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Feyra/r/MGTOW06/05/17 01:50 PM
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DiscussionFeyra/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:01 AM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 02:35 PM
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If you're only going by black pill, women are always lying even when telling the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 02:44 PM
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Short answer, no. Long answer, yes, but with caveats. Propaganda can alter behavior in the short term, but not preferences. Long term alteration would take generations, and the propaganda has to be very subtle to avoid a response of rebellion, which increases the time required for it to take effect. Even then, there's strong risk of rebellion when social standards are wildly different from preferences (ie. what the people really want versus what they're told to want).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 07:46 PM
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Do Red Pillers over-exaggerate things or does it actually make a huge difference? They over-exaggerate, definitely. Just lifting won't make panties drop. However, that's not to say lifting isn't good advice or makes no difference at all, because it is good advice and can make a difference in how women perceive you. Not just because of the muscles, but also the air of confidence and noticeably healthy lifestyle. The trick is not just lifting, but also following a diet that accentuates your "gains…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 04:12 PM
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I'm a software developer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 12:05 PM
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The majority do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 12:05 PM
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That you are punching down, ok. Initially, I read it as suggesting the opposite. My mistake. It definitely says the opposite when that's not what I meant. Apologies, I should refrain from posting on reddit in the middle of a meeting. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 08:33 PM
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Can we get a well formulated thought posted instead please? Traditional women are virgins or close to virgins when they commit to a man. A great number of threads in this sub talk about N-count where men are aggressively against a "high" N-count, so it's fair to assume they want a traditional woman. Yet those same men often have no problem with laying large numbers of women "because biology", so it's fair to assume they're unwilling to be traditional men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 08:29 PM
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Are you and your friends, who have experienced this, often approached by guys...? It varies per friend, of course, but reasonably often. If not, maybe it's just about attraction, and your target selection. I've no doubt target selection is involved. Honestly, I'd need to ask my friends in a circumspect way how they select. For me, I tend to go for guys that most would probably say are "punching down" because my type is the quintessential nerd. In fact, it's a common joke in my circle of friends.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 08:10 PM
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Chad is an idea, not an instance. It's the guy who does well with women without trying, etc. etc. etc. The more you would try to pin down who he is and what he looks like, the more ridiculous and nonsensical the idea becomes. Very true. The stereotype is a tall muscular rich man with a strong jawline, but in reality anyone can be "Chad" simply by having a presence, for lack of a better term, that draws people to him. A lot of the "Chad" thing is charisma. Even a super hot rich dude can have awfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:12 PM
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All the men who whinge about N-count would be a good start. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:02 PM
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Really? Men usually react skeptically when approached directly? Yes. Do you base this on your personal experience, or did you literally mean "...we're..."? Personal and empirical evidence. Obviously I cannot speak for all women, but all of the women in my circle of friends including myself experience it most of the time. Anyway, what do those guys typically say? It depends on the guy. Usually they make some excuse and bail. Sometimes they'll chat for a bit, find a more reasonable excuse to bail …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:39 PM
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In your opinion which gender do you think is more guilty of whining about and shaming the opposite gender for their preferences? I'll start with this. I think women are more guilty of whining and especially shaming because it's socially acceptable. I'd wager that both genders are equally guilty of the underlying feeling, but men are only free to share that frustration in certain circles. On to the details! Your personality means nothing as a guy if you're not tall, have a full head of hair, stro…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:27 PM
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However, a fundamental difference in values will also result in an impasse regardless of how receptive both parties are. That can indeed happen, but I think that lack of receptivity is the cause of such an impasse. If there's no chance of compromise, and no chance of trying to understand the other party's position, an impasse is guaranteed. An argument involves both persuasion and compromise, because in reality only a fool believes himself to be 100% correct 100% of the time. We're trying to con…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 10:55 AM
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I fully understand, but unfortunately I can't summarize or tl;dr it. There's no rush or anything, please take your time. The video collects a millennia of debate philosophy into a bit under 30 minutes, and I'm not confident I can do any justice for the ethos-pathos-logos concept without writing tomes. It's a video link simply because I lack the skill to reduce the ideas into a reasonably short post.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:49 AM
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All of that is fair. Some are subjective, such as pets, but all in all a solid list. The only thing I disagree with is this: College degree in STEM/business from a decent school, or better. While I respect you want to match education with a partner, college these days is bullshit outside of medicine or justice where bars must be met. STEM and business? Both can be learned without incurring huge amounts of debt. The only value is the piece of paper that gets you into a field of work, after that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:41 AM
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I don't disagree with you. Not all women find success in dating, encounter ego-crushing situations, and reach the point of "fuck it, I'll pretend to try then complain when my obvious red flags push men away". All people tend to be self-centered, and any situation that shows the reality that as individuals we simply aren't important can be devastating. It's not fair, but life isn't fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:24 AM
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I work from home and live alone, so being stuck at home means no sex at all. It's very frustrating, but I don't consider sex to be essential and it breaks the guideline of social distancing. As such, I'm doing my part by abstaining. My consumption of porn and masturbation sessions have increased, of course. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 12:07 PM
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I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. What common traits do you have in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 06:23 PM
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Do you think that your disgust may have something to do with that? I honestly don't, at least not in general. On the individual level that could change, but at that point it goes beyond simply seeing a hooker or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 05:59 PM
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The concept of paying for sex doesn't bother me. Initial sexual interactions always consist of some sort of transaction, whether it be full out money for sex, sex for sex in return, or anything in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 05:41 PM
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Most female fashion seems impractical to me. It is impractical. Makeup sucks a big one, clothing that accentuates the female form and doesn't have pockets, accessories that serve no purpose other than bling. It's all expensive and absolutely essential, because men enjoy the end result.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 05:32 PM
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Because I'm very likely addicted to sex and don't conflate hookups with dating. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 09:59 PM
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I think everyone needs some form of pursuit to maintain a healthy mindset. Without a goal, one becomes bored, and boredom breeds depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 06:54 PM
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Feminism isn't reasonable in current year. Feminists vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 01:09 PM
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Reasonable people understand that the context matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 12:22 PM
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I don't understand why that makes you think less of men. The only thing encouraging me to think less of men is your responses that suggest men only want a hot woman and only for sex. Fortunately, I'm not so easily swayed. :) I think this conversation has run its course. Good day to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 09:07 PM
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He'd ignore all of those "reasons" if you were hot enough though. Perhaps I have too high an opinion of men, but I find that hard to believe. Just being hot is more than enough to get laid, but it's not enough for a relationship. And if the guy stays just for sex, that's nothing more than an extended pump and dump. We think it's stupid for different reasons Possibly. I think it's stupid because identifying sexual compatibility as soon as possible is important. I think it's stupid because sex doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 08:49 PM
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The ONLY reason your being pumped and dumped is if you have a stank pussy or your shooting out of your league. Or the guy only wants sex, or they're drunk, or they're high, or something happens that breaks the deal but he still wants to get his rocks off... I can think of plenty other than the two you say are the ONLY reasons. You said you should make them wait before having sex? No, I explicitly said it's stupid...twice. I explained why many women do that. I'm starting to think you're reading w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 08:27 PM
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I’ve had so many women be unnecessarily guarded to the point that I’m turned off and move on. And I regularly work with companies that take security so far it makes life hell for the users. Just because it's ideal doesn't mean it's easy to put into practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 08:15 PM
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I mean, the easiest thing you could do would be to recognize programs (men) that are unlikely to mesh well (commit) to your programming due to their specifications (attractiveness) not being supported by your systems hardware (your attractiveness) That's the bullshittiest bullshit I've ever read, and I work closely with sales people who make careers out of bullshitting. ;) Here, let me correct it (in the same way I correct technical bullshit for my sales folks): "The easiest thing you could do w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 08:11 PM
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I'm just saying if he's planning on only sex, nothing the girl can do besides not giving them sex will stop them from pump and dump. I agree. I think of it like computer security. It's a deterrent, but a determined attacker will get in. And the ideal goal for computer security is to deter as much as possible without making life hard for legitimate users. It's very similar in dating and sex; deter shitty guys as much as possible, but be aware that determined ones will manage to enter your "networ…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 07:45 PM
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Yeah, that's certainly possible. Unfortunately, that's how a lot of women view men in general. But in reality, those douchebags are few and far between.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 07:33 PM
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I said you as in the general woman not you yourself, I thought that was obvious. Not obvious, though I was fairly certain you didn't mean me specifically. But I couldn't resist an opportunity for return snark. :) No amount of him waiting for sex will make you as hot as you would need to be too secure his commitment. Da fuq? While I think making him wait is stupid, the point is to make sure he's not looking for a quick lay (eg. pump and dump). It's a way to weed out the guys who only want to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 07:14 PM
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What two? Soon after meeting. Out of her league. Did I really need to clarify that? The main factor is you not understanding you're simply not hot enough to earn the commitment. Please tell me more about myself. :D Fds is pretty terrible for not seeing this. FDS has been mentioned a lot lately. I think I'll finally get around to checking it out for funsies, because it seems to be quite triggering to a lot of folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:56 PM
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did it make you instantly put make up on and go chad hunting to get fucked? Perhaps that's how TRP would interpret it. When not in a relationship, my hookups almost consistently fall around the time of my ovulation. It's not like a subliminal message that turns me into a sex crazed zombie, but regardless of what I'm doing my thoughts turn to sex. For me at least, only actual sex helps, not masturbation. Does it happen every month? Yes. If I learned a girls period would I learn when my success ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:51 PM
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If you are rational you'd realize that you're more likely to be pumped and dumped if he's out of your league. The two are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:36 PM
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women aren’t super keen to meet random guys just to get pumped and dumped by them, especially while most hookups are relatively unsatisfying for women compared to men. Yeah, that's fair. I'd say most women don't just want the physical sex, they want an emotional connection too. Hookups lack that connection even though the physical pleasure is (hopefully) there. What do you think a woman’s motives are when it comes to dating? It's really not complicated. We grew up with "happily ever after" stori…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:08 PM
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It was not the first time it happens to her Mind blown. So there's never a first time but always a subsequent time? ;) She either knew or she could expect that it was very likely that it would happen from the get-go. Unless she's an idiot, this is true. Anytime we put out soon after meeting there's chance of a pump and dump. That's why the strategy of making men wait for sex exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:45 PM
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Post nut clarity is just something women don't/can't/won't understand. Yeah, no. Perhaps not on a per orgasm basis, but I'd wager damn near every woman is quite familiar with the mind-numbing sex drive around ovulation and clarity afterward. I've done things just prior to my ovulation that afterward I couldn't imagine doing and questioned my sanity. Best I can tell, that's identical to post nut clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:17 PM
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Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:06 PM
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Look dude, the only incorrect thing you've said is "strawman". You're trying to argue against someone who largely agrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:43 PM
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she'll tell them something along the lines of "I'm not interested" or "I'm married" I haven't had cause to use it, but "I have a gun" seems like it would be an effective deterrent. :) and they will continue to ask for her number, follow her while she's walking away and continue to try to convince her, not accepting no for and answer and continuing to try to get her number, etc. Yeah, that's not cool. If that's a regular thing she should definitely have some equalizing form of protection. She's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:36 PM
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Then why bring it up in the first place? Because you called it a strawman, which is incorrect. That's quite literally the only thing I disagree with you on. Moreover, if women aren't approaching and still can't find suitable partners, then once again, the problem is with those women and not the men. Again, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:24 PM
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I'm of the opinion that "unwanted attention" falls under a few blanket categories: 1) The culture of the area in question doesn't discourage true harassment. In my area, the most attention I get is stares and the very occasional approach, and I don't consider those to be unwanted attention, it seems completely reasonable. Not to brag but I'm in excellent shape and fairly attractive, so if the narrative is to be believed, I'd be harassed constantly every time I go out, which doesn't happen. I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:19 PM
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I may have misinterpreted your point, apologies. It seems we agree that most women can easily get sex or a date if they put in the effort to do so, and those opportunities increase the possibility of a relationship. So on that we seem to agree completely. However, the premise makes an unfair assumption: women doing the approaches. We both know that's not often how it works in the real world, so calling the original statement ("Women claiming that getting sex is easy, but getting into a relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 02:54 PM
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Oh yes, I'm definitely an outlier on that front. :) And I can absolutely understand the feelings behind it. Men have a tendency to read too deeply into female attention. At the risk of being hyperbolic, it's not unreasonable to assume that even making eye contact for too long might make him think you want to bone. Women learn quickly that unless we're actually attracted, it's best to act cold in our interactions with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 02:46 PM
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If you have regular sexual partners then you have more opportunities for them to evolve into an actual relationship. That's a fair assertion, I can't in good conscience disagree. Moreover, your comment is the exact strawman I'm talking about. Women aren't approaching men I choose my words very carefully. I said "can", not "do". Do you disagree that men aren't so thirsty that a woman cannot easily get sex if she approaches?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 02:37 PM
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My question for you though is: But it does require a certain amount of SEXUAL attraction for the man it's attached to, does it not? No, not really. I'm a self-avowed slut, and my penis fetish is likely the root cause of that sluttiness. Don't get me wrong, I won't have sex with a man I'm not attracted to, but if I'm comfortable enough to believe he won't try to force me into sex, I'd be happy to give him a handjob or blowjob.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 02:32 PM
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Women claiming that getting sex is easy, but getting into a relationship is difficult. At face value that's true. Most women can walk up to men, offer sex, and likely get it within a handful of tries. Finding someone suitable for a relationship is probably the same level of difficulty that men experience. They claim that there are dozens, even hundreds of men clamoring for their attention and "just sex". Yeah, women who say that are just mentally masturbating or humble-bragging. Even in the case…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 02:25 PM
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1) You can tell by the way she sucks your dick. Hit or miss. If she likes sucking dick then she'll like it regardless. If she doesn't and still sucks your dick, that's a way to tell that she's into you. Personally, I find the penis absolutely fascinating. I like playing with it, sucking it, and especially watching it ejaculate. My feelings about the guy it's attached to are irrelevant. ;) 2) You can tell by the way she kisses you. Yes. 3) You can tell by how she treats your cum (specifically in …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 02:14 PM
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Possibly. It depends on how she approaches the relationship. It's easy to get comfortable and lose the spark, especially with folks who don't realize that being in a relationship takes work. Unfortunately, a lot of people get complacent after going exclusive because they feel like they've "won" and don't need to put in any more effort or escalate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 02:05 PM
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True. Though oral is so ubiquitous I'd wager a lot of the women who say they don't do it actually do to please someone they love. They may not like it, but men like it, and sex is a compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 01:54 PM
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Not excitement like I WANT to see my GF with anyone else, but excitement that she’s clearly a catch - and she’s MY catch. It usually makes me want to be more intimate with her...kinda like, “take her back to my bed and make sure she knows how much I desire her and that she’s mine. All mine.” Not gonna lie, that's hot. :) As long as she knows that's how you feel, I think most women would be turned on by it. However, there's a very fine line between being attractively possessive and a possessive j…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 12:50 AM
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Would tattoos ever make you more or less likely to sleep with or LTR a guy? In general I don't really care if you have a tattoo. If you have a lot of tattoos it might give me pause, but probably just because of the stigma that tattoos still have. I recognize that this is a personal bias, and I try my best to look past it because I know (and know of) truly awesome guys that have lots of tattoos.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 12:08 AM
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The only one require stability to fuck is the avg men. I'm starting to think that TRP has a very distorted view of what constitutes an average man. Here's where you position crumbles... My position doesn't depend on the mythical Chad nor is it so reductive that all but one relevant variable is completely ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 03:09 PM
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It's also quite funny how TRP folks see "stable life" but hear "gold digger wants to leech off his money/resources".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 02:50 PM
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You should have specified "sexual value". How so? As much as I like pretty fit women I also need that they are smart, interesting, and that they can hold a conversation on something more than celebrities and "fashion"; but that's me. Yeah. One dimensional dates are boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 05:26 AM
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Alas, if with your statement you mean "while she's young" I think it would be insulting to a woman or all women; a person - woman or man - is a lot more than just young age or physical beauty or their success in mating/relationships/sex/and_the_like. Indeed. Imagine the freak-out that would occur if a woman asked "If a man only has value when he's older, shouldn't he STFU and accept not having sex until that time?" ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:52 AM
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How can you tell whether or not a woman is interested? She's engaged. A woman who isn't interested will be distracted, limit conversation, avoid eye contact, and have closed body movement with minimal physical contact. She might also try to move into a safer location if she feels unsafe. This isn't unique to women; I'd suggest looking into YouTube videos on body language. Do women have to be initially attracted to you in order to consider dating you or can attraction build over time? For instanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:30 AM
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I recognize and appreciate that you see it as a risk. Most folks who are any kind of RP don't seem to understand that marrying young is a gamble (for both parties).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 03:44 AM
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So, rather than post a position that "isn't in good faith" I'm going to frame these as absurd hypotheticals. Be aware that your questions still seem to not be in good faith as you're probably aware that these peer reviewed studies don't exist. All but question #2 break a number of ethical rules in science that have been in place for about 80 years. And for #2, I'm guessing you either didn't look for studies on fashion in general or were looking for studies focused on "how do I get secks with clo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 01:24 AM
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I took care not to say that geeks can't be masculine, because that would be a false statement. As for the guy, he looks like a Photoshop of all the traits TRP thinks women swoon over (except for a wallet bursting with $100 bills prominently displayed).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 06:53 PM
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I'm answering the questions as asked, not trying to make arguments against your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 06:13 PM
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Thank you for your concern, but my self esteem is just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 06:09 PM
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Yes, I would and I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 06:08 PM
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Noting that it can't be random because most of those pics are models with geek glasses, this one caught my eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 01:51 PM
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I can only speak for myself on this one. While "masculine" features are certainly nice to look at, my type is the geeks, and they trend toward not being overly masculine. As for why, probably due to shared interests. "Manly" men tend to have nothing in common with me, so they're only good for looking and sex; I can't imagine being in any sort of long term relationship where with the geeky guy I absolutely can.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 01:00 PM
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It's a weird and cringy film about two women who are friends and each have a son. When the sons are in their late teens they develop a relationship with each other's mother. Sounds like the setup for a porno. I think that if a teen boy is fine with having a relationship with an older women, then just why not? It's totally up to them and none of my business. However, one can question the motives behind it. Is there an unhealthy fetish going on? Is one of them being exploited or coerced? Most peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 12:36 PM
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The best circumstance is one where women respect men, and men earn that respect. Agreed. Perhaps men are not doing enough to earn women's respect today, perhaps women are not respecting men of merit because they've developed a skewed view of what constitutes a man's worth. That's a very valid hypothesis. I think a lot of the current TRP, FDS (from what I've heard, haven't looked into it), feminism, men's rights, MGTOW, etc fall into the trap of seeing the opposite sex as "the enemy™" and lose re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 02:26 AM
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How true do you think this statement is? Probably more true than not. Guys who see you as "out of their league", especially in the last half-decade or so, tend to assume you have malicious intentions when you go for them. I have a similar problem because my "type" is geeky introverts. They never approach me, so I have to do the approaching, and initially you can see the suspicion in their eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 02:17 AM
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We're aware of that, just as much as we're aware that men want to fuck hot women and only hot women if they can. What surprises me is lack of awareness from some men that snowballs into weird and convoluted "theories" about female nature (and vice versa, of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 05:13 PM
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Good sex is when both parties are into it, so I'd say it's very important. Btw would you rather have sex that was great for you but he cant come and eventually stops being hard, or have sex that was unforgettable for him but you couldnt come (however it doesnt involve anything bad for you or stuff you wouldnt do)? Given that choice, I'd choose the latter. I don't need to orgasm for sex to be good, but guys do. If he can't orgasm or loses his boner unnaturally fast, that's basically a no-go for s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 05:07 PM
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However, in reality, it’s only a small portion of men that have that kind of a sex drive and capability. That's very true. The majority of guys in my sample set had trouble with once a day for an extended period. A few times a week seems to be the most common sweet spot. Which makes sense because "normal" guys need time to reload and build up the desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 01:57 PM
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If you are gonna meetup with someone you are (potentially)interested in, do you refer to it as a date. I really couldn't care less what it's called. Though things tend to get awkward when one of us thinks it's a "date" and the other doesn't. Lots less resistance and you are not framing the situation as dating, where the guy is meant to spend loads of money and be on a performance. It would be much appreciated if men stopped thinking that dating is a performance. Non-shitty women don't expect him…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:21 PM
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They sound like raging cunts. Ignore and move on, people like that deserve no spot in your head-space.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 04:14 PM
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That's kind of a non sequitur. If it's normal for you, it's normal. I'd be perfectly happy having sex for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and snacks. But everyone is different, so there's no such thing as "normal" when it comes to sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 03:19 PM
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Sorry, but if he thinks you're a whore for having a healthy sex drive, he's not a keeper. That attitude suggests deeper issues that will likely affect the relationship elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 02:57 PM
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I can empathize because I'm in the same boat. It's hard to find a man that can consistently keep up with my libido. The problem is those guys usually aren't out and about for the taking, they're at home jerking off. ;) I don't want to just tell a person right off the bat that I wanna cum 3 times a day. Yet that's the best thing you can do. Maybe not immediately, but definitely somewhere on the first or second date would be my recommendation. I've found that on top of managing expectations and id…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 01:51 PM
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My first question is were you a lot stricter about a guy's looks when you were young, say late teens to early 20s? Not really. I think I had a good handle on my preferences in my mid-teens, and that hasn't much changed. is it reasonable of him to be upset if now the older version of you would date him? I get the impression this is the real question. He's free to feel what he feels, of course. However, it would be unreasonable for him to expect that neither of them have changed and grown over the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 01:22 AM
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What are your plans for the immediate future? In terms of PPD, porn and toys. I haven't been sick in about a decade and have no desire to end that streak. In terms of regular life, I work from home, generally dislike prolonged interactions with people, and always have plenty of necessities on hand. Several weeks of complete isolation is no biggie.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 01:04 AM
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Is not possible for her to just want that dick? Not only possible, but probable. "Chad" dick is the big reason. Secondary reasons would be he's often well connected and fun times ensue between sexy times. I don't know a woman who's dumb enough to expect "Chad" will ever marry her, though to be fair, I was never good at hanging around dumb people. Can she not be blowing him because she wants to know how he tastes? He tastes like penis and whatever he's eaten for the last few days, just like every…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 12:25 AM
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but i am generalizing Yes, but when it comes to dating I wouldn't say you're wrong, unless you include breakups. Women do indeed tend to be the catcher while men are the pitcher. I advocate going for what you want, and while I can't confidently say it's fear of rejection, women don't much take to the pitcher role. I also need more information XD lmao. I'll go out on a limb and say you dodged a bullet. There's a fine line between being playful and being vague. The vague types tend not to be who I…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 12:12 AM
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I never said that you need to approach just be a bit more clear Nor did I. "Approach (n): a way of dealing with something". i have been told that women focus on how the message is given and men focus on the content Yeah, I can see that. I won't say that men are oblivious to tone and body language, but I definitely see a difference in recognition of such between men and women. i just didnt picked the hint but apparently the girl was giving me hints, she didnt even mention something related to dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 11:31 PM
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However if you dont make more clear hints, i simply dont ask out, if you were interested you will give me something more clear. Cool story bro. I've tried the "more clear" approach, and it's counter-productive. Men bitch about our "hints", but turn around and are suspicious or confused when we're direct. It's a no-win scenario. I think women dont realize how rejection is hard to deal sometimes. Because women are never rejected for anything, apparently. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 10:57 PM
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Men in general. Regardless of my attraction to him, the fact that he's attracted to me is validating and feels good. If I am attracted to him, his attention hits a lot harder though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:32 PM
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Interesting. May I ask why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:28 PM
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Totally. Both men and women tend to be fake on the first date, and often subsequent dates. It's not unreasonable to assume that women withhold sex for the first few dates to get through the "fakeness", and I can't reject that hypothesis at all. But in my experience, both men and women get what they want more quickly by being forthright as soon as they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:26 PM
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Fair 'nuff. It was an unfair leading question and I kind of feel bad now. It seems like we both approach this sub in the same way: fully open, call it like you see it, and avoid echo chambers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:20 PM
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If there's any hint of a yes, asking won't hurt, just keep it classy. At worst you'll get a hard "no" and need to disengage in an equally classy way. In your example exchange, she didn't give you a "yes", she gave you a "hell yes!".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:10 PM
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He has a right to want a physical relationship, and he has a right to approve or disapprove of the pace. He does not OWE her a certain pace or conditions. Both people have the right to set limits and boundaries, and both have the right to decline. So much yes. Initial dating is determining if both of your needs, wants, and goals mesh for a relationship. If there's insufficient mesh, bail the fuck out. But it's important to actually talk about those things so there's no question about whether a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 06:59 PM
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I strive to be 100% honest on reddit, no topic is taboo. It's actually quite refreshing that I can be myself without any concern that it will negatively affect my life. That said, I'll honestly ask if my answer sounds honest because it makes sense, or because it fits your worldview? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 06:29 PM
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Erm, I hate to break it to you, but you being oblivious doesn't mean she wasn't being obvious. ;) As mentioned in another response, women tend not to bring up sex in conversation because it's a nuclear way to say "I'm DTF if you are" without actually saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 06:25 PM
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Male attention is validating; anyone who says otherwise is lying. However, validation isn't the goal of dating, the goal is to find a suitable mate and partner. In the pursuit of that goal, validation is at best a start and at worst completely pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 06:16 PM
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True. I avoid makeup like the plague unless I'm going to a dressy event, so my skill in applying it is quite limited. Even the basics take 15-20 minutes to get right for me, so it starts with me getting pissed off, goes downhill as I constantly check it, and culminates with rage as I remove it. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 06:07 PM
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A man telling you that you look good without make up is him trying to say "don't waste your time with that crap", but failing to do so. I can imagine a woman taking offense at it, unfortunately. I personally understand the sentiment and appreciate it, but it lacks a smoothness that really hits the feels for a proper compliment. And yeah, there's definitely a disconnect. Men tend to say what they think in the most direct way possible. It can be hit or miss, to be fair. I generally like the direct…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 06:00 PM
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saying a girl looked good without makeup was bad and would literally never yield good results. It might be the wording. "You look good without makeup" wouldn't do anything for me. "You look awesome, do you do your own makeup" when I'm not wearing any? Not gonna lie that such a line has earned a place in my bed before. ;) Do women just prefer not to admit that they don't enjoy wearing makeup? Probably. The ideal is to be gorgeous without effort. Complaining about the effort of makeup defeats that…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 05:25 PM
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Self expression and because it's fun would be the minority. Most of us will grudgingly wear makeup to meet social standards, attract potential partners, and to be "hotter" than the women around us, in that order. Makeup is a pain in the ass. It's uncomfortable, difficult to put on, difficult to manage while on, and annoying to remove.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 04:49 PM
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Unless all she wants is money. I can't in good conscience say that this doesn't happen. The gold digger stereotype exists for a reason, after all. Which is the majority reason why women date. It isn't for the sex. It's for the money. Believe what you want. For some reason I don't expect anything I say will change your mind or even plant seeds of doubt. ;) Why would that kill an LTR? In practice, it doesn't, at least in my experience. We were taught a lie. I explained the reason why most women wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 02:15 PM
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I think we'll need to split this between pursuing men/women and actually dating. For the former, I'd say schedule your time on the beat, much like you'd schedule gym time such that it's effective without being overwhelming. Additionally, be aware of opportunities, but don't actively seek them out beyond the schedule. For men, the second part is especially helpful because aloof yet aware dudes have an air of attractiveness. For the latter, definitely discuss your work and personal goals beyond th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 02:02 PM
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The super duper female secret for the vast majority is this: The woman does find you attractive, otherwise she wouldn't waste her time with you. However, because she was taught that putting out too easily kills any chance for a LTR, she holds back her desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 01:38 PM
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All i can tell you is that good men don't commit to slut. That's often said, but doesn't fit my experience. Marriages and divorces among my slut friends are roughly equivalent to my non-slut friends. The distribution of good men versus not so good men, in my opinion, is also about the same. Granted that's a small sample set in a localized area, but it's a touch of empirical evidence that being a slut doesn't necessarily affect commitment as a sole variable. Because of this, slut end up miserable…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 01:48 PM
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Yeah, it sounds like a great way to ostracize yourself from your family and lose your female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 01:35 PM
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It is only bad when women do it because the most miserable of them always have a very active sex life while the ones who arent promiscuous seem happier. The science on that is inconclusive, though I'd speculate that a not insignificant number of women turn to sex as an attempted catharsis for already being unhappy. So sex isn't the cause of unhappiness in those cases, it's a symptom.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 01:31 PM
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It’s deemed bad behavior because humans generally want LTR’s at some point in their lives. This seems like a contradiction of your other arguments. It's bad behavior, but only for women, because humans generally want LTRs at some point? Last I checked, men are human too, yet you don't seem to be saying men's promiscuity is bad behavior, unless I missed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 01:11 PM
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Slut shaming is necessary because the more bodies she adds to her belt, the less desirable she is to high value men. So women and men all agree to slut shame for her benefit? Sorry, I find that impossible to believe. Women slut shame because they generally don't want to become sluts to compete. Men like sluts because they're an easy lay. Even if you're considering a LTR, it's first come first serve, and sluts trend toward getting the first in. Women who aren't sluts feel threatened by that. It h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 12:36 PM
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Don't hide it, chess is awesome. Baduk is better, but anyone who looks down on you for enjoying strategic board games isn't someone you want in your life. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 10:05 PM
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The D is another matter entirely. The pumpkin simply has no effect on my yea or nay for the D. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 10:03 PM
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Believe what you want, I get the impression nothing I say will change your mind. I just answered the question honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 10:02 PM
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Chubbier guys can be attractive too. I like a wide range of heights and widths. ;) I'll be rooting for you in your weight loss, but make sure you're doing it for sustainable reasons. I don't lift, exercise, and eat right to look better for men, that's just a convenient side effect. I legit enjoy lifting, reluctantly do cardio for health reasons, and love to cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 08:13 PM
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"Dad bod" is a relatively new term for "skinny fat". A solid example (to me at least) gleaned from Google image search would be the left side of this: https://ironandtweed.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/before-trt-transformation-skinny-fat.jpg.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 07:50 PM
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Yes and no. While I'll acknowledge a skill or achievement, it's only attractive if that skill or achievement interests me. Let's take your examples: Black belt: Kind of meh because it's fairly common, but interesting enough (because I enjoy martial arts) to add to his attractiveness. Local chess champion: Definite bump in attractiveness, mostly because I also play chess. Growing big pumpkins: Zero interest, so no difference in attraction. Climbed El Capitan: Huge boost in attraction. I also rock…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 07:21 PM
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Totes fair. You do you. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 06:46 PM
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I mean they neither wantonly stuff themselves with food and turn into blobs nor spend excessive time in the gym and have a spreadsheet of calories/macros. I can respect a man who's not so vain that he finds balance between health and enjoying life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 05:58 PM
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How is that hard to believe? Soft enough to snuggle, hard enough to feel, and suggestive of a non-extreme lifestyle. Dad bods are attractive to a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 05:51 PM
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If I want to be with him for more than just sex and he feels the same way (eg. we enjoy each other's company), he's a relationship guy. Otherwise he's a good time guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 03:10 PM
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First time was of course not like porn The only sex that's like porn is porn. ;) My last ex tried to have sex with me by just trying to ram it in...0 consideration for me so never worked lol. Ouch. Instant nope. I've had guys try that, and barring the virgins who just needed a bit of education, every one got kicked out immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 05:39 PM
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But I also realise the male sex drive is very different, this guy has gone from masturbating 8 times a day to sex maybe every other day lol. Honestly, your libidos don't seem too far off. He's clearly on the higher end, so I'd recommend being cool with him continuing to masturbate. Even if you don't want to have sex, that's still an opportunity to be masturbation material. :) I can almost guarantee that giving him a show while he tugs the snake will blow his mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 05:33 PM
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You mentioned a desire for experience. I'm in an excellent position to comment on that as I'm most certainly a slut, and have been since high school. Sexual experience is largely irrelevant when it comes to multiple partners until you reach numbers where you'd be ostracized by polite society. The best sex is between folks who know each other well and balance their pleasure so that it's equally good from start to finish for both. Romance is the same way. While a fling can be exciting and fun, bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 05:21 PM
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What's equity? And how's that different from equality? Equity is fairness and impartiality, essentially the concept of equal opportunity to succeed. Equality is a state of being the same, that is everyone gets the same equal share of all the things. Equality all around, with no fine prints, no exceptions to the rule. One measure for all. Same rules apply to everyone and everyone. Gotcha. While my first answer remains (I want equity), I'm a bit pessimistic in that I don't believe it will happen a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 04:14 PM
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Just acknowledging that the male role has some downsides as well as some upsides, and that in particular in the social/sexual sphere women have some advantages would be great. Yes, that would be great. I find it unfortunate that so many people can't comprehend that it's totally possible to address women's issues without completely ignoring men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 04:09 PM
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Do you really want 100% equality across the board? No, but I want equity. Do you really believe in 100% equality across the board? I'm not sure I understand the question, could you clarify? If you were to suddenly be come Emperor and God at the same time [in charge of change, and with the appropriate powers], what changes would you implement? I'd abdicate. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 04:01 PM
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Oh yeah, it definitely got dialed to 11 as sub refugees migrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 03:56 PM
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That's all you're seeing, incels everywhere. I saw the same thing before the incel subs were shut down. Reddit in general is a garbage dump. No disagreement there. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:57 PM
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In my opinion the red pill is where men stop seeing themselves as less, and increase their self worth. That's a healthy and good opinion. Keep on keeping on. :) But for some reason people keep labeling it as toxic, and there's alot of hatred against it. Yeah, because your opinion of the red pill (which I agree with) is very different from how the red pill communities present themselves. I don't want to assume, but it seems like you adopted the early core concepts of the red pill (which boil down…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 04:58 AM
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Ah, yes. I figured that's what you wanted to know, but felt the need to check. ;) A tome follows, because while I try to live with the attitude of no regrets, this is one of the few times where I border on having a regret. So let's set the stage. Guy #1 who I was dating was a fit outdoorsy type. We met through mutual friends and he "got" me with quite legit romance (damn that dude could woo a woman) even though I was well aware that our lifestyles didn't mesh. He "kept" me, at least as long as i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 04:35 AM
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I'm happy to elaborate. Which part were you interested in?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 03:25 AM
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I can't say I've been more attracted to a guy who's attached than one who isn't. I do have a counter-example though. I was dating a guy several years ago and found myself more attracted to his single roommate. That relationship ended up being more about great sex than anything, so it ended after around a year. Since the two guys were close friends, I joked that if it didn't work out with one, I'd pursue the other. In hindsight, I wish I had.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 03:05 AM
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but you cannot grasp that Thanks for the patronizing end. I see you have zero interest in a debate, so good day to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:38 AM
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I noticed a few women say that it must be awful to be an average male and they're really glad to be female. I'd agree with that. The only significant benefit of being male that I can think of at the moment is not having to deal with a menstrual cycle. do any women feel sorry or sympathetic for the average male? I do. Though being as honest as possible, I'll admit that the sympathy only lasts as long as I'm actively thinking about it, then I get on with my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:36 AM
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Just throwing it out there that TRP and MGTOW are not the same thing. Also, it helps your credibility to get the plural and singular forms correct, especially in a thread tagged as "debate". ;) But, moving on! It's not attacking women TRP or MGTOW, I find that difficult to believe. Sure, the core concepts aren't about attacking women, but you'd need to be obscenely obtuse to not see that both communities spend a lot of time doing exactly that. It's a wonderful life walking away, not harming anyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:26 AM
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That is what happened to me, I am not saying am NOT TOTALLY AT fault.. Regardless of whose fault it was, ghosting isn't cool. I'd be a liar if I said I haven't ghosted, but it's always been unintentional and I felt like shit about it. You have my sympathy, and my apologies if it was ever me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 07:54 PM
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So you expect a guy to be super loyal after 2 dates I don't recall saying that. What I recall saying is that when I'm seriously dating I won't date anyone else or sleep around, but I don't expect the same from the guy until we agree on exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 07:49 PM
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If the woman shows, cool. If not, I will do it anyway. That's a healthy approach, and I do the same. A number of times guys have wanted to meet for coffee (totally fair, but usually Starbucks), and I'd suggest a similarly priced cafe in the same area that I wanted to go to but hadn't found the time. Of course if its netflix and chill, it dosn't really help. You still get the Netflix part though. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 07:46 PM
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But what if you had some HISTORY, some kind of intimacy and especially if you didnt show any sign of disinterst quite the contrary. You're describing a case where I'm either still interested or invested enough to not forget about staying in contact. And why would you ghost if you PROMISED to show up? I wouldn't. I keep my promises.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 07:39 PM
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Yeah, it's happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 07:34 PM
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What are the possible reasons for it? Every time I've done the ghosting: I wasn't interested anymore, got distracted with other things, later remembered that we hadn't been in contact for a while, and said "meh, it's been so long there's no point connecting again just to call it quits".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 07:02 PM
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Female, purple, 30s. I would be bothered, because I don't believe in dating multiple men at the same time or sleeping around when seriously dating (ie. second date forward). However, I wouldn't hold it against him since I can't reasonably expect him to hold the same values.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 05:44 PM
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I can only imagine that working on supremely insecure women who are starved for attention. If a man does this to me, I'll assume he's done in terms of a relationship but still wants sex. Even if he's hot and good in bed, I'll still nope out of the situation on principle alone. So yeah, breadcrumbing seems like it would fit perfectly in the clusterfuck of RP ideas. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 05:09 PM
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Agreed. Social equity is a noble cause, social equality is impossible and stupid. The big problem with these movements is they intentionally or unintentionally bait and switch between equity and equality. And of course, power corrupts. As a movement gains more power and control, it tends to mutate into pushing for more power and control.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:58 PM
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I'd never heard of it. But given the provided definition, I'm curious what the goal of this tactic is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:02 PM
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Given that I've already found fulfillment in myself and could be described as a misanthrope, I'd probably choose the harem. Though I like that you made the choice difficult, because both options are very appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 03:45 PM
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What n-count are you personally comfortable with for a man you’d LTR? I couldn't care less. Worrying about N count just adds unnecessary stress and trust issues. That's the seed for a shitty relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 03:37 PM
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A woman who settles with a short guy for emotional reasons never sexually desired him to begin with. So I was correct in assuming you'd go with a hasty generalization fallacy even after explicitly pointing it out. For a sub with "debate" in the name, debate skills are rather wanting. :P That said, how is your mom's friend different from some random guy who realizes he cant have <insert supermodel here> and settles for some random girl thinking "eh, good enough", then goes out with the boys and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 11:45 PM
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Bond meaning two people are emotionally attracted. Against my better judgment, because I think you're being intellectually dishonest, I'll bite. Let's roll back to my original question now that I understand what you mean by a bond: Feyra: If a man has bonded with a woman and she gains a few pounds, will he leave her the instant he gets a better offer? And your answer was: SupremeMystique: That man still sexually desires her. Assuming your omniscient statement is correct, why do you think a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 11:03 PM
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A lot of women bond through emotional attraction but don't sexually desire their husband much though. Am I wrong? I won't say you're wrong, because we clearly have a different understanding of "bond". Please define what it means to you for the purpose of this discussion. But a lot of women do say this. And a lot of men do as well. Again, what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 10:43 PM
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That man still sexually desires her. Yet apparently you think a corresponding situation with the sexes reversed would be different. You said bonded, therefore the woman was already sexually attracted, otherwise no bond would have occurred in the first place. And yes, there are exceptions. But since we're talking about women in general, I won't allow a hasty generalization fallacy. You said it's all or nothng but think about it. Not quite. You implied it's all or nothing, and I'm clarifying if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 06:04 PM
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What's with the all or nothing mindset? Looks matter, but they're not everything. Besides, I answered the question as asked, which clearly stated the woman has bonded with the man. If a man has bonded with a woman and she gains a few pounds, will he leave her the instant he gets a better offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 05:16 PM
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Do men even see women at all? Like, really see them? If they're attracted to said women, it probably falls under two categories: They're not well acquainted: he couldn't care less about her, just how her body titillates him. They're well acquainted: he does see her, but only as secondary to her body. How can you respect someone who essentially sees you as a masturbation aide? That comes off as a rather narcissistic statement. How a man sees me has nothing to do with whether I can respect him. Ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 01:50 PM
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has anybody managed to strike up a conversation and ask you out in a short time frame in public? Yes, of course. what was it that made them succeed (or fail)? Pickup artists almost always fail unless they're unusually not cringy and I'm feeling whimsical enough to throw them a bone for trying. For "normal" guys, yes, looks do matter, though I don't expect them to be male models or anything unreasonable. The biggest successes have been guys who were able to read the room. If you're in a position …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 12:53 PM
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Yes, of course. I fail to see how that isn't obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 11:51 AM
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I think you may be conflating not being visually aroused at all, and being less visually aroused than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 01:45 PM
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Honestly, that would be a deal-breaker for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 03:19 PM
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While I agree, where did anyone bring up being pushy about the second date?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 01:09 AM
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does it matter whether he's gone for good or just currently unavailable without potentially taking a woman who shares your aspirations off the market? I don't think so. I could be wrong, of course, but with the numbers involved I tend to be unconcerned. is wishful thinking and an example of sour grapes That's entirely possible, I can't in good conscience deny it. What I haven't mentioned thus far is I've been in a position to directly comment on this as I have experience being the "hoe". The guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 10:08 PM
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which means your initial statement that being an asshole is objectively immoral is incorrect then. I don't recall saying it was objectively immoral. You'll have a hard time catching me being inconsistent in my arguments, my friend. ;) Also if you think humans believe killing is wrong well then you might want to take a look at history. I'm quite familiar with history, and killing definitely falls under immoral across the board. Don't forget the caveat: "within our group". I have difficulty recall…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 09:08 PM
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A lot of women will read a bill split as a date gone wrong/not good enough. Is there some truth to this? Yes, definitely. I go into a date expecting to pay my part, but if the guy immediately wants to go dutch I'll think a second date won't happen until/unless we start talking about "next time". Making plans for the second date on the first date is very important, because the "I'll call you" routine pretty much always means "later bitch, byeeee!".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 08:43 PM
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The point is that since people have come up with widely-varying definitions of morality, that there cannot be any objective measure of morality. I agree and disagree. I agree that objective morality is bullshit, it's relative. But I disagree that definitions are widely varying. The differences tend to be more in the nuances. Killing and stealing is wrong, for example. Just about everyone agrees with that, and the only difference between cultures seems to be an added caveat of "but just within ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 08:34 PM
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I can't imagine that (men being taken by hoes) being a significant enough number to be noticeable even if you make the unreasonable assumption that he's off the market forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 08:28 PM
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because that definition of "morality" varies widely based on time and place in history. Yes. Not to be dismissive, because I'm enjoying this conversation and you've made thought-provoking comments, but what's your point? I'm leaning toward us feeling the same way about morality. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 08:21 PM
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If collective consensus is the only way to determine morality, would then you agree that at one point, things like slavery and marital rape were moral? Yes, of course. I might argue that those specific things weren't necessarily moral, just not explicitly viewed as immoral. It's not hard to see that there's a large gray area where you have moral (good actions), immoral (bad actions), and just meh (normal actions). Edit: Sorry, I failed to respond to the second part. That follows. Also lying has …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 08:11 PM
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So maybe you should not assume that everyone is exactly like you. I don't assume that, but your advice is appreciated. I'll try harder to incorporate all perspectives in my posts without writing a tome, though I'll also request understanding that covering all the things in few words is incredibly difficult. No, it's not. I'm afraid we disagree then, and I doubt we'll change each others' mind. That only works if you believe in some all-powerful arbiter of morality, which does not exist. That's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 07:56 PM
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Not really. The type of man who's drawn to "hoes" isn't the type of man that non-"hoe" women want to lock down.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 07:40 PM
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I haven't decided when I've just met her whether I want to fuck her or not. That's fair. I don't understand because I'll decide immediately whether sex is on the table upon meeting a man, but I recognize that everyone is different. :) In any case, lying to get what you want isn't immoral, either. Erm, lying to get what you want is a prime example of immorality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 07:32 PM
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What does asexual demeanor even look like? I have no idea. I'd speculate that it looks like any dude just going about his business and not ogling women passing by or hitting on randoms (ie. damn near every normal adult outside of the usual networking situations).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 07:25 PM
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Your whole premise is that getting to know a woman before trying to fuck her is somehow immoral. And that's why I interpreted your response as being disingenuous. Since that interpretation was incorrect, I'll happily apologize. However, please read my post again. I gave two extreme examples (ie. legitimate friendship and duplicity) as an answer to the question of whether a man and a woman can simply be friends. The answer is yes, and the followup to that answer is if you want to fuck, make it cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 07:14 PM
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Sure men assault women far more than the rate at which women assault men. I find that hard to believe. More likely is that women's assaults on men aren't taken seriously. Woman slaps a man? That's fucking assault! But the majority just find it funny or assume he deserved it. Men assaulting women is relatively rare, but when it happens everyone freaks out. Only idiots will compare the sexual assault rates on genders because most women will go down in a single serious hit. I hate this stereotype. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:20 PM
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Who provides for you before you settle down, without you having to take shitty jobs or investing in a career? Only an idiot doesn't have at least one backup plan. ;) For me personally, I turned my hobby of computer programming into a career, and I maintain options for the unlikely case where I lose my job. If I ever land a guy who's down with a stay at home wife, I'll still be able to maintain my skills, write code for fun, and tutor budding programmers, because I do that anyway in my free time.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:06 PM
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Do you believe it's good advice to give to people? Yes. If you're not able to be content alone, adding another person's emotional baggage to the mix is counter-productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:54 PM
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I want to know, from the women’s side, if there’s any truth to this idea. There's some truth to it, if I'm being honest. But it's more of a fantasy than anything: "ooh, he's a MAN's man, give me your spermies tough guy". I don't know any women who would act on that fantasy though. I'd liken this to rape porn. Rape porn can be very hot, but just because we might consume it that doesn't mean we want to be raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:36 PM
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Oh, I'm very open about expectations as early as possible. Despite the stereotype, guys want children. I can't offer that without surgery, IVF, adoption, or a surrogate. None of those appeal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 03:34 PM
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While there are size queens, they're in the vast minority. Average dicks are average for a reason: they're comfortable and hit the necessary places. Overly long dicks punch the cervix, which is often painful. Overly girthy dicks increase the chances of a vaginal tear without copious amounts of lube.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 03:25 PM
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That lifestyle definitely has its charm. Cleaning is relaxing/fun, and I've also been the gourmet of my relationships where cooking is one of my bigger hobbies. So being a stay at home wife is appealing. The problem for me is I haven't found a man who also wants that dynamic, makes enough money to support that dynamic, and is okay with never having children with me (because I'm sterile). The last point is usually the deal-breaker for a traditional relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 03:15 PM
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Good job being disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 01:27 PM
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Yeah, that's the question: how likely is it that he is already bombarded with "better free pussy I legit don't know. Though I suspect from experience that it's not so much he'd refuse. Again, just from my life, the super popular girls didn't put out much and more average girls can easily get the D. You mean whether he is a casual kind of guy in the first place...? Because, if not, it's just a question of how attracted ("open"?) he is to the women in question? It depends on the time frame. Very r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 03:02 AM
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As mentioned, it's more nuanced. The key is "if he's open to it". When it comes to average women and "alpha" guys, the alpha guy is unlikely to turn down free pussy unless he's got better free pussy or is solidly taken, but otherwise he'll hit it with no complaint. I'll admit that I've been a side girl for dick, and it's important to recognize that the goal is dick and dick alone. Girls who start with dick and want more will probably be disappointed. I'm largely thinking of a high school or coll…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 01:15 AM
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Is it also trivial to get a long-term fuck buddy of the type you described earlier, one of those ("alphas") who you suspect wouldn't commit to a long-term relationship? If he's open to it, yes. Though that particular case is more nuanced, in general the fuck buddy relationship is super easy to achieve for all but the lowest tier of women (eg. fat, ugly, clingy).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 10:44 PM
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Yeah, the "few milligrams" argument would make me cringe. I'm not sure that's a good example of your point because it's absolutely ridiculous to anyone who understands biochemistry. Additionally, we're not owned by our instincts and biological urges, so the whole example exchange is stupid. I'm not convinced that's a real argument, and if it is, I'd dismiss it as two idiots trying to be intellectual. Do you have another example where both sides have cogent arguments?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 10:32 PM
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-Due to female hypergamy and differences in sex drive, men tend to have sex with women uglier than themselves, while women tend to have sex with men better looking than themselves. Wat? Both sexes try to get the best they can, so pairings tend more to be equal than skewed in any direction. Men who pair with a significantly higher or lower woman are rare enough to be memes. -Men have to put in all the heavy work before sex: Making a woman comfortable, flirting, escalating, inviting her over, etc.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 10:18 PM
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For starters, women can't make a guy commit, it's entirely of his own volition. In the fuck buddy situation, I'd be very cautious letting it turn into a long term relationship given that the whole thing is centered around sex. Sex is an important component of a relationship, but not the core component. That said, my ideal mate is a best friend I want to bang, so it's not out of the question that I'll end up with one of my fuck buddies. But yes, a long term fuck buddy is almost trivial since dude…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 07:31 PM
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But let's not take agency away from women. Appreciated. :) Much like children choose candy over vegetables ....young women choose hot fuckboi Chad(candy) over your average loyal/quick to commit dude(vegetables). Because duh ...why even get mad at children choosing candy over vegetables? Adults can't even choose veggies over candy hence the prevalence of diabetes. Not sure if "women are dumb children" is any better than "women have no agency", to be fair... Wouldn't it make more sense for the ang…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 06:43 PM
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Ah, I understand now. Apologies for the misinterpretation. Yeah, mixed sex friendships do have the risk of reading too deeply and trying for a romantic relationship. I won't lie and say that I haven't wanted some of my friendships with guys going to that point, nor that it hasn't happened, but I can say that the ones that reached that point are currently "Facebook friends". So at least in my experience, men and women can be friends (I have several male friends right now), but as soon as it's tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 06:02 PM
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In theory I agree. In practice, one or the other tends to develop romantic feelings once sex is added to the equation and that negatively affects the friendship. As such, I tend to think of FWB as a fuck buddy rather than a friend "with benefits", because the benefits take control and override the friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 05:52 PM
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Oh, I've no delusion that any of my male friends would reject sexy times if I offered. My doubt is whether their friendship is dependent on that happening at some time in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 05:30 PM
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Full disclosure, I'm probably not the best to ask because I lean more toward preferring the nerdy types. That said, "alpha" to me is in good shape, popular, often loud and brash, very confident, and gets invited to or seeks out interesting activities. This type of guy is attractive because he looks good, I could enjoy the effects of his popularity, and there's promise that we'd do a lot of fun things together. However, it would always feel like he'd ditch me at the drop of a hat for the next bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 05:25 PM
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Apart from when I agree to be friends with a woman then they later want something. Aroo? I'm curious what you think friendship is, because in my experience there's a lot of give and take. I may want something such as a ride to the airport and I'll call a friend. Then they may want something and I'll reciprocate because it's the friendly thing to do. Women are just as decietful. Some women are deceitful, some men are deceitful. I lump those people into the term "asshole" and avoid them as best I …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 05:00 PM
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Feel free. :) I'm not sure how much I can help, but I'm willing to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 04:02 PM
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Dunno. Ask a woman. We're telling the truth. You guys make it so complicated by acting as friends when what you really want is sex or a romantic relationship. Go for what you want. If you want to be friends, we're down for that. But if you pretend you want to be friends as some convoluted plan to get into our panties, it probably won't turn out the way you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 03:55 PM
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That seems strange to me. I can entertain and even fantasize about having sex with my male friends without acting on it or hurting the friendship. It seems like you're conflating "finds attractive" with "only friends because he wants to bone". Edit: Oh, I should add that while a man can be friends with a woman, it's far more rare to have a female "bro". I try to be a "bro" where we can talk about anything, bash each other in good nature, and be the person you'd call to bail you out of jail at 2a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 03:47 PM
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What can a short man do? Dress sharply. I find it unfortunate that tailored suits are so rare, because they're hot as hell. How about a facially unattractive man? Beard up. A well-kept full beard is the epitome of manliness, in my opinion. If the unattractive facial features are under the beard, instant win. If they're not, the beard diverts attention from them. I dated a guy who had a mole on his chin that he was self-conscious about and suggested he grow out his beard. It turns out he had the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 03:28 PM
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Women are not visually or physically attracted to the male body. LOL, wrong. I can assure you that the vast majority of heterosexual women are highly attracted to the male body, love to see nude men, get off from the male form on the regular, and try their best to hide that fact because if men knew it we're concerned that rape porn will change from fantasy to reality. For me personally, I find the penis to be absolutely fascinating to the point I've made dudes uncomfortable looking at it and pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 02:56 PM
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Do you think the RedPill is right about women being "Hypergamous" especially women that have lots of options or with high SMV? As with most RP theories, there's a nugget of truth, but it gets extrapolated into psychotic extremes. Is it true that women would dumb a man if he shows any weakness? In general, no. If she's attracted to him, the most likely result of him showing the occasional weakness is she'll see it as endearing and that he trusts her enough to drop the stoic man facade. Always sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 02:31 PM
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It takes two to tango. If he wants something I hate and can't deal with it, we're not a good match. While it's an important component of sexual compatibility, I'll only go so far to please him, and I'd expect exactly the same in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 12:05 AM
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most dudes are NOT decent looking, at least on dating apps. Consider the context. On non-curated dating apps you're often looking at lazy men, extreme introverts, men with few or no options, and dudes looking to get their dick wet. It's entirely unreasonable to expect a fair representation of men in general. I've had good dates from dating apps, but they're overwhelmed by the flood of undesirables. The same goes for women. If a man is looking for a decent relationship on a dating app, he'll need…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 05:21 PM
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I have no idea what that means, but the intention seems clear. Good day to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:46 PM
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No, thank you. If you want either a debate or a CMV, we need to know your position. If you won't make your position clear, it's a strong indicator that you're not arguing in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:35 PM
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Please define your terms. "Special", "entitlement", "sexuality", these are so open to interpretation that you're unlikely to get more than requests to clarify and answers that don't fit what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 08:59 PM
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I don't think anyone on here is interested in a debate on logic fallacies. Erm, the sub is called PurplePillDebate, but as you wish. I'm wondering what your opinion is on the point we're discussing. I think the concept is ridiculous as stated, but interesting if nuance is considered. What would female sexuality be like in a world where women didn't feel like men valued them? How it presents depends on the power dynamic. Women would still want sex, but it would only be for self-gratification and …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 08:02 PM
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Iff you assume the former, then no, the latter is not logically possible. The problem is you haven't proven the former beyond an appeal to popularity, so the latter is a derivative logical fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 07:24 PM
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That's quite a leap into a thought experiment, and it rather depends on what you mean by "special". Can you define what you mean? I'm happy to take up that thought experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 07:11 PM
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There is a consensus among those willing to have an actual view on the SMP that a woman's sexuality is reactive I wouldn't say there's a consensus, but I'd agree that women's sexuality trends toward being reactive in the vast majority. that she must feel special to activate that sexuality "Special" is a very vague term. I'd say relaxed and comfortable (as relates to the partner in question) trump any feelings of being "special". Though to really nail down these feelings and the responses, I'd as…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 07:07 PM
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Amazingly, nobody is really able to articulate exactly WHY men and women think the way they do regarding this. I find that hard to believe, it's basic economics. Women: Why pay for something you can get for free? Men: Why pay more when you can pay less? /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 07:16 PM
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It's not that simple. Making a ton of money isn't as important as just being financially stable. If you make enough and manage it wisely enough to both live within your means and handle a relationship, that's sufficient for a woman in the same situation. I say the same situation because financial parity is a thing. Depending on our own situation, we'll either look for parity or an upgrade. Parity because folks at around the same earnings level are more likely to have the right chemistry, much li…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 02:12 PM
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So if a woman asks a man out, he will most likely play along and fake interest/signal smth more even if all he wants is just sex. Yeah, no. In my experience, the vast majority of guys either confusedly disconnect or assume some ulterior motive and bail. The approach tends to only work in situations where it's immediately obvious that both parties are actively looking for a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 01:58 PM
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I don’t understand why more people aren’t open to trying it. Have you been on the receiving end?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 06:01 PM
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I'd argue that those traits are very subjective when it comes to the pool of suitors for men, and falls under the attempt to create an algorithm for attraction. Taller: This strikes me as a tinderism. I've actually brought this up in "girl talk" before, and it's not about shit like anything less than 6' is invisible. Rather, it's relative height. "Taller" and "taller than me but not huge" are quite different. So if you just go with taller, there's a good chance that you're just moving the window…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:43 PM
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All women are doing in making these arguments is arguing that subjectivity exists, which isn't really an argument at all. It kind of is an argument, because it's most often used to counter guys who try to boil women's attraction down into an algorithm.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:12 PM
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So how do you feel when a guy who looks unattractive acts attractively? I tend to be attracted. Have you ever been "seduced" by a guy who wasn't a looker? Yes. Was making out/sex worse than it was with someone you're thought was hot? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. One of those guys was the best lay I've ever had. Which would your choose an attractive looking guy who behaves unattractively or an unattractive looking guy who behaves attractively? The latter, no doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 01:38 PM
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I didn’t add “an orgasm” because that can easily be done solo. Because sex and masturbation are totally equivalent. /s People choose to get that orgasm with another person because of the reasons above. Okay, let's see how those three "reasons" apply to me: Validation: I fail to see how anyone who's well-adjusted could gain any validation from casual sex. Casual sex is an enjoyable romp, nothing else. Thrill: Perhaps in the way that sex in general is (or should be) thrilling. Unless you win the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 01:27 PM
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Women want that man who is in control. To a certain extent. A man who knows what he's about, is confident and decisive, that's attractive, and we'll be encouraged to follow along. But a man who's controlling and patronizing, that's not attractive. The difference is in how he views himself versus how he views others. And from a man's perspective it means to treat her like a child who has to listen and follow his orders. That's quite a jump in logic, and it falls under the not attractive side of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:44 PM
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I've concluded that your CMV is poorly defined and you're not debating in good faith. As such, I'll no longer participate. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:58 PM
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I hate to tell you this, but you're sensing wrong. Being wrong doesn't bother me in the slightest. I know. Fair enough. I'll assume that your "thinking about his boner 24/7" statement was simply hyperbolic rather than the falling prey to stereotypes it suggests. With this new assumption, I'm now wondering what the problem is. Could you clarify exactly what you're expecting out of a boyfriend? You should probably tell that to the other people in this subreddit, not me. That would be rather nonsen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:33 PM
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I won't deny that I'm irrationally disgusted by men who partake in prostitution. Best I can tell, it's because in my entire life I can't think of a single instance when hookers or johns weren't portrayed in a very negative light. When I toss that feeling away and think about it objectively, there's virtually no difference between a man who visits hookers and a man who engages in casual sex[1]. Provided they're clean, I don't look down on men who had/have casual sex, so it would be logically inco…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 10:57 AM
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Meh, I've always interpreted it as a way to combine "improve yourself" with an effective suggestion of how. I'd be more concerned about the men who miss the point of "go lift", and assume there's a direct correlation between being jacked and vagina tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 10:33 AM
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I have guy friends [...] This was accomplished WITHOUT SEX. Well, I would certainly hope so. Im getting tired of being told that “I dont understand guys’ need for sex” None of my friends got the memo that they needed their dicks inside someone to care about that person. Of course they want sex. Never said that was the problem. Thing is: Their relationships weren’t/aren’t dependent on sex. So Im not seeing what’s the big deal about wanting a boyfriend who‘s not thinking with his boner 24/7. Pleas…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 10:25 AM
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Female, and I'd say very often. The only time I don't easily get horny would be those sucky few days of my cycle. Then it rages during my "fertile" stage to the point of discomfort. After that it's manageable unless I let my mind wander or see/hear something stimulating. I've been told I have the sex drive of a dude, and either masturbate or have sex at least once per day (barring the sucky days), so I suppose they're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:27 PM
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is penis size really that important for sex if you’re not tiny or too big? No, speaking for myself, of course. In the happy medium range, shape is more of a thing than size because the right shape can hit the right places. Outside of the happy medium range it's more of a challenge. Too small often isn't stimulating enough and you need to bring in hands or toys to keep up the sexual tension before it gets boring. Too big is often uncomfortable enough to kill the mood unless the guy is very carefu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 07:06 PM
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Which kind of leads me to believe that women's physical preference in men are probably much more malleable, and that they are more willing to redefine their standards for a guy they're emotionally attracted to. I'd say that's a fair statement, to an extent. I'm willing to overlook some physical flaws if I dig the guy's personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 06:41 PM
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Are any of you GENUINELY more interested in people who others would consider "badly out of shape"? "More interested", no. I prefer men who are at least reasonably in shape because it implies a reasonably healthy lifestyle. So I guess my preference is somewhere in the middle (hovering around the "Dad Bod", I suppose), because both overly fat and ripped strike me as unhealthy both for the individual and in a relationship. Overly fat: A poor relationship with food, lack of exercise, or health issue…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 04:43 PM
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No, I wouldn't consider FWB a waste of time, which is essentially what you described. But if you think such a relationship could tick all of those boxes and remain monogamous, I'd love to know what you're smoking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 05:50 PM
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This is good for me: younger girls in the dating pool. And easier to get a girl in front of you if she's not studying for some exam. I'm not convinced women should fight for your personally self-serving cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 05:43 PM
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Very well, I'll play that game. If your foundation values women only for sex, then I've already addressed that as a faulty premise. If it doesn't, please remove sex from your original argument and prove that your foundation is still solid. My counter-argument remains that the only way your argument stands is if women both don't enjoy sex and have no value other than a wet hole. Your move.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 09:19 PM
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So, do you believe that women don't enjoy sex? Because if you do, your argument is easily disproved by falsifying one of the premises. And if you don't, your argument is based on a false premise. Either way, the original argument is invalid because it stands on a nonsense foundation. You might want to review logic and debate tactics, because at this point you've completely failed to address my counter-argument by using a non sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 09:05 PM
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How many men will seriously date or marry a girl who doesn't give them sex? Approximately zero. What's your point? My point was that your argument is nonsensical because it depends on a nonsensical premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 08:28 PM
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"Pick me", using the phrasing of the OP, doesn't have to be strictly women attracting men. While this thread is concerning that situation, it's a far more general concept of validating yourself among others. I like being attractive. Makeup makes me more attractive. Therefore, I like makeup. Yup, that's my point exactly. Is mowing your lawn also pick me behavior? Yes. Pick me to your neighbors to think well of you. Pick me to HOA for an award or to be part of the in crowd who aren't hassled about…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 07:53 PM
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Your argument only follows if you accept the premise that women are only valuable for their sexuality and women don't enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 04:59 PM
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Blaming feminism for the destruction of the society (rephrased) Wut? Though the quoted statement is hyperbolic, the underlying thought is not unfair. I do believe that feminism has gone too far, but it causing the destruction of society is a silly notion. You speak against your own - ... doesn’t get along with women or she’d rather “hang out with the boys.” Kinda sorta. I have more male friends than female friends, and that's been the case as long as I can remember. It's probably a brain wiring …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 04:44 PM
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If male sexuality is predatory, do females enjoy being the prey? To a certain extent, yes. So do women want to be coerced and dominated into being loved and loving? No, that's a different matter entirely, and it's a smidge disturbing that you made such a connection. Think of the predator/prey relationship as a form of flirting, and that's what women enjoy. Coercion and domination, at least how I'm interpreting your use of those concepts, are terrifying and abhorrent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 03:44 PM
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So i liked you and thought you liked me but you turned me down when i asked you out. Only to tell me, years later, that you did infact like me That's the MO of a girl who wants to be "pursued", also known as playing hard to get. The smart ones grow out of it almost immediately when they see the guy they like with another girl after playing those games. As for the thought process, I favored being direct and honest, so I could only speculate what they're thinking. So you're on vacation and you tex…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 03:26 PM
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I don't entirely disagree, from a man's perspective. From a woman's perspective, while female sexuality is responsive to a certain extent, there's the matter of expectation. Men tend to expect women to take the passive role, and women tend to assume that role so as to be more appealing to men in general. So I guess it's a vicious cycle of expectations and responses to those expectations. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 06:03 PM
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Okay, I'll bite. I choose C. A marriage where I'm not attracted to my partner in any way is a no-go, and I'm assuming you mean entirely not attracted rather than just he's ugly but is otherwise a good dude. A polygamous marriage doesn't appeal to me, but the way you word it suggests lip service about "love" with the "benefit" of resources, and I'd otherwise be tossed aside like an obsolete laptop; no thanks. I'm totally okay on my own and have no desire for children. I don't need a man for some …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 04:13 PM
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I don’t think there’s one truth because I notice different women want different things or a mix of traits. Yup. End thread. :P seems lame to change what you are for the approval of another. Yes, yes it is. Personal change should come from inside desire rather than outside influences. If a woman doesn't like you for who you are, move on and find someone who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 01:46 PM
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As a redpill aware man You should understand of the concept of spinning plates, high n-count REEEEE, and such. Is it unreasonable to verify that a guy one likes isn't just trying to get his rocks off? What I want to know is what do women (who make men wait), have to offer that man, that a man, who could have sex with her on that first night, not be privileged to have or experience? I'm having trouble grokking this question. Rather than go the cheap route of asking if you think sex is the only th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:41 PM
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My question ladies both red and blue do you ever want to be approached at the gym? Ever? Sure. Always? Not really. It's not a simple question. ;) When I'm at the gym I want to focus on the workout, but it's unreasonable to expect zero interaction with the other gym goers. I also spend more time with the free weights, which is unusual for a woman at my gym, and I fully expect the guys there to at least be curious and want to talk. I also regularly request a spot and occasionally offer one. The ey…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 04:50 PM
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In your opinion, what makes a "real man"? In the given context, my opinion is to call foul. ;) Anyone talking about "real" men is doing little more than trying to shame men into doing things that are not in their best interest. It's easy to see, because with every "real men do/are XYZ", ask yourself what the man gets out of it. "Real man" is nothing more than a manipulation tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:44 PM
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How can they comfortably coexist? Women can grow thicker skin and men can reign in their visible thirst. There ya go, happy medium.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 01:59 PM
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Not at all. I had no unrealistic expectations of what it would be like, so I wasn't disappointed. I also believed (and still believe) that the concept of virginity being sacred or important in any way is silly. As such, I didn't "lose" anything with my first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 01:36 PM
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But that doesn’t give them anything actionable. The only legitimate actionable advice is, oddly enough, the same advice for women: stay in shape, mind your hygiene, and try to find someone with whom you have mutual attraction. Anything beyond that is mental masturbation. Guys ask “What should I do to get the girl?” And these are the answers women give even though they know this doesn’t work because they ignore the question they were asked and give the answer that benefits them by making them saf…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 06:10 PM
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Most men want women who are only submissive during sex. They want a woman who is easy to fuck, and has NO demands outside of the bedroom. They want a woman who they don't have to take care of outside of the bedroom. They're not willing to support a woman. So...they want a sex toy?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 04:02 PM
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But clearly it is the fault of the menfolk. Obviously. Kinda, yeah. If men are told that women like nice guys and those men somehow deduce that niceness is the biggest or even only attribute for attraction, it's their fault for being dumb. It's akin to women who are told men like pretty girls with big boobs, then eschew everything else to be pretty and have big boobs. They're equally dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:46 PM
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Assuming all else is equal for the sake of the question, I'd go with the shorter guy. I'm 5'3".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 03:56 PM
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don't be like these sexist pigs who just want sex [...] and you'll get a girl Believe it or not, we're often capable enough to identify guys who are only interested in getting their dicks wet. I don't care how perfectly you follow blue pill or red pill advice, if I sense "only wants sex", you're gonna fail unless that's all I wanted in the first place. I rather suspect that if his head goes error, he had some unreasonable expectation that women are machines where you can punch in the "right" val…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 04:34 PM
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If that happens, men have the right to be frustrated. Yes, yes they do, if that's what happened. It's a shame you neglected to clarify in the OP that you're talking about shitty and manipulative women rather than women in general. a lot of the "niceguys TM" are overdiagnosed. I agree. I have many problems with the "Nice Guy" label.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 01:16 PM
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Nice guys do exist. They're genuinely nice and let their actions speak for them. "Nice Guys" sell themselves as being nice, and that reeks of dishonesty. Further, if being nice is your best selling point, I'd wager most women will nope out of that opportunity post haste.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:39 PM
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Have you ever decided to dumb yourself to find a man? Yes. I consider it to be a somewhat unfortunate point in my adult emotional development where I perceived men to be threatened by my ability to compete in their arenas (eg. gaming, technology, science). Honestly I can't say whether I changed my mind on the perceived "intellectual threat" I put off or simply stopped caring. If yes, how did it make you feel? It made me feel like a deceptive piece of shit. These days if a guy is turned off by me…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 08:15 PM
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5 figure income per month. I'd be quite curious what exactly you do for a 5 figure income per month with promise of 6 in the near future. That claim alone is a red flag when also claiming no college degree at 26, self-employed or not. I was talking to a girl I matched on a dating app. The moment I told her I hadn't finished my degree, she stopped replying to me. If that was the reason, you lucked out. Anyone who requires a college degree to prove education or intelligence for a relationship is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 06:30 PM
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I notice you've still failed to define what you mean by "aggressive". Please do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 12:48 AM
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Why not embrace being weird and instead be very aggressive when hitting on any woman that gives a slight amount of bloodflow to your dick. It's a win win; if you get rejected you ruin her day (how dare this ugly autist think he has a chance with ME), she starts feeling as if she's getting uglier. If you get accepted well boo yah. Sorry, but you need to be far more clear on what you mean by "aggressive". If I were to think the worst, I have a can of pepper spray, a holdout pistol, and a cell phon…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 05:47 PM
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When you meet a commitment-worthy man (not talking about a beta-bux), do you play hard to get in order to make him understand that you're interested in a LTR with him? No, because I'm not insane enough to see any logic in that. Counter question: Do you consider not jumping on a dude's rod after the first date "playing hard to get"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 04:44 PM
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Would you be as willing to teach if it was a casual ONS with a stranger? That's my interpretation of the original question, so my answer doesn't change. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:56 PM
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Yes, of course. The whole concept of virginity saying something other than "hasn't yet had sex" is stupid. I enjoy teaching dudes how to please me, and virgins are easier to teach. Initially it's awkward, as is expected, but the result is overall more pleasing than two randos bumping uglies because there's more of a personal connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:37 PM
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I think that's the key factor here. Red pillers generally just want to get their dicks wet, and all advice they give extends from that core goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:24 PM
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Do you associate pain with sexual pleasure? And if so how much? Not at all. Small amounts of pain during sex can heighten the sexual pleasure due to contrast, but that's about it for me, and it's a very fine line I only trust a few to navigate properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 07:07 PM
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Indeed, if "pills" are to be used as identification then they should be well defined. RP is the most well defined pill at present, by my estimation, and even then it's more of "you'll know it when you see it" thing. Humans certainly have ideology, but the problem is when that ideology becomes so ingrained that one can't escape it without feeling like their entire identity is ruined. Hence we have this constant butting of heads with no progress made because nobody wants to give any ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 02:14 PM
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But at a first glance that sounds complicated so for the sake of argument, let's just say purple pill is an egalitarian centrist ideology. Purple pill isn't well defined, so we find ourselves coming up with an individual definition. My definition isn't related to any "ist", it's strictly about not letting ideology blind my logic center or stop me from changing my opinions when given a persuasive argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 02:05 PM
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Haters will hate, but they're not the ones who matter. Legitimate misinterpretation of the message by people who would otherwise be open to it is more of a concern, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 04:20 PM
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there's no such thing as bad publicity. Traffic doesn't mean conversions. I research things like TRP often, because I want to have a well rounded understanding of people's perspectives. I consider myself to be exceptionally open-minded, and given the reception of my presence and questions in those spheres, even my gut reaction is "fuck those guys, they're pieces of shit, and the ideology encourages becoming ever more shitty over time". This is from someone who saw benefit in the concepts and was…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 03:36 PM
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Therein lies the problem. The nuances involved don't make for a good acronym, so AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 06:57 PM
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If the concept were defined and labeled as such, there wouldn't be so much of a shitstorm over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 06:46 PM
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AWALT doesn't mean every woman acts exactly the same in every situation. "All" has a very strict mathematical definition. But let's roll with it, because what follows is interesting. It says that women are always ready to upgrade. "Always". Okay, this also has a strict definition. But it gets better. Sometimes social constructs hold them back. Sometimes the risk of losing a fairly good thing for an unsure bet holds them back. Sometimes they're just too comfortable and lazy to take advantage of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 06:27 PM
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If that's the case, AWALT is inaccurately labeled and defined to be inflammatory. Yet, TRPers are somehow surprised when people "misinterpret" the concept? :rolleyes:
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 06:11 PM
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To be fair, that's the impression RP tends to give off. Certainly some will legitimately create a strawman to push a different narrative, but TRPers would be wise to recognize how their theories appear and change the message to be more accurate. Misinterpretation of a message is often on the side of the sender rather than the receiver.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 06:00 PM
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Did all of your friends and employees also have a medical condition that exacerbated the pain exponentially? Normal periods fall into a very manageable range where pads/tampons/cups and popping an over the counter pain killer is sufficient to go through life without anyone knowing you're on your period. If it's debilitating, something is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 04:10 PM
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Con- Periods. Meh, it's really just a minor annoyance. Being rid of periods entirely would be nice, but I don't think I'd want to be the opposite sex just for that. Not worrying about pregnancy sending my body through a shit storm every time I have sex is far more enticing than avoiding a few days of blood and cramps every month. I'm quite satisfied as a woman and see no overwhelming reason to want to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 03:38 PM
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And if you're like everyone else you are dismissed like everyone else. True. If you don't stand out, it's generally assumed you're like all of the others that have been rejected. You don't have to be anything specific (rich and attractive come up a lot), just interesting and non-threatening. to actually score. And that's the underlying problem. Women are difficult to approach because men have taught us to be cautious about men who approach, and it hurts the men who are legitimately looking for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 06:06 PM
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walk up to a woman and they turn around and pepper spray you This stands out to me. If you're "approaching" a woman and she needs to "turn around", that suggests the approach is from an unsafe vector in general. Granted the advice you mention is excessive, but as a tip to the guys, the best approach vector is well within her visual cone. Otherwise you're almost guaranteed to encounter a person who's already on guard.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 05:48 PM
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Life is short, and therefore this principle ought to apply to everything. Okay, I'll accept that as an axiom for this discussion. However, it applies to marriage more so than LTRs, and LTRs more so than STRs. Why? With "life is short" being the premise, then I'd reverse that order of preference and throw in casual encounters as having the highest value. Because when life is short, you'd want to maximize your variety of experiences, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 02:04 PM
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Is femininity an act? Yes and no, it's not quite that simple. I'd describe the noted behaviors as judiciously exaggerating femininity in a way that men expect and appreciate. It doesn't mean the behaviors are completely feigned though. I'll also note that your subsequent questions assume that the answer to the first question will be an unequivocal "yes", which is a smidge dishonest as it leads the discussion instead of letting the discussion evolve out of the answers to the first question. If so…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 01:49 PM
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I see it as a catch-22 when viewed in isolation. Men who have a certain measure of status attract desirable women, and men who attract desirable women have a certain measure of status. The two ("status" and attracting women) are not mutually exclusive, but do appear to interrelate in how such men are perceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:41 PM
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I got the impression that "disgusting" was in reference to the act of purchasing a prostitute rather than the attractiveness of the person doing the purchasing. In other words, "you're disgusting if you purchase a prostitute, whoever you are". That's an assumption on my part. Noting my bias from seeing other responses to the question of prostitution, I also highly doubt that pricing is even on the radar. That's another assumption. Hence the open-ended request for clarification, I didn't want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 04:26 PM
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It's grammatically correct, but confusing. Especially on a debate forum, there's a good chance one could be accused of creating a false dilemma, so my preference is precision of discourse over "technical" correctness. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 04:12 PM
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Q4Women: Do you find it offensive to speak of women using economic terms? I find very little offensive, and nothing that isn't directed specifically at me. So no, I don't find that offensive. In fact, I'd agree there's more than a little truth to speaking of relationships in an economic light. If you peel away all of the fluff, what's left appears to be biological imperatives (duh) and mutual benefit (ie. a fair transaction). Q4All: Do you foresee a future where we break free of the idea that ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 04:08 PM
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May I ask why?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 03:50 PM
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The usual suggestion is to replace "either" with "any", though I'd favor replacing "either way" with "regardless" in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 03:41 PM
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Maybe because they are sad losers who can’t get a girl, maybe because they like to choreograph sex without feeling guilty, maybe it’s a power thing. Maybe adding "etc.." would be a good idea, because I can think of other reasons. ;) Either way, what are you opinions on these men? "Either" suggests two options, yet you gave three. Though choreographing sex can be lumped under being a power thing, so I'll let it slide. ;) To answer the question, I really don't care. If a sex worker wants to sell t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 03:34 PM
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For that to work we'd need to revert "man" to its original meaning that doesn't exclude the penis-challenged, because while I agree, that definition should apply to everyone. Sadly, my petition to reinstate wifman and werman to the English language didn't get many signatures. ;p
/r/MensRights08/06/18 06:17 PM
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What does it mean to "man up" in current year? "Man up", as it's used in current year, seems to mean shut your mouth and do something clearly not in your best interest.
/r/MensRights08/06/18 02:15 PM
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What’s a good counter to this argument? "Are we talking about protecting the victim, or the perpetrator?" If in a perverse mood, I'd be sorely tempted to say that 100% of women commit abortion; shall we prosecute them for first or second degree murder regardless of whether or not they were coerced by a man?
/r/MensRights04/06/18 06:17 PM
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Morally, do you discount the risk of pregnancy and birth to both the mother and child(ren)? We cannot dismiss that the chance of complications at any time are quite small in modern societies, but it's still present. Does that fall under a "culture of ME"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 05:37 PM
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What you do defines who you are to others. It's unfortunate that women seem to be given inherent value just by existing while men have to obtain value, but to be fair that inherent value only goes so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 05:26 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me, that's just not my go-to assumption without justifying evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:05 PM
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I didn't ask as it would have been rude, but I'd wager shaving too closely. My extrapolation is that it's similar to shaving one's pits and getting razor burn, but on vastly more sensitive skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:04 PM
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"It's not my job to educate you", eh? Sorry, but in my circles, affirmative statements must be backed up. Failure to do so on request means the statement can be dismissed as lacking in evidence.
/r/MensRights18/05/18 04:52 PM
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Okay, that's more helpful than questioning my command of the language... I can see how my words could be misinterpreted, where "compulsory military service" (a part you neglected to include in your quotes) was contextually intended as being entirely unconditional. Selective service is conditional, where men are coerced into registering even though they may not ever be called to serve. Is my stance more clear now?
/r/MensRights18/05/18 04:48 PM
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So...we're in agreement. I'm a bit confused here.
/r/MensRights18/05/18 04:15 PM
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In that context, "confront and deal with or accept". I'm not entirely sure where you're going with the question, could you clarify the point so I can address it directly?
/r/MensRights18/05/18 03:51 PM
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I’m not talking about the entire movement here Hopefully you can understand my confusion given that your previous post included "Like men COULD be discriminated against so we’re making a movement?". it’s definitely a trend with the whole movement I'm not rejecting the statement, but do you have corroborating evidence of that trend? to make weak or uninformed demands Given how easily your OP's claim was refuted as being either uninformed or misrepresented, I'm detecting irony.
/r/MensRights18/05/18 02:56 PM
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My argument is a refutation of your initial claim. Are we talking about only one of many complaints that men's rights raises, or the movement as a whole straw-manned into a single issue?
/r/MensRights18/05/18 02:35 PM
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Q4All: Do we "lie" to women just like we "lie" to men? Ooh, this could become a good discussion. To lie means that the liar knows the truth and intentionally misrepresents it. I'd prefer not to assume malice in the majority of cases when simple ignorance suffices. Perhaps "we" just don't know what the truth is, and try things until finding something that works. Perhaps the problem is so complex that it's impossible to generate a universal algorithm for success, and the heuristics we create are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 02:21 PM
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Partially. A forest in the nether regions is off-putting, but completely bare also tends to come with tons of little blood blisters that aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing when it's in my face. ;) If I could dictate how my guy(s) scape their man, I'd suggest tasteful trimming rather than full shaves (exactly the way I like facial hair).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 02:10 PM
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True, but not the whole story. Registration for selective service is still active and required for males aged 18 to 26. Failure to do so hasn't been legally prosecuted since the 1980s, but to the best of my knowledge failure to register potentially denies the individual (again, male only) from federal loans, government benefits, and federal employment. Women don't face compulsory military service in the United States, this is true. Men do not either, this is also true. But men are legally requir…
/r/MensRights18/05/18 01:36 PM
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Ah, then this could be a productive discussion, because I had no idea my posts had a feminist vibe. If they do, I need to make adjustments. What about them strikes you as having a feminist leaning?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 01:25 PM
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Snap snap, grin grin, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more? Even if I failed to catch your reference, Monty Python can do no wrong. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:55 PM
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Sad, but true. It pains me that critical thinking and formal logic aren't taught as early as primary school. Often the reaction is to assume the absolute worst when even a bit of empathy could be applied to produce a productive and enjoyable debate. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:47 PM
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Your reasoning still isn't clear. Perhaps if you used your own words to explain instead of merely quoting and highlighting words that I wrote it would help.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 08:05 PM
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Um...what? Please show your work, because I completely fail to see how you reached that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:35 PM
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> But honestly it looks to me that they usually don't even give him the time of the day unless he's strikingly handsome and blow him off with a variety of excuses like 'I have a bf' etc. It may come as a surprise, but out in the wild most women aren't waiting to be approached in the majority of cases. We're doing other things, have plans, and rando approaches derail those plans. So unless you've got some serious swag to divert our attention, the approach is more of an annoyance. I couldn't care …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:48 PM
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That does indeed seem to be the prevailing goal. Yes, TRP encourages self-betterment, but that self-betterment is often suffixed with "so you can get dat poon". To be fair, there are different factions of RP (MRA, TRP, PUA, and MGTOW being notable). I think all of them are "red pilled" in the most basic sense, and the goals expanding from it do appear to vary, sometimes quite significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:09 PM
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Which raises the question, what are the goals? Without well defined goals, it's impossible to say if either "works" or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 06:00 PM
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> The results overwhemlingly seem to imply that women don't like, enjoy or want sex? That would be a stereotype, much like "men can only think about one thing", or "men think about sex every 7 seconds". Granted that stereotypes have some nugget of truth, the problem is in painting with a broad brush. I just shrug it off. If guys think I have a mental/emotional illness because I like sex and avoid me, that's their loss. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 07:20 PM
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> saves sex until marriage Which greatly reduces chance of success in #3 because sexual compatibility is rather important to the stability of a marriage in the first decade or so. > marries young > remains married > makes her husband her world, with her kids coming after I assume you expect the man to do exactly the same, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:52 PM
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I'd need more information. Being a virgin is not a negative in my opinion, but reasons for prolonged virginity are relevant. While I wouldn't condemn such a man immediately, it would prompt a discussion where I'd form my opinion on an individual basis. The same goes with a large number of short term relationships. And again the question is "why"?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:37 PM
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Nah, it just needs to be good sex. Hotness isn't synonymous with being a good lover.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:52 PM
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Then it would be better if we agree to disagree That's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:47 PM
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I want to know if you belive the connotations of a man raping a woman and the reverse are equal. Yes, I do. Ultimately it comes down to forcefully removing another's agency and free will.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:33 PM
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Ah, sorry, the genders weren't clear in the example by my reading. My analysis remains the same, though who's most in the wrong would depend on who's being manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:24 PM
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Me too! I went the vocational route in high school with a focus on automotive, was one of the top students in the class to the point of becoming a mentor, participated in (and won) local competitions such as Ford/AAA, and immediately got a job at a dealership after high school as a technician trainee. If it weren't for an awkward situation at that job that prompted me to quit (I kept getting passed up and pushed off to other non-mechanic tasks while new hires were properly trained and assigned r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:21 PM
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Say, for example, I dont really care about getting an emotional relationship since I'm going to college so I decide to mess around, sometimes play with their feelings, and then sleep with them while pretending to have a genuine connection and break it off when I'm done with what I want. Is that bad? With that definition, yes, I'd say it's bad. Not using him for sex, but leading him along with promises of something more when you have no intention of it. If we reduce it to fuckbuddy status where b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:10 PM
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I think the deeper question would be can women's breasts not be sexualized? And my gut feeling is that it'll never happen. If there's some way (barring lobotomy) that would cause men to not be attracted to boobles without unintended consequences of drastically reducing general attraction[1], I'll eat my hat. [1] And yes, I'd anticipate women going apeshit over men no longer finding them attractive should one of the more prominent physical features for the "male gaze" become irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:04 PM
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It's quite a leap to go from "the effects may not be the same" to "if a man gets raped, it's his own fault". Differing effects doesn't preclude those effects being equally damaging, just in potentially different ways. Is your argument that men should suck up being raped? Or would justice still be served to the rapist appropriately for the crime?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 01:50 PM
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I'm arguing that it's at the same level as violent rape I'd say not. And if there's a violent component then assault laws should already cover them. moreso for men This is where I question things. Rape is rape. While the effects may not be the same, I don't see them as different enough to prosecute differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 05:36 PM
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STDs and unwanted children are trouble. I made a point to start the OP stating such. Apologies, I interpreted it as the concern being minor. Most STDs can be treated if not cured, though unwanted children is an oft discussed topic where men get the shaft. So as far as verbiage goes, I'd be inclined to say "most" rather than "some". Weapons aren't as much an equalizer as you believe because for a woman to rape a man at gunpoint she needs to get close enough for him to potentially disarm her. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 04:40 PM
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Kind of like "do you want to get kicked in the nuts or hit in the face with a shovel?" Totally a decision, but neither of them are pleasant or wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 03:22 PM
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If you coerce someone into making a decision, they still consented. That's not consent, it's forced acquiescence. There's a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 03:11 PM
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Okay, then from that premise I'd ask why you think STDs and unwanted children can be shrugged off. Also, weapons are an equalizer such that physicality is less of a dominating factor (last I checked, men are just as squishy as women when it comes to weapons). But violent rape strikes me as somewhat rare. Women wield a great deal of social power; would you say that coercion is somehow not a problem for "real" men? If so, how do you propose those men counter it, other than walking away and allowin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 03:06 PM
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I was going to delve into this, but from the comments it seems your opinion boils down to "if a man gets raped, it's his own fault" because he's biologically bigger and stronger on average (ignoring coercion and weapons). Is that an accurate assessment?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 02:56 PM
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I rounded the values, it hardly makes a difference. Given the numbers supposedly in question one percentage point makes a significant difference. Which is a population more likely to be well read as it pretty much exclusively appears to coastal white elites. Congratulations, you've left me speechless.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 08:28 PM
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30% don’t read at all In the last year at the time of the poll. Also, it was 28%, not 30% according to the article. 40% only read nonfiction 42%, not 40% according to the article. Let's also consider that the poll reported by that article was for all Americans reading any book within the 12 months prior to September 2013. But let's also consider that it was a Huffington Post/YouGov poll, so saying "X% of Americans" is quite wrong and rather presumptuous. Finally, audiobooks were excluded, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 04:58 PM
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I haven't intentionally shit tested a man, but I can imagine that my default of being a snarky jackass could easily be interpreted as such. Though I find myself wondering if my "shit tests" would just be seen as normal banter if I were a dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 05:59 PM
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what goes thru y’all mind as we approach? Depends on the context. Care to elaborate with some examples of when, where, and how? If it’s someone who you find attractive compared to someone you don’t is your internal reaction different? Not really. A simple approach means nothing other than I'm on his radar for some reason, whether it be to ask directions, flirt, or whatnot. I'm not so narcissistic as to assume that any man who starts to approach me is doing so with intimacy in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 06:01 PM
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Indeed. If someone ganks my fries, I should legally be allowed to kill them. ;) It’s a rare guilty pleasure, and no, you can’t have any...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 03:49 PM
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Because cock is all that matters... :rolleyes: It seems like both sexes project priorities and preferences on the other sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 08:26 PM
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from time immemorial You might want to double check what that means...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 08:43 PM
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Q4All: Define your "true self?" I'm a self-important jackass, much like I imagine most people are when being truly honest. Q4All: Shouldn't we all work towards improving yourself as much as possible towards whatever goals we may choose? (Which will inherently include changing your behavior and attitudes). Well, yes. In fact, I think a lot of social problems in the world stem from people not being open to change or fear of the "different".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 07:54 PM
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Women are expected to do things (nurture, nourish, birth) just as men are expected to be things (strong, stoic, fatherly). True. Though in terms of value of the person, I get the impression doing applies more to men (barring birth) and being applies more to women, at least in discussion circles like this one. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 06:59 PM
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I don't get the shoes thing, but let's examine the claim of "frivolous" against gender roles. In large part men are expected to do things (eg. protect, provide, fix) and women are expected to be things (eg. pretty, kind, motherly). Both objects fill those roles nicely. Tools facilitate a man's role of fixing or building and shoes facilitate a woman's role of being pretty. The value of one role doesn't diminish the value of the other unless you're unfairly applying it to the wrong sex. From that …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 05:29 PM
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So, women, is anything you do for your man done out of anything other than self-interest? Superficially, yes, but when you really think about it, largely no. Here are two examples: I like cooking for my BF, not because I particularly enjoy cooking, but because I like seeing him enjoy something I created. His happiness makes me happy, and therefore I'd have to admit I ultimately do it out of self-interest. I learn about and invest myself in his hobbies. Again, shared interests makes him happy whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 03:27 PM
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Thanks, that answers my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:58 PM
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There was no mention of the woman, only the man's goals/intentions. So my counter question is: do men only care about sex? According to RP, it sure seems that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:55 PM
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I fail to see how you made that connection. Please show your work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 07:36 PM
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So "men only care about sex" is confirmed? Good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 07:18 PM
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He legit won. This is why RP is looked down upon. Getting your dick wet is the ultimate victory even if you end up dying alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 06:13 PM
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Guy says he wants to put it off till later he isn’t ready etc. If he has no intention of settling down, but knows she wants to, wouldn't this constitute a flat out lie with the purpose of leading her on and eventually screwing her over? Sounds like textbook jerk to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 07:14 PM
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I agree, if we were to cherry pick and think that nice guys only have to offer their niceness. That seems to be exactly what's done, hence my disagreement. If a nice guy fails yet has more to offer than just being nice, why focus on being nice as the culprit? To some men it is enough, for a while as long as they get free sex I find it odd how men are allowed to be individuals, but all women are the same... If you feel that biological facts can be derogatory I feel that the stereotype needs very …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 04:54 PM
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being nice to women isn't working and is in fact counter-productive, losing strategy If being nice is the only thing you bring to the table other than a functional penis, yeah, that would be a losing strategy. But if being nice is part of a larger whole, then you're onto something. AWALT isn't meant to be deragatory term any more than "men value sex more than women" or in short "all men want is sex" (and food afterwards). Both are sweeping negative generalizations, so are you saying that AWALT i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 04:08 PM
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feministic items such as tumblr I'm a bit surprised, to be honest. tumblr has really good porn, so I'd wager folks who list it as "feministic" aren't using the right search keywords. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 06:29 PM
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It's no secret that women (especially on here) actively hate manosphere items such as the red pill, return of kings, etc. It's also no secret that the first inclination of being hated is to hate back. Unfortunate, but that's the human condition. It goes both ways, so the "gender war" is self-fueling.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 05:50 PM
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I haven't read it either (shame on me), but from the quotes I get the impression that it fits a sadly common trend of men don't matter until their problems start affecting women, then it's a crisis.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 06:49 PM
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Prostitutes don't guarantee good sex either; ask for a refund, I dare you. ;) But to answer the question, bad sex is the risk of trying to make a real connection. When paying for sex, that simply won't happen. Also, prostitutes will basically do what you want, as I understand. Even from "bad sex", I've discovered new things that I enjoy. Long story short, for mechanical satisfaction I can acquire a suitable dildo in less than 30 minutes. When I want actual sex, I'd prefer that my partner wants s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 01:51 AM
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Hmm, given that you ignored my question and focused entirely on the phrase "total shit", I'll politely decline until I have evidence you're acting in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 06:38 PM
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Which tactics in particular? Red Pill has a number of them, and I think they vary from total shit to quite reasonable. Lumping everything into "Red Pill" and discussing the whole strikes me as unproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 05:52 PM
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I could argue that the question is leading, but honestly I don't have a problem with it. Maybe more general phrasing to get to the root of what I interpret to be the problem of "is flirting sexual harassment", though in all fairness I saw that thread and marked it for a potential reply. I've just been mulling over the question so my counter question is more than "what is flirting?" ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 05:39 PM
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my use of the socratic method - which he calls "gotcha tactics" Properly used, the Socratic method isn't a "gotcha" tactic. However, it can easily be misused with leading and loaded questions to become a gotcha tactic. It really depends on the question, which wasn't supplied. Could you elaborate on the question(s) you asked and the responses you received?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 04:50 PM
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But you made it sound in your initial post that you already know whether you are into a guy or not before he uses any pick-up techniques. That would be an accurate assessment. There's a gray area, certainly. A guy who I'm not into could turn out to be cool, but making that first contact would be harder for him because I feel we rightly assume cold approaches have a primarily sexual intention. As a result, we tend to be more guarded to filter out the (for lack of a better term) PUAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 03:18 PM
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For initial attraction, appearance and how one carries oneself are the catalyst. Women aren't different from men in that aspect. Your reply kind of makes it seem that anything beyond appearance and perhaps a basic appearance of confidence is really unnecessary for a man For that starting point when trying to get attention from a potential partner, yeah. Are you suggesting that men don't look at a woman and think "she's hot, I'ma go talk to her"? It's the same deal for women, though we can object…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 09:38 PM
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You're avoiding the spirit of the question. Dare I ask what the spirit of the question was? We do. And we don't care if it's peer reviewed because it works. I won't discount your anecdotal experience because there's value in it. But saying you "know" with only that is intellectually dishonest. Anecdotal evidence is the weakest of evidence. And even if we did validate it scientifically, using methods you would accept for your own belief systems, you'd then say it was subject to the replication cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 09:07 PM
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Why do the majority of sexually successful men, cross culturally have the same techniques and attitudes in regards to women? I don't know. That sounds like a good topic for a proper study. Do they need peer reviewed studies? Yes. Are they scientifically incorrect in their approach? Without substantiation, it's safest to assume that's the case. Do they need peer review from a scientific body? Probably, unless they're comfortable with the studies being dismissed as armchair science. My posit to fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 08:47 PM
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I wonder why you immediately go to fear, but I'll set that aside as a mere curiosity. My objection is generalization. What works for you and yours is great, and more power to you. But taking that and implying it works for a statistical majority is a cardinal sin in scientific circles unless you have incontrovertible peer-reviewed proof. If not, then it's just pop-psych waffling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 08:05 PM
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Ah, my apologies for the confusion since it does smell like top-posting. I found it ironic and quite humorous that your post was a clear example (at least for me) of the statement I quoted from the post you were replying to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 07:57 PM
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So what is your opinion on my reply? Was my opinion unclear? Can you understand the mechanisms of action I understand your description of these proposed actions, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 07:43 PM
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reading forums like this can certainly make it harder to trust any given man. [...] Yup, I can see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 07:02 PM
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Are you deciding just based upon appearance? Appearance is a primary indicator, yes. When there's insufficient information, superficial information takes precedence. I'm assuming we're talking first contact situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 05:11 PM
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It really depends on if I'm interested in the first place. If so, I recognize RP techniques and often find them to be an amusing form of flirtation. If not, I still recognize the RP techniques and they turn me off further. I'm not so insecure that men can get in my pants using a guidebook unless I was down in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 04:22 PM
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I'm not trying to prove anything. Rather, I'm trying to learn what folks here believe relative to what my past research produced; that may be where the confusion lies. My question has been consistent from the start. It's a simple question, but I don't yet have a conclusive answer: does r/mensrights now consider feminists to be equivalent to women?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:27 PM
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Agreed. I and my peers got a good laugh out of it until it went viral. Then we questioned the survival of our species due to a prevalence of idiots.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:21 PM
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you find the very idea offensive and this is the basis of your complaint. That's quite presumptuous, and quite wrong. The basis of my question was the implication that all women can fuck off and deserve whatever they get because feminism. This is in stark contrast with what I understood to be one of the core tenets of men's rights, hence I reached out to get more details. If it was simply poor phrasing, so be it. Even the most eloquent can muddle words. But from the responses I've received so fa…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:05 PM
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You're trying to use false equivalence for an argument. No, I'm trying to confirm that the false equivalence is still frowned upon in the men's rights arena. I recall conflating women with feminists being taboo among MRAs. Has that changed?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:38 PM
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Sorry, I had assumed everyone understood that it's a thought experiment. I won't make the same mistake again.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:34 PM
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Please read all of my comments in this thread objectively. If you still believe I'm being dishonest, I suppose I cannot convince you otherwise.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:48 PM
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Fair 'nuff. We'll agree to disagree then. :) I appreciate your time and effort.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:42 PM
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Where did anybody claim that there would be no damage? I was merely clarifying what you said, as the implication was there in my reading. You don't believe casualties can be unintended but expected? I don't believe that, given that the two words are suitable antonyms. Yes, a group of people will experience the side effects from other people taking personal precautions. That's not 'mistreating a group'. The actions of one group negatively affects another group. We can quibble over what "mistreatm…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:38 PM
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Are you suggesting that damage does not occur when there's no ill intent? I can buy unintended casualties, though it seems like the casualties are fully expected here. But whether it's intended or not, mistreatment can and likely will occur to a group from the actions of a few. Thus, your statements do not follow.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:09 PM
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The M&M analogy was flawed, I can't change that. Though the analogy between the M&M meme (which was focused on men/rape) and not taking chances with women seems rather spot on.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:00 PM
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My ego is best applied elsewhere, so no worries that I have any vested interest in reddit other than posing what seem to be uncomfortable questions. So I ask again, are "women" and "feminists" no longer separate in the men's rights lexicon?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:56 PM
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I would posit that they are unavoidable casualties. It is a true statement that the results are going to affect all women. You are creating the perception of a group mistreatment for the actions of a few but that's not true. These statements do not follow.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:55 PM
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Good point, and I don't disagree. Though I would ask who decides what is evil. It seems like each side paints the other as evil, and anyone who doesn't pick a side is just as bad as those choosing the "wrong" side. Do we finally determine who's evil when one side wins? I'm not a fan of feminism as it stands, but I'm still on the fence with men's rights because it's almost schizophrenic in being reasonable versus "all women bad" rhetoric over the couple of years I've been subbed here. Edit: Well,…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:32 PM
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can you really ask these men to take that risk and the risknto their families for these women? No. Nor would I choose to. Again, my response is to the comment, not the issue or the situation. Please don't change the goalposts.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:09 PM
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Everyone should be able to make their own choices, certainly. Though to be fair, "most women are feminists when it suits them" and "in the face of those odds, why should men take the chance" sounds a lot like feminist rhetoric such as the poisoned M&M meme. You do you, but I still don't feel as if my interpretation has been corrected.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 05:05 PM
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I'm not responding to the issue, I'm responding to the comment: "no fucks" for women due to what feminism has sown. Last I checked, men's rights folks were very conscious of the difference. Has that changed?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 04:46 PM
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How have I twisted the issue?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 04:23 PM
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Aren't they complicit in their silence? "If you're not against them, you're with them", eh? I'm not seeing that as any better than the opposite false dichotomy. Men are simply defending themselves. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing against the measures men are taking; it's perfectly reasonable in the current climate. My question is related to the comment of giving "no fucks" for women (not feminists, mind you) in suffering the consequences.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 04:21 PM
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So...I interpret that response as yes, you're comfortable with throwing all women under the bus because you believe they buy into feminism. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 04:17 PM
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Feminism != women. Are the majority of women who don't identify as feminist acceptable casualties? Edit: It seems like my question has been solidly answered. Thanks to everyone for the replies and votes (both good and bad); I'll try to refrain from participating on this sub, since my thoughts do not appear to be welcome. I wish you the best of luck in your efforts.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 03:44 PM
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Shitty behavior begets shitty behavior. I guess there's no resolution other than pointing fingers online. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 03:58 PM
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Ah, so is it not unreasonable to say that these women recognize shitty behavior from men and act in response to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 08:45 PM
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By resisting sex as long as possible and not communicating, she preserves her power. Assuming that's the case, I fail to see how having sex changes this dynamic unless she's complete shit in bed. He'll still want sexy times and she can still delay subsequent instances of it to her advantage. If she's even half decent at sex, giving him a taste just makes him want more, which would increase her power, no? However, this hypothesis hinges on women not wanting sex for any reason other than as a barg…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 07:08 PM
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When men are conditioned to see themselves as predators and imagine what it's like to be the prey... Shit like this is why women tell men they don't know what it's like being a woman. Fortunately it's comedy and everyone realizes that, right? Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:45 PM
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I honestly can't recall ever meeting a man who was shorter than me, much less sleeping with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 03:40 PM
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I used to work 168 hours a week for low five-figures, but that was to serve my country. I'm curious how you define "work", given that there are 168 hours in a seven day week total.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 07:52 PM
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It's largely benevolence in my case, but yes, I absolutely have learned from the experience. Teaching helps me to solidify my own understanding of concepts because you need to have a complete understanding to explain those concepts in whatever way best suits the student. Further, I'm a firm believer in alternate perspectives. Rank beginners have asked questions that made me think hard about how I did things. Despite them having no experience, their outside perspective was enlightening to someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 07:00 PM
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What exactly explains their motivation? I liken it to programming, because that's my forte. I'm a "thriving" and "successful" programmer, but I still spend quite a bit of my spare time giving back to the community by writing free-use code as well as tutoring beginners, intermediate programmers, and in some cases advanced programmers. It's satisfying to help people who are in a place that I was many years ago, and I'm working within a topic that greatly interests me at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 06:50 PM
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Respectfully, what am I missing? The sentence immediately after the one you quoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 11:48 AM
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So a guy is an asshole for breaking up with a girl who won't do oral/BJs? Reading comprehension is important, my friend. Try again, please, and this time read all of the words I carefully composed. Is it really so important to get your pussy licked? No, it isn't. Is it really so important for him to give you a ring/marry you/other indicia of commitment? The question was terminating a non-marriage relationship because of sexual acts or preferences. Please try again, without moving the goalposts, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 09:32 PM
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Have your shit together. If you can't handle your own life, how can you handle a relationship? Integrity is absolutely critical to me, so if you lie or misrepresent yourself, it's over without question. When dating it's fine to have options. When in a relationship, if you have someone else on the line I'll dump you in a New York minute. My unbreakable rules can be summarized thus: independence, integrity, and fidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 07:56 PM
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Not getting enough sex. I think that's fair. If your libidos don't match and it cannot be resolved, that's an indication you aren't compatible. Not getting oral sex/BJ's. Personally, I'd say this falls under asshole territory. Objectively, it's similar to the "not enough sex" point in that there's a compatibility issue. Getting bad or vanilla sex. Bad sex is par for the course in new relationships. If it cannot be resolved, we're back to compatibility. Vanilla sex is a curious mention because it…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 07:44 PM
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People show up to mass when the bells go off (in a time before widespread clocks) but if they get there and there's nobody playing the organ and there's no one delivering a sermon and it's just a huge cardboard box, all the people with real actual things to do will leave. We've got sermons but no organist. The windows have no stained glass. The naves have no paintings. The ceiling has no frescoes. NO PRODUCT. NO MASS, CRITICAL OR OTHERWISE. NOTHING. That's a lovely comparison. Kudos. :) Ideas co…
/r/MensRights22/11/17 07:26 PM
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ideas generate awareness. Agreed. But until the awareness reaches a critical mass, it's just a bunch of people in an echo chamber. My point is that reaching that critical mass takes time. How do you think the pyramids got built? Architects who were smarter than we give them credit, technology that our modern arrogance assumes didn't exist, and a lot of dedication to a goal. That's my personal opinion, of course. ;) How do you think video game franchises get made? They get made by the developers,…
/r/MensRights22/11/17 06:44 PM
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1) Impractical. There's a reason sweeping bills get rejected quickly if they're not strong-armed into approval and a reason little things are dog-eared into bills that are otherwise widely desired. 2) My interpretation of men's rights presently is it's still in the awareness stage. Without sufficient awareness, an agenda is irrelevant because there will be no discussion.
/r/MensRights22/11/17 06:20 PM
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Ah, gotcha. On a second reading I can appreciate the cleverness, but if you take away the gaming terminology, what's the point of the thread, exactly?
/r/MensRights22/11/17 06:06 PM
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Yup. I agree with the premise, but I don't agree with the specifics because they fall flat under logical scrutiny. Remove speculation or add caveats, and I'd be in full agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 05:53 PM
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We seem to think female characters are imba, right? How so? Which genre? Competitive or not? I may or may not agree, but I surely won't agree without any kind of detail in such a huge spectrum boiled down to "games" and "gamers". You seem to be taking a few games that matter to you and generalizing your argument into all games. In the games I play, gender is superficial and makes no difference to gameplay, so I need some convincing. ;)
/r/MensRights22/11/17 05:41 PM
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given the natural imbalance of supply and demand in the SMP, men trade power and resources for sex while women trade sex for power and resources? You had me until here. Yes, sex can and often is transactional in one way or another. But I wouldn't go so far as to say universally what is being traded without a lot of peer-reviewed citations to prove it. Pop psych doesn't count as credible citation. I do largely agree though. Men and women both want sex, but men in general have a harder time gettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 05:15 PM
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Wow, those comments. For all the bluster about women from RP folks, if given the chance RP men would act exactly the same way? That's an eye-opener, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 04:00 PM
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Indeed. It's a random number pulled out of my ass based on educated experience. Though again from experience, I padded that number by 5%... ;) Game programming is hard. Game programmers sit on the bleeding edge of technology at any given time. We could argue that this is only AAA programmers, but please prove me wrong. I love being proven wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 04:41 PM
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How? What do you mean by "gatekept"? Also, please make the distinction between game developers and game players, if you feel there is one. :) In good faith I'll offer this. I'm an avid game player, and never have I felt I was being excluded, discouraged, humored, or coddled by the dudes. It's hard to keep a gate when there's no gate other than passion and making an honest attempt to be good. I'm also a software developer by trade, and apparently a fairly good one. Game studios have approached me…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 08:36 PM
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I see a distinct lack of nuance here. Women are attracted to kindness Yes, but not just kindness, and not exclusively kind. The latter part deserves clarification. A kind person and a doormat are very different; the former is an attractive attribute and the latter is not. Women prefer nice guys to assholes Again, it's not either/or. An exclusively nice guy is boring and likely to be a doormat. An exclusive asshole may be exciting in the short term but gets the boot for being an asshole when it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:04 PM
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Women want 1000 things and they even can't spell them out since those things keep changing every morning depending on their constant mood swings This is as much a logical fallacy as "guys only want one thing". It's not worth discussing as a legitimate concept because it's axiomatically flawed. However, discussing the flaws, how they came about, and why they're propagated throughout society is terribly interesting. So how the hell can women complain about us wanting just sex? They bought into the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:26 PM
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I can't imagine that working unless you're already in a sexual relationship with her and that kind of playful banter is the norm in your interactions. Otherwise, it's a good way to be escorted by an authority figure out of whatever establishment you try it in. Then again, some women are kinky and adventurous like that. Your mileage may vary, but if the variance is anywhere between "I'm down" and "I'm calling the police", it's probably not a good pickup line.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:17 PM
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A few somewhat niche gameplay and immersion mods. You can find them on the Nexus by searching for my account name: Narue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 02:25 PM
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Your example amuses me to no extent because I'm an avid player of Skyrim, a Skyrim mod author, and often participate in discussions about the game. :D If you don't mind chatting with a nerd, I'll clarify as well. I come here because it's low hanging fruit with amusing topics. PPD is the McDonald's of "debate" subs where I can cut loose and not worry as much about intellectual rigor and still manage to curb stomp almost anyone who comes my way. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 09:32 PM
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why read different perspectives? Why not? If someone is so comfortable in their understanding of the world and so confident that they need learn nothing new, I'd like to meet that person. They're either wise to the point of being transcendent, or a complete fool. Either way, it's a person worth meeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 09:08 PM
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Like I said, a foot or more in height difference. Based on what? An objective metric should be defensible, otherwise it's just another opinion. And yes, I know you said it was your opinion, but what's your reasoning? Note that I'm playing devil's advocate here. A foot of height difference introduces some...interesting problems. I've dated 6+ foot guys before, and let's just say that there were some "technical" issues. ;) But in the same token how would they know such a height difference didn't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 07:42 PM
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Given the screenshot, absolutely. :) To be fair, I wouldn't expect the rest of the article to be any better, but I can't in good conscience claim that definitively.
/r/MensRights03/11/17 07:22 PM
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I cited a case of a woman who is 5'2" dating a man who is 6'5", extraordinarily tall and in the 0.1% of height. Hence my ultimate question: where do we draw the line? As it stands, this seems very subjective. Further, it's not cut and dry unless you reduce attraction only to height, which would also be a strawman. I imagine women who don't give two shits about height but end up with someone significantly taller would be a bit miffed to be bashed for their partner's height.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 07:19 PM
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"Can" and "do" are not synonymous, so I disagree with that argument. Men orgasm more because it's easier for them to orgasm more quickly, from my understanding and experience. Without a link to the full article I can't make a solid opinion, but from the screenshot it does appear to be full of shit. You know what's a turn-on? Turning your partner on! ;)
/r/MensRights03/11/17 07:02 PM
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Have y’all ever been hit? I'll choose to interpret it as "in anger" of "with intent to cause damage (either physical or emotional)". And the answer is no, not on purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 06:56 PM
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I'm 5'3" and find it exceptionally difficult to even locate men my height or shorter, much less attract them. Does that mean I lean toward alpha men? ;) What's the cutoff point where it's okay instead of chasing "taller" partners? As a short lady (for my area), I'm genuinely curious whether this "taller" thing is deterministic or merely defined by the speaker as "taller than me".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 06:50 PM
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I'm 5'3" and find it exceptionally difficult to even locate men my height or shorter, much less attract them. Does that mean I lean toward alpha men? ;) What's the cutoff point where it's okay instead of chasing "taller" partners? As a short lady (for my area), I'm genuinely curious whether this "taller" thing is deterministic or merely defined by the speaker as "taller than me".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 06:49 PM
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No, I cannot honestly say that. Nor can I claim the inverse. Both are taller than me, and I've never met anyone interested who was my height or shorter. For me, the question is moot, either because I have no experience with shorter men or because I genuinely don't give a shit when other attributes are vastly more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 01:20 PM
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"Remains to be uncovered", as if women can't/don't rise to a challenge... If they believe the stereotype that men are better at chess, which of these is more likely: They'll meekly turn tail and run from the scary opponent. They'll push harder to make up the supposed difference and perform better than normal. I'd wager you can take any chess player and see similar results in their games against higher ranked opponents.
/r/MensRights20/10/17 03:07 PM
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Women can earn their own money now, and don't have to be dependent economically on men, which removes much of the incentives that our foremothers had to marry. Your question was romantic relationships, not marriage. The two are not synonymous. Companionship? Women have that in spades with their female friends My female friends lack a key piece of anatomy for romantic companionship. Physical protection? While I don't deny that a larger man at my side provides comfort, I don't live in a time or pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 05:14 PM
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Okay, let's do it as long as I can (paraphrasing the questions). I'm a woman too, btw. I have asked for sex, then made him feel guilty for saying no. Yup. I have taken a maybe as a yes. Yup. I have consumed porn for pleasure. Often. All pleasure is momentary, so that's silly. I know enough about porn to refuse qualifying it with "toxic", "patriarchal", and "rape culture" without both extremely specific and extremely convincing context. I've gone ahead with sex without having an existential crisi…
/r/MensRights18/10/17 06:22 PM
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Privilege is indeed a thing, just not the thing usually touted as "privilege". It doesn't make meritocracy a myth though. Anyone can stand on their merits; the problem is having those merits noticed enough to do something with them. And the source of the problem appears to be class. There's so much focus on your family, your degree, what school you went to, or previous experience (first-time job hunters know this one), that if you aren't a modern aristocrat, the path to success is significantly …
/r/MensRights18/10/17 04:52 PM
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Some people have it and some people want it, so yes, it's technically a commodity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 02:44 PM
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From a technical standpoint, Usenet is "old school". The best we got in the last decade was Google Groups, but even that was largely deprecated and not widely popular relative to social media. My personal opinion is that "forums" are on the outs, so anything similar to Usenet would either die or be stillborn. Reddit seems to be the only outlier as a forum-esque option. Social media and instant gratification options appear to be what most folks want these days. Or heavily curated crap like StackO…
/r/MensRights12/10/17 05:01 PM
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It could very well be "men + violence". But I'd ask why. Is it men? Or is it violence? If it's both, why do those men choose to use violence? Saying X+Y just complicates matters by introducing more variables. The variables might be relevant, or they might hide the underlying issue. If it's men who are violent, why do these men become violent when the vast majority of men don't? I fail to see how this isn't a reasonable question.
/r/MensRights12/10/17 03:17 PM
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Wow. I have no words that do justice for that completely unfair situation. The best I can offer is sympathy. :( More and more I see our current world as a lost cause. Honesty, integrity, and truth are pushed aside in favor of the agenda de jure.
/r/MensRights12/10/17 02:16 PM
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While my general feeling throughout the article was "Of course", "Duh!" and "You reap what you sow", this quote stood out in stark contrast to the message: One way to encourage these relationships is to have more people at the top of companies who are not straight white men. It might be my cynical side, but this sentence perhaps betrays the underlying intention of the article: straight white men are the problem. In interviews, women in companies with many female or gay executives were more likel…
/r/MensRights11/10/17 04:10 PM
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Please define the pills. Red and blue, there are plenty of resources to figure it out. Purple can be inferred. Black, I can guess. But solid definitions for the purposes of this thread would be helpful, even if it ultimately comes down to subjectivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 07:34 PM
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Infidelity is the ultimate deal-breaker for me. I don't care about his "resources" or "security". Cheat and it's over, no questions asked. I expect the same commitment I offer, and the same consequences of breaking that commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 02:17 PM
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The number of men who are loyal, loving, supportive, and who want to put in the effort to build something substantial are LOW. Citation needed. If you expect loyalty and long term love from any man you are likely to be disappointed. Citation needed. Relationships aren't a one way street, so I'd need extraordinary evidence that men are the problem. It is better to be financially and emotionally secure and also stable with some bouts of romantic happiness rather than risking it all for the "chance…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 05:10 PM
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I smile or nod at anyone who makes eye contact. That might be due to my southern upbringing, but it's simple courtesy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 02:19 PM
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Agree. Agree. Agree. Agree. Disagree. While I believe feminism has had an impact, it's unfair to give the movement all credit for progress. Agree. Disagree. This conflicts with point 4. Agree. Somewhat agree, but there are multiple parts to the statement that should be broken down if you're looking for an "agree/disagree" answer. The tone seems calm. 4 and 7 feel like a gotcha, and 9 could be argued as a trick question by lumping many concepts together without justifying their relevance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 04:52 PM
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Nowhere else can you so blatantly sexually objectify women. Truth, if you're one who believes in "sexual objectification(TM)". I like seeing what they'll do for a fucking dollar ROFL. Interesting perspective. Do you laugh at men who shovel shit for a dollar as well, or is it just a snipe at women? ;) It's still fun even without a happy ending, it's not too different than flirting for fun really. Fair 'nuff. I still don't see the appeal, but to each their own. Yes for not hookers their feelings a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:07 PM
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attention strippers get for being hot and feminine Given what I know of strip clubs, that's debatable. More likely is that strippers are immediately available if one has sufficient money, and that availability is the main attraction. I personally don't care what other women do to make money, but I fail to understand why men would pay for sexual tension without any promise of release, especially in the current age of the internet where quality porn is easily found for free. they however love to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 05:17 PM
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Strike three. Bye bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:36 PM
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Well, let's start with "honesty". How is that not concrete? How it it vague? Inspiring is irrelevant, and my question remains: is the statement incorrect? If so, how exactly, is it incorrect? Please provide details. Refuting a vague argument with another vague argument is ineffectual. I'll let that slide two times before concluding that the debate is not in good faith. Fair warning, this this your last chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:29 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:00 PM
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That might be true, but is the statement incorrect? If so, please explain why without resorting to ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:34 PM
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Honesty, maturity, accountability, and kindness are unreasonable expectations for men? That would explain a lot...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:26 PM
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How do you feel about these views? "Easier" and "easy" are not synonymous. Yes, women can get sex more easily because men desire it with such ferocity. But that doesn't mean it's easy, especially if you have standards. And a lot of the "women can get dick anytime, anywhere" comments tend to ignore that the vast majority of men won't fuck anything with a functioning vagina. So I sense a hint of hypocrisy in those views even though there's a nugget of truth. Does it change your perception of the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 01:56 PM
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Partially but not completely true. Attractive people get more slack, but depending on the actions even attractiveness might not be a sufficient crutch. Further, attractive is subjective, so it's hard to quantify to the point of making such a blanket statement in any meaningful way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 02:56 PM
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I'm here to amuse myself, but if someone changes any of my opinions, all the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 05:55 PM
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The only one who speaks for me with any authority is me. I'm not exactly a team player. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 06:41 PM
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Yup. Your argument and debate skills are so amazing that I cannot continue. I bow before your awesomeness, O great thinker. Or it's not worth my time. But it's totally the you're amazing part, I assure you. Feel free to respond so you can get the last word. I promise not to respond any further, and then you can feel like you've won. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:35 PM
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My questions have been answered. Thank you for not wasting my time. Good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:21 PM
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Is there an accepted definition of this scale? It's hard to discuss it if everyone has a different idea of what each level represents.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:20 PM
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My citation is this thread. Citations of one's self are generally frowned upon and mocked by those who participate in honest debate. And this is a CMV: the need for proof to check my view is on you. When folks are unwilling to even bother defending their view with anything remotely resembling evidence, it's safe to say they don't really want their view changed. So, are you looking to have your view changed, or do you just want to stubbornly argue with people? Unless you don't know how PPD works?…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:15 PM
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Citations please. Words are cheap, and you're the one making a claim. Therefore, it's your job to defend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 05:59 PM
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You have not provided sufficient evidence that your opinion represents the norm. Calling any other opinions exceptions without first justifying a baseline is disingenuous. Thanks for playing, please try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 05:53 PM
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We don't care. We're pretty happy where we are. This is the same generalization I see on basically every part of the spectrum. "Men are all X", "Women are all Y", etc... What seems to be ignored is that everyone is different, and that's objectively factual. Am I post-wall? According to TRP and science, yes, though only by a smidge. Do I care about this post-wall shit and do the claimed effects actually affect me? Nope. Am I happy where I am and with my life choices? Yup. Do I assume that feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 05:49 PM
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No. Though I'll give a guy shit if he orders a light domestic beer, between sips of my scotch with a splash of water. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 04:11 PM
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Stereotypes are there for a reason, I'll agree with that. The problem is the stereotype is applied to everyone with no concern about individual preferences or desires, and often taken to the extreme (ie. the narrative). You know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 02:25 PM
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Opinions and statistics are two very different things. Gathering statistics based on your opinion does not give them authority unless you can prove that your opinion represents something statistically significant, and more importantly, comparable. Otherwise it won't hold up to logical scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 06:48 PM
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I think there are far, far more, "Where have all the good women articles". Okay. So I did a Google Trends comparison. I question your comparison choices. Please defend them, given that the men's side has no words relative to "where have all the good women gone" other than "women", which directly contradicts your opening statements. In fact, the comparison appears to be intentionally devised to produce the results you were expecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 06:39 PM
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Quality of sex is important, but let's differentiate a bit. You might have someone who just fails at sex categorically, someone who is inexperienced and needs some help, or someone who might be good but doesn't fit your preferences. The latter two can be trained, and unless all you're looking for is a quick lay, it's worth making the effort. Bad sex doesn't necessarily mean a bad partner, and dismissing someone after a single encounter could be a huge mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 05:38 PM
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Not familiar, will check, thanks for the reference. That said, I favor sub, but the occasional dom is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 05:17 PM
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Attraction and teasing are two very different things. For attraction, I've found form-fitting clothing hits the sweet spot, provided one's form is suitably attractive. For teasing, I'm not sure this is an appropriate sub to elaborate. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 05:14 PM
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My gut reaction is to say yes, but please define "freeuse" in terms of sex for me. I'd rather not get trapped in a losing statement. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 05:08 PM
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True. But freedom gives one the ability to better pursue happiness, if one is so inclined.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 04:59 PM
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Indeed! I have better and more consistent subs for such things, though I've not been silent in my opinion that open and public sexuality would benefit everyone. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 04:46 PM
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That would get into NSFW territory, I think (hope). ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 04:42 PM
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Is that a bad thing? Having a fair baseline for policies strikes me as completely reasonable, and depending on specific needs (firefighters, for example) the baseline can be adjusted such that only exceptional individuals from a demographic can objectively meet those needs. It's only a problem when legitimate requirements are made simpler for political purposes at the cost of practical results.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 04:32 PM
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What makes anyone think women need men for anything? It fits the narrative. "Girls are most interested in love" is a media trope. "Sex without commitment is abhorrent to women", is not an unusual belief. "Women all want to have babies" is common just about everywhere, including socialized opinions. "Women aren't complete without a man", is equally common. And of course, the "Women must acquire a man's resources and sperm to be happy" trope of TRP should be obvious. God forbid a woman suggests sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 04:21 PM
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I don't know any women like that. The ones I know are either married with children and appear happy, or unmarried and satisfied with their life choices. Personally, I'm in the latter group. Perhaps it's less a matter of stereotyping all women to be obsessed with love and babies, and more a matter of the stupid ones writing articles like this after they make life decisions that they regret.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 02:18 PM
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I recall in older Ninja Warrior episodes an obstacle that greatly favored leg length in the first stage. Shorter men and women overwhelmingly failed it. However, changing that obstacle to fit everyone would make it overwhelmingly easy for taller folks and thus reduce the challenge such that more made it to the second stage. In terms of arm strength, I'm on the fence. While women have lower arm strength on average, they also have an equivalent lower body weight that offsets the difference (again,…
/r/MensRights25/07/17 03:45 PM
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Do you ever find yourself grossed out by the kind of stuff men will think about or do to get their rocks off? Not particularly. Do you have any especially controversial examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 06:06 PM
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For example, women currently have more control over reproductive rights than men do. Which is by law, not by nature. They get to choose whether or not to have a child, and then whether or not they will come after the man for child support. Again, by law, not by nature. Should men have a right to decide if a child is born? Ever? Given that a child is created by two people (a man and a woman), I can't in good conscience say yes. That said, there are many gray areas, and rather than making a blanke…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 05:56 PM
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I'm curious just how common that situation is. There's a lot of mention of it, but actual statistics seem sparse. If any one has numbers, I'd be most appreciative.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 05:34 PM
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I think people in general are becoming accustomed to having things handed to them, which I suppose can be described as lack of maturity. But it's not specific to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 03:31 PM
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Women (straight ones, at least) are biologically programmed to find at least some men attractive. All evidence suggests that is the case. In the West, they're raised in a culture that places a high value on finding long-term romantic companionship. True. And then there's simple social pressure -- when she reaches the point in her life when nearly all of her friends are in long-term relationships or getting married, basic psychology suggests she's going to feel some pressure to do the same. Yes. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 08:20 PM
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You have my sympathy. If I don't want to cook I can spit in any of five directions and hit a place that serves brunch 24/7 here. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 07:47 PM
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Define TRP, please. If it's the concept of viewing the world as it is rather than what you want it to be or what society tells you it should be then yes, it can be used ethically and I'm totally on board. If it's about bettering oneself for purposes of having a better life in general and a better love life specifically, then yes again, and I'm still on board. If it's about getting laid, things start to get murky because the methods one might use to get laid could be considered unethical if decep…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 07:41 PM
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I buck all trends and go for nerdy types because we have more in common. According to stereotypes the physical bar is rather low for me, provided you can keep up with technical lingo. Bring it on. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 07:31 PM
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Well, you succeeded in making me think about an adult beverage. -10 points for ESP, +100 points for promoting happy hour. ;D
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 07:20 PM
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If you can tell me what I'm thinking and/or feeling at the time of this post, I'll believe you. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 07:11 PM
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But these are human beings. Yes, and the ones I can't remember were fully aware that it was a quick bit of fun. I'd wager they've forgotten me too. Maybe I respect you more than you respect yourself? I find that quite hard to believe given that I'm me and you're a random person on the internet. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 06:58 PM
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36 female, probably in the upper 20s if N-Count refers to unique individuals. WTF? You don't know how many? I don't keep a score card. Perhaps worse, you cannot recite the names of the people you had PIV with? Worse? Sorry, but I don't treat my vagina as some magic temple with a sign-in sheet. It's a hole made out of skin with two purposes: penis goes in, baby comes out. As long as I avoid the second purpose and the first purpose doesn't result in some annoying disease, entry is rather flexible.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 06:46 PM
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If we agree that reliable data, and thus evidence, is out of the question, I'll echo LSTW1234: what would it take to change your opinion? Because this very much becomes a difference of opinion, and in my experience even extraordinarily strong evidence fails to change opinions much of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 06:10 PM
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Without any way to gather reliable data, the claims are equally suspect and for the same reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 05:43 PM
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Beyond sheer speculation (which is also likely to be inaccurate and a misrepresentation) do you suggest older women's "true feelings" be measured?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 05:38 PM
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That our "need" for sex/physical intimacy/validation is a running joke to the segment of the population that takes its for granted. It's not intended to offend, of course. Again, I feel that the problem is not fully grasping how much of a need it may be. Our needs dont matter, since she can get another guy juat as good or better easily, so she doeant care about making the guy happy unless hes way higher value than she is. That's bullshit, at least for me, and again no offense intended. Could I g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 05:32 PM
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Well, if it helps, the idea that men only care about sex or are so enamored with it that it's a huge part of their lives is well known and understood by the women in my social circle. However, it's a running joke as opposed to an attribute that's taken seriously. So I'd lean more toward not fully understanding the impact of sex on a man's life rather than feigning ignorance. Not caring is a distinct possibility, but I'd need to broach that subject with my friends before making any claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 04:37 PM
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If that's the case, I'd wonder if men who make claims about women's happiness aren't projecting. And conversely, women could be projecting as well in not understanding the impact of sex on a man's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 03:47 PM
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For men I'd have the same question in relation to happiness. Can a man not be happy without regular sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 03:39 PM
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Single ladies, convince me you are happier alone than you would be with an Alpha-Bucks man. I doubt that I can, because it seems like your opinion is already set in stone. However, if I were so inclined, I'd start with the Socratic method where the topic of questioning leads toward "why is being with a man such a critical part of a woman's existence in your mind?" I find it odd when people imply that I can't be happy without consistent access to alpha dick and a beta's resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 03:29 PM
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I think your original question was fair, which is why I bothered to answer. I also think it was disingenuous given subsequent responses. If you don't want to debate in good faith, which seems to be the case at this point, then I'm done here. Good day to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 03:36 PM
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Which is irrelevant. I can't make that any clearer. You asked about rights and responsibilities, not whether one individual dictating responsibilities is fair. I answered the question as asked. If you want a better answer, ask a better question. I'm happy to discuss options for men after conception. I agree that men get shafted in that situation. But at this point I feel like your original question was little more than a "gotcha".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 03:20 PM
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Apparently I'm missing a legitimate reason for responsibilities to dissolve when one doesn't want them. Again, if you want to discuss equality after conception (eg. LPS), that's a different question than the one you originally asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 03:05 PM
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But from the perspective of just the woman. No, from the perspective of the man, as this was the question that was asked. I can only work with the information I'm given, otherwise assumptions will be made. It's possible the question didn't accurately reflect what the OP really wanted to talk about, but that's not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 02:34 PM
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You are still equating unilateral decision making AFTER a mutual decision to have sex, with equality. and your only answer is "man up" I'm equating nothing. A very specific question was asked, and I gave an answer using the provided information. I'd rather not assume that the question was a bait and switch where after any reasonable answer the goalposts would be moved into an end-to-end equality argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 02:28 PM
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Do you still think he needs to pay for it? Unless there was any foul play involved (eg. he was raped or deceived into fathering a child), I think he needs to recognize that he'll be a father and act appropriately. Again, responsibilities. If you want to talk about options for men after conception, that's a different question than the one you asked. On a side note, for the sake of this discussion, are we assuming that only the man pays for a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 06:34 PM
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Why, if a female adult has the right to body autonomy, and decides to exercise that right to carry an embryo to full term and deliver a baby, should the male, if he did not want the child, contribute to the child's financial well being? Um, because by exercising his right to risk fathering a child, he now has a responsibility? Your question seems to imply that responsibilities are void if one doesn't want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 06:23 PM
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If someone else shoehorning you into a stereotype is personally limiting, you care too much about what others think. ;) If the stereotype is a prevailing opinion, that could be limiting in that you're immediately dismissed because of the stereotype, regardless of individual attributes. That said, it seems like AWALT is TRP's form of feminism's "toxic masculinity". It's equally absolute, equally over-simplified, and equally stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 08:04 PM
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They dismissed it QED
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 04:17 PM
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Well duh. Ask for advice from people who are successful at what you want to accomplish. That's common sense. Though let's be fair. Why are you dating? Is it to get some poon, or to find a suitable partner? "Dating advice" from women will focus on the latter, and men seem to obsess over the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 07:09 PM
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From a "utopia" standpoint, one of the thoughts I have involves two things: Eliminate any risk when having sex (ie. zero risk of pregnancy if so desired, and removal of STDs) Eliminate the stigma of sex as a social activity. With those in place, I'd wager women would "put out" more and men would be more satisfied. I know I'd be more inclined to bone random dudes if there weren't life changing risks involved and nobody gave a shit. But the chances of this happening are rather slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 06:55 PM
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Same here, though general speech and logic rarely meet cleanly. For a logical AND, I'd argue more aggressively because removing agency is a far stronger claim than simple manipulation. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 05:54 PM
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Which is why I asked, because manipulation is a constant in the real world. Marketing, for example, is almost entirely about convincing people to purchase things they otherwise might not. The difference is force versus persuasion, and in the case of persuasion I can't agree that it somehow strips people of their agency. Personal opinions on PUA/TRP aside, I've seen nothing that suggests they don't work within the system such that any result could be called "force" or a stripping of one's agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 05:49 PM
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Just to clarify, is "manipulate and strip women of their agency" a logical AND or a logical OR for the purpose of this discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 05:39 PM
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If we're talking about a "success fantasy", do you think about the end result or the path? I think about the end result and tailor the path to meet that result rather than the other way around. If the discussion is about motivations, that wasn't made clear in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 03:24 PM
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If we're shoehorning characters into pre-existing archetypes then that changes matters because those archetypes could have unintentional bias. If we're analyzing the characters fresh, there's more wiggle room. So which is it? Assuming the latter, I'd argue that motivations are irrelevant if the end result is basically the same and the protagonist is happy. The question was about success, not the process toward success.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 02:41 PM
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How are those not the same story? The protagonist gains the power to change their life and acquires a desired partner. We can debate methods, but the end result is largely the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 02:29 PM
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I often also wonder which sex is emotionally the strongest. Who walks away the easiest from relationships, men or women? I'd argue it's individual rather than gender based. The one who walks away easiest is the one who expected the least. Men and women can both have expectations of a relationship and be devastated when those expectations don't pan out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 02:25 PM
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I think you forgot the /s tag. ;) And if you're serious, I'll need some time to figure out where to start with a reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 06:48 PM
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I suppose I'd be purple pill, age 36. I think benevolent sexism is stupid. Sexism is sexism, whether it's beneficial or detrimental. But I also think that tying an action to sexism is incredibly difficult. Is it sexism, or are you just whining about not making the cut, for example. I was raised to pull my own weight, and I live that way. Nobody matters until they earn it, and to this day I don't feel like I've been held back by what's between my legs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 06:35 PM
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I probably "give up sex" (whatever that's supposed to imply) easily, but the term pump and dump would be a little offensive if I were inclined to take offense. ONS or casual sex mean the same thing, and are more pleasant terms. I guess it's all about how you phrase things. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 06:04 PM
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Maybe sex is not the only thing they look for but they still enjoy it as a pleasurable, therapeutic activity. The problem is there seem to be ulterior motives applied without just cause. Sex is great in and of itself; I don't need to go through a mental spreadsheet of genes and non-sexual qualities before deciding I want some dick. On the flip side though, women who enjoy sex also seem to be maligned as sluts. So it's a catch-22 of how much can we participate in this enjoyable activity without r…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 05:48 PM
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It's almost like sex feels really good for women too, and we're not just thinking about babies and resources. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 05:06 PM
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You women claim you don't get anything out of it except (sometimes) good sex, and that's not satisfying. You claim you really want relationships with these guys. You claim you get no validation out of it. I claim nothing of the sort. Casual sex is casual for a reason, the goal is the sex. If it turns into something more, that could be a benefit, but nobody in their right mind would assume anything will fall out of casual sex other than a good time in the best possible case.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 04:21 PM
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I can only speak for myself, but I find them fascinating and erotic. They can grow and shrink by huge amounts in seconds, and when hard give off the vibe of barely restrained masculine power. It's more mental than physical (I'm connecting with another person rather than just getting myself off), though there are aspects of a penis that cannot be adequately simulated such as the warmth, the throbbing, the way skin feels, and of course being attached to an actual human where a toy is incomparable.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 11:06 AM
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Probably. Though I'd wager those studies are a bit more nuanced than TRP narratives. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/17 02:27 PM
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I think the argument is that men are more likely to think rationally Which is also an oversimplification, to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/17 02:23 PM
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Tinder Culture: Women are just totally fed up with "hooking up" Tinder is the online analogue to bars. While I don't disagree with you, I'm not sure the Tinder culture has somehow collectively caused us to dry up unless there's something else involved. ;) The PUA "movement" created so many aggressive guys in high school I would be quite surprised if PUA is well-known enough on both sides (men and women) to be actively considered. FYI, women have been on guard against players far longer than PUA …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/17 06:11 PM
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Because you seem to think we are just magically WAY smarter now because there are way more people now than there were 100 years ago. I'm not sure where you got that impression. Like feelings, intelligence is irrelevant when focusing on straight numbers. But you think we will just rationally do the right thing. Please quote where I even remotely implied this. If I somehow haven't made a consistent argument, I'll be happy to apologize and correct it, but I don't see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/17 01:56 PM
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Why the fuck do you think we do all this? I don't presume to have an answer. Men and women the world over act the same ways because of "muh social construct?" Tradition is a thing: "we do it this way because we've always done it this way". I'm not sure why you're so salty, because it seems like my option 1 is what you're going for, which I already said I think is reasonable and largely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/17 01:34 PM
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Feelings don't enter the picture when we're talking about numbers, unless you'd like to introduce them. But moving the goalposts by providing insufficient information and then adding it when you get a reply you don't like is unfair. If you want to claim that this evolutionary imperative remains instinctual even after it's no longer numerically relevant in toto, that's reasonable, and we'd agree. If you want to claim that humans are intentionally shitting on men "because wombs valuable, yo!", eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/17 01:21 PM
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Context matters. While I don't deny the premise, it's only relevant for small populations. When you get into the billions, with an adequately even split between the sexes, the rationale becomes far less persuasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/17 01:03 PM
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Isn't that the definition of a sniper?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/17 01:50 AM
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One person does not a group make. Personally, I think men flock to TRP as a community because it gives them the freedom to not walk on eggshells all of the time and offers hope in our shitshow of a world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 07:13 PM
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"Let's not be mean to women I'm sure men do it too." I'll happily defend things I actually say, but not what goes through someone else's translation algorithm. Why does it matter whether men do it or not? Allow me to turn the question back on you for an equally unrelated point which ignores the whole picture. Women "manspread" too, but why does it matter? The point is that men do it, and that's what matters. Right? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 05:32 PM
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Um...never. I've seen folks where I wonder if they are or why they're not a model, but "stunned" is pushing it. ;) I still don't understand the obsession with boobs, and probably never will. As such, I can't honestly make a comparison with something I don't understand. Sorry. Concerning #2, I can appreciate a well-built body, but I've also been attracted seemingly randomly to "normal" or "nerdy" guys. There's no one trait that I can identify which is definitely attractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 04:49 PM
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I don't disagree with the study, at least based on the abstract (other than using the term "individuals" when the sample set is clearly women only). This strikes me as a universal trait. However, without a corresponding study with men as the target group, I don't think we can make any solid conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 04:40 PM
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I think "true" love would be sticking with someone even after there's no quantifiable reason to do so. The whole "when we're old and gray, I still want you by my side" attitude constitutes true love for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 03:39 PM
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Indeed. Words are cheap, actions speak louder than words, give me a pen and I might stab you in the eye, etc... ;) It's unfortunate that mere words are given so much power these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 06:50 PM
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it's more of "no one cares about men's problems" I'd go further and say no one cares about problems that don't affect them either directly or indirectly. We're selfish creatures, and while empathy/sympathy are a hallmark of intelligence, it only goes so far. I care about men's issues because I can imagine the dystopian end-game of not doing so. If it helps someone along the way, all the better toward making me feel like a decent human being. But I make no claims that the well being of myself and…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 07:42 PM
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I do not buy into the original webcomic's assessment that this problem exists because of PatriarchyTM or "muh gender rolez". I don't even buy into the problem. This situation is old news to me, and the -1 frame is either the man asking to help or actively helping as someone knocks on the door, and the woman saying something along the lines of "I've got this, you go entertain our guests", or the reversal of roles where the woman entertains and the man keeps working. Without additional information…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 06:47 PM
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In answer to the question, yes, I do. I care about men's problems, and clearly fall into the "some" category, so any answer other than yes would be a lie. women who pretended to care about male issues only say what men expect them to say. That's probably true. Women who pretend to care will likely do so in a way that makes them seem like they genuinely care. The key word here is "pretend". The statement doesn't appear to recognize that there are women who aren't pretending.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 05:19 PM
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which can be addressed through a prenup For alimony, certainly. Does a prenup address child support in any way? Getting fucked on a divorce is a very valid fear Yes, and if I claimed or implied otherwise anywhere, please accept my apologies. Having large concerns over alimony and/or child support [...] should not vilify someone, or automatically assume this person has an "irreconciliable distrust of women." When stated like that, I would agree. Though when you introduce the variable of a man who…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 09:17 PM
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Um, did you intend to respond to me? Neither the OP nor any of my responses mentioned or implied a prenup. That's a different topic entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 08:25 PM
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if you go onto almost any MGTOW forum they have threads upon threads of how to "go Galt" Thank you, I'll see what I can find. "Go Galt" should be a good keyphrase to search on. It's not distrust as much as it is caution. And that's totally fair. Though is it not equally fair to wonder about the motives of that caution when it seems like my integrity is in question? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 01:35 PM
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Well if we stay within the parameters of the OP, she excludes the angry ones you see on the sub and forums. Given that condition I'd be willing to accept it. I've remained within the parameters of the OP this whole time, and my concern is the contradiction, nothing more. Taken at face value, I'm also willing to give this hypothetical MGTOW the benefit of the doubt, but the doubt remains. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 01:15 PM
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It's not "because vagina", it's because people in general are opportunistic, regardless of sex. So MGTOW have the same attitude and fervor toward any situation where there's risk of being taken advantage of? If so, that's consistent, but I'd ask for help in finding examples. Everything I've found is almost completely focused on women and relationships when it comes to risk factors. It's still equal anyway...he'd never ask you to marry him or have kids with him. I'm not sure I follow. The phrasin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 01:11 PM
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But it doesn't need to be a gender specific thing is what I'm saying. I agree, though for the purposes of this discussion, I'd ask for evidence that it's not very much gendered when it comes to MGTOW. I wouldn't be surprised to find gay MGTOW, but I would be surprised if they weren't a negligible minority. The metaphor you've used isn't really fair because you need a job to survive day to day The point was assumption that power would be abused, it wasn't intended to be a perfect comparison in al…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 12:54 PM
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That reasoning hinges on the assumption that having such power means there's a strong chance it will be abused. My employer could fuck me over by firing me at any time, but I don't assume they will. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying MGTOW are being paranoid or their concerns have no merit. My issue here is the hypocrisy inherent in the OP's question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 12:39 PM
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Then I asked them as a follow up question if they have ever rejected someone that ticked all those boxes and they said "Yea". As I recall, you neglected to ask me that followup and instead opted to abandon our sub-thread in favor of lower hanging fruit. So yeah, I'm also inclined to believe your mind was made up and there was no answer you would accept. I'm curious to see if you'll be equally difficult with the dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 12:17 PM
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I'm fine with not being married, and I don't particularly want children. However, the question is contradictory: never get married and actively remains childless so as to avoid alimony and/or child support payments he'd also treat women as equals in everything, including relationship responsibilities, conversations, disagreements, etc. and expect his partner to put in the same amount of work he does. If his reasons are exclusively or largely concern over alimony and/or child support then I can o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 11:53 AM
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I'm not hip on current mainstream advice, but my experience is women are generally advised to be more assertive in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 11:04 PM
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"All the time" is a falsifiable absolute, so with that qualifier I can't give any answer other than no. Otherwise, I'm afraid I cannot easily answer your question without more detail. Which advice are we talking about (just one point, a subset, or all of them from the OP), and what would be the equivalent advice for women, for purposes of discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 10:46 PM
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Does the final question in the OP suggest that one would terminate an existing relationship if all of the qualities are met? If not, then other people meeting those qualities are irrelevant if one is already in a relationship with someone meeting the qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 01:35 PM
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Well, to begin with, one side of a relationship cannot ensure that it's healthy. A relationship involves two people. The best one party can do is recognize if it's unhealthy and try to resolve it with discussion or terminate it. As far as what a healthy relationship involves, trust and respect across the board is a good start. That said, let's review the points mentioned: It's unhealthy if a woman is not allowed out clubbing with her girl crew while in a relationship This ignores one side of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 01:28 PM
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I think you may be confused, and apologies if it was my wording. "A best friend" doesn't necessarily mean a situation of being best friends and then evolving into a relationship because you both want to bump uglies. It means that the ideal for a relationship to me would be your partner can be described as a best friend and turns you on. So #1 isn't exactly a relevant question, and #2 is answered by the above. If you're asking for specific qualities that turn me on, that only applies to me, and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 12:49 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 12:36 PM
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No bullshit would be "a best friend whom I want to fuck". Anything else is extraneous nitpicking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 11:54 AM
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ranging from cardio to kettlebells That's not a wide range of equipment. That's like saying you have dumbbells from .5lb to 10lb. Anyone remotely interested in serious exercise will laugh. I go to a gym that trains competitive lifters because they don't bullshit me about "toning" or "cardio". As concerns women only gyms or classes, it's all insecurity in my opinion. God forbid someone of the opposite sex see you trying to better yourself. Again, my gym is unisex. In fact, the heaviest lifters ar…
/r/MensRights23/05/17 11:26 PM
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Removing peoples choices And this is where we seem to disagree. Again, pregnancy is a means to an end. You say child support is a means to an end, which I can't in good conscience argue against. The problem is the choice. And let us delve deeper because you seem to think I'm applying a double standard. Child support is not a choice, it's a mandate. The mandate is controlled by a third party of those involved. Pregnancy is a choice. Two parties agree to engage in an act which could result in it, …
/r/MensRights23/05/17 11:08 PM
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Pregnancy is a means to an end. The woman in question is the vessel for that means. While I strongly disagree with the quoted statement in that gestating a child isn't tantamount to slavery, this comment seems to miss the mark as well.
/r/MensRights23/05/17 06:54 PM
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Is it achievable, sure. Is it common or normal enough to be called "regular"? I'd definitely ask for citations on that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 06:42 PM
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Where in the OP is a relationship implied? "Casual" sex, as clearly stated in the OP, suggests no relationship. And that's the perspective from which my question is derived. If you want to talk about relationships, I'm game, but technically it's moving the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 08:51 PM
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Last I checked, "focus" is not synonymous with "balance". Care to try again?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 08:47 PM
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That raises a question I have, which is "what's with the focus on sex?" Seriously, an amazing man could be a virgin and that doesn't make him any less amazing. Are men so fixated on women that sex is the end-all-be-all measurement for success?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 06:32 PM
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is it fair to say that men are more easily written off as whiners than women? Not particularly. Since "whiner" is also a subjective term, you can't make that claim without first clearly defining who's using the term and for what purpose. And at that granularity, it's pretty much useless for describing the effect on such a large demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 09:44 AM
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Because nobody makes poor decisions ever, and those that do must be terminated! :rolleyes: I get your point. Frivolous divorces are certainly a problem. Turning divorce into a minor choice ignores the gravity of marriage. But making it illegal, or punishable by death in particular, strikes me as hyperbolic at best. Is this your actual belief, or do you have a more practical solution to high divorce rates?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:27 PM
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That's a reasonable guideline, but still a guideline. Available funds are a thing, after all. I have a very good friend who makes not much money, so when we go out I cover for her because my goal is going out with my friend. Personally, I'd favor going dutch as the default. If there's a reason one party can't pay for whatever goes down, then it becomes a negotiation or a favor. Guidelines are a start, after all, and can be adjusted based on the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 04:56 PM
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Yeah. We have laws, and yet there are still criminals. We can get into situations where there's no choice but to resort to crime, but the fact remains that the presence of a law does not halt all crime the law punishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 04:45 PM
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You think it would happen more without laws? Laws don't deter criminals, they don't care beyond extra effort to get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 04:28 PM
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Well, it seems rather unfair to make a case as far back as cavemen thinking "me want sexy times and you have sexy holes, so me take what want". ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 04:08 PM
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I meant elaborating on "always". How far back can I go to disprove your claim that what people believe about the opposite sex has changed independent of laws? While laws don't change minds, time and evolving society does.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 03:43 PM
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the irrational belief that causes discrimination and prejudice does not go away because a law is made. Durr. Laws don't change how people think, they temper how people act by threatening unpleasant consequences. And women face just as much Sexism today as they always have. Care to elaborate? I'd say that "always" is an exceptionally strong word.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 03:30 PM
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Most women exchange dinner or drinks for sex. I hear this a lot. Do you have evidence that suggests dinner/drinks ends with sex with any statistical significance? If so, you might have an argument, though the next question would be if the goal was to trade the two. And if sex is treated as a commodity, why mightn't the woman choose to give it freely? The underlying assumption seems to be that women are loathe to have sex unless there's an exchange involved, which seems to include other assumptio…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 11:12 PM
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Agreed. I'd even say that anger should be addressed by a professional. If it reaches the point of hatred, that's really bad. But less focused anger can be redirected. For example, I have tough times at work and direct it into exercise. The anger helps push me harder toward a goal and the effort alleviates the anger. End result, I benefit from it, and nobody suffers from the pent up anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 11:01 PM
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Fwbs once they know their place Their place being what, exactly? Fair warning, depending on your answer, I'll ask what your place is. ;) are far more honest and filter less things than a girlfriend would I hate to break it to you, but girlfriends and boyfriends are still in the "I need to make a good impression" stage. It takes a while to get to the stage where, for example, you can fart in front of each other and laugh unless you're incredibly compatible. ;) Deception, even unintentional, is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 10:56 PM
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Anger is a great catalyst for self-improvement. But it's also understandably volatile. I rarely see anyone recommending ways to express anger in a way that can be beneficial; usually it's about somehow making it go away or just repressing it to the point that it ultimately boils over. TRP seems to encourage the latter, at least judging by the reddit sub's posts, which is unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 10:44 PM
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That's a reasonable perspective. But wouldn't it be the current social environment? I still don't see how the legal environment is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 08:47 PM
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I'm not sure I understand how the current legal environment encourages men to view women who choose to fuck as having more value. Could you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 08:10 PM
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Full disclosure, being sexy and charming can be a form of leverage in certain situations. Though I believe the amount we think about it and use it is greatly exaggerated (perhaps also the effect it has). I'm curious how subconscious you think this behavior might be.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 07:35 PM
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I agree, that is most unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 07:23 PM
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Cool, so we ("we" being the hypothetical people who might be attracted, of course) have a potential shared interest. And then? I'm still not convinced that lack of physical attraction will result in anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 07:21 PM
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It would be defining yourself on a very small subset of who you are and what you do (on the one hand sexual success and on the other men inherently being bad). Sorry, I thought it was obvious, but as the one writing the statement that's an easy trap to fall into.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 07:12 PM
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Boring guys don't even exist on most girls' radar. That's a fair interpretation. Boring guys tend to be guys who aren't noticeable. I'd argue that those same guys will largely ignore girls who don't fall into their attraction spectrum, and as a result could equally be argued as not existing. It has the only bearing on your sexual/relationship value, which is the point. Which is a shame, because it would be far more inspiring as holistic life advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 07:08 PM
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If a woman does this, she is wanting to be valued specifically for her sexual pleasure she can provide. You can't ask a woman about her reading or math abilities when she's rubbing your thigh in a bar. These women aren't drawing attention to other parts of them as a person. How might one attract others to reading or math abilities using nothing but visual cues while also not dissuading them from bothering with you in the first place? I'm genuinely interested, as going out in comfortable clothing…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:59 PM
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Barring certain parts I don't disagree. Granted it's from TRP, but for funsies let's look at those parts. ;) The reason women don't want to fuck you is because you are a nothing. Most people are nothing on the large scale. Really, unless you're in an especially influential position, you don't matter. I don't matter. Most people don't matter. Recognizing that is a first step to being comfortable with one's self, and building empathy for others. Also, women wanting to fuck you has no bearing at al…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:44 PM
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women are more or as visual than men. Citation needed. women like the sight of boobs and women's bodies. Look at men's magazines too. I'd need extraordinary evidence to agree that men and women aren't largely visual creatures who appreciate good looking specimens of their own sex as well as the opposite sex. we like sex! I can agree with this one. :) pregnancy and babies do not come naturally to all of us. Yep. Orgasms are essential for us. From a health standpoint or a satisfaction standpoint? …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:26 PM
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Is this wrong to do? Yes. To clarify, here's the situation you outlined: Person A: "Will you marry me?" Person B: "Yes." Person A: "Joke's on you, I don't want to get married." The more time you throw in between 2 and 3, the more hurtful it is to person B.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 05:07 PM
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A reasonable threshold of folks telling me to piss off has been reached, so I'll do so.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:59 PM
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"Do your own research" is an unfortunate response in a number of arenas. I appreciate the summary, and that's likely the best I'm going to get. For that, thank you.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:49 PM
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What a lame attempt at flipping the script. Not sure what script I'm supposed to be flipping here. See you could have gone the simple way of 'I am a journalist interested in this'. I'm not a journalist. That would be a flagrant lie. With the goal of finding out something about us that would have brought you the best data. No offense intended, but I refuse to apologize for not deceiving you into giving me the information I'm looking for. If you're offended by me being honest about my intentions, …
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:41 PM
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It's somewhat relevant, isn't it? I want to learn about MGTOW, but the M doesn't apply. Rather than lead you on in some weird deception, I got that part out of the way immediately.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:29 PM
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I'm honestly not sure what feminism is about at this point. I could make very uncharitable speculation, but unfortunately I don't have an answer to this one. :(
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:26 PM
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Not particularly. I have no interest in fame or attention.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:24 PM
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I don't care about you either. Really, how much can one care about strangers on the internet. ;) With that out of the way, are you open to an exchange of ideas? Even if it's you helping me change my mind or learn something new, is that not valuable?
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:23 PM
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I think they can be realistically justified, but in a vast subset of the cases that occur now. I'd like to see child support and alimony especially to be treated as exceptional rather than the norm.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:17 PM
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Reddit happened. Very quickly I saw the controversies and did research as well as spoke with others on the issues in question. Given the evidence, my beliefs have quickly been changing.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:13 PM
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I genuinely don't get the "nice guy" meme. Granted I was raised in an area where common courtesy is expected from everyone, but the nice versus not nice thing, to me, is less about the act and more about the situation. As concerns attraction, again I don't see any correlation. Attraction is largely physical unless we're talking about an existing friendship. So a "nice guy" in terms of someone who's a stranger but polite is just another guy, with potential for something more. A guy who ignores me…
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 03:04 PM
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If your goal is to understand MGTOW then I don't know what benefit you would get from people asking questions about YOU? As others have suggested, simply reading the threads here is enough to gain remedial understanding of MGTOW. But reading the threads also discourages women from going the extra mile. Really my purpose is questions like this which ask why I care, and hopefully building enough of a rapport to really understand as opposed to having just a superficial understanding, if that makes …
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 02:39 PM
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Most of my reddit effort is on r/femradebates, and MGTOW comes up occasionally. The concept intrigues me, and since I'm very much against uninformed opinions, I started doing research and more importantly, following this sub.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 02:29 PM
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I have no intention of debate. I may ask for clarification on something, but I'm here in good faith and fully respect your wishes. My concern is that reading the threads has generated an uncomfortable negative bias that I want to avoid. Hence, I'm engaging directly.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 02:23 PM
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I've been lurking, certainly. Also, I welcome responses from anyone in the anger phase unless that would harm their progression through the phases. I'm relatively new to the concept of MGTOW. If the advice is to walk away, I certainly respect that and will do so, though it would be unfortunate since I'd then need to glean understanding from lurking and interpreting rather than asking questions and getting solid answers.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 02:20 PM
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That's a fair question. I lurk on both subs and occasionally post on men's rights. My interest is in MGTOW specifically, so why not go to the source? Also, r/mensrights doesn't seem to have a particularly high opinion of MGTOW from what I've seen, and I feel their responses would be negatively biased. So you may not get the best responses here Again, fair. My goal is an understanding, nothing more. An AMA seemed better than just asking random questions as the latter could be perceived as condesc…
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 02:17 PM
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I can see where you're coming from...sometimes. Other times, I'm immediately turned off from posting in this sub because I feel I'd be attacked and run off immediately for the crime of being female. When "womyn so ebil!" is the takeaway after a cursory look at the sub, it's not unreasonable to assume that women have no interest whatsoever in engaging here. If you're open to an objective, logical, and genuine dialogue, bring it on.
/r/MGTOW27/04/17 06:44 PM
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I strictly believe that a man should not hit a women. Why? Please describe your rationale in detail.
/r/MensRights19/04/17 03:53 PM
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but all the really interesting programmers Hopefully you don't use "interesting" like I do, which often means "stupid". ;) The vast majority of programming is best implemented with the approach of keeping things simple and solid. When programmers under my supervision try to get clever, things break and customers get mad. I encourage the practice in a sandbox for learning/training purposes, and we review the really cool stuff as a team. There's a certain mindset which excels at software developme…
/r/MensRights28/12/16 05:52 PM
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I'm not sure if it's a defense tactic, legitimate belief, or just an accident of wording, but that article has an undertone of "men are naturally bad", where education is the solution. This causes me to wonder, what kind of education are we thinking about? Is it your classic three Rs, or more of an indoctrination style that we see in modern schools that seemingly strips any sense of masculinity? Further, assuming I'm not simply reading too deeply for my own good, does this inherently unfit for s…
/r/MensRights01/07/16 07:01 PM
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Wait...what? Seriously, what? Did I just read a pay gap conclusion from a study of children's allowance?
/r/MensRights03/06/16 04:54 PM
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I got a chuckle out of the Red Herring item. Cute.
/r/MensRights21/12/15 09:50 PM
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I notice that the policy doesn't define what constitutes withdrawal of consent. Defense lawyers will have a field day with ambiguity in the inevitable lawsuits should this proposal go through.
/r/MensRights07/07/15 02:08 AM
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That article is a fantastic read. Not for the purpose the author intended though, but as a beautiful example of situational irony. 10/10, would recommend. :)
/r/MensRights15/05/15 06:38 PM
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The two are not mutually exclusive. I see variations of this question as perpetuating an unhealthy perspective of prioritizing men and women's humanity. It's silly and often toxic.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 10:43 AM
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Or the automated guns which shoot anything that moves, day or night, without any hope of mercy.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 06:35 PM
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Duh. Who would appreciate suddenly being treated worse than usual? Men tend to be rough and tumble; women tend not to be used to that.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 06:27 PM
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A key that opens all locks is a GOOD KEY A lock that gets opened by all keys is a BAD LOCK That's a horrible analogy because it throws away every possible variable beyond the analogous one entering the other during normal operation.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 05:10 PM
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is that it will put off boys and men watching it I think that highlights another underlying problem. Why would it put boys off? The only good reason that comes to mind is boys want a male role model. However, that brings us to the distinct lack of female role models for the girls who are interested in these shows. If lack of a role model is a problem for boys, why is it magically not an issue for girls? and women won't be watching it because they have no interest in it I love Doctor Who too, and…
/r/MensRights08/03/15 04:57 PM
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I suggest anything over 5 is too much. Seems arbitrary to me. Why? And would the same number apply to men? If not, why?
/r/MensRights08/03/15 03:49 PM
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I only see one problem, and it has nothing to do with Angus (will it be Agnes? ;p) MacGyver being female. MacGyver is in the action/adventure genre with a healthy smattering of science. In other words, it caters to boys, where the average girl likely won't be particularly interested. Does the sex of the main character change the target audience so significantly? I don't think so. The problem is there is still an underlying barrier that changing the sex of the main character won't remove without …
/r/MensRights08/03/15 03:08 PM
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Last I checked, affirmative action only applied to things like color, sex, nationality, religion, and sexual orientation. Poverty is indeed an issue, but I wouldn't say it should be handled by telling schools and employers to prefer poverty-stricken folks in hiring and admission decisions over others. A better approach would be to correct the underlying problem rather than shove down everyone else for the sake of equality.
/r/MensRights07/03/15 02:50 PM
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As long as it's still recognized as legal tender, I don't much care who's face is represented. This whole campaign seems weird to me.
/r/MensRights07/03/15 02:30 PM
1

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a common complaint that equal opportunity should not be perceived as synonymous with equal outcome?
/r/MensRights07/03/15 01:55 PM
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Either can propose and either can reject the proposal. Men usually initiate a proposal, and women can either accept it or reject it. Given that men usually initiate, I'd say they are more of a gatekeeper to commitment than women in terms of beginning a marriage at present. In terms of ending a marriage, either party can do so. I'd question whether 'gatekeeper' is a good choice of term for ending a marriage when comparing to sex because you can't take back sex. Typically 'gatekeeper' defines entr…
/r/MensRights07/03/15 01:52 PM
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what do you think? Affirmative Action is inherently unfair as it introduces bias not based on merit. Personally, I'm against it.
/r/MensRights07/03/15 01:45 PM
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Thanks for the resources. I'll use them to correct my ignorance. Do you have any more?
/r/MensRights07/03/15 01:32 PM
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yes, it is a problem nowadays, and I don't mean neuro surgency, but usual stuff So...educated? Neurosurgery is a word, by the way. There's no need to split or hyphenate it. I am supporting traditional household chores. Which are? I would rather have a wife who is a great housewife and loves me, than a well-educated bitch, who cheats on me all the time. So...not educated? I'm sensing some contradiction here. Personally, I don't see how 'well-educated' somehow correlates to a bitch or a cheater, t…
/r/MensRights06/03/15 10:27 PM
1

It's well known that women receive a sentencing discount after being convicted of a crime. I'd say 'commonly believed' rather than 'well known'. Making a perfect comparison of crime details where the only difference is gender strikes me as difficult, if not impossible. So reversing the genders for any given crime is little more than a thought experiment. An interesting thought experiment, certainly, but results of it seem to be touted as fact fairly often. If we take that same 60% figure, approx…
/r/MensRights06/03/15 07:44 PM
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It doesn't say much at all without a citation for the statement. Though I could have fun with snarky and offensive interpretations of the title to respond with more than [citation needed]. Hey, let's do that. :) It says a lot that feminists are more offended and concerned by women not being served first in restaurants then they are about male homelessness or prostate cancer. I'm not offended by male homelessness, they can be homeless all they want and it's no skin off my back. Prostate cancer do…
/r/MensRights06/03/15 07:23 PM
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but they've never made it to any legislature Are you suggesting that voters and lobbyists have no effect on legislative decisions because they're not actually in the legislative body drafting laws? Hopefully not, because that would be a silly notion. so like, the unfair legal double standards against dudes were drafted and implemented by men, right? why does there always seem to be an emphasis on the blame game over just fixing those couple incongruities? Um. Pot and kettle? Seriously, when chas…
/r/MensRights06/03/15 07:08 PM
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What constitutes a 'REAL' problem?
/r/MensRights25/02/15 07:27 PM
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Sure you can. Any study can have faulty methodology or weak sample sets. I'm rarely convinced just by seeing a percentage, because it's super easy to massage numbers into producing a high percentage when the numbers themselves are statistically insignificant. For example, let's say a study reports that <insert negative thing> increased 200% in the last year. That's horrible, right? Not after you read the study and find that the increase was from 1 to 2 in a sample size of 10,000.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 04:45 PM
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That's a shame. I was interested in reading the study, not second and third hand reports of it.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 10:06 PM
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I'm having trouble imagining this request being made in good faith. But, since the topic is interesting and I like reading studies, I'll bite. I want you to refute the following,if you can While I certainly wouldn't ascribe to being a 'feminazi', your request is difficult as stated. Could you provide a public reference to the actual study? A quick web search seems to show some discrepancies that I'd like to compare with the original data points firsthand.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 09:11 PM
2

I'd also argue that menstruation products are optional, given that I can think of reasonable ways to get by without them. Very nice to have, but still not absolutely required to live and function. The petition seems very frivolous.
/r/MensRights19/02/15 05:01 PM
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It reveals a view on women as weak, child-like and dependent. Does it though? Making a case that depends on omniscience isn't likely to be either correct or received well. I don't, and can't, know why someone opens a door for me. Further, if I ask, it's extremely unlikely that I'll get an honest answer from those who think I'm weak and dependent. Finally, assuming the worst would make me the asshole.
/r/MensRights19/02/15 04:54 PM
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The killer for the article is this comment: In fact, don't show them to me and I'm likely to show you the door. There's a huge difference between appreciating gestures and requiring them. Legal and social equality doesn't preclude acting like a traditional gentleman or lady, it simply makes such actions optional. Barring that one sentence, I'm fine with the rest of the article; it would take quite a hard-ass not to enjoy little acts of special treatment from a loved one. I'd also like to see a c…
/r/MensRights19/02/15 04:45 PM
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I think that if women's issues improve, mens will as well. and vice versa. Raise one without hurting the other in cases where there's a discrepancy is a good policy. Too often the tactic is to lower one to make things fair for the lowest common denominator. This makes sense since there are limited resources, but it doesn't make the ones being lowered happy. It comes down to open mindedness, if presented with new data will you change your position? It's hard to admit when you're wrong. I've taken…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 02:08 PM
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If sexual fantasies from the graph explain those things for women, they also explain pedophilia, ephebophilia, the friend-zone, and familial rape (combining two data points) for men. Are those concerning as well? My biggest issue is taking a survey of sexual arousal questions and seemingly assuming that the results correspond to an equal frequency of people acting on those fantasies.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 01:16 PM
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It is a daily issue for me, and it does bug me and I do feel less safe because if it. I'm deeply sorry that you experience that. I have no doubt that experiences vary wildly and there are a huge number of variables involved. My concern is not to diminish anyone's experiences, but to recognize that those experiences are not universal. Applying a universal solution can result in draconian measures that are more harmful than helpful. I'll also note that my tolerance and interpretation of any attent…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 01:05 PM
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or give them a negative response This can be subjective. What I think is a negative response, you might not. Guys commonly complain that women give mixed or vague signals rather than clearly communicating. Women commonly complain that men are dense and can't read 'obvious' signals. There's an clear lack of communication and response happening on both sides. If you are getting no response, its safe to take that as a negative and move on. That's a good policy. If anyone, male or female, says somet…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 12:50 PM
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was in the fact that this is a daily issue for women, where most men dont experience it I'd challenge that fact. Street harassment is based on anecdotal evidence for one thing, which is very subjective. Further, I can counter with equally valid anecdotal evidence that I and my circle of friends don't experience it with any statistically significant frequency. I certainly don't discount that street harassment happens, and it certainly needs to be addressed, but I'm not convinced that it's the per…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 12:36 PM
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if ANYBODY makes sexual comments past the point where you feel uncomfortable, it should be stopped. Agreed, provided the line between comfort and discomfort is clearly communicated or otherwise well established. What one woman finds just fine might cross the line for another, and that's where the disconnect is. Men can't avoid crossing the line when they don't know where the line is, and when the only solution is to avoid any contact whatsoever, there's a fundamental problem.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 12:32 PM
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feminist here and a bit out of place... Me too. It's nice to see more of us interested in the other side. :) Im curious, what are your opinions on circumcision? I'm not religious, which strikes me as the largest barrier to stopping circumcision. The practice alone would be barbaric, but the rationalizations for it are just flat out ridiculous. So I'm against it, with the exception that a consenting adult can do whatever they want with their body. The problem is circumcising a non-consenting infa…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 11:17 AM
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Society depicts male genitalia as dirty and gross. Likewise with female genitalia. I think about this occasionally and came to the conclusion that it's largely caused by fear of kids experimenting with sex. To combat this parents have historically taught their children that their genitals are dirty, and as they grow older those lessons remained. Thus a societal perspective was propagated into what we have today.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 11:05 AM
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While women are "empowered" if they do it. The word 'empowered' always gave me a weird feeling. It holds the implication that women need to be given power or encouraged to self-actualize by making others step aside to allow them to do it. Regardless, there's an implicit assumption that women aren't able to do this without outside help. In practice 'empowerment' typically seems to be code for 'act like a stereotypical man'. I have similar feelings about 'strong and independent', in that the usual…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 10:56 AM
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Obvious to employees, but not employers. Employers want to spend as little money as possible for maximum profit. If they can cut wages "for equality!" then I can't see them not making that choice unless they expect a significant backlash that would ultimately cost more money than was saved.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 01:30 PM
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But I feel like there is a lot of selection bias from the posts I have seen. That's par for the course with any political or social group. Lots of mud slinging, and you need to separate the wheat from the chaff yourself.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 12:08 PM
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So is masculinism a real thing now? I thought it was a poorly constructed spoof word to correspond with feminism while MRM was the actual movement.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 12:05 PM
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So you agree that sex appeal plays a role? Please clarify your point, as I'm no longer confident I interpreted it correctly. Are you saying that women intentionally dress to flaunt sex appeal the majority of the time? Or are you saying that fashion is based on sex appeal (which is true) and women either consciously or subconsciously feel pressure to conform to the socially accepted fashions (which is also true)? I disagree with the former to a certain extent, and if that's not what you meant, I …
/r/MensRights12/02/15 11:55 PM
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...but why? Why are they comfortable, or why are they more fashionable? Assuming you mean the latter, women's fashion relies on the female form, as I'm sure you're aware. Much as I'd love to wear baggy clothes like dudes have the pleasure of, a reasonably tight hoodie and long skirt is about as casual as it gets for comfortable public clothing (which I take full advantage of). Comfortable or not, women frequently wear things like this to get men's attention, and you're lying if you won't admit t…
/r/MensRights12/02/15 11:17 PM
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It's like walking around shouting "look at me" everywhere you go. Or...they're comfortable and more fashionable than sweatpants and a hoodie. :rolleyes: I'm OK with there being places where things like letting people concentrate are valued more than free expression via fashion. Like...public? Because unless I'm missing something, that's the place this proposed ban would apply.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 10:17 PM
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Does it really matter? It does, quite a lot. If you raise hypothetical situations to attack women (or feminism, for those who choose to make the distinction) then is that any different from things like Schrodinger's Rapist or the poisoned M&M thought experiment?
/r/MensRights12/02/15 10:00 PM
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Not that I'm a fan of Elam, but my impression from stuff like this (granted, I only skimmed the article) is falling back on ad hominem when more ethical argumentation has failed.
/r/MensRights06/02/15 01:25 PM
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Color me confused. Doesn't the media already treat rape allegations the majority of the time as if the alleged rapist has already been tried and convicted?
/r/MensRights06/02/15 01:18 PM
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The two need not be mutually exclusive.
/r/MensRights05/02/15 01:23 PM
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So I don't exist? How existential. ;)
/r/MensRights04/02/15 08:39 PM
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I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings. My intention was to highlight that there's a broad range of quality in the content of this sub, nothing more. I see from the vitriolic reaction that I could have described it better, or at least censored myself to the point where nobody would take offense. I'll be careful to do so in the future, if I choose to continue posting in this sub.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 08:09 PM
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If being questioned on their views is enough to "chase them away", then these people were never here in "good faith" to begin with either Sorry, I fail to see coming out with guns blazing as questioning my views. You asked no questions, you simply assumed the worst. I'm afraid you're in no position to talk about acting in good faith. pretty sure coming here and calling men's rights issues petty grievances and "whining" already demonstrates a lack of "good faith" And here is the crux. If you tell…
/r/MensRights04/02/15 07:25 PM
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And this is a prime example of picking a fight. Thank you.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 05:25 PM
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Alienating people is a great way to fail at advocacy. I imagine there are two types of feminist who would visit this sub: Those with an open mind who could be valuable allies. Those looking for ammunition to attack you. By not taking the feelings of others into account, you risk driving away those in group #1, thus losing what they might have offered, and giving those in group #2 exactly what they wanted.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 03:55 PM
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I am curious if there are any feminists reading and commenting in this forum Yes. what you think of the discussions here They vary wildly. Some are good in that legitimate problems are highlighted and I learn. Some are bad, with little more than whining and petty "issues". All in all, it's not much different from most forums except the moderation is comfortably lenient, and that's why I stick around. Groups that aren't "officially" afraid to hear dissenting opinions deserve a chance. Do you find…
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:34 PM
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I suspect you misunderstood what I wrote, because it certainly wasn't any implication to the contrary.
/r/MensRights29/01/15 11:40 PM
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Here's a counter-question: how can a man not be raped by a woman? When the conversation invariably goes into men being physically stronger, you can drive home the point that men can be incapacitated or coerced without the involvement of physical violence. That alone opens up a number of concrete examples.
/r/MensRights29/01/15 03:46 PM
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That actually does answer my questions, and your concern for my valuable time is very much appreciated. Good day to you sir. :) p.s. I'm assuming 'sir' is accurate from your posts thus far. If that's incorrect, I do apologize.
/r/MensRights16/01/15 08:40 PM
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I have nothing because I've made no claims. Well, other than your original rant being sexist drivel, but that needs no corroboration. Men invented 99% of everything of any significance. Please define "significance" for the purposes of your demand. Also, is an invention a hard requirement or do you accept discoveries, notable assistance, and such? "Show me evidence" when the terms are open to interpretation screams that you plan to dismiss anything I take the time to list with a nitpick. I'm just…
/r/MensRights16/01/15 08:13 PM
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Keep living in your world of delusion and see how far it takes you. I'm curious what you think my "delusions" entail given that I haven't voiced them. I've been successful in life with the way I think, have you? Yes, very much so. Thanks for asking. :)
/r/MensRights16/01/15 07:44 PM
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I'd disagree with that. You're certainly free to speak in terms of the action itself, but it's not incorrect to say that the right may be oppressed in terms of fear of consequences. Anyone who's had a professor with very strong views and was believed to unfairly use grading against anyone who challenged them would likely feel their right to speak was oppressed.
/r/MensRights16/01/15 07:32 PM
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If being a genius comes down to someone 'mentoring' you, then WHO is mentoring the mentors? Ignoring the silliness of the actual question as well as the obvious answer, I agree with the (hopefully) implied point that genius isn't about education as much as it is about creativity and the ability to understand. Women will forever be baffled because they cannot even comprehend how a man thinks. Well, I'm certainly baffled by how you think. I guess my weaker mind just can't comprehend your thought p…
/r/MensRights16/01/15 07:16 PM
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Only a tiny fraction of people in any field could be classified as "genius". If not being a genius prompts someone to leave the field, they shouldn't have been there in the first place.
/r/MensRights16/01/15 06:00 PM
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the "wage gap" implies that male employers want to save money by paying their female employees less than the males. Does it though? One could also say that employers don't believe women can do the job as well as men and thus pay them less wherever possible. Under that premise, why would an employer hire a majority of supposedly less competent women and risk loss of profits through decreased quality? I can almost guarantee that one of the first counter-arguments you get will involve internalized …
/r/MensRights15/01/15 04:45 PM
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I can't imagine it being said much worse. It's excusing bad behavior by suggesting that women are unable to overcome hormonal urges. Since reversing the genders is a popular counter-argument, let's do that here and imagine basking in the shit storm of trying to excuse something heinous like this done by a man. Call a spade a spade, and say that it's horrible people doing horrible things for selfish reasons.
/r/MensRights12/01/15 06:36 PM
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That seems like an exceptionally offensive statement, given that the affirmative consent laws are rife with a disturbing lack of good faith that the accused (and let's be fair, we may as well say "the man") might possibly be innocent.
/r/MensRights06/01/15 08:35 PM
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Can't solve it? Well here's the goddamn answer, because the wage gap doesn't fucking exist. I don't believe any significant wage gap exists due to discrimination, but your answer (no offense intended) is simple minded. So why aren't women the only workers in the entire industry of the Earth. Because grade school arithmetic says that it's impossible even if we take away the myriad variables that go into a hiring decision as well as market availability of candidates for a job.
/r/MensRights14/12/14 02:32 PM
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My main is a necromancer. Care to analyze my psyche through class choice? ;D
/r/MensRights13/12/14 07:29 PM
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Ignoring the ridiculousness of analyzing a submission-based comedy list like the Darwin Awards and applying it to humanity as a whole, and also ignoring the obvious reason why there are so few female nominees[1], I see an immediate and disturbing trend. The tendency to latch onto this farce of a study and spin it as "men are idiots" is a form of "othering", which is a common first step in any universal attack on a group intended to avoid feelings of guilt in the "norm" group. [1]: The obvious re…
/r/MensRights13/12/14 10:37 AM
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Violence begets violence. I'm fairly confident that throwing punches or whatnot would likely result in emotional abuse quickly escalating to physical abuse. Further, initiating violence is a good way to open yourself to the wrong end of legal action. Speaking of legal action, do you feel the current justice systems are insufficient for handling bullying? If so, we might have a good debate on how best to improve those systems rather than focus on variations of "I should be able to punch people wh…
/r/MensRights12/12/14 09:45 PM
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There are times it's okay to hit someone, in my opinion. Some are even codified into law. Your examples are not any of them.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:34 PM
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The caveat is problematic. If not all women are like this, then claiming it's a biological instinct can be challenged. More likely is an implicit assumption that "subtle" signals will be correctly interpreted and acted on. In my experience, guys either don't recognize the signals (a minority), aren't willing to risk misinterpreting the signals, or simply aren't interested. The problem I see is these subtle signals are too subtle or too easy to misinterpret. But saying that there's a "pretty priv…
/r/MensRights11/12/14 04:56 PM
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I'd imagine the big deal is performing a largely cosmetic surgical procedure with dubious health benefits on a child that cannot consent to it for the sake of tradition.
/r/MensRights10/12/14 02:37 PM
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With a few qualifiers, that sounds like my kind of man. :D
/r/MensRights29/11/14 01:46 PM
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It's not sexist to recognize biological truths. Men are physically stronger than women on average. One thing to note is that physically overpowering someone is only one method of coercion. It doesn't take great leaps of imagination to think of many ways a woman can technically rape a man without having to be stronger. Even then, it's far from impossible to restrain someone vastly stronger. A lot of martial arts grappling techniques begin with that exact premise. The concept that a woman can't ra…
/r/MensRights29/11/14 01:22 PM
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I really do not even know what to think about all of this rape stuff these days. Honestly, I think the current state of affairs is stupid and insulting to actual rape victims.
/r/MensRights29/11/14 01:01 PM
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I totally do not think it is and honestly rape gets thrown around these days so much it really has been watered down. I agree with you from the information given in your post. This is my outsider's perspective though: I'd wager MRAs calling it rape are doing so tongue in cheek because reversal of the genders would probably find an overwhelming majority doing exactly that. Affirmative consent must be applied universally, or it's nothing but a farce.
/r/MensRights29/11/14 12:49 PM
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But the fact that the dictionary of whatever program they are using doesn't recognize that word shows that men's issues are not taken as seriously as women's issues. Allow me to butcher a quote: "don't attribute to malice or ignorance that which can be attributed to technical prudence". I've written spell and grammar checkers before, and loading the entirety of the unabridged English dictionary as a source is prohibitively expensive both in storage and search costs. On mobile devices the costs a…
/r/MensRights11/09/14 01:35 PM
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Agreed. I haven't met a feminist who isn't in favor of more birth control options. I'm sure they exist, but it seems they're in the vast minority.
/r/MensRights10/09/14 10:08 PM
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I'm most interested in civil discussion, but you've neatly answered my question about being welcome. I'm clearly not. Thank you, and good day.
/r/MensRights03/09/14 05:50 PM
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The analogy holds up just fine. Please explain. If it were so obvious that "nuh uh!" is a sufficient response, I wouldn't have bothered offering that perspective in the first place. It is ludicrous to suggest that women should be encouraged to be as careless as the person who refuses to lock her front door when she goes to work in the morning. I think you may not have fully grokked the content of my post, particularly the part that agrees with you. You would do well to educate yourself on the is…
/r/MensRights03/09/14 05:13 PM
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I mean, would we ever hear something like this: “I am sure the companies that make locks for doors are well-intentioned, but forcing me to put locks on my front door excuses the burglar of responsibility for his crimes.” No, that would be ridiculous. Just as crying "victim blaming" for rape by a stranger is ridiculous when reasonable preventative measures are suggested. I don't walk alone in unsavory areas. I carry a gun and remain aware of my surroundings. I keep an eye on my possessions and do…
/r/MensRights03/09/14 02:29 PM
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It's sad that objectification is a thing at all. Maybe my mind is too logical, but we're all objects in this world and it's not reasonable to expect sexual attraction with no other available information to be inherently wrong. I totally objectified my current boyfriend initially. If that weren't the case, I wouldn't have bothered talking to him in the first place because it would mean there wasn't any attraction. Deeper human contact is for after attraction brings two people together.
/r/MensRights25/08/14 08:46 PM
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I laughed. :)
/r/MensRights25/08/14 08:43 PM
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Zero valid reasons beyond "I like it this way", tons of eye candy to distract from the lack of substance, and an opinion piece stated as fact. That's what I call good journalism. /s
/r/MensRights26/07/14 10:39 AM
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I don't disagree, but only because I'm somewhat ignorant about the "little to no consequences" part. In my experience at least, all actions have had consequences equivalent to the action. What I disagree with is the leap from "women that are not trustworthy..." to "[all women] are a second class citizen".
/r/MensRights24/07/14 01:49 PM
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Thanks for the clarification. And thanks for the warm welcome...
/r/MensRights23/07/14 09:32 PM
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Why should a man make himself available for that kind of abuse? I agree. Remember that choice thing I brought up in my first reply? That applies here too. If you feel you're being abused or taken advantage of, you're under no obligation to keep doing it. You're also under no obligation to do it in the first place. Do you disagree? You are trying to generalize this issue to all interactions when the OP specifically narrowed it to man-woman interactions. From the OP's perspective, man->woman/man->…
/r/MensRights23/07/14 06:15 PM
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Do you do it because it's the right thing to do, or do you do it because you want some kind of recognition? If it's the latter, it sounds less like being a good person and more like being an egotist. Which is fine, really. The motive is irrelevant if the end result is positive, but reversing the role such that you're the entitled one (entitled to praise for good deeds) isn't any better than feeling entitled to receipt of chivalry. As far as being taken for granted, being chivalrous doesn't mean …
/r/MensRights23/07/14 03:31 PM
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She said stop, and you didn't stop. While I personally would only call that douchey and inconsiderate rather than rape, the legal system will likely disagree. If it goes that far, get a good lawyer and hope for the best.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 03:14 PM
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Chivalrous behavior really is a beautiful thing, but it's wasted on those who feel entitled to it. I disagree. Being a good person isn't contingent on receiving gratitude. When you're genuinely interested in helping a fellow human being, the help itself should be all the reward you need. Even if someone feels entitled to your chivalrous actions, that doesn't change the positive effect of those actions. It's only a problem when those who feel entitled demand that you do things for them rather tha…
/r/MensRights23/07/14 01:10 PM
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