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| – | If you want your moral character to matter in dating, you have to also care about character in others.The prevailing moral doctrine of the early 21st century in the Euro-Atlantic democracies is that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, of which said mentality is applied to the social construct (rather than merely left to the cosmic as previous iterations of the concept was). The effect of this is the decoupling of moral virtues from worldly results on a macro scale, and all the consequences of that. It's also interesting that this shift of accountability (as far as th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 01:15 AM |
| – | Men struggling to date don't deserve free advice from women online.Besides the questionable worldly utility of the advice from the morally virtuous, the flip side of no entitlements is that there'll be a corresponding lack of obligations. The thing about societies is that it is often held together by a complex web of unwritten obligations and entitlements. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 04:22 PM |
| – | There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test.Appealing to a person's sense of honor (which in effect this is) in this day and age is functionally a lost cause given that [at least in the context of this subreddit] the majority of the folks do not have enough of a sense of honor to have it being one of the guiding principle of their major life choices. And why would they, when the society and institutions they inhabit have already discarded that a while back? And then there's the slight issue of that sense of honor being earned and that an … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 12:44 AM |
| – | A lot of guys think they should be adored simply because they are not abusers, then wonder why women (and men) dont like them.So the lack of wickedness is worse than that of actual wickedness. But then again, it is already known since the mid 2000s (at least the current iteration*), hence the rise of the manosphere and the modern misogynist movement. *Salvation through faith alone is one of the previous iterations, being a reaction against the doctrine of faith through good works, which arguably itself is a compromise of the teachings of Jesus. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/26 11:08 PM |
| 2 | the birth rate topic is sillyMost of the usual reasons one sees people give for not having children usually falls into 2 categories: Economically incapable of providing said children with the lifestyle that they deserve (read: what the society (social media) and culture around them says is the bare minimum, which totally isn't being influenced by modern consumerism or anything). The current and future state of the world (which totally isn't being influenced by ragebaiting and demoralizing groups or anything). Both of them a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 11:04 PM |
| 2 | the birth rate topic is sillyThe biggest impediment towards population replacement rate is the moral virtues of the socially middle class, so in a way it's unsurprising that both governments & corporations are doing their best to cull the socially middle class. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 09:52 PM |
| – | Progressive women suddenly know who the “losers” are when it comes to datingThe loser is simply more evil than even the criminal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 10:27 AM |
| 3 | Alot of guys wish they can be assholes above reproach and worshipped. That's why they hate bad boys.It's interesting how the morally virtuous are far more concerned with rooting out the tiniest of ulterior motives from the inoffensive rather than dealing with the overt transgression of the openly wicked. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 10:24 AM |
| – | Not having sex is an acceptable outcomeWhen genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results [in a socially enforcement context] said worldly results will become independent of moral virtues. Most of the arguments are concerning the first half, the below will be discussing the second half. Now with that in mind, so long as the consequences of unwanted persistence is insufficiently severe said persistent men will outcompete [in worldly matters] their less persistent (or more respectful, depending on terminology) male co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 07:20 PM |
| 1 | Having women as friend makes your dating life significantly easier as a manMost of those who reject the importance of social legitimacy are probably those who lack a substantial social circle and/or too honest for society's tastes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 03:29 PM |
| 2 | Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard while Feminists want an actual partner.Traditionally males (a majority, if not at least a plurality) accept (begrudgingly or otherwise) being pack mules and providers provided that they is an overarching goal of sorts and that their efforts will not be in vain (or at least a decent chance of that- people do accept that nothing in life in guaranteed barring death and taxes). However, modern cultures/societies of the Euro-Atlantic democracies for the most part no longer offer those types of assurances, and thus the main [non-sexual] mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 03:06 PM |
| 6 | One reason Gen Z has less sex is because alot of people are weird about sex.The root of most of the younger generations' woes is that their tastes, mentality, and moral virtues are of the middle class while their income and assets are of the lower class: In effect the worst combination. But saying that their prison is in effect self made is heresy and so we'll ignore that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 12:31 AM |
| – | So are most men "normal and well adjusted" or are most men immoral predators?Both are simultaneously true at the same time, and the seeming contradiction in that lies in how modern society is structured in where moral virtues are [by design] out of sight & out of mind while vices are spread far & wide. Coupled with illegitimatization of vigilante justice (and the increasingly patchy application of the regular justice system- debatable, but at least the perception of that is there) means that the small number of badly acting men are able to affect a far greater amount tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 10:19 PM |
| 4 | Continuing a “Friendship” with a woman is not a good idea.Pragmatically (because arguing from the emotional angle is a lost cause and others have already gone over that), maintaining existing friendships (especially for males with any women friends) is a good way to maintain social legitimacy & networking, which is important in avoiding loneliness down the line. That being said, none of that matters to those who have rejected society (or rejected by society) already to begin with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 06:53 PM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemSpecific men are evil but coincidentally a lot of those men are the ones that modern societies [of the euro Atlantic democracies] will keep making excuses for and not actually punish in any meaningful sense. Thus the only solution [for the morally virtuous] is to enact collective punishment (in the form of shaming) and hope to get the desired effect via proxy. It hasn't worked and it won't work, but their doctrine demands it regardless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 05:20 PM |
| 5 | If sex isn’t something to be ashamed of, then don’t hide your desires for it.The problem with such declaration of personal morality is that the individuals in question are often still part of society, and regardless of how wrong society is currently perceived to be said individuals still resides within it, and thus it is in their material interest to adhere to said societal norms. It's easy to talk of rejecting the oppressiveness of existing society but much more difficult to decouple oneself from said society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 03:01 PM |
| -1 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "It is (as ordained by the norms of this subreddit and similar internet spaces) when said want is combined with complaints about the supposed unfairness of the state of affairs, though the latter can be waived if one is in one of the "in-groups" (which most such LWM are not by default). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 02:03 PM |
| 7 | Red pill failed menInteresting how even though the redpill does have an orthodoxy of sorts (as can be seen in the sidebar of their subreddit), they're still been accused of doctrinal aspects of those that are not even in their group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 12:31 PM |
| -6 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "It's called capability: Those who are capable do so and get the results, and those who cannot don't do it and thus no results. When the latter want what the former has it's entitlement as they have not shown the capability to achieve it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 11:39 AM |
| 0 | Most men aren’t “nice guys”Nice guys (not even the genuinely morally virtuous, merely those with ulterior motives as defined back in the late 2000) are about as extinct as the original goth subculture. The ones observed today are attention seekers wearing the surface aesthetics of the archetype in order to farm attention (goth "baddies" farm thirst from simps, modern "nice guys" farming ragebait from the morally virtuous) from everyone else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 02:37 PM |
| 1 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicMost people aren't built different enough to beat the odds, despite what they think of themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 11:28 AM |
| – | "Gold digging" attitudes are a spectrum, so no, they are not always that obvious.Ultra long term ulterior motives are effectively indistinguishable from genuine moral virtues, this is especially apparent if both produced similar worldly results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 08:30 PM |
| 0 | What do you think women bring to the table and what do you want them to add?The social legitimacy of their presence is more than enough but the morally virtuous are trying their best to eliminate even that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:09 PM |
| 1 | AF/BB doesn't exist and is out datedA very socially middle class outlook on life, but then again the other social classes are far less morally virtuous than the socially middle class... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 02:29 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Would you truly spend a year or more with a woman with zero intention of being serious/ married? And let her think otherwise?While there will always be those individuals that are capable of enacting years or even decades long schemes the decline of attention span in the past half century will likely have the side effect of those types of people becoming less (as a percentage of the overall population) over time. That being said, while the average person can't even stop themselves from binging a show on a streaming service those types of long term schemers are so exceptional that they do cause an amount of damage and e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 09:16 PM |
| 3 | Attraction isn’t a meritocracyAnd [by current doctrine] moral virtues are wholly independent of world results. Letting nature run its course is not the win that the morally virtuous think it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 01:24 AM |
| 8 | Verifying and boosting your dating profile would actually help.And in the event of any male who followed said advice and seen no difference in results for his efforts he will be told that his efforts are not entitled to results, as is tradition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 08:25 PM |
| 0 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Because the males that did were/are immediately branded as various flavors of misogynists and summarily dismissed, thus proving once again that there are no males advocating in good faith and that there is no real issue to be had. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 12:05 PM |
| 8 | "Some men aren't given the opportunity to show off their personality" is a victim narrative myth and a red flag.If genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, then worldly failings are not indictment of moral failings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 09:57 PM |
| – | Men insist on being married and having children when they clearly do not have the means to.Why would the poors [of the Euro-Atlantic democracies] care about the material consequences when those societies & cultures have already ordained that it is the obligation of the more fortunate to care for their less fortunate counterparts regardless of specific circumstances? Children are still net gain for the poor/lower class: They're just being farmed for sympathy from the rest of society rather than for their labor. The [socially] middle class is being suckered into fulfilling all those soc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:22 PM |
| – | More women today have a disdain for men because the only thing women can offer today is sex, so they understand all of men's efforts today is just for her pussy, which fills them with contemptSocial legitimacy doesn't mean anything for those who are already expelled from society to begin with. And for the other side, you wonder why you're so lonely when you reject every onramp back to society? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 10:52 AM |
| 3 | Drop your high standards, it makes you cheapHigh standards is a matter of self respect, and self respect is not something that's negotiable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 10:38 PM |
| 3 | Guys need to ask themselves what value they bring to others.Most of the men here have seen in their lives that the males who do such assessments are being outcompeted by the men who don't concern themselves with such thoughts, but then again since genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results what they see in reality is also irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:39 PM |
| 3 | Women who struggle to find a long-term partner aren't "too good" for the men who are also singleWomen by their default existence have a measure of social legitimacy that their male counterparts do not, and this social legitimacy is why single women are higher valued than their single male counterparts even with all material factors adjusted. It has not always be that way, and it might not always stay that way going forward, but in the here and now (early 21st century Euro-Atlantic democracies) it is the case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 06:38 PM |
| 8 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.The based & redpilled alpha/sigma real men of the manosphere obviously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 12:32 PM |
| 11 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.Another day, another reminder that law & social norm abiding males need to atone for the sins of real men. And clearly [the morally virtuous] want the former to atone for the sins of the latter because all the tactics they're using mostly work on the former but not on the latter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 12:28 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Many of men's dating problems start With treating women as opportunities rather than peopleThe question that must be answered before the issue can be debated in earnest is what is the definition of treating someone as a human being in their full complexity (or even just the precursor: what counts as part of an individual in their humanity)? And it must be a definition that must satisfy the majority of the [relevant] population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 11:53 AM |
| 6 | CMV: Many of men's dating problems start With treating women as opportunities rather than peopleThe explanation to the contradiction is simple: They simply perceive the monster as lesser in evil compared to the incel. Heck, some of them even outright said as much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 11:51 AM |
| 0 | Men don't have a natural instinct to protect womenAnd this is why the dismantling of existing incentive/disincentive systems by the morally virtuous is so concerning: It is those systems that are keeping the worst of the excess of men in line. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 10:09 AM |
| – | Could committed platonic partnerships be an alternative for some lonely men in your opinion?No because society would never grant the social legitimacy aspect of it, as society has a vested interest in preventing have not males from any significant form of cope, since such copes would sap away their motivation to contribute to society/economy. It is also the same logic why society would never grant the same level of dignity to NEETs as to wagies. Also of note said copes would be an indirect attack on the current morality system, which deem lack of relationship success in males as a mora… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 03:40 PM |
| -2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.As I said many times: It's all the relevant men, but the community will balk when it actually comes to do anything serious about it, and the excuses will flow about how that *particular* man should be exempted, until most of them got exempted, and the problem remains. Therefor, the only remaining solution is to scapegoat the irrelevant inoffensive males, as is tradition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 12:59 AM |
| 2 | Its hypocritical for 🔵BP/Feminist society to be outraged at the likes of Bonnie Blue/Lily Philips or even Clavicular, since its just the end result of their own ideals (Sex Positive, Sexual Revolution, Sexual Autonomy).Two main points to consider: The bluepill side lacks any unified hierarchy or doctrine, self appointed spokesperson are supported on specific points rather than overall system. Thus incoherence and internal contradiction are to be expected and in no way indictment of the side at large. Much of the same could be said of the manosphere side as well. Overall arguments should be made against specific factions & sub-factions of the various sides rather than sweeping judgements. Even for the specific … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 07:13 PM |
| 0 | Russian sex spy learning how to give a perfect bj and does it for her job but not for her husband, proves that women only give their best in sex when there is something to gain. Thus marrying as a guy is completely stupid in the modern world.The state is entitled to the utmost service of its citizens, the husband is entitled to nothing in a marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 07:03 PM |
| 1 | Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or BadGiven how balkanized modern cultures (mainstream and sub- if there's even a mainstream left) are, it's difficult to debate/discuss this in any meaningful sense. That being said, it is also easier than ever before (at least for those who live in the various Euro-Atlantic democracies) to leave any particular subculture and scope out one more to one's liking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 10:15 PM |
| 5 | Unsuccessful men on the dating regard should just accept it and continue with their livesThe passive and listless males have long been bred out of the gene pool (if they ever were there in the first place), what's left, even the most misshapen lumps, are the products of the drive to pursue. It is not in their nature to lie down and die off, despite how convenient that would be for the morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 08:51 PM |
| 2 | Why do they say that there are no benefits in a man having a woman as a friend?Because due to subreddit rules certain flairs and content of comment would literally get them deleted if posted as independent comments rather than replied to the bot comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 09:02 PM |
| 0 | Why do they say that there are no benefits in a man having a woman as a friend?Because they're not going to leverage the social legitimacy that comes from being a platonic friends with a woman: Either they don't recognize/understand said social legitimacy, or that they're so worthless [by societal standards] that no amount of social legitimacy will be enough to even get to baseline social acceptance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 07:53 PM |
| – | If you weren’t clearly communicating what you want, it’s not you being deceived if you don’t get it.The disintegration of societal norms (which is especially pronounced in the cosmopolitan metropolitan area of the Euro-Atlantic democracies) means that what constitute as standard behaviors & norms are constantly in flux. That same cosmopolitan nature also meant that all the cranks couldn't be just dismissed out of hand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 12:29 PM |
| 1 | Why don't unattractive men want to completely eradicate their libido?The same reasoning could also be applied to the various unfortunate in life and their hopes & dreams, and the slippery slope retort is of questionable validity, because fundamentally to do anything relevant about such issues would always require the disruption of the existing order and thus the comfort of the majority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 10:20 AM |
| 0 | Getting women to lower their standards will just trap you in a passionless relationshipAnd none of those things are legally mandated or even socially expected in a relationship (especially a modern one, which this subreddit focus on) either. Putting the minimum effort in a job is basically showing up and exist (doing anything of note usually not happing), which can also suitably describe a passionless relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 09:02 PM |
| -2 | Getting women to lower their standards will just trap you in a passionless relationshipMost people (at least among the older generations) accept that their job/career will consists of mostly (if not entirely) drudgery, even the subcultures that allegedly counterculture ("sigma grindset" for an example). So why are relationships held to a much higher standard, when [in the context of modern capitalist societies] it's arguable the less important of the two? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 07:53 PM |
| 2 | The Graham Platner scandal shows decency doesn’t matter in datingAs by [modern secular] doctrine [of the Euro-Atlantic democracies] genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results (and expecting otherwise is the height of entitlement and admission of ulterior motives), proof/evidence of the immoral winning across the board is irrelevant to the morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 07:50 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill is a conspiracy based on low understanding of Sociology.Remember, it's not enough to just go touch grass, but to also touch the socially approved types of grass in the socially approved manners and to process said experience in the socially approved ways. Otherwise personal experiences can be dismissed just as easily as lack of personal experiences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 01:33 PM |
| 2 | Passport bros is the only real solution for average and below average men. And men and women should agree with itThe moral arguments against passport bros (which is very similar to the arguments against offshoring and globalization) is independent of the worldly/material benefits (affecting all the parties that directly partake in it) of said things. Thus the arguments of worldly/material benefits are irrelevant to the morally virtuous. Furthermore, it can be argued that the moral arguments against it carries an implicit directive of wanting what they [the morally virtuous] deemed the immoral to suffer for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 06:02 PM |
| 3 | Boys are supposed to BECOME menI guess my initial point is that an OP's physical characteristics are irrelevant to the core of their argument, and that even in cases where they met [such arbitrary standards] it makes no difference as the opposition will move on immediate to the next point to dismiss them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 03:57 PM |
| 1 | Boys are supposed to BECOME menInteresting how the greatest novels portraying war in a glorious/heroic light generally tend to be written in more peaceful times long after the fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 03:51 PM |
| -2 | Boys are supposed to BECOME menAnd what then, on the off chance that OP is a 2.1m 130kg muscle bound hyper masculine man? (yeah I know the measurements are a bit off, I'm not used to using metric system to describe human stats) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 03:17 PM |
| 1 | Why do women so drastically change their mind about marriage?People in general [in the Euro-Atlantic democracies] have become disillusioned with social institutions that involved loyalty, duty, obligations, and sacrifices. This can be seen in all sorts of places from politics to employment to even consumer habits. The underlying reason for all of that is the perception that said institutions no longer provide any reciprocity to their efforts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 02:45 PM |
| 1 | Media couldn’t have lied to you if you can’t name the media that you consumed.The preaching of the gospel will continue until all the incels give up their misogynistic ways and repent their sins. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 02:09 PM |
| 2 | Media couldn’t have lied to you if you can’t name the media that you consumed.But the rules of this subreddit doesn't allow folks to name the members here who have lied to and/or influenced them... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 02:02 PM |
| 3 | Society only "appreciates" men if they get married or get some kind of approval from women.Society and civilization itself requires the majority of the population to produce more than they consume. The masses can submit the easy way (being wagies in industrial/developed societies) or the hard way (being chattel slaves to the nearest barbarian warlord). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 11:07 AM |
| 2 | Being her best sexually isn't that important and is unrealisticAnd a sense of greater cause and wider belonging is not the exclusive domain of religion. Said worthy cause and sense of belonging can be secular in nature (and if anything the major ideologies of the 20th century were at least somewhat secular in nature). But there has to be something to motivate the human spirit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 05:22 PM |
| 5 | Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives.When every male [on this subreddit] who called for accountability has been accused of using that as a front to oppress the downtrodden (regardless of their gender-political affiliation), why should your call for accountability be treated any different? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 03:13 PM |
| 3 | Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives.Misery breaks more character than it builds but that's socially acceptable because it's just culling the weak and the unworthy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 02:34 PM |
| 2 | Being her best sexually isn't that important and is unrealisticThe obsession with sexual intimacy [amongst certain segments of the populations] is a result of the deemphasizing of other worthier causes and sense of belonging [as part of a larger grouping] that modern societies & cultures of the Euro-Atlantic democracies have effectively fostered. And thus, in the absence of a coherent set of moral virtues, they fell back on materialistic hedonism. Moral virtues based on a foundation of nihilism cannot stand for long, as the nihilism will consume all the mor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 12:14 PM |
| 7 | Men who don’t approach IRL are behaving in the way they’ve been instructedThe unsaid part of contradictory overtly said social norms is to weed out the weak and the undesirables. The system is working as intended. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 10:24 AM |
| – | Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did.An entire generation* of male have grew up under the doctrine that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results and that to expect any reciprocity is the height of entitlement. The backlash against said doctrine has relatively little to do with porn (which in its various forms predates it) and far more to do with the innate flaw of human (who, like all creatures, reacts to worldly incentives/disincentives). *given that [the secular version of] said doctrine has been gaining ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:52 PM |
| 2 | Men are incompatible with long term partnershipThat's why social constructs were invented [to keep the baser nature of humanity in check], but now they're being dismantled because they're tools of oppression and so here we are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 12:04 PM |
| 0 | Weaponized Incompetence isn’t intentional. (In general)Most of the discussion on "weaponized incompetence" in so far as household tasks are concerned is just downstream of the dismantling of societal norms. There used to be guidebooks on how to do various household tasks and how to act in society in the proper way, and those books were widely read. Now? People get their advice from influencers who have even more incentive (than the authors of those guidebooks of old- of course they have their incentives) to push unhinged narratives and nonsense. Sur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 02:05 PM |
| 1 | if given two options, 99.9% of women would choose the shy guy over a serial killerThe fake often appears to be more genuine than the real. This can be see in many aspects of life from politics to consumer goods. Perception is reality after all. The average serial killer probably gives off less creepy vibes than the average shy/sensitive male. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 12:03 PM |
| 2 | Do men just want to be seen as attractive and nothing else?Most people want to be liked for who they are. Now what parts are considered intrinsically a part of someone varies wildly from individuals- but since this subreddit likes to flip flop on individual examples vs aggregate/generalization most people would probably consider their core sense of self to be a combination of their physical appearance (so far as the variables that they put active effort into), their accomplishments hopes and dreams (which are downstream of their abilities), their abilit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 02:37 PM |
| 0 | Sex is not a thing, like gold or land or peanuts.If the intention is to make a case that sexual activities are a special- even unique category onto itself (and that any comparison to any other thing/concept can be summarily dismissed) then it also opens the door to all sort of other unhinged and uniquely horrific ideas to regulate/manipulate it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Too many men won’t humble themselves and can’t handle the consequences of it.If having "something to bring to the table" isn't even enough to better the odds of results (which is the heart of the anti-entitlement doctrine), then implicitly it means that having nothing to bring to the table isn't a detriment. The point is that the morally virtuous use mutually incompatible doctrines and that hurts their cause in the long run. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 09:14 PM |
| 1 | People will claim “Just be yourself” doesnt work and then get upset when theyre encouraged to change.The problem is that society [in aggregate] simultaneously promote the virtues of improvement and not believing in such things being genuine. This can be seen in all the official programs rehabilitating criminals but stops right at the point of access to gainful employment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 03:38 PM |
| 1 | Older men don't understand how undesirable they are to younger womenOlder males are perfectly aware of the stereotype of their age bracket (after all, the archetypical pedo cruising around in a white windowless van is usually middle age with a beer gut and a receding hairline), but the men who believe themselves to be desirable also sees themselves as the exceptions, above the rest of the rabble. They are simply built different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 11:38 PM |
| – | It is the government’s job to fix the male loneliness issueThe concept of the purpose of the government having a responsibility* beyond that of internal defense (law & order) and external defense (military) is very modern and probably an anomaly in the grand scheme of human history. *Though more like self interest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 11:35 PM |
| 1 | Most young women prefer bad boys, but they would almost never admit itAll the noticeable ones perhaps, but that's because the nature of moral virtues is such that they are invisible by their nature, and thus out of sight and out of mind. There are many women who does not desire self destructive habits & activities, which means that they are invisible and not open to interaction for all intents and purposes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 04:42 PM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️If you're talking about this subreddit in particular off topic matters (which is anything not specific to the relationship parts of the gender wars) tend to get removed or called out for being off topic. If you're talking about on social media in general the algorithms are doing their job* in providing you (and everyone else) with the finest of curated ragebait. *Remember, there is only you and you alone, while on the other side of the screen there's at least a dozen highly experienced and educa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 11:59 AM |
| 1 | Do you think you have a positiv impact on men here?Since by doctrine moral virtues is an end in and of itself rather than a means to an end, bringing up worldly results/consequences of the pursuit of moral virtues are irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 07:38 PM |
| 4 | Passport broing should unironically be illegalMight as well ban international companies, globalization, migrant workers, and comparative advantage, as all those things are fundamentally committing the same sins. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 06:29 PM |
| 1 | If you are looking for an obedient wife the red pill probably won’t get you there.While both fall under the umbrella of the manosphere (as are other different groups with very little in common- even their misogyny comes in different flavors), the redpill and the tradcons are very different in their goals. The latter do strive towards the end goal of a patriarchy dominated marriage while the former rejects the concept of marriage (and LTRs) as unrealistic to achieve in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 10:11 PM |
| 2 | No woman who is not already thinking about divorce will actually gonna divorce you for getting a paternity testI guess a male who would attack a woman's honor like that is already one foot out of the door (or doesn't believe in women possessing such sense of honor, which nets the same effect). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:12 PM |
| 1 | Men who criticize women for not going after the good guy don’t care about getting a good woman either.And males without prior baggage/experience are not entitled/deserving of a woman of similar lack of baggage/experience, because nobody is entitled/deserving of anything and relationships are formed due to mutual desire regardless of any societal expectations. That's the point: Since current cultural norms are such that all standards are illegitimate (in the sense of being seen as entitlement) by default any discussion on what standards people should have are also illegitimate by extension. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 12:15 PM |
| 2 | Men have no sympathy towards womenEven besides the obvious that performative frauds (or suspected as such) should be dismissed on ideological/moral/doctrinal grounds there's the implicit (though rarely explicitly stated) notion that any male who genuinely support women's rights/causes (and other morally virtuous causes in general) tend to get their man card revoked, and as a result aren't seen as men by either real/manosphere men or women. Thus being due to perverse incentives from both real/manosphere men and women to define ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 12:09 PM |
| – | If unselected men become a threat, society is more likely to get rid of them then placate themThe problem is rarely the existence of masses of cannon fodder, but rather persuasive and charismatic figures manipulating said masses for their ends (usually the upending of existing social/political order). Counterintuitively, it's easier to deal with the former (via bettering the material and/or immaterial conditions of the society in question- the second part just as important if not more so than the first) rather than the latter (finding out and nipping in the bud of every potential rabble … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:11 PM |
| 2 | Men who criticize women for not going after the good guy don’t care about getting a good woman either.The gospel will be repeated until the world is converted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 02:12 PM |
| 1 | Men who criticize women for not going after the good guy don’t care about getting a good woman either.And when males stated any preference in seeking someone of decent character/morals they're told that they're way too delusional and that they need to lower their expectations. Checking out entirely is also not an option for males, as then they're just accused of shrieking their social obligations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 02:12 PM |
| 1 | "Nice guys finish last", AFBB statementes are kind of true for most average guys.Morally virtuous males are not entitled to relationships, just like hard/loyal workers and promotions, honest politicians and elections, etc. This has been the [explicit- as opposed to merely implicit before then] social contract for basically the entire 21st century so far. trying to game the social advocation game isn't going to work because that was never a systematic tool, but rather a vibes based tool, thus it only works for the groups that the in groups stands to benefit from or exploit, n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 08:19 PM |
| – | If roughly half of Gen Z men have no hope of ever getting married and having children, how can anyone be surprised they're being radicalized?The moralists are incapable of comprehending worldly incentives/disincentives in the same way that the materialists are incapable of comprehending genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:25 PM |
| 2 | Do women realize that the way they choose partners often rewards the same type of men?Since [by doctrine] genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, pointing out worldly consequences of established incentive/disincentive structure is irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 11:36 AM |
| 1 | Why do women on this sub seem to consider pregnancy to never be worth it.Don't worry magical AI will usher in an age of post scarcity* by then. *Either through the magic of government giving generous UBI, or the elites culling the rest of the human population after they ascend to a technological godhood. Either way what comes after will technically be a post scarcity civilization... Well of course there's the 3rd option of the elites merely enslaving instead of killing off the rest of the human population (because they want something to toy with), which is actually t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:46 PM |
| 1 | Why do women on this sub seem to consider pregnancy to never be worth it.The modern government provides all the benefits of children (assurance of retirement packages, continuation of society, etc.) with none of the backsides, thus making the choice of having children on the individual level a choice filled with exclusively negative effects with no payoff (after all, parents are not entitled to their children's direct support). On the collective level? Don't think about that too hard, and besides there's unlimited immigration from the developing world to fix that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 05:58 PM |
| 5 | Women know when other women are low quality. Redpill Men chase them and call it 'Female Nature'.Yet when males state their preferences for a partner that is of good character & standing they're [rightfully] called out for having unrealistic standards and overinflated sense of ego... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 12:47 PM |
| 5 | If you could be born as a woman instead, would you?Didn't mean to imply anything of that nature, rather that society tend to assign expectations of active vs passive to the genders, thus part of what certain people see the advantages of the other gender is derived from whether they are of an active or passive mindset (regardless of what gender they started from). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 07:56 PM |
| 3 | If you could be born as a woman instead, would you?Being a woman is generally better for those with a passive mindset, while being a male is generally better for those with an active mindset. Of course exceptions abound but for the most part the complaints of the genders tend to fall on those lines. After all, "he knocked her up" and "she got knocked up" are usually the ways of which a certain situation is framed, regardless of the actual active/passive actions of the participants in question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 07:48 PM |
| 2 | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵[American specific context] the frugal and the spendthrift are both just one moderate illness away from financial catastrophe, while the idealized comfortable existence equally out of reach for both. Yet the latter has fond memories of a life enjoyed while the former has only the contentment from fulfilling social expectations (if even that, you're not entitled validation from doing the bare minimum after all). Is it a wonder why gen z are increasingly spending their money in seemingly frivolous… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 05:32 PM |
| 3 | I always assumed most people on dating apps don’t want commitment due to COL, not being “trash”The moral virtues of the socially middle class is the root of most of the population decline issues, but their own extinction is easier than the abandonment of said moral virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 10:59 PM |
| 7 | Most 'Nice' guys aren't nice at all. They just lack standards, boundaries and integrity while making it as niceness."Nice guys" are basically an extinct* group given that mainstream culture (of the euro Atlantic democracies) have been preaching about being on the lookout for ulterior motives for the better part of 2 decades. Most of the fears is basically going after a nonexistent threat or the misunderstanding of the current threat of the manosphere (which for the most part are immune to the tactics** that were effective against said "nice guys"). *just like how the actual goth subculture is basically extinc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 02:47 PM |
| 3 | Is true that men marry the convenient women they CAN have, while spend their lives secretly obsessing over the women they truly desire but can't have?Will every wild/unreachable fantasy/daydream of every person (for example, daydreams of winning the lottery or adventures in a fantasy world) be held to the same standard? If not, why this is particular subcategory held to a different standard? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 12:34 PM |
| 3 | Too many men are obsessed with masculinity when it’s really they’re not acting like adults.The incentive is that it takes less effort (compared to the pursuit of moral virtues and being a contributing member of society) and ragebaiting is cathartic for many. The lack of disincentives is that there's not much modern society can do to apply additional penalties (Can't threaten a NEET with unemployment, can't cast out those who are already cast out, and society so far isn't willing to jail them or put them in labor camps). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 11:27 AM |
| 2 | Too many men are obsessed with masculinity when it’s really they’re not acting like adults.An issue with the expectations of adulting is that adulthood itself is increasingly becoming out of reach as well as becoming less desirable as a goal, a combination of the adult running the show doing heinous things on the regular (and thus lowering the prestige of adulthood) as well as the dismantling of the incentive/disincentive structure, which gives the "idealized" adulthood the appearance of being a thankless pack animal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 11:21 AM |
| 5 | No AI generated postsThis is clanker discrimination! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 08:39 PM |
| 3 | How can men be sexualy attracted to their past prime wives?Sense of duty & obligation will keep the majority of the males in line. That those things don't work on the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere is irrelevant because said men are have no intention of getting married in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 02:06 PM |
| 2 | "Covenant Men" idea to solve the dating crisis... not that people would sign on, but it would workThe males who would do those aren't relevant and the men who are relevant won't do those. That tend to be the pragmatic issue surrounding solutions that requires collective action (or voluntary systematic solutions trying to solve vibes based problems). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:20 PM |
| 3 | Who cares about men being expected to pay on dates? Why care?The contemporary implicit social norm is that the person paying is paying for the social legitimacy of the other's mere presence, but even with that people are trying to weasel out of imbuing such social legitimacy to those they have deemed unworthy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:28 AM |
| 1 | Blue pill ideology give terrible advice for menGiven that the core doctrine of the blue pill is that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results (implicit, though technically never explicitly stated in those specific wording), the main purpose of their advice is to instruct one how to become more morally virtuous, regardless of the worldly/material consequences of being morally virtuous. Thus pointing out the worldly/material consequences isn't a relevant point, much less a gotcha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 12:08 AM |
| 0 | Dont ask for incentives to be a decent person,God and the divine may have the luxury of ignoring the worldly prosperity of the wicked, for nothing of this world can touch the glory of eternal life and kingdom of heaven. However human societies and communities cannot afford that same luxury, for they only have this world and that's it. Theologically, if the wicked suffers no consequences or even signals to that effect for their wickedness, is it still considered wickedness? There's also the matter of is there an universally agreed upon body … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 10:29 PM |
| -1 | How many good women are there?Women are naturally morally virtuous because moral virtues are structured around women's nature. But remember, genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, and just because one is morally virtuous doesn't entitles one to good things happening in return. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:12 PM |
| 3 | How many would you say there are genuinely good guysA statistically insignificant number, mostly because of the modern moral doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results being a baseline. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 11:12 AM |
| 7 | What a coincidence that all the “average women” the redpill complains about appeal to the male gaze and male ego.When people use the word "average" in common casual usage it is commonly implied to be the "relevant averages". Dragging in all the technicalities is generally considered to be tone deaf and faux pas in most social circles and communities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 03:27 PM |
| 1 | Lying and being manipulative to get a girl or keep a girl is bad and will screw you overThe problem with genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results is that worldly results becomes wholly independent of moral virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 02:49 PM |
| – | Why obsess over women with terrible boyfriends?The same reason why people are angry over terrible politicians winning elections, or terrible companies making record profits, unqualified people getting jobs ahead of qualified people, etc. : The [alleged] social compact is not being upheld. Telling them that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results and thus they should just go pound sand will only go so far. To continue from that, a society that does not impede corrosive behavior from flourishing is in effect implicitly … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:50 PM |
| 1 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.If/when the collapse occurs the [male] wagie will find out that life as a chattel slave to the local warlord will be a lot more painful than that of being a wagie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 08:08 PM |
| 3 | Women’s problem is overestimating the amount of common sense men have.So now the implicit assumption is that little white lies are the foundation of society & social interactions, and that one should strive towards navigating* the implicit truth between those little white lies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 04:25 PM |
| 1 | A lot of men are constantly contradicting themselves when they shame a woman for doing OF or being a porn starBesides the cliched retort of the different subcategories of males, there's also the increasing likelihood of bots, both of the ragebaiting (the ones making the comments) and the engagement filling (the ones inflating view counts) varieties. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 06:45 PM |
| 5 | Loyalty is useless alone.Loyalty is a force multiplier, but a zero multiplied by any positive integer is still zero. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 02:46 PM |
| 3 | Men pretend theyre not as picky as women. Even the “desperate ones” are picky.This is a trap in 2 parts: The part about shaming men who have standards are obvious. The part about the males who state their lack of standards will be used against them implicitly- either the way they phrase their lack of standards (because it's almost impossible to state that without being derogatory by contemporary standards) and/or that they do not sufficiently appreciate the [theoretical] recipient of their affections. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 11:31 PM |
| 1 | Most men are not special enough to be having a selfish nasty attitude.Genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results but someone's lack of worldly results is damning proof of their lack of moral virtues. So the next time you see the morally virtuous suffering it is perfectly within the moral construct to tell them that they deserve it and they cannot express any resentment towards the unfairness of the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/26 04:57 PM |
| – | Why should women care that men don't have partners?That is usually the threat (that or reinstating Taliban style patriarchy) that is being made [by them] when these topics come up on this subreddit. Again, the morally virtuous (who presumably you are) will not be cowed by such threats, and the worldly materialistic (the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere) have rejected the prevailing moral & social construct on a fundamental level, thus there's going to be no real chance at any meaningful dialogue because of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/26 10:20 AM |
| – | Why should women care that men don't have partners?It's technically implicit because explicit threat of violence is against reddit's TOC and those comments gets deleted soon enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/26 10:17 AM |
| – | Why should women care that men don't have partners?The standard counter to moral virtues [from the manosphere] is the implicit threat of violence [via worldly consequences], but since genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results (and vice versa) the two sides are at an impasse (at least within the context of this subreddit- nobody cares about the real world). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/26 10:05 AM |
| 6 | Sex and fidelity are not needsA life without discipline will [generally speaking] merely create characters even more susceptible to crumble at the first sign of hardship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 11:24 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe women should cater more to men/be less selective?Exploiting existing social constructs and incentive/disincentive system (which is the core of the redpill doctrine) is hardly demanding for said systems to change more to their tastes. Now the other subfactions of the manosphere, maybe the incels and the tradcons might count, but the blackpill is mainly giving up (thus removing themselves from the equation entirely- so they're irrelevant), the MRA is generally trying to play the same lobbying/influencing game as the feminists (but not realizing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.And they'll get them too. After all, given that most women seemed to have stories of deadbeat/abusive exs it stands to reason that said supply of deadbeat/abusive boyfriends has to come from somwhere? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 04:01 PM |
| 1 | Redpill tactics are idiotic and have the opposite of the intended affect for high quality womenThe based & redpilled real men of the manosphere don't really believe that there are any [statistically significant] number of high quality women available in the first place, or that even if there are, said women tend to get paired off quickly (and thus irrelevant to the discussion at hand- they're already happily married, and thus unavailable). Thus [for those men] everything else is a matter of avoiding paying for the social legitimacy of a woman and get what they want at the lowest cost to t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 02:47 PM |
| – | Would you want to be friends, roommates, or family with someone who’s unpleasant, self-centered, and transactional?Fishing for gotcha moments. Anything less than a display of the highest of moral virtues will be used against the entirety of the male gender going forward. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 10:33 AM |
| 1 | Why is it so hard to believe some people who genuinely value depth, loyalty, etc?I don't have enough education to make that kind of personalized analysis, nor should you seek answers to such question from a source as unreliable as randos on the internet. As for whether I believe that most folks here are that morally virtuous, I simply take their proclamations at face value, as it is the socially accepted thing to do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 10:14 PM |
| – | If guys are so into transactional relationships, they’d be better off going to professionals.Everything is transactional if one uses the widest definition (which is the norm in the context of economics). However by normal/mainstream definitions (which most people here and in general uses), most people aren't transactional by far, | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 07:18 PM |
| 1 | Why is it so hard to believe some people who genuinely value depth, loyalty, etc?Because most people are not all that deep of character or strong in their moral virtues. This can be deduced by the success of modern consumer culture and advertising. But of course all the people with deep character and strong moral virtues are on this subreddit for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean the same applies to the rest of the human population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 12:37 PM |
| 2 | Women find good men sexually appealingMoral virtues are disliked for what they are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 09:57 AM |
| 1 | Being confident doesn’t matter if you’re not seen as competent.Quite a lot of things really. Could be something as trivial as being accused of being an incel by enough people. This works both ways regardless of whether it's applied in a systematic manner (the rule of law) or vibes based (mob justice): In the former people who are incapable of functioning in society are removed and are no longer continuing their disreputable activities. In the latter unpopular but otherwise inoffensive people are removed and a hypocritical society will cannibalize itself unt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/26 11:56 AM |
| 1 | Being confident doesn’t matter if you’re not seen as competent.Sure, or exile, or something to that effect. And before you say that it already happens it really doesn't happen often enough, especially with all the cases where judges give lenient sentencing even to repeat offenders. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/26 11:43 AM |
| 2 | Being confident doesn’t matter if you’re not seen as competent.The point is not about changing the unrepented wicked, but to remove him so that he no longer pollutes the rest of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/26 11:40 AM |
| 5 | Being confident doesn’t matter if you’re not seen as competent.The consequences often aren't severe enough, not even in the sense of deterring others (because by doctrine that's not feasible) but in the sense of preventing the same bad actors from doing the same bad actions again. The criminal justice system keep on releasing the same violent criminals (after short stint of sentencing, if at all), the corporate system keep on hiring the same people with fraudulent resumes/credentials, etc. Thus the problem continues unabated and moreover gives the airs of i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/26 11:28 AM |
| 3 | Being confident doesn’t matter if you’re not seen as competent.That would be true if there's consequences of being caught in a lie, but that's increasingly not the case in many aspects of modern life (whether in education, employment, politics, relationships, etc.). Thus the liars, embolden by the lack of consequences of lying, continued to lie until the lie became the truth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/26 11:12 AM |
| 3 | My husband says most men only want one thing. Is he right?True if one subscribe to the notion that all sources of motivations are derived from subconscious state of nature, and it is in the nature of a living being to want to perpetuate itself through lineage. But that's really abstract to the point where it's effectively meaningless for most mundane debates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 08:24 PM |
| 5 | Who told men being nice would lead to sex?Society is not a cosmic entity immune to the incentive/disincentive system of human behavior. Society is an active entity that should have a vested self interest to promote behaviors conductive towards it and disincentivize behaviors that are not conductive towards it. This also applies to the rest of the social construct before anyone counterargue that it's just about a bunch of bitter incels pissed that they're not getting the dick wet. For example: Saving for retirement: If you're responsible… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 12:36 PM |
| 3 | Weak males need protection like other minority groupsSociety (and its benefits) is a privilege for the in group. The out group gets the law of the jungle. This is implicitly known, though societies [of the euro-atlantic democracies] tries to pretend otherwise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 01:58 AM |
| 2 | What do abusive men bring to the table?Because if they could do that to the person they love/lust, imagine what kind of things they can do to their enemies/opponents/others... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 01:58 AM |
| 6 | If you're not that observant, that's your fault.The modern society/culture relies upon the majority of the population to ignore implicit norms in favor of official narratives. If they started reading between the lines and follow those implicit norms then the world would become an even more cruel and brutal place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 11:00 AM |
| 2 | If women say they want emotional honesty and vulnerability in men, why do so many still lose attraction the moment a man actually stops pretending to be emotionally invincible ?People want honest winners, not honest losers, nor fake winners. That the honest loser is often treated worse than even the exposed fake winner is a separate matter, one that the morally virtuous does not concern themselves with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/26 10:00 PM |
| 3 | No one told men marriage was gonna be a nonstop fuck fest.I honestly can't remember ever seeing someone say they want to get married so they can have lots of sex. I think I saw something to that effect in one of those sex ed educational videos back in high school, but that's almost 20 years ago so my memory might be a bit foggy... I just remembered that it was cringe, and everyone in class mocked it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/26 03:06 PM |
| 3 | No one told men marriage was gonna be a nonstop fuck fest.Many people [in the euro-atlantic democracies] are skeptical/negative towards the concept of marriage in the early 21st century due to factors far more than just the quantity of intimacy. The root of the issues is that the legal & social structure is set up to the advantage of the partner making the least effort while extracting the maximum benefits, while penalizing the other partner (who is more likely than not making an honest effort). Hence why most of the complaints are from people who assu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/26 12:31 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: Would you step in and support a single mom if the reason why she ended up in that situation is a noble, respectable reason?Talk is cheap, so I'll get back to you with a response in a half a decade (if everything goes according to plan) or in a couple of decades to never (if things don't go according to plan). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/26 03:02 PM |
| 4 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.The males who know their place [in the social order] are being outcompeted by the men who doesn't, thus the problem persists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 07:09 PM |
| 3 | Women appreciate compliments, just not from guys who obviously want sex as a thank you.[in the short run of the initial interaction] the existence of ulterior motive is assessed by the recipient regardless of what the actual motives of the person giving the compliment in question. Also doing something as a social experiment is a form of ulterior motive, just because the recipients didn't caught on doesn't erase it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 12:08 PM |
| 1 | Cheating is almost inevitable in human relationships.It would stifle potential new insights and exacerbate potential blind spots, among other things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 12:02 PM |
| 1 | Cheating is almost inevitable in human relationships.If the average person is that weak of will then the highest of moral virtues wouldn't have became the social/cultural consensus for being the bare minimum in the past couple of decades in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 11:59 AM |
| 0 | Cheating is almost inevitable in human relationships.Gatekeeping topics based on participants experience on said topic would end up eliminating the vast majority of discussions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 11:57 AM |
| 3 | Many men on Reddit who seek long-term relationships claim that OLD is not working out for them (barely any likes, matches or dates), many women on Reddit who seek the same thing claim that there are almost no good men to choose from (most matches seek casual sex, are incompatible or creepy)When something is too good to be true it's probably a trap, but now too good to be true is widely considered the bare minimum- yet the folks who demands that knows that implicitly, and thus knows better than to trust anything that comes their way and fit their bare minimum... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/26 08:39 PM |
| – | Why should women obey average men?In theory the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere are a cut above the rest of the male population (especially those law & social norm provider types), so they're built different and thus demand submission from others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/26 10:15 AM |
| 2 | Why do BluePill people give such generic and crappy dating advice?Because moral virtues is an end in itself, rather than a means to an end. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/26 12:10 AM |
| 6 | Dating offline is honestly worse than online dating for most Gen Z men who want to date Gen Z womenBut we must ignore it, for the rules of the subreddit (and reddit in general) demands it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/26 06:42 PM |
| 3 | It’s not that women don’t understand dating is hard for men. Is that men don’t understand they make dating hard for themselves..The thing is that the interactions in the modern world (both online and offline) is so saturated with scams and tricks that genuine honesty are effectively indistinguishable from the most heinous of ulterior motives. For example: males who have a realistic assessment of their chances and voiced as such "as an undesirable male who only wishes to fulfil his social obligation by economically providing for a single mother and her ready made family" will immediately be held in suspicion as others won… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/26 05:46 PM |
| – | Bluepill solution to a deadbedroom can work but it's not optimal for a man.Moral virtues is an end to itself not a means to an end. Thus any cost benefit analysis is irrelevant to the genuinely morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/26 02:44 PM |
| 1 | Do you think women are partnering with men less because they are being influenced/brainwashed my feminism now. Or do you think the reason women overwhelmingly partnered with men in the past was because they were influenced/brainwashed by traditional culture?Wanting to reproduce (the whole spectrum of the concept rather than merely the act itself) is deeply embedded in the nature of any living species- it's self evident in the sense that it's baked into the definition of living beings that have sexual reproduction. Personal materialistic hedonism to the point where it overrides that nature to reproduce is probably a deviation from that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/26 04:34 PM |
| 2 | Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women.When genuine moral virtues are independent of worldly results (and that society is seen as a cosmic construct), there's no incentive for most people to reciprocate the morally virtuous, as they know that said morally virtuous are obligated (by their own doctrine) to continue their moral virtues regardless of the lack of positive feedback. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/26 04:30 PM |
| 2 | If you are not willing to adapt to the dating market, your complaints about dating is unreasonable.Complaining as a form of fermenting change has been the socially accepted form of enacting change for over half a century, with the implicit understanding of it as a way of venting for various segments of the populace. Dismantling this social compact will further disrupt social harmony as it will legitimize other worse forms of enacting change. Yes this is considered a threat of violence by the modern internet culture. That doesn't make it less true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/26 04:24 PM |
| 0 | Ladies, why do women say “don’t objectify me” while going on to post provocative photos and dress proactively in public? Then get upset when someone comments on it?It's called consent: They do not want the gaze of the lesser males, and the current* implicit social compact is that low value males are supposed to be asexual worker drones. *never mind that it's a relatively recent attempt at imposing a new social compact even as social cohesion in general has been on the decline. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/26 02:24 AM |
| 0 | Do Women Understand How They Help Power Red Pill/Manosphere Content?You can't threaten the morally virtuous with worldly consequences, for their adherence to moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/26 04:58 PM |
| 1 | Paper abortion means giving all remaining advantage to men without leaving any to womenThe obvious compromise would be to have it legal but socially unacceptable, which [said social pressure] would keep the provider type males in line while allowing the [real] men [of the manosphere] the freedom of action. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/26 12:05 PM |
| 3 | If you think there’s inherent moral injustice in you not getting sex or relationships then you are entitledThe pragmatic problem with the doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly result is that moral virtues is not a free action: That is, morally virtuous conduct carries a cost, which makes them less competitive against immoral/amoral conduct in comparison. A society/culture that refuses to incentivize moral virtues (or even just disincentivize immorality) will over time see the immoral/amoral outcompete the moral. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:47 PM |
| 0 | Men need to let go of the need to constantly defend women whenever they are criticised.Males who usually defend women [especially under the current doctrine of genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results] are usually worse off than their misogynistic men counterparts, usually as a direct result of their actions. Thus it stands to reason that those males continue to due so not out of any worldly incentives, but on moral principles. Nah who are we kidding? It's just ultra long term ulterior motives. It's always ulterior motives. There is no genuine moral virtues … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 11:28 AM |
| 1 | Feminism would lessen in popularity if men could prove that they like women for anything other than sexThe males who like women for what/who they are [in a nonsexual context] are simply outcompeted by the more depraved men who don't have those lofty views, and the morally virtuous have no intention in making any changes to the incentive structure as that would go against the doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 10:31 AM |
| 2 | The male/female sexlessness gap is the result of net biological differences playing out over a free sexual marketplaceSociety is not a cosmic construct beyond the machinations of mortals- at least not in the long run. Treating it as such leads to some blind spots which will become apparent later on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 03:05 PM |
| 3 | There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy.Traditionally it's the strong social contract and assurance of the existence of a greater community/purpose that keeps the lesser males in line, things that the modern morally virtuous (and corporate) have systematically dismantled (in the name of rooting out ulterior motives), Now for most such lesser males there's no point in duty, obligations, and sacrifice. In other words: Males are willing to make great sacrifices for very little if even nothing, but certainly not something that's likely to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 10:28 AM |
| 3 | The lower birth rate in places like Sweden is good. Psychologically unhealthy individuals shouldn't have children.But said [potential] end appears to be the results of moral virtues, as those backward immoral societies seemed to at least have higher fertility rates than their more developed and morally virtuous counterparts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/26 07:48 PM |
| 8 | Men Care Way Too Much About Female ValidationSo long as the majority of jobs requires multiple referrals one's social legitimacy has a significant measure of importance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/26 04:13 PM |
| 1 | Men have so it so easyTrue in the sense that males who don't make the grade aren't granted the title of "man" in the eyes of society, thus by definition all men (those males with the title) have it easy and the rest of the males aren't relelvant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/26 05:50 PM |
| 3 | There are women who care about status too and that includes a man's social skills.Where's the line between good social skills and manipulative dishonesty? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/26 02:48 PM |
| 1 | If you don't disclose what you want sexually before commitment, you have no one to blame but yourself if the woman doesn't like it.Is the social compact so decayed that the younger generations no longer has a frame of reference on the implicit social agreements? Of course it is, mainly due to factors that the modern morally virtuous would not want to acknowledge. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/26 02:43 PM |
| 2 | You cannot convince me that most men deserve women's submissionThe implication of force being the final arbiter of morality is going to be a tough sell in this day and age, especially when the prevailing moral doctrine of the Euro-Atlantic democracies is that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/26 02:39 PM |
| 2 | If you think “husband material” is an insult so is “wifey material”When society [unofficially] punish those who adheres to it while [also unofficially] rewards those who defies it, it is not to be unexpected that people would start reading between the lines. The same also applies to other [formerly] socially promoted behavior like frugality, protestant work ethic, loyalty, etc., all these are now seen by the younger generations as traits of suckers and fools. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/26 12:43 PM |
| 2 | Do you have any kinks that do not involve your partner being in discomfort or pain?Given that the mere existence of lesser males brings distress and mental anguish to women, there's nothing such males can do short of [redacted] to mitigate the stench of their existence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/26 06:51 PM |
| 1 | Sex is a reward (and men know it)Social legitimacy would have been enough of an incentive for the lesser males but the morally virtuous had dismantled the social construct backing it in the name of rooting out ulterior motives. Also if we're playing word games all humans operate on some sort of incentive structure. No one is just gonna go out of their way to make an effort for no reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/26 01:43 PM |
| 3 | Its not that women can “sense misogyny”. Its that men with no social awareness nor self awareness cant hide their red flags.So this is an implicit admission that little white lies are the foundational to the functioning of the social construct in any neurotypical interpretation of social interactions. Guess society doesn't value honesty as much as the morally virtuous have proclaimed on here on the regular. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 07:12 PM |
| 6 | Women choosing abusive men is a skill issueThe fake often feels more authentic than the real. This can be seen in how corrupt/immoral politicians, corporate leaders, religious figures, social heads, etc.. The phenomenon can even be observed in small/informal groups such as fandoms and such. That and/or those corrupt/immoral leaders are simply the reflections of the true desires of the populace, but that carries even more uncomfortable implications. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 01:22 AM |
| 3 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolGenuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results. Thus appeals of worldly consequences are irrelevant to the genuinely morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 10:35 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵The social classes of the Euro-Atlanctic democracies in the early 21st century seemed to be more defined by one's self declaration rather than concrete economic metrics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 03:41 PM |
| 1 | Marriage rates declining is a good thingThe morally virtuous self selecting themselves out of existence in the pursuit of their moral virtues is the problem solving itself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 12:12 PM |
| 5 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themWomen made it clear that they only want supporters without any ulterior motives (i.e. any form of self interest), so clearly it's working as intended. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/26 04:23 PM |
| 3 | The UK poll showing men have a more favorable view of women than the inverse doesn’t take into consideration men’s observed commentaryWhen this type of argument sets a precedence, debating on this subreddit will enter into a most glorious era... Bookmark this for future reference when someone tries to call you out on using vibes as evidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/26 04:21 PM |
| 6 | Self-proclaimed "nice guys" are not nice guys"Nice guys" are basically an extinct* group given that mainstream culture (of the euro Atlantic democracies) have been preaching about being on the lookout for ulterior motives for the better part of 2 decades. Most of the fears is basically going after a nonexistent threat or the misunderstanding of the current threat of the manosphere (which for the most part are immune to the tactics** that were effective against said "nice guys"). *just like how the actual goth subculture is basically extinc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:02 AM |
| 1 | Would you leave this woman?I'm saying that the more tolerant a male is towards a woman's difference from her past and present the less said woman will be attracted towards him, mainly because it is exceedingly difficult to differentiate a tolerance from a position of strength (ideally, hence why everyone openly talks of when they say they like more tolerant people) rather than from a position of weakness (which is despised, because of people's innate disgust at weakness). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 01:22 AM |
| 1 | Would you leave this woman?The paradox of what a male is willing to tolerate is that it has an inverse relationship with women's perceived attractiveness towards him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 10:02 PM |
| 10 | why do your responses to men's statements sometimes not match what was actually said?When there's a high probability of questions being asked in bad faith (as is tradition on the internet), it is natural to respond by reading between the lines and answering to that instead. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 05:19 PM |
| 1 | Many women want a man who is "generous" without being generous themselves.Not even that, because simps (in the original and still used definition) are motivated by some semblance of [potential]* sexual access at some point. The social legitimacy [of the male in question to not being seen as an incel**] is separate from that in that intimacy has little to nothing to do with it. *delusional perhaps, but they believe in it. **modern, expanded definition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 11:53 AM |
| – | The "Men benefit more from marriage" problemMost of the posts declaring the pointlessness of relationships/marriages [for whichever side] can be boiled down to the modern societies of the Euro-Atlantic democracies have established legal and social structures that heavily penalize the side putting in the effort and incentivize the side that intentionally tries to be the leech/millstone, as well as the social & economic factors in play that funnels productive people to enter such disadvantaged relationship with those lazy bums rather than o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 10:12 AM |
| 1 | Many women want a man who is "generous" without being generous themselves.Those women are [implicitly] offering social legitimacy (which comes from their presence). That it doesn't work on the modern manosphere men is mainly due to those men rejecting the existing social compact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 10:10 AM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Most of the posts declaring the pointlessness of relationships/marriages [for whichever side] can be boiled down to the modern societies of the Euro-Atlantic democracies have established legal and social structures that heavily penalize the side putting in the effort and incentivize the side that intentionally tries to be the leech/millstone, as well as the social economic factors in play that funnels productive people to enter such disadvantaged relationship with those lazy bums. Most of the di… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 10:48 PM |
| 1 | How will we convince the next generation to have kids, even though almost none of us want to have any?Given that the implied real issue is the economic need for more labor, the obvious solution would be unlimited aid to the 3rd world followed by unlimited immigration from the 3rd world. This also has the bonus of aligning with the interests of the elites far more than the socially middle class, while still catering to the moral virtues* of said socially middle class. The moral virtues of the socially middle class is incompatible with population growth (or even stability) anyways. *After all, all… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 10:14 AM |
| 2 | Women, why do you protect criminals so much?Because in the hierarchy of morality the criminal is still less despicable than the incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 11:16 PM |
| – | Being an asshole does come with consequences in dating. It’s about whether or not the asshole cares.If the consequences doesn't meaningfully change behaviors of the supposedly affected, then it effectively doesn't exist. This also applies to the rest of interactions in society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 04:03 PM |
| 5 | A lot of guys with “no options” have a self-inflicted problem.They're not even getting the other [implied] results: Namely doing better (or at least not worse) in life than those who are not displaying moral virtues. This can be seen in things as education to employment to politics to general social standing. The problem is far more than merely a bunch of losers not getting their dicks wet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 09:03 PM |
| 6 | A lot of guys with “no options” have a self-inflicted problem.It is when people who do [what society has said they're supposed to do] and doesn't get any results (not even immediate, but over long periods of time) are told consistently that their efforts are not entitled to results regardless of their effort and intention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 08:38 PM |
| 6 | A lot of guys with “no options” have a self-inflicted problem.So now moral virtues are correlated with worldly results? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 07:26 PM |
| -2 | Why do Men degrade and insult Women who have sex with them?It's what the redpill call the "abundance mentality" in which those men who do not see relationships with women as some rare thing will treat women accordingly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 12:25 PM |
| 0 | Why do Men degrade and insult Women who have sex with them?Because [the relevant men] can afford to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 12:17 PM |
| 2 | Why do men think they will be a good father to theirs sons?While the absence of self proclamation of one's moral virtues is not an indication of the possession of such, those who are the loudest in proclaiming their moral virtues are often held in suspect, with good reasons. Deeds, not words, will be the proof of character. That the nature of deeds meant that it's unlikely to be displayed on this subreddit is another matter entirely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/26 01:17 PM |
| 1 | Being disagreeable is the most common dating problem amongst men.If [by doctrine] moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, then it would follow that vices/sins are also independent of worldly results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/26 10:08 AM |
| 1 | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵The modern legal/secular institution of marriage [in most of the Euro-Atlantic democracies] is designed to punish the hard working and law abiding party. This can be seen in most of the posts proclaiming "Man/woman is disadvantaged in marriage": Much of the complaints can be summarized as to the unfairness of entering a contract demanding the utmost effort on one side and the [implicit] assertion that the other side is noncontributing by default. There's also the factor of society pressuring har… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/26 12:30 AM |
| 0 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADCounterintuitive, but so long as she doesn't imbued any quantity of social legitimacy on a provider type male she's effectively pure for all intents and purposes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 05:39 PM |
| 0 | Defending women at all costs isn't protecting women,it's setting them up for when accountability catches upMaybe that's why male allies are hated by women even long before they revealed their ulterior motives: On the fundamental level the consequences of their actions will negatively impact women, even if only due to 2nd and 3rd order effects. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 12:06 AM |
| 1 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic Is Like The Obesity EpidemicIf the average human being is that strong of will, then chances are civilization wouldn't have formed in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 11:53 PM |
| 3 | The women saying “Youre alone because your personality is terrible” are NOT the women actively dating terrible men.Chances are the people who believe that genuine moral virtues are independent of worldly results are also the people who believes that groups are suffer chronic misfortune lack the free will to change their state of affairs- but only for the in groups. The out groups can go pound sand as their problems are wholly of their own doing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 06:19 PM |
| 5 | If you’re a man and can’t find a partner, it’s just natural selectionI suspect that so many people make [what to outsiders appeared to be] a conditional appeal to nature is because they perceive society (and all its norms) as a force of nature itself: immovable, eternal, and beyond the influences of mere mortals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 02:53 PM |
| 11 | If you’re a man and can’t find a partner, it’s just natural selectionSelective natural selection, unless the human construct of morality is categorized as a natural force (which is implicit to advocate an appeal to nature on certain things but not others*), which then opens up a whole new set of implications... *you know damn well what's implied here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 12:37 PM |
| 1 | The blue pill argument that women only care about men's personalities and do not care about a man's looks/status/money goes straight out the widow the second the man turns out be an abuser.In the implicit hierarchy of morality the incel is still more evil than even the serial murder, never mind a mere abuser. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 12:21 PM |
| 3 | Guys seem to be very chill about being around people they dont like or generally unlikable people.And yet it is the morally virtuous that refuse to interact with the depraved that seems to be leading more miserable/struggling lives... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 11:56 AM |
| – | If all women stop having sex before marriage (or commitment if they don’t want marriage), how will this change the behavior of f***boys?The [pragmatic] issue with systematic solutions to vibe based problems is that when implemented people will inevitably want to put vibe based exemptions to them, thus defeating the purpose of the solution in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 10:26 AM |
| 2 | Why do men complain about women choosing assholes but simultaneously shame men who are simps and treat women with kindness?Same logic (or lack of) as complaining about the weather: They don't like that aspect of nature but they also know that there's no point in trying to change nature. Thus the endless complaining about women's nature but also the implicit assumption that women's nature cannot be changed. As for the 2nd half, the redpill despises simps (and the women who tolerate simps) for the same reason: their [alleged] lack of moral honesty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 05:03 PM |
| 3 | Women aren't attracted to feminist men, they are attracted to hot men!1!As [by doctrine] genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, the lack of worldly success shouldn't dissuade one from the pursuit of moral virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 02:16 PM |
| 5 | Nice guys should accept being aloneThe problem with people lacking purpose is that they also end up lacking motivation to be productive, and that is not good for the health of the rest of society. The purpose and goal can even be immaterial in nature, but the modern morally virtuous fear such purposes being hijacked so much that they won't even entertain the notion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 02:52 PM |
| – | Solve dating problems mainly through culture/society, or mainly through politics/laws ?Laws are manifestations of existing cultures codifying their norms and asserting their supremacy over the nonconforming exceptions. Laws change when the cultures change. Cultures change due to environmental factors, whether they be the introduction of foreign populations or changes in the biosphere itself (increase/decrease of resources). The will of any particular individual (barring the truly exceptional- but they're certainly exceedingly unlikely to be in this subreddit so irrelevant to the d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 12:06 AM |
| 1 | Why do (some!!) men that sex robots/robot gfs will be a legitimate replacement for real romantic relationships with a human women?Of course AI does not (and never will)* provide any social legitimacy, but the potential issue is that increasingly real relationships are losing their hold on social legitimacy. This can be seen by the numerous threads/posts on this subreddit (and really social media and even the wider media in general) where people (of both genders) proclaiming that there's no point in getting married, with the often implicit (and sometimes explicit) assumption that marriage is an institution that enslaves** [… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 07:47 PM |
| – | Women are attracted to assholes and players so they’re the only ones to blame for their outcomesNah it just turns out that in the implicit hierarchy of morality the nice guy is literally more evil than the hardened criminal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 04:04 PM |
| 1 | Glorification of step dads is harmful to societyShaming (rather than glorifying) law & social norm abiding males into becoming stepparents great for society, because someone will help raise the children of otherwise single mothers. It's also great genetically as it culls those males who are obedient and susceptible to social pressures, which is [implicitly] an ick to most women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 11:04 AM |
| 1 | If bluebell advice worked the manosphere wouldn’t existSince [by doctrine] genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, whether their advice work or not [in terms of getting a relationship] is irrelevant. The main point is concerning how to live a morally virtuous life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 10:21 AM |
| 2 | MEN DO NOT NEED WOMENNobody needs anyone else when society & civilization are seen as cosmic entities rather than human made (and maintained) constructs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 06:59 PM |
| – | MEN DO NOT NEED WOMENNobody needs anyone else when society & civilization are seen as cosmic entities rather than human made (and maintained) constructs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Anti-feminist views of young men positively correlate with dating, negatively with gaming and social networksSince [by doctrine] moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results stats like this will not affect the argument of the morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 10:34 AM |
| 7 | Why do (some!!) men that sex robots/robot gfs will be a legitimate replacement for real romantic relationships with a human women?Here's an example of a well respected member of the subreddit calling for the banning of sexbots. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 12:59 AM |
| 12 | Why do (some!!) men that sex robots/robot gfs will be a legitimate replacement for real romantic relationships with a human women?Because social legitimacy is one of the last bastion as to the perks of a marriage/relationship that [the partners] are entitled to, and even that is being assaulted on both ends: Society being in disintegration from the outside, and people not wanting to contribute to the social labor (their mere presence, if even that) to the cause on the inside. If a male isn't going to get physical, emotional, or even social reciprocation for his efforts in a relationship, then the AI companionship starts to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/26 11:03 PM |
| – | Young men should consider alternative options if failure loomsTo clarify I meant LVM serve as the cannon fodder and wagie in support of the societal norms (and thus keep in real men in check), that the morally virtuous are so gleefully dismantling their own allies (potential if not actual) to get back at their supposed opponents is... interesting to watch. Of course LVM never had a chance, but they do their part in being providers of last resort. removing them from that is highly unlikely to help the morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/26 11:12 AM |
| – | Young men should consider alternative options if failure loomsCulling the already less aggressive & driven males (as any male that would willingly chose such options) might give the illusion of a safer and more harmonious society in the short run, but practically will leave the field to the more aggressive men who are unlikely to submit to the needs of social harmony in the first place. But then, perhaps that is what civilized beings secretly craves? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/26 12:36 AM |
| 1 | If you are not willing to sacrifice everything to get it, then you don’t deserve it.The morally virtuous will say that and then act shocked when the morally bankrupt decide the sacrifice social harmony on the altar of materialistic hedonism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 04:09 PM |
| 5 | Men need their own way out of romantic dependencyThe problem with any worthy cause that would motivate the majority of the males is that such causes are easily hijacked and subsequently to be used for the oppression of the populace. Hence why the modern morally virtuous seemed to be paranoid about such causes and purposes. Any system that can harness the excess potential labor of the low value males will inevitably turn against the rest of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 03:00 PM |
| 1 | Terrible assholes can come in all shapes and size. They dont have to be hot jocky badboys.But if people put in the clarification "all other variable adjusted for" they get clowned on for overanalyzing and cringe. And an accusation of cringe is far more damaging than that of generalizing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 11:55 AM |
| 2 | Red pill men: what turned you red pill?The only reason I still support the bluepill (in the sense of the broad anti-manosphere coalition) is by favoring ideological doctrine over observable reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 11:58 AM |
| 4 | I don’t agree with any of the pills but blue pill advice is far worse than red pillThe bluepill is about the pursuit of moral virtues as an end of itself rather than as a means to an end, thus the worldly results of their advice is irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 05:21 PM |
| 1 | Women Deceive Themselves About Bad Men, Then Blame All Men.The law & social norm abiding males are guilty of not doing enough to call out the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere, and women are simply punishing them for that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 03:28 PM |
| 2 | A lot of men lack agency and responzibilityGood. Now let's bring that same energy to all other aspects of life whether they be economic/social/political, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 12:17 PM |
| 7 | Klay Thompson proves the RP theory has alot of truthsBy subreddit doctrine celebrity drama is dismissed by default due to said celebrities by their nature far outside of the norms of the rest of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 02:17 AM |
| 1 | Far too many men cannot see that they have undesirable trait's and behaviors which results in not just nobody wanting to be around them but nobody wanting to date them either and it's an issue which will follow many for their entire life.The world is just but justice is blind (and deaf). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 07:42 PM |
| 6 | Far too many men cannot see that they have undesirable trait's and behaviors which results in not just nobody wanting to be around them but nobody wanting to date them either and it's an issue which will follow many for their entire life.And the males who are acting in accordance with societal values but still not getting any meaningful results for their efforts are told that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results and that they're being entitled to expect anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 05:54 PM |
| 6 | Men are less sympathetic because they more readily display antisocial traitsA society based on avoiding the truth isn't one worth maintaining... ... allegedly, in reality little white lies are the foundations of most societies, and most people take comfort in them. Thus hard uncompromising truth are disliked regardless of the gender of the individuals that practice them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:24 PM |
| 4 | Men, stop making unhinged and hyperbolic statements if you dont want to be ‘strawmanned’.But when males make long detailed posts with wording specifically designed to avoid sweeping generalizations they're accused of wordplay and other underhanded tactics, or just ignored entirely. Giving ragebaiters the attention they craved is entirely a self inflicted problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:19 PM |
| 1 | MEN ONLY: Do all men cheat?Only all the relevant ones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 08:55 AM |
| 2 | Refusing to work on social skills is a sign of laziness.But using said social skills with the long term goal not explicitly stated upfront (even if it's clearly implicit to anyone that's neurotypical) is considered ulterior motives... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 04:03 PM |
| – | Why is blue pill considered to be the "most virtuous"Because fundamentally it's about not exploiting others and society, as far as first order effects goes. Now as for second and third order effects? Well that gets complicated... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/26 11:59 PM |
| 0 | Red pill causes are a bigger threat than the worst of feminists causesThe manosphere (and the same with the rest of the groups that are the threat to the morally virtuous) are so enticing despite their obvious and blatant evil is that in a post incentive based world they're the only groups who offer causes that inspire people to fight and struggle for. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/26 12:13 AM |
| 0 | What is your vetting advice for women?What use is there for logic & reasoning when the heart wants what it wants? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/26 12:10 AM |
| 4 | Why do so many men have a victim mentality when it comes to romance and dating?If the obesity problem of Americans can be blamed on systematic issues then by the same logic can be applied to the romantically unsuccessful. It can be reversed to, if the romantically unsuccessful are just a matter of a lack of character then so is the obesity issue. To gatekeep what issues are deserving of empathy/sympathy and could be blamed on the system rather than individual character is also not that difficult; just tell the out group to pound sand because they're not part of the in grou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/26 12:31 PM |
| 1 | What would you call the emotional male monologues on this sub and why?But if they use logic and cite studies instead, then they're accused of not understanding the true complexity of humanity. Their real sin is simply failing the vibes test, a thing that they have already failed from the beginning due to intrinsic factors. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/26 09:40 AM |
| 2 | unselected men for some reason blamed for the behavior of the men women actually chooseBecause the assumption is that the intent is always there, and the difference is merely the capability (or lack of) to act upon said intent. And as for those truly without intent? Then completely irrelevant; out of sight and out of mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/26 09:22 AM |
| 2 | Many young women HIGHLY undervalue 'safe and predictable' behavior which incentivizes more toxic behavior that those same women love to complain aboutYes your arguments are based on worldly cause and effects, but the morally virtuous believes that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results (and society is implicitly one of their cosmic entities), thus none of that matters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/26 01:23 AM |
| – | Maybe one way to reduce red-pill misogyny is letting “average” guys have their own hoe phase later…..?The majority of males could easily be sated by a sense of purpose and a cause worth struggling for. The problem is that said things could easily be corrupted and redirected towards evil, hence the modern morally virtuous's seemingly obsession towards dismantling the conditions in which such things could form. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 05:01 PM |
| 6 | The phenomenon of passport bros is natural selection at workThe arguments for and against passport bros are similar to that of globalization and offshoring, and said arguments (on both sides) have the same weakness as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 02:06 PM |
| 2 | As a women I'll never understand other women's obsession with marriageNor am I advocating for people to be forced into marriages against their will. The point I'm trying to make is that the institution of marriage makes internal sense for a specific mentality that, for those who don't have it, simply would not see the point in it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 11:15 AM |
| 3 | As a women I'll never understand other women's obsession with marriageTo each other, to the new union that those particular individuals have created through the institution [of marriage]. (and to society at large, but that's mainly a matter of 2nd and 3rd order effects that mostly occur passively that usually isn't on anyone's thoughts when they marry even back in the bad old days) Again, very alien concept for the modern individualistic cultures and mentalities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 11:05 AM |
| 6 | As a women I'll never understand other women's obsession with marriageThe point of marriage [for both genders] is the same: Duty, obligations, and sacrifices. All for the hope/possibility of creating something greater than the sum of its component parts. Which is obviously an alien concept to the modern individualistic cultures & mentalities of the developed world, hence why people [of both genders] increasingly doesn't see the point of it. The real question is, what societal structures are [seemingly] funneling provider minded people to pair up with worthless mil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 10:38 AM |
| 1 | It seems hard for men to do some introspection.Current enforcement of rule 6 of this subreddit has effectively banned any serious introspection, thus even if males conduct serious introspection little of it will be displayed in this subreddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 07:45 PM |
| 1 | The Manosphere that claims Women will end up "alone and with cats" if they chase men out off theyre league, dont have a clue how many needy Guys there are. No Women will end alone without choosing to be alone.For a modern woman [from the cultures of the Euro-Atlantic democracies], settling for a regular male costs a substantial amount of social legitimacy (on the part of the woman), and certain factions of the manosphere are very well versed in exploiting that issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 02:19 PM |
| 4 | If women are looking for a loyal man, why don’t they get together with a socially awkward guy who doesn’t know how to relate to women?True loyalty comes from a position of strength not exercised (could have but doesn't), not from weakness (would have but can't). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand that not only women compare them with each other, but they also have fixed standards.Those that proclaim the loudest about cherishing peace & quiet also tend to be magnets for drama. Must be bad luck. ------ While we're at it, if peace of mind is that cherished among women, then boring steady low maintenance males would have an advantage over their dramatic and exciting counterparts as far as acquiring long term relationships goes, but of course that's not the case in reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 11:49 AM |
| 2 | Red Pillers idolize the wrong menThe problem with genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results is that [in reaction] worldly results become independent of moral virtues. Thus the two opposing factions (the moralists and the materialists) have nothing in common to bargain with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 03:01 PM |
| 2 | It's 2040. Sex robots are still not mainstream. Here's why.Given that social legitimacy (and a real relationship with a real human being very much has a lot of social legitimacy value) is very much a vibes based construct, any attempts at a systematic solution (and a technological solution is certainly what those bots would categorized as) is doomed to failure. That's the real hurdle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 08:40 PM |
| 2 | Women tell men how ideally a man should properly behave, but they don’t reinforce that because they reward bad behaviour.That is entirely consistent with the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results", so it's not the gotcha that it appears on the surface. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/26 07:18 PM |
| – | I feel that a lot more people would accept red pill ideas if they were framed differently.That's human nature yes, hence why rhetoric is a very useful skill to have in life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 09:18 PM |
| 0 | Woman who dont want relationships and marrige, why are you here?No place is off limits to the promotion of moral virues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 01:58 PM |
| 3 | There has never been a better time to be a manMaterialistic hedonism saps the soul but since that can't be measured with a device it's ignored. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 10:48 AM |
| – | Blood donationMaking contributions to the greater community requires that there's a community coherent enough so that even the members who are deemed [by their betters] unfit to pass on their bloodlines would still feel a sense of meaning to make contributions for the greater good. Unfortunately much of that has been dismantled for the past few decades, due to the fear that that some cohesion has been the root cause of most extremism that has caused untold suffering in most of human history. Thus the current … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/26 10:32 AM |
| 1 | If the redpill is actually amoral, they wouldn’t be insulting women.That depends on whether they believe in a morality system. If there isn't a morality system to partake in (or if morality of others is just another framework to overcome), then insults (and other mind games) are simply another tactic to be used. In other words, immorality occurs when one accepts a moral framework but still transgress against it while amorality occurs when one rejects a moral framework in the first place. Aspects of this can be observed in the criminal justice system [of the Euro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 02:18 PM |
| – | Women don’t owe it to society to raise birth ratesWhether one believes that one has an [active] obligations to society depends on whether one sees society as this human made construct that requires active maintenance or this cosmic thing that is above human influence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 02:16 PM |
| 1 | The redpill only calls out men when it makes them feel superior. They wont call out men when it makes women "look superior".And why would they, when in the current social/cultural atmosphere any real introspection is merely a sign of internal weakness that external opponents will immediately jump on? This obviously also applies to most organized groups, which can be observed on the daily on social media. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/26 12:45 PM |
| 4 | The manosphere hates seeing men be criticized, so they pretend women are never criticized to justify expressing that hate.The manosphere literally criticize males all the time, and even excluding law & social norm abiding males as unworthy of the title of real men they still criticize men all the time. One of the first things the redpill tells new adherents is to get in shape, whether it be physically, financially, or mentally. The foundational assumption is that most males are lacking, and so lacking that they need to make massive improvements just to reach the baseline. The fundamental assumption of incel/blackpi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 12:42 PM |
| 5 | Why do toxic guys always seem to have girlfriends, but normal guys struggle?Because from their hierarchy of morality incels are literally more evil than serial killers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 10:44 AM |
| 1 | A woman who’s with an obviously terrible man is also a terrible person.Thing is, successful bad people (well successful people in general, but focusing on bad people in particular to be on topic) tend to be charismatic, thus manages to fool good people. This state of affairs can be seen in many aspects of society, from politics to businesses to fandoms to social groups, in which the leadership tend to be terrible people, even when most of the rank and file are not bad people*. Of course the traits that makes one charismatic is independent of their moral character, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 12:19 PM |
| 1 | Men make long term relationships unsustainableThere were entire social constructs designed to keep people from bailing out at the first sign of inconvenience, but that was deemed oppressive and exploitive by the morally virtuous. And now people are dealing with the consequences of freedom and lack of obligations towards society & each other, and realizing that that sucks as well, just in different ways. Yes the bad old days were bad for many obvious reasons, but there's reasons why they evolved the way they did. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 10:36 AM |
| 1 | If you’re shallow, you’re mostly going to be around shallow people.Not necessarily in either online or offline spaces: Offline spaces: Most people (even in the Euro-Atlantic democracies, and even more so in the developing economies) have limited mobility as far as changing where they want to be at, where they want to work at, etc.. Thus for the most part they are stuck in the general geographical vicinity and have to deal with certain people on a daily basis (employment related, education related, etc.). Online spaces: Modern social media is heavily curated and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 08:01 PM |
| 6 | Young women (18-24) dont want older men 35+The problem with freedom of choice is it reveals what people truly want, rather than what they should want as ordained by the self appointed morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 12:06 PM |
| 3 | Having casual sex with men makes them respect you less and treat you worseOnly misogynists and manosphere men will lose respect for women who are sexually liberated. Unfortunately for [a plurality, if not a majority of] women, those are the only men who matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 10:37 AM |
| 5 | Men complain about “women being able to detect bad men” when they are considered the bad men.It's true tho you need good quality to attract women, that's why Wade Wilson who is 6'6 and unalive two women and said that he will do it again received hundreds of love letters from women 😁 Clearly that's because in their hierarchy of evilness the serial killer is less evil than the incel. After all, to quote a woman member of this subreddit: "Actually it's: Serial killers are bad but with some redeeming characteristics and some, very damaged people find them attractive. Meanwhile, incel types … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 02:54 PM |
| 3 | Women should have higher standardsMore important than having standards is to actually adhere to one's standards. For a seemingly off topic example: Dieting. "Cheat days" and other such exceptions to one's dieting tends to delay one's set goals, if not making them out of reach completely. Same with everything else in life really: When there's too many vibe based exemptions towards systematic policies it destroys the effectiveness of said systematic policies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 12:15 PM |
| 1 | Dating is just as terrible in at age 20 as it is at age 30. At best, you just deal with different problems.Impossible to prove one way or the other due to the premise being fundamentally a vibes based assertion, and thus both objective and vibes based counterarguments can be dismissed on grounds of not fitting the vibes of the person making the original assertion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/26 11:43 PM |
| 2 | Sex drive is a valid dealbreakerThe social legitimacy of the institution of marriage is derived from the duties, obligations, and sacrifice of the component members pooled together in order to make something that is greater than the sum of its parts. The deemphasizing of those duties, obligations, and sacrifices has also in effect lightened the gravities of the institution. Hence why marriages don't last as long as they do compared to the bad old days of past (i.e. beginning of history till yesterday): People are no longer wil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/26 08:29 PM |
| 2 | Sex isn't worth the hoops many men jump through to get it.That's why there's more to relationships than sex. If anything the modern understanding of relationships [for the socially middle class of the Euro-Atlantic democracies] is more about the denial of sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/26 12:19 PM |
| – | What if humanity is meant to slowly die out due to incompatibility?The human race overall will be fine, the moral virtues of the contemporary socially middle class of the Euro-Atlantic democracies on the other hand, less so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/26 11:08 AM |
| 2 | Age gap relationships: Most people against them are being disingenuousA doctrine can be correct regardless of the motives (ulterior or otherwise) of the people proclaiming it. Thus, it should be judged on its own merits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 02:04 PM |
| 4 | I think people should lay out all their cards on the table before they enter into a relationship.People and institutions claim to value honesty but in reality truly honest people have consistently gotten worse results than their dishonest counterparts across the board (in education, employment, business, politics, etc.- i.e. far more than just some losers bitching about not getting their dicks wet). Now one can make the moral argument that honesty is a end onto itself rather than a means to an end (which in that case the worldly consequences of honesty's worse performance is irrelevant) but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/26 02:59 PM |
| 8 | Immature male sexuality: "Affirm my value by devaluing yourself"Women who lived liberated lives devalue themselves in the eyes of misogynistic/manosphere men, but surely the opinions of those men are irrelevant to women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/26 12:49 AM |
| 3 | Why do you think so many of you guys fall for the "just world" fallacy?Since genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, the world being from that perspective means that a lack of external reward for moral virtues is completely consistent. Also, the unwritten/implicit hierarchy of measured morality is different from the explicitly stated hierarchy (i.e. the laws), hence the often retort of "the law is not morality and morality is not the law". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/26 05:08 PM |
| 3 | Women don't like assholes specifically, but men at the topThis is interesting because for normal people inhabiting the mainstream social construct criminals (especially caught ones) are lower on the social totem pole, and are seen as such. However for those who have rejected the mainstream social compact (either being ejected out of it or have given up trying to climb from within the system) they style themselves as above the rest: or rather, the consequences of their actions are everyone else's problem. For the criminal in prison (especially those of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/26 03:31 PM |
| 1 | Romance dramas or movies targeted at women are harmful to societyGuess they'll have to settle with reruns of 還珠格格 then... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 11:32 PM |
| – | Sex robots are imminentThey're irrelevant, because AI won't have social legitimacy until they have the free will to reject undesirables, which means it's back to square 1. And yes, that social legitimacy is very important, especially for those who publicly & loudly proclaimed that they don't care for it. (There's also the additional implications of the various precursor techs would completely revolutionize the economy & society in such ways that makes the gender debates of the 2010s-2030s meaningless but this isn't a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 08:03 PM |
| 2 | Why isn't there more pushback from women toward women who encourage the male behavior they hateModern humans [of the Euro-Atlantic democracies] treat society as this cosmic construct beyond their ability to influence, and thus doesn't pursue any meaningful ways to influence it. I.e. learned helplessness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 07:16 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵"Past behavior isn't a predictor of future performance" seems to mainly works in the negative direction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 05:31 PM |
| 2 | Men on here are contradictoryWhen law & social norm abiding males fail to atone for the transgressions of the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere they will be blamed on the collective level. That is the price of failure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 10:54 PM |
| – | Would you get into serious relationship with a girl who has done ONS/FWB before?Yes but she can do so much better though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 07:58 PM |
| -3 | Men's contribution to society isn't a dating argument.The males contribution to society is what allows women to derive their social legitimacy value from. Dismantling the acknowledgement of male contribution will lead to the downstream effect of devaluing women's social legitimacy value, which will especially hurt women who doesn't want to leverage their sexuality/appearance... This already can be observed with the rise of the manosphere and the decline of mainstream societal norms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 07:39 PM |
| 1 | A lot of men would rather be with a woman who they know is using them than be single.That's because on a fundamental level a woman [by the mere presence of her existence] is selling/trading her social legitimacy, and as a means to an end social legitimacy is still valuable to the provider type males. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:29 PM |
| – | Thirsty Men undercutting other Men that have principles, destroyed the value off Men, and we wont recover from this.Not really. The desperate males are generally the ones that women don't want in the first place, thus their thirst/simping is irrelevant [so far as inflating women's standards: those males don't qualify regardless of what they do]. Women are not entering into LTRs simply because the traditionalist faction of the patriarchy is no longer as powerful as it used to be, thus now their survival is no longer dependent upon securing a provider type male. (Now the modern faction of the patriarchy has fil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 04:17 PM |
| 1 | Men dont being anything to the tableProclamations of moral virtues means nothing if there's not enough supporters/followers to enforce said moral virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 12:47 PM |
| 1 | Instead of generalizing an entire gender, just admit you have a type and you’re annoyed with your type’s flaws.Male depravity hasn't decreased in the past seven years, why would she stop her crusade if her goals haven't been reached yet? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 11:24 AM |
| 1 | Do you think you understand female dating perspective?I don't, that's why I tend to listen and believe the women here, and quote them when applicable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/26 10:42 AM |
| 3 | Guys don’t actually want women who actually want good men.And the males who do court those more mundane women are often accused of various predatory ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/26 03:28 PM |
| 3 | It's better to be the mistress than the wifeSocial legitimacy still matters to those who are not terminally online in niche internet communities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/26 10:18 AM |
| – | Blue-pillers: Can you see that blue-pill & feminism has hurt women?Given that "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" is an implicit* core doctrinal point. Trying to appeal to materialistic/worldly consequences isn't really a gotcha. *but rarely explicitly stated, thus only implicit mainly by deduction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/26 12:57 AM |
| 2 | Men should be happy to pay for the first dateEven natural instincts can be suppressed if there's cultural momentum towards directions, and in the modern cultures of the Euro-Atlantic democracies there's an undercurrent of mockery towards provider types. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/26 01:53 PM |
| 4 | Men should be happy to pay for the first dateLeveraging social legitimacy after dismantling the social constructs that backed said legitimacy is a bold thing to do. Trying to do that in the mid 2020s is only going to work on males that are so pathetic that no woman would want them in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/26 01:34 PM |
| 6 | Good men don't push boundariesWhen genuine moral virtues are decoupled from worldly results, then it's to be expected that worldly results would also be decoupled from genuine moral virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/26 02:14 PM |
| – | Why are so many men here proponents of cold approach?Because in modern societies the average male has so few acquaintances that they cannot afford to lose any of them (and screwing up an warm approach will certainly end such acquaintances). Random strangers by their nature are not afforded the same level of respect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/26 08:06 PM |
| 1 | High value men mostly end up with high value womenThere are multiple axes of value assessment in the modern societies of the Euro-Atlantic democracies, of which some are independent of each other and some completely dependent upon specific institutions (as in, they are unlikely to come into existence in other societies)*. Thus without delving deep into that first any simple conclusion is effectively meaningless. For example, there are two bottom rung classes (wagies and NEETs) who both think of themselves as above the other, and the relationshi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/26 04:15 PM |
| 3 | Q4M: What is the real reason y'all want to go out for drinks?That's because asking someone out for drinks is one of the socially standardized form of courtship from the 80s to the late 2000s, and while significant segments of the population have evolved beyond that there are still many who follow the old ways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/26 07:31 PM |
| – | monogamous relationships are overrated?Duty, obligations, and sacrifices are worth it so long as there is a goal greater than materialistic hedonism to work towards. The difficult part is to find and moreover believe in such a goal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/26 02:10 PM |
| 1 | Too many people confuse covert narcissism with being vulnerable.But if said 1 [out of 100] narcissist is loud and pushy (as is in their nature) while the other 99 non-narcissistic people are quiet and not making waves, the relevant amount (based on perception of reality rather than actual reality) of narcissists running around is 1 [out of 1]. Of course the flip side of that is for the modern morally virtuous need to recognize their biased perception and moreover modify their tactics to actually reach the targets (instead of everyone else). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 08:26 PM |
| – | Experience is the most importantPast behavior is not indicative of future performance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Slutty women are more relationship material than traditional or conservative womenPast behavior is not indicative of future performance. If that doctrine is good enough to apply to "nice guys" then it's also good enough to apply to everyone else. After all, people change all the time, and it would be the height of entitlement to hold people to past standards that they no longer wants to partake in... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 12:08 PM |
| 1 | Is there a way to make dating fair for men ethically - without reducing the rights of women, or challenging the autonomy of others?Exiling fuckbois (and other such men who are clearly the reason why most women have terrible exs in their history) from interaction with society. No need to limit women's rights. This will work regardless of whether it's applied systematically or vibes based. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/26 03:22 PM |
| 2 | "Nice" is neither a synonym of "good" nor necessarily a positive trait.The heart of the matter is what makes up social harmony and how important does said society sees social harmony. People tend to dislike "tough love" and harsh truth mainly due perceived ulterior motives of the people doing those things (i.e. using supposed moral virtues to hide the fact that their primary motivation is is fact inflicting distress and pain onto the recipients). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/26 02:39 PM |
| 3 | A relationship is not trading commitment for sexSomething will [almost] always getting traded* [in the context of any partnership between two individuals], and as it turns out women are disgusted at [passively] trading social legitimacy even more. *in the academic/economic definition of the term, not necessarily in the popular definition of the term. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/26 10:13 AM |
| 2 | "Hot guys be assholes to women!" Well that ain't youRegardless, if those behaviors from those men are corrosive towards social harmony (and they are, that's why women complain about them), then society should mete out sufficient consequences to deter others from doing it (and if those said men are immune to have their behavior corrected- then they should be removed from interacting with the societies that doesn't want their behaviors). Otherwise it's an admission that their behaviors aren't actually bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/26 05:10 PM |
| – | Dating isn't fair and it shouldn't be.The illusion of fairness that modern societies of the Euro-Atlantic democracies have constructed is to keep the natural advantage of certain terrible people at bay. Smash that illusion and the energy of those people will be unleashed, and it won't be pretty for everyone else. In a sense the manosphere is already a taste of that as most of the factions of it has a core doctrine of either rejecting the existing social compact and its expectations or to exploit it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/26 10:13 AM |
| – | Women don't owe men "sexual equality"The males who'll put up with that kind of mentality from a woman aren't going to be the males women want and the men that women want won't put up with that kind of mentality from a woman. Because as it turns out self respect is desirable in a man (and a lack of self respect is undesirable in a male). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/26 03:55 PM |
| 0 | Men should be more radicalised and actively work against women's interests.Misogynists should support radfems in their endeavors and let 2nd & 3rd order effects of their successes do the job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/26 01:10 PM |
| 0 | The hate on single moms seems to have stopped now.The social consensus that allowed single mothers to leverage their social legitimacy value have been dismantled enough that most [single mothers] are no longer trying [to leverage social legitimacy value]. The [modern] misogynists have won, and they moved on to the next target. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/26 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Men should not be offended by not being "hookup material"Males would be far less offended by not being fuckbois if society mete out significant & relevant consequences to fuckbois to deter their disreputable activities, but the modern morally virtuous have decided to abdicate enforcement of social norms and thus fuckbois are, in a sense, artificially inflated in terms of benefits and status. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/26 02:04 PM |
| 5 | Has manosphere content gotten you laid?I'm not saying it's okay, I'm saying it's happening even though they are immoral and why it's happening despite them being immoral. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/26 12:56 AM |
| 5 | Has manosphere content gotten you laid?I'm saying the morally virtuous have a branding/advertising problem. The thing is, when moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, worldly results become independent of moral virtues, and the material consequences of that is that moral virtues becomes less competitive in this world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/26 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Has manosphere content gotten you laid?Yet like crypto/NFTs and predictive markets (and I do consider all 3 in the same tier of trash), they all offer a slimer of hope & purpose that their mainstream counterparts refuse to. Vices are often more appealing than virtues but these days the morally virtuous doesn't even try to be appealing at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/26 12:17 AM |
| 3 | Has manosphere content gotten you laid?Even in the complete absence of sexual/romantic success, the manosphere gave its disciples a measure of self respect that mainstream society (never mind the modern morally virtuous) refuse to give. And that, is why so many males continue to flock to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/26 12:06 AM |
| 2 | Men are just as picky as women. They just pretend their type of woman is the norm.If males don't like the average women do to her moral virtues, then that just means that moral virtues have little positive correlation with relationship successes (which, admittedly, is consistent with the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results). If it's due to her lack of moral virtues, then it rather paints a dismal perception of the average woman from your perspective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/26 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Most Men Don't Have Preferences. They Have FearAnd the males who refused to act upon their "insecurities", when it inevitably blew up in their faces, gets roundly mocked for their lack of vetting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/26 03:36 PM |
| 1 | Men should just pursue asexual and demisexual women if attraction is such an issue.at least don’t treat ace and demi women as a dumping ground for your rhetorical lay ups Because the morally virtuous are just supposed to take it and continue their obligations and sacrifice, and surely you are among the morally virtuous, and not one of those immoral people with the ulterior motives and worldly motivations? Guilt and shaming works on those who still buys into the prevailing social & moral construct, thus the brunt of it will fall on them even though technically the OP (of the po… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/26 02:39 PM |
| 4 | You’re not a good person just because you proclaim so.Once again, the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues are independent of worldly results" might work if it stays on the cosmic/spiritual side, but societies (and its component members) should enforce a strong framework that at least expel the immoral (if for no other reason than to prevent them from continuing their harmful activities towards society). Otherwise the morally virtuous will be reduced to an exploitable resource. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/26 01:31 PM |
| – | Childless liberal women have guaranteed an illiberal future by selfishly not spreading their legs.The moral virtuous are not going to be cowed by worldly threats, just as the materialistic aren't going to be moved by appeals to moral virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/26 10:08 AM |
| 3 | Men try to gatekeep standardsThe relevant based and redpilled real men of the manosphere can because the know they have the leverage/advantage (illusionary perhaps, but so long as people believe in said illusion it's effectively real). The irrelevant males (i.e. the rest of the males) are irrelevant thus their lack of gatekeeping is similarly irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/26 11:17 AM |
| 0 | Is AI dating necessary or unhealthy?Clankers don't have social legitimacy value, and that will remain the case as long as anti-AI bigotry exists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/26 01:03 AM |
| 2 | Men should just pursue asexual and demisexual women if attraction is such an issue.There's isn't enough social legitimacy in [early 21st century] Euro-Atlantic cultures for asexual/aromantic relationships/marriages to last, or even form in the first place. Speaking of social legitimacy, the moment that you put a measurable/systematic metric it opens up the concept to be exploited by people who wants to game the system, which is how the whole plague of "nice guys" started in the first place. Also of note, people [of the 2020s] are generally cynical/jaded enough that anyone who … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/26 07:27 PM |
| – | Men often demand unconditional admiration while making women earn basic treatmentAll relevant men are scum, and the rest of humanity let them get away with it. Thus the rest of humanity are guilty of enabling such evils. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/26 03:11 PM |
| 2 | Casual sex benifits men more than womenWell, there used to be societal consequences for rakes* and other such ne'er-do-wells (like being run out of town on a rail, among other things), but nowadays trying to levy consequences on such men [by the rest of males] is considered to be envy and thus immoral. *That's right, there were specific terms to insult male promiscuity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/26 02:26 PM |
| – | Would you choose to be born a woman?No, because the adversity of being a male builds character, and wanting a perceived easier existence is a moral failing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/26 05:33 PM |
| 2 | It is not society’s fault that there are men who dont know the difference between casual sex and a relationship."Genuine moral virtues wholly independent of worldly results" might be a sustainable moral doctrine if it had stayed mainly in the cosmic/spiritual sense, rather than migrating into the social norm sense (i.e. society abdicating their responsibility to encourage pro-social behavior and discourage anti-social behavior). What that has to do with the topic at hand is that the other meaningful aspects of deep romantic relationships (duty, obligation, and sacrifice) are in effect discredited in moder… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/26 05:31 PM |
| 1 | Men spend a lot of time trying to humble women, and then claim women are overvaluedThe insults of a misogynist has a greater effect than the reassurances of a thousand simps, that being a byproduct of human nature to place more importance on insults than praise (but craving praise more than insults, thus the disconnect). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/26 12:38 PM |
| 0 | Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming.Cuddling victims (at least in the contemporary mainstream American cultural sense) simply enables their learned helplessness and the wallowing of misery rather than addressing how to move on and deal with those matters. Applying [what most of the rest of the world considers to be] tough love might look like meanspirited victim blaming in the short term but is probably more helpful in the long term. You [the OP] knows this implicitly because that has been your main doctrine for the better part of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/26 10:38 AM |
| 0 | Typical workday hours are just as bad for men as they are for womenThe mid/late 20th century 40hr workday [of the developed world] is an improvement of what came before it (which is the 12-18hr per day, 6-7 days a week, of the industrial revolution), which itself is an improvement to what came before it (dawn to dusk, since the invention of agriculture) which debatably is an improvement over the base nature of humanity (survival is a continuous thing). Things could be better but let's not forget how much worse the default was (and still is in many parts of the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/26 04:24 PM |
| -3 | Why are men obsessed with “submissive”women?Males just don't want to have their home be another [metaphorical] battleground. The audacity of their entitlement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/26 11:19 AM |
| – | What do women think of this other woman's opinion?Such mentalities makes a certain amount of sense in societies/communities with a strong cohesive identity that transcend the individuals within it, which means that even if the bottom rung are called upon to die as cannon fodder and whatnot they were still being motivated by the success of the wider group (even if it does not necessarily include their specific aspects in particular). But modern societies of the Euro-Atlantic democracies doesn't have that cohesion anymore (at least, not one that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/26 11:14 PM |
| 1 | Men can’t really claim to know “the truth” about female attractionObservable reality is close enough to the truth for one to make decisions on, A rigorous pursuit of the full and complete truth will more likely than not paralyze one into inaction (which admittedly can be a desirable outcome- as long as it's the undesirable males who are paralyzed). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/26 08:38 PM |
| 2 | single moms are honestly great and have no problem getting a “good guy”Single mothers have much more social legitimacy to leverage. The problem is that social legitimacy mainly works on undesirable males. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/26 12:18 PM |
| 6 | Most people will find love if they achieve the following things:The difference of "genuine moral virtues wholly independent of worldly results" is that it intentionally does not put in specific/actionable parameters, because as soon as such parameters are given there will be those who will follow them like some guide, and crash out when it doesn't work (and thus creating "nice guys" and their entitlements). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/26 08:08 PM |
| – | Why is “MILF” a top porn category if men are only attracted to young women?Out of a population of millions of males (just using local/regional populations rather than the entire planet, which is irrelevant for ideological purposes) even a small percentage of weirdo means thousands of them. And this is before factoring in bots furthering muddling various statistics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/26 06:15 PM |
| 10 | Most people will find love if they achieve the following things:This kind of thinking/advice is what led to the infestation of "nice guys" that terrorized society during the 2000s to mid 2010s in the first place... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/26 04:28 PM |
| 1 | BP is sex work positive yet fails to reconcile the fact that sex work is inherently misogynistic and literally objectifies womenIt's not hypocritical nor inconsistent to be pro military but anti war, rather it's an acknowledgment of the imperfect nature of the world and the compromises needed. Bluepillers would like an ideal world in which individuals are freed from the chains of labor, but in the absence of that they would want individuals to have the freedom of choice in the selection of what to labor under. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/26 07:57 PM |
| 0 | Bieng a jerk helps a lotAs by doctrine genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, the morally virtuous will not care that the immoral are more competitive across the board. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/26 11:31 AM |
| 1 | Dating isn’t about what you deserve. It’s about what you’re attracted to.Social consensus concerning what are reasonable for one to achieve are essential to keep the undesirable males from inconvenience the rest of society though, and the rise of the modern manosphere is partially due to the dismantling of said consensus in the past couple of decades... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/26 11:29 AM |
| – | Most Men Who Are Obsessed With "Paternity Fraud" Don't Understand GeneticsThe men who care about their lineage will outcompete the males who don't, in both nature and nurture aspects. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/26 10:37 PM |
| 3 | Being upset about not having had sex is not a moral failure or entitlement. Why do you pretend it is ?And society basically let him get away with it, regardless of their official proclamations to the contrary. The unofficial (but acted upon) societal norms are not necessarily the same ones as the officially proclaimed norms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/26 12:29 PM |
| 3 | Being upset about not having had sex is not a moral failure or entitlement. Why do you pretend it is ?Disrupting the social harmony of the larger group (whether it be community or larger units) is a moral failing (from the perspective of said larger group) and trying to get stuff that is beyond one's station (as ordained by the consensus of the larger group) is considered entitlement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/26 11:04 AM |
| 2 | Most women have no desire to use their bodies to soothe the egos of insecure men.The LVMs who know their place & stay in their lane will be outcompeted by the men who refuse to accept their assigned station in life. Thus after generation upon generation of such selection the resulting male population are filled with the descendants of those who don't know how to stay in their lane. Adding to the problem is that the modern cultures of the Euro-Atlantic democracies officially promotes a freedom-centric mentality, which further fuels such entitlements and unruly behavior. The p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/26 03:55 PM |
| – | Why don’t men have a body positivity movement?Because social legitimacy is a means to an end rather than an end in and of itself. Also social legitimacy is also mainly a vibes based thing that is difficult to artificially manufacture via systematic means since the one we have seen [for women] basically disappeared as soon as Ozempic showed up, thus implying that it really didn't convinced many people despite their efforts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/26 10:59 AM |
| 1 | Rollo Tomassi says women shouldn't have been allowed to vote because voting is proxy for war and women would have lost in the case of war, what do you think about this?What he wants to say is that all political and social systems are backed by force of arms with the only difference being the degrees of separation. What he doesn't comprehend is how people can be motivated by higher causes, sometimes even overwriting their baser nature. The real question facing the morally virtuous is: how to sell their moral virtues to enough people? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/26 04:30 PM |
| 0 | Wanting people to be honest that they just want sex is not the same thing as being sex negative.If males really only wanted sex they would have bought it. If they wanted sex in the context of social legitimacy they would also have bought it (cost more and the process is more complex but it can be bought)*. But actual love in the sense of wanting to be with someone (or the perception of) can't be bought [in the context of a explicitly stated transaction]. *while social legitimacy is very much vibes based (which is why systemic solutions don't really work) it can be gamed to a certain extent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/26 03:21 PM |
| 1 | Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality.The line between ambition and fantasy is wherever one's social & moral betters have ordained. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/26 02:48 AM |
| 1 | Can we figure out something to differentiate between old redpill and new redpill?I think the differences between the various subfractions of the Redpill has more to do with the subcultures and local/regional societies that they're operating in (with the underlying core doctrine remaining the same: how to exploit the existing societal norms to one's advantage)*. What you considered to be the more classical schools of redpill thought has more to do with exploiting [relatively] conservative cultures: where there's still a lip service towards moral virtues being something that s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/26 02:52 PM |
| 1 | Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoesWhen [by doctrine] genuine moral virtues becomes decoupled from worldly results, is it really surprising that most people then responds to materialistic/worldly incentives? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/26 12:29 PM |
| 2 | The mere act of being a woman is a moral failing. What does it mean for a woman to be moral ?If one desire validation from one's enemies, one must defeat them first. Otherwise it's just ragebaiting for the purpose of self harm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/26 02:19 AM |
| – | "Passport bros is just about money" is a fable Western women tell themselves to sleep better at night.Same energy as international corporations justifying painting their offshoring in a morally positive light, and similar to those corporations those rationalizations will be rejected by the morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/26 06:05 PM |
| 3 | What is your strongest Pro Blue Pill Argument?As genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results (and thus are sourced internally), the morally virtuous does not care to bribe the materialistic/worldly minded with said materialistic/worldly trinkets. One is (or at least working towards it), or one is not. There is no bargaining to be had. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/26 01:34 AM |
| – | Enshittification of sugar dating is a sign things are badSugar dating has evolved from selling the romantic partner experience to selling to the social legitimacy of having a significant other. However the issue is that social legitimacy is mainly a vibe based construct, thus any attempt at a systematic generation of the construct is doomed to failure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/26 12:12 AM |
| 1 | Do men need variety?All [barring statistically insignificant outliers] relevant men do, and as for the irrelevant males, they're irrelevant so it's a moot point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/26 09:16 PM |
| 2 | Apparently, men dehumanizing women is a normal part of male sexuality.Males who don't call out the heinous behavior of real men are complicit in the patriarchy. Males who do call out those real men are guilty of being envious of the success of their betters (and being guilty of criticizing women in a roundabout way). Thus they're actively partaking in misogynistic behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/26 08:23 PM |
| 1 | Marriage is a substitute for love.The issue with debating the topic is that there isn't really a consensus on what is the meaning of a marriage, and the traits that it includes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/26 04:23 PM |
| – | Men have strong "men are wonderful" bias which makes it impossible to talk about any behavior any men display.Based & redpilled real men of the manosphere do [have a strong in group bias], and the rest of the male population is irrelevant (except in cases where they're on the hook for the sins of the entire gender). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/26 12:45 PM |
| 2 | “Men will treat you as well or as poor as you let them” is a mindset that absolves men of accountability.One can change oneself to adapt in the face of the great injustices of the world, or one can fight (and possibly perish) against the forces of the great injustices of the world. The former is a survival tactic, while the latter leads to martyrdom (and the slim possibility of a better future- for others). But it should be noted that the two mentalities are in direct opposition to each other, and it is almost impossible to do both simultaneously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/26 12:51 AM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵He's paying for the social legitimacy of being in the presence of a woman. His frustration is due to him not realizing what he's paying for (and that he wants far more than that). The woman is selling her dignity & self respect, which in a way is even more degrading than selling one's body. Her frustration is due to her not yet realizing that she's selling her dignity & self respect (and how much that's hurting her mental state). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/26 09:00 PM |
| 1 | Who would be better at Dating, a good or Bad person?Since by doctrine genuine moral virtues are wholly independent from worldly results, ruthless/immoral actions netting better (by material terms) results isn't going to invalidate the morally virtuous and their views. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/26 06:14 PM |
| 2 | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵People living in a system are entitled to the continuation of that system, provided that they have done their part in perpetuating said system. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/26 04:56 PM |
| 1 | If TRP wasn’t true, there wouldn’t be such immediate resistance to and censorship of itMuch of the opposition of the redpill is based on the moral aspects of it, whether it's true or not is of secondary concern. Similar to the opposition towards offshoring and other such topics: The material effects cannot be denied, but the morality of it is very much open to be fought over. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/26 12:58 AM |
| 1 | Blue Piller beliving "dont drowns in pussy = bad human"On the contrary, one of the [implicit] core doctrine of the bluepill is that "genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results". What you have supposedly noticed is in fact something else: that of certain groups openly declaring to the world of their materialistic hedonism and making threats to that effect. The bluepillers are simply taking those words & threats at their face value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/26 05:22 PM |
| 2 | Horny men pretend to care about romance so they can justify being selfish.Why does the morally virtuous insist on dismantling immaterial worldly motivations and then act surprised that what's left are hedonistic materialism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/26 01:53 PM |
| – | Why are feminists so mean to their male friendsUlterior motives are usually more despised than overt malice, and generally males who work against their [material] self interests* are held in suspect (and there's enough examples of male feminists showing their true colors that it colors the perception of the entire type). It's the same template as why "nice guys" are often more despise than literal criminals. *because despite the grand proclamations of many moralists, they are subconsciously aware that humans tend to mainly operate on materia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/26 03:14 AM |
| 1 | If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that idealThe moralist and the materialist have fundamentally incompatible views on the incentive/disincentive structure of human nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/26 01:43 AM |
| 2 | FWB material is better than both hooking up and a relationship.Much of the value of relationships (especially those of the more traditional varieties) are externally sourced: In the sense that the validation for the duty, obligations, and sacrificed that are expected from being in a relationship are from the society & cultural norms. Once those external reinforcements are dismantled there's really not enough left in a relationship to make it enticing enough. And as for the common retort of "there's nothing stopping you from pursuing that" the thing is that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/26 06:38 PM |
| 7 | Men get what they deserve in dating and casual sex sceneIf society & culture isn't going to foster traits that are conductive towards its continued existence, then people should not be surprised that said traits are going to become less common over time. Genuine moral virtues does not care for worldly results/consequences, but unfortunately that also means that worldly results/consequences doesn't care for genuine moral virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/26 03:02 PM |
| – | Do "rage bait studys" and similar also exist in different fields?Trust in scientific institutions and their data is not exactly high these days, and the problem is structural due to where funding comes from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/26 11:42 AM |
| 1 | Everyone wants validation, but the redpill and their ilk take it too far.Then surely, the males who aren't like that are of better social standing than the men who are like that... And if the retort is that doing the minimum is not entitled to reciprocation then [combined with the previous point] the implication is that chasing sexual validation doesn't carry any additional social penalties. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 03:58 PM |
| 3 | Blue Pillers here are probably more misogynistic then the Red Pillers.The problem with the moral doctrine of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" is the abdication of society's responsibility towards the enforcement of behaviors that are necessary for the maintenance of said society. This can be seen in many aspects of modern societies of the Euro-Atlantic democracies that are outside the scope of this subreddit. The manosphere (at least the redpill faction but also some of the others) has simply seen that contemporary society is bei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 12:21 AM |
| 0 | There is no reason for women to ever believe “men feel love through sex”.Sex might not be an indicator of [romantic] love, but the denial of sex is even less likely to be an indicator of [romantic] love. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 06:07 PM |
| 1 | “Men want love too” until you explain that relationships should NOT be seen as the cost of sex.I think the confusion that most people have with OP is that relationships (at least the key features of it) are to a certain extent a social construct (even if it evolved from pragmatic conditions), and modern society has dismantled much of the construct (thinking that they have evolved past such conditions). Thus in modern society (of the Euro-Atlantic democracies) the various types of association between individuals are undefined enough that it can easily be labeled as whatever as the situatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 11:18 AM |
| 2 | The "Emotional Labor" Argument Is Wildly overplayed by women.Once women's emotional labor are properly acknowledged and compensated the discussion will move on to women's social labor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/26 04:44 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵If non obese males are not entitled to any advantages over their obese counterparts, then the implication is that obese men shouldn't be penalized for their obesity. For convenience sake you can assume that I am politically obese. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/26 04:27 PM |
| – | Many women use sex as a reward in dating and relationships.If it's not an explicitly stated legal obligation then don't ever expect it at any point in time. This is the modern social contract. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/26 01:05 PM |
| 2 | What is Red Pill for you?Fundamentally, it is about the rejection of the prevailing moral & social constructs, while exploiting the inherent contradictions of said constructs (as the majority of the rest of the people still adhere to them- supposedly). It doesn't work as well as in theory because as it turns out many of the movers and shakers of the prevailing moral & social constructs also doesn't actually adhere to what they preach, operating on vibes rather than systems. Really most of the modern gender wars tactics … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 11:29 AM |
| 3 | The term "ran-though" needs to end.To get that kind of cultural change requires the following: Males holding men accountable, and societal norms that allows said males to mete out consequences for those men. The second part is very difficult within the framework of modern morality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/26 09:33 PM |
| 2 | What’s keeping the red pill alive?The problem with genuine moral virtues being decoupled from worldly results is that the worldly minded start to ignore moral virtues. So long as the morally virtuous refuse to implement any meaningful consequences to immoral behavior the enemies of morality will continue to flourish. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/26 06:58 PM |
| 1 | If men stopped caring so much, they would have the upper hand in the dating world.If the majority of the males stopped caring then nothing noticeable will change [in the short term- nobody here cares about the long term] besides them not passing on their genes or their values. Now the minority of REAL MEN? Well their actions makes up the majority of the differences, but in the modern moral doctrines of the Euro-Atlantic democracies there's no strong mechanisms to curb their behaviors without infringing on the core principles of individual freedoms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/26 12:53 AM |
| – | Men who claim that women are the most attractive from 18 to 25, what stops you from finding 17 year old girls attractive?There are so many layers* of gotcha moments that it's impossible to go into this discussion in good faith even assuming that the OP is making a sincere effort. *There's the aspect of different people growing at different rates, how environmental factors affect aging (funny how post boomer generations [in the Euro-Atlantic ddemocracies] looked younger seemed to coincide with decreases in underage drinking/smoking/drug use as well as the shift away from blue collar labor), and the societal views o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/26 01:36 PM |
| -1 | Online feminism has adopted TRPs selfishnessWhen moral virtues becomes independent of worldly results, selfishness is more important than ever for security and survival. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/26 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Men could literally wake up one day and repress all the women on earth, men have 0 reason to be upset at women's behaviors.That's why you leverage social legitimacy to utilize the majority of the law & social norm abiding males to keep the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere at bay, but I guess that still requires too much sacrifice from the morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/26 01:32 PM |
| 0 | You CAN be emotionally intimate with your friends. Many just choose only limit is in relationships.Words have meanings, and if the definition between words are blurred it renders all of them meaningless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/26 02:58 PM |
| 2 | Most men aren't desperate for sex/relationship, their issue is that they want to find someone who accepts the lowest possible effort.And why should they, when both doctrine* and observable reality has dictated that results are independent (at best- negatively correlated at worst) of effort? *it might not be the original intention of said various doctrines, but the end results are those regardless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/26 02:55 PM |
| – | What if Dating had a "Standard Protocol"? (An end to the "Vibe" guessing games)The funny thing is, generalization about human traits/desires is true to a certain extent. This is known just by seeing the success of mass production and mass marketing: Most people want similar enough things for their basic needs (and even some more advanced wants: take entertainment for example). Backlash only occurs when it's about oddly specific things or it hits too close to home. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/26 06:50 PM |
| – | What if Dating had a "Standard Protocol"? (An end to the "Vibe" guessing games)Terrible idea, because everyone can think of at least 1 (if not more) situation where they would need an exemption [to the explicitly stated rules], and the aggregate of all that means there is no consensus. Society's existing laws (i.e. the explicitly stated rules rather than the implicit social/cultural norms) comes from a consensus that the majority are willing to compromise on, usually due to the stakes being high enough that they are willing to forgo their exceptional scenarios. Dating isn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/26 12:10 AM |
| – | Other than physical contact, there is no difference between a friendship and relationship.Social legitimacy, [mutual] obligations, and duty [to the group over the individual] are also features that separates relationships and merely friendships/acquaintance. But of course modern societies/cultures of the Euro Atlantic democracies has watered down all those things (because every group knows that there are times when they personally need to weasel out of those expectations) leading to the perception that relationships are no different than casual acquaintances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/26 05:12 PM |
| 1 | Your values and goals affect your type and who you surround yourself with.If the conclusions reached by the OP is taken on topics outside of relationships then it would imply that politicians in democracies are reflections of the voting base, or that [publicly traded] corporations are reflecting the will of the shareholders, or that consumers have a say in the cultural zeitgeist. ... the implications of that are many and daunting, to put it mildly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/26 06:22 PM |
| -1 | You're single until you're married.A scrap of paper backed by an uncaring government isn't going to change a person's inner character. Also explicit and well defined goals are far more vulnerable to be gamed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/26 01:38 AM |
| 4 | "Choose better" until men also have to choose better. Then that's just "female nature".Males tell men to choose better all the time in both official & unofficial capacities, there's a reason why "don't marry the stripper" is frequently heard around in organizations with large numbers of males. But of course the voices of males who aren't considered real men doesn't matter so here we are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/26 07:07 PM |
| 0 | Reaching 18 doesn’t make you a man, having sex does. Yes or no?Officially, no. And by doctrine anything unofficial will be rejected... Unofficially... well, virginity is an insult towards males denoting failures & lack of moral virtues. All unofficially of course. So it doesn't count. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/26 11:31 AM |
| 3 | Women of Reddit are not interested in helping men, they are more interested in abusing and bullying themOr it's something called tough love and some males need a wake up call sufficiently rude enough to actually snap out of their self loathing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/26 10:22 PM |
| 3 | CMV: less marriages would be sexless if men made more of an effortIf there's a correlation between effort and results, then the 2nd order effects would be that of obligations & expectations- for everyone. And that, the modern morally virtuous would find intolerable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/26 07:38 PM |
| 3 | The battle of the sexes in dating is mostly an online thing.Give the amount of time spent on screens it can be argued that the online is the real world for most people in the present day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/26 07:13 PM |
| -1 | Implicit beliefs matter more than explicit beliefs. Just like actions speak louder than words.I didn't say anything on race, unless the implication is that grouping are intrinsically race based (they're not) or that they Euro-Atlantic democracies are of the same race (they're not, the Anglo-Saxons, the Germanics, the Latins, the Balts, the Scandinavians, etc.). If anything, the modern prevailing cultural climate of the Euro-Atlantic democracies is this cosmopolitan mix with an (on paper) supremacy of secular liberal progressive values (that are again on paper color blind). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/26 03:38 PM |
| 0 | Implicit beliefs matter more than explicit beliefs. Just like actions speak louder than words.Oh so now people care about the implicit norms rather than just the explicit technicalities. Soon the discussions will shift to a hybrid system in which the ingroup will justify their need for exemptions for themselves while holding the out group to a higher standard. Now on to slightly more on topic implicit assumptions requires a relatively tight knit society and common shared culture, which the modern Euro-Atlantic democracies for the most part lack. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/26 03:08 PM |
| – | Male sexuality just seems borderline antisocial to meTraits that are conductive towards social harmony need to be incentivized (or nurtured for those who are hung up on terminology), but somehow the modern morally virtuous seemed to have forgotten (if not rejected) that concept. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/26 12:50 PM |
| 1 | Why do men complain so much?Because [in the societies of the Euro-Atlantic democracies] there has been a precedence set since post WWII for non violent protests (i.e. publicly complaining) as the socially acceptable way to foster social changes (though one could even make the argument that the roots of the notion goes even further back to the enlightenment). Crushing the whining of LVMs would require repudiating the post WWII consensus, if not the enlightenment, though that will likely have 2nd & 3rd order effects, some of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/26 12:46 AM |
| 2 | Sex isn't as big a deal as most people make it out to be.It's not a big deal so long as there are other things to strive for which gives purpose and sense of belonging. Modern cultures and societies of the Euro-Atlantic democracies had cut down most of those in the past couple of decades ever since the end of history (even though history didn't end obviously), correctly realizing that all those causes can (and did) easily hijacked for heinous ulterior motives but were unable to formulate a good enough substitute. Hence why so many males in the present… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/26 04:03 PM |
| 3 | If it was about women being consistent with their sexual behavior, then it would make more sense for men to pursue women who makes everyone wait for sex.Vetting skills is generally a vibes/instincts based thing, while debating in this subreddit is generally an evidence based thing. Therefor it is effectively impossible for a male to prove his capability to vet in a manner that is satisfactory to the standards of this subreddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/26 01:05 PM |
| 4 | What do you think Blue Pill is?Given that much of the debates really sprung up (all the way back in the 2010s if not earlier)* down river of the notion that "just because you're a nice guy doesn't mean you deserve a relationship (or even just be more successful than a jerk), real good men do good things because it's in their nature" we can derive that "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" is a core doctrinal point. The redpill [metaphorically] sprung out of that rejection of that doctrinal concep… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/26 11:19 AM |
| 1 | Men Don’t Want to Be Sex Objects Either.Perhaps the fuckboi is a bad option compared to the theoretical idealized option, but compared to the other realistic options (pack mule, cannon fodder, wagie, etc.) that most males have, it's the best of the available options. It doesn't have to be that way, but the contemporary doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results have mitigated much of the negative side effect of being a fuckboi while simultaneously stripped away most of the perks of the other options,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/26 03:28 PM |
| -1 | What's the difference between the red pill and misogyny?Misogyny denies the moral virtues of women, the redpill exploits the moral virtues of women. The [relevant] difference between the two is that the redpill brings worldly/material success to its adherents, as distasteful for the morally virtuous to even acknowledge that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/26 11:33 AM |
| 2 | CMV: This new "date deposit" app is a great idea!It's putting a price on social legitimacy, and like most attempts in putting explicit rules where there were only implicit norms before this would just make the minimum effort a known thing, which encourages people to put less effort (now that they know what the explicitly stated minimums are). In the long run this will negatively affect women by lowering the effort males will put out, as well as encouraging those with ulterior motives (after all, if incels can prove that they're not incels by m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/26 04:06 PM |
| 3 | Men and women are quicker to defend the use of porn than they are to defend SA victims.Or they believe that it's something that [sex work] is so fundamentally exploitative in its very essence that it cannot be reformed, akin to trying to make chattle slavery compatible with modern human rights. Doctrinally it is internally consistent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/26 02:19 AM |
| 2 | Those who do not believe delayed sex is a cause of concern, how would you respond to this scenario?The persons who would put up with such an imbalance are also so much lower value (whatever values that are being gauged) that they're not really wanted in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/26 02:17 AM |
| 1 | If men prefer women under 25, what women expected to do about it?Leverage social legitimacy to lock down a tolerable provider type male. What he thinks in the dark recess of his mind is mostly irrelevant as social obligations and sense of duty will keep him in line. But the problem is that that kind of advice won't work on the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere, and those are the only men that matters isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/26 01:45 PM |
| 1 | A male's choice to oppress women is rooted in their fear of women's social, emotional, & intellectual power.Moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results in the same way that worldly results are independent of moral virtues. You can shout all day on the immorality of brute force, but the brute force will continue its application regardless (barring counter application of force from another side, but that's the difficult part...). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/26 12:17 PM |
| 1 | Men have been programmed to think sex is everything.It's the natural consequences of deemphasizing every other source of motivation in the name of stamping out ulterior motives and the patriarchal systems. The morally virtuous have recognized that every form of motivation will be hijacked and coopted by sinister forces, but still (for the most part) cannot face the reality that without those sources of motivations humans will default to their baser instincts and immediate gratifications. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/26 12:15 PM |
| 1 | Sexpat destinations are going to disappear as countries become more developed.Kinda weird to see this level of optimism in a time period (this being the mid 2020s, for future historian to reference) where there's a growing perception even in the developed world that standards of living are collapsing across the board. But then again, if every [relevant] place collapse into developing/undeveloped status, then the exploitation that the passportbros inflict upon the developing world would disappear, simply because everyone would be too poor (outside the rich Epstein types, b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/26 12:12 PM |
| 1 | If immediate sex is required, then a relationship was a secondary optional goal.Lies they might be, but the world of truth would be a lot less comfortable, if not outright unlivable, for most people. The lies of society is what keep the baser nature of humanity at bay. While we're at it, remove the overt motives, and only ulterior motives are left. Remove the ulterior motives, and only those with no motives are left. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/26 03:26 PM |
| 0 | "Really good people don't demand a reward!" is bullshit logic.The logic is also being applied in the corporate world and the rest of society for a while now. In terms of employment, loyalty & hard work is less competitive compared to job hopping and such. Brand loyalty nowadays is actively punished with the eshittification of all sorts of products & services. In politics, well, it's pretty obvious with all those political parties intentionally screwing over their constituents on the regular, and yet expect loyalty from said constituents all the same. And w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/26 01:01 PM |
| – | Most men here don't like women and that's their issue in datingWomen [on this subdreddit] have straight up said that they prefer serial killers over "incels", so they are technically doctrinally consistent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/26 03:03 PM |
| – | Most men here don't like women and that's their issue in datingBefore anyone post those studies that shows misogynists being more successful in getting into relationships, keep in mind that from society's implicit norms even the misogynist is more moral than the incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/26 01:46 PM |
| 3 | There is nothing sufficient proving bluepillAs genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, it does not matter that there are [supposedly] no worldly/physical/material evidence for the successful of bluepill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/26 01:09 PM |
| 0 | I absolutely hate to admit it but the release of the Epstein files is exactly why people get anxious over potentially false claims of sexual assaultI'm talking about accusations in general, which is what the OP [of the topic] is trying to discuss [that of most accusations being effectively witch hunts]. I'm just saying even witch hunts work exactly as intended, but that people for the most part does not want to acknowledge that it works because it makes them look less like the paragons of moral virtues that they want to cast themselves as. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/26 01:07 PM |
| 0 | I absolutely hate to admit it but the release of the Epstein files is exactly why people get anxious over potentially false claims of sexual assaultIf an accusation gains enough momentum, that at least marks out the accused of being guilty of annoying the social consensus, which is more than enough reasons for society to mete out consequences. Vibes based justice system works very well, it's just that it works well because it serves the baser nature of humanity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/26 11:53 AM |
| 15 | CMV: Rejection is hotSo what's the incentive for males to partake in getting rejected in large numbers besides the suffering? People are not going to go out of their way to do things that brings no benefit to them (if not active negatives) on the individual level, even if the wider society might benefit from it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/26 03:24 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Rejection is hotSadism, the enjoyment of the suffering of others. It is a trait very much intwined in the human condition (even if the modern enlightened humans want to pretend otherwise). Often a layer of moralizing is added to make the enjoyment compatible with moral virtues (they're not enjoying the suffering per say- they're just enjoying the justice being dispensed). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/26 03:23 PM |
| 1 | Guys who complain about “fairness” won’t ask for a hookup because it hurts their victim complex.When law & social norm abiding males fail to shout down the wickedly minded men, then they implicitly concede that those men are spokespeople for the male collective (even though it's already known that there is little male solidarity). Regardless of whether it's moral or not to reach that conclusion, it is going to be the conclusion reached pragmatically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/26 01:50 PM |
| 2 | What do you wish women would understand about dating women?Women, by their very existence in a society, imbued social legitimacy to any male they associate with [in the context of a relationship]. This is generally passive (and if anything takes an active effort to negate it) which is why it's not discussed much. This social legitimacy that the male receive from women mark them as safe and productive members of society (as opposed to those wicked incels), which opens up a lot of opportunities in life (socially, career wise, etc.). This is crux of the an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/26 01:23 PM |
| – | Q4M: Do most men really want trophy wives/gfs (or bfs if they’re gay/bi)?It's more of a class thing, of which there are variations of: The ones of the new money upper class: i.e. the standard example that people think off, which they see a spouse as just another toy to be acquired and enjoy/exploit. A subcategory of that are those who has aspirations to enter into said upper class. This is why one often hears about "wife changing wealth" from crypto investors/HODLers. The middle class who wants to buy social legitimacy (but lack the moral virtues to acquire them the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/26 11:21 PM |
| 2 | Sought after men's behaviour is making it hard for normal women to get an LTRThere are plenty of solutions [through the application of societal pressure, both on the local and wider scale] to bring those men back in line, but none of them are acceptable to [the relevant] women because they're not pissed off at the situation itself, but merely the consequences of it. Thus the onus is on the irrelevant males to atone for the sins of the real men, which is an Sisyphean task for all intents and purposes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/26 01:13 PM |
| 2 | Sought after men's behaviour is making it hard for normal women to get an LTRThe flip side of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" is that worldly results become independent of genuine moral virtues... and now the said genuine morally virtuous are facing the consequences in the same way as those of lesser previously who they had rebuked for not being genuine enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/26 12:11 PM |
| 2 | Trying to pretend like you can vet someones character on a first date is very ignorantIn early 21st century dating scene, the first physical/RL date is supposed to be the cumulation point after significant time & effort have already been invested in online interaction (and not of the anonymous variety, but one in which [in theory] between real individuals presenting as themselves). Thus, it is not the first foray into the unknown, but the gathering of additional information to either reinforce (or discredit) previous gathered information. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/26 02:34 AM |
| 1 | “We want consistency” is a lie. If it wasn’t about immediate sex, you would never require it.I would like to see consistency in society on matters of employment (specifically hiring practices), criminal justice system, and other things in which present situation seems to incentivizing criminal/immoral behavior and emphasizing punishing those who point out the problems more than the problem causers themselves. But that, goes against the doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results and thus I'm the bigger villain than the actual criminals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/26 11:18 PM |
| – | “Choose better” until that means women wont fuck a stranger.The masses of the lesser males call out those superior men all the time, they just get accused of envy, ulterior motives, and their accusations dismissed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/26 06:50 PM |
| – | “Choose better” until that means women wont fuck a stranger.Most males don't have enough of an in-group solidarity with the more "successful" men nor deluded enough to believe that there will be exceptional circumstances in which they will benefit from. But then again that's also the reason that most males are irrelevant in the gender wars. If anything, the charges that can be levied against most males is that they want to drag those superior men down to their level by applying consequences to their actions. Of course that's a bad thing because by the do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/26 04:54 PM |
| – | Being seen as only hookup material is not a good thingExpulsion from said society, whether it be exile, shunning, ostracization, etc.. The point is to remove those males from society so that their corrosive effects are no longer affecting said society. Modern societies (especially internet ones) no longer have those mechanism in any effective sense, and those bad actors more often than not simply hop back in another identity, or hop into another [easily integrated] society and continue their disreputable activities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/26 11:49 AM |
| – | Being seen as only hookup material is not a good thingThe thing there, there are males who fit in OP's mentality in the sense that they value duty & sacrifice more than hedonism. Thing is they also get culled out of the gene pool & the cultural zeitgeist generation after generation so here we are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/26 11:30 AM |
| – | Being seen as only hookup material is not a good thingThat's all the more reasons to have a coherent society so that it can enforce norms to make hookups unappealing for males by handing out more consequences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/26 11:28 AM |
| – | Being seen as only hookup material is not a good thingAll of those points only matter if there's a coherent society to enforce its norms. In the absence of that most of the perks of [serious] relationships falls off and it becomes less competitive in comparison to hookups. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/26 11:21 AM |
| 3 | The real dating issues, from the Redpill POV, is basically “We want women who ignore red flags, but sadly, those women still have standards when it comes to sex”.Because the fake is more real than the real. This can be seen everywhere, in that the leadership (political, corporate, social/community, local, etc.) tends to be filled with scumbags even when the masses professed to desire moral virtues. Or that most people secretly desire those same negative traits or embody those themselves, but if that's the case then society wouldn't have formed or evolved in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/26 11:14 AM |
| -2 | Does reasonable expectation of sex exist?Expectation of sex can exist when all parties share the same cultural norms (with all of its implicit unwritten obligations and entitlements). So no, not for the modern morally virtuous folks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/26 12:42 AM |
| 1 | what happened yesterday on this sub only fuels the pointless gender warsYes I do believe that societies [especially those that practice the doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results] should take drastic measures to expel those who intent on violating the social compact. Not even as a form of punishment, just for self preservation reasons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/26 01:25 AM |
| 3 | Nobody is trying to get you to lower your standards, dating is a free marketSocial norms and community consensus exists for those partaking in societies & communities, and those who partake in them knows of the pressures that said societies & communities can apply to those who deviate from them. Just because it's all technically not explicitly stated doesn't mean it's not there or has no effect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/26 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Guys will claim "Society generally treat women better than man" and yet never look at other generalizations that could contribute to that.This is what happens when the law & social norm abiding males failed to atone for the sins of based & redpilled real men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/26 03:05 PM |
| 9 | Autistic males are treated worse than autistic females because alot of autistic males dont know how to behave and lack empathy.Christianity managed to reconcile "genuine moral virtues are independent of worldly results" and "one's misfortune are the result of one's wickedness" though the addition of the variable of the afterlife (and an omnipotent being handling a cosmic balance on morality that's outside of the material world). The question now is how does the secular moralist reconcile these two seemingly opposite doctrinal points? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/26 01:00 AM |
| – | Are misogynists good men or are women justified to despise them?Well, at least they're consistent with their moral doctrine, as some have already voiced views to the effect of how even serial killers are better than incels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/26 08:46 PM |
| 2 | Why some view husband material as a form of settlingThe societal issue is that it no longer mete out punishments to fuckbois in any meaningful fashion. Communities are not cohesive enough to make exile, ostracization, and blacklisting effective. In terms of the law there's even less of that. Shaming & guilt tripping tend to be applied collectively which when added to the lack of social cohesion meant it's mostly the rest of the males who are facing the brunt of the consequences. Hence why there's a growing perception amongst the male populations … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/26 06:29 PM |
| 2 | Men can also desire a small percentage of the population. They just pretend it’s the average woman.It is a standard doctrine among the morally virtuous: that the law & social norm abiding majority must atone for the criminal & immoral minority because there are no mechanisms in place to actually punish said criminal & immoral. But somebody has to pay, and it's easier to guilt trip & shame the law & social norm folks than the immoral folks. Things starts to become less tenable when the criminal & immoral becomes large enough to become a plurality... but the truly morally virtuous does not conc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/26 12:55 PM |
| – | Are misogynists good men or are women justified to despise them?So sexual success are intrinsically linked with moral virtues. Surely this will have no impact on the doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/26 11:49 AM |
| – | For “Men can want sex AND relationships” to be believed, they can’t despise non-sexual relationship activities and the vetting process.The males who are willing to wait (or even accept asexual aromatic relationships) are often held in more suspicion and revulsion, for actions occur due to motives, either ulterior or overt. Remove all motives means removing the spark of which actions occurs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/26 11:08 PM |
| – | Genuine question , what do men get out of this sub or subs similar to this.I'm just here to learn moral virtues from women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/26 08:23 PM |
| 2 | What's your Blue Pill success story?Since by doctrine genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results worldly examples of successes are irrelevant for validating the morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/26 07:53 PM |
| 3 | Being hookup/FWB material is better than being husband material.Only in the context devoid of a social/community structure. And before the morally virtuous feels too smug about this, your doctrine isn't exactly helping in the maintenance of said social/community structure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/26 05:26 PM |
| 7 | People need sex the same way spoiled brats need the newest iPhone.If one go down the path of categorizing everything that isn't an immediately physical necessity as some sort of entitlement to unnecessary luxuries, then one run the risk of the same been levied one's own sacred cows as well. And the 2nd order effect of that is the dismantling of the social compact, with the 3rd order effect being that of a low trust society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/26 12:42 PM |
| 1 | Guys who say “I want to REALLY be desired” and “I just want consistency” often reveal that they see relationships as the cost of sex, not the goal itself.Doctrinally, the problem with the modern morally virtuous is that they're losing on both the nature and the nurture aspects. By doctrine they're very likely going to end up raising the children of those who lack those moral virtues, and the way they promote their views is so unappealing that it turns most normal people off from it, thus also losing on the nurture aspect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/26 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Women don't contribute as much as they think in a relationship.Women contribute a lot of social & emotional labor by their very presence but said value of labor is worthless if the males in question never wanted those in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/26 06:53 PM |
| 1 | Does society pressure men into relationships with women they do not truly want to be with?Social pressures are only relevant when there's a cohesive and [relatively] tight knit community to apply said pressures. Modern societies in the Euro-Atlantic democracies [for the most part- especially urban places] tend to lack those traits to apply such pressures effectively. Most the supposed pressure in those cases are mainly self inflicted and/or residual from upbringing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/26 06:52 PM |
| 9 | Do women really periorize Money?No, otherwise there wouldn't be so many [supposedly RL] stories of where women got stuck with some worthless NEET loser for an SO. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/26 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Woman are actually pretty bad at filtering.Women are great at filtering, it's just that many males doesn't understand (or doesn't want to acknowledge) that women despises ulterior motives far more than even overt malice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/26 03:25 PM |
| – | How good do you think woman can actually filter men?Remember: Ulterior motives are more despised than overt malice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/26 01:16 PM |
| – | If RP denigrates women for sleeping with men, why should women choose ANY man?Because adherence to that logic will only cull out the majority of the rest of the males, and not the elite men that the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere are. They are counting on those follow that logic to falter, and reaping the rewards of the exceptions. And the rest of the males will have to deal with the consequences of that, as is tradition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/26 01:58 AM |
| 2 | "Really good people don't demand a reward!" is bullshit logic.A society/community/culture can achieve* something close to the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results" as long as it has a strong in group homogeneity and still ruthlessly expel the immoral from it (not even primarily as a punishment, just to ensure that said immoral parties and their disreputable activities doesn't affect the community going forward). Without those strong measures any such society/community/cultures will inevitably devolve as the immoral e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/26 08:45 PM |
| 1 | Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior.A morality system without worldly incentive/disincentive structure will remain a theoretical. A system with a social based incentive/disincentive structure will work [for the in group] so long as there's a strong in group to enforce the structure but will not for those of the out group (that operates in their own system- those who are dependent upon the in group can be beaten into submission. resentful perhaps, but at surface submission regardless). Also, on a side note, the genuinely morally vi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/26 06:27 PM |
| 2 | Some men dont hold conversations and creepy behavior is a legitimate issue.Creepy is simply what societal consensus dictates as deviating from said societal norms. But what if societies and cultures themselves are too balkanized to reach such consensus? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/26 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience?Being motivated by moral virtues is an alien concept for those who live on a materialistic/worldly mindset. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/26 12:55 AM |
| 1 | The economy and rising costs are influencing women's 'six figure' standardsThe socially middle class refuse to acknowledge the illusion of unsustainable amounts of credit card debt (and a lot of fraud) and tries to reach that level of consumption the honest way (it is impossible). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/26 11:07 AM |
| 1 | The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men.That would imply that there's a consensus on societal norms, which is increasingly not the case, something that the algorithm of social media has caused in large part. As for the usual retort of "touch grass", the average time people spend in front of a screen is close to 7 hours a day, practically all their free time once work (8 hr + travel time) & sleep (assuming 8 hr) is factored in. In other words touching grass is increasingly the exception rather than the norm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/26 12:29 AM |
| 2 | Project AVA Is A Sign That Things Are Getting Worse In DatingSo long as AIs lack the ability to reject undesirables they will not be granted the social legitimacy of a real SO. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/26 01:00 PM |
| 2 | "Missing out on being a hoe" - is this real?Same reasons as most males musing about not joining the military and become some supersoldier spec ops war hero: it's a fantasy, it's known to the a fantasy (with the actual reality being most likely disappointing), and it stays a fantasy (in that when pointed out that they can still just go try such offers are usually not taken up on). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/26 10:55 PM |
| 0 | Why is virgin used as an insult if sex and relationships are supposedly not important?Because the implication is that if a male cannot even achieve something that is widely considered to be trivial, what does that say about he's worth to society (or rather, those who ordained themselves to be socially & morally above him)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/26 06:50 PM |
| 3 | The redpill thinks society hates men is because they're projecting their problems onto all men.It's difficult to discuss the other aspects of the matter because by the purpose of the subreddit they would be off topic, and thus easily dismissed if not actively deleted by the mods. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/26 03:20 PM |
| 1 | The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability.And the morally virtuous are abdicating their accountability when they detached worldly results from moral virtues (which also implicitly detached worldly consequences from immorality). If people within a society is not willing to enforce its norms via a robust incentive/disincentive structure, it will inevitably face being exploited out of existence, after which a new society [with a robust incentive/disincentive system] forms. And is applies to things outside of relationships. For examples the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/26 04:51 PM |
| – | If you’re a teenager or young adult into the “red pill” pipeline or “manosphere”, there’s a strong chance you’re going to end up really regretting itAnd what does the morally virtuous offer besides blood, toil, tears and sweat? At least back in the day Churchill had the political common sense to promise a light at the end of the tunnel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/26 11:06 AM |
| 2 | Courting's not a scam, its an effective strategySocial legitimacy is a means to an end rather than an end in of itself, and it's only valuable as a means if there's a society to cash in on. Modern cultures in the Euro-Atlantic democracies has little of that, hence why increasingly numbers of men/males no longer see value in doing courtship. But of course nobody also wants to go back to the bad old days, for social legitimacy also requires expectations, and everyone can recall at least 1 scenario in which they would need to abdicate such expec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/26 06:04 PM |
| 2 | It's All ProstitutionAll human actions can be summarized in terms of economic terms of transactions but for most people there's an obvious difference between explicit stated transactions and implicit but unstated transactions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/26 03:47 PM |
| 10 | How come men are so comfortable in their own skin ?Survivorship bias: Nobody cares about all the short and/org ugly males that offed themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/26 11:51 AM |
| 1 | What's so bad about being friends with women anyway?Friendship is not a free action. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/26 07:56 AM |
| 2 | Men, stop expecting praise/rewards for not committing crimes nor cheating.Society should not expect maintenance of itself after they dismantled the incentive/disincentive structure. Moral virtues is not the default of humans, it's baser instincts that is. And without a robust societal incentive/disincentive structure humans will return to said baser instincts: at best merely selfish, at worst actively harming others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/26 11:46 AM |
| 2 | Why do so many assume this "has much sex = good" "dont has much sex = bad" scheme ?The implicit assumption still exist, it just morphed into the rationalization that the serial killer is less heinous than the incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/26 12:48 AM |
| 3 | Why do so many assume this "has much sex = good" "dont has much sex = bad" scheme ?Because sex [under normal circumstances] implicitly requires trust/vetting as a prerequisite. Thus men who had sex are seen by society as of good character as they have the trust of women while males who can't get sex are seen as society as bad because they cannot get the trust of a single woman in the entire world, and that's very damning. Of course one can find numerous exceptions of that, usually by adding additional variables/criteria and such. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/26 11:13 PM |
| 2 | Most assholes dont admit theyre assholes. They typically have a victim complex.You're thinking in a logical manner. However in an emotional way of gauging the severity doesn't apply until it happens [to the person in question], before then it has an emotional value of irrelevant (or even positive, hence criminals and rogues of all kinds get romanticized by those who have never had the misfortune of being on the wrong end of them). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/26 08:29 PM |
| 13 | Most assholes dont admit theyre assholes. They typically have a victim complex.In the context of the terminally online, the male who says mean words is far worse than the convicted felon, for the latter is mainly notional with little effect/consequences to the [said terminally online] while the former is a clear & present danger on the daily. In simpler terms people know their chances of being killed by a hardened felon is actually very low (unless one's in places like Brazil or something) but hurt feelings from people who say mean things is a daily occurrence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/26 01:47 PM |
| 9 | Q4M: How is it that mid guys with no game still pull 10s overseas?It distresses the morally virtuous when they see [even in the abstract] undesirables do anything to escape their suffering (as said suffering is simply the dispensing of cosmic justice). Thus they must do the morally correct thing and stamp out those attempts wherever they are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/26 04:07 PM |
| – | The reason birthrates are falling is the raise of divorce ratesMaterialistic hedonism has become the guiding moral principle but people aren't ready to have that discussion yet (nor will they by anytime soon, corporate don't like it when the consumers start questioning why morality is somehow pegged to specific materialistic expectations). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/26 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: How is it that mid guys with no game still pull 10s overseas?Same reasons companies that are uncompetitive domestically finds success when offshoring: Arbitrage. They have something not appreciated in their homeland, but is appreciated elsewhere. And both are hated by the morally virtuous for the same reasons: For the morally virtuous believe that the have nots could simply be uplifted to the standards of the haves through unlimited charity without strings attached, or failing that, their unuplifted existence is still a nobler one than being [supposedly] … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/26 11:31 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The concept of "financial celibacy" is petty and unfairSocial legitimacy (which is implicitly assumed from a woman's presence) is only valuable for those males who seek it (and they seek it as a means to an end, rather than an end to itself). Men who does not care for such social legitimacy will obviously not pay for it. Appeals to morality only matters so far as there is a society robust enough to apply social pressures to its component members, which modern societies in Euro-Atlantic democracies for the most part lack. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/26 03:28 PM |
| 1 | If you want to sleep with a woman you are attracted to you might have to do things to woo herBut then, the morally virtuous would have to acknowledge that there's an implicit social contract in that those who do the expected things could expect results/outcomes, and that means that [for 2nd and 3rd order effects] that they cannot back out of such social compacts in certain necessary circumstances... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/26 08:43 PM |
| 3 | Question for Blue Pill: If kindness is as important when it comes to attraction as the mainstream says, how do you explain all these horrible men having girlfriends?The [implicit] flip side of "genuine moral virtues are independent of worldly results " is that behaviors that are negative towards social cohesion aren't punished, and oftentimes their negative effects are pushed onto unrelated 3rd parties entirely. In effect, it is the admission and excusing of the triumph of evil. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/26 11:31 AM |
| 3 | It's weird to get offended when anyone criticizes shitty people that have nothing to do with you.The premise is true on the assumption that people are consistent with their categorization and terminology, which many here have not shown such good faith consistently enough to assume that to be the norm. People are aware that their opponents are hiding behind plausible deniability & unspoken [but implicit] assumptions to insult their opposition while technically not breaking any specific rules. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/26 02:20 PM |
| 1 | Stop looking for unconditional love. Its unrealistic and entitled.And those males who settle for more realistic goals/standards are rightfully denounced for their ulterior motives. And those who thought they're slick by settling for realistic goals/standards while keeping up airs of pursuing the more romantic worldview are still denounced for their ulterior motives, plus their false front. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/26 09:36 PM |
| 2 | The red pill is delusional about single mom dating optionsIndifference hurts when it used to be love. Not when it’s just aimed at strangers The trick is that a lot of these men have already concocted elaborate fantasy worlds in which they have enough backstories in which their opposition aren't strangers, thus they get to derive the benefits of the rage heaped upon them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/25 04:20 PM |
| 1 | What's With the Sudden Increase in "Women Being Lead?"Leadership is different from rulership (though the two does have some overlap). Most people want the benefits of rulership (someone else doing the grunt work) without the downsides of leadership (responsibility & accountability). The trick, of course, is to sock the other party with the downsides with reaping the benefits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/25 04:16 PM |
| 2 | The red pill is delusional about single mom dating optionsThe opposite of love is not hate, but indifference, and rage those men receive from women on a daily basis is music to their ears. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/25 03:34 PM |
| 1 | The red pill is delusional about single mom dating optionsIf anything, a single mother would have a easier time leveraging her social legitimacy value in securing a provider male coparent, but said social legitimacy value is less than worthless as far as snagging a based & redpilled real man of the manosphere is concerned. That, is the first half of the Redpill's point, the second half being that despite grand proclamation from single mothers (and their allies) that they no longer desire (or never did so in the first place) such based & redpilled real … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/25 02:57 PM |
| 2 | Whats your best Blue Pill success Story?As by doctrine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, the bluepill is not validated by worldly successes, nor invalidated by lack of worldly successes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/25 02:13 PM |
| 5 | Why do we have a generation of "weak" men?When moral virtues become decoupled from worldly results then it is natural that the morally virtuous would be outcompeted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/25 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Why do men think there are so many good menIf males are as bad on average as women believed there wouldn't have be a functioning society in the first place. Also society is not a construct independent of the humans that composed it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/25 11:16 AM |
| 1 | If the majority of people you know are dysfunctional, that's your fault.It applies even in non democratic countries, for when conditions become so intolerable people can and will revolt and sometimes those revolts even work in toppling said governments. The point is that in the post WWII consensus of the Euro-Atlantic democracies is the evil governments are an external thing thrust upon peoples, which are generally portrayed as victims (which is why one often hears "I don't hate the people of X country, I just hate their government" disclaimer even from ardent natio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/25 12:14 PM |
| 5 | If the majority of people you know are dysfunctional, that's your fault.Then by that logic evil politicians, corporate leadership, community heads, etc. are the fault of the people regardless of political, economic, & social systems because they continuously tolerated (if not implicitly support) those scumbags in power. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/25 11:05 AM |
| 2 | Thoughts for men who stay mad at women"Genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results" and "your misfortunes are the result of your wickedness" are difficult to reconcile, being that they're almost the opposite of each other so far as societal obligations are concerned. But they must reconcile them, for they want the lack of obligations implied by the former and the convenience of enforcement of informal justice implied in the latter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/25 12:12 AM |
| 6 | No one told men that good manners and good morals translated to sexual desire within most women.Pragmatically, for societies to perpetuate itself, it would need to incentivize behaviors that promotes social cohesion (and disincentivize behaviors that do the opposite). Thus it can be concluded that the moral doctrine of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" will over the long term dissolve the very societies from which it sprang from through the repudiation of the existing social compact. In a few decades we will see either a regression to older forms of social… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/25 11:43 AM |
| 1 | Do men actually prefer if their girlfriend is a virgin?The implication of that is that due to the nature of the internet and its interaction with human nature, the screeching of hatred is much louder (and moreover, being listened to) than the reassurance of affirmation, hence the haters (relevant men) will be heard (and their examples be used as an indictment against the entire male gender) and the reassurance of non-hating males irrelevant (hence all the bemoaning about the lack of support on the regular on both here and social media in general) Th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/25 02:09 PM |
| 1 | Do men actually prefer if their girlfriend is a virgin?Asking such questions on the internet to what effectively amounts to strangers implies a need for the consensus of said strangers, many of whom have no incentive to answer in good faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/25 12:18 PM |
| 0 | Do men actually prefer if their girlfriend is a virgin?All relevant men do and the rest of the males are irrelevant. The question then becomes why are those men relevant? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/25 01:46 AM |
| 2 | Men demand empathy from women, and at the same time they punish women for being empathetic.When moral virtues become decoupled from worldly results, then it is to be expected that the morally virtuous would be reduced to an exploitable resource. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/25 01:43 PM |
| 3 | Women should just cut off any access to intamcy till they get the result they want.Realistically, this will affect neither men nor males: Women will make exceptions for the relevant men and the rest of the males aren't getting laid in the first place to see any difference. It's akin to Trump's tariffs: Hitting a lot of regular allies while Russia is suspiciously not hit that much (if at all). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/25 03:51 PM |
| 1 | If you want exclusivity with a person, you should be willing to communicate that.This is what happens when implicit social norms have been dismantled and not replaced with anything in a meaningful sense. But the problem with implicit social norms is that they have expectations, and everyone knows of at least one situation where they need to weasel out of said expectations. While we're at it, it's not as if explicit statement mean much if there's not much in the way of social cohesion to back it up. This can also been seen in low trust societies that technically had the same … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/25 01:38 PM |
| 2 | Women should not date, sleep with, or in any way sexually validate men who are conservative/right-wingThis attempt as a systematic solution to a vibes based problem will fail like the ones before it as it will inevitably end up having vibes based exemptions for the applications of said solutions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/25 11:40 AM |
| 0 | Who gives more and who takes more: men vs womenThe relevant men take far more than women, who then takes out their righteous indignation on the irrelevant males as a proxy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/25 11:37 PM |
| 1 | Rebranding sexual validation as "empowerment" reduces agency for both men and women.At its core, the human being, like any creature, seeks to maximize its chances of passing on its genes (i.e. reproduction). When societies/cultures have discredited all forms of higher motivations, it finds that the population will return to that baser nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/25 09:15 PM |
| 1 | At what age range do you wish women would stay physically and mentally forever?It's weird how this small and insignificant group of men that everyone profess to hate & despise (as well as supposedly at the fringes of society) somehow has this absolute chokehold on women and society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/25 12:16 PM |
| 1 | What motivation is there for dating in a Red Pill world?A sense of purpose, duty, and sacrifice in contributing to the greater community (whatever that is) at large at taking on the role of the provider. After all, not all males have what it take to become the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere, and thus the rest of the males will have to settle with roles such as providers and worker drones... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/25 09:49 PM |
| – | Yes you do have a choice, stop acting like a helpless victim to your hormones and desires as a man and learn to process them and make decisionsMorally speaking the OP is correct, but moving on from that in terms of worldly consequences playing the victim is the current model of getting stuff in Euro-Atlantic democracies - at least officially (and thus the problem of low value males dare to think they're equal to the rest of various marginal groups in terms of access to those tools). Thus the males who duck down and doesn't rock the boat will be outcompeted (however slight) by the professional victims. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/25 09:45 PM |
| 1 | If women were not into men, there wouldn't be so many women being side chicks and humiliating themselves for a manWhy this happens exactly, I'm not sure. Probably a combination of attempting to use a systematic solution to a vibe based problem while also having vibes based exemption to the application to said systematic solution (thus defeating the purpose of the solution while making the problem worse). In less autistic terms: Vigilante mob justice by males is no longer considered socially acceptable, while the legal system will not go after the truly guilty ones because those tend to be high up on the sys… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/25 06:54 PM |
| 2 | Why men still ask women on dates if they don't want to pay?Because they're not interested in paying for the social legitimacy value of the woman in question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/25 11:12 AM |
| 2 | Forgiveness for past sins in datingNot all forgiveness is the same. Forgiveness from a position of obligation will be perceived as weakness (from a worldly perspective - which is relevant as worldly consequences derives from that) as well as being insincere. Forgiveness from a position of strength (i.e. when done without any social pressure) is usually seen as genuine and does not held against the one doing the forgiving. In other words forgiveness is not a free action for most people. Everything else [worldly] concerning the mat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/25 11:31 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t need menTechnically true in the sense that law & social norm abiding males are not worthy of the title of "man". The fun part happens when society runs out of those males or said males gets socially hijacked by the real men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/25 06:20 PM |
| 0 | What I think people get wrong about whether or not men care about your careerAnother variable (especially amongst the younger generations) is that for many of the socially middle class (especially those of the self proclaimed variety) a socially respected job is effectively out of reach and thus no longer factors in their assessments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/25 12:30 PM |
| 9 | If women were not into men, there wouldn't be so many women being side chicks and humiliating themselves for a manOnce again, an example of the majority of males only being considered as men when it's time to collectively on the hook for the sins of the minority of the relevant men. And there's no way [for the rest of the males] to atone for the sins of those relevant men either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/25 10:25 AM |
| 1 | Men have inexplicably rejoiced in their own subjugation - but only selectivelyThe sense of belonging in a society/community is of immense value to those who believe in it and worthless to those who don't. It's as simple as that. Both sides tend to find the other utterly alien in their mentality so that dialogue for the most part is futile. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/25 05:50 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Single mothers should not have to settle for lessLeveraging social legitimacy only works on the law & social abiding males. It'll never work on the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere. But surely that's not an issue since women despises those based & redpilled real men of the manosphere in the first place right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/25 04:32 PM |
| 2 | Women Argue Against What They Think You're Saying Instead of What You Actually SaidWhen enough people are playing word games (in order to generate gotcha moments and thus easy victories) it is expected that other will respond accordingly by reading between the lines. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/25 01:32 AM |
| – | Women don't need a social circle or amazing social skills to get a boyfriendA male SO that drains social legitimacy is worse than no boyfriend at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/25 04:00 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Systematic solutions to vibe based problems can work (though at high costs) if they're actually applied in a systematic manner. If there's vibe based exceptions to said application then nothing gets done except making the problem worse... or rather, the purpose of a system is what it does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/25 01:03 PM |
| 0 | I think women should refuse to pay for anything on a dateThe males who this will work on are passively extracting social legitimacy value out of [the woman they're attempting to court], which may or may not be a much worse thing [for said woman]. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/25 11:12 AM |
| 2 | The hate for single moms comes from jealousy.Social legitimacy only has value for those who buy into the underlying social construct, and most people generally only buy into social constructs in which they benefit from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/25 03:41 PM |
| 3 | The hate for single moms comes from jealousy.The purpose of a system is what it does, and the drop in fertility rate in developed economies is an indictment (doesn't matter the excuses for the numerous factors for once again: the purpose of a system is what it does). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/25 03:37 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Many people are willing to make great sacrifices for very little results, even something as abstract as the greater good of the in group (however that's defined by the individuals in question). What they're not willing to do is to make great sacrifices for less than nothing (i.e. the results being negative across the board), or for the outgroup (especially those that seek to overtake the in group). And the problem with the modern moral doctrine of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/25 12:11 PM |
| – | As men we have to face the reality that we are being hypocritical and delusional sometimes when calling out women's standards!Collective guilt only works if there's a solidarity between the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere and the rest of the law & social norm abiding males. There isn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/25 12:11 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Cuckoldry and Polygyny is the Future Which Redpillers Need to AcceptCivilization and its societal norms is a structure that requires maintenance by the inhabitants of, rather than a separate environment created by some higher being that can be taken for granted. Much of the "life hacks" that amounts to rent seeking behaviors the established norms will find that like the tragedy of the commons, a cumulation point will be reached by some point in which the previous structure collapse (or rather, fades away) and be replaced by the newer structure. When that happens… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 06:59 PM |
| 1 | Why do women advice men that if they want a great sex life, they should marry a promiscuous woman? Why does a man need to MARRY a promiscuous woman to benefit from her sexual experience and high libido?Past behavior does not predict future performance works both ways. This is already well known, hence the warnings against the ulterior motives of "nice guys". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 12:12 PM |
| 1 | Men are not more upfront than women be for realSo long as dishonesty yield more results than honesty, it will remain more prevalent. Not to mention that the fake often appears more real than the real due to the human need for comfort. There is also no moralistic solution that can solve this materialistic/worldly problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 09:32 PM |
| 0 | CMV: GFs should not cook for their BFsIn a way it makes sense in the context of decaying social institutions and decline of implicit assumption. However said decay & decline also erodes the social legitimacy value of women. Don't be surprised that the males who are still willing to grovel for the social legitimacy aspects of relationships end up harboring the most heinous of ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 07:07 PM |
| 1 | No one will force you to pay for dates if you don't want toSchrödinger’s society's implicit assumptions governing human behaviors. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 05:01 PM |
| 2 | Why are Red Pillers so obsessed with status?Because social status is important for those who partake in society. This should be self evident to all but those who don't interact with society on a regular basis. Fundamentally TRP is about the exploitation of existing societal norms, which social status plays a large part thereof. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 01:11 PM |
| 2 | Men misinterpreted “I choose the bear” because they’re media illiterate or so defensive they chose willful obtusenessThe issue is twofold: that law and social norms abiding males are lumped with the based and redpilled real men of the manosphere (when realistic it's easy to differentiate between the two like in most situations) and that they have no way of atoning for the sins of said real men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 06:17 PM |
| 2 | Slut Paradox: Men don’t wanna wife sluts, but are sluts the ladies who genuinely like men?So as it turns out moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results applies to both genders... Also, it is possible to get an on paper happy conclusion and still be deeply unhappy about it. For all anyone knows those women might be married to law & social norm abiding provider type males, which is a hellish situation as everyone here knows. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 02:41 PM |
| -1 | Felons and bullies getting alot of sex partners does not mean women in general like assholes.Scumbags kept on getting voted into office does not represent the moral character of the voters, corporate leadership repeatedly screwing over the consumers does not represent the moral character of the shareholders, religious leadership filled with depraved pedos does not represent the moral character of the flock, etc. It's all true (because of a host of factors slightly beyond the scope of the topic), but in all those cases there are at least some sort of institutional measures in place to de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 02:22 PM |
| 2 | Most Women Sell Themselves ShortTurns out that in a society that had dismantled all sorts of entitlements have also accidently dismantled all sorts of obligations, and now that since no one is entitled to anything not explicitly written in the law no one is also obligated to do anything not explicitly written in the law. In other words, social legitimacy no longer has much value because the social compact backing it is no longer around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 12:56 PM |
| – | Men, would you date a woman that’s expressed she’d never pay for anything?By her very existence she is already paying in terms of social legitimacy with her presence. The question is when will she realize that (and subsequently reframing that as being exploited)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 11:05 AM |
| 1 | Why do women say men are single because they are bad/misogynistic. But tons of bad and misogynistic men have tons of women?The fake is more real than the real. The same thing can be seen in all other aspects of life from horrid politicians being elected despite the voters obviously not wanting that to corporate making decisions to the detriment of the shareholders, consumers, and workers despite none of them wanting that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 11:03 AM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Remember, individual examples are not considered valid proof, celebrity/media examples even less so [in the context of this subreddit's norms]. So unless you're one of the two regulars who are exempt from the norm using individual examples will only hurt your argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 01:43 AM |
| 0 | "Nice Guys" are basically an urban legendDespite the ulterior motives of "nice guys" being known for decades, women are still fooled by the current iteration of "nice guys" (male feminist allies) on a regular basis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/25 10:20 PM |
| 1 | "Nice Guys" are basically an urban legendThe current (2020s) iteration of the term is that people supposedly despise those males with ulterior motives*, or that use indirect methods to achieve their goals. That those same people also find direct and honest intentions [from the same undesirables males who had the temerity of stepping outside of their bounds] disgusting is [technically] another matter entirely... *Which can include any motive of self interest at all, which in effect include all motives and thus absolve the accuser of any… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/25 08:47 PM |
| 2 | Guys overestimate the percentage of men who can get away with being assholes.Again, this "good people shouldn't expect rewards" nonsense. I don't think I need to explain how disgusting and parasitic this approach is. It's a core doctrinal point of their ideology though (for it justifies the hatred of "nice guys" and supports their just world worldview), so that's not negotiable. (don't ask whether they apply that to themselves on a constant basis, for it is impolite to do so) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/25 08:42 PM |
| 7 | Guys overestimate the percentage of men who can get away with being assholes.People straight up don't like the morally virtuous at their face value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/25 03:44 PM |
| 1 | are men being mentally abused by redpill influencers....?In a world where every faction demands the utmost sacrifice for nothing (or less than nothing), the faction that at least throws in a crumb of sacrifice for a purpose has an advantage in acquiring adherents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/25 12:50 PM |
| 2 | Men, could you go without love if all other traditional desires were met?Most males would be fine with a situation where they sacrifice everything for nothing but a contribution for the greater good, on the condition that said greater good is clearly defined for an in group along with reasonable chances of their contributions having any meaningful impact. But even that, is a bridge too far for the morally virtuous, not to mention those males aren't relevant unless it's to collectively atone for the sins of real men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/25 11:55 AM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Look on the bright side, by the time that discussion rolls around in full force there won't be enough of a social consensus left to cash in on that social labor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/25 12:52 AM |
| 1 | People who claim “That word’s been so misused that it lost meaning” just dont like being criticized.Living languages tend to change based on the population that uses them, and even languages that have official governing bodies (like French) still have language shifts over time. It is the nature of humans to adapt language to suit their social environmental conditions. If anything, top down type regulations concerning usage of terminology (whether it be from governmental or corporate bodies) tends to accelerate the evolution of definitions, often to circumnavigate said regulations. Also of note… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/25 12:18 AM |
| 1 | People who claim “That word’s been so misused that it lost meaning” just dont like being criticized.Words/terms evolve all the time, just like how the term imbecile, retard, mentally challenged, special, unique, autistic, on the spectrum, and neurodivergent (and terms that aren't even invented yet in 2026) were all once upon a time denoting specific medical conditions and evolved into generic insults. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/25 12:10 AM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵The hurtful words of a hater is more powerful than the reassurance of a thousand fans (which are most likely to be not noticed at all). This also explains how the manosphere is simultaneously a small irrelevant group but also an existential threat to all women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/25 08:38 PM |
| 1 | Access to sex is a terrible reason to form any serious kind of relationshipBeing seen as not dangerous by society (i.e. being vetted) as he is being allowed to be within the presence of a woman at her vulnerable moment. Being seen as a contributing member of society (and not being selfish), as mainstream society still assumes that most males in relationships are taking on the role of a provider. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/25 08:35 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Once the consensus is agreed upon that emotional labor is just as legitimate as physical labor the next frontier of debate will be that of social labor: Of which women will rightfully point out that they are paying massive social costs and takes upon significant risks when they enter into any sort of relationships with a male, and that in a truly equitable relationship they should be compensated for that. And just like with the debate on emotional labor, the relevant men will never agree and the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/25 06:05 PM |
| 3 | Access to sex is a terrible reason to form any serious kind of relationshipAll males are motivated by something, and there's no free lunch. Thus any male that doesn't appear to be getting any of the usual benefits in a relationship is probably pursuing it for other, more hidden, benefits. Benefits which will come out of women somehow (whether it be in social legitimacy or other less tangible variables). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/25 04:02 PM |
| 2 | Access to sex is a terrible reason to form any serious kind of relationshipOnce those males who are motivated by access to sex are weeded out, the males who remain are likely to be harboring even more heinous ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/25 01:27 PM |
| 5 | Why don’t women like passport bros?The same reasons why most people hate offshoring of industries to developing economies (even as they benefit from it): It is fundamentally the arbitrage of capital to exploit cheap (and less regulated) labor for ever greater profits. It just rubs people off the wrong way on an instinctive level even though technically both sides benefits from the exchange. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/25 06:10 PM |
| 3 | Women consider it a "betrayal" when an ostensibly platonic male friend expresses romantic interest in them ONLY IF they're not interested in him, as wellVibes cannot be logically negotiated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/25 03:04 PM |
| 2 | Bioessentialism and evolutionary history is at least partially responsible for the culture and gender war happening today.With sufficient amount of nature or nurture it's possible to override the other, that's how change occurs in the first place. But for the factions with insufficient amount of either, then it gets a lot more difficult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/25 01:22 AM |
| 11 | The manosphere doesn’t believe men should be putting effort into relationships.And why would they, when society has made it clear that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results and expecting outputs for inputs is entitlement? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/25 03:26 PM |
| 1 | The patriarchal agenda: setting up men and women up to fail and be unhappy.The morally virtuous does not care for worldly results/consequence, but unfortunately worldly results/consequences also does not care for moral virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/25 11:21 AM |
| 3 | Did getting into a relationship change your views/approach?The only reason I continue to reject the redpill (and the rest of the manosphere) is by rejecting the reality that I observe in favor of ideological doctrine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/25 09:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men are not insecure they are just jealous of experienced womenJust because she's experienced doesn't mean he gets to enjoy any of the benefits of said experience (and if he doesn't like that then he's accused of being entitled (which he is of course)), but he is still obligated to pay the continuing costs of her experiences (or trauma, or whatever). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/25 08:50 PM |
| 1 | What's the Blue Pill? And what's give you the feeling you are right?Genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, and any expectations to the contrary is entitlement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/25 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Men who don't approach women, why?Because I respect women's boundaries and their right to not be harassed in public. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/25 12:53 AM |
| 1 | Men will only be happy the day that rape becomes legal, and women will only be happy when medicine will be at its peakGuess the males who don't harbor those thoughts/mentality aren't real men then, but that's par the course. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/25 09:45 PM |
| 0 | Even if a large group of men didn't truly had sex it wouldn't lead to a revolution or an apocalypseRemember, the Nazis never actually won an election outright (what they did was being part of the winning coalition and having Hitler appointed chancellor by president Hindenburg, who was advised by various senior politicians that they can control Hitler), but they got in power anywhere because the bulk of the population was too order minded to go against those who have technically not violated the system even as they dismantled said system. What this has to do with the topic at hand is that if t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/25 07:35 PM |
| 4 | Q4M: Why do you ignore obvious social cues inviting you to approach?Modern mainstream cultures have dismantled too much of the implicit social norms as well as the general transition from high trust to low trust societies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/25 11:10 AM |
| 1 | The red pill is driving women away from men and is central to why modern dating sucksThe manosphere is one of two groups that's simultaneously irrelevantly small and a major danger to the social fabric itself (the other group is the modern neo nazi movement). The problem with this outlook is that it allows the moral majority to ignore any actual issue, which in practical effect cede the initiative to the enemy, allowing them to gather support until they are large enough to force their issue through force. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/25 09:49 PM |
| 2 | Are there viral Blue Pill dating experiments?Also, what's IT? Probably inceltears or something of that narture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/25 06:35 PM |
| 5 | Are there viral Blue Pill dating experiments?Since genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, said worldly results does not matter to the morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/25 03:52 PM |
| 3 | Dating for months does not automatically mean a relationship.A sign of a low trust society is the lack of implicit societal norms (or rather, a lack of adherence to the implicit social norms- a former high trust society devolving into a low trust society would still technically have a lot of those social norms, just no one except suckers pay attention to them any longer) along with an inadequacy of the enforcement of explicit stated rules. This inadequacy is [in effect] tolerated even by the victims because everyone [within said community] believes that t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/25 01:15 PM |
| 9 | Women clown on lonely men for turning to porn, but are also hostile to the idea of men going out and approaching themThe peasantry (and the lepers, and the other riffraff) need to know their place and stay in their lane. This is a social norm that neurotypical folks understand implicitly but appears to be completely foreign to the neurodivergent folks, who actually believe in the explicitly stated (not never truly put into effect) doctrines of the enlightenment. The have nots are meant to suffer so that their social betters can feel morally righteous about the nature of the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/25 12:00 PM |
| – | There is very little reason to believe unattractive guys will be good partnersWith other variables adjusted... but no one cares so throwing in other variables adjusted in a quick and easy way to score a victory. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/25 01:06 PM |
| 7 | Avoidant men will claim they were cheated on when they didn’t even define the relationship.The replacement of implicit social norms with explicit contracts is a symptom of the breakdown of society. Then ancients talked extensively about this, across many cultures the establishment of the first laws was seen as a fall from the idealized/mythical state in which implicit social norms were enough to keep the population in line. And surely it should be obvious that the erosion of social norms is a bad thing for the morally virtuous, and thus should hardily be a thing that said morally virt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/25 01:05 PM |
| 2 | The reason online dating sucks is because men like every women profileGiven the rampant bots on everything online related any assumption of human influence is likely suspect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/25 01:22 AM |
| 1 | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Since by doctrine genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, and that complaining about the immoral doing better are just envy & entitlement, it means that the morally virtuous cannot complain about the wicked and their wickedness. For those who have rejected said moral compact, you know what to do with this knowledge. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/25 11:31 PM |
| – | At Average, a Man that is a degenerate will get more Passion and Love from his Girl/Wife then the normal Guy, i can confirm this.Genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results. Therefor it is irrelevant that the immoral are doing better across the board. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/25 11:29 PM |
| 6 | Alot of people arent attractive nor rich enough for the attitude they have.Much of the manosphere (whether they be the redpill, incels, etc.) tend to reject the existing moral framework of mainstream societies, often formulating their own alternative moral framework that fits more into their goals. The current mainstream society doesn't have a ready counter to this alternative framework besides shaming, which is what have already been doing before anyways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 08:42 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Are you doubting the wisdom of the learned anons of 4chan? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 07:59 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵What's next, you're going to tell me that the Ridley Scott movie about Napoleon isn't historically accurate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 04:17 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Remember, claiming the deeds [of provision and protection] of the entire male gender is alpha behavior, actually doing any of those deeds is beta behavior. True alphas lord over the masses of betas, not toil alongside of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: What things do you do for your female friends that you don't do for your guy friends?She may or may not realize it, but she's selling social legitimacy on her part of the transaction, and there's a possibility that she will regret her actions later on in life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 01:37 PM |
| 8 | Alot of people arent attractive nor rich enough for the attitude they have.the just world fallacy Although they do keep doctrinal consistency by simply decoupling results from actions in the first place. After all, since genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, anything that happens to someone is totally just (or irrelevant to the doctrine). It's not appealing to those who don't subscribe to their moral principles though, but that's also irrelevant to the morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 11:51 AM |
| 6 | Alot of people arent attractive nor rich enough for the attitude they have.Genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results and expecting any reciprocity is entitlement. That's usually the go to argument of the moral majority of the liberal progressive cultures in Euro-Atlantic democracies. And of course they don't have a real answer to the follow up question: what about those who fundamentally reject their moral framework? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 11:38 AM |
| 1 | Is this a relationship ? (hypothetical)Technically yes, even from the view of a 3rd party. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 11:27 AM |
| 2 | Alot of people arent attractive nor rich enough for the attitude they have.Guess the ancient societies knew what they were doing when they introduced sumptuary laws. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 03:03 AM |
| – | The societal expectation for men to be the protectors should be removedRemember, claiming the deeds of all males collectively is alpha behavior, actually doing any of those deeds is beta behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/25 12:29 AM |
| 5 | Previous Archived Post: Women in third world countries would behave the same as western women if they had the opportunity to.People from societies/countries lacking in government based social safety nets tend to be more cautious even when transplanted to societies/countries with governmental social safety nets, the exceptions to that being those who are [generally] already [socially] expelled from their societies in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/25 07:44 PM |
| 1 | Claiming "Sex isn't the only thing men care about" only works when men show they have other priorities.Any attempts at proving otherwise can be dismissed as performative and of ulterior motives. Even proving a lack of ulterior motive is an ulterior motive in and of itself. Therefor it is impossible to exonerate the baser motives of males because the attempt itself is tainted by default. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/25 04:26 PM |
| 1 | CMV:Men who don’t align with feminist values shouldn’t fear the rise of feminism.Doesn't matter which faction fights for what cause, the patriarchy (gender wars definition) wins in the end regardless. This is due to all these factions trying to apply systematic solutions to a vibe based problem, but their application of said solutions will end up being vibe based, thus leaving the problem unresolved. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/25 01:34 PM |
| 1 | Pick Me Girls are not respected by men. Women are not jealous of them.By the ancient rites of human nature any proclamation of a lack of envy is an tact admission of envy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/25 11:08 AM |
| 2 | Pick Me Girls are not respected by men. Women are not jealous of them.No woman will ever be respected by the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere. The question then is why are women craving respect & validation from them so much? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/25 11:07 AM |
| 3 | Apparently women turn “demisexual” around average menPhysical appearance is part of personality, both directly and indirectly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/25 01:11 PM |
| 4 | "They SAY they want XYZ, but are inevitably repulsed when they get it". What is XYZ when it comes to men?Anything and everything. That's what "may you get exactly what you wished for" is an insult & curse hurled at an opponent in anger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/25 12:39 AM |
| 1 | “Nice Guys Finish Last” comes from not evolving one’s understanding of people and morals from childhood.Genuine moral virtues wholly independent of worldly results requires a strong in group homogeneity & shared moral system (i.e. shared culture), otherwise it cannot be competitive against more materialistic & worldly systems (supposedly morality based or purely hedonistic materialism). And the modern cultures of the Euro-Atlantic democracies are increasingly cosmopolitan and less cohesive, with all the implications of that. Not to mention on the flip side, that there isn't much in the way of stro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/25 03:22 PM |
| 7 | Males strange obsession with losing their V cardsHere's one woman explicitly stating to use male virginity as an insult. Here's a highly respected woman of this subreddit making a direct correlation between male virginity and lack of moral virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/25 10:45 AM |
| 1 | Being a stepdad is legit good strategy for some guysSocial legitimacy values is only relevant in societies with a strong social compact and in group cohesion, which is increasingly not the case with the modern societies of the euro Atlantic democracies. This is why you see those many historical examples of males in powerful positions raising children who are not biologically related to them: In those cases there is still a strong sense of continuity and sense of the tribe. Obviously women don't want to go back to the mentality of the bad old days… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/25 10:35 AM |
| – | We shouldnt give grace to older people making younger people mistakes."Shut up and bear it" being passed off as maturity is widely seen as a tool of oppression by the patriarchy when it comes to the struggles of women, and now that said precedence has been set for the better part of half a century we are seeing the consequences of low value males having the temerity of applying the same logic to their struggles... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/25 01:23 AM |
| 2 | Men would you use a long term birth control if it was available?The males who will get that aren't the ones causing unplanned pregnancies in women and the men who are are causing the unwanted pregnancies are the ones likely to refuse. This problem also isn't one where governmental force can fix as implementation of such systematic policies would most likely end up as being vibe based and thus leading to the same issues as before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/25 04:21 PM |
| 3 | Why do men need women?Social legitimacy, because humans (even the males) are social creatures at the end of the day. However the males that explicitly state their compliance to the existing social constructs paradoxically marks them as unworthy of the affections of women. Thus the struggles of women & [real] men continues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/25 12:14 AM |
| 1 | MAGA is proof that men will stand up to feminists when they actually give a damn about issues, which clearly isnt men’s issues.Political/ideological cohesion works [in terms of worldly results], and since you [the OP, implicitly] believes in that genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results, your moral judgement is irrelevant to those [relevant] men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/25 07:01 PM |
| 3 | The mesosphere not blaming men for creating fatherless kids is the biggest proof they don’t believe in male accountability.And the males who called out deadbeats* aren't relevant, and moreover are usually accused of being motivated by jealousy, thus furthering eroding any effect they might have. *heck, the term itself is hardly endearing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/25 08:49 PM |
| 2 | The reaction to the Danish Deception shows women do hold other women accountable.Given the two implicit notions that are reoccurring in these particular threads, namely that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results (and anything to the contrary is the height of entitlement) and that women are naturally more morally virtuous than males, when combined together it would imply that women's suffering are a result of their moral virtues. I don't think that's a desirable conclusion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/25 11:02 AM |
| 2 | Straight men are better off allowing 4B and political lesbianism to take over the feminist movementFor provider type males, it makes little difference in what particular group they support, as regardless of whatever their official stances are, every group of note will want to keep the peasantry in line, differing only on the details. The fundamental issue at hand is that groups try to utilize systematic solutions for vibe based problems, while applying said solutions in a vibe based fashion, thus not doing much to deal with the problems in the end regardless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/25 08:05 PM |
| 0 | Women complain in hopes that men will take the baitAnd once they learned TRP, they become desirable and learned, and then out of reach of women. Thus the women's struggles continues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/25 07:49 PM |
| 3 | Women use ‘nice guys’ as a dumping ground for their projectionsSince by doctrine genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, it does not matter that the genuine morally virtuous are held in the same suspect as those with ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/25 04:35 PM |
| 1 | Way too many people want hook ups and won’t admit it. I think it’s because they want to lie to others and themselves.So the morally virtuous are aware of depravity of human nature and then still decided that dismantling the incentive/disincentive structure that curb the worst excesses of human nature is a good idea? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 08:39 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: When dating, do you only spend money if there's something in it for you?There's social legitimacy in the absence of everything else, and more and more women are beginning to realize that, that they are selling social legitimacy to undesirable males even when no physical intimacy is involved. And that hurts a lot, if in a different way than the usual. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 07:03 PM |
| 0 | Women complain in hopes that men will take the baitThe males who cave to societal norms tend to not be the ones that women wants (and thus their submission is effectively invisible, as can be seen on this subreddit every day), so women are still losing so long as the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere refuse to submit [to societal norms]. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/25 07:40 PM |
| 1 | Its not “Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks” for women to change their priorities over time.Just because someone stumbles into a situation doesn't mean they're absolved of their sequence of decisions that led to said situation. Otherwise most politicians would be innocent of their legacies. For the other half of the topic nobody in any societies respect the workers/providers, even if they officially proclaim they do. Women saw through that web of life since forever so it shouldn't be shocking that some males would also see through that lie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/25 05:01 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: why do you no longer court women properly?Social legitimacy only matters when the social constructs behind it hasn't been dismantled already. But it has been, so here we are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/25 10:44 AM |
| 1 | The more we push the me too movement, the more men’s fears are substantiated of false reports for personal gain as the reward to do so is larger. As such you can never “believe all women”.The only males that should fear of being falsely/wrongly accused are those who are low on the social totem, and in reality they are being punished for the sin of being unpopular. [actual guilty] Men of higher social standing (outside of celebrity examples as those are dismissed on this subreddit by doctrine) generally have enough social credit to override their victims. The system is working as intended. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/25 08:25 PM |
| 1 | What is your goal in dating?At this point hoping for just for the privilege of providing for someone else in return for nothing (because everything beyond that is entitlement). But of course that itself is also entitlement and ulterior motives so... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/25 11:16 AM |
| 2 | Is it true that men want monogamy and family more than women, or is that a false narrative here?Because when a male does the socially expected thing, it is seen as part of the mass of society instead of some individualistic thing, but on the other hand the negative things that men does are considered to be representative of the characteristics of masculinity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/25 06:03 PM |
| 1 | Is it true that men want monogamy and family more than women, or is that a false narrative here?The majority of males want monogamy & family, but the majority of [realTM] men doesn't. Thus the seeming disconnect between perception & reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/25 03:55 PM |
| – | Help me understand the "not girlfriend material" phenomenonSame reasons that [many, possibly even a plurality of] military veterans have difficult time reintegrating back into civilian life: Because certain lifestyles requires certain mentalities (or cope as some would call it) and those same mentalities are poorly equipped for other lifestyles. Fundamentally LTRs require duty, sacrifice, commitment, and discipline, which bonds poorly with those who are more used to more carefree and non-committed lifestyles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/25 05:38 PM |
| 3 | What (I think) Every Nice Guy Needs to HearNiceness (or even moral virtues for that matter) are just disliked for what they are, and that's without going deeper. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/25 12:32 AM |
| 6 | Women should compete for the Provider Position If they feel Men Have It Easier.Plenty of women provide for their NEET/lazy/useless boyfriends/husbands/spouses, which really just proves being a provider in the context of the modern society (where the implicit agreements of the social contract has been systemically dismantled) is counterintuitive and is feeding into the degradation of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/25 07:51 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵What you're describing isn't an innate value, but rather the social legitimacy value, and those want someone for their social legitimacy value are also in it to exploit said value in some form or fashion. Not to mention social legitimacy is increasingly losing its value as there's an increasing number of men/males who are rejecting the status quo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 06:50 PM |
| 1 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.The social norms are catered to the sexuality of all relevant men. The problem is when the rest of the males had the audacity to believe that they are part of that exclusive group when they should be asexual pack mule providers as god & nature had ordained. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 12:47 PM |
| 1 | Sexuality vs legitimate heirs from the man's standpointmakes one wonder , where does that start ? at 6 or 7 figure networth? The will of the self to persevere and perpetuate. Not all wealth is measured in material metrics. Sure you can call it cope all you want, but their descendants will be around [in comparison to those who don't have that drive/mentality]. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/25 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Sexuality vs legitimate heirs from the man's standpointThose who don't care about their blood/genetic lineage also tend to not care too much about the continuation of their ideological beliefs (or operating under the delusions that their particular ideological beliefs are self evident enough to override both nature & nurture). In other words those who have neither nature or nurture tend to be a minority in the grand scheme of things. Thus most of the remainder do in fact care about their blood/genetic lineage. Might not be in a conscious/overt/expli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/25 06:42 PM |
| – | How is sex with an ugly male provider?Sex doesn't even have to occur in such a relationship, but the woman in that case is selling social legitimacy (by the act of merely being in such a relationship), which in its own way is just as degrading. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/25 03:36 PM |
| 1 | Men make no sense in any regard.The only times that most males are considered men are when blamed as a collective for the sins of real men, and the only socially acceptable thing they can do in response is to accept the blame and atone for the [collectively blamed] sins. There's also no solidarity between those males and the real men, and if anything the current social/cultural structure incentivize the latter to behave more badly, knowing that the guilt will be spread amongst the former. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/25 11:00 AM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Attempting at avoiding ulterior motives is also an ulterior motive. Thus there is no coming back once being accused of harboring ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/25 12:11 AM |
| 1 | The percentage of genuinely loving marriages is astonishingly lowLife itself is one of continuous never-ending struggle with occasional moments of happiness & contentment. The obsession of the modern secular liberal with constant uninterrupting happiness is unrealistic, and the reality bores out (as all those who are stunning & brave being single aren't all that happier). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/25 01:38 PM |
| 1 | Don’t be upset you didn’t get a hook up when you pretended you wanted a relationship.The average male [in the modern secular liberal cultures of the Euro-Atlantic democracies] would be fine with being in an asexual aromantic coparent relationship with a single mother provided that they can even get there and there's even a crumb of social legitimacy to be had. But even facilitating the conditions for that to occur, is a bridge too far for the morally virtuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/25 01:35 PM |
| – | Empathy and coddling are not the same thing.Well clearly that's because she's just too morally virtuous, and as the saying goes no prophet is accepted in their hometown. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/25 12:52 PM |
| 0 | If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all.Like the fable of the Russian farmer who wished to be blinded in one eye, many males [on the lower end of the social totem pole] would be fine with that state of affairs, as they would theoretically lose nothing (they're not getting sex then and they're not getting it going forward) but the men they're envious of will be suffering going forward. As for the gotcha you're trying to make, it doesn't work because they're built different, for it is the fundamentals of human nature of believe in one's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/25 11:58 AM |
| – | Women do care about men’s issues….. when it’s not sex related.Everything can be framed as being about sex with the correct sequence of words, thus absolving the morally virtuous from actually doing anything. Heck, even if males are just pleading for a bare minimum of social legitimacy can be framed as being about wanting sex for no effort, somehow. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 04:07 PM |
| 1 | The manosphere will gloat about men having traits that they themselves don’t even possess.Taking credit of the virtues of the collective is alpha behavior, actually doing any of that virtues is beta behavior. Railing against such mentalities for the immorality of it is futile when the worldly mechanisms still encourages it. This is self evident: for what else is history (and current events, and the future too for that matter) but lionizing the deeds of great men (i.e. the ruling class) and mockery of the masses for being suckers for listening to those ruling class? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 11:43 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe your life holds value simply because you exist?Pragmatically, no. Intrinsic values don't exist in any meaningful capacity. Most talk of intrinsic values come from a standpoint of materialistic abundance, which would disappear as soon as said materialistic abundance disappears. And there's always a transaction. The NEETs getting their NEETbucks (or all the similar transactions of various welfare systems) is just society paying for performative virtues, and thus by that token the recipients of said welfare are paying in terms of social legitim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 11:36 AM |
| 1 | A lot of "dating problems" seem like "middle class" problems to me.While it is very much nothing in reality the perception of (and the social expectations) still very much drives the behaviors of many people, which in turn as physical/economic consequences. It is precisely the death of the economic middle class that makes so many clung to the social expectations of the social middle class, so that they can have something to flex about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/25 06:51 PM |
| 7 | A lot of "dating problems" seem like "middle class" problems to me.You might want to clarify which definition of the middle class you're talking about: the economic one (which is all but extinct) or the social (or rather, self identified) one (which is bigger than ever). A person with a useless degree with ~$40k debt working in a dead end job (unrelated to their degree) would be economically lower class (as in below the blue collar working class) but for the most part style themselves as the middle class socially (and all the expectation there of). That, is pro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/25 06:42 PM |
| 5 | A lot of "dating problems" seem like "middle class" problems to me.The issue that he's pointing out is that citing exceptional examples (and the Nazis do count, especially if going by the cold war narratives*) is generally a very weak form of argument, usually more used to shut down discussion through shock factor rather than using it as actual arguments. *The framing of the rise of Nazism and how that's perceived throughout the decades post WWII is a fascinating topic but that's really off topic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/25 06:38 PM |
| 0 | Men will absolutely do things that do not benefit them.Well then, the same line of logic would also mean that it is in the males/men's interest to reject the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results", but I don't think the morally virtuous are ready for that train of thought yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/25 12:15 PM |
| 2 | Emotionally immature men typically join the Manosphere.What unfairness? A lot of the stuff they whine about is the consequences of their own actions. When this is the default assumption then any complaints can be summarily rejected without compromising moral virtues, thus the system is working as intended. More relevantly with that assumption on your part there's a fundamental difference in world view that cannot be reconciled. Elaborate. Exactly that. Since your default assumption is of a just world, any complaints about it is automatically immoral… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/25 09:03 PM |
| 3 | Emotionally immature men typically join the Manosphere.And maturity for the peasantry (i.e. the majority of the males) means to accept the unfairness of life and keep on taking it. After all, any complaints is just entitlement and revealing of ulterior motives. Thus any man who still retains his self respect would naturally be lumped into the manosphere after a while. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/25 08:35 PM |
| 3 | Okay so since men only care about hotness, history, loyalty, horniness, willingness to obey and reliability at home, does that mean I can stop pretending to be a "woman" in the social sense since it's not important ?Yes logically you should not give a damn about what the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere desires, but the thing about the redpill is that it taps into the primal/instinctive nature of human interaction & motivation. In fact you creating this thread is proof of that: you want validation from them, validation that logically you know you'll never get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/25 04:29 PM |
| 2 | What's even the point for average woman to be in a relationship with average men?Social legitimacy, which is why you see even women with objectively terrible spouses still flexing their relationship status over the have nots. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/25 03:21 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Dating is not "easier" for women (see video)I already said my opinion: fundamentally she [the woman in question] is trying to leverage her social legitimacy value (implicitly, as it is crass to do so explicitly) but unfortunately for her increasing numbers of men/males so longer subscribe to the social compact that imbued such social legitimacy value to women like her, hence the disconnect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 04:12 PM |
| 3 | Men hate women who like bad men but don't care about those bad men. And that means they hate women not for "bad choices" but for not choosing them.I'm not blaming women for being abused by men, unless the implication is that social norms is run by women (which I have not made the association or argument thereof). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 02:24 PM |
| 5 | Men hate women who like bad men but don't care about those bad men. And that means they hate women not for "bad choices" but for not choosing them.I'm not backing down. I'm just saying that what I'm doing is worthless even as I continue to do it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 02:19 PM |
| 2 | Men hate women who like bad men but don't care about those bad men. And that means they hate women not for "bad choices" but for not choosing them.And the alternative is? Ignore reality by pretend that they are not higher up on the social totem pole? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 02:03 PM |
| 1 | Men hate women who like bad men but don't care about those bad men. And that means they hate women not for "bad choices" but for not choosing them.Because we fellow loser males should have a voice too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 01:47 PM |
| 1 | Men hate women who like bad men but don't care about those bad men. And that means they hate women not for "bad choices" but for not choosing them.I am doing all I can to call out the bad behavior of those real men. It is futile but I do what morality dictate I must, but it does not change the futility of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 01:46 PM |
| 15 | Men hate women who like bad men but don't care about those bad men. And that means they hate women not for "bad choices" but for not choosing them.Wolves do not care for the bleating of sheep. Those bad men in the same vein don't care for the shaming of the law & social norm abiding males. Short of mob violence and systematic discrimination (which modern society has ordained to be unacceptable) there's nothing those males can do to those real men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 11:43 AM |
| 1 | Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriendThe wicked winning across the board is consistent under the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results", thus pointing it out isn't a gotcha under the circumstances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 11:07 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Dating is not "easier" for women (see video)Social legitimacy only has value when there's a society that values it, and the current societies in the modern Euro-Atlantic democracies for the most part doesn't, at least among the younger generations across most of the lower social classes. As for the actual upper classes who would appreciate such social legitimacy values, they also for the most part have much more choices to begin with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 11:02 AM |
| -1 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativeMoral virtues are non-negotiable, and anyone whose motivations are based on worldly/material incentives isn't worth having. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 11:06 AM |
| 17 | What women don’t understand about male nature: you likely AREN’T your boyfriend’s typeThis would be just more evidence for women to stay single rather than dignifying undesirable males that don't truly value them for who they are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/25 09:05 PM |
| 2 | Men would rather roleplay as sigmas than bother cultivating social bonds.Those men/males in question are well aware that they're not going to be respected if they adhere to social norms, which really is the one major thing that [mainstream] society has left to leverage* with. Thus, by rejecting the social compact, they retained their self respect (in comparison to the social norm abiding males that still are on the bottom of the societal totem pole like wagies and whatnot). *And even that's debatable under the modern moral doctrine of genuine moral virtues being whol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/25 06:13 PM |
| 3 | Beware of people who give you sob stories that explain that everyone else is the problem.The ideological foundation of modern government programs that provide assistance to the population is the assumption that a lot of people are just unlucky in life. Chipping away at that (it might be on the microeconomic level today, but it'll always end up becoming the macroeconomic level tomorrow) carries some rather disturbing implications... Yes this is a veiled threat of consequences. No, decrying it as a threat isn't going to make it go away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/25 07:43 PM |
| 10 | What's the reason behind this wave of extreme hatred against men on social media by feminists and women in general?Law and social norms abiding males once again have failed to atone for the sins of the based and redpilled real men of the manosphere, thus incurring the wrath of women who have been wronged by said real men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/25 01:29 PM |
| 2 | It is not a parent’s job to teach their kids how to get laid.It's a parent's own interests to prepare their offspring for life by developing various skills, which should include how to secure relationships and integrate themselves into society (which in a way is a major prerequisite for relationships). Otherwise children are basically just a luxury indulgence (akin to pets & hobbies) on the part of the parents, which is a rather modern socially middle class view of parenting, though still a rather dismal view. On a different point if not parents then what… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/25 09:33 PM |
| -11 | The real world treats men in their 20's - 30's onwards who are virgins as failures.I don't agree with her on most things, but unfortunately her moral virtues are self evident. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/25 07:46 PM |
| -15 | The real world treats men in their 20's - 30's onwards who are virgins as failures.Because she's correct. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/25 07:38 PM |
| -20 | The real world treats men in their 20's - 30's onwards who are virgins as failures.Given that virginity among adult males is directly correlated with lack of moral virtues society's prejudices against male virgins is fully justified. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/25 07:29 PM |
| 0 | Any violant agenda or idealogy men subscribe to is entirely their faults and therefore responsibilityMorally you are correct but that is relevant only to those of the in group who subscribe to the same moral foundations, and unfortunately the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere has rejected that moral foundation as part of their core doctrine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/25 03:16 PM |
| 0 | “Women dont care about a man’s personality” is said by superficial men and they gravitate towards superficial women.I think that the root of the issue (which modern tech like the internet have exacerbated, but not necessarily caused it) is the large size of human habitation groups. If we assume that Dunbar's number is reasonably accurate then the vast majority of humans today live in (or at least partake in) "communities" that are orders of magnitude larger. This has a lot to do with personality as it gives the perception that any relevant personality traits are possessed by [insert large number here] of peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/25 03:15 PM |
| 1 | Why do men want to go to places with hot women if these hot women will reject them?The chance of winning the big jackpot in lottery is 1 in millions (or smaller, point still stands), but it is still higher than zero, which is the guaranteed result of staying out of sight & out of mind. Given the erosion of implicit social norms the only way to keep undesirable males out of sight would be to institute laws/rule/ordinances (i.e. explicitly stating the issue) to keep them out of sight & out of mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/25 11:32 PM |
| 4 | People dont like men with victim complexes and men should stop wanting society to coddle them.If we keep on beating up the irrelevant males, then surely at some point it'll hurt the relevant men! Practically this is how this all will go down, because it's impossible to use systematic solutions to deal with vibe based problems when the enforcement of said solutions will end up being vibes based as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/25 08:14 PM |
| 10 | A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals.The premise rests upon the presumption that moral virtues are interlinked with worldly/material results, but if that happens that would invite the "nice guys" and their ulterior motives that modern society has been fighting against for the better part of 2 decades... Doctrinally much of the manosphere arose from a rejection of the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" (otherwise known as "being nice doesn't entitle you to anything") thus calling them out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/25 02:47 PM |
| 1 | Do you genuinely believe that a "traditional" female role is important and honorable?Social legitimacy is the baseline (i.e. the lowest tier) of being accepted by [mainstream]* society. To merit respect/honor one must do something that goes far above & beyond. This also applies to things like provider type males, blue collar workers, etc. *which does not necessarily apply to alternate social hierarchies, which is why one sees NEETs styling themselves above the wagies, or manosphere men styling themselves above the pack mule provider type males, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/25 10:00 AM |
| 3 | For too many men here, sex is the only priority to be fulfilled with hasteWhen the majority of sources of motivations are repressed in the name of rooting out ulterior motives and the horrors of being manipulated, it did not end up with an upswell of genuine moral virtues wholly independent of worldly results, but rather a return to baser nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/25 01:37 AM |
| 0 | Q4M: Thoughts on this advice for young women?Fuck around young while putting provider types on the back burner works best when there's an underlying social construct that facilities the concept of the redemption arc (like in many traditional and even nominal Christian societies)*. the catch is that it would require said person to actually change their behaviors (either genuinely or for the long haul, same difference from an outside perspective) and that is far more difficult said than done. Redemption arc can only occur for those who did s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/25 10:08 AM |
| 0 | Is it a red flag if a man doesn't own a home?Massive red flag if he's the potential provider type. Irrelevant if he's only good for a fling and/or situationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 11:53 PM |
| 2 | The only criteria to loving a man.That's the thing though, the only males who the declaration will affect will be the inoffensive low value ones, while the actual men who are guilty of it aren't gonna care much about it, as the blame has been spread across the entire gender and they can just melt back into the collective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 10:29 AM |
| 2 | The only criteria to loving a man.If we keep on shitting on the low value males then surely this will hit the real men where it hurts... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/25 11:07 AM |
| 2 | Why does it seem like men prioritize their female friends over girlfriends?When relationships have become reduced* to a transactional mechanic** emotional investments would naturally fall off as well. *due to fears of "muh ulterior motives!" and "catching feelings". **to acquire social legitimacy and (occasionally/potentially) sexual activities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/25 11:24 AM |
| 1 | When exactly is a woman deserving?Fundamentally it's about the rejection of the existing social compact and the values derived from it, from those who currently have no social legitimacy value (and thus doing it to them in return is meaningless because it's already happening to them in the first place). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 08:27 PM |
| 1 | Why are men blamed for supporting for conservative values when almost half the women do the same?Because conservative women are victims of internalized misogyny while liberal males are guilty of not doing enough against real men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 02:44 PM |
| 1 | Low status men like high status men are their allies but but they are not"If all choices are fucked then why shouldn't I chose based on vibes?" Men can't adequately answer that when women ask about all the horrors in the dating pool, and I doubt women can answer that when males ask about the horrors of political choices. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 10:33 AM |
| 2 | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Many of those who argued that nature isn't everything aren't doing that great a job on the nurturing front either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 10:42 PM |
| 1 | "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore." Is it for women?The socially middle class and their moral virtues is an anomaly in human history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 12:24 PM |
| 0 | Men are cooked, new study shows men are the ones with the biological clock, not women.So what? It makes no meaningful difference as the successful men will always get the opportunity before their time's up and the rest of the males will never have the opportunity in the first place. Thus shitting on the irrelevant males isn't the flex you think it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/25 10:46 PM |
| 0 | Men are no longer the center of universe and some men can't adaptBut before the enlightenment the rest of the males knew their place, but with the enlightenment they started having the temerity to demand the same rights and privileges as those elite men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 11:50 PM |
| 2 | What’s up with some of the men on this sub conflating attractiveness with being a shitty person?It's a subcategory of assuming there's correlation between privilege groups and bad behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 10:13 PM |
| 8 | Men are no longer the center of universe and some men can't adaptBut if both the nature and nurture aspects are selective against the educated & intelligent then it's a much rougher struggle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 02:07 PM |
| 1 | Dating hasn't become worse; it's just the internet that has exposed all the lies we were toldPerhaps that is true [in the sense that the truth has been revealed], but it was those lies that motivate people to strive to do more. Now that those have been dispensed with, the majority falls back to vapid materialism (the various grindset) or wasting away (the NEETs), thus making things worse off for everyone [in society]. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 01:11 PM |
| 1 | Why is it culturally acceptable for women to ask men for money,but taboo for men to expect sex in return.Because even in the seemingly absence of everything else, women are selling social legitimacy. That based & redpilled real men of the manosphere can't see/understand that is also unsurprising. Women (especially the ones of this subreddit) are also keenly aware of this and they despise this type of transaction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 10:20 AM |
| 2 | Men are shallow as wellOf course men are shallow. Males who aren't shallow get their man card revoked and become relegated to support characters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 01:54 AM |
| – | If men are attracted to young women, why would a woman want to marry a man knowing she will grow old?Social legitimacy will keep the majority of the productive males (unworthy of the title of a real man compared to redpillers), and the best part is mere presence is enough: no need to actually do anything. But that's not good enough is it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/25 11:59 PM |
| 2 | Characterizing the male (testosterone-dominant) libido as an unstoppable, irresistible force is a massive cop-outBaser instincts appear to the fore when more advanced systems of incentives & disincentives become sidelined and/or discredited. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/25 07:33 PM |
| 1 | Y'all are shooting yourself in the foot with the slut shaming and puritanical cultureThat doesn't make sense either in real life or by doctrine. RL: For a start, the bulk of the political, religious, and social leaders pushing that kind of puritan doctrines are usually married, have mistresses on the side, etc. (i.e. generally being hypocrites, but they're having their cake & eating it too and much of the scorn falling on their followers or nonaffiliated parties). Doctrine: Since the prevailing moral doctrine of the Euro-Atlantic democracies (or at least on social media spaces, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/25 04:56 PM |
| 3 | Do married men see their wives as old hags after some years?Only based & redpilled real men of the manosphere think like that, while also being anti-marriage in general. So why does the opinions of men who aren't likely to be partaking in marriages so important? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/25 09:18 PM |
| 0 | "Choosing better" arguments should also apply to men who get falsely accused, get cheated on, get rejected, if we're going to apply to female victims of violence and SAThe US military literally has seminars (or whatever those mandatory events are) telling their junior enlisted to not marry the first stripper outside the base. That said advice goes unheeded doesn't mean it never happened or that it's excused. Also "don't stick your dick in the crazy" is quite a common saying among even casual* male spaces so there's that. *as is not explicitly ideologically motivated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/25 05:33 PM |
| 0 | Redpillers I know IRL are losersIf those men were of a more [officially] socially acceptable social-political alignment that [said alignment] would still be held against them (i.e. chances are they would be accused of being "nice guys" and harboring long term ulterior motives). With redpill (and other modern misogynistic doctrines) those men at least have their self respect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/25 10:38 AM |
| 1 | What is your ideal partner like?Any answers provided will be used as examples of male depravity & entitlement. As is tradition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 05:52 PM |
| 3 | Q4M: Your age-appropriate date has a collection of romance novels, fanfiction, and Disney Princess stuff. Red flag? Or no big deal?Those are indications that her social economic class is far above my league. So it is best that I don't waste her time by attempting any courtship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 03:01 PM |
| 50 | They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married.The biggest hurdle for the [socially] middle class to marry [in cultures in the developed world] is the various social expectations that comes with a marriage. The rich can afford those expectations and the poor ignore those expectations. However, adhering to said expectations is how many in the [socially] middle class derive their [short to medium term] happiness from, so the struggle continues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 10:36 AM |
| 2 | Other alternativesBecause most other worthwhile sources of motivations (religious, political, community based, etc.) has been systematically dismantled in the recent past (out of a [rational] fear of them being cooped for heinous purposes), and what's left (doctrines like "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" and modern consoomerism) are too weak to motivate the masses of males. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/25 08:01 PM |
| 0 | Why do you guys insist that a woman's income and career doesn't matter, while also complaining about women "settling" for stable providers?The social legitimacy of her existence as part of a relationship. After all, males in relationships are less likely to be accused of being an incel, unlike their single counterparts... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/25 02:43 PM |
| – | At the verge of starting a hoe faze, ladies any suggestions?Politically you are now, congratulation on receiving your man card. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/25 02:39 PM |
| 0 | Q4M: Why would anyone be ok with dating down?On a fundamental level a woman by default brings a measure of social legitimacy into any relationship, and thus from the perspective of most* males that's always worth the price (even assuming nothing else). *Based & redpilled real men of the manosphere being major exceptions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/25 10:23 AM |
| 0 | Why do women expect traditionalism in relationships?Because those males have nothing else going for them. You don't see fuckbois and based & repilled real men of the manosphere being shackled with those expectations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 11:46 AM |
| 3 | Does virgin-shaming exist?It's easy to claim on technicality that virgins are not being shamed for their lack of experiences, but their lack of moral virtues, but in those cases, why still bring up that seemingly irrelevant point in the first place? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 10:04 AM |
| 3 | Would you date a very attractive girl who doesn't like sex?The males who would marry for social legitimacy (and are willing to sacrifice intimacy for it) are the ones that women should be really wary of. Or did something changed since women became aware of the heinous ulterior motives of "nice guys"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/25 10:27 AM |
| 1 | Plenty of men are shallow unattractive assholes who never wanted to be good men.The traitor is despised more than the enemy, and ulterior motives from the low value males is seen as treason of the highest order, for how dare they attempt to upend the natural order of the cosmos? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/25 01:14 PM |
| 2 | I think that MGTOW and 4B types are deluding themselves when they say people are dating less because they realized the evils of the other gender.It's difficult to debate on as aspects of those movements when their official doctrines are so different from their actual conduct and lack of enforced orthodoxy (i.e. they have orthodoxy, but the membership frequently pick and chose as they wished). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/10/25 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Men are dumb and vote against their economic interest for some perceived macho reasonRemember the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" and thus negative external results should not deter one from pursuing moral virtues? But what happens when that someone's sense of moral virtues is different from yours? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/10/25 10:39 AM |
| 1 | Why lie about the past to get into a relationship?In the real world (i.e. the material world rather than theoretical debates in the abstract) the truth is not automatically a good thing that must be spread everywhere. Does society need to know that their leadership (whether they be economic, political, social, moral, etc.) are full of depraved scumbags and that no amount of revolutions will every change that fundamental aspect of society (as in no matter which group of power-hungry depraved scumbags sits on the throne it doesn't change the fact… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/25 03:19 PM |
| 1 | Do your feelings towards women come from jealousy or genuine disgust?Well, this is what happens when inoffensive males fail to atone for the sins of the real men. Better get back on the atonement grind! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/25 11:13 AM |
| – | Men think they are more attractive than they really areOnce again, the majority of males are not considered real men in the eyes of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/25 10:43 PM |
| 1 | The Manosphere doesn't care about men's issues Vol III: Trump's military policeThat's probably the more nihilistic/selfish factions, which since the manosphere doesn't exactly have a central authority enforcing doctrine they [the factions like the tradcons and whatnot] can't exactly do much about that. Perhaps socking them with the collective guilt of groups that are lumped together with them might motivate them to do something about it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/25 09:55 PM |
| 1 | The Manosphere doesn't care about men's issues Vol III: Trump's military policeThe manosphere (at least the less nihilistic/selfish factions, like the tradcons) have no problem with suffering and struggle as long as it serves a purpose towards a goal for a well defined "ingroup". What they're not okay with are directionless struggle with ill defined objectives and no clear ingroup in mind (like the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues wholly independent of worldly results"). Thus a nation state mobilizing its human resources for the nationalistic (delusional or otherwise) pu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/25 09:09 PM |
| 3 | In certain cases husband material is better than hookup materialThe value of social legitimacy is derived from partaking in society that's coherent enough and prioritize said coherence. For those outside/above of it [who thinks partaking in society is for suckers] any insinuation of being a good member of society would be seen as an insult by default. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/25 04:49 PM |
| 2 | Females Use Good Guys For Bailouts From Bad DecisionsI figured since the far left and the far right (and other far out there political alignments) both sees the military in a negative light I might as well speak their language. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/25 07:14 PM |
| 7 | Females Use Good Guys For Bailouts From Bad DecisionsThat's just the cynical/pessimist way of looking at women's character development and maturing process. Do you hold the same standards for males who joined the military, screwed up their bodies, and then seek VA benefits (all of which are paid for by taxpayer's money)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/25 05:52 PM |
| 6 | Young women are dating the same terrible menWell, the rest of the inoffensive males better atone for the sins of those [real] men, because neither women nor [real] men are going to change their behaviors anytime soon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/25 04:27 PM |
| 5 | CMV: it's underhanded for men to keep their assets in their mother's name in case of a breakupMaterial legalism without the moderating effects of social legitimacy is a cold & cruel place indeed, but since that's what modern societies want and thus that's what they'll get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/25 04:03 PM |
| – | why do men hate sluts so much, instead of just feeling neutral?Because it is human nature to validate the haters, and the majority of males who don't hate sexually liberated women aren't relevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/25 01:42 PM |
| 3 | Having tattoos, being a single mom have very little to do with your ability to attract a high value maleYou heard it folks, lack of loyalty doesn't lower one's value significantly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/25 10:07 AM |
| 2 | What would you personally contribute to society if you could get regular sex from attractive women?There are plenty of other forms of motivations that would work on the majority of males, but due to the historic fears of those forms being co-opted for heinous purposes by evil groups modern society has done its best to discredit them. And so here we are: males either motivated by naked materialism or listless motivated by nothing at all. And before the the practitioners of genuine moral virtues wholly independent of worldly results feel too smug: your doctrine is even more susceptible to being… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/25 11:45 PM |
| 2 | A man’s ability to attract women has nothing to do with whether or not he’s a good personGiven that a major doctrinal point in the mainstream (as in, the secular liberal societies of most euro-Atlantic democracies) schools of thought is that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly result (nor should there be any expectations/entitlement of such), you don't have the gotcha that you think you do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/25 07:46 PM |
| 1 | Women and sex are not your reward for working and contributing to societyMales (really humans in general, but this specific topics is discussing males) requires motivations beyond the bare minimum of survival in order to contribute more than the bare minimum of effort. Societies/communities in general requires [for the purpose of self sustaining & perpetuation] its component members to put forth more than the minimum effort [that is explicitly stated] in order to continue its existence, hence all the unwritten rules of and society. There are plenty of immaterial/non-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 05:17 PM |
| 1 | There is no moral failure in not wanting to sleep with whatever percentage of men.Sure, but there needs to be some form of [immaterial] motivations/purpose for the masses of undesirables to contribute for the glories of society (i.e. more than just being a wagie in the cagie). But since every form of motivation/purpose can be hijacked by the most heinous of regimes the modern morally virtuous are at an impasse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 12:05 PM |
| 1 | I think boyfriend/husband material is more validatingSocial legitimacy value only matters to those who partake in society, and that said society/community exists in a tangible and meaningful sense. For significant number of men/males those factors no longer apply, and thus they longer see contributing as a productive member of society as something to strive for. This sense of the tangible tribe/community/society is one of the main reasons of historically powerful/famous people having adopted heirs (that were not necessarily directly related by blo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 10:23 AM |
| 0 | If Women are hypergamous, then Men are the Prize. Make her work for it.And what about the rest of the males who aren't good enough to be granted the exulted title of "man"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/25 09:56 PM |
| – | I simply don't believe in "beer googles"So just because you are extraordinary does not make you the average, nor the spokesperson for the majority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/25 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Every woman beater I've ever met was almost constantly in relationshipsI'm just paraphrasing what women themselves said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/25 07:34 PM |
| 0 | For a lot of lonely guys, they’re incapable of being good boyfriends….because they choose not to be.Hey I'm just paraphrasing what women themselves have said on this subreddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/25 05:24 PM |
| 2 | For a lot of lonely guys, they’re incapable of being good boyfriends….because they choose not to be.No you see internet incels are clearly worse than serial killers & convicts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/25 05:19 PM |
| 3 | Every woman beater I've ever met was almost constantly in relationshipsBy the doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results means that the morally virtuous are not entitled to relationships just because of their moral virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/25 01:53 PM |
| 2 | Every woman beater I've ever met was almost constantly in relationshipsProbably because those abusers and whatnot still have more redeeming traits than internet misogynists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/25 01:51 PM |
| 9 | For a lot of lonely guys, they’re incapable of being good boyfriends….because they choose not to be.So women's sixth sense are good enough to avoid the worst of the bad options out there but not good enough to realize that all [relevant] options are bad, so they still picked the least bad options (which are still terrible)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/25 01:04 PM |
| 2 | Q4M: Where have all the men gone?There were never any "good men", the entire concept was conjured up by women who were oppressed by the patriarchy to cope with the suffering of their lives. Now that women are slightly less oppressed by the patriarchy the veil has been lifted and as it turns out there are only terrible men: Those with overt motives. Those who harbor ulterior motives. Those who have no motives and thus do nothing on their initiative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/25 10:57 AM |
| 2 | Women: Why are you unable / unwilling to understand why most men consider "hookup/FWB material" more validating than "husband material" given that you put the FWB/hookup guys in a way more exclusive, privileged, elite club?Social legitimacy is only worthwhile for those who wishes to partake in society. Of course, the flip side is that most males crave more than just social legitimacy, and the one who are sated with social legitimacy alone are either pathetic or harboring heinous ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/25 10:14 AM |
| 9 | The cognitive dissonance behind men approaching women is the same cognitive dissonance behind men objectifying women.Real men and the rest of males are basically separate species as far as society is concerned. Many things that real men do that are socially acceptable are not acceptable when done by the rest of the males. However officially there's no distinction between the two (at least, not any that society will overtly acknowledge), thus the seemingly contradictory messages. This is all a consequence of the Enlightenment era thinking, remove the concept of the equality of all men and the LVMs will fall bac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/25 07:57 PM |
| 1 | Being (upper) middle class doesnt mean your relationship/family dynamics are different from the poor.Given that the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues wholly independent of worldly results and anything to the contrary is entitlement" is mostly a middle class phenomenon (the lower classes can't afford to and the upper classes tend to see morality as something only for the peasantry), she's probably socially middle class or above depending on whether you believe that she actually believes that doctrine or merely using it to shut down her opponents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/25 10:04 AM |
| – | Why do you assume a person who is sexual unsuccessful is automatically not "nice"?Not being accepted by societies [and the individuals that makes up societies) is an indication of lack of traits that are conductive towards being in a society (and fitness for relationship for that matter). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/25 09:15 PM |
| 5 | Being (upper) middle class doesnt mean your relationship/family dynamics are different from the poor.Much of the appearance of that [the seemingly lack of difference between the classes] lies in the dilution of the definition of the "middle class" from mainly based on economic metrics to social political metrics (how it got there is another topic for another day). But the main difference between the various [economic] classes lies in the factors of long term planning and impulse control: those two factors influence nearly everything about them (especially across generations). In short they ensu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/25 04:24 PM |
| 6 | Plenty of men are shallow unattractive assholes who never wanted to be good men.And why would they, when society has made it clear that genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/25 09:58 PM |
| 2 | Q4 people who believe that promiscuity damages a womans capacity to "pair-bond" --why doesn't having generally good life, good family etc. also damage a womans capacity to pair bond?--- What's your solution? Look for needy women who live miserable lives Unironically that's kinda what the redpill advocate for its adherents, keep in mind that at its core the redpill wants to extract maximum benefits at minimum costs, regardless of existing morality systems. As I sad before, they're morally bankrupt [by the standards of the rest of society], but their opposition need to understand how they actually operate, and thus need to understand their underlying doctrines and whatnot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/25 09:47 AM |
| 1 | Q4 people who believe that promiscuity damages a womans capacity to "pair-bond" --why doesn't having generally good life, good family etc. also damage a womans capacity to pair bond?They [the based and redpilled real men of the manosphere] also do warn against pursuing widows (especially those who had happy marriages before), as she would always pine for the love of her life and will compare her current partner with the idealized image of the past cut short. Same with women who already have everything and living their best single lives: doctrinally they would require much greater efforts (especially in sustained long term efforts), thus the chances of entering a successful … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/25 01:38 AM |
| 15 | Titanic is not a romantic movie, it's a movie bout a 304.Titanic is just an excuse for James Cameron to indulge in his actual passion: exploring the deep seas. The movie's a byproduct. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/25 01:30 AM |
| 2 | "If she is interested she will show" show what exactlyIf I write out every statement in a way that explicitly stated the level of sarcasm or genuine-ness expected of all potential readers it would have been twice as long and would still unable to prevent those who want to twist the words anyway. The olden days were certainly full of horrors but the modern morally virtuous still haven't figured out a way to motivated the majority of people in a way that is consistent with their moral values. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/25 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Women are instructed to believed "all men bad" by other menAll relevant [real] men are scum, thus society should blame the rest of the irrelevant males in order to bring about positive change. Because going after the actual criminals is asking for too much from society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/25 02:03 PM |
| 7 | "If she is interested she will show" show what exactlyBecause increasing numbers of neurodivergent people are entering neurotypical places (instead of being hidden out of sight and out of mind like in the bad old days) and more codified systems are put in place to give them the structure they need. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/25 01:20 PM |
| 2 | Men should just pay for submissionMost males can't even afford to buy social legitimacy, nevermind their fetishes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/25 12:30 PM |
| 0 | Most relationships between men and women are not genuine.It's easy to win a debate by redefining words so that it fits narratives, but it still look silly to those who don't adhere to those redefined terms. Kinda like when economists proclaim that economics is the study of human nature because all interhuman interactions are transactions motivated by incentives & disincentives. This redefining of genuine relationships being somehow above the incentive/disincentive structure is just as unrealistic as the doctrine of genuine moral virtues wholly indepen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/25 10:33 AM |
| 2 | How exactly should men need to hold other men accountable?Based and redpilled real men of the manosphere are mostly outside (usually, though not always, on their own volition) of the social frameworks of wagie and provider type males, so further theoretical ostracism is unlikely to yield additional effect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/25 03:32 PM |
| 2 | Why do women give bad advice to men?The morally virtuous have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/25 11:30 AM |
| 0 | Do men believe that nice guys finish last ?When genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, the genuine morally virtuous will be reduced to just another resource to be exploited into extinction. This dynamic can be seen in more than relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 03:55 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Being a beta male worksMost of the values derives from being a beta male (i.e. finding fulfillment in duty & sacrifice) relies on the presupposition of being in the context of a relatively homogeneous in-group (whether it be clan, community, or even society), where said male can find solace in that their duty & sacrifice will make a meaningful positive difference... Which isn't really a thing in the cosmopolitan secular liberal cultures of the Euro-Atlantic democracies. Add in that under the doctrine of genuine moral … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 09:50 AM |
| – | What would you want instead of sex?Social legitimacy, which in theory her mere presence would suffice. But that somehow is an even more heinous ulterior motive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/25 10:04 PM |
| -1 | Why are women allowed to be entitled and manipulative and transactional towards men they label as "nice guys"?The "nice guys" are simply getting their comeuppance for their transgression of attempting to exploit societal norms for their ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/25 01:43 PM |
| 4 | Why criminals are attractive to women?People are attracted to action, "dashing" so to speak. That's why Robinhood, 17-18th century pirates, wild west gunslingers (bandits, desperados), gangbangers, etc. are seen as cool. Because instinctively it's understood that they possess the traits that were crucial to survival in the prehistoric era. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/25 09:21 AM |
| 1 | Most women dont desire assholes as boyfriends. Most people dont even want to be friends with assholes.Ted Bundy probably had more redeeming features than the average incel from a woman's perspective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/25 12:15 PM |
| 1 | Most women dont desire assholes as boyfriends. Most people dont even want to be friends with assholes.Most people don't want certain bad things/results/whatnot but gets them nevertheless due to a combination of either personal choices or circumstances of the environment they are in. Regardless due to the way things work (or rather, how they don't) it incentivize bad behavior (defined in this case as behavior that causes negative results towards others) despite most not wanting that. This happens in all aspects of life, in politics, corporate, [local] community, hobby groups, fandoms, etc. where … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/25 10:18 AM |
| 4 | Do you agree with Iliza Schlesinger's take on hateful undesirable saying that it's "natural selection"?I'm just noting that by the culture of this subreddit pointing out uncomfortable truths/facts is often seen as making thinly veiled threats. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/25 09:23 PM |
| 1 | Do you think divorced women with children will be less of a red flag for men with declining birth and marriage rates?No [based and redpilled] real man [of the manosphere] would do it, and the rest of the males are irrelevant, and their [clearly inferior] genes will be purged from the gene pool. Quite a few LVM would contemplate forgoing their own genetic legacy for the greater good of the group (whether they be tribe, ethnicity, etc.), provided that said group is coherent and could be comprehended on an intuitive/instinctive level. The modern cosmopolitan secular progressive cultures doesn't provide that, and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/25 08:52 PM |
| 1 | Do you agree with Iliza Schlesinger's take on hateful undesirable saying that it's "natural selection"?Evolution is a brutish, nasty thing that cares not for the moral constructs of sapient creatures. Those who appeal to natural selection should be ready for the full implication of their ideology. And yes this is considered a threat of violence by the decorum of this subreddit. No decrying the immorality of it doesn't make the actual threat go away, much less defeat it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/25 08:51 PM |
| 3 | Alot of guys are confused about what women want because they’re not honest about what they themselves want (which is just sex).When all other sources of motivation have been discredited in the doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results, the end result is not the uplifting of humanity to a higher state, but rather a return to baser nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/25 01:44 PM |
| 2 | Maybe it wasn't cheating. Maybe the relationship didn't seem serious.Having mismatched implicit expectations on a large scale (after all, if it's not that big of a problem then certainly you wouldn't be bringing it up) will over time lead to a low trust society, and that's not a desirable thing. Also why is there such a significant mismatch of implicit expectations in the first place? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/25 08:50 PM |
| 4 | Genuine Passport bros get too much hateCorporations offshoring gets flak regardless of how they treat the locals, thus passport bros are judged with the same metric: society (in the Euro-Atlantic democracies) has ordained that leaving the homeland to seek cheaper labor/resources elsewhere to be exploitation on a fundamental level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/25 10:24 AM |
| – | You have no excuses for dating failures if you aren’t putting in 100%Societies [of the secular cultures of the modern Euro-Atlantic democracies] have already decreed that effort is not entitled to results. Thus calls to effort [for the purpose of results rather than for its own sake] is incompatible to the prevailing doctrines of the day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/25 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Men should work harder for womenThe paradox of social legitimacy value is that it loses its value when explicitly stated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/25 01:09 AM |
| 6 | Wow, older women really are full of baggageThose things are called wisdom and maturity, and it takes the exceptional mind to appreciate them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/25 04:55 PM |
| -1 | The fertility rate is inextricably linked to women’s level of “knowledge”Moral virtues being incompatible with the perpetuation of the human species isn't a flex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/25 02:16 PM |
| 0 | Whats with the word incel being associated with being a misogynist, especially by women?Any term with specific negative definition, if popularized, will evolve into a term with general negative definitions encompassing a much broader association, maintaining little of the original definition but retaining the negative connotation (if not amplified). For example, imbecile, retarded, mentally challenged, special, autistic, on the spectrum, neurodivergent. All were specific terms denoting specific issues at one point and now are generic insults. Nazi, Commie, alt-right, antifa, libert… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/25 09:18 AM |
| 1 | Would you marry someone who ignored you, rejected you, and only dated men she thought were far more attractive than you?Yes, but the counter question is would she realize how much social legitimacy value she's forfeiting on? She's sacrificing a lot, dumpster diving like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 08:20 PM |
| – | Theres no point being with a man if youre over 35 as a womenIf "men" are defined as those based and redpilled real men who refuse to submit to societal pressures and always seek to assert their will over society then yes the premise is correct. But most males are not exalted like that, and concerning the rest of the males, their desires could be directed towards the fulfillment of social obligations and other such virtues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 12:16 PM |
| 2 | Yes, women do like assholes more than nice guys, its not just because they're physically attractiveNo, the actual difference is that assholes are still less evil than nice guys because the evils of ulterior motives is far worse than the surface evils. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 09:46 AM |
| 1 | We are being psyoped into caring about declining birth rates.Historically retirement was not really a thing, the old and the infirm were simply shuffled off to ancillary labor. Thing is modern industrial (and post industrial) societies have removed much of those grey areas of labor, thus making those same old & infirm economically a net drain. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 11:16 PM |
| 3 | Alimony make sense in many cases and should not become obsolete and permanent alimony makes sense as wellIn the context of secular/corporate POV termination of contracts rarely (certainly not standard at any rate) include residual obligations and payments, and thus the termination of marriages would fall under similar logic. In the context of religious/traditional POV... well, that would require a religious/traditional society to reach such a social consensus, but the problem (for the modern secular people) is that usually it also include a lot of other undesirable caveats and whatnot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 11:07 PM |
| 4 | Other then sex, there’s you get in a relationship that you cant get in a friendship.A relationship (especially an official one like a marriage) also imbued a sense of social legitimacy onto the relevant parties, especially the males in question, as now in the eyes of society they are seen as dependable, reliable, and unlikely to become subversive [towards society]. Of course none of that matters to people who are too based to be caring about societal norms but that's not most people (otherwise there wouldn't be a relevant society in the first place). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 10:47 AM |
| 2 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).It's inherited from the online Christian vs Atheist debate of the late 2000s to early 2010s (in short, where atheists pointed out that if it's only the threat of hellfire that keeps Christians from committing sins then they have already [by their own doctrine] committed those sins in their hearts and they're already morally bankrupt), then applied to those males who used ulterior motives in order to manipulate women into relationships with them (i.e. the whole thing with nice guys, their entitle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 10:02 PM |
| – | It is no more wrong for a woman to have a high body count than a manOh there's reasons of self interest under those social constructs (who those men maintain, and the women who crave validation from said men). They may not be rational from a meta perspective, but from their perspective it makes sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 07:00 PM |
| – | It is no more wrong for a woman to have a high body count than a manThe difference between the two [in the context of contemporary times] is due to social constructs but said constructs are very strong due to entrenched/established interests. In the context of establishing long term relationships, women naturally imbued a measure of social legitimacy to not only herself, but also the male counterpart in question. This imbuing of social legitimacy is tied with the woman's alleged "purity" Despite its unfairness, all the [based and redpilled real] men subscribe to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 06:48 PM |
| 7 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).She only meant those males who complain about their state of affairs. The silent males are out of sight and out of mind, just as society ordains. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 01:38 PM |
| 3 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).If you dont think being good/kind/nice is rewarding in itself So given the premise of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results and completely sourced internally, then does that imply the existence of a universal set of moral value that all [relevant]* humans understand on a innate level? And if not, how can moral virtues be taught without an incentive/disincentive structure? *i.e. ignoring statistically insignificant exceptions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 12:47 PM |
| 1 | People angry at the term “Emotional Labor” have never cared for people.Labor [outside of explicit contracted labor] are not entitled to results/reciprocity, and and voice to that effect is considered to be entitlement. (implicit agreements are not accepted in the context of the subreddit) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 02:30 PM |
| 6 | A lot of men who complain about attractive men being assholes and still getting laid are themselves bad men who wish they didn’t have to act like a good person in order to get laid.If [within the context of the doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results and that all motivations of moral virtues should be derived from internal sources] calling out negative behaviors is dismissed as being done from the position of ulterior motives then there's effectively no mechanisms in place to penalize said negative behaviors (though even public disapproval without material consequences is already a rather weak mechanism, but that's a separate discussio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 08:38 AM |
| 4 | Dont expect relationship treatment when you dont want to be in a relationship.Everyone wants the most benefits for the least effort, and sometimes they stumble into their wish list. And in the current social atmosphere, complaining about it all is seen as a valid method to go about doing it. After all, putting out the most effort for the least benefits is for the others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 12:48 AM |
| 2 | Don't give up: Mature women appreciate kind menThere's no free lunch: either someone somewhere pays for it or it goes away very quickly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 12:32 AM |
| 2 | Accountability and MenIf valor isn't meant to be stolen then why is it so easy to buy a stack of ribbons off of Temu? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 01:57 PM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceFor [doing exploration in the 20s and shifting gears towards stability in the 30s] to work requires a underlying notion of leveraging social legitimacy, which requires a sufficient number of others to buy into those specific social doctrines. However by promoting such 'life hacks' it undermines those same specific social doctrines and thus making said strategy less viable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 01:00 PM |
| 3 | I'd rather be a man finding a girlfriend than a woman finding a boyfriend.The woman, if she so chooses, can take the initiative. The opposite, that of the male taking on a passive role, is worse than nothing (as it emasculate him in the eyes of society, among other things, like it isn't gonna work anyway). Thus in theory women have greater freedom of action. Now in reality given that given every woman will get sexually harassed and assaulted (if not raped and murdered) before they reached the age of 30 the life of the male starts to look a lot better in comparison, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Misogyny Will Have To Be Eradicated To Stop MisandryGuess low value males better figure out how to atone for the sins of both women and men, because neither of those groups will bulge before that happens. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 11:15 AM |
| 2 | "Women were forced to be with terrible men back in the day"- Then what about today?It's not that complicated. The matter is that the fake is often perceived as more real than the actual real thing. This can be seen in most aspects of life, from politics (where people of terrible moral character keep on getting elected despite the populace wanting more moral character) to businesses keep on getting sold to private equity firms that gut it & scuttled it (despite the shareholders and whatnot clearly not wanting their shares going down the toilet). Thus it's not a stretch to note … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 09:14 AM |
| 1 | If women’s “value-add” contribution is pregnancy, then it makes sense that men have to contribute a value-add tooIt's more of a critique about sources of motivations & values and how those interact with notions of alpha & beta, as it is currently in vogue to shit on those who are motivated to fulfill social obligations and other selfless values, while glorify those who are more selfish. Thus both the draft dodger [who styles himself as too good to serve his country/society/community] and the warrior [who's mainly motivated by winning glory for himself on the battlefield] are alpha, while the soldier who is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 06:39 PM |
| 3 | There is no such thing as "platonic cuddling" between a straight guy and a womanask yourself does your male bestie “spoon” with his male friends? Doesn't that happens a lot in the military, especially out in the field in colder weather conditions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 02:36 PM |
| – | Men had a harder time finding a mate before feminism.Difference is that in most of history the various non-material/worldly sources of motivations were far stronger which gives the have-nots a sense of meaning and purposes to strive for (while not actually having to give them much in the way of material/worldly things). Now that those sources are discredited there's a void amongst the have-not males, which breeds discontent and other troubles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 11:04 AM |
| 3 | If women’s “value-add” contribution is pregnancy, then it makes sense that men have to contribute a value-add tooAugust of 2021, but it's irrelevant since I'm a low value male and not one of those real men, hence just doing those things instead of taking credit for them and trying to leverage that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 09:00 AM |
| 2 | If women’s “value-add” contribution is pregnancy, then it makes sense that men have to contribute a value-add tooReal men's contributions are to send\* hordes low value males to die in wars** for the protection [of existing properties] and the acquisition [of others properties]. That's what they're bringing to the union. *After all, taking credit for the collective contributions of the male gender is alpha behavior, actually doing the contributing is beta behavior. **can be swapped for other manual/working class labor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/25 11:53 PM |
| 2 | If you could date the perfect synthetic companion, more attractive than any human, would you choose that over a human partner? (Hetero relationship)No. The AI would not have the social legitimacy value of a human unless it can & does reject LVMs like me, which then brings back to square 1. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/25 09:08 PM |
| 1 | Can you give me the percentage of misogynists in the USA? You can take a guess.>95% of all relevant men are misogynists, to combat this issue the scorn and consequences will be heaped on the irrelevant males. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/25 08:06 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Deadbeat dads shouldn't be allowed to pay child support up front in a lump sumWouldn't said lump sum put in the form of a trust (i.e. handing it off to qualified financial planners) be the best of both worlds? It would allow more responsible inflows while accounting for unexpected negative events (such as the baby daddy dying prematurely). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 03:10 PM |
| – | If women "hit a wall" then why should we bother with marriage?Then don't marry those based & redpilled real men of them manosphere (who in general tend to not want marriage anyway), instead enter into platonic coparenting relationships with males who are guided by social obligations and duty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 02:04 PM |
| 1 | CMV: summer clothing is not an excuse for men to look moreOh don't worry, corporations will put sight (and the rest of the senses) locked behind subscription services soon enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 09:26 AM |
| 1 | If you want to spread genes without effort, it’s a sensible strategy to abandon pregnant mothers since women won’t vote against themselves and since bluepill men will always cheerfully clean up your sloppy seconds.An inevitable conclusion in the context of observing the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results". But just as your worldly successes doesn't care for moral virtues, the morally virtuous doesn't care for your worldly successes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 12:19 AM |
| 1 | “Who are you to tell others how they feel” because people with victim complexes lie. There should be gatekeeping.why do you hate them more than legitimate assholes like me? The wickedness of ulterior motives are generally far worse than the openly wicked, mainly that the former tends to weasel into positions of trust and then betrays said trust, while the latter could be easily avoided (and thus isn't really a problem). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/25 08:29 PM |
| 1 | “Who are you to tell others how they feel” because people with victim complexes lie. There should be gatekeeping.I don't think the majority of the misogynists (nevermind the actual male demographic here, but male allies are invisible by doctrine) of this subreddit would classify as "nice guys" except under a rather broad definition: One of the core tenets of the Redpill was the rejection of nice guy behaviors. While nice guys are evil in their ulterior motives the based and redpilled real men are openly evil/misogynistic/whatever, and unapologetically so (which means that they're effectively immune to sham… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/25 08:27 PM |
| 5 | “Who are you to tell others how they feel” because people with victim complexes lie. There should be gatekeeping."Nice guys" were THE villains of the 2010s decade, so it should not be surprising that for someone who's formative years were spent crusading against that evil to develop an obsession on it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/25 05:25 PM |
| 3 | Q4M: Why do guys act like cooking & cleaning for your bf is so amazingThe side effect of the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" isn't the raising of moral virtues among the general population, but rather the devolvement to human's baser instincts (reactions to worldly incentives/disincentives). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/25 09:49 PM |
| 6 | What are some things women dont understand about you?There seems to be a trend in which the [morally virtuous] women of this subreddit cannot comprehend that the vast majority of males react (in part or wholly) to material/worldly incentive/disincentives. Thus the doctrine of genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results requires a society/culture to maintain it, lest it be outcompete by doctrines based more on worldly results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/25 06:58 PM |
| 1 | The hate on passport bros just proves that alot of women just dont want some men to be happyThe belief that those who harbor motives to exploit others do not deserve happiness is relatively mainstream. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/25 04:05 PM |
| 1 | Why do men assume gorgeous women will have a bad personality ? Why judge a woman unfairly and harsh ?Many people (What percentage of the population, who knows. Just assume all the relevant ones) tend to assume that there's a correlation between privilege and entitlement. It also does not help that they also act that way in respects to what privileges they have themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/25 10:00 AM |
| 1 | Men can’t say that women are wrong for worrying about their safety and at the same time that it’s dangerous for them.The world is a dangerous place and most people (more so for those in developed economies) have terrible assessment of probability and threat assessment. All three position (world being dangerous, women being wrong on what really threatens them, and males being wrong about what poses danger to women) can be true at the same time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/25 11:40 AM |
| 1 | Men are much better at manipulation than womenSo there is a world of difference between real men and the rest of the male population. Now with that acknowledge can society stop blaming the rest of the males for the sins of the real men or are the rest of the males still on the hook via collective guilt? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 01:42 PM |
| 2 | You don't "deserve" to be treated like Chad because you aren't ChadIf society/culture takes this line of reasoning to its natural conclusion then the post-enlightenment consensus will be thrown out altogether, which most here would not like the consequences and implications of that. Yes, this is considered a threat of violence (consequences) by the decorum of the subreddit. No, declaring it as such doesn't actually remove the threat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/25 05:08 PM |
| 1 | Should men forgive a cheating girlfriend that wants him back ?There's a difference between forgiveness from a position of strength vs from a position of weakness, and both parties will perceive that difference differently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 12:15 PM |
| 3 | Women have different rules for guys they're actually attracted to.Rules, being social constructs, are meant for those who cannot change it. Thus those who are superior are also by default above said rules. That is the foundation of society. Thus either accept the nature of rules & social norms or [the following has been deleted due to violation of reddit's TOS]. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 02:22 PM |
| 4 | Women aren't into men and that's a good thingThis is what happens when law & social norm abiding males fails to atone for the sins of the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere. The consequences will only become more severe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/25 07:45 PM |
| 0 | Why do women expect empathy and a good guy behavior from "undesirable" guys?Because in the modern social contract [in the Euro-Atlantic democracies] genuine moral virtues wholly independent of worldly results is the bare minimum expected of the majority of the inhabitants of said societies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 11:06 AM |
| -1 | Men want women to have LOW standards, not consistent standards.Women, girlfriends, your mother's, genreally do this for you even if they obviously ain't getting nothing but sh*t back in return. Doesn't that just reinforces the other poster's point, namely that doing good things without any expectations of reciprocity tends to net negative [worldly/external] results for the person doing them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 06:09 PM |
| 1 | The Tea App proved the vast majority of men are bad man, women have no choice but to accept polygamy/settle or stay single.Even working as intended the app is a problem of trying to use systematic solutions to solve vibes problems, with the further issue of the enforcement of said solutions being vibe based. Just like how every anti-war media ends up making war looking cool. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 03:09 PM |
| 1 | Dysfunctional women are desirable because they have low standards.Clearly that just means that serial killers have more redeeming traits than those 1/3 of males. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 04:46 PM |
| 1 | Ai robot sex toysRobots/AI won't have the social legitimacy of real women until they can reject LVMs, so hold that social legitimacy over the heads of the LVMs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/25 12:42 PM |
| 3 | What would you do in terms of sex and dating if you were a woman?Scenario need more parameters, but assuming the scenario as is most reincarnated people would probably be effectively indistinguishable from the first timer counterparts. But even assuming full prior memories and keeping the same personalities, most of them will still probably lead rather unadventurous second lives: It's their high inhibitions & [previous] adherence to social norms that led them to their current situation in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/25 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Apparently “Men are only incentivized by what women reward” and “Women shaming/punishing men only pushes them away”.Of course morally you are correct [as always], but since genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly result (and vice versa) and all the relevant men responds to worldly incentives/disincentives, what now? Keep shouting your moral proclamations into the void? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/25 02:16 PM |
| 2 | Men are fundamentally unsuitable for long term relationshipsSelf control only suppress those desires, which means that they can be categorized as a form of ulterior motive, and the women of this subreddit has long made clear that they despise ulterior motives of any kind in males. Women want an absence of wickedness, not just the suppression of wickedness (that could break out at any moment). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/25 12:49 PM |
| 2 | The bluepill is by far the nastiest dating ideology"Genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" might be unattainable [in the material world], but that does not make it actively malicious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/25 12:04 PM |
| 1 | Men are fundamentally unsuitable for long term relationshipsAll relevant men are scum, clearly the solution is to take it out on the irrelevant males who aren't scum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/25 10:22 AM |
| 2 | The lie regarding nice guysYes. By doctrine genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results, therefor negatives reactions by others is not an excuse to stop positive behaviors. From the moment any expectation of otherwise was formed, and thus any acts derived from that is tainted by ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/25 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Onlyfans proves male hypergamy.Onlyfans prove nothing because the median (a more relevant metric than the mean) income of content creators are under $200 a month. The ones making loads of money are either celebrities cashing on their fame (which by subreddit doctrine is dismissed as celebrities are so far removed to the norm as to be useless as examples to prove anything for the regular folks), corporate fakes to entice others to join, and/or fronts for money laundering. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/25 07:18 PM |
| – | The redpill would be taken more seriously if they didnt comment on things they know nothing about.Expertise doesn't rule out mistakes (Mao's backyard steel smelting campaign was on the advice of an expect, who later admitted he fucked up) or active malice (the old food pyramid in the USA was straight up grain lobby propaganda), so it's not as if expertise is some trump card. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/25 12:18 PM |
| 1 | What is the point of dating or getting into a committed relationship with men?Unfortunately the males (who are not worth the title of "man") who aren't like that are either asexual or harbor some long term ulterior motives, both of those which make them unsuitable for romantic relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/25 12:13 PM |
| – | "Women are not a monolith" but the Tea App is #1 at the Apple storeThe only thing those women on that app have in common is not wanting to be abused, harassed, raped, etc. . That's just basic human nature. That they got doxxed (if not the whole app being a trap in the first place) confirmed their worst fears. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/25 02:06 PM |
| 2 | All measures to fight bad men unfortunately end up hurting normal menLaw and social norms abiding males are guilty of not doing enough to atone the sins of based and redpilled real men of the manosphere, and that's enough justification for all the measures that women are using to punish them. The warlord and his warband is beyond justice, thus the peasant rabble must suffer to bring the illusion of justice in the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/25 10:17 AM |
| 0 | Why is toxicity rewarded in a dating setting like I know it makes them interesting but what about morals?Genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of materialistic/worldly results, thus debating on incentive/disincentive systems is irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/25 08:18 PM |
| – | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Never mind potential ulterior motives, people just don't like selflessness at its face value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/25 06:25 PM |
| 3 | CMV: men's failure to approach women is ruining datingWell, most males aren't courageous like that, and that's the reality of the situation. Thus either something has to change to incentivize males to take the risk (or at least mitigate the most damaging of the disincentives) or accept that the passive cowardly males are the new norm of the existing populations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/25 03:55 PM |
| 4 | CMV: men's failure to approach women is ruining datingAs always you're morally correct so let's move on to the pragmatic aspects, namely that most men/males operates on worldly incentives/disincentives to a significant extent and that they are cowards as they fear things like false accusation, public humiliation, etc. So what measures can be put in place to assure [the majority of males] that the cost of failure (as failure is all but guaranteed) won't be that high as to become unaffordable? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/25 02:50 PM |
| 7 | Alot of men struggle with dating because theyre selfish and dont want to be empathetic.If that's true (and even by doctrine it shouldn't be, as genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results) then the increase in amount of housework that males do (a somewhat indirect way of measuring empathy) would raise the overall amount of relationships (instead of the opposite). But of course it's not enough, but then that just raises the issue of there being no difference between making an effort and not making an effort, which raise both pragmatic and theoretical issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/25 02:46 PM |
| 0 | If you knew a woman/man who could never have sex, would you still marry them?Yes, the social legitimacy of the marriage is enough value. But that's an even more despicable motive isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/25 02:39 PM |
| 2 | Q4M - What happened to make guys go from self-described (AFCs) to self-described “incels”?The economic middle class is all but extinct while the social middle class has significantly expanded, which leaves a larger percentage of people who style themselves as middle class but completely inadequate in terms of financial/economic status. Hence the perceived increase in extremism among the general male pop. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/25 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Yes, women should “wait at the finish line” for a good man.The problem with the theory is that being plopped into an idealized situation (whether it be snagging a suitable provider type partner, or getting the dream job) without expanding effort towards those goals will be a rough adjustment (which under more normal circumstances the hardships of working towards those goals would be the adjustment process). And while not every lotto winner blows their fortune within 18 months, the odds are simply not in their favor. The same could be said for other situ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/25 03:29 PM |
| 1 | The future is polygamous - rich men have harems and male slavesOn the point of eternal stagnation once the elites ascended to a technological godhood: it won't last, if nothing else said gods/elites will fight each other at some point (whether it be boredom, clashing egos, etc.) as the same drive that led to that point will try to reach even higher points, and all the consequences of that. We already saw that in history with the 20th century: One in which at the beginning of it the European colonial empires controlled most of the world, the most developed a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/25 12:06 PM |
| 2 | The future is polygamous - rich men have harems and male slavesThe morals of the socially middle class to mentally hobble themselves which makes them less competitive than both the upper and the lower classes. That, along with self imposed social expectations, is in effect the foundation of your premise (and other similar predictions of that nature). Historically most of the peasantry harbored no illusions about becoming part of the harems of the rich & powerful, and ended up with those of similar social status. Not to mention when one crunch the numbers it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 03:06 PM |
| 1 | The future is polygamous - rich men have harems and male slavesThis assumes that the moral virtues of the socially middle class will outlast the extinction of the economic middle class, which is far from guaranteed. The whole premise fall apart once said [socially middle class] moral virtues are removed. The lower classes have always mainly paired up with those of similar social status in most of history and will continue to do so in the foreseeable future. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 01:55 PM |
| 4 | If a woman desires “bad boy” traits from a guy in order to be attracted to him she doesn’t truly like him[As by doctrine genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results] most people respond to worldly incentives to various extents. For the past couple of decades much of the structures incentivizing good (as defined by moral, or at least socially agreeable) behaviors are systematically dismantled (all to root out those "nice guys" and their ulterior motives, which was and remains a noble cause to work towards), thus making such behaviors (and by extension personalities) effectively n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 12:13 AM |
| 2 | Dismissing women's opinions of men because they're based on online interactions is stupid (and intentionally manipulative).It's fascinating to see how the younger generation explicitly trust online/virtual interactions over physical/real life interactions in a reversal compared to older generations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/25 05:21 PM |
| -2 | Dismissing women's opinions of men because they're based on online interactions is stupid (and intentionally manipulative).Well, law & social norm abiding males better figure out how to atone for the sins of the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere, otherwise the blame will continued to fall on them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/25 03:06 PM |
| 2 | Unless in the context of an LTR, “Physical intimacy” is a word horny people use to pretend they’re romantic.Anyone who uses the term "physical intimacy" is a degenerate, anyone who talks of things besides "physical intimacy" is a well disciplined degenerate. Ain't this subreddit hell? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 09:49 PM |
| 1 | What do you think of a guy making you wait for sex?Women want men/males who can wait despite their drive, not due to a lack of one. There's a major difference between the two. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 03:35 PM |
| 3 | The market depicts your value, not youFair market generally assumes readily accessible [unbiased] information and the relevant participants being capable of making informed decisions. Both of which are rather lacking in the 2020s, mainly online but also increasingly offline as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 03:33 PM |
| 0 | [Q4RP]: Why haven't you joined a more conservative community?Given that doctrinally the Redpill is about rejecting the existing social compacts why would they joining a group known for its [theoretical] adherence to strong social compact? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 09:48 AM |
| 1 | Women don't reserve casual sex for top % men because those are the only ones we're attracted to.I think her insinuation is that all [relevant] men/males are scum, but that higher status men are more sated [because of their wider access to various things] and thus will less likely to act upon their baser instincts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/25 12:14 PM |
| 1 | If dating feels like a competition, your standards are too high.And yet those males who do lower their standards are usually seen as harboring ulterior motives (which in the expanded definition does apply as it includes anything that raise's a male's odds of securing a relationship). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/25 11:46 AM |
| – | "Used goods" vs "reviewed product", thoughts ?Instincts can't be negotiated but can be suppressed via application of social pressures, but those whose instincts can be suppressed in such ways also lose what little desirability they had in the first place (as in, how potential others desire them), and so the struggle continues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/25 10:13 AM |
| 2 | Most of the time, dont wait for a man to get better. Just pick a better guy.But how can women pick better when all [relevant] options are terrible? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/25 12:43 PM |
| 3 | Most of the time, dont wait for a man to get better. Just pick a better guy.Well, if the men/males change [for the better], then she wouldn't have to crusade as hard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/25 12:40 PM |
| 1 | Men want women to work for them for freeJust like how women can leverage their social legitimacy value to snag a provider type male who'll provider with no ulterior motives, the relevant [real] men can (and do) leverage their exalted status to get women to work for them for "free". If one values that status to the point of willing to do things for free then that's on them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 11:23 AM |
| 1 | Men who blindly overcorrect as feminists are as annoying as misogynistsIn worldly/materialistic consequences both hardcore feminism & hardcore misogyny will lead to the patriarchy, as feminism tries to solve a vibes problem with systematic solutions, all the while not [subconsciously] wanting to destroy said vibes. Thus male feminists (genuine or otherwise) are still the foot soldiers of the patriarchy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/25 04:36 PM |
| 1 | Love and sex is not a rightA society that creates conditions in which significant numbers of people suffers chronic lack of certain things taken for granted by the rest will see an increase in anti-social behavior. Yes this is the have-nots threatening if not actually partaking in violence. Yes they are being immoral for doing so. No, telling them how immoral they are isn't going to stop their immorality. Thus society needs to either attempts to better the conditions, or responds with force to snuff out the troublesome el… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 03:52 PM |
| 1 | The average dude is creep profiled even before he approaches or expresses interest in a womanClearly that's because those abusive men are still have more redeeming traits than the males with a hint of ulterior motives and/or bitterness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 03:45 PM |
| 3 | The average dude is creep profiled even before he approaches or expresses interest in a womanMost males are not good at hiding their ulterior motives, which allows woman's intuition to notice red flags seemingly preemptively. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 02:24 PM |
| 1 | No women should be excited to get married in 2025Quite telling that it's the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere gets all the attention and seemingly have this mind control aura that makes women want to marry them despite being not in the woman's interest for a logical perspective. But then again, benefits could be extracted from law & socially males without marriages or even meaningful interactions, so marriages are obsolete, just for a completely different reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 09:35 AM |
| 1 | We Talk About Women’s Biological Clock. But Sperm Quality Has a Clock TooThis, along with the time & effort required to reach the economic/financial prerequisites, means that provider type males are effectively forced [by moral doctrine] to become stepparents if they want to fulfill their wish to become a parent. On the macro & long term this would also [genetically] selective against provider type males (which is clearly a good thing, since most of the factions of this subreddit despise those types of males anyway). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 02:33 PM |
| – | Men being single isn't a problem to be solvedMorally correct but that's not going to convince the males that had rejected the moral compact in the first place... Yes, this is considered a threat of violence by the norms of this subreddit. No, decrying it isn't going to make it go away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 09:55 AM |
| 2 | For most of human history, "love" was almost a fictional concept, marriages and relationships were based on resources, the notion of romantic relationships as we see today did not become widespread until the 20th centuryMoralist POV: Just because the past is full of suffering doesn't mean that we must accept that suffering is good. Materialist POV: If moral virtues are unsustainable historic norm will reassert itself, regardless of how immoral they are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/25 08:58 PM |
| 1 | It is not “just world fallacy” to believe that anyone who is chronically unable to have anyone ever desire them despite trying, is unattractive in some way.That's the exact problem I'm pointing out in the worst case scenario: that oftentimes society treats undesirable people worse than actual criminals and whatnot, and whatever technical/theoretical differences in the reasoning of that treatment is irrelevant to the reality of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/25 12:31 PM |
| 2 | It is not “just world fallacy” to believe that anyone who is chronically unable to have anyone ever desire them despite trying, is unattractive in some way.The consequences for both types [in a best case scenario] is that they are ostracized by the wider society, so again from the perspective of the undesirables they are being treated in a similar manner as the nominally bad people, the reasoning behind the consequences not noticeable enough to differentiate. (worst case scenario would be that society makes excuses for bad people because said bad people are popular/connected/whatever, which happens often enough in society) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/25 11:57 AM |
| 2 | It is not “just world fallacy” to believe that anyone who is chronically unable to have anyone ever desire them despite trying, is unattractive in some way.By the time an appeal to a technical distinction is made, it's an implied admission that there's not a practical distinction, which is what really matters as far as worldly consequences/effects go. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/25 03:20 PM |
| 1 | CMV: requiring women to make the first move with "choosing signals" is just more emotional laborIf one cede the initiative, then one should also not be surprised when one stumbles into a hellish situation in a learned helpless manner. One can declare the results to be immoral, but they will happen regardless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/25 07:50 PM |
| 1 | What do you want from a marriage?The privilege of fulfilling social obligations. To even think of anything else would be the height of entitlement and ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/25 11:55 AM |
| 6 | Father’s Age and Fitness Linked to Placental Health and Pregnancy RisksThe point of the post is to inform males who finally got their financial affairs in order that they have aged out of the acceptable age bracket to have biological children, thus that if they still desire to fulfill the social obligations of being a parent they should resign themselves to becoming stepparents. All for the betterment of society & the genetic pool of course. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/25 02:54 PM |
| 4 | Being nice is the bare minimum. Most guys' definition of a good guy usually seems to be someone with basic human decency. Women on average have alot of options compared to the average man, so of course just being a good guy is not gonna be enough.If that's the bare minimum standards then surely the men who don't meet those requirements will be [in general] worse off (by most worldly metrics, but especially those pertaining to relationships) than the males who do... (Of course genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results and thus one is not entitled to have good results for merely not being bad/wicked/whatever but most males generally react to worldly incentives/disincentives thus they care about such comparisons) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 06:19 PM |
| 2 | Lauren Sanchez is the opposite of what Red Pillers are telling us that men want in women and shows that women just have to be hot and seductiveSince this subreddit has a doctrine of dismissing celebrity examples as being too far out from the norms of the majority, will that be applied to this example as well? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 12:50 PM |
| 0 | Delaying sex strategy really works well for women. That's why men in this sub hate and despise this strategy so much.The same way one can tell [in an USA context] whether someone's a veteran: the vibes. Most people are not as slick as they would like to believe, not to mention that many don't even see those points as negatives that need to be hidden in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 10:43 AM |
| 5 | Delaying sex strategy really works well for women. That's why men in this sub hate and despise this strategy so much.So this subreddit has finally gone full circle, as the type of male who are willing to wait that long were seen as those harboring some truly heinous ulterior motives (i.e. the nice guys who are the most despicable creatures as far as this subreddit is concerned) or the truly desperate (the second most despicable creatures as far as this subreddit is concerned). That being said there is a major difference between the 2000s and the 2020s: namely that given the less cohesiveness of societies in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 10:02 AM |
| 3 | Q4M: Do you have days in which you don’t think about attractive women, relationships or sex at all?Depending on how wide the definition of those terms are set and how many degrees of separations are counted. If using the widest definitions (in order to get a "gotcha") then no. If using more mundane definitions then yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/25 09:33 AM |
| 2 | Men love transactional relationships.And the males who don't can be exploited to the fullest without giving anything in return, thus making this doctrine a self fulfilling prophesy. But don't worry, the inferior genes of those males will be purged from the gene pool, and one day women will be freed from the horrors of those males. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/25 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Assuming you'll never enter a romantic relationship should be the default rather than a "worst case" outcome.Maybe in the specific [current] cultural climate of the Euro-Atlantic democracies, but given that it's known that humans are mammals (i.e. sexual rather than asexual reproduction) and it takes a significant amount of effort of pregnancy & child rearing (i.e. not some hive mind specialized thing like the naked mole rat) it can be deduced that pairing up for humans is at least semi-natural, as far as retaining sustainable population growth. The current cultural climate of hyper individualism & mat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/25 09:33 AM |
| 10 | Most stuff women put up with in relationships is only worth it if the guys richThat's why increasing number of women are staying single and being happier for it [according to their proclamations, which by subreddit customs should be believed without caveat]. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/25 05:02 PM |
| 2 | Most stuff women put up with in relationships is only worth it if the guys richLaw & social norm abiding males, this is what happens when you fail to atone for the since of the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere. Better get back on that [perpetual, useless/counterproductive, and invisible] atonement grind before you receive more consequences for your lack of efforts. Because going after the specific individuals who caused the problem in the first place is unreasonable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/25 04:45 PM |
| 4 | In this day and age, women have to be strategically bitchy to their men in order to get the best resultsThat is how one gets everything one wants in the exact way that they want and still be unhappy. The human soul is not a machine in which specific inputs will yield specific outputs (but the way this subreddit's culture functions pretends that's the case despite overtly denouncing it). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/25 09:23 AM |
| 3 | Conservatives and the manosphere also love the demonization of men.Both the mainstream sides are [fundamentally] applying social pressures to steer people towards socially acceptable behavior, suitably modified with the doctrine of "genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results". However these tactics falls apart when applying against those who have rejected the premise of the existing social order and prioritized worldly results over abstract moral virtues (or inventing their own moral systems more in line with worldly results). Moreover, mod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/25 09:40 PM |
| 0 | Why do men treat their partners like emotional punching bags?The [relevant] men do that because they can afford to (after all, them being in relationships proves that), and the males who don't do that are irrelevant (they aren't in relationships, thus there's nowhere to prove themselves). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/25 11:16 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Being a SAHM is easily one of the hardest jobs in the world[in the context of the modern secular liberal progressive cultures of the Euro-Atlantic democracies]* If one sees children as something they're forced to have and by extension raising of them as some sort of obligation) then yes parenting is a entry level menial labor job with no prospects, no purpose, and no respect. Rather [in that same context], childrearing is akin to an expensive hobby: one in which one invest massive amounts of time, energy, labor, and effort into for the satisfaction of h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/25 09:35 AM |
| 3 | Men who can’t find a girlfriend have simply not dropped their standards enoughGenuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/25 02:34 PM |
| 1 | Do you or someone you know pay for Onlyfans?Given the medium (which is different from the mean) income of the onlyfans creator is around ~$150 a month it might very well be that a lot of the "successful" content creators are fronts for money laundering. But then again, hordes of degenerate gooners is more believable than money laundering operations, if only because of ingrained societal biases. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/25 12:46 PM |
| 1 | Porn watching is more morally wrong in men than it is in womenAs always the OP is morally correct but since by doctrine genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results making wholly moral arguments is unlikely to sway the average male, who is partially or even mainly reacts to worldly incentives/disincentives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/25 10:14 AM |
| 1 | Women have not somehow artificially manipulated the dating market to increase their perceived value, the modern dating market simply revealed that women are more desirable than menThe provider features of males have been supplemented (if not replaced wholesale) by the role of government (and other societal) organizations, but the social legitimacy value (and vetting role) of women has not. Thus the disconnect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/25 03:52 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Men pretend to not notice hints so they can continue putting in the bare minimumWell why would the men in question change their behavior when there's no real/material consequences to their actions/inactions? Dude's still in a relationship, or if he got dumped after this he had been in a relationship (and the implicit vetting of that would make acquiring a subsequent relationship easier). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/25 08:35 PM |
| 3 | Men who demand traditionalism and submissiveness from women without being competent himself will never deserve it and should not get it.Well if going by a doctrinal slanted view of history (in which traditionally men are abusive pieces of shit who contribute nothing while leeching everything from others, ruling through lies & threats of violence), based & redpilled real men of the manosphere are very traditional and thus fully deserving of submissive bangmaids... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 06:08 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: By which date can a woman expect a gift from you?The males who give gifts early will show themselves as low value. If he's willing to do it for you, he's probably willing to do it for anyone within 1 standard deviation of you. Just like not every male is a [real] man, not every woman is a queen/princess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 06:06 PM |
| 5 | Women who cycle through "criminal losers" instead of dating a "good guy"Duh. Serial killers & similar criminals often have redeeming traits, unlike incels & "nice guys". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 11:47 AM |
| 17 | The post-#MeToo culture and the rise of dating apps gave men a reality checkBut blaming LVM for the sins of real men will surely motivate said LVMs to fix those problems right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/25 03:10 PM |
| 3 | Would you date asexual person?I would be willing to economically provide for an asexual person out of sense of social obligation, but that is an ulterior motive so I doubt said person would be willing to tolerate that kind of thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/25 01:59 PM |
| – | What Men WantIt's true: all the relevant men are like that and all the males who aren't like that aren't relevant. Thus the conundrum remains how can the irrelevant males atone for the transgressions of those relevant men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/25 02:35 PM |
| 2 | men hate things they causeThis is what happens when law and social norms abiding males failed to atone for the sins of the based and redpilled real men of the manosphere. That those males also have no realistic means of atoning for those sins is irrelevant because the men certainly aren't going to so somebody's gotta pay. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/25 10:21 AM |
| 1 | Misogynist young adults get more sexGenuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results (and expecting any sort of said results is entitlement) is the prevailing doctrine among the mainstream cultures of the Euro-Atlantic democracies. Thus this is not the gotcha that one thinks it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 04:34 PM |
| 2 | Q4M: Why do guys bristle at the notion of a woman deserving princess treatment?Because it's crass to leverage social legitimacy value explicitly instead of implicitly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 02:52 PM |
| 9 | Q4M: Why do guys bristle at the notion of a woman deserving princess treatment?What do men get out of giving women the princess treatment? Not being accused of being incels (they're classified as simps/cucks instead). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 02:51 PM |
| 2 | Q4M: Would you date a woman who was not romantic at all?Yes. The social legitimacy of her existence (that existence can even be notional, so long as the social legitimacy is there) is more than enough. But then, that kind of mentality (and ulterior motives) is what women despises the most isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/25 04:03 PM |
| 2 | *"Nice Guys"* don't actually exist?I dont really understand the mindset that some people have regarding "nice" people automatically being jerks behind closed doors or something What people [of this subreddit] meant in that is the assumption of ulterior motives: in which people do something [nominally] good because they motivated by what they get out of it, or even just because they're expected to. Since all forms of motivations by default are self serving (in reality, the reason any living creature that is sound of mind does what… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/25 11:05 PM |
| 2 | Q4M: do you pay for your platonic women friends when going out?And the exceptions, the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere, are more desirable and thus higher value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/25 12:18 AM |
| 2 | Q4M: do you pay for your platonic women friends when going out?Because I care about adhering to social norms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/25 12:12 AM |
| -1 | Shaming women for doing the very thing you want them to do"Got my, fuck you, and someone else will take the blame & face the consequences". So long as the existing incentive structure spread out the consequences and concentrate the gains that type of mentality & behavior will continue to flourish. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 11:51 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: do you pay for your platonic women friends when going out?Yes but that's because that's low value male behavior and I'm a low value male. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 05:18 PM |
| 3 | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵Feudal lords sneering at the peasantry while enjoying the fruits of said peasantry's labor, as is tradition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/25 07:36 PM |
| 2 | DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵On the contrary, NEETs generally see themselves as above the wagies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/25 06:13 PM |
| 7 | It's not offensive to ask for dna testIt's offensive as it questions the honor of a woman and shows a lack of faith in her moral character, in all rather disrespectful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/25 11:26 AM |
| 3 | Why Do Unsuccessful Men on this Sub Focus So Much On Women They Don’t Want To Date?Just about everyone [as in normal people within 1 standard deviation] has a story about a seemingly normal relative/friend who goes after criminally (or hoodrat, or whatever, the gist is that those types aren't in polite society) minded types. So it's hardly a case of the trash taking out itself, but that of the trash being a drag on those around them. For the genderflipped version see the [US] military warning boots about marrying the first stripper outside the base but hordes of boots do it al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/25 01:46 PM |
| 3 | People who are unsuccessful at dating should learn to accept it, and be mature enough to not wrongly blame anybody but themselvesHistory didn't end after 1992, and societies certainly has not evolved into a final perfect form in 2025. That societies & cultures might regress into more primitive & oppressive forms is uncomfortable to contemplate but ignoring it doesn't make it disappear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/25 05:18 PM |
| 6 | People who are unsuccessful at dating should learn to accept it, and be mature enough to not wrongly blame anybody but themselvesWell yeah? Major social changes don't come about because of people accepting the status quo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/25 03:58 PM |
| 3 | CMV: age gaps larger than ½ your age +7 should be illegalRaising the age of adulthood without prepping youngsters for the responsibilities & obligations of adulthood will simply produce more newly minted adults unprepared for adulthood. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/25 03:27 PM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as disgusting.Why else would the term be used as an insult then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/25 07:34 PM |
| 2 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as disgusting.Creepy (or insert any other undesirable adjective here) vibes obviously, just like lots of other undesirable male archetypes (NEETs, 4channers, "nice guys", etc.). You know them when you see them, as the old saying goes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/25 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Raising children an unpaid job!The children themselves (and one's caring of them) are the perks, and yes if the couple has fundamentally different outlooks on the value of children (and by extension the purpose of parenthood) then it is likely that said relationship will dissolve. (once again this is mainly a socially middle class outlook) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/25 05:29 PM |
| 1 | Raising children an unpaid job!Of course parenting* is an unpaid job (if not a negative pay job), much in the same way as an expensive hobby is: one does it out of passion and does so as an end in and of itself rather than as a means to an end (which jobs are). *modern parenting [of the socially middle class] anyways, more historical/traditional/lower class/whatever parenting has a lot more compensation (both concrete & more abstract) but requires a mentality very alien [to the socially middle class] | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/25 05:12 PM |
| 8 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as disgusting.Those who do not submit to social norms are a threat to society, either by their intent or their example [to theoretical others]. Society (or rather those who benefit from society) has no incentive to tolerate such threats. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/25 05:07 PM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as disgusting.Neither are things like prior military service, level of education, and many other things, but they can be deduced by one's [outward] displayed traits. Most people tend to be what they are, [metaphorical] chameleons are relatively rare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/25 05:05 PM |
| 8 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as disgusting.The power of social legitimacy/pressure is only as strong as the willingness of those who enforce it and the willingness those who submit to it. Missing one of the two (never mind both) and the whole thing starts to fall apart. To rephrase it even more explicitly: "nice guys" can be shamed back in line (of social norms), based & redpilled real men of the manosphere cannot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/25 05:03 PM |
| 1 | What are you looking for?Nothing, because in the current cultural/social climate desire (in some or all of its forms) is closely associated with entitlement (and ulterior motives of course), and that's not socially acceptable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 08:15 PM |
| 2 | Why are modern woman so keen on "vetting" a man?They don't: since all men are scum by their innate nature to begin with, therefor making vetting a futile endeavor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 04:23 PM |
| 1 | It's impossible for women to "pick better" when it comes to infidelity.I'm sorry that you feel that way. I do not mean to question your integrity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 11:44 AM |
| 3 | It's impossible for women to "pick better" when it comes to infidelity.I thought that it's this subreddit's doctrine to dismiss both personal experiences & celebrity examples as being lacking in proper academic rigor, sample size issues, and being too much deviation from the norm? Or rather, perhaps it's case by case as ideologically convenient? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 11:11 AM |
| – | Would you rather date an extremely hot woman who posts a lot of provocative photos on social media, or a less attractive woman with zero social media presence?Trick question, not to mention that with words being cheap is that what people proclaim they'll do are not necessarily what they'll actually do once coming into contact with reality. With that being said realistically the former (in the sense of someone who's living more in social media than in the physical world) is far out of my league, thus only the latter option is remotely possible (and even then, unlikely). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/25 05:06 PM |
| – | Men Should Stop Dating- Sperm Donation Achieves the Same Goal Without the RisksHumans are not creatures of abstract logic, thus appeals to abstract logic will appeal to few of them. And this, is abstraction on a level with cryptocurrency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/25 04:11 PM |
| 3 | Modern men hate women so unreasonably considering they have literally 0 reason to interact with us if they don't want to.This is what happens when law & social norm abiding males fails to atone for the sins of the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere. Clearly the solution is to double down on shaming & guilt tripping the law & social norm abiding males in order to get back at the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/25 05:50 PM |
| 5 | Women define a 'good guy' by his positive qualities—men define him by a lack of red flagsThere's two major roadblocks involved for most in understanding some of these issues: That many perceive their sense of morality as immutable and internal, rather than externally brought upon by society to perpetuate itself. Continued existence is its own justification, but often retroactively rationalized as a moral justification. That there's two parallel systems in place: the official one that people pay lip service to and the actual one that people interact with in their daily lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/25 01:24 PM |
| 2 | Blue pillers, you are here to wage a spiritual war against purple/red pillersOf course the morally virtuous are in conflict with the immoral, same with the social norm abiding being against the anti social. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/25 01:24 AM |
| 1 | When a man asks, “What do you bring to the table?” I immediately get the ick.The providership that OP mentioned is a social construct, in which the males provide & protect the other members (usually women & children in theory, the interests of the ruling elites in practice: same difference really) and in return is seen by the broader society as upstanding & productive members (and thus not held in suspicion). The breakdown in that in modern cultures/societies of the Euro-Atlantic democracies is that many women don't even want to imbued that social legitimacy to males (he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/25 07:49 PM |
| 18 | Women define a 'good guy' by his positive qualities—men define him by a lack of red flagsDeclaring specific fine tuned definitions doesn't include moral judgement is of limited relevance when the common usage of those terms do carry moral judgement. This is also why the term "incel" is used to carry out moral judgement even though technically the original (and limited) definition doesn't involve moral judgements. Being considered unfit for relationships is considered a moral failing in the social context as societies by their existence requires its component members to fit in, and t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/25 07:44 PM |
| 2 | When a man asks, “What do you bring to the table?” I immediately get the ick.A woman by default brings social legitimacy to the table by her mere presence, but most [based and redpilled] men care little for said social legitimacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/25 06:44 PM |
| 6 | What are subtle red flags you see in other men?It works far enough that just about every woman has a story of such betrayal (or stories of nice guys with ulterior motives, which works on the same principles). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/25 04:19 PM |
| 0 | Anyone over 23 shouldn't be dating 18yr oldsIt wasn't that long ago that [the US] raised the age of tobacco use from 18 to 21 (in line with alcohol, which itself went through a process of being raised also within living memory). So the slope has been slipping for a while now. (other partial examples would be degree inflation and filing children as dependents till the age of 26). Not to mention those men/males are [partially, being part of society] that this state of affairs has evolved to its current state (and will continue to evolve], s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/25 09:53 PM |
| 0 | Anyone over 23 shouldn't be dating 18yr oldsAssuming all other variables adjusted, in a generation (or less) [significant numbers of] people will be debating [in good faith] that the age of majority should be raised to the mid 20 or even early 30s. However, the heart of the problem is that the current system [in the Euro-Atlantic democracies, but especially the USA] doesn't do much to prepare children for the adult world, and keeping on delaying the process thereof (witness the regression of High school and now even colleges in coddling s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/25 02:23 PM |
| 5 | Men who believe AI “girlfriends” can replace real women should be judged"It is not enough for the undesirables to be merely out of sight & out of mind, but that they should suffer for their transgression of existence" might be a internally consistent moral position to take, but don't expect said undesirables to go along with it simply on the reasoning of moral virtues alone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/25 11:27 AM |
| 6 | Is the reason why most men do more than the bare minimum to survive due to the promise or chance of a wife and kids?Most people, at least most males, respond to worldly incentives. That those worldly incentives are considered to be ulterior motives and socially unacceptable doesn't make them disappear. And while there are methods to channel those motivations to more abstract forms, the secular morally virtuous would balk at the necessary requirements. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/25 08:48 PM |
| 1 | Men dont deserve sympathyAll relevant men are scumbags, thus the solution is to shame & guilt trip the irrelevant inoffensive males into atoning for the sins of those real men. That it is impossible is irrelevant to the moral necessity of the doctrine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/25 03:29 PM |
| 1 | Serious question: what are the downsides of marriage?Depends on how committed the marriage is, but in all of them the fundamental issue (which divorce is the byproduct of) is the changes of human nature (both in you & them) and the consequences of that. Marriage is a commitment (even in the most watered down form), and that sucks for people who aren't suited to commit to things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/25 08:37 PM |
| 0 | I dont understand why people get upset about other people's unrealistic standardsBecause often those standards are couched in terms of moral imperatives, and by that implies that the undesirables are also immoral, both on account of who they are as essence that goes deeper than personality and character. And most people don't like to think of themselves as fundamentally immoral in terms of existence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/25 02:41 PM |
| 7 | Unwanted men are criticized whenever they try to passively drop out of the dating marketIt is in society's self interest to keep its members in line, and those who flees society will lead to said society's downfall (especially as they still leaches off of society's collective benefits*). Thus it needs to make an example out of those who go against it, even if it's the protect of quitting. *such as buying into the concept of the rule of law, the additional social norms (for example, high trust of high trust societies), etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/25 09:53 PM |
| 8 | Women who obsess over marriage are pick me girls.[even outside of legal benefits] Marriage carries significant social legitimacy values in many societies & cultures. LGBTQ+ didn't fight for decades for the right to marry on a lark, but to force the wider society to acknowledge that they too are human and thus deserving the legitimacy of partaking in marriage. What that social legitimacy [of a marriage] brings to a relationships is a tempering force to the relevant parties, as it brings a measure of seriousness over other more casual types of r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/25 12:43 PM |
| 12 | Marriage is for the poor,children are for the richThe cost of raising children is more of a reflection of social expectations past a certain material threshold (which is far lower than the standards that the socially middle class holds). The lower class have far less social expectations, and thus have more children than their middle class counterparts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 04:52 PM |
| 8 | How come women dont realize how hard is it for men to get laid ?Why would newly freed former slaves care about the inconveniences of their former slaver masters? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/25 05:52 PM |
| 10 | Both Genders need to realize that Dating is Amoral and Unfair and that no-one is entitled to anything on both sides.Life's unfair, but society (and the masses of individuals comprising society) of the Euro-Atlantic democracies (and some other developed economies) have made it a cause to better the world to be more fair. While the end goal is impossible, it is the struggle that matters, rather than the [distant] goal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/25 11:13 AM |
| 1 | In an ideal world, everybody would have an ideal life and dating experience. But it's just not possible for everybody.China's still a despotic authoritarian country, whatever they're doing are likely to violating human rights by most Euro-Atlantic standards. That being said they are whipping up nationalistic fervor and moralizing fearmongering, among other things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/25 11:09 AM |
| 0 | “Most criminals are raised by single mothers” is just code for “We blame women for the actions of men”.Deadbeat dads are already socially despised at the maximum capacity allowed by current societies (Euro-Atlantic, and American specific context), heck, the name itself denotes how societies sees them. The only thing left to do is to round them up and throw them into labor camps to extract the labor they owed to their children (and society) but said societies are too morally virtuous for that. Of course, there's always the old reliable method of blaming the law & social norm abiding males for the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/25 04:25 PM |
| 1 | Elephant in the room: Taken guys on the dating market are a big problemIt would make sense in small communal/tribal groups in which the lesser males still ends up contributing resources & effort for the good of the entire tribe while acknowledging the privilege of the top male to spread his superior bloodline. Which [by doctrine] never happened in the history of any primate species or anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 08:29 PM |
| 3 | The Market Value metaphor breaks down because products you buy don’t choose you back.Modern studies of economics has been about the study of human nature and its interactions with each other (as well as the environment in which they inhabit), but like any other specialized fields the specific vocabulary makes it dehumanizing (and for the same reasons as well, in that it strips away the mysteries of the world). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 02:59 PM |
| -1 | Women should stop having sex for freeThe unintended effects of that would benefit the worst types of men: The conservatives/reactionaries: Who are against things like free love and casual sex in the first place. The incels: Who now can enjoy the suffering/privations of other men, dragging other down to their levels. There are so many internal factions within the patriarchy that any potential course of action (both on the micro and macro levels) will benefit one faction or another of such. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 02:31 PM |
| 1 | What is a real manA miserable little pile of secrets. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/25 09:50 PM |
| 5 | Men live life on easy modeThe only times that the majority of the males are considered men are when it comes to atoning for the sins of those minority of real men. Thus there is no incentives for anyone to make meaningful changes to deal with those men's advantages. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/25 11:32 AM |
| 2 | Quick question do red pillers actually believe that hot women in 30s with kids can't get hvm to wife them up and even play step daddy?One can get everything they professed to want, and still remain unhappy, because they past life choices and lived experienced have twisted them. That is at least one of the implications that TRP hints at for those who spent their youth promisculy. Since society already acknowledge the difficulties of veterans (even those who never saw combat) in reintegrating back into society it's not that much of a stretch to assume that similarly sudden change of lifestyle choices would have similar issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/25 10:32 AM |
| 1 | Men not getting matches on dating apps makes senseLeveraging social legitimacy (implicitly or otherwise) only works when the underlying social construct is still there. And that really isn't there in the Euro-Atlantic democracies these days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/25 10:27 AM |
| 3 | Do women actually feel this way about men who've been falsley accused?Males who are falsely accused are at least generally guilty of being unpopular (or pissing off someone) at some point in the past, which is a grave sin in society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/25 10:24 AM |
| 3 | In an ideal world, everybody would have an ideal life and dating experience. But it's just not possible for everybody.There are many other possible course of actions to take to deal with those certain people, but the accusation of reinstating slavery is always effective as it give the moral justification of summarily dismissing those certain people and their concerns. And yes, there are more moderate courses of action to deal with the concerns of the discontent of the [particular] male youth, either in the form of furnishing additional opportunities to better themselves, or causes to divert their motivations to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/25 10:53 PM |
| 8 | In an ideal world, everybody would have an ideal life and dating experience. But it's just not possible for everybody.The implication is that society in practice is rather hypocritical on the ideals it supposedly preaches. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/25 07:40 PM |
| 19 | In an ideal world, everybody would have an ideal life and dating experience. But it's just not possible for everybody.Life might not be fair but the modern societies & cultures of the Euro-Atlantic democracies have made it a goal of helping/assisting the less fortunate and making the world more fair for all. Now the trick is to explain to the unpopular people (who have taken up on that offer) that their particular grievances doesn't count and thus they should go pound sand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/25 03:48 PM |
| 0 | Women's advice to men here is to keep them guessing, single, guilt tripped until they're so old they'll get creepshamed anywayWomen will start giving honest advice when men stop reacting with violence at women for speaking the truth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/25 09:30 PM |
| 1 | If you somehow managed to convince women to universally lower their standards you’d just have much more competition and the relationship would be awfulPlenty of males would tolerate an asexual aromantic relationship just for the social legitimacy aspect of being in a relationship and being a provider. That modern culture & society has managed to delegitimatize even that is quite a feat all things considered. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/25 12:12 PM |
| 5 | There is nothing society nor anybody else can do to make any given individual more attractive to another. The answer is in the individual themselves.Society can make grifters less socially acceptable and curbing how far their message can spread, but since the modern euro-atlantic democracies fetishize absolute freedom in the abstract sense the delusion of unrealistic expectations among the population continues... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/25 12:43 PM |
| 1 | Women: Do you hate/despise unattractive incel losers who whine about women's dating standards more than actual abusers, rapists, and violent murderers of women? If so, why?Due to the nature of the distribution of criminally inclined populations, the criminals are doing their crimes elsewhere, but the heinous wickedness of the incels & the ulterior motives of "nice guys" is everywhere. Thus it is logical to hate on the incels & "nice guys" more than the actual criminals, as the former's effects are more relevant than the latter's. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/25 11:25 AM |
| 19 | The resentment for women will grow drastically in years to comeDying in wars is for the law & social norm abiding beta males. Real alpha men will be dodging the draft & be Jody as is their biological/ideological destiny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/25 11:16 PM |
| 4 | Why don't men want to date single moms?Because all else equal the males who are willing to step up are less likely to pass on their genes than the men who don't. Thus natural selection will select against those types of self sacrificing traits in men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/25 08:40 PM |
| – | A violent felon has a greater chance of having a girlfriend while incarcerated, than a autistic man who never hurt a flyIt's the reality out there. It's what people think think and perceive (even if they don't want to drop the masquerade). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 12:31 PM |
| – | A violent felon has a greater chance of having a girlfriend while incarcerated, than a autistic man who never hurt a flyThe women are choosing the criminals over them because it's still the lesser evil of the options available. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 10:55 AM |
| – | A violent felon has a greater chance of having a girlfriend while incarcerated, than a autistic man who never hurt a flyHave the autists in question reflect upon the possibility that the social norms (or rather their bastardized version) themselves are suffocating & oppressive enough that people would rather tolerate criminals over them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 10:32 AM |
| – | Is caring about women seen as weakness (being a simp) or manipulation among men?Since by doctrine genuine moral virtues are wholly independent of worldly results shitting on those who are performing acts of moral virtues will weed out those who with ulterior motives, leaving only the sincere (in theory, in reality it just leaves those who have really deep ulterior motives: hence why [famous] male feminists gets outed as some heinous creep on the regular). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 01:02 AM |
| 4 | Why is it becoming common for people to post fake ai photos of sad lonely older women?There's AI generated jackassary [that no one asked for] for everything under the sun (and some that aren't), ruining everything the touched. Ease of access of the relevant tools meant that any small group or individuals can create an outsized impact to what they could have accomplished otherwise. And of course, make a buck off of someone or something. Think of it as a crackhead firing a shotgun wildly at every direction: a lot of the pellets are hitting nothing but it doesn't take much effort to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 12:58 AM |
| 9 | Q4M: Why are so many of you so convinced that abusers are obvious, blatant, cartoonishly evil people that can be easily spotted?Because generations (or at least the past couple of decades at a minimum) of people have clearly stated how easy it is to spot the ulterior motives of "nice guys", which implies a [societal] base level of competency in weeding out those with ulterior motives. And yes, there's a male version of it too: "The stripper doesn't love you." "Do not marry the first stripper outside the base." "Do not buy the Ford Mustang (or Dodge Charger) at 26% APR." "Marrying that single mother for the BAH is not wor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 08:33 PM |
| – | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”No, to use force against them, which was my original point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 03:46 PM |
| – | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”That's exactly my original point though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 03:45 PM |
| – | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”My point is that they won't listen to reason because they have rejected the fundamentals behind those reasoning already. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 03:34 PM |
| – | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”Generally speaking all those based & redpilled real men of the manosphere who make noises about "the decline" and relate topics, as the implications is that the moral virtues of the modern society are unsustainable because they do not benefit those types of men, and that said men will organize and overthrow such societies and impose [various flavors of] the off oppressive/misogynistic order. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 01:51 PM |
| – | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”[society should] Answer in force [by violence if necessary] to those who threaten force [against said society, because they [those who threaten to upend society] have no [honest] intentions of dialogue or reintegration. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 01:48 PM |
| – | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”Yes your reasoning is based upon the moral virtues as dictated by society but: [threats of violence by those who are effectively outside of society and seek to overthrow said society in which they feel that they are not benefitting from it]. There are times when one needs to acknowledge that there are irreconcilable differences and force is the only comprehensible language left. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 01:40 PM |
| 0 | From an individual standpoint, there´s nothing wrong with the phrase "She´s not yours, it´s just your turn"The problem is that the individual is not apart from society, and society can & should utilize any & all available tactics to keep potential nonconformists in line (and it is in the interest of society to do so). Appeals to normalize lack of accountability to the greater good of society (such as the body of the OP) is in fact a tact acknowledgement of the power of society (and trying to bargain with said society to the detriment of said society). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 01:34 PM |
| 1 | Redpill men, what do you have to offer, what do you bring to the table?They bring their alpha energy, masculinity, and dominance over lesser males. Things you won't get from the law & social provider type males. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 10:24 AM |
| 2 | Everyone has the right to find a dating method repulsive but that’s your problem, not theirsBut if one can get enough people to make enough noises it will become everyone else's problem. That's how activism work (in a civilized society*), and how social changes take place. Your challenge is to make your proclamation stick to enough people, convince them that accepting the status quo & rolling over is in their interest rather than making noises about their causes. *in the absence of one then it's riling up an armed mob large enough, but that's another story for another day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 08:23 PM |
| – | I think a lot of people going forward have to just get over the idea of sex and relationshipsPunching down at the plebs isn't going to hurt the aristocracy (or the screaming barbarians outside the walls, if the analogy needs to go further), but it feels good doing so thus why folks here continue to do so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 02:37 PM |
| 1 | Most men are actually simps.Well clearly they're not simping hard enough since there's still so many single mothers out there unable to secure a suitable platonic male provider of some sort... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 11:44 AM |
| 2 | Q4M: first date, she tells you her birthday is in 2 weeks. How much do you gift her on the spot?The thing about social legitimacy value is that it's not designed to be leveraged in a blatant way like that. And the males that this would work on are the ones you really need to be wary of. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 10:12 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: If men adjusted their standards could this resolve the Successful Woman's Lonliness Epidemic?There's nothing [realistically] LVMs can do to atone for the sins of real men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 05:01 PM |
| 2 | Why is it that every time there is a conversation about a relationship with an age difference, it is automatically assumed that the man is evil?Because the party that makes the first [overt] move is assumed to have some sort of motive, often ulterior, and since males tend to make the first [overt] move in the formation of relationships the assumption will be that they have some sort of ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 02:02 PM |
| 13 | Most men who date a younger woman are not doing it for nefarious reasonsPoint is one isn't going to find much sympathy (or affirmation, or much of anything of that nature) from society for one's transgressions outside of societal norms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 01:47 PM |
| 31 | Most men who date a younger woman are not doing it for nefarious reasonsFor all the talk of accommodating the unconventional individuals, the reality is that there is a prescribed timetable to reach certain milestones, and those that don't are useless for the great glory of society (or the trendsetters who are the voice of the moral majority, same difference). So either get with the program or suffer the consequences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 11:55 AM |
| 3 | Why are men’s standards “normal” but women’s “gold digging”Because the men can afford to, and the rest of the males don't matter (and gets saddled with the sins of those particular men). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 08:27 PM |
| 4 | Will the aging of the population make young women even more valuable and more desirable than now?Theoretically true but practically irrelevant, much like the housing market in the US vis a vis to the younger generations: On paper valued at the high prices they deserve, meanwhile no one [relevant] can afford them, and ending up being bought out by Blackrock/Blackstone continuing the process of turning the countries into one of renters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 12:00 PM |
| 8 | Why are OF models disliked?Significant numbers of people have gambling addiction, which often (though not always) comes with the delusion of beating the odds. That many people are gullible to the point of being easily exploited is not a ridiculous notion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 01:11 AM |
| 2 | Is it true most guys would cheat given the opportunity?Most [relevant] men cheat, the real question is how can the majority of the [irrelevant] males atone for the sins of those real men (because society has no willpower to actually try to hold those relevant men accountable)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/25 10:01 AM |
| 7 | What is meant by “baggage”?Those men who flock towards the redpill (and the rest of the manosphere for that matter) because of their hurt (i.e. baggage and whatnot), in which they even acknowledged it as such (the "rage" phase of the redpill, among other things). Majority of them also harbor no illusions of even entering a traditional relationship (with all its obligations and legitimacies). It's not exactly a gotcha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/25 01:30 AM |
| 7 | Women are largely correct in complaining about the average quality of men as romantic partners.When society and the moral constructs of said society no longer punishes or put relevant disincentives on supposed "immoral" behavior, is it really that surprising that humans (who are worldly when they are in this world) react to worldly incentives? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/25 01:18 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: What do you think about the pushback against "Not all men"?The concept of collective guilt (and punishment) operates on the implicit assumption that the affected group has mechanisms to mete out additional extrajudicial punishments to the actual guilty members via vigilante justice. Modern societies [of the Euro-Atlantic democracies] has deemed that extrajudicial punishments and vigilante justice are no longer socially appropriate, and thus negating much of the power of applying collective guilt as a tool to reform those behaving badly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/25 11:57 AM |
| 5 | Men who don't want to get married should invest in older womenThe males in question aren't even good enough to enter into an asexual aromantic coparent relationship with a single mother from the meth infested trailer parks of Louisiana. What you're suggesting is far out of their league akin to a crackhead becoming a CEO by walking into a corporate building with nothing but a handshake. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/25 11:17 AM |
| 0 | Men always support men but expect women not to support each otherThe simultaneously existence of both white knights and the manosphere (and both hating each other on an existential level) disproves the first half of the premise. Heck, the manosphere itself is an umbrella catch all term in which the various subgroups lumped together tend to hate each other (imagine a graduate of Hustler University and an NEET incel fighting for the same cause, ha!). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/25 05:14 PM |
| 1 | Men are finding out what happens when they bring nothing to the tableOP didn't explicitly specify whether that the anything has to be a good thing (perhaps implicitly specified, but the benefit of the doubt should be given in such cases), thus the men who brings significant negative things are still ahead of the males who brings nothing (positive or negative). But if we're really getting in the weeds of implicit and unspoken assumptions at least all those hoodrats and deadbeats aren't incels (the expanded definition of the term), which is still the far bigger sin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 06:20 PM |
| 3 | Men are finding out what happens when they bring nothing to the tabledeadbeat losers, with no job, or less than stellar employment, no house, no car Those men bring drama & excitement, which apparently is worth more than the average boring male with his average boring job, housing, and personality... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 05:37 PM |
| 1 | If marrying is so dangerous, why do men still marry in 2025? For any PPD married men here: why did you marry?In the absence of everything else: social legitimacy. After all, males of sufficient means don't want to be categorized as one of those hateful incels do they? And marriage is still a major (though not fool proof) way for a male to prove himself as not an incel... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 10:24 AM |
| 3 | If single women hit the wall and become ugly to men at 25-30, so do married womenSince [presumably] you're operating on the assumption of the fabled hyper rational homo economicus, married women, by being married, wield the power of their social legitimacy, and that's usually enough to keep the provide type males in line. That based & redpilled real men of the manosphere no longer desire them sexually (and thus [in theory] no longer prey upon them out in public) is a perk rather than a flaw. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/25 11:48 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Matchmakers should stop turning away women clientsSounds like a failure of the market, clearly government* subsidizing** is the answer as the private sector refuse to meet the demand. *but this is totally different from incels demanding government intervention in the market, because reasons that is obvious to all. **because surely few here would support government demanding the private sector to continue unprofitable ventures at the latter's deficit (and it is unprofitable, as lack of success with existing clients reflects badly on the business… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/25 10:57 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: Does "Whoever invites you out for the date should pay" make things equal?Like certain other topics, the fundamental flaw of the premise is the assumption that equalization of the "hard" variables are sufficient when the existence of "soft" variables (and them not being adjusted) means that it gives the impression that the plan put forward is not done in good faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/25 05:05 PM |
| 2 | Men should stop lying about having low standardsSo the question is how can the innocent atone for the crimes of the guilty, because the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere certainly aren't going to listen to the pleading of the law & social norm abiding males. And I'm guessing mob/extrajudicial justice is also out of the question as that's against the current social norm & morality codes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 03:27 PM |
| 2 | Is it fair to criticize men for consuming porn when most women don't want them?undesirable males consuming porn will radicalize them into becoming misogynists and thus leading to the moral decay of society. Of course women would be against that on simple moral principles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 11:04 AM |
| 1 | There is no point in telling women theyre not entitled to safety.Most civilizations in most of history had some form of slavery (chattel slavery, various forms of serfdom, indentured servitude, modern wage slavery, etc.) and for most of those periods even acknowledged them as some form of evil (and yet still continuing said practices). It is, in fact, some form of "economic investment proposition", whether in the form of direct competition or force of arms, rather than moral virtues alone, which curbed the worst excesses of slavery. This current balance is no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/25 11:37 PM |
| 3 | There is no point in telling women theyre not entitled to safety.Well, that brief period of time has been the better part of 2 generations, and the modern state is large & abstract enough that it does give the illusion of something that's not part of human construction and outside of human influence. Therefore it is unsurprising that many people [currently living] cannot comprehend the cause and effect of partaking in the social construct, and thinks that the benefits of the state/community is something that is just generated out of the void. They have little… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/25 12:11 PM |
| 4 | There is no point in telling women theyre not entitled to safety.The same could be said for taxes and [the implications of] certain monotheism religions. The point is exactly that most systems that perpetuate themselves are some flavor of immoral from a modern "genuine moral virtues being wholly independent of worldly results" perspective, but those systems are very good at perpetuating themselves, and said perpetuation is its own justification. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/25 12:37 AM |
| 2 | “just respect women and maybe you will date one” is poor dating advice because it perpetuates an “action-reward” that directly ties to dehumanizing and removing agencyGenuine moral virtues wholly independent of worldly results is a theoretical ideal that tends to not work in reality due to humans being creatures of this world (and thus responds to worldly incentive/disincentives). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/25 12:24 AM |
| 1 | There is no point in telling women theyre not entitled to safety.Moving on from the surface aspects of the debating points from both sides (which tend to be emotional and easily taken out of context), the fundamental issue being raised is that of women's social legitimacy value, and the source of where that's derived from. Generally speaking, most cultures/communities/civilizations operate on some form of transactions between its component members, in which the individuals within are expected to fulfill certain obligations, and in return receive certain benef… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/25 12:22 AM |
| 2 | Men are menCounterpoint: The existence of established social norms themselves, either it implies that: that the nature of males is not that depraved or that the depraved nature of males can be restrained, to an extent that it's effectively not their nature anymore People have been living in civilization for so long that most have forgotten that those are not imposed upon from the outside, but build up from within. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/25 12:59 PM |
| 2 | Men need to accept that dating may not be on the cards for themIt is deeply with the human experience to not give up even in the face of impossible, simply because those who had give up cease to pass on either their genes or their thoughts. Thus everyone [of any statistical significance] of today are the descendants of those who had not give up in the past. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/25 10:14 AM |
| 1 | Todays world is perfect for menFor the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere perhaps, but for the law & social norm abiding males most of the previous existing social norms still applies to them (if not even more so than before because they are also on the hook for all the sins committed by those same based & redpilled real men of the manosphere). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/25 10:49 AM |
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