Your examples of places where DV was illegal or a cause for divorce, Ancient Egypt, Pre-Columbian America, and Viking era Scandinavia are all examples of cultures that didn’t treat women as terribly as the pre-feminist “west”, hence why feminism rose where it did. Notice how when what we consider western culture/Christianity made inroads into America and Scandinavia actually made women’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 02:48 PM
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Are you familiar with history? DV was pretty much entirely legal and then wasn’t taken seriously when it was finally made illegal, women were discriminated against in education/the workforce/politics/banking, all marital assets were considered the man’s, marital rape wasn’t a crime, men could make medical decisions for their wives without their consent including having them institutionalized, and men were generally considered to have the same rights over their wives that parents have over their …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:40 PM
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So we should go back to women being treated like chattel/second class citizens?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:30 PM
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Your original claim was as about divorce being the highest it’s been which was wrong, if you’re upset about marriage rates dropping as well I would say you should be pleased that marriage is taken seriously to the point people aren’t jumping in to it without a thought before they’re even old enough to drink. I personally don’t believe people should enter marriage without thinking it through nor do I think they should be trapped in it if they’re unhappy so I see both developments as positive. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:40 PM
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No you said you get to decide when you care so if you care about everything you get to decide everything, sure you throw her a bone for home decor but you get to decide on the house she lives in, where that house is, and if you decide that you get to move to a country where she’s treated like a nonentity, she better pack because you get to put your foot down and impose your will. If that country allows you to paint the walls with her blood, then I guess she’s not as involved in home decor as you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:03 PM
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You’re openly admitting what I just said and don’t seem to see it. You don’t get your way when you don’t care. You get your way when you do care. Which means you’re never dissatisfied and whenever you decide to care about a decision she is dissatisfied. Which means she loses on all important decisions. Basically 90% of the time “yeah we’ll eat where you want to eat because there’s something on the menu I like,” vs 10% of the time “oh by the way we’re moving to Russia where domestic violence has …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:22 PM
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Right, so when it’s not something you value that much it’s fine to let her have her way but when it is something you value you get to impose your will, doesn’t seem like a great deal. No, I see reality for what it is and you get all the power and get to ram any course of action down her throat if you have a preference, right? You’ve got 51% which means a controlling interest, and you have an interest in controlling her. Incredibly sad TBH.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 11:48 AM
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I didn’t say I would tell her. You. If my daughter wants to be a doctor or lawyer I will not discourage it. I will tell her what I think it's her choice at the end of the day if she wants less overall relationship satisfaction, because at the end of the day when women are old, they won't care about work. Their nurturing and loving nature will finally take over. They'll regret not spending their time growing a family. Finding a good man in their 20s instead of working and having to settle in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 11:45 AM
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So you either get your way because you both agree or you get your way because you don’t agree. So you always get your way. Sounds like your wife’s just along for the ride. In fact you can just disagree for the hell of it just so you get the final decision and can just impose your will. So it really is 100/0. Lol. I get it, you don’t have a functional loving relationship based on trust and mutual respect so you can’t imagine how easy it is to just agree on almost everything and work things out ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 12:26 AM
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You get the final call, which is to say you get to make any and all decisions you disagree on. That’s imposing your will. Understanding that a decision needs to be made? Unless it’s cut the red wire or the blue wire because you’re trying to defuse a bomb it’s likely you can come to a mutually satisfactory solution. Yes, I agree 49% is a bad thing, and I don’t have it, nor does my wife, nor should your wife. I think most would rather have an equal hand on the wheel in exchange for doing a little …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:27 PM
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If you want to be the 51% chances are you don’t care about the other person as you want power over them. Again 49% doesn’t mean anything as the person with 51% gets to impose their will. What happens when you’re set on a course of action and your wife is adamantly opposed? It doesn’t matter, right? Because you get the final say and can overrule her just for gigs. In a 50/50 we would just move on an find another house we both loved. It’s a house, it’s a huge decision and both need to be more than…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:13 PM
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You said you would tell her she would have less satisfaction in her relationship and not care about work which sounds like shitting on her dreams. Why doesn’t a man need the same advice? If you’re burning yourself out at work you’re going to be a bad husband and dad, right? You get to lead, which means she must follow, right? Even when it’s not somewhere she wants to go. Similarly as you make all the dough she’s more vulnerable to abuse as she has no resources of her own to fall back on. Right, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:02 PM
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51% means you can overrule the other person in any and every situation, just the same as 100%. Neither percentage has to care or listen to the party with less power as they get the final say and can just ram any course of action down the other’s throat. Well if for example we were deciding whether to have a child, obviously she’d be more affected as the one going through pregnancy. Generally we get along very well and as we actually love and respect each other we’ve never had a disagreement we c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:30 PM
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Trad relationships are hierarchal, men have the power and control, women submit, ergo the woman doesn’t get an equal say in her own life. That’s by default abusive as the man gets power and the woman is just along for the ride. If that’s what an adult woman who is aware of all her options chooses that’s her call, but if you raise a daughter in that she believes it’s her only option you are setting her up to be someone’s plaything, which you’ve already said you would tell your daughter she’ll end…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:46 PM
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The final say is the only say. 51% is the same as 100% power in a two party system. In my marriage no one has a final say by rule, generally we’re on the same page about everything but if there’s disagreement whoever is effect more usually gets the final call. Whether you view someone as inferior doesn’t matter so much as how you treat them and if you the final say, which means you get to impose your will, you’re treating them as inferior
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:42 PM
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Fair enough, I admit you’re right about the article. Looking at other statistics though, it’s pretty clear that women’s both mental and physical health have been improved by dropping historical discrimination and restrictions on women which come from traditional gender roles. 1 in 4 highly religious couples have abuse. https://ifstudies.org/ifs-admin/resources/reports/worldfamilymap-2019-051819.pdf Highly religious people generally adhere to trad gender roles. The Middle East is the only region …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:40 AM
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Yes, the trade off is the man gets all the power, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:16 AM
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Submissive means yielding to the authority of another which means obeying. As the man gets the final say that means he has total control.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:14 AM
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It’s odd that you say this when trads overwhelmingly support Trump here in the states who has a public mental break down whenever he’s attacked and unleashes belligerent attacks on anyone critical of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:12 AM
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I think happiness is a subjective figure that’s hard to compare across generations. For example it wasn’t until very recently that it was okay for anyone to even admit they were struggling mentally. Similarly, I can definitely say that as a society having more opportunities, DV becoming illegal and then being taken seriously, marital rape becoming illegal, married women being allowed to own property, and women being allowed choices in their own lives instead of being treated as lesser being are …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:06 AM
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Ooh, my favorite attack the publisher instead of dealing with even the author let alone the referenced study. Here’s psychology today if that’s better: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202102/why-many-single-women-without-children-are-so-happy?amp Of course as a trad man you have to be hard headed but if you actually read the article the source is “Paul Dolan, a professor of behavioural science at the London School of Economics, who said the latest evidence showed that …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 10:53 PM
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So you’ll tell her she’ll end up miserable and that’s how you support her ambitions? Geez I don’t want to find out what discouraging her would sound like. Some women love their work, some do it just to get a paycheck, others do it belong to something, some do it just to get out of the house because as we know housewives often feel incredibly isolated. I’m not saying they care about work more than their families, I’m saying they have a larger identity than just being a mom wheras trads treat all …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 10:23 PM
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My point is that you are dissatisfied with your jaw and that might make you overcompensate on the masculinity front. Obviously you’re right in that therapy might help. It’s good your wife wants kids and you want kids, you should be on the same page on something like that but in your relationship you get the final call so her opinion doesn’t matter as much, right? Do you think you’ll raise mentally healthy daughters when you raise them to believe their ceiling is domestic servitude? What if they …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:12 PM
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I’m not saying you have to be a nurse or have any career, I’m saying climbing the corporate ladder is not the only option for more career oriented women. Traditional women were miserable, and traditional values were to blame given women were discriminated against in all aspects of public life, DV wasn’t taken seriously, and men generally were allowed to treat their wives like crap. Back then you wouldn’t have had a choice to choose a trad life style it would just be imposed on you. Do you think …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:00 PM
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No one said your dreams are to climb a corporate ladder, many women choose helping careers where they feel they’re making a difference, such as nurses, social workers or teachers. I’ve already said do whatever you want, if that’s what you want that’s great but much like you feel people are talking down to you, you’re talking down to people who disagree with you. Keep in mind that antidepressants were designed and made because housewives were absolutely miserable. They even had to ban Qualudes be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 08:21 PM
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The fact that you post religiously to subs about people insecure about their jawlines suggests you’re insecure about your jawline. You don’t think that many if not most women don’t want creative outlets or have scientific minds or want to learn, lead, or change the world? Stability is great but many women want more than domestic servitude. In that exact scenario, I wouldn’t have brainstormed three options without her present if it’s a life altering decision, she would be involved from step one. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 08:16 PM
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You didn’t share an article or a definition, so I went based on a crew at sea, which is where first mate is most commonly used. Reading your definition is more helpful but it doesn’t really say anything other than you can be relied on to do what he doesn’t want to do, which doesn’t sound great, or as it’s referred to in the service “a shit detail”, nor does it really speak to you being able to do what you want or need, or pursue your own dreams it just means he tells you what to do and you do it…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:58 PM
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I don’t have a problem with self improvement, I have a problem with insecure boys who think they’re men taking out their insecurities on others. Your wife is not a delicate flower, many women grow bored and unhappy trapped in these lifestyles especially when they’re intelligent, you’d be surprised what challenges she can meet. Similarly most men who are into these relationship patterns are predatory, as why else would they seek out a relationship where they get more power? I’m pretty sure if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:43 PM
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A first mate on a ship has many subordinates, in a couple they’re just the lowest member and have no authority. Children are always subordinate to their parents so I don’t see being the first mate as meaning anything except being lower than the captain who has all the power.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:20 PM
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Your jawline is not a lifestyle. Obviously. Similarly you’re a 21 year old kid and already married, so why are you so worried about your appearance? Dominant means you dominate the other person, which is to control them. Equal say means your shared life is developed via agreement and compromise instead of one person imposing their will and one person being expected to give in or be “submissive”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:17 PM
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Healthy is subjective but if you enjoy it, that’s your call. The healthiest relationships generally have mutual love and respect, without hierarchy but every person should be free to live as they choose, as long as they’re not being pressured or indoctrinated like how conservatives usually do to get women into relationships like this. Out of curiosity how is there any distinction between first mate and just being on the bottom when there’s only two of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:53 PM
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I mean you seem to have a fetish based on your post history, and honestly that’s fine just don’t promote it to people who otherwise want a healthy relationship where they’re treated as equal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:29 PM
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Domination, exploitation, abuse, and oppression are all in the same category of behavior that puts yourself before others, which is the same thing. A “dominant man” is one who wants a relationship in which he has total control which does make him an abuser, at least emotionally and financially often physically as well. Making important decisions in regards to your wife’s opinion means nothing if she doesn’t have an equal say and you can steamroll her. I’ve found that most men who think this way …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:27 PM
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Are you not familiar with what you’re talking about? Rape wasn’t specifically made a war crime until after WWII and mass rape still happened in many wars since such as Yugoslavia and Rwanda.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:47 PM
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Every single one of them? Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense as these were mass campaigns of rape, not just a few lunatics on the frontlines. It was a selling point for the men to join and fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:30 PM
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Yes, we all have a responsibility to deal with the consequences of our choices and ,ideally, grow from them. Unfortunately men don’t seem to learn from having treated women awfully throughout history, hence why DV, workplace/political/educational discrimination, and marital rape were all legal. Similarly, victims were often blamed for their own abuse or sexual assault. All of those values come from the culture you seem to want to bring back and were the reason women wanted independence in the fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:55 PM
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Sure, but what we generally owe other people is, at the bare minimum, to not rape or kill them. In war it is often kill or be killed so it can be justified in defense of yourself or others, whereas there’s never a justification for rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:11 PM
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Not to everyone, similarly many of the rape victims were little girls who would suffer lifelong disabilities as a result, and those of childbearing age were forced to carry their rapists child, many were also kidnapped for sexual slavery. Personally I’d rather die, but YMMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:01 PM
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I mean the most common spoil for soldiers was the ability to rape women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:55 PM
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You’re ignoring that the idea of being independent will always be more appealing than the idea of being your partner’s plaything. The Middle East is a pretty good example of what you espouse as well as isolationist religious communities and look how they treat women. Having your own money and doing what you want is going to win over most people who are exposed to the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 12:52 PM
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I mean it’s the definition of a trad relationship. Have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 10:51 AM
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It’s inherently exploitative as they’re trying to earn more off your labor then you do off your own labor, though in fairness you have much more protection in your employment from workplace discrimination, unsafe working conditions, and sexual harassment than you do in a trad relationship. Similarly you can get promoted at work whereas in a trad relationship the woman is always trapped under the man’s thumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 10:50 AM
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I don’t think I’m projecting, you have expressed that men are “dominant” over women in these types of relationships, I.e. men get to control women which abusive. If wanting men and women to have an equal say in their own lives and be from abuse is somehow the equivalent in your mind of trads wanting women to be in oppressive relationships by default I think you might be making a false equivalence. Here’s an easy one from which me might be able to build consensus: Do you think the way women are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 10:28 AM
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Trad relationships mean men control everything, so how is that not where the danger lies?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 10:17 AM
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Parents don’t respect their kids usually, though they do love them, though when we look at trad communities it’s hard to believe parents do either as they raise the boys to be cold and unfeeling and the girls to be passive and controlled. As for love and respect in a trad relationship, or any relationship, I don’t think you can love or respect someone while you seek to control them and trad relationships are built entirely on men controlling women. Conservatives in this country seem to have had …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:38 AM
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I’m only looking at relationships from a male flaw POV because that’s where the danger lies. Trad relationships are the opposite of equal as they favor men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:31 AM
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1 in 4 (25%) seems high to me, as the general population (which includes the highly religious couples we’ve discussed and conservatives in general outside of the highly religious communities) is less than 1 in 5, though obviously any amount of abuse is horrific. I mean we look at conservatives in this country and they overwhelmingly supported a man with 26 sexual assault allegations and DV accusations against his second wife. Seems they’re very indifferent to women coming to harm or may actively…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:23 AM
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I mean trad women are generally strictly controlled by their male overseer whether their father or husband and if the girl/woman uses the internet she might get ideas or realize she’s entitled to certain rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:07 AM
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I mean in trad relationships most of the time the dad decides everything for the girl and then sells her to her husband, who then decides everything for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:01 AM
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I’m not sure what this is trying to communicate. If you’re asking whether using the internet is a priority, then I would say it’s more of a necessity and the source of most information and entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:00 AM
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I’m pointing out that as a “traditionally feminine” woman she both doesn’t have a safety net in terms of her own income and is usually expected to be submissive, meaning he gets to impose his will on her i.e. she’s more easily controlled and exploited. Whether he takes advantage or not doesn’t change that she’s in the position I described and that’s what he’s looking for. That being said, if you look at cultures that hold to these values abuse is a huge issue. 1 in 4 couples who describe themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:54 AM
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Men who want traditionally feminine women want women that are more easily controlled and exploited, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:26 AM
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Because they’re not allowed to use the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:25 AM
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how is this only a slight positive for women and how is it a huge negative for men that aren’t predators or abusers?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 05:03 PM
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feminism isn’t just about securing new rights but also working to maintain rights women have gained through feminism. Similarly feminism also provides advocacy against domestic violence and sexual assault which of course is all positive. Half this country voted for a 26 time accused sexual predator rather enthusiastically, so it’s clear these issues are still not where they should be. I think a lot of men are upset that women don’t have to settle for them because the alternative is starving to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 11:09 AM
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Age and maturity aren’t scaled 1:1 to but there’s absolutely a relationship between the two, and life experience often leads to wisdom, again not 1:1 but it still leads to learning, and more often adjustments in life practices. I agree that everyone can be taken advantage of, including by people of their same age but it’s less likely given they generally stand on similar ground. I also agree with your point on trauma as abuse often leads to personality changes, such as becoming more deferential …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:34 PM
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I think both are likely predatory with the latter being more predatory, the former might have more extenuating circumstances but it’s still weird for someone who’s about to graduate college to be dating someone about to graduate high school. I agree and I hope more sympathy is shown to male abuse victims. It’s sad how many men think it’s an honor as opposed to sexual predation, and of course the women who do it should be in jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:28 PM
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Poor decisions in that someone is being taken advantage of. A healthy relationship is one based on mutual love and respect, with neither using advantages to exploit the other. Having much more maturity and life experience navigating the adult world allows older men or women to take advantage of the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:23 PM
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People can make poor decisions when they don’t have all the facts or are lacking in life experience, for example the manosphere men get taken advantage of a lot because people play into their biases to make money off of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:17 PM
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Any age gap will be deemed predatory? that’s an exaggeration obviously. A couple years difference in your 20’s is obviously a lot different than an 18 year old dating someone in their 30’s. I mean it’s not perfect but the age/2+7 gives a pretty good result of whether a relationship is predatory. That said, I’m really sorry about what you went through, and also find it disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:43 AM
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How would they without comparable life experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:26 AM
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Does your heart also break for young girls being taken advantage of?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:22 AM
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Perhaps your personal anecdote might not represent reality all that well? Most people regardless of gender should be against predatory relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:05 AM
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Do you think it might be more of an empathy issue than a gender issue? People who don’t want anyone being preyed on are more likely to be against predatory relationships. Are you saying men are more likely to be in favor of predatory relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:00 AM
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I’m a man and I think it’s gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:49 AM
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Things are better than they’ve ever been. I know that might be your interpretation as women are now considered full and equal people with the same rights, freedoms, and opportunities as men, but I assure you that it’s better than back when men could beat their wives without consequence and women were treated like chattel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 10:46 AM
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I don’t do any of that, I just have a wife I love and a comfortable middle class existence. The church and previous generations’ values often exploited, abused, or oppressed women. I don’t blame them for wanting a job that allows them to support themselves as opposed to relying on someone else who could use that for leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 04:33 AM
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Do you think maybe it’s the church that might be the problem? A lot of churches instill unhealthy values for both men and women especially when they push hierarchal relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 04:20 AM
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it was culturally accepted norms, like coverture where women ceased being legal entities as they were considered an appendage of their husband. Facts are facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 12:42 AM
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“Protect and provide” wasn’t it basically women being trapped in a life of domestic servitude where they had no say in their own life while being beaten half the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 12:12 AM
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Well to be fair there’s a lot of overlap between red pillers/Mano sphere and pedos.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:49 PM
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That would be like a gym denouncing working out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 01:46 AM
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Wives were expected to obedient to their husbands, thus denied agency, freedom, and opportunity, they were also supposed to not deny their husbands sexually, which in an era before birth control meant lots of children. Yes, royal women might have had slightly better times but that’s not representative of the way common women had it. Martin Luther even said: "Even though they grow weary and wear themselves out with child-bearing, that is of no consequence; let them go on bearing children till the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 04:36 PM
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I don’t think it’s from ignorance, given that was how things were until we became more secular as a society, women basically gave birth until menopause or death and she was expected to be totally obedient to her husband, sort of like slavery. Obviously that’s a pretty awful deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 10:47 AM
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I think the point they were making is that they don’t believe in your god and that women have much better lives without women being treated as subservient baby factories.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 02:21 AM
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He’s entitled to ignore her advice as he gets the final call, so I don’t see a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:35 PM
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I think we should remember he’s sought out a relationship where his voice always matters more than hers which I think suggests he’s looking for power and control. Imagine a two party structure where one side is restricted from ever having more than 49% of the votes, their votes don’t matter, just like her voice doesn’t matter. The consulting firm doesn’t care if the CEO takes their opinion, they get paid the same either way and it has no effect on them whatsoever. Her entire life can be radicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:02 PM
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Lol. Let’s try it in reverse. The hate for patriarchy is more than justified, they promote domestic violence, oppression, sexual exploitation, marital rape, coverture (let me know if you need a definition for this one), the removal of women’s voices, votes, educational and vocational opportunities, they are slaving wife beating rapists. Patriarchal men are the source of all evil and are religious zealots with an appetite for causing hurt and pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:52 PM
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Her voice only matters as much as he decides it does, ergo her voice has no inherent value aside from what he ascribes to it. Whereas his voice always has value as the final say over every decision they might ever make.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:49 PM
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I believe this is what you would call “virtue signaling” but in reverse. You need help bud. My assumption is that you’re just unsuccessful with women and have developed a grudge. Try not being so hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:40 PM
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You seem to have a rather vindictive view of women and instead of trying to fix what’s wrong with you, you just want to strip women of any say in their own life. Your ideology has failed and we have the entirety of human history as well as many places in the present to show it only leads to abuse and oppression. Chaos is preferable to order built by stepping on someone’s neck. Somehow I think women probably would rather chance it then be sex trafficked by their father.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:19 PM
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I agree completely I’m just trying to see if he has any logic that can be debated against instead of just looking out for himself at every one else’s expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:17 PM
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I’ve challenged your points in other comments you didn’t respond to. That’s a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:08 PM
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I think constantly, for example: when I was reading your comment I was thinking “this guy is either a troll or needs serious help.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 07:46 PM
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They’re the only examples of Muslim cultures and they leave a lot to be desired. You said these cultures would become appealing and I’m not seeing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 07:33 PM
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No, that’s not an answer to what I said, I asked why maintain the population if half the population’s lives get worse. So your answer needs to justify why it’s important to sustain the population and why it’s more important than women’s freedom. Crime has been trending down for 30 years so criminality is fear mongering at best. you’re essentially legalizing criminality by giving men the ability to control, oppress, and abuse women, so by your own logic it seems you should be arguing that the cri…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 07:32 PM
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Yeah, hard pass. There’s a reason the Middle East has a huge problem with child marriage, forced marriage, honor killings, acid attacks, domestic violence, and it’s the only place where more women kill themselves than men, so not exactly appealing to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 07:19 PM
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You seem to have switched arguments here. You were complaining about the birth rate, and now you’re complaining about “multiple baby daddies”. If multiple means more than 2 then it’s above replacement. So you should be happy. Listen I’m sorry that you have an idealized view of the past, but it sucked and having more options is always going to be more appealing than being a sex slave. I hope you come to terms. Your definition of being a man seems to be an oppressive abuser, so you’re not really s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 07:14 PM
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Her advice and voice don’t matter if he has the final say.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 06:49 PM
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The system itself is abusive so I do blame the system, though obviously the people are to blame as well. Slavery is also an abusive system for example, though the two are essentially the same. You realize immigrants do adopt our culture for the most part, the girls and women see the freedom they’re entitled to and go for it. What’s the point of sustaining the population if half of it is treated as subhuman? It’s certainly not for their benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 06:49 PM
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Why don’t you wait until you get some actual life experience and leave your bitter incel phase behind before you start handing out advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 06:28 PM
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The problem is in those cultures abusive men are entitled to abuse their wives and then when they become abusive fathers they will choose abusive husbands like themselves for their daughters. The solution is equal opportunity and equal autonomy instead of the antiquated model where girls and women are treated like chattel.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 06:22 PM
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First mate, in a crew of two, is a meaningless title.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:12 PM
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I mean submission literally means yielding to the will of someone else, I.e. he can veto any course of action she may want and/or he can impose his will on her in terms of making decisions she is against. Women don’t have to be submissive to have a happy meaningful relationship, egalitarianism is obviously an option, and I would say a better one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:48 PM
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How can it be uplifting to have someone there who can clip your wings whenever he feels like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:07 PM
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Somehow I think women probably would rather chance it then be sex trafficked by their father.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:03 PM
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He literally associates femininity with chaos and calls his book “a cure for chaos”. Read any of his stuff and he often says incredibly misogynistic nonsense. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 09:37 PM
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First, one must keep in mind pre-dating and early dating someone will generally try to demonstrate the best version of themselves. So saying they want “agreeableness” must mean they actually want a doormat. Second, How is wanting an equal partnership acting like you’re single? It just means you want an equal say in your shared lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:51 AM
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The relationship is their shared lives. Controlling the relationship is controlling the woman. If he decides they’re moving, he’s moving all of her not just her in the relationship. Relationships work best when one person can’t impose their will on the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 06:47 PM
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Male domination and control are foundational to trad relationships. The husbands gets all the power in the relationship, that’s a huge red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 06:19 PM
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The problem you’re ignoring is that he’ll like men like him and men like him are ones that are likely the biggest red flag. Hence the emphasis on a relationship where he gets to steamroll his daughter’s mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 06:00 PM
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Blue pill doesn’t have a philosophy. It’s just saying we aren’t like you in this debate sub. In real life there’s no terms for defining someone as not being part of a hate group in other contexts. Yeah, feminism wasn’t vindictive though it does and did have grievances. I think denying women equal opportunities, not taking domestic violence seriously, and marital rape being legal all were and are worthy causes. That you have a problem with that sounds like a you issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 11:43 PM
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Well otherwise they would “let women off the hook” as you stated. When you have an entire ideology founded around grievances and vindictiveness bad things are going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 11:33 PM
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Yeah and those people would likely rape and traffic women given the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 11:24 PM
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The two are intrinsically linked. His views of women led to his treatment of women. Pretty simple stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 09:57 PM
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I think you should meditate on your own words and stop blaming women for your own problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 04:40 PM
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Desperate implies that I need to. I just want to and it’s kind of easy given the black pill nonsense. Narcissism would be constructing your whole worldview about how you’re a victim just because no one wants to fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 02:57 PM
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I’m happily married and my name is not Daniel. “Ignorant and close minded” would better describe the raging narcissists who have been radicalized into hating women on the web.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 10:03 AM
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Normal in this context just means not suffering from malignant narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 10:00 AM
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Kk. It’s sad that the best case for your daughter is she just leaves home and never turns back after resisting your attempts to strip her of her individuality and independence. Good luck to your daughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:45 PM
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“Daughter forget your dreams, needs, and individuality! Your one and only acceptable role is to be your husband’s servant while he controls your entire life. Hope he lets you leave the house so you can come visit sometime.” This is why children go NC.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:35 PM
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No, like “women not sleeping with you or being your sex slave does not make them worthy of your contempt.”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:09 PM
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No one is losing arguments, your minds are just impenetrable to rationality. There’s a reason sexual predators like Andrew Tate exploit red pillers for cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:54 PM
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No, it’s actually fairly common on subs for crazies to take over neutral or even joke subs as the extremists to get the biggest reaction. Look at r/gamersriseup , it was supposed to be a larp sub that was actually taken over by idiots who can’t understand sarcasm. The blue pillers have left as they’ve realized the misogyny can’t be cured here. I just stick around because I enjoy arguments that never end.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:37 PM
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Fair enough, I’ll just remind that raising your daughter to be a victim of abuse is not an admirable quality. I hope you see the light.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:27 PM
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Don’t let the hardships of either side justify the oppression of the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:07 PM
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Again, a trad woman is far from normal. Hence the whole domestic slavery thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 09:57 PM
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Sorry that was sarcasm but I guess no one picked up on it. I edited it without the sarcasm
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 09:57 PM
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No, it’s pretty simple. Normal people leave when crazy shows up, which in turn makes it more crazy, and then more normal leave, and eventually the extremism is all that is left.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 09:45 PM
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Fair enough, please don’t impose such a terrible burden on your daughter( s).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:24 AM
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I mean right wing ideology traditionally believes in women’s agency, equality, and opportunities? I don’t think so. Incels, trads, red pill, conservative religious groups, all have that in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:14 AM
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Trad relationships are super rare, yes, but those that exist are by definition male dominated. If men have the final say, women have no power to speak of.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:03 AM
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“Significant” isn’t really a quantity, and given trad relationships always have the husband having the final say over everything that means he has literally all the power.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 02:09 AM
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Trad relationships usually have women being domestic servants, barred from working or independence of any kind, while also being totally dependent on their husbands who have all the power in the relationship. So it sounds like slavery to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 01:19 AM
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So like a slave to her husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 10:37 PM
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I appreciate that you took so much time to construct an elaborate fantasy about me in your head. Perhaps you should think about how in your worst fantasy of my marriage consent is still more present than it is in yours. Here’s a spoiler alert for your inevitable court date: You: your honor, I didn’t rape my wife. She must submit to me whether she wants to or not. [30 minutes later] The jury: we find the defendant guilty of all charges.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 08:36 AM
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No, I’m trying to explain things and you just keep saying no over and over despite the clear and simple logic. I do get it though, your expectations at home of your wife giving into you every time you disagree means you’re probably not used to push back nor are you able to handle it. It’s not about men or women, it’s about anyone who seeks power over others especially those who would seek it over a life partner should be looked at with a great deal of mistrust. It screams a need to get your way,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 12:19 AM
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A power imbalance literally creates more opportunities for abuse ergo more abuse will occur where there is a power imbalance. Egalitarianism works in marriage, it’s literally two people, it’s not a country where a simple conversation isn’t a feasible way to set an agenda. All you need is two people to agree to a choice, it’s not really all that challenging. The grandma analogy still doesn’t work. No one is disempowering grandma, she’s just weak. Similarly physical strength has nothing to do with…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:42 AM
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I never disagreed on whether power can be used for bad or good, I argued that power will cause more abuse to occur because a power imbalance makes the person with less more power more vulnerable. I also argued that it’s a red flag to seek out a relationship where you have more power than your partner, as that’s what a predatory person would do. Therefor an egalitarian relationship will always be a superior alternative for mutual safety, both mental and physical, and overall satisfaction. A debat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 04:21 PM
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I understand that given the family model you subscribe to that you might be used to others deferring to you even when they’re adamantly opposed but this is a debate sub, this is what we do here. If you can’t handle any pushback then I really do feel sorry for your wife and how little agency she has.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:09 PM
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An abuser would abuse anyone, but generally they’re also cowards hence why they would want to create a family structure where the victim has as little power as possible, such as them being a submissive wife. You even said in another comment once you make the final call your wife can protest no further, she can’t even discuss with you how your controlling behavior is harming her. So you don’t think everyone would be better off trad? You realize that you can be assertive without being controlling …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 12:20 PM
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Again, your first paragraph literally describes what you want, the only difference being you’re a man. You’re saying a narcissist won’t be submissive to anyone, the same way you won’t be submissive to anyone. If you’re concerned about men being “enslaved and ordered around” why is that what you want for women? Narcs do also like attention, agreed. you want acknowledgement that you are the leader, is that not a form of attention? Okay, I see that you view yourself as having perceived responsibili…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 12:15 PM
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The grandma comparison doesn’t hold up, grandma is always going to be weak, I’m not looking to make her weak or put her in a situation where she’s more vulnerable to the potential ramifications of that weakness. The same can not be said for wanting a wife who is submissive. You’re actively looking for a situation, if not imposing a situation, where the woman is more vulnerable to abuse, which is what an abuser would do, would you not agree? Agreed, shitty people will always be shitty, but if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:28 AM
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Narcissism is a personality disorder but you didn’t clarify what makes woman a narcissist if it isn’t just wanting a submissive partner, as you claim you’re not when that’s what you want. That said, narcissists generally seem to enjoy power, status, privilege, and control, hence why they would want a submissive partner as they get all of that to use over their partner. Similarly, having a preference for a specific trait can be an indication of narcissism or other personality disorders, for examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:14 AM
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I equate power and abuse because someone being on the losing end of a power imbalance makes them more vulnerable to abuse. See: all of human history, but more specifically the Middle East today, and the west until around 50 years ago. Wife beating used to be considered a man’s privilege. A relationship doesn’t need a leader. My marriage doesn’t have one and we’ve never had an issue that can’t be resolved. If you can’t come to an agreement or compromise with your wife, the issue is you not the la…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:06 PM
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I’m a little confused, why are not considered a narcissist when you want exactly what you claim women who are narcissistic want? I do agree anyone who wants a relationship structure that grants them power over their partner is likely a narcissist but that would obviously also include you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:01 PM
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I think it’s more about you guys being predators looking for vulnerable women to prey on, not that you’re not picking them. They can do better than you guys and they know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 04:19 PM
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My wife and I have an egalitarian relationship and a very good marriage, if you can only be happy and fulfilled when you have power and control over your wife then it’s in everyone’s best interest that you and men like you are single, so you don’t become abusive husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:33 PM
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Most women are against selective service for men. I’m against any form of involuntary servitude, both what OP wants for women and the draft.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 11:18 AM
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Yes, OP wants to infringe on individual rights by removing women’s choice in who and if they marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 11:15 AM
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Wanting a power imbalance in a relationship is a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 11:08 AM
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Sexual slavery is okay to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 11:05 AM
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The roles are adversarial when one gets to control the other, and you’re setting her up for financial abuse, if not worse given your gun collection.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 11:03 AM
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I mean, aren’t you crying to us right now? Sorry you can’t have a sex slave.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:56 AM
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As a happily married man, one of the things that makes it happy is that my wife chose me, not that she was sold or given to me for my “contributions to society”.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:55 AM
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Men have loved the idea of their wife, but again they were legally allowed to beat the shit out of them, so that threat was always on the table, hence the submissiveness. Prohibition was an entire political movement based around domestic violence, men would come home drunk and beat their wives. Of course alcohol wasn’t the problem it was the men. You can literally look at the Middle East right now to see what your type of thinking leads to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:09 AM
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Women are almost always attacked by men they know, usually an intimate partner or a former intimate partner. So the person she most likely needs protection from is you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 11:23 PM
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And men were allowed to beat their wives into submission. Some things are better left in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 11:09 PM
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Trump essentially winked at the camera talking about how Epstein liked ‘‘em young. 26 sexual assault accusations including against a 13 year old with Epstein as a codefendant. Trump booted Epstein because Epstein beat him out of a real estate deal he wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:01 PM
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Do you think more men have fought in war, invented things, or fought for political freedom for people other than themselves or more women have gone through childbirth?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 02:54 PM
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Yet the inverse seems to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:26 PM
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He clearly didn’t listen. Idk you do you, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:16 PM
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This is a debate sub, and whether she realizes it or not that’s clearly what’s happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:15 PM
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No, it sounds like you are the one who must always show self control and he gets to do whatever he wants. You didn’t come to an agreement, he just railroaded you. That’s disrespectful and treating your opinion as worthless. Do you think your father issues have led to broader issues now?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:09 PM
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I disagree with someone being infantilized and walked all over.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:07 PM
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I’m not saying to test your relationship, just pointing out that you’re allowed to not be perfect, especially if he’s not. Disrespect isn’t just spite. It’s treating you like your opinion doesn’t matter or that you being adamantly against something is something he can just ignore. Did you have a good relationship with your father?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:58 AM
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I’m a dude as it says in my flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:55 AM
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Yes, but he can control how he responds to your mistakes and if he’s not showing you the same courtesy you show him then clearly you’re not being treated fairly or even all that well. He went against your judgment on something you were adamant about. That’s entirely disrespectful even if he thinks it’s best. Most arguments are about what both people think is best, it doesn’t give one the right to impose their will on the other. Hope he likes you with both arms and legs because if he thinks it’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:13 AM
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So he can make mistakes and you can’t? Yet you’re also the one who takes blatant disrespect in stride while he makes decisions you’re adamantly against? Who’s doing who the favor?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:21 PM
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All of that sounds pretty awful. If you’re into kinks just do BDSM like an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 08:18 PM
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I was taught the same. Dated many women, lots of hook ups, and finally got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 12:29 PM
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So you admit you don’t know anyone and haven’t read anything, so are you just making general assumptions?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 12:27 PM
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Because RP turns men into raging narcissists a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:33 AM
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Speaking as a married man who had a lot of success dating and hooking up before marriage, I never felt this way. You may have felt this way, but don’t universalize it. Most of my success came from humor and emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:00 AM
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I’m weak, not particularly masculine, and not particularly good looking, I’m married happily and also managed to do well with women prior to meeting my wife. If some men don’t like the modern world, that sucks for them I guess, but I don’t see treating women like chattel as the solution. Women can do what they want, men can do what they want. Good looking people have always had an advantage, and the less thirsty have always had an advantage over the more thirsty. It’s just life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 07:04 PM
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The curse outlined in genesis impacts not only their environment but their behavior, hence they themselves are also cursed. Similarly you go on to say the curse impacts them in that they die, hence they, again, are also cursed. The burden of proof is on you to prove that the curse is both real and causes death. Death is just a natural part of life, to claim it relates to some sort of cosmic consequence or that the only reason anyone can or would die is a crazy claim and requires very strong evid…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 06:37 PM
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You seem to not be understanding what I’m saying, which makes sense, because if you had any logic you wouldn’t be making the argument you were. My point isn’t that historically women were treated well or that in modern times women are treated completely equally, my point is that historically speaking in several key civilizations women were treated better than Ancient Israel, early and middle age Christianity, or modern Christianity. Hence my point Christianity is actually regressive and that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 07:46 PM
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Trump got bent over, the Jan 6 rioters are just insane. Much of the Steele Dossier has been corroborated. My point was that even some ancient societies treated women better than modern Christianity or Islam. I’m pointing out modern egalitarian societies because there shouldn’t be matriarchy or patriarchy, everyone should be treated equally. It’s only as societies have become more secular that women have been treated better. The more religious a society the worse they’re treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 11:39 AM
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Those rioters were pissed off by injustices, similarly I am too like patriarchy aka male supremacy. While true matriarchy is pretty rare, there are plenty of examples of societies that are far more just both historically and in modernity. Ancient Sumer, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Scandinavia, etc are all far more just than ancient Israel, any country that has been run based on Christian ideals, or any modern theocratic state. America isn’t perfect, but it’s greatly improved over a time where men cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 12:47 AM
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I’m not sure if you’re a troll, or if you’re taking your kinks and applying it to everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:34 PM
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Patriarchy is oppressive and limiting for those who would like an equal level of freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:17 PM
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That’s the reality of patriarchy for many women. Again don’t take your experience and apply it to everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 04:53 PM
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No, the Quran is generally interpreted to give male priority in all decisions, and women need a male guardian but men do not need a guardian once they’re an adult. Similarly the Quran gives men several steps to deal with a wife who is not in complete submission to their dictatorship and the third step is hitting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 04:09 PM
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Many of the rioters on Jan 6 believe Trump was sent by their god so it is a form of religious extremism. In most first world countries women have the right to free choice in regards to most things including abortion it’s only in theocracy that they are treated like chattel. Not all religions are patriarchal and most have left religion behind in favor of treating women like full people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 04:07 PM
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Yeah, I’m sure the 12 year old girls being honor killed because they we won’t marry a 60 year old man are feeling that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:40 PM
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You might be universalizing your own experience. Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean all women don’t. I mean there’s a reason women have pushed for their own rights, their own freedom, and their own opportunities. Look at the Middle East, most women appear to not be having a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 11:26 AM
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Depression is up in general and happiness can’t really be objectively measured. Similarly more men kill themselves than women, and that’s true in all first world countries, but if you look at male dominated countries like the Middle East, it’s the reverse. Almost like treating women like chattel makes them even more miserable. Men used to be able to beat their wives without consequences, make medical decisions for their wives without their consent including institutionalizing them, rape them wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:13 AM
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I think we’re better off with women being treated like adults and not permanent children
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:34 AM
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https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:33 AM
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No, like the places that are net drain on federal resources. Republican states almost universally take in more money than they put in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:26 AM
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You’re right to some extent, we should’ve executed Nixon and then that likely stops every republican president who has served since from even wanting to become president
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:50 AM
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Thanks for at least saying conservatives don’t have any care for rules or order.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:40 AM
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No, I’ll just continue on my path. Obviously democrats need to realize republicans don’t have any ethics and should act accordingly but I can’t be sure they will.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:32 AM
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Right, we need to our numbers up because when republicans are willing to kill for their absolutely stupid ideals, democrats need to be able to defend themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:29 AM
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I agree, that’s why I support 2A. It doesn’t matter that liberal ideas are better in every way when the other side is willing to resort to extreme violence and evil to achieve their goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:25 AM
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I mean the Trump supporters were convinced of their victory and look how that ended up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:20 AM
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Yes, that’s the words of a sound mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:15 AM
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I don’t think you realize what you’re saying, but whatever. You’re basically saying conservatives have no morals, ethics, values, or standards that will stop them in their pursuit of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:04 AM
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Religious extremism is on the uptick. While the great majority of Christians haven’t bombed abortion clinics I’m pretty sure it is an exclusively Christian activity. Many Christians believe in male headship/patriarchy where men get priority in decision making and women do not have the same level of freedom as men. Hence being treated like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:03 AM
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I don’t think so, I think republicans will run on trump again, and the non-cultists won’t go along.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 11:52 PM
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Is that the date of the next riot?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 11:46 PM
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That’a not going to happen. Conservatives love to play up victim complexes but they seem to have the real victim complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 11:40 PM
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Any blue state republican would end their career voting to ban abortion, they won’t meet the 50 needed. While it’s true we’re becoming increasingly polarized it’s only because of increasing extremist in republicans. It’s mostly started with Reagan, and brought us here. Once they brought the extremists into the fold, it’s pretty much a straight line to the regular right wing terrorism we’re seeing like the Jan 6 riot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 11:19 PM
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Sexually dominant women exist, admittedly I’ve never been with one, but a sexual desire doesn’t really determine what relationship style you want. Most women I meet want an equal say in their own lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 11:12 PM
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It’s true they don’t care about norms, but they’re going to lose. Progress always wins on a long enough timeline.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 11:04 PM
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They won’t get past the filibuster. 75% of Americans want legal abortion. Obviously religious crazy people shouldn’t be able to control everyone’s lives
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:59 PM
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Sure, but progress has eliminated a lot of injustices in the world. We got rid of race based slavery, why not gendered slavery?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:57 PM
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Abortion is not going to be banned except in red state shitholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:47 PM
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Limiting one half of the population’s freedom, rights, and opportunities makes things harmonious?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:36 PM
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Doesn’t seem worthwhile for the woman to have her life controlled by her “partner”.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:48 PM
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Oh wow. I don’t have authority over my wife, and I’ve happily built a life together with her. Working her like a puppet would actually be pretty boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:40 PM
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Why should a man have authority over his wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:32 PM
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But they also define love by treating women like permanent children, disowning their gay children, and sometimes bombing abortion clinics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:26 PM
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Women must be obedient to their male overseer and can’t make important decisions without their approval. Also men can hit their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:22 PM
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Women are treated like property in Islam would probably be a better way to put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:21 PM
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Islam has a hierarchy of the sexes and women are at the bottom of that hierarchy. Women can’t leave the house without permission, must be obedient to their husbands, and their husbands can hit them under certain circumstances. Women also have more restrictions on them and their dress. Similarly women are often blamed for their own sexual assault hence why prosecution for rape is lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:31 PM
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I consider getting pregnant to be a potentially self inflicted problem and abortion to be a solution to that problem. Obviously many precautions can fail even if safe sex is practiced so how much it is “self-inflicted” varies, but I don’t see why we should help someone who broke their bones driving recklessly but not someone who is pregnant and doesn’t want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 07:00 PM
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No, just that those who suffer obesity but it’s from a thyroid issue shouldn’t be grouped in with those who are more self inflicted. Point being is we offer healthcare to all those people, so why not abortion to those who wish not to be pregnant?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 06:52 PM
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Yes, at a time where men had the right to all their wive’s or unmarried daughters’ money and property until the end of coverture and various countries passed some version of the Married Women’s property Act.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:09 PM
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Liver disease from drinking, any disease related to obesity that isn’t from a thyroid issue, any sports injury, any accidental injury caused by your own stupidity or hubris, or getting Covid when you choose not be vaxxed etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:02 PM
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If you get a medical issue from something related to your own choices, should you be denied care?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:10 AM
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Having no other options, I imagine, sucked. I’m sure many would’ve liked not having to be completely reliant on a man, especially when things like coverture were a thing and DV wasn’t taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:03 AM
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No, the goalpost hasn’t moved one bit. Its silly that you think a woman who once tried something and hated is obligated to give it to anyone else who comes along. If you’re incompatible so be it, but to suggest this is frigid or some sort of lack of attraction when it’s been made clear that she didn’t enjoy the experience is just you being insecure that someone has had your current partner in a way that you haven’t, and thinking they have some sort of victory over you in that you haven’t been ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 10:53 PM
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In the above stated scenario, she didn’t like some sexual experience and if you can’t accept that she doesn’t like a sex act, then she shouldn’t have to do it again. It’s really not that tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:09 PM
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No, it means you don’t trust that your gf/wife loves you as much as a previous partner to take them at their word they didn’t enjoy an experience and would not like to do it again
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:47 PM
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I think thats just your insecurities getting the best of you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:14 PM
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How would difference matter here? Either he’s willing to do everything he’s ever done with an ex partner or he’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:59 PM
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If I had said pegging would that have been better?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 12:20 AM
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Oh, I get it, this is about her needing to help you overcome your insecurities? As opposed to being confident that your relationship is solid and not needing a woman to willingly do something she has expressed she tried before and hated.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 12:12 AM
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So why does seeing and being told differ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 11:30 PM
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And if you tried it and hated it either physically or emotionally, are you obligated to give it forever to any girl that comes along?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 11:21 PM
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If a girl wanted to try pegging you and you let her are you obligated to let every girl forever peg you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 11:15 PM
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It’s weird that this always comes up for anal but you never hear about a guy who let his ex try CBT and now is obligated to let every girl who comes along hit his junk forever
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 11:14 PM
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The gold standard ended in 1933. Similarly the larger workforce only impacts wages if productivity stays the same, which it doesn’t because they can now double productivity with double the workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 12:10 PM
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Do what you want or what you need. I find fulfillment in my relationship and security in knowing that when I’m too old to do what I used to be the fun stuff someone will be there with me to keep me company, and keeping each other company has become the fun stuff. I have slowly moved from chaos to stability. I loved the chaos but I love the stability more. The party became the friends group and the friends group was my life. We did drugs, partied, and brought around the random girls, and then the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 12:52 AM
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Like I’m saying risk is for young people, teenagers and early twenties. That’s what college is for. I do think people who don’t do anything growing up are going to regret it, but fucking your boss at a real job or fucking your secretary are good ways to suffer long term consequences for a very low reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 11:38 PM
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Dude, I lived an extremely risky life and then I grew up. From the time I hit puberty I spent most nights climbing random buildings just to see if I could. My favorite times were finding hatches that no one would think to lock and going inside the building or laying prone on top of the building as the cops circled because someone must have called. Then I got a little older and spent most of my time fucking around on one night stands, had long and short term relationships, I was the other guy thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 11:12 PM
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All of life is risky, but unless you’re one of those people leaning on a skateboard off the side of a skyscraper then I assume you know there’s healthy and unhealthy levels of risk. I’m not outlawing anything, people can do what they want, but it’s silly to pretend they’re not taking a huge gamble and potentially fucking up their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 09:34 PM
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Men and women both want the best they can get. As far as chasing billionaires, well yeah, who wouldn’t if they could? But it’s clear that it’s not just about who he is, but also what he’s doing. He is literally obsessed with her, which fulfills a lot of fantasies for women who have men in their lives who treat them as secondary to other aspects of their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 09:31 PM
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That seems odd all around to me at least, but I guess it depends on if he’s happy and feeling fulfilled. Does he enjoy banging the escorts? I would think that he has untapped potential if that’s literally all he’s doing with his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 09:28 PM
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Yes, that’s the during the act, but unless their orgasms coincide with the heat death of universe then there’s an after and that power dynamic can have huge consequences if the person with power is a prick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 02:46 AM
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I’m sure some secretaries have and I’m sure some have regretted that their paycheck was tied to a person expecting sex from them. I think 50 shades is a fantasy, and men and women probably both have BDSM fantasies they can read about and derive pleasure from, but would be incredibly uncomfortable if not outright miserable living out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 02:33 AM
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“Yes, you might be horribly exploited, but imagine how hot it might be!”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 02:21 AM
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A power imbalance leads to leverage and the ability to exploit. Imagine being in a relationship where you’re expected to let the other party be the sole bread winner, he or she can throw their weight around in terms of decision making or financial resources and you just have to take it because you have no career or job history to take care of yourself. Giving someone the ability to impose their will on someone else generally doesn’t work well and there’s no reason for it in marriage or relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 02:09 AM
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https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/218/611/ Thompson v Thompson Again, most police departments believed domestic violence was a private matter and would leave domestic violence to family courts and psychology instead of treating it like a criminal matter. Also the feminist and protofeminist era extend back to cover the entire reform era including when the first state outlawed in 1850.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 12:43 PM
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I said it wasn’t until 1920 that all states had made DV illegal. The earliest a state made it illegal was 1871. So it was still within the proto feminist and feminist era either way. Similarly it’s also illegal to carry an ice cream cone in your back pocket in Kentucky. So the question isn’t just is it illegal but is it enforced, and if it’s enforced is it adequately punished? There’s a reason for the push for reform in DV enforcement and punishment that started in 60’s and 70’s. More often than…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 02:45 AM
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What exactly do you think should happen? Should some type of imbalance be codified into law?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 11:46 PM
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No they were expected to be obedient to their husbands, and it wasn’t until 1920 all states had banned spousal abuse. Marital rape took til the 90’s. Also most states didn’t actually take spousal abuse seriously until the 70’s. A law means nothing if it isn’t enforced
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 11:45 PM
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Men are essentially choosing the power imbalance though, whereas the previous power imbalance was forced upon women. Similarly it’s only a power imbalance now if you don’t know how to talk to women, I’m not a looker and I’m pretty short, but I did very well as a single person and now am happily married.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 08:14 PM
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Doesn’t that essentially come down to men being thirstier?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 07:44 PM
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Even with capitalism we didn’t achieve many of the most major steps towards equality until fairly recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 07:34 PM
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Freedom to make their own decisions free of violence or financial control or any form of male domination that was the previous norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 07:33 PM
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And I think most would rather have more responsibility than be subservient.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 10:10 AM
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But they aren’t dependent because of feminism and the freedom it helped them obtain.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 02:25 AM
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Fair enough. I appreciate that you don’t believe in those roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 01:11 AM
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My apologies, I thought you were the person I had been conversing with. Your religion doesn’t have gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 01:08 AM
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If you’re religious and believe in gender roles, generally there’s a hierarchy and men are considered head of household and get priority in decision making through an emphasis on women’s submission. Ergo women are subservient.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 01:05 AM
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And those roles are worse for women, obviously. They place them in a subservient position. If adult women accept these roles with no coercion or indoctrination that’s fine. That said, religious groups trying to impose their roles on secular society must be opposed for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 12:51 AM
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Mostly religious conservatives. Southern Baptists and other similar groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 12:44 AM
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There are still segments of society that still see women as less than men and actively fight to revert society to its previous unequal state especially among conservative/religious groups. That requires vigilance and for feminists to fight back against it, does it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 12:41 AM
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First wave was mostly about the right to vote. What about other inequalities that were only addressed later? Why would you consider it an issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 12:32 AM
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Isn’t feminism a result of historical inequality and oppression?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 12:28 AM
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I did, you see what you wanna see. You said both sides hate it without saying why, you also said women benefitted short term, but not long term without saying how. Hence you didn’t say anything of substance. It's not much better if both genders seem to hate it. As I said before this woke, new age feminism shit is cool while your younger but when younger older it gets redundant. I think those who hate it on the right, are mostly those who are unable to function in a modern context when they can’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:31 PM
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Modern society isn't helping or benefiting anyone (unless you are born wealthy) because both genders seem to hate it, it's just that women benefit from it in the short term while they are young so they take advantage of that but as they get older it backfires on them but their to stupid to realize the government is just using their own cognitive dissonance against them. You said a lot of words without actually outlining any specific point. Modern society has led to tolerance of others like racia…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:14 PM
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Young marriage just doesn’t work out. At the end of the day there’s no perfect solution but clearly things are much better than they were in a premodern era.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:05 PM
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Most of what’s wrong with society comes from people who are against modern society, that’s how you get most of our terrorist attacks whether domestic or foreign. It comes down to a crybaby segment of the population that can’t get over the fact they suck and think they deserve sex just for existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:01 PM
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That they were never really invested or at the very least they were not at all emotionally devastated by the dissolution of the marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 09:58 PM
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Power imbalances used to be built into relationships to favor men, and clearly that was a problem, I think that’s generally where people draw issue, not on an individual level, but on a societal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:12 PM
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Not really, maybe 5 years ago, but the balance has shifted as there’s no way to bring sanity to the misogynists and most have left aside from those who just like to argue, like myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:07 AM
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This sub is filled with a bunch of a tradcon, red pill, black pill, incel, mgtow crybabies who want a sex mommy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 12:53 AM
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I think it’s more a perception than a reality. I think it just means that in traditional relationships women have been treated by doormats and they now refuse to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 12:49 AM
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You said they’re the minority. “Strong and independent” generally just means they won’t be reliant on a man I.e. emotional resilience, earning life sustaining income, being an equal at the table in terms of decision making, not be a homemaker or SAHM due to the position it could cause in terms of dependence hence “independent”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 12:32 AM
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Don’t you think it’s odd, that many people tell you all the time that they have equal relationships and you keep telling them they’re the weirdos? Maybe it’s the hierarchal marriages that are the weirdos because they’re more concerned with who makes the decisions instead of making sure both people feel heard?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 11:58 PM
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I think it’s more that even just narrowing by age greatly reduces the population. Which isn’t really picky by most definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 04:45 PM
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I agree that we’ve achieved it for the most part, the problem is a a large number of men who might like to see this clock turned back. I agree that women who want a more traditional role should have that open to them, assuming they’re not pressured into the choice by religion or upbringing. I will read the book. I enjoy researching this topic. All in all, yes sure, there were times when women could not do what they can today, in those times neither could men. That’s not true, the sexes were hier…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:42 PM
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“Western society” has had very wide variances between times, countries, and cultural values. Scandinavian countries were actually very good in terms of women’s rights pre-Christianization. I’m not sure where you would start “the west” but we would probably agree Greece was the first great western civilization. They allowed voting for men and not women. It varied from city state to city state, Athens was not great and barred women from just about everything including education and most careers, S…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 04:27 PM
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I understand your position, I was just trying to show you it was wrong. For example historically there have been societies where a husband suffered no consequences for killing his wife, but a wife would or could be killed for adultery. Whereas a husband could have as many sexual partners as he pleased. If women were requesting equal rights or opportunity and it was denied them, doesn’t that imply oppression? I’ll certainly give that book a look. I don’t think modern men should be punished for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 03:10 PM
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I think you’re ignoring almost all of history to suggest that women haven’t historically been oppressed. Women have been denied equal rights, freedom, and opportunities for almost as long as humans have existed in organized society. Women were denied education, careers, nor were they granted agency or autonomy that men were granted. In many societies wife beating was considered a husband’s right (Russia just decriminalized DV in 2017) and crimes committed by by outsiders were considered crimes a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 01:58 PM
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It’s important to not universalize our experiences without good reason
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 07:46 PM
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I think you might just be unhappy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 07:36 PM
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I’m sorry if that’s been your experience, but it’s never been mine. Relationships are give and take.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 06:14 PM
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I’m saying that if she’s working at the home at the same time you’re working at “work” then it’s already an even split. Historically women have been considered property of their husbands, to do with as they saw fit, women have been excluded from the public sphere, they’ve been denied equal rights, freedom, and denied pretty much any opportunity including educational and vocational. They’ve been denied the vote, treated as less intelligent, violence against them from an outsider was treated as cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 01:52 PM
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Several’s definition is “more than two but not many.” I’ve never been cocky. Just very funny. Before I met my wife, I had one LTR, several STRs and a couple ONSs. Also I was the other man a few times. Since college it’s just been my wife as we made our progression from exclusive to married. We don’t have kids, nor do we want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 01:20 AM
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Several times a week. Not several times a day. I am 5’8. I’m just funny and smart, it’s worked for most women I’ve set my eye on at least from my senior year of high school on. I don’t have a nice guy perception of anything, i understand women are people and many suck. It’s just red pillers and men of similar values don’t treat women like people and I enjoy arguing with them about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:58 AM
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You too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 11:46 PM
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Several times a week, we also try new things fairly frequently to keep things from becoming boring or monotonous.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 11:46 PM
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I’m saying that you’re comparing what you do in the house to extra work on your part instead of part of your fair share. Hence why you said “I have done my duties”. Implying the work she does at home wasn’t just as demanding if not more so, as she’s expected to also carry the weight when you get home even though she’s may have been working just as hard as you. If you have kids that are home during the day then she almost definitely has. Like I’ve said, it’s about choice, if she has options to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 11:45 PM
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We’re coming up on 9 years. We both value each other’s input and neither of us seek to impose our will on the other. We have a very happy relationship and active sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 11:34 PM
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I don’t believe either gender should lead. My wife and I are egalitarian and we have both a happy marriage and an active sex life. I understand you find it attractive, but I don’t think it’s a man/woman thing, I think most people would prefer to have a greater share of the power in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:40 PM
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If she’s rearing children, she’s not not working while you’re at wherever pays the bills. She’s also doing housework and preparing food for when you get home. She also might be working other projects. So by ranking your hierarchically in the sense that your work is the one that pays the bills, it’s not egalitarian. I do believe in always thanking your partner whenever they do anything for you regardless of relationship style. No one should feel entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:36 PM
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Nonsense as in the husband using his position for selfish reasons or even outright abusive ones. Since the wife is totally reliant on him for monetary resources she isn’t in a position where she could get out safely or assert herself. As far as your children, if they end up following these values but it just ends up clipping their wings, then it does often irreparable harm. Often in homeschooling children don’t even know their options because they’re not given the full picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:33 PM
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Think about your first date with any prospective partner. You probably portrayed yourself slightly differently than you would present yourself to anyone else. Then slowly you reveal some of your less desirable characteristics, but you’ve already won them over so they deal. Now if someone is wrangling kids all day, they might expect a break when their partner gets home, and their partner might expect a break from doing things when they get home. You’re attributing higher value to the outside labo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:04 PM
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I mean I think someone who lets you do whatever you want is probably more attractive to everyone and if you don’t have a lot of empathy it seems like a great deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 04:34 PM
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No I brought it up because fundamental culture differences don’t take women’s safety as seriously and submission is one way to help aid in staying safety. I’m pointing out one way male dominated relationships are enforced and showing the similarities between what you want and women by they have it there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 04:08 PM
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Right, but if you’re truly looking for a lifelong relationship a woman in this position is vulnerable for her entire life in a way a man is not. The man or woman you married will go through many changes and not always for the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 04:00 PM
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That’s fair, I didn’t read it. A traditional couple can’t be egalitarian, as there’s a fundamental power imbalance that can be and often is exploited. She can make that personal choice, but it puts her in more danger than dual income household where she doesn’t have to put up with nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:35 PM
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Russia literally decriminalized DV in 2017. Submission therefor is a survival strategy. In the west women are treated as equals and violence against them is taken seriously. Why would any woman be submissive when their voice and ideas are given equal weight win men’s? If you want a submissive woman that’s fine, it just doesn’t seem to want what’s best for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:32 PM
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I’m confused. I thought you were arguing in favor of an egalitarian relationship? 30 k in five years is not that great and can be blown pretty easily if it hits the fans. Plus it would mean putting up with injustice for 5 years just to get that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:28 PM
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Perhaps, but a part time job generally doesn’t pay life sustaining money. If you can’t pay rent or cover childcare costs and must rely on someone else then your standards have to drop. I’m not saying that an egalitarian husband or wife can’t say or do something hurtful, I’m saying a wife that’s more dependent would be forced to put up with more if things went that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:21 PM
1

What is submission other than letting someone else’s will supersede your own? Also you called me a clown out of nowhere and called me feminine with no prompting so maybe work on yourself too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:08 PM
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I think the problem is that you get one generation of choice in this, then you teach your children it and they’re generally expected to follow even if it doesn’t work for them. I think you have an equal distribution of labor, but in terms of money you’re completely dependent which makes you have to put up with nonsense you might otherwise not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:07 PM
1

I think you’re just romanticizing a culture you’re unfamiliar with. If you just want a woman who does you whatever you want with no thoughts of her own, why not get a sex doll?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:00 PM
1

Russia decriminalized domestic abuse if it doesn’t cause great bodily harm. Hence why women there have to be submissive, otherwise they get beaten.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 12:07 PM
1

I think he means Russia where DV has been decriminalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:21 AM
1

So you want women from countries where domestic abuse isn’t a crime?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:19 AM
4

This is such a sad outlook. If it comes from experience I’m sorry. I’ve been with my wife for almost 9 years and we introduce new stuff all the time, even today. Not a chad by any means. We’re just happy. Not being your mommy doesn’t mean you don’t get emotional support, it just means you don’t treat her like your mother, I.e. a one side does all the work in terms of chores and emotional support.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:55 AM
1

It’s far more often than I exercise, so yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 10:37 PM
1

I don’t know if you’re actually dumb. Again, some people like my best friend exercise 5 days a week. Others twice. I would consider either regularly. Some people exercise everyday. Which is why would ask for clarification if I actually wanted to know, and given my partner is the closest person to me, I’d want to get even more specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 09:18 PM
1

I don’t know, I’d probably ask for clarification. Which is what the contract seeks to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:35 PM
2

Regular can mean once a day or once a week. It could mean anything and the point is to define your expectations. I realize part of the red pill stuff is to hide everything and be as deceptive as possible, but sometimes just saying what you want is helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:03 PM
1

I think not everyone has as much of a one-track mind as you perhaps
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:49 PM
1

Right, but how regular is regular? That’s the point, to talk and find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:07 PM
1

This is assuming every man wants the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:28 PM
1

If she has a low libido, doesn’t get off in the same way he does, or just doesn’t want to have sex all the time for whatever reason, then that’s her prerogative. It can also be the inverse, where a woman has a higher drive than he does. Again, it’s about what each wants to do and whether the other is in agreement. I think trying to play mind games to get people to have sex when they don’t want to is unethical.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:29 AM
1

So what is your solution to radically different goals and needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:22 AM
5

Which isn’t what this is doing. This is saying what you’re willing to do and not do. If she’s not down to bone every 3 hours, he’ll know it then. If that’s what he needs, then they go their separate ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:08 AM
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Because when you make the agreement they have to both agree to something. If a man has a high drive and wants it very often, then he communicates that and the woman understands his wants/needs. If she is or is not okay with that, it’s communicated right there as well and the man understands her wants/needs. either they both agree on something either because they already had the same wants/needs or they have compromised, or they realize that they’re not compatible. It’s just stopping an argument …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:15 AM
4

I think everyone wants sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:01 AM
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I don’t think you understand what was said. It’s about communication between an existing couple and setting goals and expectations. Which is what communication is. Basically it takes a disorganized process of revealing yourself and needs and makes it more organized allowing the person to hear what you think you need to make a relationship work. I still think it’s a silly idea, but you’re not understanding what’s being said.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 01:57 AM
2

I think you deserve to be heard, trust is earned. Just like I think you deserve not be killed, but that doesn’t mean you deserve to have exactly what you want out of life. I think you deserve to be able to chart your own path but that doesn’t mean you’re going to succeed. I think much of your issues with women may stem from your poor relationship with your mother. I’m sorry if you had it rough growing up with a bad mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 06:42 AM
2

Constant and repeated exclamation points make me think you’re becoming overly emotional. Everyone deserves the right to self determination. No one should have to allow someone else to impose their will on them. You do seem quite bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 06:22 AM
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She has to be your sex mommy where she takes care of you, does all the housework, and has to pretend to be attracted to you. My point is that shit never hits the fan and that I’m sure most would rather deal with the shit than be in abusive relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 06:00 AM
2

I’m pointing out that women have an ability greater than what you can offer in terms of physical strength. Should the strongest guy in the world be able to rob you with no consequences?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:59 AM
3

And you are your wife’s responsibility as she must be your slave and yet I bet she does mostly everything for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:50 AM
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Children outgrow the need for their parents’ guidance. You believe women should be under their husband’s thumb for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:43 AM
3

To the best of my knowledge no one is allowed to assault anyone. Women are physically weaker but can produce children which I think more than makes up for it, similarly average intelligence is roughly the same. Also given your writing style I don’t know that you’re in the top tier of intelligence either. A stronger man isn’t allowed to rob you. You seem to be saying he should be able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:42 AM
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Equals doesn’t mean same, women have abilities men don’t even come close to and I don’t see that as a reason for women to control men either. You give women the responsibility of being completely obedient to their husband with no say in their own lives. That’s actual slavery and is an abusive tyranny.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:39 AM
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I think you’re mistaking protection for control. One can physically protect their wife without her being his puppet that has no agency and is a passenger in her own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:06 AM
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I believe everyone deserves an equal say in their own life. You seem to be setting up some sort of protection racket. “If you don’t give complete control over your life to me, some bad man is going to come and take complete control of your life.” Sounds like either way a bad man has complete control and the only way to win is not play. Egalitarianism leads to happy and healthier marriages. Also I’m a dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:04 AM
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That’s just silly. A woman has the ability for life to produced and nurtured within her. Nothing a man can do can even come close to that. Do you now feel women should be leading the relationship? I’m guessing no. Both give their all to a marriage while fully loving and respecting the other and neither should seek to impose their will on the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 04:29 AM
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I don’t think they’re the same, far from it. I just think that women deserve an equal say in their own lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 04:15 AM
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In other words, there’s no need for a wife to have her agency limited in a way a man’s is not. A man should not be able to impose his will on his wife nor should she expected to submit to decisions she is adamantly against. Just because men are physically stronger and can use that to protect doesn’t justify them having total control over the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:51 AM
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There is a reason children need their parents, they’re not fully developed and wouldn’t be able to navigate the world, take care of themselves, and most would die because they would choose ice cream for dinner forever. The same can not be said for women, they’re full adults of sound mind and yet their husbands have authority over them and can veto/overrule them on any every decision they may want to make. I think most women would rather their husbands respect them enough to treat them like an eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:21 AM
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That is literally what most relationships are. I think you’re mistaken and may be deceiving yourself. You are assuming to much about people you do not know. Prostitution is a huge validation and ego boost for men. They can go get rejected and remember that they slept with someone just as attractive yesterday. Boosting his confidence and validating him. How does paying for sex boost confidence? He’s not wanted or validated. He had the right amount of currency to perform a financial transaction fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 09:24 PM
2

Assuming it’s not a “Total Recall” type scenario where the man has memories altered or ideas implanted I don’t see how a machine can validate someone’s need to feel wanted. I agree it will be popular and maybe even commonplace but I don’t see a man being satisfied with something or someone who has no choice but to “love” him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 09:20 PM
2

Your comparison seems a little off given only one of us is proselytizing here. I don’t worship anything, except maybe the Green Bay Packers and Coen Brother’s movies, I try to look at most things objectively. I look at all life on a bell curve, kind of like our comparative claims, where there’s one end that’s really good, one end that’s really bad, and the majority somewhere in the middle. We can apply that scale to humans generally or women specifically, since that’s what you seem to want to fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:16 PM
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At no point did I say 99.9% are true, clownshoes. There’s a 99.8% gap between the two figures and even if I did say 99.9% I’d feel a lot more confident that I was in the same neighborhood as true at least compared to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:42 PM
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I don’t have to worship pussy to realize 99.9% of rape claims are not made up. On the other hand you must hate women to think your opinion is even in the same zip code as true. It speaks to a rare level of bitterness that distorts reality for you at even the most basic level. Hate women all you want, clownshoes. Hate women all you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:06 PM
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Then you’re completely divorced from reality and your opinion is worthless. You’re not worth debating or even engaging with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:00 PM
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So 999 out of 1000 rape claims are made up? Be careful of being so bitter that you start to look stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:25 PM
1

I support the OP’s assertion and think everyone should have their own safety net and not be completely reliant on their partner as provider. It also makes sure they are in a equal relationship instead of a male dominated one like we would see if you guys had your way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 10:46 PM
2

Yeah I’m all set since I’m a happily married man and am not an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 10:39 PM
2

Everyone’s entitled to filter their prospective mates. The problem with you guys is you “not all men” when it’s a bad thing a dude did but use any individual woman’s experience to paint 50% of our population. It’s hypocritical. Also whiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 10:21 PM
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The only thing I’ve learned from Paglia is that you’d be better off doing the opposite of whatever she says. Men dominated relationships and women were completely dependent on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 10:18 PM
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Was not surprised by your post history. I’m pretty sure you’re the miserable one. Men had free license to treat women like shit before this era.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 07:37 PM
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Power corrupts and he’d have all the power as she’s completely dependent on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 07:32 PM
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Because spending all your time with children can make you feel incredibly isolated on top of actually being isolated because you don’t leave the house. You’re also dependent on your husband and you have little recourse if he doesn’t treat you well and he also gets to make all the decisions because he’s breadwinner. So all in all, pretty bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 07:30 PM
2

The way I see it is statistically half of all people are worse than average. Sometimes we get winged by the people who fall below that average. People see patterns where they want to see them but I’ve been hurt equally by men and women but the best person I ever met is my wife so I guess women come out ahead on those who have helped me. At the end of the day people are just people. Some suck, some rock, most fall somewhere in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 04:07 AM
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It’s about taking advantage of people because you’re afraid everyone out there is trying to take advantage of you. It’s paranoia and a sad way to go through life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 03:30 AM
2

I think it’s more not being rapey douche bags.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 02:38 AM
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Basically not being a sadistic asshole who plays mind games
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 02:37 AM
1

Why would a woman want to be an underling when she could be an equal? Doesn’t she get more rights, freedoms, and opportunities going against trad values?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 01:20 AM
4

Aren’t we talking about anal?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 08:24 PM
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Okay, but in this hypothetical hypocrisy you let someone do it in the past, maybe you were drunk or maybe she asked you a thousand times pressuring you into it, or maybe she threatened to break up with you if you didn’t and you really love her so you finally give in. Are you now obligated to let all girls kick you in the nuts? Are you also obligated to tell every girl your sexual history includes being kicked in the nuts so they know that should be on the table and if you deny them the opportuni…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 07:53 PM
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How? If she did something all the time, maybe, but if she isn’t into something she tried once why should she have to have do it again? It sounds like you’re insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:40 PM
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Okay, let’s say you let an ex girlfriend kick you in the balls and you didn’t like it and never let her do it again. Are you going to let every girl in the future kick you in the nuts?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:37 PM
3

For most of human history the two sexes worked side by side doing similar work and only with the industrial revolution did the spheres of work and home become separate. While the data doesn’t really exist for how many men beat their wives we also know for most of human history it was accepted or even encouraged. Spousal rape wasn’t against the law very recently either. Coverture, or the idea that married women couldn’t own property, was also the dominant policy and all her property became his at…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 10:47 PM
1

I mean feminism means different things to different people but people here treat it like a bogeyman and it wouldn’t have happened if there was equal treatment from the get-go.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 10:29 PM
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I mean before the industrial revolution men and women traditionally worked together in a family business, usually farming, and yet had hierarchal roles. It’s only after the industrial revolution that men worked separately from their spouses and the home and work life became separate spheres. Still raising children is work just like going to a factory. Men had coverture, suffrage, and easier access to the political sphere than women based solely on the fact they were men. I mean some men refused …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 10:28 PM
1

Originally I would say Darwinism as they were bigger and stronger and later religion played a pretty large role that reinforced traditional gender roles such as male leadership and female submission. While I agree that custody laws have favored women that’s only because of traditional gender roles or the perception thereof where women were seen as more involved or more nurturing parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 10:24 PM
0

Could you clarify what you see as misconceptions and misrepresentations? If society wasn’t male dominated to start then feminism would’ve been unnecessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 09:42 PM
3

Wasn’t feminism just a response to male dominated society?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 09:36 PM
3

Isn’t feminism a response to a formerly male dominated society?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 09:33 PM
1

I’m actually my wife’s only partner ever. We met in high school. You celebrate Roosh who probably has a triple digit count but that doesn’t matter because he’s a man.
/r/RPChristians15/08/20 02:04 AM
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You believe the wife should be obedient to her husband and submit to his will and decisions even if she completely disagrees. You offer her no recourse and consider her rebellious and selfish for having her own ideas.
/r/RPChristians15/08/20 02:04 AM
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You’re the one interpreting it to create a system of marital slavery.
/r/RPChristians15/08/20 01:36 AM
0

Right exactly, you don’t care about God or his vision only yourself.
/r/RPChristians15/08/20 01:28 AM
1

Weird that Trump lies almost non-stop but you guys eat that shit up with a knife and fork
/r/PussyPassDenied03/07/20 06:20 PM
1

He was involved in a lot of shady shit. You want to assume it’s her based on the word of an actual crazy person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 03:36 AM
1

I think you should be lifting her up and building her self esteem until she realizes she’s just as capable of decision making.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 05:55 PM
1

Why are you worthy of any of that? As someone looking for a submissive partner you seem like you’re unwilling to work towards compromise and creating a good home moreso you seem to be looking for someone who will fit under your thumb
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 05:34 PM
1

So controlling someone. Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 05:31 PM
1

“In here” do you mean your home country? Because except for religious people who believe in antiquated social values I don’t know why any woman would want to be “lead” (read: controlled.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:52 PM
1

where does this leadership nonsense come from? Most just want a life partner. You shouldn’t let what others think drive you it makes you a sad little man if you weren’t already. If your grandma said that I’d she’s been looking for the opportunity to do so for quite some time and is just grateful that you gave her one regardless of what the reason was.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:55 PM
2

So you’re driven by insecurity? You’re concerned what others would think of you as a man more so than you care about your partner and their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:44 PM
1

So why don’t you take her last name is your concern is the family unit?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:38 PM
2

Why would she want anything other than your love, and maybe children, as a marriage partner? Seems like you’re looking for a person you can push around.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:37 PM
6

Well, Scruff McGruff, what body language perception training have you gone through? Also the need for evidence that she didn’t do it is the literal opposite of what America requires in its legal system. The body, record, and cause of demise is up to the state to prove and provide not vice-versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:40 AM
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In a modern context the relationship is an equal relationship where both people provide their best to the other. In a historical context the name was a signification that the wife had come under the protection and control of the husband. In the newer (equal) definition of marriage making someone take your names seems like it’s just to provide security to men who are unwilling to do the same for their partner. I don’t see how you’re compromising at all by requiring she take your name?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:35 AM
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Isn’t picking you to spend her life with a decision in its own right and one you each need to prove is the correct choice? The name seems like an extra step for your security that provides her no benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:11 AM
3

How does it help build “an amazing and loving relationship”?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:00 AM
6

Seems you want to show your independence/dominance by having her take your last name. No reason why it can’t go either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:59 AM
6

I don’t know if I’ve seen a more “scraping the bottom of the barrel” gotcha question. OJ got away with murder actually. Carol Baskin has been accused by Joe Exotic. That you’re taking him seriously kind of proves the point you’re trying to disprove with your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:57 AM
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Preservation of norms is not a justification. You’d think if you loved someone your need to brand them with your last name should not be a top priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:50 AM
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You said you’d have to explain to everyone you’re not a giant vagina which says to me you’re insecure if the reason you want her to change her name is what other people think about you as a person and/or sex organ. I doubt people forget they’ve changed their name since it’s their name. Kind of a big deal. I can see the value in having the same last name but why haven’t you considered changing your own name? I imagine it goes back to your insecurities of what people would see you as less of a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:45 AM
6

you have to do literally nothing to your own name and she has to change her last name which she has defined herself by her whole life. You’re giving a large ask and returning nothing to her
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:39 AM
6

your minor irritation or fear is worth someone changing their name? Redefining themselves literally when you don’t have to do the same or anything close
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:28 AM
6

So you’re driven by fear?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:16 AM
4

So insecurity drives your need to have her change her name?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:15 AM
7

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:14 AM
6

Lol. Then why don’t you take her last name?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:03 AM
3

How many male comics talk about their dicks in most of their humor. I’ve watched four specials in the last week and they had something about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 09:24 PM
2

I personally think she’s saying that to get desperate more interested in her and then buy her products.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 09:07 PM
2

Because they’re trying to get attention for going their own way as a substitute for the female attention they claim to no longer need.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 12:16 AM
1

That’s my point, you bring up women not choosing dangerous jobs like it is some sort of refutation of some point when really it’s men and women both making choices. Equality is about choice and opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 12:44 AM
2

So because men voluntarily choose dangerous work women are somehow at fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 12:17 AM
1

And you pretend you’re better than all that but then pull the same shit you pretend they do. It’s pathetic.
/r/MGTOW31/08/19 11:25 PM
1

Look at all you snowflakes offended by an ad lol.
/r/MGTOW31/08/19 09:33 PM
1

Men have always had more rights than women. They were head of household and could beat and even kill women under their “care” with impunity. Look back on cucking stools, scold’s bridals, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 11:24 AM
4

And men gave them to themselves without giving them to women for millenia so that kind of proves the point
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 10:07 PM
1

I think it’s you making excuses for a text you want to believe is true. There’s many a verse that imply female subordination and the fact that Jesus is the head of man as man is the head of women implies clear subordination. Almost all Christian’s agree on these verses. You also skipped Timothy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 06:08 PM
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Subordinate has a pretty clear meaning there is no connotation being placed there that isn’t already in the text or taught by most of the church. Also “man is the head of woman” in Cor 11:3 reinforces it and 1 Tim 2:12 also speaks of women being unfit for leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 05:44 PM
1

Subordinate yourself under and obey are synonymous IMO. Would you like to clarify otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 05:35 PM
3

It does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 01:59 AM
4

I know I meant you had nothing of value to say and were incapable of debate
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 01:58 AM
7

Only have to go back 409 years for the last living example proves my point
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 01:28 AM
8

Exactly what I expected
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 01:26 AM
5

No you didn’t, you changed the subject and gave an invalid example as the children are usually not unwilling participants in being with their mom but human trafficking victims are always unwilling. I guess this is the kind of answers I should expect from MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 06:37 PM
1

So you don’t trust people without property to vote because you think they’ll use it to abuse others but you implicitly trust property holders to not abuse others, even though most people used abuse to obtain property in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 06:34 PM
5

Lol, hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 06:31 PM
3

I’m a dude. I’m just looking for red pill hamstering which I’m seeing a ton of.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 06:30 PM
2

Is there any evidence men and women commit child murder at similar rates?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 06:28 PM
1

Except the voters can vote for their own interests to keep “net negatives” from owning land.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 03:49 PM
2

Lol skipping the parts where it says women have to obey their husbands?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 03:48 PM
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Resources should be shared equally and deadly weapons should require both spouses approval. Sounds fair to me. The man shouldn’t be infantilizing his wife which he would be if he was in charge of finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 07:30 PM
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No it doesn't. Finances should be shared as that is the most important resource. ​ Annie Oakley seemed to know what she was doing. ​ What country?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 06:19 PM
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Sounds like you're not a very respectful or empathetic person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 06:17 PM
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So a deadly weapon needs both spouses permission to be in a home makes sense to me. Especially when men kill far more often than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 04:56 PM
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Because laws like coverture codified male supremacy. Raising small children is not easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 04:22 PM
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I agree 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 04:21 PM
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The deeply patriarchal sects of christianity like the SBC believe fathers have total control over the family. Some even refuse to send women to college because they don't need it to be be a broodmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:50 PM
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Until recently that was not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:38 PM
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It's patronizing to say someone is of equal value but not give them equal power. It's degrading
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:35 PM
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She shouldn't have a boss she should have a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:22 PM
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you ignored coverture and head and master part
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:21 PM
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Yet men got all the power and often abused it. Women could still get fired for being pregnant until 1980, my grandmother needed her husband's permission to get a driver's license, and men could have their own solo accounts and could keep it from their spouses.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:19 PM
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi4tLb795XhAhUum-AKHaFxAQQQFjAAegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fmoney%2Fus-money-blog%2F2014%2Faug%2F11%2Fwomen-rights-money-timeline-history&usg=AOvVaw1D0mooX6f2TDQMCcusLLFl
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:18 PM
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi4tLb795XhAhUum-AKHaFxAQQQFjAAegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fmoney%2Fus-money-blog%2F2014%2Faug%2F11%2Fwomen-rights-money-timeline-history&usg=AOvVaw1D0mooX6f2TDQMCcusLLFl
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:18 PM
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Incorrect, men had total control of finances, property and the household. Look up coverture, look up men being allowed their own bank accounts and family accounts and women not allowed either, look up men being able to decide whether their wives could have drivers licenses. You are deluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:14 PM
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A common opinion is feminism looks down at SAHM/W and I’m saying husbands always did that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:17 AM
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Yeah if he loves her he’d treat her as an equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:12 AM
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They are dependent because they are being asked to do work for no pay. I’m talking about how men treated SAHM before feminism so you’re pretty much proving my point. They weren’t respected then either when dad didn’t do anything and were isolated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:10 AM
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it took a radical a societal shift in order to make that happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:06 AM
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You’re already off going your own way I thought?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:03 AM
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No. If he gets power over her she’s better off just getting a career so she doesn’t have to be treated as a slave-child.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:02 AM
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The safety she needs is usually from other men. So if she has a gun she has no need for your protection?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:00 AM
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To provide for the family, same as the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:55 AM
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Yes it does. Otherwise it’s patronizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:44 AM
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So once we developed the indoors women ceased having to worry about bears. Clearly people didn’t like the way it was and therefor it needed to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:44 AM
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Raising children is real work. Being bored can lead to depression and the husband getting total control over anything can make them incredibly unhappy. Doing a 9-5 doesn’t suck if you like your job. She also answers to her husband as opposed to being treated as equal. It comes off as incredibly patronizing when you say things like “We want women to stay home because we care about them”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:39 AM
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Because then you don’t value them as an equal adult who is making sacrifices for the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:35 AM
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They’re financially dependent because they’re doing unpaid labor for the benefit of the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:28 AM
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You don't seem to realize how protection work, nor heavy lifting. Care to explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:23 AM
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Should using the most shallow dating app possible be factored in?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 03:02 PM
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I’ll take Stalking for 200, Alex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 02:48 AM
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My wife was a Virgin when we met but I had quite a few partners before hand she’s never asked for an actual number and I’ve never brought it up. I feel like no one should judge anyone that has a similar partner count. If she was in a committed relationship should she not be allowed to have passionate sex? I think this points to a pretty deep insecurity on your part and it’s your issue not hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 11:32 PM
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Sorry, I thought it was on topic for gender, sexuality, and gender differences. would not have posted otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 07:32 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, I know this might be personal, but are you trans? Also it's not me just some dude I feel really bad for
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 07:30 PM
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Depressed? no. Disfigured? it's their call.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 06:45 PM
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he said he will live and he was clearly in the middle of a mental breakdown, I can't judge. Idk he can check out later if he wants but it seems she's really supportive. My first instincts would probably be to run away and hide for the rest of my life if I wasn't already married because its asking a lot from a partner to deal with the mental and physical issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 06:43 PM
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I agree but it seems its not the lack of penis but the loss of his identity and that his fiancé won't love him the same and that he will be made into a social outcast and laughing stock.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 06:36 PM
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he really pours it out though. Everything he's feeling. I was certainly engrossed but how else do you expect a guy to feel about losing his junk?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 06:34 PM
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It seems like he apologized and begged her forgiveness. I'm not saying I would give up but I certainly understand his fears. He had a fiancé which means he wants to spend his life with her and likely had the whole thing planned out before this. He's afraid of people finding out and that he won't be enough for his fiancé anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 06:32 PM
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I agree in most cases but he seems like he's really hung up on the idea that he will be a social outcast and never feel the same again. I can't imagine the isolation he must feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 06:29 PM
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Idk the guy probably has never felt so vulnerable and I can't imagine much worse other brain damage or loss of child.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 05:40 PM
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Yeah I think he should get euthanized if that's what his plan is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 05:32 PM
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I think most serious relationships would stay together at least at first but how long after will she expect him to be over it when he very likely will not be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 05:27 PM
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His reasoning seems to be that he doesn't have to suffer it and feel like a freak or whatever. I'm not saying you're not wrong but it seems like living death vs death
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 05:17 PM
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Idk. the dude clearly didn't know what he was walking into but I'm guessing he was asking what sort of parting gift or something he could give her not being told to live a life doesn't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 05:13 PM
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The comments tear him apart. His follow up post also lists some specific comments that were pretty rude imo. Idk I just feel for the guy since he feels obligated to stay alive for someone he thinks will despise him shortly. He changes his mind but doesn't feel good about it. He also just found out the day before so he was probably in shock.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 05:10 PM
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Here's a link to his update about choosing to live. ​ https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/b12ooz/update_trying_to_make_my_m29_fiancé_27f_somewhat/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 12:11 PM
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Why are there so many posts about women making men wait for sex as of recent? That topic used to come up every once in a while but now it seems to be every other post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:27 PM
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If I wasn’t married It’d really depend on the rest of her. On the other hand: This is the red pill dream. Preying on someone with deep insecurities they can take advantage of to exploit them sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 11:27 AM
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Weren’t you the guy who was okay with his sister being sexually assaulted at a work party?
/r/MensRights09/02/19 02:52 PM
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98% of women want to be slaves to their husbands?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 09:33 AM
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They were saying submission means the woman must be trapped in the home and completely dependent on the man with him making her every decision but somehow still making her feel valued. When someone said that would never make them want to submit they responded : The fact that your acting upon your natural submission is contingent upon your feelings shows the need for the man to enhance your natural submission by removing the obstacles to your truly submitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 12:00 PM
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I showed you an explicit endorsement and you’re claiming it’s not. I’m sorry you’re having trouble understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 01:01 AM
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I showed up a comment where they went beyond defining it and endorsed it. You claimed it did not. Unfortunately they deleted other comments defending and endorsing it. I did not call you any names so I don’t see how I ad hommed you unless you don’t understand what ad hom means. You’re projecting because you know you are wrong. This is an Endorsement: The fact that your acting upon your natural submission is contingent upon your feelings shows the need for the man to enhance your natural submissi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 12:27 AM
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You first made a straw man of feminism then you accused me of strawmanning for understanding their words exactly as they said them, which said that for submission to be real you had to trap a woman in the home and make completely dependent on you with no choices in their life, later they explained explicitly they endorsed it, by saying they wanted a traditional relationship I.e. man in total control and woman submitting. Stop projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 12:19 AM
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Mgtow are incels who believe the tie goes to the runner when they pretend to swear off women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 12:07 AM
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You’re right about just that part everything else they fully endorsed and have since deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 12:03 AM
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No one would ever say they wanted to destroy their wife what they’re describing is destroying the wife and they make it clear they support it as they later say they support traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 10:20 PM
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He’s saying you don’t like an autist and you might have an education which are both things that don’t come up often with red pulled individuals
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 09:48 PM
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When called out by this comment "Nothing would make me feel less willing to naturally submit They responded with The fact that your acting upon your natural submission is contingent upon your feelings shows the need for the man to enhance your natural submission by removing the obstacles to your truly submitting. So are you going to admit you’re wrong or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 11:34 AM
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Trying to make someone feel crazy and doubt themselves is gaslighting. Telling someone they’re valued while completely degrading them would be a form of gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 10:51 AM
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I just imagined you know how to read and navigate through a thread. I’m sorry I overestimated your abilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 10:50 AM
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They defend the position over and over throughout the thread
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 02:11 AM
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The person is describing how they feel submission should be. That you don’t find anything wrong with that is the real problem
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 01:44 AM
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You are describing the woman having literally no control at all or choice in her relationship, becoming completely home bound and barred from interacting with anyone. Subjugation was putting it lightly, you’re pretty sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 12:25 AM
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To have a truly submissive woman, you must strip her down of all options to leave by denying her employment, setting boundaries as to who she can associate with to avoid negative influences, and making her feel valued all at the same time. It's a tall order. This was part of the comment that started this thread and you scrolled past that to deal with someone responding to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 12:24 AM
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you’re describing subjugation not submission. Not that I support either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 11:54 PM
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Lol all of your posts are whining about women and feminism. The dude literally described how he wanted to destroy his wife mentally and completely control her. That that is not the comment you responded to kind of says it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 11:52 PM
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So gaslighting?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 11:50 PM
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I think you’re redefining the term hate to limit it’s definition. It’s not that RP are the KKK of women hate. It’s that they stereotype and have a prejudice against women. That’s a form of hatred. It’s not like incel shoot and kill a ton of women but that isn’t the only type of hate. Many also want to limit women’s roles and abilities to be far less than that of men. In most people’s eyes that’s hate. even slavemasters didn’t necessarily hate slaves, just as long as they stayed slaves. It’s when…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 08:59 PM
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For being anti sexual assault?
/r/MensRights26/01/19 03:54 AM
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I don’t disagree and I think it should be outlawed. But it’s more dads who want that by a large magnitude over wives or women. Nice try to change the subject though. Maybe focus on the matter at hand.
/r/MensRights25/01/19 01:11 AM
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So does this usually work? Or do you just say words and then complain how women find you repulsive and how they should bring back coverture.
/r/MensRights24/01/19 10:25 PM
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Lol it’s called not tolerating shitty behavior. Especially not celebrating shitty behavior and downplaying being a sexual predators He’s being a piece of shit and should know it.
/r/MensRights24/01/19 10:04 PM
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Ad Homs are not an argument lmao. Your passive aggressive insults are the reason no women will touch you. You didn’t even deliver any good insults you didn’t smack anyone’s ass you just made an ass of yourself. You didn’t even deal with with the actual issues probably because you don’t see an issue with sexual assault.
/r/MensRights24/01/19 09:30 PM
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You in another world: "Yeah Mr. Officer, how can you arrest someone for kidnapping, you're doing the same thing he did!"
/r/MensRights24/01/19 05:34 PM
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You clearly expect your sister to grin and bear it when she was sexually assaulted. A dude tried to take her clothes off without permission in public and you think he only deserved a talking to. You clearly have some sort of complex about women that you need to work through.
/r/MensRights24/01/19 03:19 AM
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I’m actually a man. I’m just disgusted by you and your attitude. The way you acted like what he did is no big deal when that’s your sister. Try and tell me you don’t have as big of a double standard as even the most hypocritical feminist?
/r/MensRights23/01/19 11:05 PM
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You refuse to hold men accountable like the one who sexually assaulted your sister.
/r/MensRights23/01/19 09:05 PM
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So he tried to strip your sister against her will in a public setting and you think he deserves compassion? Sounds like someone doesn’t give a fuck about their sister. Will you feel this way when he steps up his SA game and your sister could’ve done something to stop him earlier?
/r/MensRights23/01/19 12:41 PM
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Thank you for your feedback!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 03:05 PM
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I’m happily married. Nice effort 6/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 03:01 PM
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MGTOW are incels who think if they pretend to reject women at the same time as women actually reject them the “tie goes to the runner” rule applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 12:54 PM
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Lmao. I love MGTOW fantasy stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 02:29 PM
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The definition of submissive you Gave is the red pill dream. As far as St. Paul times back then women could be killed by their husbands and were property. I don’t think you’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 01:15 AM
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Lol you can’t appeal to history. Women were property/sex slaves for quite some time. They had no rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 12:52 AM
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Libertarianism is a pipe dream as much as communism. Both require people to not be shitty and as you probably know they are. I do not oppose guns and I want all drugs legalized. As long as doctors are required to save lives everyone should have insurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 08:50 PM
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And I would think you as a libertarian would disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 11:12 PM
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Freedom is more valuable. You will never know the life you actually want with someone else playing gatekeeper to all your dreams and deserves
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 10:22 PM
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Not the person you’re responding to but it’s pretty spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 08:58 PM
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it means they took on the responsibility of another humans actions. If your dog escapes and bites a kid. That is your responsibility and you pay the price. So if your women did something that was deemed wrong by society at large, The man would be punished as the women was his responsibility. Can you not see how this is dehumanizing if not infantilizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 08:57 PM
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And they faced much more negative discrimination as they were essentially considered their husband’s child and had to do whatever he said, he owned her property after marriage and she couldn’t own her own, he could abuse her in just about anyway he saw fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 08:52 PM
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The situation she’s describing is not a micro aggression that’s actual discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 08:51 PM
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No I’m anti-one side having power over another. You aren’t so I guess that makes you a feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 01:17 AM
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I know that relationships that give one side power over the other are more likely to be abusive or unhealthy than ones where both partners are equal
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 12:53 AM
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See the people who say this say that when one side is completely degrading the other, so it’s hard to take that seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 10:31 PM
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>Why would men consider a traditionally feminine woman inferior? she is high value and she would be doing her part as a wife and mother correct? If she sacrifices part of her freedoms to our family. Why would I consider her my inferior and not my partner? Because you're expecting her to give up part of her freedoms and be submissive whereas you get all the power.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:55 PM
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Partners should be equal. The fact that wives having as much say and influence as their husbands is controversial shows how backwards traditional values are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:39 PM
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He’s not a genuine person. Clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 06:01 PM
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He lied about witness tampering. That’s a pretty big deal for a judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 05:55 PM
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The equivalent of a Jewish Nazi or a black klansman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 05:50 PM
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Kav lies under oath no surprise he’d lie in a private meeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 05:48 PM
2

The challenge doesn’t have to survive the lower court it can just be appealed until it reaches the Supreme Court. Any restriction can be overturned by a sane lower court before getting appealed to the Supreme Court. Steve King (R-IA) is already taking a victory lap about it overturning Roe.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 05:47 PM
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Because ideas become actions. Online radicalization is a real problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 09:01 PM
1

I disagree. None of my past partners nor my wife have ever questioned my masculinity. However your entire childhood your dad and male peers do. Many never leave the high school mentality (see: The Red Pill) and continue to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 03:31 PM
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Because the expectation are painted as a good thing and propagated by other men. There is toxic femininity but it’s generally more about being helpless, or pretending to be dumb in order to not intimidate men etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 02:50 PM
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The societal expectations of men is the base of toxic masculinity. The idea that men should be stoic and not express emotions aside from anger and aggression etc. and use violence instead of talking things out. Can all those things be used at the gym or something? Sure but it’s the expectation that they not express emotions & “boys don’t cry” that is toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 02:07 PM
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Another day another post about a concept that the OP doesn’t understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 01:48 PM
1

One can both understand it and think it’s incredibly dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 01:54 AM
1

Which theory? I mean red pill is a pretty simple theory
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 02:26 PM
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You do realize just because there is not a large demand for something doesn’t mean there’s no demand all? Just because one degree is not very important doesn’t mean you should disregard all forms of education. I mean on the right you have M. Div. degrees and other useless shit like jobs that are going the way of the dinosaur like coal mining and what not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 01:13 PM
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Debt free is a euphemism for didn’t go to college. Meaning they want an uneducated woman they can more easily manipulate. This stuff falls more into Christian complementarianism and their awful treatment of women rather than the red pill which isn’t looking to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 01:07 PM
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If someone says they were just mugged or faced some other form of criminal behavior 99% of the time I’m going to believe them. I’m against false accusations as well but I’m not going to be a prick to victim. I’ll let the courts decide as is their job. I’m fine with men backing away too just the men who are backing away won’t shut up about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 01:30 AM
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While legal due process should presume innocence until proven guilty, the public will form opinions and work places have to protect their employees and if they don’t act on these accusations and they’re proven to be true they can lose millions in law suits. The current work climate is more due the behavior of some men than some women and your choice not mention that as well as some of your other comments makes me wonder if you have some sort of bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 11:15 PM
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Yeah when 14 women say the same thing that tends to happen. I think you’re just whining for whining’s sake given your comment history.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 06:56 PM
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Aziz got off fine. CK was making improper sexual advances.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 04:28 PM
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But if you’re the third party investigator why are you asking for my conclusion? Semantics aside, the term date rape exists for a reason, as does the whole escalation of sexual advances, making out can be fine but then he goes to escalate and she says “No.” then he doesn’t take that no for an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 02:06 PM
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Is he forcing the making out upon her or are they making out? If it’s exactly as you said then obviously when they started making out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 01:54 PM
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By being like “hey stop raping?”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 01:50 PM
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When she made out with the guy is when she became responsible for cheating. Obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 01:49 PM
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I think confidence is key. Most who are non empathetic have natural confidence because they don’t care about others’ feelings and that can include misogyny. There’s still plenty of men who are confident and don’t treat women like crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 01:09 PM
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If the people that are the most red pill are the ones that the most hostile then clearly there’s a problem with the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 04:10 PM
1

All the usual manosphere stuff plus male headship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 12:36 AM
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A bunch of degrading views of women mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 11:11 PM
1

His fruit is angry men and a degrading view of women. He has no kindness or caring. He’s simply a false prophet advancing his own agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 11:10 PM
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He like Rollo, Roosh, etc are just good at telling men what they want to hear. Most of these people are bitter and angry and he feeds them more stuff to be bitter and angry about. They’re unified in their hatred of women and it helps them from hating themselves so much. He claims to be Christian, which is slightly different but he lacks the decency Christians are supposed to show their neighbors and although I’m not a Christian I think Matthew 7:15 would call his Christianity into question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 08:49 PM
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I find most blue pills (myself included) don’t deny that people (that’s men and women) lose value. It’s that red pillers believe only women do or women lose more value that’s disagreed with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 08:24 PM
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I’m male. I think they should change their name to men ruminating about women from a distance or MRAWFAD. If these were men actually going their own way I’d not care one way or the other. Since 9 out of 10 posts are rants about women and the other 1 out of 10 are rants about things related to women, I think they’re pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 02:55 AM
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If MGTOW stands for men going their own way why is all they post about women and sexual minorities? 🤔
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 02:36 PM
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No one but that’s rich given your victim complex. You’d think some woman gelded you given your comment history.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 11:07 PM
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You have no idea. I think you just have a complex given your comment history.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:43 PM
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I’m saying it’s unknown. You don’t have a clue and neither do I. Yeshua was male but who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:07 PM
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How do you know who created the first fire?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:51 PM
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One time I was walking down the street and I found a hundo just lying there. So I guess people should walk down the street more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 07:10 PM
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No the only good science is good science.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 07:59 PM
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Your post and comment history are easy to view. In what ways would you say you differ from the red pill in anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 07:55 PM
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Your attempt at refuting his argument would refute the red pill ideology you hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 07:51 PM
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I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 07:39 PM
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Did you actually bring up Freudian psych as proof that psych beliefs are not holding up to snuff? Because Freud hasn’t been anything other than a historical figure in psych for half a century. Might as well attack phrenology while you’re at it. Evo psych is almost entirely “you know what sort of sounds like it makes sense?” It’s mostly unfalsifiable claims. You can’t run it through the scientific method. Human can’t perfectly adapt to a changing environment because the environment is changing. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 07:17 PM
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I don't think you have a firm idea of what your trying to argue. Pot meet kettle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 06:22 PM
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I am not literally doing that. Your experience does not account for everyone's experience. I never stated any bullying was at all acceptable. The red pill is based entirely on personal experiences with 1 in 3.5 billion people. It also seems to encourage bullying your partner. So kind of hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 06:20 PM
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Evo psych is largely bs though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 06:09 PM
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Toxic masculinity = Male gender roles and enforcement thereof. These roles are traditionally policed by other men. Boys don’t cry/dance/cook/etc “Dude don’t be such a pussy/girl etc” Making a man feel bad about himself for taking paternity leave Telling athletes to keep playing with obvious injuries All of this added Up is “maintain frame”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 02:43 PM
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Sexist and misogynistic, absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 07:16 PM
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And I said that it's really easy to ask for affirmative consent and pick up on social cues. If it's that tough then you need to pack it up because asking a question vs potentially committing a felony seems like a no brainer.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 07:50 PM
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If you're that concerned with the possibility perhaps only have sex in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 07:42 PM
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If you can't tell, then get out of the bedroom. It's so easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:57 PM
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If you can't tell she isn't into it then you're either incredibly sexually inexperienced or you never actually wanted to bring your partner any kind of sexual satisfaction to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:44 PM
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If you can't ask if your partner wants to have sex then you shouldn't be having sex to begin with. No exceptions as you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:41 PM
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Or she did freeze up. There's plenty of ways to tell if she's actually into it. If a girl being wet or a guy being hard is all you need for consent then i guess any guy with a random erection is fair game to either sex? "Your honor I could see the outline of the erection in his pants so he was definitely into me anally penetrating him moments later." "All charges dismissed". There are plenty of cues during interactions leading up to sex and if you're not shooting a load in your pants because a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 02:55 PM
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How can you not tell if your partner is into it? Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 02:33 PM
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Anyone who upvoted that chart is an idiot. 90% of red pillers are people who never left high school behind and want to brag to their friends about getting laid. They lose that with a sex bot and therefor lose the benefits. If anything these will reveal that they never wanted "just sex" to begin with they wanted companionship which these bots can't provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 02:15 PM
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If certain men weren't so thirsty, there wouldn't be a "market place distortion" although even if that were the case the red pillers would still find something about women to whine about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:42 PM
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I see conflict has the potential to be everywhere but if you see your relationship as a conflict then you've fucked up royally. He obviously saw his relationship as a conflict and that ended as one would expect. I love my wife and if I saw our relationship as a conflict we would not be together. Red pill is all about winning and losing, taking pride in getting one up on our partner means you're a shitty partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:39 PM
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I was just pointing out this guy said other shit that is more anti red pill than this was pro red pill. Even still with this other quote he still says more in favor of actually having mature adult relationships than the red pill would ever be comfortable with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:11 PM
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Coming from the people who claim AWALT?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 05:45 PM
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This guy also says that we must love without holding back regardless of our fear of being hurt, your quote vaguely moves towards red pill, his other quote is completely what you would call blue pill and others would call normal. edit: someone here beat me to the quote but here it is: "There is no intensity of love or feeling that does not involve the risk of crippling hurt. It is a duty to take this risk, to love and feel without defense or reserve.”"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 02:10 PM
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Purple pill means you're red and embarrassed by it or think there's some validity to the red pill either way partly red. You clearly didn't read the comments otherwise the response would be justified by any sane person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 07:42 PM
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It's Sex and the City but otherwise good points.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 04:57 PM
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Lol you didn't respond to my evidence. Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 12:57 PM
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The data is biased. The three worst comments he felt the need to link one is in response to "bitches deserve to die" a highly upvoted threat by mgtow and one is sarcasticly repeating a phrase seen in the linked thread and the third is just a woman claiming that she being happy is enough to trigger all the incels. So no the data is not neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 12:47 PM
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Just because they're cowards doesn't mean they're not a hate group. Why have you yet to respond to the fact that the "hateful" comments you linked the first one one is sarcastic and the second is in response to a post declaring "bitches deserve to die?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 11:43 AM
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I know the red pill often has a problem with subtext and nuance but the comments you've linked include satire "what chucks they are" is making fun of incels in the link post calling various woman's boyfriends " cucks" and the "calling them psychopaths is in response to a very upvoted post claiming "bitches deserve to die" and everyone agreeing and circle jerking.is that the same as "10 ways to make a woman have sex when she doesn't want to?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:56 PM
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A sexual strategy that looks to exploit others while believing hateful things about them. I had plenty of casual sex when I was single I didn't need to be a misogynistic douche.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:52 PM
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The red pill hates women that don't "know their place". The kkk hates minorities that don't "know their place." The red pill is a choice being a woman is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:44 PM
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I know it's not what you meant. I was making fun. The red pill/kkk hate people based on people's unchosen characteristics gender/race etc. being red pill/kkk is a choice. You don't have to be a hate monger but choose to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:36 PM
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Exactly, the rational hatred of those that oppose the kkk is not comparable to the hatred the kkk feels towards minorities. Similarly the rational hatred the blue pill feels towards red pills is not the same as the hate red pill feels towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:25 PM
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Hating the kkk is not the same as the hate the kkk feels towards minorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:14 PM
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It's the only language red pill's understand
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 08:53 PM
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He explained it. One is justified the other is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 03:53 PM
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Okay, hating the Kkk for being hateful is not the same as the kkk being hateful for there being black peoples
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 03:52 PM
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"Hey the anti kkk hates the kkk as much as the kkk hates black people, it's the same!"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 01:51 PM
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If the men on there were attractive then by their own logic they wouldn't need the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 01:48 PM
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Should of the allies have not met the axis with violence since violence was the axis way?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 01:04 PM
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The red pill is the hate speech they're standing against.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 12:32 PM
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Sure, but they're in their teens and early 20's. They grow out of it. Many of these mgtow are in their late 30's early 40's and it's a lot more sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 07:55 PM
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A private organization is bound by the laws of the land. The laws that cover employment do not cover grants. Grants are generally given by private organizations and they can decide who is eligible and who is not. There's grants for left handed people, people from Ohio, etc if you want these grants to be available for everyone write your congressman, however they'd likely eliminate the grant rather than make the women's leadership council grant available to men as it doesn't exactly mesh with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 03:58 PM
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Women do go their own way, political lesbianism, women's lib etc. just because they actually go their own way instead of creating a Reddit where they claim they're going their own way while actually having a completely unhealthy fixation on the opposite sex and publishing every news article that remotely fits their world view, you know where 50%+ of the world is evil, doesn't mean they're not doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 02:18 PM
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That fits the legal definition of discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 07:47 PM
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Unsolicited touching is creepy. Also unsolicited dick pics, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 05:09 PM
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It's almost like relationships isn't entirely about one person. Gasp. In all seriousness being adaptable and also not being afraid to voice your opinion are important for any successful relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 05:07 PM
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I don't care who puts their dick where I care about psychological abuse and belief systems that seek to enable abuse and subjugation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 01:46 AM
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No sir.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 01:35 AM
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Abortion drops every year thanks to easier access to contraception and yet conservatives are trying to make access harder. Seems like they want more abortions. No sympathy for men who want to force women back into subservience because they don't like having to deal with not being in charge.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 11:44 PM
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Don't eat shit. I'm already here doing pretty well. Bodily autonomy is a good reason to rid yourself of unwanted invaders. Men and women are equal, not the same, but equal. They deserve equal say and control of the relationship and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 11:22 PM
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Safety net programs that keep children from going hungry and support an education will always be valuable imo. If the kid's going to starve why not abort? Children are great. Women are adults and deserve control over their own lives and equal say in their relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 10:49 PM
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You didn't respond to any of my points. Treating women as children and subordinate or degrading. But as far as your comment: Preventing unwanted children is in everyone's best interest. And with the way conservatives cut funding for programs that aid children I'd say they're more anti child once it's in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 10:28 PM
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Because women are adults with adult thought, feelings, and capabilities. Red pills belittle women by claiming they're incapable of being adults. I'm sure there are liberals who hate children but not because they're liberal. Submission and subordination is degrading in an romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 09:12 PM
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The same way I respect men as adults and make fun of mgtow/incels/rps to varying orders of magnitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 08:47 PM
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Right because women didn't have bodily autonomy to give away?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 02:51 PM
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Lol. The red pill strips women of all individuality, what do you think awalt is?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 06:00 PM
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You're part of a community that pretends they're going their own way, if you actually were going your own way you'd do it instead of talking about it. Instead you just botch on the internet claiming women don't have souls.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 01:05 AM
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Coming from the guy who needs to let everyone know he's having a hissy fit because women are people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 12:41 AM
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I love dark humor it just has to be funny, and him saying "I am a rapist" isn't really hitting my funny bone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 11:49 PM
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Don't you have your own way to be going?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 11:48 PM
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Lol. Get over yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 09:40 PM
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If that's humor then you need psychiatric help
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 08:52 PM
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It's fine you feel that way, not so fine that you treat women like shit
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 08:51 PM
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We both know that's not true but the fact that's how you chose to respond may seem to indicate you know I'm right, let it stew for a while come back from the misogynistic side.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 07:27 PM
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Lmao sorry did I trigger you? Julian said: “In Tokyo, if you’re a white male, you can do what you want. I’m just romping through the streets, just grabbing girls’ heads, just like, head, pfft on the d***.” And also "Dear girls, could you please save me the effort and roofie your own drink?” And described his teachings as "It’s Offensive, It’s Inappropriate, It’s Emotionally Scarring, BUT IT’S DAMN EFFECTIVE.” Knowing he's hurting these young women but not caring. And described a domestic violenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 07:18 PM
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Lol the irony of a red pill accusing a woman being incapable of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 07:02 PM
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He says grab a stranger around the waste as a greeting, aka being a creep sex predator. I know you want to believe your heroes aren't horrible people but alas it is so. Julien also talks about roofying and choking girls and i know you want to believe they're joking but it falls apart after critical thinking. Lol You and this are exactly what's wrong with the red pill, and why young women are turning away from it in droves. Lying like this doesn't make you win, because they can see what you did. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 07:01 PM
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I think you just have disgusting fantasies and you need women to want them to not hate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 01:00 PM
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I linked a video where your hero says exactly what I said after you said that wasn't the case. I'm sure your mom loved her big boy and is so proud even with his many mental difficulties. Enjoy being a creep. That wasn't even the first rape scandal to plague rsd ever heard of Julian Blanc? If being authentic and honest was all you needed then I guess blue pill and Disney was all you needed all along, glad to see your change of heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 12:59 PM
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I do know what all of this shit is. The red pill/Pua is all about emotional manipulation and being a misogynist. I think you're just engaging in hero worship and I'm sorry that I broke the image of your hero by exposing you to his disgusting behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 07:56 AM
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Claiming women have violent sexual fantasies is what then? Yeah ...but not against their will. Being physical that early on takes a lot of empathy based calibration but you can certainly do it. It's also 100% legal. So go cry about that to your congressman. He literally says in his video to do that as your first move of interaction to a complete stranger so obviously you're not actually reviewing the material. This might help https://youtu.be/QuKWH8x7_oM The point of that story is how much women…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 07:49 AM
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not what they want. Sales of 50 shades were record breaking for a reason. Women want male dominance. The male lead in 50 shades is literally obsessed with the protagonist. That's something red pillers always skip when they bring up novels like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 07:31 AM
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Are you one of the odd birds? Since you're going off about how all women want to be raped and are all submissive? Which obviously isn't true. Not to mention cook also advises grabbing complete strangers (women) and pulling them in like a fucking creep/rapist. He also said this "Say you've got a tribe, and there's this fucking lion that's come and eaten five or six members of your tribe... Everyone's scared of the scary cat. So you come along, and that scary cat comes out, and you grab that thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 02:31 AM
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So now we've come full circle to "be yourself?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 11:21 PM
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Lol. Nope I just subscribe to the idea that women are people, I also don't look to exploit other people which helps make you a part of helping your partner live out their fantasies since it requires a great deal of trust because of both their fear of judgement("you're into what?!) and logistics ("now that you're naked in the woods I'm going to run away with your clothes"/"now that you're tied up I might as well leave you here"). It's one of the if not the biggest way of putting yourself out thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 07:48 PM
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Assuming all women are into something because some people are into a specific type of porn is ridiculous. He doesn't even differentiate the types of porn, light spanking and sexual assault are under the same category in this guys categories. I know you want to believe all women are into rape fantasies because you have rape fantasies but I assure you that, like most red pill beliefs, simply isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 07:38 PM
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many people (men & women) have fantasies they never intend to live out through whether due to embarrassment, logistics, risks involved etc. to base an entire world view off the idea that someone's porn search history is laughable. But let's say what you're assuming is true: To have a fantasy that involves more than just yourself, which is likely most of them, requires a large or even extreme amount of vulnerability to your partner, whether through opening up to them and revealing elements of you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 12:52 PM
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Translation: I'll meet your anecdotes with my anecdotes but mine are better for ... reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 12:41 PM
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Lol. Many people have fantasies they would never want to actually live out due to practical reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 12:40 PM
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but you probably could. Lots of these are not complicated. Yes but seeing how the red pill treats women in such a horrible fashion they certainly couldn't trust you in anything at all let alone living out fantasies with a danger elements
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 12:26 PM
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Lol there you go again I agree and you start spouting off crazy hyperbole.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 03:00 PM
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I can agree with that. There's a literal nice guy and nice guystm and I recognize the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 02:36 PM
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I did great, and am what I would consider average looking and 5'8.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 02:35 PM
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I'm average and 5'8x
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 02:14 PM
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We love women, so they're wrong. Only when they're subservient doormats who give in to all of your desires and keep their mouths shut. Ah, "Confidence". Confidence is just a buzzword women use to refer to alpha traits they like in men. "Being confident" without RP context is creep territory. It's not even confidence that men need most of the time. It's the DGAF frame I did great with women in my college years with being a misogynistic douche. Where there is society, there is hierarchy What does …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 02:11 PM
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Except as RP will tell you, women don't want a doormat to fuck them. They have rape fantasies and want a big scary man to bend them over and have them. They want an asshole, a douchebag who is selfish and popular. Women are not wonderful, they're products of millions of years of evolution, and are optimized for reproduction in caveman times. See this stuff is why most people assume red pills are all misogynistic basement dwellers. They want confident men who aren't doormats, sure, but they don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 01:55 PM
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"Nice guys" pretend to be friends to try and get sex later.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 01:03 PM
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Pretty much every red pill strategy is cold and uncaring, as well as misogynistic and immoral. Regular guys do fine without being cold and uncaring. Red pills not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 12:56 PM
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So not a feminist myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 12:53 PM
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Lol. Then what are so called beta orbiters?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 12:40 PM
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Modern red pill advice makes you cold and uncaring, yes, as well as misogynistic but I don't think being in the SMP makes a difference I did quite well in my younger years without any of the terrible red pill advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 12:38 PM
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Isn't the red pill all about mind games?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 08:50 PM
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What else would you call any activity meant to hurt someone's self esteem or make them insecure or subservient? Enjoy your cult
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 12:28 PM
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Why would I ruin all of my interpersonal relationships and marriage just to be a dick to my wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 02:59 AM
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So you laugh at having so well deceived your friends? Seems like they're not really your friends if you must hide the real you to remain among them. Must be a rather isolating existence. I'm a pretty good judge of character so I'd probably sniff you out rather quickly for being a misogynistic douche aka a red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 02:59 AM
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I'm sure most women are disgusted by almost all of the red pill no matter how flowery the language. Putting lipstick on a pig so to speak. All of the practices are pretty misogynistic and douchey.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 02:30 AM
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It means you're treating their very likely reasonable request aka "shit test" and responding to them by talking down to them aka being a condescending prick.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 02:28 AM
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I want a partner not a doormat. Obviously not red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 02:06 AM
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Hmm so expressing red pill ideas openly lets people know you're a misogynistic tool? Go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 12:44 PM
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That's assuming those who leave join exRP. Most are probably too embarrassed and delete their accounts for having been duped into a misogynistic cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 12:41 PM
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Are you insulting them to make them with the intention of lowering their self esteem so they are more receptive to your sexual advances?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 12:40 PM
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It's likely to attract the emotionally damaged, those who can't see red flags, the immature, and those starved for attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 12:35 PM
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Being a condescending prick to your partner is unethical.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 12:07 PM
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Maybe if you need stuff so basic explained to you it's in humanity's best interest that you're kept from the gene pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 12:06 PM
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"Don't stick your dick in crazy" that's pretty universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 10:40 PM
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It's all based on what I've read and seen. The red pill is basically Mecca for misogyny I don't think it can be seen any other way. Any relationship can work if both people work together. When you treat it as a competition all of your victories are their losses and I never want my wife to lose, I guess that's the biggest difference between you and I.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 06:36 PM
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It depends on what of the ever changing definition of red pill they subscribe to. Not being a pushover? Great! Physical fitness? Awesome! Putting care in your appearance? Right on! All the stuff you'd find in any book about self improvement, getting what you want, and dating that isn't exclusive to the red pill in any way is fine. It's the negging, dread, amused mastery, pushing past lmr, pressuring women into sex/a type of sex they don't want, women are children, women are evil, women are evil …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 06:32 PM
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Don't treat people like shit seems like a pretty good rule for everyone's enjoyment. The red pill tosses that one right out the window. They also hide that they're members of the red pill community because they know people would run or call them out on their bullshit. I have pretty much everything I want in life without making my wife some subservient sex puppet. There's nothing wrong nsa sex it's when red pills lie about their intentions and use mind games to manipulate people that I have a pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 02:40 PM
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Yes others who engage in immoral behavior and get called out on it probably find my values shitty because they're just trying to have a good time at the expense of others and I'm all like "dick move" and they're like "I already know I'm red pill that's all we do". Why would I engage in morally reprehensible behavior? I'm doing great without it seems like a good way to fuck it all up. If you're even in a str you know what your lady looks like without makeup and probably without clothes. You're th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 12:50 PM
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Probably because you made a whole thread about me calling you a creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 01:01 AM
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Every red pill practice that isn't lifting or showering neither of which are red pill exclusively are either sexist or harmful negging, dread, amused mastery, every request treated as a shit test women are children, women are dumber than men, etc. Holding frame and withholding emotional intimacy is robbing someone of time for a real relationship. What's even the point of a relationship if you won't actually share what you're thinking and your emotions? Cheating and plate spinning are encouraged …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 12:57 AM
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You're not understanding him. Any example of the red pill that's bad in practice is dismissed "not the red pill" by red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 12:40 AM
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This is why most people think you're a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 12:37 AM
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It literally says to act like you might invest. I get that you want to pretend you aren't horrible people but with articles like that and how to force someone to get an abortion when they don't want to etc and the celebration of the dark triad it's gonna be a tough sell. I get it, 1. Find an emotionally damaged girl 2. Be a douche 3. Get laid (?). It's not complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 07:18 PM
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Pretending you might invest so you can get laid, even if you have no intention of it is immoral. As is everything else the red pill advises. Sesame Street is more advanced than red pill and sends a better message. At least it says treat my people with dignity and respect as opposed to treat women like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 07:07 PM
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The entire article is called how to not invest. It's pretending to be invested so she'll let him bone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 06:48 PM
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And when she starts to emotionally invest, make her feel like you MIGHT emotionally invest too (but not as much as her).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 06:39 PM
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And of course, escalate sexually. Paradoxically, it is possible to escalate sexually and not appear emotionally invested. In fact, a lot of women (especially damaged ones) are looking for emotionless sex. You must touch her, you must turn the conversation sexual, you must do “seductive” things like look into her eyes and whisper in her ear, etc… And you must confidently take the lead in the conversation and the situation in general, leading her from place to place, getting intimate with her, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 03:00 PM
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Red pill is emotional abuse so if you're into it then you're into emotional abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 02:38 PM
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The title of each link is what's wrong with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 02:35 PM
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So, you concede that they weren't in good relationships, as they were morons when they got into them? Why, then, is ending of such a relationship(not that we have follow ups of what happened in your exhibits) due to TRP such a bad outcome? I think every relationship no matter how great needs work. Getting complacent and lazy is not attractive from either sex. Googling "how to get my wife to fuck me" and stumbling on a forum that advocates male domination and other forms of emotional abuse and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 02:28 PM
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Except where it tells you to act like you might eventually be invested to in order to take advantage of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 01:30 PM
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I get you're into emotional abuse, it's a strange fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 01:29 PM
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I went through only few of your exhibits, and they all follow the same pattern. Men, (who, in some cases didn't even read material properly) apply trp to their existing relationship/marriage and it fails. Question is, if their relationships were good, why did those men seek out TRP in the first place? In those cases, men were already unfulfilled and felt underappreciated in those relationships, why do you see it as bad thing if they end? Probably because these men were morons and as easily manip…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 01:27 PM
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Thinking women are beneath you and harboring resentment to them for not listening are not mutually exclusive. It's part of being an arrogant douche which is what the red pill seems to be going for.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 11:05 AM
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Exactly, you want a slave who fucks you not a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 03:25 AM
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Right you don't hate women as long as she stays in her subservient submissive place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 03:19 AM
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You're not misunderstood you're just a proud member of a hate group.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 03:14 AM
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It advises to make her emotionally invest in you and not vice versa. It's about hurting her so you can get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 03:13 AM
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Does she know you go on misogynistic forums online? Yes you'll make your wife unhappy we get it. My wife earned my love a long time ago and I don't make her jump through hoops. We've been down this road a list all the red pill techniques that are emotional abuse then you counter that they're not when we both know they are. Maybe your wife is neglectful because you go on misogynistic forums online.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 03:03 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/64mvgf/the_most_important_part_of_game_is_not_being/?st=J4M4PM5P&sh=37a5891b 2 thousand upvotes about how not to emotionally invest
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 03:01 AM
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If one answers to the other or one has more power than the other, that is by its definition a hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 02:00 AM
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Red pill anthem https://youtu.be/5Z5JsrO7378
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 12:48 AM
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So he manipulates her into bed and then she gets pregnant which neither of them intended and then she keeps it but he doesn't want it. Faust had to pay eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 12:46 AM
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Seeing your partner as someone competing against you is one of the biggest problems with the red pill. You're supposed to be their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 12:38 AM
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Care to provide any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 12:36 AM
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Pretending to be emotionally invested in order to get laid and fucking right off.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 12:33 AM
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Those are all red pill statements and posts
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 10:34 PM
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I don't steal from anyone. Returning stolen property would be okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 09:22 PM
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I don't fuck up anyone's day unless they're fucking up mine or someone else's. You shouldn't lie(red pill endorsed behavior), steal, murder, or hurt. Hurt is relative self defense and defense of others is obviously allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 09:19 PM
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Agreed. I'm not a dick to my wife, unlike red pillers like yourself. Like defend that statement and explain the process behind it. Red pillers encourage emotionally abusive behavior. I do not emotionally abuse my wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 09:16 PM
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Sure. He's part of a cult that emotionally abusive to women and I called him out on it. I wouldn't call someone who wasn't part of that cult out on it because obviously they're not a part of it. Is that selective morality?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 09:07 PM
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I've read each. The red pill is filled with sexism and misogyny. "How to pressure women in abortions they don't want" "how to get your woman to try sex she doesn't feel comfortable doing" "how to make her say yes when she's saying no" "how to make her emotionally invested in you when you have no emotional investment in her" "women are children" "women are hypergamous Machiavellian manipulator social chameleons and yet also somehow children"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 09:03 PM
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I get that your wife still needs a parent, mine doesn't. We make decisions as team. Just because you feel it's okay to move to Zimbabwe without her knowledge or consent doesn't mean that's how real relationships should act. Also we're intimate all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 08:55 PM
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I am open with my wife, if one of us had to travel I could certainly say I miss you with out a field manual. I tell her things all the time. I don't need to without emotional intimacy to have a successful relationship, that's the reason real relationships work in the first place. Or the constant emotional abuse red pillers hurl at women. I did. It's all about putting fear in her heart that you'll leave/have options aka making her insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 08:53 PM
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