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| 0 | As a feminist ... | discussion | MasterpieceNew7000 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 06:41 AM |
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| 1 | Is femicide an unfair term?You discount "personal choice" yet men joining professions with high mortality rates is also "personal choice"? Are men forced into professions with high mortality rates by the culture at large? Then are women not forced into lower paying professions by the culture at large, and forced into sacrificing their career growth for family more than men are, etc etc all "personal" and yet all culturally motivated which leads to the 70c per dollar statistic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/25 12:08 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Are you saying DV programs not spearheaded by feminists are more equal? https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/PNmDgnItDM | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 11:18 PM |
| 1 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsWe're not talking about your paper. I am simply saying that Feminism much of the time actively discourages masculinity studies. Is not true. And There’s a reason it’s still an emerging study and gets men laughed out of discussions on gender. is not because of feminism | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 10:39 PM |
| 1 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsWe don’t know what a male-devised and nurtured field of masculinity studies would look like when thoroughly constructed, because feminism hasn’t permitted for that to happen. True, but what's the argument here? That without the feminist movement we would have created masculinity studies in a vacuum? I view the two options as either no feminism and no masculinity studies or feminism with flawed masculinity studies. I think it's fair to call out the flaws. I think it's even fair to say some of the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 10:08 PM |
| 1 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsNo that wasn't my argument. My argument is that we are even talking about gender in this way, within higher education, as an area of study, is because of feminism. If you say is "universities should study masculinity, examine what it is, and how it influences men" and divorce it from women's studies and the feminist movement, I would say "this work is building on top of feminism normalizing masculinity studies as a whole but just recognizing the flaws of viewing masculinity only through the femi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 09:17 PM |
| 1 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender Politicsall I said was "if you want to do something you should" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 08:53 PM |
| 1 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsI also didn't say that. I said feminism and masculinity studies are not in conflict I said feminism actually supports masculinity studies I said if men want to take up the narrative on masculinity studies they should | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 08:42 PM |
| 1 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsWho said that? Now you're just putting words in my mouth. Women didn't invent the concept, they "pushed it more mainstream" and invented "masculinity studies" as a topic of study and research within universities | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 08:38 PM |
| -3 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsMen can now talk about men because feminism pushed masculinity studies more mainstream. Is masculinity studies perfect? No. But you can't discredit the history of where it came from to now claim feminism is against it | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 08:28 PM |
| -5 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsMasculinity is examined in a whole section of feminist literature ... it developed out of women's studies because people realized you can't talk about one gender without the other, so of course it's less developed, masculinity studies as a concept came from feminist literature. We only study men because the women studying women ALSO WANTED TO STUDY MEN. Feminism is so so so far from discouraging masculinity studies, I would argue feminist literature is the only space where it's encouraged! Why d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 08:10 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...LOL they legally can't open bank accounts but they're not forced to not work, what am I listening to By that logic men are not forced into war because you can be a conscientious objector. You don't have to go to war if you don't want to, so the only men going actually want to, so in fact it's a PRIVILEGE | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 07:41 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Does the manly stereotype come from feminism or from the patriarchy? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 06:30 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Genuinely, the issues are important, I just think feminism is not as widespread as you imagine it to be and men's suffering is mainly downplayed by people who aren't feminist. I'll give an example. All the men in my life have said that the male loneliness epidemic is not real, and it's actually just feminism bashing men. Feminists hate men because they think men are lonely. So now I think "wow all these men don't believe in the male loneliness epidemic" but feminism would have me believing that … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 05:45 PM |
| 1 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsHmm, I guess the framing usually is that "men don't have close friends because (there are societal, cultural, structural forces that mean) there's a lack of intimacy in male friendships" Would you say that's true or how would you understand the male loneliness epidemic | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 05:08 PM |
| 0 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsYea it's genuinely what men in my life have told me is that men don't tend to open up to each other but also they just desire different things in friendships. So I'm trying this whole "you should just ask men what their problems are and believe them" approach, I think it's somewhat flawed. They've framed it as "male loneliness epidemic" is a feminist view of what male friendships should be, and women imposing their view of female friendships onto male friendships (and male friendships are fine a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 04:58 PM |
| 2 | Latvia prepares for mandatory conscription of womenYea, feminists would agree, or they would say "women shouldn't be conscripted but also men shouldn't be conscripted". Funny how I see both opinions here, and then you continue to bash feminism Let me ask, is it the more feminist party that's in power right now in Latvia Edit: yea the progressives which are generally feminist are in power. Oh, and male only conscription was added two years ago when the conservative parties, that generally support "traditional family values" which I would consider… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 04:49 PM |
| 2 | Latvia prepares for mandatory conscription of womenCanada doesn't have conscription for anyone and it's all volunteer. Honestly the best system | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 04:26 PM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...You say "women are reflected in the statistics". The reality is marital rape was legally not considered rape for a long time. If you believe that DV happens to everyone, this is an example of feminism advocacy that benefited both genders. The cultural norms have changed to the point where now we can say "domestic abuse also affects men" rather than "domestic abuse is a private issue that shouldn't be resolved in the courts" and I think that's really powerful. It was under the cultural context of… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 04:09 PM |
| -9 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsFeminism is the prevailing movement fighting for gender equality | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 02:39 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Some preliminary thoughts It does seem like it affects primarily women, so why shouldn't it be a gendered term? Unless we think the rates of violence are actually equal? Supporting male victims of crimes considered violence against women and girls is a funny title for sure, but it is also an entire document on ... how to support men and male victims. Does that not say that we are moving in the right direction and men are being supported? Duluth model is criticized within feminism as well, I'm no… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 06:58 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Ok let's take this example https://taidajournal.tumblr.com/post/733938785643118592/misogyny-and-masculinity-the-true-cause-of-toxic I would say we need to address misogyny in order to address toxic masculinity | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 06:10 AM |
| -2 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsLink? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 05:21 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I keep saying, I do believe that men face systemic problems. I wouldn't be on this sub if I didn't. I wouldn't be here trying to understand how you all think if I didn't care about men's issues. I'll try one last time, sorry if this has been a disappointment. The feminist definition of misogyny is systemic sexism that happens under a patriarchy, regardless of who is harmed You might define misogyny as anything that systemically disadvantages or harms women, regardless of the cultural context or … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 05:19 AM |
| -13 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsLOL speaking as a feminist, we don't believe "men don't have problems" and the male loneliness epidemic is mentioned quite a bit in feminist spaces | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 04:34 AM |
| -2 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsI think with the right message this issue can be brought to the mainstream. Well, it already is in the mainstream, in the feminist circles I frequent. It's so mainstream that people are tired of talking about it. I'm actually surprised at the reaction you're getting. But it truly might be the case that if men in positions of privilege don't view it as an issue, can we bring about change? Anyway, seeing as it's a men's issue, I do think that male advocates should take the lead on this simply beca… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 03:32 AM |
| 19 | Some Examples of Toxic FemininityI would argue that all femininity is toxic, (and all masculinity is toxic) because as a society, if we define an "ideal woman" and an "ideal man" it is inevitable that some people will internalize the wrong message and act in a toxic way. Gender norms are inherently toxic, people should be allowed to do what they want without being concerned about their gender | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 03:11 AM |
| -12 | The Male Loneliness Epidemic: A Philosophical Rebuke of Bad-Faith Gender PoliticsSorry if I am making men's issues about women haha. I'll just throw in a little defence for this disdain of male loneliness epidemic When I bring up the male loneliness epidemic all the men in my life have told me that male loneliness epidemic was not real, that they have friends, so it's fine. And then they turn around and tell me that the thing that men actually want is a romantic partner, as though a singular woman was supposed to fix the problems of a broken society. But then I read so much … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 03:04 AM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...LOL yea. Cuz I was curious about the feminists take on this holy shit | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 02:32 AM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...and you would be wrong I'm saying it's a definition difference. Why do we care to argue about definitions? Under the feminists definition of misogyny and misandry, in a patriarchy we will only see systemic misogyny and in a matriarchy, only systemic misandry, anything that is sexism in a patriarchy can be labeled as misogynistic Under your definition of misogyny and misandry, you look at which group is systemically harmed regardless of the cultural context of patriarchy or matriarchy, so women b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 01:06 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Ok, yea let me flesh out this hypothetical world more. Women hold most positions of power. And the justification is that "women are better than men, therefore also better at war, so we must protect the weak men from fighting". On the one hand, they make this justification because their entire worldview is based on female supremacy. On the other hand, these women recognize that it's not desirable to go to the front lines and risk dying. So they give economic incentives for signing up. The rich wo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/25 12:03 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...What do you mean? This is men compared to women, it can still be the poor women who primarily go to war, but under their matriarchal society I would still label it as misandrist | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 11:49 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...The way misandry is currently understood in feminism, I would say that people individually can be misandrist but systematic misandry doesn't exist under a patriarchy. Hmm I don't know if this will make sense. Let's say you live under a matriarchy. Women hold most of the power most of the time. To justify that fact, they say things like "men are worse at politics, law making, running business," anything that gives women power should stay primarily female because women are superior. But in making … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 11:43 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...If you think labeling something misogyny means ignoring men's issues I don't know what to tell you. You're working under a different definition of misogyny than I am, misogyny includes men's issues. Also what's your issue with performative men, I'm curious. What is toxic about it? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 11:39 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...We agree on so much we just can't agree on the terms hahaha Take male victims of rape. The assumption that femininity is inferior, weaker, and so on is why we as a society exclude male victims from the narrative. You said it yourself. "Because you're physically stronger, why are you a victim?" And I would say it's not that masculinity is devalued. It's that being a victim makes you un-masculine, so you are devalued. This might sound like semantic arguing, but I think it highlights that the root … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 08:08 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...The way misandry is currently understood in feminism, I would say that people individually can be misandrist but systematic misandry doesn't exist under a patriarchy. Hmm I don't know if this will make sense. Let's say you live under a matriarchy. Women hold most of the power most of the time. To justify that fact, they say things like "men are worse at politics, law making, running business," anything that gives women power should stay primarily female because women are superior. But in making … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 07:33 PM |
| 2 | As a feminist ...Can you provide links for these claims? Genuinely it's not possible for me to talk about this if I have no idea what you're referring to | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 05:43 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Again, link? Here's one with gender equality as the desired end goal https://www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/201107/20110720ATT24572/20110720ATT24572EN.pdf | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 05:12 PM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...I'd like to see a source for FGM in Mormonism, I can't find evidence of it Ok sure, then let it be perjury. But my point is that it's not unique to rape as a crime, but rather crime in general, false accusations in general, and to me there's no reason for rape to be this special category of crime | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 05:06 PM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...Are you here just to hate women God damn | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 04:38 PM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...Try not to view "misogyny" and "misandry" as just "this harms women" or "this harms men". If this more or less sums up what your current definitions of what misogyny and misandry are, it's very different from the feminist definition of misogyny and misandry I'm trying to explain that the feminist understanding of misogyny does not actually exclude the "men dying in war" part of the equation, it is included within the very idea of misogyny It's not that we don't address it, we do understand war i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 04:37 PM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...I appreciate the effort, I agree with everything you wrote But honestly, some people don't think patriarchy exists. They define misandry as any harm to men, which leads down the interesting rabbit hole where patriarchy sometimes results in systemic misandry? At least to the people where patriarchy is a real thing. As part of this definitions clusterfuck this also means toxic masculinity is an example of systemic misandry because it's gender norms that harm men. As an aside, they also think toxic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 11:00 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I would say that is also misogyny. On the range of most misogynistic to least misogynistic... Father only custody < tender years < what we have now I'd say society is trending in the right direction | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 10:55 AM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...Ok, banning MGM would have resulted in a lot more backlash because people actually do it as a religious practice, don't frame it as "why didn't they also ban MGM at the same time as FGM" when no religion in the US practices FGM. How is it never enough for you guys. Feminism is against something that most of the US population doesn't even think is an issue, and somehow you still manage to rant about how feminists aren't doing enough. Get a grip. Also yea, no. False accusations of any crime is not… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 10:47 AM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...And finally, I'll argue that the draft sees a similar phenomenon, where the ideas that support it come from a place where women are viewed as less than, since they are weaker. I am NOT saying that the harm is done primarily to women. What is true is that "women are weaker/incapable" as an ideology was used to justify a male only draft, and it was then written into the law. This ideology of women being weaker is prejudiced against women. BUT the law itself DOES HARM TO MEN. Does that make sense? … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 10:07 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I would say that misandry can hurt women theoretically, but as I understand the terms, we just don't see that happening in society currently. I would also say that within the framework of misogyny, some women can have more power than some men I think the definition of misogyny has drifted a bit from purely hating women. Feminists understand it's "hating women" at its core, but misogyny manifests in a variety of ways, and interacts with gender, societal expectations, socioeconomic class, in diffe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 09:28 AM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...Wait ok so we agree that we live in a patriarchy, and we agree that patriarchy also hurts men, but we can't agree that misogyny hurts men? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 07:48 AM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...I love that we're talking about MGM, this conversation exists within feminism and feminism agrees with you. In fact, feminists have been calling circumcision MGM, to match FGM. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/vhCBYuamTY So if it is not feminism that is downplaying MGM, and it's coming from some other force in society, a feminist might indeed tell you that it's "the patriarchy". I think people get more defensive about people who lie about rape, because you don't know if they lied before t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 07:03 AM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...I mean you also didn't engage with any of my questions You and I just have very different definitions of what counts as misogyny. If you choose to understand misogyny as only hating women without including the downstream effects of hating women you can. The way I see it, If you hate women/think they're inferior and sometimes men are harmed by this worldview: this is men being harmed by misogyny. If you hate men and hurt men: misandry hurting men Why is it hard to understand that men are also har… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 06:37 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I think that's a great critique of the men's rights movement and also the feminist movement Black men face challenges unique to being black and a man, that people who experience only blackness or just maleness don't, and we should all strive to understand that. The feminist movement had a similar revelation, during second wave feminism, where it was black women demanding the (at the time mostly) white women acknowledge the issues unique to black women. I hope the same can be done for black men, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 06:06 AM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...Systemic sexism in a patriarchal society is almost always rooted in misogyny. That's it. That's all. It's true that the draft primarily impacts men. Saying it's misogyny isn't taking away from that. To me, by saying misogyny is the root cause, this points the way to a solution. How do we stop an unequal draft? Stop viewing women as weaker and needing protection. Challenge the notion that women are unfit for the military. Demand for women to be viewed as equal to men in all aspects, including the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 05:36 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Is this even feminist? Toxic masculinity was originally coined by men, does not demonize men except when used incorrectly, and does not glorify patriarchal men. What gives you this idea Male exploitation is obviously not male privilege, if that's how some people understand "the draft stems from misogynistic ideology" then they've really misunderstood what stemming from misogyny means. To me it makes clear that viewing women as inferior is the root cause, and points the way to a solution. How do … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 05:19 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Link? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 02:52 AM |
| 1 | "Positive masculinity" does not help modern men.If a mainstream news outlet publishes this, is that mainstream enough? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 01:19 AM |
| 3 | "Positive masculinity" does not help modern men.https://web.archive.org/web/20241008133140/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/opinion/positive-masculinity.html | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 01:18 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...They are not open to bigotry and hate, but they don't call it out because it's not prevalent in the feminist movement. When it is prevalent, like with TERFs, they call it out | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 01:14 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...If it wasn't a big political movement it just wouldn't be relevant to talk about | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 12:30 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...No cuz people online don't label themselves as a "misandrist" but there's a group of people online who label themselves "TERFs" When a group called feminists for misandry becomes as politically relevant as TERFs I do expect people to reject it | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 12:21 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Idk, we're all just here. Does there have to be a why to it. Have a great day | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 12:19 AM |
| 2 | As a feminist ...Who are you? Are you here just to hate? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 12:03 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...You said "any negative reaction" bro, people were plenty negative, just not as negative as towards TERFs | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 12:02 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Aren't TERFs misandrist | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/25 12:00 AM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...Oh somehow I missed this comment. I agree with your view of toxic femininity. And agreed on the cleaning haha. I mean I think it comes from people judging women more harshly on cleanliness but yea. I think we need to add a bit extra to this view of internalized misogyny though. It's that women feel less than for being a woman because of misogyny, right? Just self-esteem, or thinking you're not smart, or whatever, is not enough, the root cause has to be misogyny. But I do think girl math comes fr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 11:59 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Uhh because it was feminists supporting the draft and feminists rejecting toxic masculinity = all masculinity is toxic, what is your point here | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 11:46 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/FcOAbkiW4O https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/GhiV54fC9j https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/0KrbDHmLMb | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 11:31 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ..."feminist spaces rejecting misandry" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 11:22 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I'll look into it. Not sure if this will resonate https://ontheissuesmagazine.com/2010summer/equally-expendable-looking-at-men-and-war-through-a-feminist-paradigm/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 11:07 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Oh, I think it's an excuse because I personally believe that women don't need that much protection, I didn't mean it like they don't actually believe what they say. Like maybe Ted Cruz specifically also doesn't believe what he's saying, but if he's voicing it surely he expects it to get him votes. If this type of message is "palatable" and resonates with voters, why can't we say that "this is what people believe generally" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 10:57 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...No, ok, are you trying to understand what I'm saying or are you just trying to respond with an angry comment I am quoting a politician voicing misogynistic view points and supporting the draft to show that the draft comes from misogynistic thinking. When has a politician said "I want a male only draft because men are more expendable"? People always use the excuse of "protect our daughters" (the weaker sex) and they don't say "men don't matter". If you can show me evidence then I'll change my min… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 10:46 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...Yea, so I think generally feminists agree that men experience systemic issues even under the patriarchy and that people hold sexist views against both women and men. We agree that strict gender norms harm the men who internalize that and act hyper masculine. And if that's all you mean by misandry, congrats, you think like a feminist but you're just using different labels. I think where it breaks down is how we choose to label things as misogyny or misandry. To feminists, anything that stems from… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 10:33 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Yea, it's pretty isolating, I think you shouldn't self sabotage, generally. If you're human you already deserve love, compassion, etc (erhm maybe excluding Hitler idk but like generally) You can't help others if you don't take care of yourself first, you know those airplane warnings? Always have your own oxygen mask on first | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 10:19 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I don't get it, we agree on like, 90% of what you said, and then somehow that's framed as being polar opposites Americans benefit from a capitalist system AND it's the capitalists within America that benefit especially AND some Americans are hurt under capitalism Men benefit under a patriarchy but it's the men at the top / in power that benefit especially and some men are hurt under patriarchy Up to this point we're in agreement. I think we just disagree on the definition of misandry and misogyn… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 10:13 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I'm not sure what you're asking here, what is a man that fits the feminist model vs one that doesn't? I think people get flustered around misandry because it's not a term people use in feminist circles. What I see being defined as misandry here is how most feminists would define "patriarchy hurting men" or "gender essentialism" or "toxic masculinity", and if you talk to a feminist with these terms you will probably get a much better time. I'm trying to highlight that if you unwrap what these ter… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 09:47 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Here's one that's not a law, but feminists generally understand what toxic masculinity means (and it's not a way to disparage masculinity in general) https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/VPSgawb59J | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 09:20 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/T8D3URK4HH | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 09:19 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I think it's a term that people throw around without really understanding why feminists don't believe in it, and then not understanding the reaction either | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 09:08 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...If you're doing all this, what about also practicing compassion, empathy, self-love (and self-care) Have you heard the phrase "joy is resistance" https://aestheticsofjoy.com/joy-is-an-act-of-resistance-how-celebration-sustains-activism-2/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 09:01 PM |
| -3 | As a feminist ...Can I get a definition | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 08:36 PM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...How do you define misandry | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 08:28 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Wait that's fucked up, you should seek treatment | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 08:21 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...On neurodivergence: ADHD in men is much more widely accepted and diagnosed than ADHD in women because people exhibit the symptoms differently by gender, and we used to only understand the symptoms stereotypical of men Obviously not the fault of the person getting diagnosed, it's a problem with... How medical students are trained to diagnose, it's a problem with the research that is done into ADHD to begin with, it's a problem with the systems we currently have to understand disease. That's why i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 08:06 PM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...Oh, I was responding to the "toxic masculinity vs internalized misogyny" idea, which I actually think doesn't work well when applied to the abuser. Toxic masculinity and internalized misogyny both work to de-legitimize victims of abuse into thinking they weren't abused or it wasn't that bad, which in turn protects the abuser. To be honest I don't have a strong opinion on Amber Heard, scrolling through the main theme seems to be people complaining that the media will point to one high profile cas… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 07:52 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I actually don't think any of what you said is in conflict with feminist theory, so let me try to say what I think you're saying but with more feminist wording, and maybe we will get somewhere in the end. Society pushes men to compete for positions of power while also telling women it's not feminine to be competitive. A patriarchal society simply means women are excluded from power, not that being a man automatically gives you power. In fact many patriarchal societies only see the men at the ver… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 07:11 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Can you explain what you mean when you say misandry? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 06:46 PM |
| 2 | As a feminist ...Yea this was a very positive interaction thank you | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 06:38 PM |
| 3 | As a feminist ...Yea that's a fair criticism. I think that is less defensible, maybe a historic holdover for when this was not the case, but as the numbers change we should start to remove that I actually think there are a number of societal benefits from more gender diversity: men in teaching might act as a role model for young boys, men in nursing might be more strong physically and can help lift patients when it's needed, women in engineering might lead to projects that also include women in the design proces… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 06:29 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I disagree, just look at what automating manufacturing has done (about nothing to change gender norms) I actually really believe in social movements But idk, seems like we will have AI in everything soon, I guess we can see what happens | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 05:42 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Yea, I think the politicians are saying things they don't actually believe, but people get bamboozled into believing it for real. This type of rhetoric sounds superficially positive to women, but I'm saying right here that most feminists reject it | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 05:32 PM |
| 2 | As a feminist ...Hmm I think I would agree if the scholarships are for fields where women already dominate, like nursing. Isn't it usually women in engineering or another field where women are under represented? I'm curious how you feel about men in teaching, or men in HEAL type of initiatives, and if you think men falling behind in college enrollments means we should have something like DEI in this case. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 05:29 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...Systemic means these beliefs are baked into society, on the level of laws, or how laws are enforced. For example marital rape was not considered rape, or gay marriage was not legalized, these are examples where biases become "systemic". There're more nebulous ideas around "institutional bias" where it's not a law necessarily that is biased, but institutions that act in predictably biased ways. I think there's use for the idea of systemic, in a way that doesn't invalidate the lived experience of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 05:24 PM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...Ok I still think it's a different understanding of what it takes to label something as misogyny or misandry If someone hates the feminine/thinks women are less than/supports traditional gender values that normalize men as holding power BUT because of that worldview some men are harmed: misogyny hurting men If you just straight up hate men and also harm men: misandry hurting men And correct me if I'm wrong, but you would just label both as misandry because of the "harm to men" part, regardless of… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 04:48 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Ok I think it's a different understanding of what it takes to label something as misogyny or misandry If someone hates the feminine/thinks women are less than/supports traditional gender values that normalize men as holding power BUT because of that worldview some men are harmed: misogyny hurting men If you just straight up hate men and also harm men: misandry hurting men And correct me if I'm wrong, but you would just label both as misandry | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 04:44 PM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...Feminists recognize that men are systemically harmed under patriarchy | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 04:35 PM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...I think it does matter what they mean. Or you could choose to not understand it and then get mad at what feminists are saying. How is it dehumanizing? How does it reinforce traditional gender norms? To point out that those norms exist? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 04:34 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...Wait, read what I wrote again, feminists agree that the issues are systemic. They would still not label it as misandry | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 04:28 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Men aren't free to wear dresses if they want to but women are free to wear pants, this isn't always about war | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 04:25 PM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...I think first off, that's terrible what you went through and hopefully things are better now. If I could give my feminist take, usually I see something like "abuse is about power/control" which patriarchy normalizes as men having over women (obviously bad for women), but this also means women are the stereotyped victim, and men who are abused face unique stigmas for being recognized. This usually means downplaying the role of victim, which is not seen as "male" so not something men can or should… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 04:07 PM |
| 0 | As a feminist ..."If society sees women as less than, why not also more expendable for war" ... because that's just not the way it happens, clearly. But that doesn't mean "society sees women as less than" is a false statement it just means that in the context of war it happens to protect women from the draft, but the same line of thinking harms women in a different context. Because it comes from viewing women as less than, not capable, etc etc and therefore men ought to be chivalrous, protective, paternalistic e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 03:47 PM |
| -4 | As a feminist ...There are two very different ideas of how to label things. A feminist might say that if we live in a patriarchal society, if in general society is misogynistic, if it's misogynistic thinking that leads to the instances where men are harmed in such a society, then that is described as misogyny harming men. But I think the definition that is largely being used here is that "so long as it harms men, you can label it as misandry, regardless of why / the societal values / the general culture" I AM NO… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 03:21 PM |
| -5 | As a feminist ...There are two very different ideas of how to label things. A feminist might say that if we live in a patriarchal society, if in general society is misogynistic, if it's misogynistic thinking that leads to the instances where men are harmed in such a society, then that is described as misogyny harming men. But I think the definition that is largely being used here is that "so long as it harms men, you can label it as misandry, regardless of why / the societal values / the general culture" I AM NO… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 03:18 PM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...That's just dishonest framing | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 03:01 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...Ok the way I'm being downvoted is like... Not helping your point People here seem allergic to feminism, is it a surprise when feminists respond to that | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 09:56 AM |
| 3 | "Positive masculinity" does not help modern men.If you go feminist enough, there is pushback against "positive masculinity" as well: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/opinion/positive-masculinity.html | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 08:06 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Question: do I do like a follow up post or do I just make an edit to this one | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 05:37 AM |
| -6 | As a feminist ...Uhhh ok whatever you believe, but as a woman I would rather we not get this privilege, thanks | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 04:42 AM |
| -6 | As a feminist ...fighting for paternity leave (FMLA) fighting gender norms normalizing men as equal parents means men can also participate in the joy of parenthood normalizing women as equal providers means less burden is placed on men to be the sole providers I think this is a terrible question though. What are MRAs doing for women? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 04:26 AM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...Whoa did you think I meant literally eating their young? Do a little bit of googling, it's a real phenomenon | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 03:52 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...If we accept that the pay gap exists because people make different choices then should we not also accept that occupational deaths are a result of ... people making different choices on whether to work dangerous jobs? I think if one is a systemic problem that we must solve then so is the other. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 03:06 AM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...The necessary condition is wealth/power AND maleness, unless it's a society where equally wealthy women have multiple husbands. We usually don't see that play out though "Though for some reason men are more restricted by gender norms" ... I think it's because of misogyny telling (all of us but including) men that being feminine is bad, it's shameful to be feminine if you're a man, etc etc | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 02:11 AM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...Oh, yes, of course, my bad Are people who say "the draft mainly affects men" also sexist bigots | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 02:07 AM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...LOL this is top tier rage bait I can guarantee most feminists don't think like that Have you been on r/twoxchromosomes yourself instead of just seeing the worst offenders | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 01:58 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...what's your world view | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 01:51 AM |
| 0 | As a feminist ...Link? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 01:50 AM |
| -5 | As a feminist ...why not call the draft "inequality" instead of "male oppression" LOL Patriarchy is gendered because the oppression is gendered | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 01:48 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Not so, here's one by parenting time https://www.custodyxchange.com/topics/research/dads-custody-time-by-state.php Also it shouldn't be a surprise that if women do most of the childrearing then they also get most of the custody (I do think both are bad and a consequence of ... misogyny) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 01:38 AM |
| -3 | As a feminist ...Let's not forget who was for and who was against this. Are we saying the republicans are the party of feminists, or maybe feminists do actually believe in equality https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4730560-senate-democrats-require-women-draft/ Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) accused the Biden administration of trying to implement a woke agenda at the Pentagon. Wicker, the top-ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said he’ll try to strip it out of the bill | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 01:16 AM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...When increasing the proportion of female judges in a district decreases the sex disparity of sentencing, when it's people who use misogynistic arguments to keep a men only draft, when it is misogynistic thinking that led to women getting custody most of the time (and more liberal courts no longer have this bias!) then does it make sense to say that this is a problem with misogyny, even though it primarily impacts men, or does it make sense to call it misandry? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 01:08 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...I do think gender norms have relaxed since previously. If you don't think it's feminism that did it then do you think the social expectations for men will be relaxed without similar structural changes, or do you believe MRA can bring about a change for men | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 12:33 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Men don't get custody because they often don't fight for it. They do get custody (or at least 50/50 which is equal and desirable) when they... actually file for custody. Also, way to minimize women's rates of domestic violence, gender wage gap, motherhood penalty, etc. It's just not true that men are the victims of society on the whole, but I agree that where there IS disparate impact we should look to address that | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 12:16 AM |
| 2 | As a feminist ...I think that's a fair criticism of the term itself. I'll half-heartedly argue that it was always supposed to be an academic term that is being used way more widely than its intended audience, but yea I think this phenomenon of "masculinity hurting the men who enact it" probably needs another word | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 12:07 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Ok, I think after debating a whole bunch of people I think I'm actually starting to understand the disconnect, please don't be so aggressive about this lol I'll write up some thoughts on this later, but yea I'll agree on this comes down to believing in strict gender norms and upholding patriarchy as the root issues | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/25 12:02 AM |
| -3 | As a feminist ...I do think cutting male genitals is wrong, and if you look at the religion that promotes this, it's a religion that has often been used to subjugate women and girls. So I'm saying "this is the result of a misogynistic religion", which is why I consider it misogynistic, you're saying "but it affects men" so it's misandry. Either way, isn't the root of the issue the religion though? Maybe we should just say only men are conscripted as a result of strict gender norms and just leave it at that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 11:57 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...Oh, interesting. I didn't think anyone actually believed the "we must protect the women in the bathrooms" talk. I always viewed it as just fake rhetoric to give people an excuse to hate on trans women. Genuinely, that kind of stuff stems from misogyny, you'll find a lot of feminists who don't agree with that talking point. There's a reason this kind of fear mongering of "bathrooms being invaded" is so much more prevalent on the right, which values more traditional gender norms, than on the left | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 11:43 PM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...The issue with "internalized misogyny" vs "internalized misandry" is that we live in a patriarchal society. I think we should highlight that the issues are mainly stemming from the idea that masculinity is superior to femininity, and internalized misogyny does that. Notice I said the IDEA of the masculine being superior, and not "men as a whole are culpable" or "women cannot also hold this view". Anyway, I don't really like the term internalized misandry, I think it misses the point on the WHY o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 11:20 PM |
| 3 | As a feminist ...I actually really agree with this take. I think the main problems we see today is that women have been told it's OK for them to act in a stereotypically masculine way, while men have not been told that it's OK to act in a stereotypically feminine way. Without breaking down those barriers, simply redefining what is or isn't "the correct masculine" behavior will not solve this issue. I don't want any part of the human experience to be gated from men by being "feminine". I think we must say "to be … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 10:40 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...I just explained that women who are masculine are not as vilified as men who are feminine. Both get backlash for bucking social norms but the extra vitriol reserved for feminine men is because of misogyny / hated of the feminine I agree that glorifying veterans is lip service, but most of the time women don't even get lip service. And genuinely, "veterans are heroes for their service" is much more prevalent than "people who go into the military are dumb/poor", I am taking generally, the US as a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 10:15 PM |
| -5 | As a feminist ...If the most conservative people are upholding it and using misogynistic reasoning to justify it then yes, I am going to call it an offshoot of misogyny | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 10:10 PM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...Slaves WERE prevented from joining militias in the US, including in the war of Independence. Congress initially decided against enlisting black men into the Continental Army | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 10:07 PM |
| -7 | As a feminist ...The issue with making the equivalent statement about the draft is that we do not see joining the army as inferior. You just need to look at how veterans are glorified in the US to know that. Things that are masculine coded are usually seen as superior to things that are feminine coded, with some exceptions (like with motherhood, there's "good" motherhood and then there's single parent motherhood, so there's a whole range of how it's interpreted and whether it has positive or negative connotation… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 09:52 PM |
| -8 | As a feminist ...It excludes men from a role that society views as inferior, because of the idea that a man shouldn't want to do feminine-coded things like childcare, which I would characterize as misogyny If it's just "man bad" in a vacuum we would have a different conversation | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 09:29 PM |
| -3 | As a feminist ...I mean it's just benevolent sexism vs regular old sexism, and both are patriarchal in nature because the US has been a patriarchy for its entire existence Benevolent sexism involves endorsing seemingly positive, but actually condescending and restrictive, beliefs about women, such as that they are pure, weak, and need protection The idea that men are bad parents is rooted in the traditional family structure ... which is misogynistic Believing in equal gender roles means believing in neither | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 09:00 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...Yes, I genuinely don't see a lot of it. I could just as easily argue that incel theories are mainstream and "this is why women can't support MRAs", isn't that the same argument for "this is why people can't be feminist" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 08:39 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...That's not what critical feminism is about | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 08:36 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...True, the short quippy comments are easier to make, I'll respond to the larger ones later when I'm not at work | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 07:55 PM |
| -5 | As a feminist ...Maybe it would be helpful to define misandry and misogyny before we continue the conversation | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 07:47 PM |
| -3 | As a feminist ...Sometimes, yes? Like there's a certain amount of "man bashing" but like, only in the more extreme corners of the Internet. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 07:45 PM |
| -3 | As a feminist ...This is actually a great point, I think women also uphold patriarchal values and it's on all of us to examine that. I think the same applies to a lot of men as well. I'd love to see more of a "coming together to fight sexism" approach rather than what I see right now which is blaming women and feminists | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 07:40 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Hmm? Why do you say that | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 07:37 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...Feminists and TRAs don't want equality, either. That's like ... Not true. Feminism is about equality https://www.britannica.com/topic/feminism | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 07:35 PM |
| -5 | As a feminist ..."Men are bad at parenting (therefore women should do all the unpaid labor of childcare)" is usually how I see this playing out, which is why I say it's a misogynistic statement. I guess in isolation it isn't, but unfortunately none of us live in a vacuum, so I don't know if we can discuss these statements without looking at how it interacts with the culture at large | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 07:31 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Hmm that depends on the behavior. Some of it is internalized misogyny, isn't it? Like if you think "women who wear a lot of makeup are sluts" that's misogynistic, and when it comes from another woman that becomes internalized misogyny. It's "internalized" because it comes from a woman, it's a judgement coming internal to the group (women and girls) that is harmed by these stereotypes. I'm curious what you envision internalized misogyny looks like, vs what does toxic femininity looks like | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 07:14 PM |
| -4 | As a feminist ...Good bait Feminism is about gender equality, with a primary focus on women's issues, but there's also plenty of space for men's issues TERFs literally don't include trans people, it's in the name: trans exclusive radical feminist. Can you exclude an entire group of people and still believe in equality for everyone? I think the problems arise when people see it as either or. You either support women or you support men. That's just the wrong framing. You can support both, and as a feminist I do su… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 07:07 PM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...You can go on any feminist subreddit and claim to be a TERF and see how they react. People on the left, feminists, etc are generally not pro-TERF | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 07:02 PM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...Some women do enforce the patriarchy through internalized misogyny, it depends on the behavior? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 06:52 PM |
| -4 | As a feminist ...Wow, are you also going to say white supremacy isn't the source of racial inequality (in the US) and it's hateful to call it out | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 06:51 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...Some men are, the men in political power definitely are. Women in political power also often reinforce the patriarchy because... They had to in order to get to a place of political power in the first place Men who are not in power probably have an easier time navigating than women who are not in power, on aggregate, but of course there are exceptions So it's complicated | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:45 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...I think talking about gender roles means you have to define those roles and you are almost required to reference stereotypes, but I think it's also necessary before you can move away from those stereotypes, is to know that they are to begin with | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:35 PM |
| -10 | As a feminist ...I just don't get why this is the "gotcha" that it's being framed as Toxic masculinity is an act associated with the masculine that is also toxic, so men are pushed towards behaving that way more than women are. The equivalent for women probably wouldn't be them acting the same way as men currently do. But rather women acting in a way that is stereotyped of women that is also toxic. For example, there's this stereotype of nurses eat their young, which I would argue comes from the fact that nurses… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:28 PM |
| -1 | As a feminist ...Hmm it is toxic masculinity because it's associated with the masculine and is also toxic, so men are pushed towards behaving that way more than women are. The equivalent for women probably wouldn't be them acting the same way as men currently do. But rather women acting in a way that is stereotyped of women that is also toxic. For example, there's this stereotype of nurses eat their young, which I would argue comes from the fact that nurses are mostly women which gives rise to these dynamics | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:24 PM |
| -5 | As a feminist ...I think we agree on wanting equality, just not on the source of the inequality | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:20 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...Idk, patriarchy as a system of oppression vs how men navigate as part of that system is fairly distinct. I can say capitalism is evil but we all live in a capitalist society and are just doing what we can to survive | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:19 PM |
| -6 | As a feminist ...TERFS are not real feminists I'm glad we can agree on that | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:16 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist ...What do you mean? Which behaviors are you referencing? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:14 PM |
| -6 | As a feminist ...They don't argue that men are inherently evil? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:12 PM |
| -14 | As a feminist ...I don't really get it, "men make terrible fathers" is also an example of misogyny, isn't it? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:12 PM |
| -2 | As a feminist ...I'm not saying that women shouldn't play a role in advocating for equal conscription, I am saying I don't understand the feminist bashing I see here when it's not the feminists who are for keeping unequal conscription | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:08 PM |
| -10 | As a feminist ...I think you're not giving the academics enough nuance, they definitely understand that men are also hurt sometimes in a misogynistic and patriarchal society | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:06 PM |
| -7 | As a feminist ...Toxic masculinity is enacting masculinity in a way that's toxic, isn't it inherently gendered? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 05:00 PM |
| -16 | As a feminist ...My reasoning for "men are conscripted" is a form of misogyny is because when you read all the arguments against women being drafted, in that 2016 article I linked After voting against the bill on Tuesday, Mr. Cruz said in a prepared statement: “I could not in good conscience vote to draft our daughters into the military, sending them off to war and forcing them into combat.” It seems to be textbook "protective paternalism" I do think it's sexism and I do think it affects men. But look at where i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 04:58 PM |
| -10 | As a feminist ...I don't really get it, what do you envision critical feminism to be? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 04:54 PM |
| -20 | As a feminist ...My reasoning for "men are conscripted" is a form of misogyny is because when you read all the arguments against women being drafted, in that 2016 article I linked After voting against the bill on Tuesday, Mr. Cruz said in a prepared statement: “I could not in good conscience vote to draft our daughters into the military, sending them off to war and forcing them into combat.” It seems to be textbook "protective paternalism" I agree that women also reinforce misogyny, we all are part of the system… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/25 04:52 PM |
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