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That's why you don't use statistics to pick your marriage partner. I would not work well with a religious or spiritual woman. In fact, that is my cryptonite. I need rationality, or we will clash every day and there will not even be a marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:28 AM
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I do give a fuck. I rebel against it and don:t let their branding of men become my identity. What are you doing? Complaining in reddit or explaining how something is unfair? Duh. Yes, men don't have a good standing in current western societies. They are treated sexist and made responsible for all the bad things men do. Will you let that determine your behavior? Pick a social circle that values you and be unapologetically yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:11 AM
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Then maybe they were correct and this is how boys act. Men are brutal to each other. What I have gotten thrown at me in online games by men is the worst you could imagine. I needed to grow a thick skin, because the authorities could not protect me, or deliver justice. You can always go to the police, if what you encountered qualifies. You know, metoo and stuff. As for the rest, criminals are supposed to get resocialized. Accepting them back into society and friendships is what we are supposed to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:35 AM
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How about you just don:t care about that and do what you want? I do that and it works great. Living my best life as a problematic man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:18 AM
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Shocking! People are treated differently. Adapt to who you are with your behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:49 AM
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See, you judge men by the few bad apples. You know what we call that when we do that with "race". Yeah, men are doctors, but that is not the midwife profession. I have two feme midwife friends. Very different job. If someone harassed you, you report them and press charges. Like I would I someone harassed me, bullied me, or assaulted me. men also have to deal with other asshole men who break the rules. We are in that together vs the bad guys
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:44 AM
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Try being a male midwife or kindergarten caretaker as a man. I thought feminism is about fighting for your right to do whatever you want. Be a bricklayer and be the change you want to see in the world. Men are competitive. If you want to succeed in their domains, you need to beat them in the competition. You won't get it handed to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:00 AM
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There already is equality. What there isn't, is equity. And you will not get that without forcing women to do jobs they don't want to do. Is that your goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:34 PM
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I don't think I understand your argument. Do you argue that my gf is trash? She is super attractive and regular gets called the most attractive women in any social setting or even in clubs. I don't have sugar babies. The idea of being desired for offering monetary rewards disgusted me. I need to be desired for my body and my personality. So far, that works. Women pay my drinks on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:29 PM
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Finally someone with a sober take on reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:26 PM
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I wasn't there. Neither 50 years ago, nor 1000s of years ago. I am living now, in a society where sexism against men is en vogue. I am a humanist. I am for treating the sexes the same. For not forcing people into equity, when that is not what they want. Where biological differences are real and have real world impacts. To nullify them by force is the problematic ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:23 PM
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No that was not my argument. Nevermind, if you didn't get the hint, it's probably not worth it explaining it more
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:07 PM
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I am 41. I also remember the time before it. How does that change the argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:04 PM
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Yeah, think maybe outside your US bubble. There are more countries in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:02 PM
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yeah, but the point is, that you can say it in main stream and not be opposed. It's tolerated. Like, imagine someone saying that about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:02 PM
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Based on what? Your personal experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:50 PM
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I guess then the consensus regarding rape changed and you would have to go to the streets and be an activist to further show you are the morally good person
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:11 PM
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well, then you just need to post a video saying rape is not okay, right? Get 1million views on it and we are good. I'll leave the honor to you. I don't need the virtue signalling to feel good about myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:56 PM
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I am doing my part and being a stay at home boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:54 PM
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i do not care the slightest was people like on social media. My moral values are not determined by if i take a position on their actions. Not speaking up against something does not reveal my position. That is just what the status seeking, approval seeking, virtue signalling crowd needs in their insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:30 PM
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I started drowning in options when i changed my life around at age 30 to 32 and got out of a long term relationship. Now, 10 years later i am still drowning in options. But not because i got older, but because i change my fucking life around. Completely. I am living Leo large. Gf is 13 years younger, sex partners are 15-23 years younger. Smashing so much pussy the SPCA got involved. 3 differen women, separately last sunday alone. When i started dating at 34, i had about 70 first dates in 1.5 yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:25 PM
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Do you want 50/50 in all jobs or not? Someone will have to be in all the jobs that women do not want to do, and men will have to do the jobs that they dont want to do. How is that a better situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:23 PM
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I am talking about positions that say "women will be preferred in the case of male and female applicant with same qualifications".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:19 PM
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Yep, thought so. That's why i was so rude. You people are so far gone, that not even being rude shakes you out of your false views about the world. Are you a teenager or young adult who has grown up with social media? It's baffling and close to uneblievable how you can be so ignorant about it's mechanics. To even think that views means representative. Holy fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:18 PM
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Lol, you couldn't be more wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:15 PM
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yeah, there is a biological reason for that. Accept it and move on. We will not be able to get rid of that. We should make an effort though, but if men are not even into treating men better... who should be the spearhead of that movement?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:58 PM
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Girl, this is a list chatgpt put out with this exact wording. Chatgpt is super progressive, feminist leaning. You can be sure that everything it puts out regarding this topic, is far from MRA. I just copied the gist of it. You can have the sources for all the statements, or you google it yourself. We do not need a legal defintion of affirmative action for it to be a thing. Again, for my country, Germany: In Germany, the Professorinnenprogramm allocates state funding to universities only when the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:57 PM
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You didn't answer my question, so i assume you realized that you cannot vet someone for confidence and sexual/romantic interest in you before you make the approach. Yeah sure, in your head he was attracted to you. Sometimes, men are just friendly and smile. Sexual interest overperception bias also happens to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:42 PM
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You think instagram or tiktok reels that pop up in your feed are representative of what women think or do? Sheep!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:39 PM
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I do not complain. I have all the privileges in the world. I am comfortably swimming on top of everything. Society could be waaaayy more anti male, and i would still have no reason to complain personally. I am not interested in complaining on behalf of others. That's too woke for my needs. I answered OPs question. If this sounds like complaining, you might be too deep into the gender war.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:38 PM
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No, you are twisting my words again and fight low hanging fruit strawmen. I said that you do not know about the intentions of someone who calls "nice ass" into your direction. We are NOT talking about if this is sexual abuse or not. We are talking about the intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:21 PM
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how do you vet someone regarding the kind of interest they have in you, before approaching them? How do you find out about their confidence and desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:19 PM
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There are. Maybe not in your country, but in mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:17 PM
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You can partake equally. Go be a plumber.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:16 PM
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I don't give a shit about the reels that pop up on your social media feed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:15 PM
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Of course, like in all sexually reproducing species
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:15 PM
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Gender quotas in public and private sectors Scholarships and grants: women-only funding Exclusion from support structures Affirmative action in academia Political framing and public messaging Slogans like “The Future is Female”, “Kill All Men”, or “Men are Trash” are not only culturally tolerated, they are: Worn as merchandise Promoted on university campuses Defended by academics as “symbolic speech” Imagine the inverse: “The Future is Male” or “Women are trash” , these would be denounced as hat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:54 PM
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We are talking about the intentions. Don't twist my words.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:44 PM
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No, it's not more realistic that women approached men. That would not be at a rate that satisfies male desire for sex. Men mostly approach for sexual interest. Women would approach WAY less than men would want to be approached. Also, it would rob women of a key assessment criterion: does this man have the confidence and desire to approach me? Women approaching men would be seen as just a free offer of sex and men would accept, regardless of if they share the intentions of the woman for this cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:44 PM
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No, people are worried because of being ageist regarding their views of predatory behavior. This is about divorce, not about general relationships. You can get together at 20-30 and marry at 27-37. Worry when someone marries at 20yo, regardless of the age of their spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:39 PM
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Why do you optimize for statistical averages instead of your own personal life and the individual you have in front of you as a potential mate? You must know that going by statistics to judge an individual is not helpful. The person that on paper is lowest chance to divorce, might be a very high chance for divorce with YOU specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:35 PM
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Your intentions with this comment are obvious: sexist propaganda. So obvious bad intention. See, it's not so fun when others just assume your intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:33 PM
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Getting a divorce because of cheating is stupid, unless the cheating was just a symptom of a marriage that should have gotten a divorce anyway. In which case, the cheating didn't change anything. Being loyal is stupid. Expecting loyalty is weak. Deciding on your own morals and values, having integrity is where it's at. I would keep both as friends as i don't see their behavior as a reason to end a friendship over. I also wouldn't take any sides, because i am not dependent on social approval for …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:17 PM
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No, women did shoot themselves in the foot. Lots of good guys are no longer approaching beause of irrational fears and anxiety. It's players like me who still approach and get all the women. It increases the inequality further. Power lies with the few men who still approach and are accepted by women. THis is not in women's interest. They have no bargaining power with men like me, because i can just go to the next woman, who is also not approached. They have to play by my rules, if they want to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:49 AM
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For example all the factors that increase the risk of being unfaithful, like: extraversion, low conscientiousness and low agreeableness, impulsivity, avoidant or anxious-preoccupied attachment styles, low religious commitment, more time away from the partner (e.g., frequent travel, night shifts), working in mixed-sex environments or jobs with high interpersonal interaction (e.g., sales, hospitality), higher income and education slightly increase infidelity rates, especially among women (due to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:43 AM
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But you also have autism and are hardly the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 09:29 AM
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You do not know the intention, you just interpret the signal you receive with your own perspective on it. You are not in the positions to declare what the intentions of the sender of the message were. You wouldn't accept if anyone did that with your messages.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 09:14 AM
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A lot given how they constantly complain and wish men would leave them alone I'd say it's a lot. But how do you know it's "the average woman" who complains, and not a fringe minority who gets a lot of attention and approaches? As you said "given how much they complain". THis is not a good indicator, as complaining about lots of attention is giving them the beneficial victim status AS WELL AS, boasting about their attractiveness for getting lots of attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 09:09 AM
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Define the average woman. What is her life like? How old is the average woman? What country is the average woman from? What ethnicity and religion does the average woman belong to? Nobody has a clue on what the average woman looks like or is like. I cannot tell you anything about the average woman, but i can tell you how much women below age 30 get approached: <image> So the median for approaches per month for women <30yo is zero. It's 1 for the last six months, and it's 2 for the last year. So,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 09:04 AM
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I agree with your historical analysis, but i don't agree that people think that this has always been this way and this is how roles have been for any relevant amount of time in human history. Especially, since not everyone has a US-history background and life has been very different in the 50s in other countries. A loud minority, (a loud majority in red pill circles), romanticizes this time and rose-tinted-glasses the roles of men and women at that time. Telling them that it wasn't great or that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 08:09 AM
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If not being approached would change a person's personality to something that would get them approached... we wouldn't see all those toxic incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:45 AM
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It made it way easier to be successful with approaching women, since barely anyone has the balls to do it anymore. If you are a normal guy on top of it, women react even better. I cannot count on both hands the times women have told me how glad they are, that they have been finally aproached by a guy who isn't weird, creepy, unpleasant, socially unadapted, annoying, etc. Just be normal and talk to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:29 AM
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None. All the privileges i benefit from are due to attractiveness, social class, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:25 AM
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If they would put in the effort to lower divorce probability on all traits that affect it, i would see this as a probable reason. But JUST going for optimized marriage stability in n-count, but not in other traits of the partner seems like there is something else going on. Also, i don't know about you, or the other men, but a woman could literally tell me she had 2 sex partners, while having had 50, and i would not be able to tell she is lying. Low n preference is usually VERY noticeable in a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:15 AM
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No, nature has no judgment on what is a "valueable trait". A trait that might be selected on one side of a mountain range, might not be selected on the other side. There is no ranking of trait desirability in nature, no good or bad, no universal judgments. Neither do women all choose the same traits, because they decided that those are the desired ones. You are absolutel wrong to call personal mate choice eugenics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:09 AM
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Is this true for countries other than the US? edit: nvm, i looked up the info. Surprisingly, female-older couples have a greater risk of divorce than male-older. And once people are out of the very young ages <23yo, divorce risk drops until 40+, where it increases again
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:54 AM
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It's hard to talk to someone who is indifferent towards relationships or romance in general. It's hard to talk to an ideologue like you. Just because something has a greater chance of undesired outcomes, doesn't mean it's weird to do it. You also drive by car instead of bus, although car has a higher chance of getting you killed. How is that not weird? You also eat fucking fast food instead of unprocessed, well balanced, organic food, even though it has a higher chance for adverse health outcome…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:52 AM
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I should vet my conversation partners better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:38 PM
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I do not. I even explained what personality traits make people generally value low n count. I understand that people are different and i understand the underlying reasons for why. I do not expect that nobody cares about n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:37 PM
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THe compatibility some people look for is an abusive relationship. How does that not go into your head?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:18 PM
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?! I am not defending anything. Everyone can prefer any kind of n count or sexual behavior. I don't care. I am only interested in the reasons why someone has a preference for a specific n count or behavior. And for all i understand about it, i am not buying the "because of divorce statistics" reason the men give.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:05 PM
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No, i wouldn't be with someone who couldn't have sex. Not even if they were the perfect person otherwise. Sex is a major thing for me and in relationships. Especially sex with my romantic partner
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:01 PM
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Usa is the same kind of shithole, just with more friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 02:12 PM
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When women say they want a low-n man, nobody ever questions them i question them, as i question you. How about we keep this issue between us two, and not draw in "society"? Why do you want to understand my standards? Because i want to understand the greater system behind the phenomenon that a lot of men here present. You might be the key to building a model for an issue that we have so many discussions on. I think high-n women are disgusting for long-term relationships. Kind of like stepping in …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 02:11 PM
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You shouldn't have slept on your statistics course in uni
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 02:05 PM
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ON AVERAGE. How are you not understanding this?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:05 PM
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Why should you care about traits that correlate with divorce rate? well, because you cared about it when it was about n count. See, it's not about divorce, it's only about n count. Disgust regarding casual sex is rooted in sexual disgust sensitivity. But you said that you fucked high-n women, so that was not disgusting to you. Why does it become disgusting in long term relationships? Sure you can have standards. I just want to understand what they are based on and why you have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:05 PM
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No, not everybody is flawed with regards to leading to relationship problems. How are you not getting this into your head? Vetting does not help when you are drawn to toxic dynamics. Your best vetting attempt will also only produce a toxic relationship. Also, if you are low mate value, you only qualify for low mate value partners. Part of being low mate value is having a personality that leads to unstable and abusive relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:48 PM
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https://ubp.uni-bamberg.de/jfr/index.php/jfr/article/download/196/198/323
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:27 PM
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No, i don't want the less fucked woman. I am not an insecure incel who hopes to marry a young attractive virgin when he is mid thirties, while having no dating experience under his belt, hoping that "aging like fine wine" will do the job. You are not a statistic. Live your life as an individual, who might very well be completely different that the average values. Your peak value might be in your early 30s and that's where you can land the highest value partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:22 PM
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Ah, yeah, Russia, the pinnacle of morals and human wellbeing. Women should have their first child whenever the fuck they want. Being selfish is good. It would be stupid to get children at a time when some incels on reddit think it would be best.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:07 PM
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By definition, however, eugenics is the promotion of any behavior or policy intended to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. There is no intention to increase the occurance of desirable traits in the human population. People decide on their own partners with no intention to improve the human population. That is just a byproduct.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:03 PM
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I don't see how the first source you posted has anything on age gap widening for women over 25. Care to elaborate how this supports your statements or is the basis for it? The second source has your first source as its source... so same issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 11:12 AM
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you are mixing up repsonsive desire with building attraction over time. Very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:50 AM
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Perel doesn't say that 85% of women go for 5% of men. Those statistics (80/20) are from dating app like distribution, which does not say anything about who women really go for with regards to dates or relationships, and it also doesn't say anything about which other men women send likes to. This is just the % of men with the most overlapping like distributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:48 AM
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With n count discussions usually come divorce statistics to justify n count preferences in committed partners. Meanwhile, all the other factors that increase divorce likelihood are conveniently neglected. Why is that? To me, it looks like people do not care that much about optimizing partner choice for low divorce probability and rather look for a somewhat believable argument for their preference, that is actually rooted in something else than optimizing for stability. As "values" would be a per…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:37 AM
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did you also follow the statistics on all the other factors that influence divorce rate? or did you just use the statistics for this single issue, neglecting other factors that increase divorce rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:26 AM
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Most women have not slept around a bunch. There is zero data to back up this notion of "have slept around a bunch".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:22 AM
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It doesn't help to use average values when wanting to determine the individual fate of a person. There are men who are very averse to high body counts and men who do not care at all. Most men are in the middle and find the most common range of body counts to be very acceptable (~2-20 bodies, which makes up about 95% of the population of women) The outliers on both ends are desired by outliers. A high or low body count does not keep someone single and as you said, it only lowers mate value for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:20 AM
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I didn't say that the vetting process should be better. I said that no matter how good the vetting process, you will not get to a point where women don't pick men with issues, that lead to relationship problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:35 AM
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do you have the data on that? As far as i know, young women prefer older men to a larger degree than older women. The age gap average is also affected by the relationships where the man is younger. Which happens very rarely with young women, but is preferred by older women. So my guess would be, that the average age gap for women up to age 25 is larger than for women overall. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:25 AM
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Smart throught YOUR ideological lens is different than smart through other lenses, or other personality's points of view. You are viewing men as average values and not as individuals. It's smart to marry a young man who is rich and successful already, and who wants to have children asap and meet your ideological views. You just insert AGE because it correlates with what you seek, but it's not smart to marry a man who is way older than you. It's smart to marry a young man who has everything the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:15 AM
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<image> Nothing really changed from 2012 to now. The fluctuations you see are based on sample size. The trendlines might not even show a statistically different result between 2012 and 2024. One more year of survey results like 2024 would probably make the trendlines parallel to the x-axis. Covid was also a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:07 AM
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There is no one who rejects or accepts people into the red pill. There is no ideological, political or any other kind of value requirement. The red pill is information about human mating, nothing else. I'd reject you for religious background, homeschooled, limited experience, right wing and family oriented. Surprise, the red pill is not a monolith and you would probably reject me as well, despite me not having any of the characteristics you listed as being typical for red pilled men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:51 AM
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my point is: all the vetting you could possibly do, will not get you a partner who doesn't lead to relationship issues. People will take flawed partners over being single. It's an illusion that better vetting would get you anywhere except being single. Also, lots of people are DRAWN to bad relationship dynamics. Their "vetting" isn't even able to avoid those partners, because they actively go for them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:41 AM
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It has always been this way. No reciprocation means not interested. An interested woman always played the ping pong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:33 AM
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Why do you assume that vetting is better than deceiving? Vetting is better than being drawn to toxic relationship dynamics because that is how the woman has been brought up? Why do you (assumably) think, that women should be able to be with a partner who doesn't have issues that lead to relationship problems? THat reeks of "women are wonderful", pedestalizing, niceguy mentality. Women are deeply flawed as well. And a deeply flawed woman is not going to get a man who has no issues. You can vet al…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:28 AM
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Initiating already makes a choice. So men, being the initiators, choose first. Women choose second. https://www.jstor.org/stable/43865641 Humans have mutual mate choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:21 AM
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What? You seem to somehow not get evolution. There are different strategies that lead to evolutionary fitness. Evolution doesn't care if you call them "good" or "bad". The idea that women can instinctively pick the "best" men is the foundational myth from which that narrative springs. Again, "best" is your moral judgement, which evolution doesn't care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:13 AM
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What? Men don't push women to date niceguys. Niceguys do that. Also, men don't first and foremost think about physical fights (unless you live in that kind of environment where you need to actually think about being assaulted), but more about the male dominance/status hierarchy. "am i above, below or equal to this guy?" is what subconsciously, sometimes consciously, is assessed and what will influence how i interact with the men. Niceguys have low standing in the dominance hierarchy. But that do…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:06 AM
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Why is it just accepted as a fact of life that people should work for their food, when we know hundreds of people who are born with a conveyer belt in front of them? You don't have to "accept" anything. That doesn't change though, how the world works. Even the most privileged need to put in effort, when they want to improve their mate value even further. I was born with all the privileges one can wish for. Still struggled romantically, self-esteem wise, mentally, and physically. Took lots of eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:51 PM
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The men are insecure. The female virgins can be insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:45 PM
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Listen, english is not my first language and i am doing quick and dirty answers here, because i do not think it'S worth the effort to be ultra precise with you. Effort : strenuous physical or mental exertion Comfort: a state of physical ease and freedom from pain or constraint**.** To me, that is mutually exclusive. But please, tell me how you see a drastical increase in mate value, without putting in effort or without losing comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:00 PM
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They like virgins because they are insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:27 AM
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Because becoming higher mate value (relative to your competition) doesn't happen without putting in effort in some kind of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:23 AM
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I don't laugh when i hear that. I feel compelled to bring better sources of information to those people, than what they hear on social media, or what they feel personally about what other men want. It's a chance to improve the overall knowledge base and reduce conflicts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:12 AM
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It's fine to value comfort, not growing, not challenging yourself, etc. But then you will also not drasticall improve your mate value and change your mating experience. Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:08 AM
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yeah, i can see why this is a reaction one could have. I am not aligning with hoe_maths conservative values and views, especially on the "her past"/purity stuff, but regarding this untangling of "good guy"<-> "bad guy" dichotomy and making a matrix out of it, he really did great work. My "problem" was, that while i was attractive(bad boy) enough for women, for all of the leftmost types or relationships, i really struggled with showing off less on the supportive side of things FIRST, and rather b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:23 AM
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How do you expect to find perfection when you are not willing to deal with lots of different women? Finding the needle in the haystack will require just that. Don't let yourself get exploited in the process. don't lead with money...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:55 AM
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You will have to take some of those issues. Expecting perfection will get you nowhere. Especially as you are also not perfect and need women to make compromises on their ideals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:33 AM
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Exactly. Men are rated on a two axis coordinate system. "good guy" (relationship material, father and partner qualities) and "bad guy" (sexual attractiveness, genes). It's not two opposite ends of a spectrum. The good <-> bad might suggest that, but it's not like that. Depending on where you are rated at on both scales, you will be viewed as a candidate for different kinds of relationships, with different levels of commitment/closeness and sexual attraction. There is no way to get sexual attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:01 AM
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Seems like you want/need something that doesn't exist, or is too rare to expect to find. Someone who enjoys/admires you for financially enhancing their life (so far below you in wealth/income), but not to the degree that they depend on you (long term mooching = bad), but also not too independent and on your level (because that would make them think they are above you and not valuing your financial input to their life) and also neither with too much or too less self-esteem. You want the perfect "…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:08 AM
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Men do not want virgin women. Even young men of average age 21 preferred women with 1 sexual partner in her past over virgins, in a study on exactly that. This goes up with age. Young virgins prefer other young virgins. This is from another study regarding sociosexuality and how it makes a difference in what kind of sexual partner count leads to what kind of willingness to form a relationship. Sociosexuality is about attitudes, behavior, and desire for sex outside of a committed relationship (br…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:56 AM
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At first i thought: self-esteem issues on the women's part. I also had a girlfriend who thought she couldnt possibly be good enough for me and that i would surely leave her for a better woman. Took lots of building up her confidence and self-esteem until she realized why i want to be with her. But then, this part made me think that you were just wanting to live a lifestyle they could not go along with their own means and they didn't feel good being this dependent on you. "they felt like they cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:50 AM
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I see, so your location doesn't lend itself to casual sex dating. Being relationship material does not stop women from wanting to have sex with you, if you are ALSO sexually attractive and not just relationship material. Be more sexually assertive, get out of boyfriend mode and into lover mode, improve your shoulder-to-hip-ratio and facial masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:43 AM
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i can see how one might thight that they are far ABOVE a partner when hustling, hypergamous, addicted to social media and the constant stream of seemingly easy to access higher value partners, and being in a higher career position. You think, or experienced, that it worked the same for the partner who was below you in career hierarchy? Like they adapted the ideas that you could not possibly want to be together with a woman who was below you in career hierarchy? That doesn't sound right.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:32 AM
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I never said that it's "painlessly" possible. Strawman If i understand your sentence correctly, you say that this improved probability through self improvement of mate value is not worth cost of getting there. This is a subjective judgment, because you seem to have low valuation of sex and relationships and high valuation of avoiding pain, with a high sensitivity for pain. So nothing about that is baseless. It might just not be worth it for your personal situation, and you just say that without …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:28 AM
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Women currently mate with losers. Poor people always somehow manage to "make a living". The rich need the poor, so they will leave space for them. Rich men are not interested in so many women that there are none left for the poor. If you even just had 3 women in a soft harem, or 2 girlfriends in a polyamorous setting, you would know that this is not the blessing it seems like. Zero benefit. Just have sex casually with women who are not in your harem. Beyond the first time having sex, what is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:21 AM
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if you can somehow manage to do it: stop all of that. sell your pc or other gaming devices, delete tiktok and instagram or whatever you use. Ideally also delete reddit. See how you life automatically fills with stuff that is better and will help you on your feet. I am 41, and after having changed my life completely at the start of my 30s, i am now having the best life i could have dreamt of. I reduced gaming slowly and not forcefully though, as other things in life wanted more attention. In retr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:13 AM
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bring evidence. You have nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:11 AM
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THERE ARE REAL LIFE EXAMPLES OF THAT! ARE YOU BLIND?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:10 AM
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What is the difference for this case?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:09 AM
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You make it clear from the start, that you are not looking for a relationship, but just sex. You will filter out the ones who will only have sex with you in a relationship in this way. Other than that, this never happened to me. Having sex at the first or second date was normal when looking for a relationship. That is what the women wanted. I suggest you don't date women who are sociosexually restricted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:08 AM
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So what? This is a sub about human mating. For mating related aspects, this is irrelevant, because this elite will b definition be a tiny subsample of the population. Even if all of them had 10 women/men, that would be a drop in the bucket for the overall sex ratio in the mating market. Also, we already had this state in the recent history of the world. Poor people still had relationships and families.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:07 PM
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i am permanently banned in both. They do not tolerate people who don't share their ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:34 AM
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i am not boxing something up, i am MODELING something, to better understand it and be able to make predictions. I am very humble about this model being super accurate and i, as well as all of science, am constantly trying to make it a better model, with new information and understanding. You, on the other hand, do not even make the effort to understand and model human behavior, You just KNOW without any evidence. How is that the less arrogant stance?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:33 AM
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First source: That is a lack of a very specific subgroup of men. The most educated, intelligent, career women are not finding enough men of equal or higher achievements, who also make good partners/fathers. Passport bros do not fit that demographic. They are not the ones who will be missed be the women who lack enough mates of that caliber. Second source: "Maybe, they propose, women aren't getting married because the highly desirable men are taken." same issue. Passport bros are not highly desir…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:29 AM
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Exploitation of low quality of life situations that people are in. Making them dependent on access to money/visa/etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:24 AM
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Everyone who studies human mating understands it as a market. Please, support your argument with something else than personal attacks. I gave linkes, sources and explanations in the other commen in this tree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:23 AM
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I am a man of science. Science models human mating with markets and market dynamics. It's the best model we have and i do not see how it would not fit. People have a mate value that is determined by market interactions of the people in the market, just like with other markets. Science found that human mating follows assertative mating or homogamy: people mate with others who are similar to them (in value, like in a market, where an equilibrium is reached). This can be proven genetically for many…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:14 AM
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Pushback against leaving the country because women want to keep the bros around for family building in their 30s when they had their fun with Chad? I am not seeing that. Pushback as in "what you are doing is morally wrong". Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:48 AM
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Imagine you're a guy among other men and you're all asked to lift weights. If you perform lower than average, wouldn't you feel less masculine? Because what most men are capable of doing, you couldn't do at that moment. It's human nature when we feel we're below average, we start to believe we deserve less. It's male nature to compete with other men and fight for hierarchy position in the male dominance hierarchy. If you perceive you status to be too low, the normal reaction is not to give up an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:46 AM
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Men are not a monolith. Men love to dismiss women's caution towards them as "chronically online," because we're now more privy to their online communities and true opinions on women. You are seeing a non-representative subsample of men. We should take the things they say online as factual. Then take the things i say as factual. You are not approaching this in the right way. You are using a fringe extreme minority as the example to judge all men by. We call that sexism. and large percentage of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:31 AM
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What is baseless?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:27 AM
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Just because it goes against your ideology doesn't make it not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:24 AM
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dating is only hard when you use dating apps as your only means of trying to find a partner, and you are not competitive with the other men who are on that app. Other than that you just need to have social skills and talk to women of your league in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:21 AM
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No, it's not a numbers game beyond a point of having reasonable amount of tries. It's a probability issue. If you want to win, adjust your personal probability to win, then do a reasonable amount of tries and you will be successful to a very high degree of probability. Lottery is being a 4/10 and approaching 8/10, hoping that she has this very rare, subjective love for a thing in you that nobody else values highly. Increasing your probability is increasing your desirability to a 7/10 and then ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:08 AM
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No powerless because they do not have the market value to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:06 AM
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There is no pushback. Passport bros are very free to leave. Men love it when there is less competition. Women love it when there is less people being hateful towards them for just following their own mating strategies and decisions. There is an excess of young men in the US population. Millions could leave before the sex ratio becomes an issue for women. Really, this is a madeup problem. Everyone is happy for passbort bros to leave and stfu about women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:04 AM
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But you are only looking at it from a "now" perspective, not from how this calculation of cost-benefit will play out over the course of your life. Just deciding on what is less pain in the moment is a bad base to do decision on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:00 AM
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That is why i told you to address the issues that make you think/experience that the pain is not worth it. You must understand, that how much something hurts or how much you fear it, depends on how well you will be able to cope and how quickly you will be back to normal. The impact of the rejection is different, depending on your setup. Change your setup -> juice suddely worth the squeeze Alright, if you do not want to experience any pain, then explain how your current situation is pain free, wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 08:01 AM
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https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/abs/are-political-orientations-genetically-transmitted/C6D3A60FBE6779C8E6E798600785A4C9 Heritability of Political Attitudes Twin studies—especially comparisons between monozygotic (identical) and dizygotic (fraternal) twins—have shown that about 30% to 60% of the variation in political attitudes can be attributed to genetic factors. The exact number depends on the dimension: Social conservatism (e.g., views on abor…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:30 AM
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I don't think the ones posting what OP is reading have actually moved yet. It's a fantasy, but most people are not confident enough to pull through with such a move.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:27 AM
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Look at any group that is powerless or feels powerless, and you will see hatred towards the group they make responsible for their situation, and coping narratives told to feel better about themselves. Why would passport bros be different?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:26 AM
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Taking risks does make people better at managing risks, sure, but why take a risk when you know the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth attempts are going to be painful failures? Because you will recover from the painful failures, and how impactful they are depends on your setup. If you experience failure in approach as an immense pain that you barely recover from, then improve your emotional resilience, confidence, self-esteem and emotion regulation abilities first. Other than that, remove …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:21 AM
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Evolution says: no. Not possible. If women trusted words more than action, that would lead to less evolutionary fitness, as they would get exploited for easy sex without commitment. That could not have become the dominant way how women are picking mates. The more prone a mating relevant trait is to be faked, the less women trust it. That is, btw. why women are attracted to humor and wit. You cannot fake it and it's a proxy signal of a lot of desired personality traits: intelligence, understandin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:43 AM
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Survival mode would also suggest: band together because humans stronger together. *ape sounds* Economic downturn? A couple is more efficient on expenses than a single. Scuffed social skills? how about they stop being on their phones all the time and force themselves to talk with peopel... building their social skills. We all started with low levels of social skills and trained them by doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:10 AM
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Why is this a terrible counter example? It's a terrible argument if you do not have an argument at all but just a statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:06 AM
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How to move men away from that behavior? Show that it is not structural oppression and disadvantages, but their own issue that they can only address themselves. Their grandfathers lived in a different environment, different culture, had a different lifestyle. It's a selective perception bias that makes them pick out easy parts of that life but not see the hard ones. Every generation needs to be adapted to their current environment, move out of it, or change it. Current adaptive problems are: don…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:05 AM
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No, i wasn't hinting at that. I was asking WHY i is not worth the squeeze for him personally. I was attacking the generality of that statement. The juice is very well worht the squeeze for most men. Apparently, might be biased perception, more men than a couple of years before say this. So maybe something changed: the juice becoming less appealing or the squeeze requiring too much effort. I can not see any of that having changed. Are people becoming less resilient? Are more anxious? I think we h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:33 AM
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depends of course. I can only tell you that i spent about 8-14 hours a day on that for many years during my 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:30 AM
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when we say bad boy traits, we don't mean "beats his girlfriend, deals drugs and was in prison"-traits. If you put an "overly" in front of any characteristic, it becomes undesired. Nobody claims that all women want the same characteristics. But there are general trends that make someone more desirable on average than other traits. That doens't mean that you should try to 180° your personality on core traits, but show you the direction in which a change would make you on average more desirable. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:28 AM
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And you are unable to tell that friend that you dont want to be in a diet romantic relationship but rather just share interestes, have similar likes or commonalities without the rest?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:15 AM
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boring is a subjective judgment. Do you expect that we all find the same things boring? In my subjective judgment, most humans are boring to me. I am neither miserable,, hateful, bitter, sexist or dull. I might be serious, but that is for others to judge. At least i never get told to not be so serious. A passion does not make someone not boring to me and i doubt this works for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:51 PM
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WHat is a friend to you, if what you describe is too much?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:44 PM
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If answering the phone would give me sex and relationships, i'd be a free time call center worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:43 PM
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Orgasm is basically meaningless. I can have that anytime with myself. Validation is very important, but mostly in new sexual partners. In my long term partner, i always feel desired/know i am desired and do not need the validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:18 PM
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Some struggle with overvaluing themselves, others with undervaluing themselves....not a monolith
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:15 PM
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So you do get dates and have choice. WHat is the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:13 PM
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On top of that if you put traits like being extroverted you will have an even easier time socializing. No question about that. The girl and i are both introverts though. I don't buy the narrative that it's hard to find people who are willing to talk to others. Seems like a "this is my narrative so i don't have to try, because i know it will not be successful anyway". Where are the stories of men who tried talking to people, not approaching for a date, just talking when you are in a shared situat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:07 PM
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Creepiness is something that people feel when certain conditions are met. You can read the science on creepiness if you are interested in a discussion that is based on more than what you just make up in your own head about creepiness. maybe he met some women who thinks any non hot man approaching them is creepy We don't know for an individual, because everything exists. But we do know about averages or large samples. Being ugly can be a factor that plays into being creepy, but it is never the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 07:39 PM
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What does "skeptic of human nature" mean? It's my nature to be skeptic. I am quite sure of understanding human nature. That helps me have reasonable expectations for people and relationships and navigate the mating world with ease. Righteousness in all humans? Do you need counter-examples to be disrpoven or do you want to change that statement to something that actually fits humans? I am attracted to women with a triple digit n count, even had sex with a couple of them, working towards my own tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 07:35 PM
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No, you misunderstood. I am attractive, but that was not the reasons she talked with me. She was NOT attracted to me and made that clear. There was no motive for her to talk to me, other than enjoying company and talking. The very thing you claimed is very hard to do, because apparently gen Z is not open for that, and that old men like me still suggest, while having no experience with how the world of young people is. Yes, i only gave one anecdotal sample. But that is the only sample i can give …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 07:35 PM
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Men don't have to put in effort to not be bothered by women and pressured into things they don't want to do. They don't feel threatened by women. How good do men have it? WOmen overwhelmingly do not want to have casual sex. It is nice that for the 1-2 times in their lives that they do want, that it's not a problem to have it, but also most likely not a good experience for them. Stop thinking with a male perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 07:35 PM
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Being blue pilled does not mean that you make the human race your tribe, tha you care for and give your love to. It has NOTHING to do with that. Blue pill is just with regards to not knowing how human mating works. Being ignorant towards our evolutionary past (which was shaped by caring for others when it helped our own genes), has nothing to do with how altruistic someone is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:57 PM
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Dude, it's still talking to people. I was in a club on the weekend and was asked for a cigarette by a smoking hot 19yo girl who was on a solo trip through Europe. I kept the conversation going. We spent 10 hours together (4 at the club, 6 at my place) and just talked, danced, took drugs. I am 41. There was no sexual interest on her side. She just enjoyed the conversation and company, and i was fine with that as well. So don't get me started on "that's only because you are attractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:36 PM
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Don't be severely autistic and have friends of mixed sexes who are not autists or bullied= socialization done. Can't make friends for whatever reason? Address and fix that reason first.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:25 PM
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It is worth the squeeze for very large majority of men and women. Why not for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:18 PM
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You are right, and the studies and survey regarding this topic found, that it's lifestyle changes and mindest changes that explain most of the difference compared to previous years/generations. Less alcohol consumption, less drugs -> more inhibitions, better risk assessment -> fewer sexual encounters time spent gaming, with pornography, and on social media -> stimulation that replaces the real deal living with parents -> no privacy being more risk averse in general -> less approaches, less sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:17 PM
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just be normal, dude. No way you will get called a creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:03 PM
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That would affect all men. I never got told i am a creep. In fact, yesterday two young women in the club told me it's so refreshing that i am normal. Most other men who approach them are behaving weird and talk about weird things. Maybe don't be creepy if you get told you are creepy. If you are an autist, that is different. PRetty hard to not be creepy in that case. Are you an autist?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:19 PM
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And this will only get worse because their fears are justified. Risk aversion is born from catastrophe, not fear of. Both is factually wrong. The statistics are there for anyone to see. The science on fear is in. You are just making up bullshit claims all the time. Give evidence for your statements. And the failure rate among men who approach is astronomical. Just for men who approach randomly. Men with low mating intelligence. Men who vastly overrate their own desirability. The rest of men get …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:15 PM
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No, dude, you made the claim that "men can't punch up to any of that". I disproved you. Then you shifted the goal post to "being able to punch up to any of that is like winning the lottery, it's so rare". This is still something YOU need to prove, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:07 PM
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You would need to show that this is rare, rather than common
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:58 PM
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of course.. now tell me what kind of propaganda influences if women think men are creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:58 PM
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The majority of men are incredibly insecure. Where do you draw the line for qualifying for "incredible" is the interesting point. Don't take advice from men who pretend to have it all figured out yet still can't talk to women, you're only wasting your time Okay, but why did you think you should take advice from men who are struggling, and not from the men who do not struggle, who do have healthy long term relationships, lots of casual sex and can talk to women, women enjoying their company and f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:49 PM
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Monogamy meant one partner for life. One partner at a time is a recent (last 70 years or so) adaptation, because nobody has one partner for life but we still want to feel like we can say we are monogamous about ourselves. Say serial monogamy if you want to be understood correctly. There certainly are people who want to use the term for meaning one partner for life, and they also use monogamy for that (which should also be clarified on their side). "Prior to the sexual revolution and the rise of …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 11:54 AM
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When a man is either, rich, famous or good looking (above average) they all lean towards polygamy That is simply not true. You only perceive those who do, but not those who don't. It is true, that to engage in polygny you need to have the options, but what you also need is to have the interest, the drive, the personality for it. You also neglect the issue, that men who want to have multiple women will put in the effort that is necessary to achieve that: become rich, famous, etc. "No reason" to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 11:44 AM
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And you think they deep down really think they are 10 and deserve 10? You can expect them to stand in front of the mirror at home and be very insecure about a dozen spots on their body, wondering if they are valuable human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:32 AM
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Men and women both overrate their on attractiveness on average. This is a healthy evolutionary adaptation that leads to best outcomes regarding evolutionary fitness. Men slightly overestimate their attractiveness more. Men strongly overestimate sexual interest from women (it's a bias, they can't help themselves), and this is even higher in men with high sociosexual unrestrictedness. THIS IS A GOOD THING, evolutionarily. It increases fitness. It's maladapted in FEW men, that's why it'S wrong when…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:30 AM
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Because red pill is not a value, ideology or political views based thing. I am a political centrist, as unideological and evidence based as possible, having a very progressive lifestyle that doesn't match traditional lifestyle goals at all. Yet i am red pilled, exactly for this evidence based rational unideological personality. I am also sexually fulfilled and mentally healthy. No reason to join a group that would help me get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:16 AM
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When serious relationships end, the girlfriend almost always goes down hill after. She sleeps around, parties with substances and unavoidably ages/has aged. She lowers her attractiveness for potential relationships compared to when she was still in the relationship. People are not a monolith. Sleeping around, partying with substances and aging is not "life going down hill" for all people. She ages regardless between relationships, regardless of if she sleeps around or not. Whereas a man(speciall…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:10 AM
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That seems to be a very personal reaction based on low self valuation and insecurity. Seeing how women throw themselves as famous artists does NOTHING to me, with regards to what i am happy with or require from women regarding to desiring me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:03 AM
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But there were two groups of men arguing about the conformist topic. The evidence based side that cited studies about how women score higher on conformity on average, and the ideological side who says men and women are the same, without any evidence. Or even some feminists who said: men are more conformist because they are soldiers and follow orders... lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:57 AM
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I disagree with you all the time. You are wrong most of the time. Factually wrong. Because you are an ideologist and believe things that feel good, not things that are true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:54 AM
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Nope, strawman argument and post. We said that women are MORE conformist than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:53 AM
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We’re not told to approach women we don’t know because it makes them uncomfortable Not true. 75% of women under age 25 report that they want to be approached more We’re not told to approach women we don’t know because it makes them uncomfortable Not true. Women don't like to be lied to about friendship intentions as a means to get emotionally close to them, only to be revealed as sexual interest/romantic interest that was probably there from the start and which will, in case of rejection, destro…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:50 AM
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but we are not talking about sexist propaganda but subjective feelings of creepiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:43 AM
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From your source: "Men avoid women out of fear of being creepy. 44 percent of men said the fear of being creepy “reduces their likelihood of interacting with women” generally, which jumps to 53 percent of men who reported that they are single." Men can address their fears. Risk aversion seems to be the main contributing factor, next to reduced alcohol/drug consumption, gaming, living with parents. "About half of single men have not approached a woman in person within the past year. This is true …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:18 AM
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Men can get girlfriends who are wealthier, stronger, taller, more intelligent, more creative, more humorous, etc. Are you ideologically blind on your eyes? My girlfriend is more creative and more humorous than i am. She is also better in social situations, better with art, fashion, style, more extraverted, more conscientious, better health, ,more reproductive value, better moral character. i am punching up in a lot of areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:56 AM
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after you have tried what exactly? Swiping on apps and being approached by women? I have yet to hear a story where someone played out the mating strategy that is suiting their personality and situation, and got nowhere with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:39 AM
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Crazy idea: she says no because she never had someone give good oral sex to her, or made her feel relaxed and comfortable enough to let go of self-conscious thoughts that take her out of the moment. Then i reject her based on her past experience, while she would probably have enjoyable oral sex with me. Have you thought about, that not wanting to have sex early is already the incompatibility and there is no point in agreeing to have early sex to check out compatibility, if that is not something …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:30 AM
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What is a major fetish to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:27 AM
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In my experience, at least 25% of women do not like anal sex or giving blow jobs and they do not do that when being told so. Other than that, i want them to enthusiastically enjoy that, not just do it because i requested it. Your issue is you expect compatibility to be instant and natural. I think your issue is that you view the topic from a perspective of someone young and with not that much experience, not knowing about their own sexuality and preferences, being open and curious to explore. We…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:24 AM
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You either didn't have a lot of sex partners yet, or you are very compatible and therefor can go with anything that the other side wants/requires. "anything can be learned"... maybe, maybe not, but that is not the point. The point is if the person WANTS to learn. There is a reason why we do not have 100% rate of people having had anal sex. There is a reason why there is a lifetime rate of about 1/3 for having had threesomes. About 30% of men and women hate giving oral sex. About 30% don't like r…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:48 AM
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No woman ever asked "why do men go for pretty young women". Holy fuck It's a women thing to feel dirty and ashamed for basically everything. Their bodies (fat, tits, hair, lips, lips, legs, ass, too much or too little of everything), their sexuality, their desire, their lack of desire, when men get turned on too much by them, when they do not get turned on by them, etc. If you are profiled as a creep by the majority of women... think about it, they are right. It's a subjective feeling. Change yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:15 PM
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Put yourself in the hypothetical situation that is all over the media. Imagine it's the first time you are in that situation with him and there is no experience from "this is how we always do it"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:06 PM
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Okay, i am not thinking about first interactions but about some dates in, when she has expectations for how you respond to her/care for her/deal with stuff, that she never communicated but then is pissed when you dont do it like she wants, but rather how you THINK it would be okay. So, first interactions. Paint a picture for me. I think i would let things slide for 1-2 times before i notice a pattern and address it. No mind reading from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:04 PM
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No, i suggest that you open up your standards to be violated but made up for in other areas. of course my dream girl wouldn't have mental health issues. I can put that on a list and filter. Or, i can be open to a girl with mental health issues, especially because we/she can work through that, and i can see if it's REALLY a big dealbreaker and not just a "not ideal" situation. But in order for me do give in on that wishlist item, she needs to make up for that in another area that i value. So, i d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:01 PM
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Communication is most miscommunication as is. Then there is non-verbal communication which has a much higher failure rate, when it comes to understanding what was communicated. Experience has nothing to do with "getting it". Once you get called out for doing a thing wrong enough times, you will change what you do, regardless of if you "get it". If women are the masters of communication, they should know about this and make it clear what they want, if it's important. Especially when dealing with …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:54 PM
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So, you tell him you don't want anything to eat, when he calls and asks if you want something because he is pulling up to your favorite takeout place. Then he follows your answer and just brings food for himself. You are then mad because you expected him to still bring you something, even though you clearly said no. Where does the "attentive, observant and generally socially intelligent" come in? Not very socially intelligent to expect someone to guess you want something even though you said no.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:03 PM
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That is niceguy thinking. Are you a niceguy? Women are attracted to men who set up boundaries and tell them what they expect of them and what doesn't fly - when it's reasonable. Telling a woman that's in your interest to meet her needs, but she NEEDS to communicate them clearly, as you are not in the business of mind reading and if she expects that, you will again and again come to these situations where she is supe mad, you don't know what is going on, and both of you are having a bad time. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:01 PM
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Change your life to be something that is interesting or admired by women, where you meet new single women and where you can have warm approaches. Ideally it also suits to getting your in shape, hone your social skills and acquire attractive and useful skills and networking. Leave your incel life behind. Drop all of your hobbies, all of your "friends", find a new place to live that has lots of women of your traget demographic around. You cannot be an X and like to score in a O row. No matter abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:58 PM
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Just saying, i wouldn't have the best gf i ever had and whom i plan to spend my life, who just moved in with me, if i had your list of requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:48 PM
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How do some guys get it without telling them? They can guess, but that will not result in being right all the time. They can have the same personality/ideas/values, so whatever they do for themselves, also matches what you would have wanted. That is not "getting it" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:46 PM
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?! WHAT it's much easier to tell random women i am trying to woo where my boundaries and expectations are. Because i don't give a flying fuck about how she reacts to that. She either becomes reasonable or i don't want to have anything to do with her. With a girlfriend, on the othe hand, i am also invested, emotionally and with everything else. If standing my ground results in the end of the relationship, i am also suffering. Are you suggesting to suck up to random women and get told how you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:44 PM
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I cannot see this at all. Not in me and not in other guys. I have to be everything that a woman wants in that very moment. No, she already has pretty much everything she wants in that moment, except for nice social interaction with a guy. You have to be just ONE thing she wants in that moment, and she doesn't even have to know that she wants that. She realizes she likes having you in that moment, while you engage with her. I have to make her laugh, I have to make her feel comfortable, I have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:36 PM
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It's like feminism. There are lots of different people with different ideas that call themselves feminists. You cannot even say that feminists are about equality, becuase what equality means and for whom is also not agreed upon. Red pill is realizing that there is more to human mating than what you will likely believe about mating, when you grow up in western mainstream societies. It's mainly discovering that humans are animals with an evolutionary past that shaped them and that this is still in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:55 PM
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You expect us to have the same idea about how an 8 looks like... based on... what? Even if we could agree on an objective rating of attractiveness in people, is an 8 the 80th percentile of the attractiveness distribution, or the 95th, or what does an 8 correspond to?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 11:02 AM
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having a girlfriend is not "dating". It's being in a relationship, having a committed partner. You know, just like being married for 40 years doesn't mean someone was dating his wife for 40 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:57 AM
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the list goes on indefinitely Then you will not be able to find someone who matches all of them. Cut your list down to the essentials, and you will find a woman who matches them rather soon. I just have 2 criteria that need to be fulfilled to keep dating someone, and find out if we are a match for a LTR and commitment: i need to be sexually attracted to her i need to really enjoy spending time with her outside of having sex Things that i am either drawn to or repulsed by will show themselves soo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:26 AM
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May i ask what you are here for then? You seem like a MGTOW kind of guy. What keeps you reading about the things you don't want to take part in?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:19 AM
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Why would you assume they are right in expecting this from you? Just tell them they need to stop the expectation of men being able to mind read. It took me some time to get that into my gf's head and now she is rolling her eyes when her best friend tells her about her boy-trouble and 100% of it is not telling them what she expects but wanting them to be able to know it by mind reading. Communicating wants and needs clearly is the only way to reliable get them met, or find ways to work with them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:17 AM
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I was wondering what kind of profile you would regard as feminine. But damn, high neuroticism is especially unattractive in men. is your openness to experience high enough to maybe be responsible for mental health issues? People scoring extremely high in openness often show intensified internal imagery, which correlates with hallucination-proneness and delusional ideation, especially when openness is not accompanied by high conscientiousness or emotional stability. Interaction effects: Openness …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:09 AM
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No, the advice would be: change everything about what you do and who you are, 180°
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:03 AM
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but I am curious: if you had to name the part that feels hardest for you, what would it be? The part that feels hardest to me is the Venn diagram of: [~20yo attractive woman] x [open for ONS] x [is into men 20 years older then her] x [has no problem with me having a gf] x [not severely traumatized to the point of me either having to be her therapist that she clings to, or be part of her problem] As you can imagine, i have grown to become quite the therapist for BPD women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:01 AM
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Wait, you guys are asking the woman to marry you? You are not going to get a nice ring when the woman asks to you to marry her? It's 2025 guys!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:59 PM
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I have an open relationship, so she can go and eat wings and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:54 PM
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if you have sex earlier than other women but also have a clean reputation, you will likely win. LOL? That is the whole point. You don't have a clean reputation after you got slut shamed. The cartel price varied over time and culture/region. The last one i can remember was "no sex before 3rd date". But there were certainly harsher criteria, like no sex before committed relationship or marriage. It has nothing to do with male obsession about purity. I have read 2 studies that support my claims. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:16 PM
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It's still not a lie, you are misunderstanding what he said.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:10 PM
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Hit up women who are less attractive than the ones who rejected you. You are shooting obove your league
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:09 PM
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We can shower together as part of foreplay. For the rest: i mean, a job is a job is a job. I do not even have the qualifications and didn't nee to do anything else for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:08 PM
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To be fair, she has no idea what young men are doing. Men at her age bracket are not looking for women like her. That is the only thing we really can take from the article. And i guess we knew that before. 54 yo single moms are not intersting for ~55yo men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:06 PM
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No i am saying the opposite. A man has lots of ways to be attractive to women besides physical attractiveness. If a man is ugly, that doesn't mean he will be restricted to ugly women. He can be rich, have status, be well educated, intelligent, creative, witty, etc. and still be attrative for a woman who is phyiscally way more attractive than he is. Women on the other hand, have it harder to make up for looks with other traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:05 PM
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How do you know there was nothing that hurt the other person? And a man told you this story that he slut shamed his one night stand for no reason at all? It's not that he slut shamed her in front of an audience of peers, where he wanted to get status with and their mindset was to shame women? He slut shamed her to her face with no other person there?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:18 AM
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you still don't understand it. I defended him against your lack of ability to understand what he said. I could not explain HIS SITUATION (which he hasnt specified more on) to you. There is nothing to defend about what you want to know. You SEEM to not understand, that you can hold blue pill ideas while there is red pill knowledge floating around. Which is astounding, because we see this situation right now. Why shouldnt that be what happened to his grandparents?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:15 AM
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you wanted me to tell you what happened to another user regarding his grandparents. I said i do not have that information. I can SPECULATE, but that is not what you wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:52 AM
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So what is the situatuation? I will try to explain why the man treated the woman he slept with worse than someone off the street
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:51 AM
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nothing of that is happening. you are hallucinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:49 AM
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i have opened up about things i am insecure about. Being insecure is not the problem. Not seeing how oneself is the issue in the problem is the issue. Trying to restrict or change others, so one does not have to deal with own insecurities, is the problem. You see it as an attack. I just describe what is happening here, because men fight tooth and nail to NOT be labeled insecure. Yes, they are, and it's a large topic in their dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:48 AM
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That is why we now have the highest rate of plastic surgery, fillers, etc than ever before?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:45 AM
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This subreddit is not created for whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:44 AM
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You give me the job AND we have sex? sign me up
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:36 AM
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dude, what is up? are you drunk? have you been fired? did your girlfriend or boyfriend leave you? stroke? dehydrated? You are not acting normal
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:02 PM
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You want me to tell you the reasons for why grandparents of a user i dont know told him lies about mating? How should i know? i am just telling you, that the guy was saying, that without that one source of non-blue-pill influence on him, he would have grown up completely blue pilled, like he said. it was a reply to your question, about how feeds lies to people about human mating. Answer: parents and grand parents FOR EXAMPLE
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:57 PM
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Yes, his grandpa was a player. Thats why he was not only fed lies. That is exactly what the guy said. i am not a ban evasion account. i deleted my previous account and the posts under it for pricacy reasons. And i will do that with this account again soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:43 PM
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again more of your intelligible gibberish, stopping in the middle of the sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:37 PM
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BELIEVE IT? YOU ARE STRUGGLIGN WITH UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE SAID. We are not even at discussing if it's true or false that relatives like grandparents and parents have fed their children/grandchildren lies about human mating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:31 PM
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EVERYONE is telling you you are wrong. You have no one agreeing with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:20 PM
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Call a loved one please and let them check on you. You words are not making sense and you lack understanding of simple sentences. Not a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:13 PM
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DUDE YOU ARE THE ONE NOT GETTING IT RIGHT https://preview.redd.it/oy33t75b7bcf1.png?width=948&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb2e9aa1084835845b01cdabedfccd0d71308236 WHO LIED TO THEM THEEEEEEM, NOT YOU THEIR GRANDPARENTS LIED TO THEEEEEEM. AND if his grandpa would not have been a player, he would also just have had grandparents who lied to him Are you having a stroke man?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:01 PM
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yeah i would donate sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:56 PM
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Condom, or raw, cycle tracking and pullout mixture for committed relationship partner who is not on HBC. Condom for all other casual sex instances, unless way too horny and way too high makes me do risky and stupid stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:55 PM
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No, he said that grandparents and parents are sources of lies in general. And that if his grandpa wouldnt have been a player, he would also have been fed those lose by his grandparents.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:47 PM
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What's going on with you today? You are just pissed and not even sharp in your comments. Are you having a stroke? that is not the usual quality i see in your comments. is this some personal ideology shit that triggered you ?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:45 PM
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So, do you want to go back with the statement and rather say: some immutable traits are strong disadvcantages in dating and likely require lots of qualities to make up for which i am not willing to put the effort in to cultivate, so i'd rather whine on the internet how i have no chance because i am short/ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:43 PM
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variations within each sex. Not variations of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:42 PM
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?! of course that makes sense. Someone you became vulnerable with shared intimacy, bonded, etc has WAY more potential to do something with you that makes you lash out and treat them badly than some random person off the streat that has no emotional connection to you. We only hurt the ones we are close to and they are the ones who can hurt us
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:34 PM
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lol you just linked an article by a 54yo single mom that showed how women have not found replacements and want men back. What is it now?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:31 PM
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Why should that change? Do you see women caring LESS about how they look in the last 10 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:16 PM
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... then just know you are wrong and ignorant and you have made a fool out of yourself and will likely double down on that with your next reply Also, learn how to read an abstract. Jesus, have you not been to a university?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:14 PM
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https://www.wellesu.com/10.1037/1089-2680.6.2.166 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513818303064 Men didn't start it and they are not the ones doing it the most and not even for the reasons that one would assume. Read the science.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:11 PM
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I have not argued that men are non-conformist. The argument is that they are LESS conformist than women. This allows both for a few non-conformist women, as well as for most men being conformist for most of the time, as it's also mostly beneficial for men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:50 PM
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And a woman's worth will always be strongly tied to her appearance
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:47 PM
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... unsubstantiated. Wow. Your comment is unsubstantiated and i am firm opponent of all the bullshit Petersan is giving off in recent years. Try again with some argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:46 PM
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maybe read a scientific source on slut shaming. you are wrong in all your comments
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:44 PM
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Because there is no point in really slut shaming (change social behavior, follow norms) someone on an anonymous internet forum. There is no way to enforce to social repercussions to that woman's life, making her change her behavior. Slut shaming requires that her real life social environment gets to know about her norm breaking behavior. Now, we don't have the norms anymore and we don't have the real life contact to the women in this sub. There is no competition for the same men by the women in …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:43 PM
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they do not slutshame. Shaming is done to enforce social rules/norms. Those men do not want those women to not have casual sex anymore. They want to hurt them, because they are not having sex with them. It's like calling someone a virgin. I wouldn't do it becaus i think being a virgin is an issue. I'd do it because i know my target thinks its an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:40 PM
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women use slut shaming on other women to keep them from undercutting each other. There is a commitment price for sex. Slut shaming is like a cartel move, fixing the price: no sex before 3rd date. Rivals who undercut that price to compete for men, will be shamed and socially ruined. We don't see slut shaming anymore, because sex has become anonymous and there is no social network in which the shaming could take place. You can have triple digit n count and nobody in your social environment must kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:37 PM
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Slut shaming is a female on female tool to enforce a high price of commitment for sex. Men just use it secondarily and for different means, because they know it is /was an effective attack on women. Men do not call women sluts when they discover "slutty" behavior. Men call women sluts when they want to hurt them. Most often done by men who would like to have sex with that women but who get rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:34 PM
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I think having sex for the first time would also do wonders.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:24 PM
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Probably would have to talk with your parents here. Other than that, argue with the evolutionary basis for the sex differences in averages of conformity please. Or do you concede and agree that you have been wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:23 PM
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Equality is about rights. Equity is about outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:22 PM
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You make the error to assume that the advice guarantees attraction of someone. The advice is there to guide you into the direction that will improve your chances or raise the mate value ceiling of potential mates who are into you. Going to the gym will benefit everyone. but it's better to live your own life and do what you really want to do, even if it involves the chance of staying alone forever. No, if you want to not be single, it's better to follow general dating advice. If NOT going to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:16 PM
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Dude, you are too biased for that kind of topic. Also, you mock conformist men in other threads enough, so we know what this is about. Is it evolutionarily beneficial for women to be conformists? Yes. Is it more beneficial for men to be slightly less conformist? Yes. Are we seeing today, in averages between the sexes, what was evolutionarily more beneficial for hte sexes? Yes. Conformity refers to copying the majority behavior in one’s group, even if it contradicts individual judgment or private…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:08 PM
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Same reason some women see absence of preferred treatment as oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:45 PM
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i am the first to say that "severe autism is the real black pill" is probably true. Now, why would we base our discussions around dating and the genders on severely autistic men's experiences and problems? They make up the most extreme 1% of the male dating population and need the most extreme ways to make up for their disadvantages when they want to have sex or go on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:28 PM
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As far as i know, the whole equity thing is new to feminism. The equity focus arises predominantly in third-wave feminism and intersectional theory, starting in the late 1980s and early 1990s. If you speak about equality, you gotta mean equality. If you mean equity, name it equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:11 PM
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I SAID that unique taste doesn't mean that there is a taste for anything, like universally unattractive traits. So why do you repeat my statements back at me? We are now at a point in the discussion, where it's about what kind of immutable trait would keep a man from getting a date. Autism is not such a trait. It's negative, but you can make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:55 PM
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Yes, and unattractive people also have dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:48 PM
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There are just a lot of insecure men who think: i if am not the most desirable guy she can think of to her, it's not worth to be settled for. And because nobody has me as the most desirable guy she can think of, because attractiveness is not subjective but mostly objective, and i am not objectively attractive, all i can ever get is being settled for. And being settled for means less sexual attraction and desire than for other men, which is unbearable and also risking being abandonned for better …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:46 PM
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Men are also choosing to do that. You just assume all the single men are incels/involuntary singles
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:09 PM
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That is a universal truth applying to anyone and anything. Now, why do red pillers frame their ideology like they do, when they could also use a different approach and get women on bord?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:04 PM
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Sure, if you have more immutable unattractive traits, you will run out of ways to make up for them. That is, again, shifting the goal post. Unattractive, stupid, autistic, deaf, blind, --- alright, no dates for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:01 PM
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omg, i am really shocked how you can not have heard about sexual dimorphism and what hormones do to people's looks when being present in the womb, childhood and being a teenager.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:57 PM
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Dude, you are shifting the goal post. Autistic men will always be disadvantaged. Severely so even. But the topic is about being able to get dates and immutable traits. you can get dates as a severa autism affected guy. You just have to improve your other traits. getting rich is not required.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:48 PM
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Why would that keep you from getting dates? Become attractive, list good job, have good pictures and do a short and pre-scripted chat with her to set up a date. What would the "high enough level of autism" exactly do to prevent a match on a dating app and the setting up of a date? Get drunk/high with her, have sex, don't do much talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:14 PM
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Because women do have a chance to match with those desirable profiles. So it's not a wasted liked, as it's for men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:11 PM
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Well, are you talking to 17 year olds? because half of them are virgins. ARe you talking to 25year olds? about 2% of them are virgins, but the ones you would meet out and about are probably not part of those 2%. You can find virgin men studying engineering or computer science. Past university age, you will find them at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:09 PM
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You CAN talk to chatgpt if you have trouble understanding. Romanticism (c. 1770–1850) This is the central root of modern ideas about love. Core themes: Emotion over reason: Love as overpowering, spontaneous, irrational. Individualism: The beloved is uniquely perfect for me. Transcendence: True love reveals deeper truths about the self and the world. Nature and the sublime: Love is natural, pure, almost cosmic. Suffering and longing are signs of depth, not pathology. Writers: Rousseau, Goethe (We…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:05 PM
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Seems like a staged video and a case for insurance. Or seems like an abusive relationship with a dependent man. Not attractive for healthy people who would not put up with such a behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:57 PM
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No that is not what it is about. It's about being attracted to your boyfriend, not thinking they are the most attractive partner you could imagine. "Are even into their boyfriends". Yes they are into their boyfriends, having true desire for them. Now you shift the goal post and they must have ULTIMATE desire for their boyfriends. Nobody has that. We all settle in that regard for the partnrs whe choose, which makes the term meaningless if used like that. No, studies show the MEDIAN is 6. The aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:50 PM
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Equal is not equity. A random woman being AS CAPABLE as a random man is IDIOTIC. That would require EVERYONE to be exactly the same in capabilities. Not even two men are equal in capabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:42 PM
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No, that is YOU assuming they are not into their boyfriends. Bring some data.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:39 PM
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Individuals, culture and media. How would i know who exactly and which media exactly? Romanticism for example. Without lies about human mating, you wouldn't be surprised when either discovering the dynamics yourself, as everything has always pointed towards the scientific understanding of human mating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:36 PM
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i am trying to explain a not so complicated concept to you by addressing you as the protagonist in that situation so you can better immerse yourself. Jesus fucking christ, how much more do i have to dumb things down for you? Is this your last resort of trying to "win" this argument with irrelevant nitpickings about different ways i could have worded it? Done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:23 PM
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That is not the definition of being a feminist, and also has nothing to do with gender theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:21 PM
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Nobody is surprised, except for the people who learn about this the first time, after having been fed lies about what is going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:19 PM
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Not a native english speaker. Still not talking about your situation. I am explaining the concept to you, AS IF you were in that situation. Again, vastly overstimating your capabilities. Never mind, keep thinking what makes you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:16 PM
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.. it's not about you but about those people you talked about. Are you really not able to talk about this in abstract ways? I was even overestimating your cognitive abilities when i did an ELI5..
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:03 PM
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Because it is not at the cost of sending likes to someone you have a chance of matching with. Assuming you want to get matches to go on dates, and you are in a position where you want to have more matches than you currently have, there is a cost associated with sending out limited likes to people you have no chance to match with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:02 PM
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"Can", so you would still have the group that this does not work for. Also, i don't see how this would scratch the same itch.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:01 PM
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Imagine being a fisherwoman. You go fishing every day, using a lure and you catch fish every day. They feed you, they might even be able to afford you a decent living. You keep doing what you do. Then, a schmuck on reddit comes along and tells you: Your lure is actively making it so some kind of fish that you haven't caught before, are not biting. (He knows that, because he is such a fish who avoids these lures.) They are potentially more delicious to eat, and/or would sell better and make your …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:57 PM
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<image> Hinge data visualized. Dots are the actual data points, rest is fitted, so what we actually would have at the "bottom 80% of users" mark is not 100% sure. Here, the bottom 80% of men get 30% of the likes, so: the top 20% get 70% = 70/20 for men. And 60/20 for women. This is on hinge, so likes are very limited and it matters who you send it to. On Tinder, sending out likes to people you will not match with anyway doesn't "matter" that much. If you want to use the actual data points for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:44 PM
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Why would they not care about not getting laid or not to the extent to announce it? Lack of something you want and frustration over not getting it doesn't change between having an active social life and not having it, i would assume. What do you think=?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:33 PM
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Exactly, they are wrong. They need this "but those men get settled for and i rather be single than being settled for" to cope with the fact with they do not actually choose to rather be single, but it'S the reality they are confronted with. So they make it more bearable by inventing something that would result in their current state being preferred to being in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:32 PM
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Ah i see, you are not having had a scientific education. I'll leave you with the blessing of being ignorant and happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:30 PM
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80/20 is about like distribution on dating apps and it is THE SAME FOR MEN. The top 20% of women also get 80% of the likes from men. That doesn't transfer to real life mating decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:21 PM
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...again, just open your eyes and look at real life couples (yes even young ones).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:20 PM
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What are the immutable traits that lead to no dates? I am sure i will be able to find lots of men with these traits who do get dates or are in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:18 PM
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Being rejected due to immutable traits is what we all get and what we all do to others. Why is that something that is up to debate? But that doesn't lead to people being incels. There is no immutable trait that leads to sexlessness, unless some unchangeable issue on the guy's end make him unable to physically or mentally have sex. It's always multi-factorial and most of the other factors are subject to be changeable. I have yet to see a ripped and muscular incel with a good job, own apartment, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:17 PM
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So? Rejecting evidence and using a coping narrative that is baseless is not an argument in a discussion. If you build your arguments on how you feel about reality, even though hard evidence contradicts you, you are WRONG. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:10 PM
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There is no need to give gender theory any place in your life. Just as you probably not deal with astrology. Gender theory is not true. It neglects biological differences. It tries to explain reality while rejecting at least half of the basis for what we see. Barely any women do their absolute best to completely obscure that image of what we currently have in mind regarding feminine behavior, female gender roles, etc. It's a non-issue. Men are not running for the hills. They are just selecting w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:08 PM
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Unique taste doesn't mean that there is taste for EVERYTHING. You will hardly find a woman who is into a bad dating profile, or an unkempt man who sleeps on a mattress on the ground, in my little pony sheets. You can see the unique taste of women, by looking at the 70% of women who are in committed relationships right now: are their partners all fitting the same mold? Nope, they are all unique guys. Tall, short, bald, full head of hair, academic and manual laborer, rich and poor, friendly and ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:36 PM
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If you have passion for something, it doesn't matter how attractive you are, a lot of people are going to want to hear your voice. In general, people like ot hear their own voice and are attracted to people who just actively listen, give them the stage, validate them and give them attention. Especially women. Other than that, being interesting is a valid mating strategy. Shoutout to all my introverted people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:33 PM
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"increase your mate value to attract high value mates and be attractive to a larger audience of people" "put yourself out there to increases the frequency of meeting potential mates" "lean into your individual mating strategy instead of following supposedly cookie cutter strategies" "Choose a mating market in which you are competitive and the odds are not stacked against you" "Increase emotional intelligence by training it and it's subcategories like any other skill, because that is universally …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:23 AM
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You could just as well argue that women voluntarily work for free. Otherwise they could set up contracts to get paid for the labor they do in the household. If you are married to a man without such contracts, it's your own fault... It's your expectation that women do this work without contracted payment, that is actually sexist. Who is this really affecting? Pick mates and setups that do not fuck you over in case you split up later. You are assuming role distributions that are barely happening a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:09 AM
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Average values for men and women do not contradict that men and women exist on a spectrum of personalities and trait expressions. Nurturing, non-competitive men do not contradict that there is a difference in averages for men and women regarding these traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:46 AM
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I see biology as the basis, so sex exists. Trans is with regards to gender, which is a social construct. Deviating in gender from biological sex might be something that should be "affirmed". I am not sure we currently know enough about it, so that choice of action is mostly ideological than scientific. If i had to bet, i would bet that we will come to the realization, that it's actually not something that should be affirmed, but rather looked at as a case for therapy to get gender in alignment w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:44 AM
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Which new lifestyle has brainwashed your partners to think they are so far below you in value that they should rather not be with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:19 AM
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I believe many women fear being perceived as shallow for their preferences, which is not good of course. There is nothing inherently wrong with the preferences I’ve mentioned. But, does your image or perception matter more than the negative societal consequences that arise from your dishonesty? Yes, yes it does matter more. That's why we are "all" doing it, except for the autistic edgelords who don't realize they are shooting themselves in the foot and hurting others in the process. Play along. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:14 AM
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Why label anything at all? Men don't all act "like men"/masculine, and women don't all act like "women"/feminine. Roles do exist but it's free choice how much to follow them. Create your own role. Do whatever and date whomever. I really don't get the problem here. You are not threatened by queerness or transgenderism. Everyone seems to agree most women aren’t exactly content with their lives… Are you basing that on "felt reality" or on actual survey about what women say on their levels of happin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:09 AM
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You have to compete with more than 3-4 people and that never ends. You will have to compete with other men for the woman at your side for all your life. That is why we are stable with people for whom we are the highest value person they can get for commitment from. You don't convince the average woman that you are her equal. That is your delusional view of yourself again. I've actually had women come to me saying they dont feel like they are worth it or that they feel I'm settling for them Sure,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:52 AM
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Women expect you to be able to easily tweak and be fortunate or privileged enough to focus on small task to become better. Not knowing they always move goal post, or that it will give marginal returns, make you seem entitled, and even backfire on you unfortunately not to mention it could justifiably change your boundaries and standards with the women who interest you... In light of your last comment, i try to understand the initial comment: You think women expect men to improve their value, whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:25 AM
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I was more hinting at the fact that we do not want to marry the same people exclusively. Our "1%" is personalized to a high degree. And 1% is plenty, it's not rare
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:10 AM
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Men can too, that is the whole point of wealth, status, education, intelligence, creativity, humor, etc. For men, their mate value is tied even less to their attractiveness than in women, allowing them to punch above their attractiveness level for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:07 AM
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That is called a mate dollar approach. Giving a budget to spend on different levels of expressions of traits. Often with different levels of budgets to spend, corresponding to different mate value levels. Just because most of the red pill are stupid grunts with an ideology, doesn't mean that there isn't science on the topic that contradicts blue pill approaches and is very much in line with red pill in general, just more nuanced. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:05 AM
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I have a gf with anxiety disorder. I learned long ago that there is no way to get to a place where anxiety cannot attack. Anxiety will always find a way, as long as it's there. Even if those guys had certified knowledge that her prior boyfriends had micro dicks (no offense to anyone here, just going with the generel ideas that the insecure guys here seem to have), he would still find a way to be insecure about his desirability as a sexual partner to her. So, it doesn't matter that i remove a lay…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:56 AM
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No, overrating yourself and shooting above your league is evolutionary beneficial and that is why we do exactly that. A study has found us to shoot on average 25% above our own desirability. That doesn't mean that this is successful often, or that it would not on average lead to looksmatched couples, as women do the same. Shooting above your mate value just has an increasingly lower chance of success, the more you deviate from your desirability/mate value, on average. I am just talking about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:52 AM
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You say "still" as if this is every going to change...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:42 AM
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Getting interest is not the point though. It's who you get for what. You don't know who you are filtering out by a certain style of profile. So just take the info from that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:42 AM
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You ask about "the average man" but then continue to just post your own situation, without making clear if you think you are an average guy. Do you want to gather data and calculate an average/median for the ppd demographic who answers? Or do you want only average men to answer? Nobody here can define what an average man is. Are you just talking about face/height? Contrasting experience from a non-average man: I had 5 approaches by women, 2 of which i made out with, and 2 men who wanted to despe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:04 PM
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I'd like to think that you are just bad at rating their attractiveness or overall mate value. It's not that important to be looksmatched, if the overall mate value for the respective person is about equal. This mostly goes hand in hand with somewhat equal attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:34 PM
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Just imagine women are the same, regarding the 1%
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:15 PM
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please, give me the definition of what makes a person creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:12 PM
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how is rolling eyes or making a puking face labeling you a creep?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:11 PM
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"men" .. then you just talk about insecure men who have retroactive jealousy. None of those thoughts ever crossed my mind. If i feel desired by a woman does not depend on her sexual past. Barely any woman has a notable past. Median lifetime sex partners is ~5. Go be with one of those women, who only had serious boyfriends before you (which where also better in bed than you, bigger dick, and she often thinks about them when you fuck her... see, your mind can craft any fear you want)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:01 PM
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You don't need to change culture. Women are already attracted to their below average boyfriends. That's why they are with them. There is no other reason. You just need to open your eyes to see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:30 PM
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Dude, a letter as first contact is creepy. If you don't get that, define what creepiness is in this context. Maybe it's an understanding of the word issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 11:37 AM
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Creepiness, like most other terms have suffered from a broadening of the definition and use cases, and if this keeps going on, will become meaningless. So men will be called creep, despite being just unattractive or annoying. It's a one size fits all term to throw at unwanted male attention. Fine. Other than that: real creepiness can certainly be spotted from afar and the guy does not need to say anything to the woman or even move towards her. Looking at her for a little to long gets him into "d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 11:29 AM
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Then I don't understand your previous comment at all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:36 AM
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Would you marry more than 15% of women and be attracted to them? I think I am in the below 1% range, for how many women are marriage material for me in my dating age bracket.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:27 AM
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So you genuinely believe women don't use their perspectives and emotions to literally define reality?? What? We all define our reality with our perception of it. Mating is a tug of war between the sexes. We have different goals and interest. Men are shaped by what women select for procreation and women are shaped by what the evolutionary fit men select for commitment, roughly speaking. Ah, now i think i see what your issue is. You have been left by the women you were in relationships with, becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:06 PM
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Women expect nothing. Everyone is dating on their level. You are already good enough for the women on your level. Improving is only required when you want higher mate value women, or when you are so low in mate value, that people on that level mostly rather stay single than have a person in their life that subtracts from their overall happiness. Nobody is fucking shifting the goal post. Are you basing your views on social media videos?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:18 PM
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"what love is supposed to look like"? You don't understand much about love nor personalities. Even when that is something you think people should expect out of partners, it still is NOT infantilization. Especially not if it is only happening on one personality dimension and actually rooted in different trait expressions and not just assumed. Treating your partner like a child, regardless of if they need your help or not, is infantilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 04:53 PM
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For the first one: It shouldn't be the norm to expect someone to constantly calm you down. You're an adult. You can manage your emotions a little better than that Tell that to the unstable and neurotic person, lol. You can choose to leave them alone with their panic/neurotic thoughts, or you can use your stable non-neurotic brain to help them stabilize. It's not about infantilization but about helping someone who is not as strong in a certain department as you are. Infantilization affects all ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 04:21 PM
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Not true, but that is also not relevant for anything i said. The "Low mating intelligence also means that the guy is not able to discern the level of interest from the woman before talking to her." This does not mean that, in general, there is a chance that she was not into him before but is into him after he talked to her. It just means that with high mating intelligence, he would have known that this specific woman is no way in hell interested in him, based on the difference of observable, "co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:57 PM
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Dude, it's simple as that. If you are red pilled, you know that increasing your mate value will increase your mating success (mate level of women, frequency of successful mating attempts, number of women potentially interested in you for sex/relationship). What you describe is doomerism and black pill thinking. Nobody expects to do some pushups and get a harem of women. If this is your metric to decide if it's worth it to self improve, you are black pilled, not red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:21 PM
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Nothing is stopping me. I have become way more attractive. Nothing is stopping the results. I would list them, but you wouldn't believe me anyway. I am still improving on different fronts every week.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:14 PM
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Exactly. Complaining about "no good men/women to marry" == I am not a good man/woman to marry for the good men/women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:35 PM
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Mating intelligence literally is how good you are at solving these adaptive problems related to mating. Median values = median results = successful at solving mating related adaptive problems. High mating intelligence = easy. Just like with regular intelligence and problems. Show? You can see that in all the loving relationships. They are still transactional, as are all relationships. But love is a biological process, that just happens. Overcoming the adaptive problems of mating also just happen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:20 PM
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So, they can pick one of the sexy fun men, who exhibit those traits, to marry. They treat it, as if what they want is not available, so the best option is to not marry. While yes, what they want is available on the market. If anything, it is so highly sought after, that the woman in question is not competitive for those men. in which case: increase your mate value or stfu. Same as with the male side of the story. "It's not worth it to marry women these days".... yeah, because you are not fucking…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:03 PM
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what should you get called out on?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 10:24 AM
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The easier and faster you can get sex, the more superior you are as a man. That is the evolutionary basis of the male dominance hierarchy and directly related to evolutionary fitness, in general. But that also makes you husband material in general, because women do not only want to fuck men who have good genes, but also men who will be able to be good fathers and support their genes/the woman. A hookup carried/s consequences for women. Most women don’t understand this; they think these men won’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:55 AM
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. So when I think about marriage as a women I just see being stuck doing the majority of household chores and picking up the slack from a fully grown man. You decide who you marry. Why would you marry a man who doesn't do household chores and slacks, when you can also marry a guy who is doing >50% of the household chores, is the better and more enthusiastic cook, gardener, parent and interior designer?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:05 AM
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What kind of women do rich men generally marry? Same as with everyone else: homogamy. Similarity is ruling mate choice (and friendship choice) in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:00 AM
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HOW DO YOU GET FROM LIKES TO PERCENTAGES WHO SHARE THAT VIEW ?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:31 AM
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So you agree with me that you are delusional about birth rates being basically near zero before the industrial revolution?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:28 AM
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Dolan was proven to have made a severe error, misinterpreting his data. It's ALL over the net. How can you still cite Dolan, when even Dolan has changed his statements regarding that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:26 AM
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i don't see where i put a moral perspective into it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:25 AM
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Observing the actions doesn't tell you about happiness and health. More and more women are opting to stay single than accept a lower quality man or even improve themselves to get a higher quality man That is pure speculation. You have no data on why women are single. BUT MUH TIKTOK! No, that is not a source to base anything on. People LIE on social media to get attention. They LIE to feel better about themselves. Just like all the MGTOW men who cope about their INABILITY to get a woman by saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:23 AM
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o_O what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:17 AM
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right, but i am not an oil company, i am an organic farmer with a PhD in conservation biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:17 AM
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Thanks. I have read the first study you linked and it's just as i said: the problem is violation of social norms. Social norms are able to change and they will when the environment (you cannot keep up social norms against reality) changes. Right now, we are at a point where environment changes but social norms are still not adapted. We have both: lots of male main breadwinners and few female main breadwinners. This is a change from only male breadwinners, which the social norms are still based o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:15 AM
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For people with normal to high mating intelligence, all of that comes natural and is easy. Maybe autists are also fucked in that department. Anyway, if you have trouble with these things, you have low mating intelligence and it will severely affect your mating success and how much you can enjoy all of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:49 AM
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But please, be my guest and explain how likes/watches translate to percentage in the US population.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:44 AM
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How is that infantilization? The first is a strong difference in neuroticism, a normal personality dimension. The second is a strong difference in intellect. The third is a strong difference in self-esteem. The fourth is a strong difference in dominance/assertiveness. The fifth is a strong difference in conscientiousness, another of the 5 big personality dimensions. What you listed are just pairings of people who have large gaps in certain personality traits or dimensions. No infantilization hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:43 AM
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... you need evidence for that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:26 PM
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Scientists asked women... They are not happier single.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:07 PM
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Are you psychotic or delusional? We have records of birth rates before hte industrial revolution. Before the Industrial Revolution (roughly before 1750), birth rates across Europe were high by historical standards. The crude birth rate (CBR) typically ranged between 35 and 45 births per 1,000 people per year, and the total fertility rate (TFR) was generally between 4.5 and 7 children per woman. However, infant and child mortality were also very high, which moderated population growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:05 PM
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You can ask Paul Dolan yourself. He admitted the error. Do you have any other source than Dolan?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:03 PM
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Not true. But feel free to post sources. If your source contains the name Dolan, please read this first: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/6/4/18650969/married-women-miserable-fake-paul-dolan-happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:55 PM
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Nature wants women to be the breadwinners. sure, that's why men want to fuck women all the time and this leads to being pregnant all the time, which leads to not being able to be breadwinners because being pregnant and taking care of children is SOMEHOW in the way of breadwinning
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:54 PM
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In today's dating landscape, many average-looking men struggle to find romantic partners. Totally made up sentence with no meaning. What is "many men"? A felt truth? What do you want us to have in mind for "many". give us a ballpark percentage and what you base that on. What is struggling? Life is a struggle, and dating is part of life. Or how difficult is dating? More than usual living? What does struggling in dating mean? Swiping on apps and not getting a match with a hot woman? In fact, a sig…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:51 PM
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pass port bros prove nothing about 30yo men who go for 20yo women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:32 PM
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you can personally use their online tool to recreate my graph as an excel table and then do the graph yourself. This is the most verifyable data you will ever come across. https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:27 PM
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What? No, we cannot agree to this. There is no basis to assume that and i am not aware of any data to support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:05 PM
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What is something you can't do and still be mature?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:03 PM
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Yes they did. To the west of the Hajnal line, about half of all women aged 15 to 50 years of age were married at any given time while the other half were widows or spinsters; to the east of the line, about seventy percent of women in that age bracket were married at any given time while the other thirty percent were widows or nuns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_pattern
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:02 PM
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Not here, but in the type of threads you identified, it's always either gotchas or double standards
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:59 PM
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Are you new to the internet and social media? Watches and likes do not tell you anything about how common the people who say these things are in the population. But please, be my guest and explain how likes/watches translate to percentage in the US population. Influencers advertise products/services. They have nothing to do with our topic of how common specific views are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:58 PM
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That graph IS SEVEN INDEPENDENT SURVEYS/SOURCES THAT TELL THE SAME STORY. If you would plug in the pew studies on that of the last years, with homosexual men removed form the dataset, you would get the same trendline. Using ONE study with extreme results is what is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:55 PM
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?! They threaten to re-educate men.. that is equally dangerous to society and way more likely to happen. Jokes aside: single men are paper tigers with regards to "if you don't have sex with us we will opt out of society and you need us". We are just starting to replace all humans with AI/robots/machines. We are perfectly able to pacify hordes of incels with porn, games, entertainment, fastfood, social media and drugs. The good thing about incels is that they do not have the ability to band toget…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:40 PM
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No, sex partners can be as dumb as they come. Relationship partners do require a minimum of maturity and knowledge, intellect, etc. A spelling test is usually automatically provided when chatting with them. Signs of "per say" levels of "bone apple tea"-savagery lead to rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:34 PM
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You don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:24 PM
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Middle ages in Europe had lower marriage rates than we have now
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:24 PM
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It's always incel trying to do gotchas and reveal double standards. As if ANYONE cared.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:23 PM
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You have NO idea how the girls on tiktok map onto percentages in the population. You could see 100 videos of girls saying X on tiktok in a row, and their frequency in the population is 0.1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:21 PM
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Mating intelligence. Understand your mate value and that of others. Nobody is offended if someone who is equal mate value approaches. The reaction you describe is based on falsely assuming same mate value. Low mating intelligence also means that the guy is not able to discern the level of interest from the woman before talking to her. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:16 PM
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You think confidence is the only thing that is required to be accepted as a mate? You think that is what women say when they say confidence is attractive or that they want a confident man? How delusional are you? OBVIOUSLY there is a load of other traits and criteria that need to be met for an individual woman to be attracted to an individual man. The average attractive Guy2 cold approached a woman way out of his league, insulting her in the process. He has low mating intelligence, not being abl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:15 PM
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I am just sick and tired of people thinking they are way more mature than younger people, while obviously not even having high school level knowledge about the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 01:17 PM
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You select a timeframe of that data that meets your narrative and ignore the 50 year trend in the very source of your data. Are you really sure you have a degree in social sciences? WHat the FUCK is the relevance of male and female singleness rates from 50 years ago? I select a range of past years to show how the current data point is in line with what other samples are showing, and that it is not an outlier in the whole cloud of datapoints on that matter. The PEW study, on the other hand, IS su…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 01:15 PM
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How do you know what people are rejected for? Isn't it wrong to assume you get rejected for your looks, when the woman tells you it's for a different reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:52 PM
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BUT if you’re sitting between 25th and 50th percentile on most of the important metrics, then honestly, in highly competitive markets like Europe or North America, I’d personally advocate for mostly giving up. How rare is it to be 25th percentile or more, in 6 of the important metrics? Only 17.8% of the population meet that criteria. So you would be in the top 20% of men, for being at least 25th percentile in those 6 traits. 82.2% of the population are below 25th percentile in at least one of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:50 PM
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again, no problem with your choice to not mate. The only problem i have is when you try to find something that is "wrong" with women or the mating ("modern dating") in general, that leads to you not being able to be with a person you are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:39 PM
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You still can't provide another study that shows similar singleness levels as the PEW one. Bring another one. All the others show a very different result. YOU are the one who clings to fringe data that supports your view, and rejects all other. Sex frequency is affected by alcohol, gaming, living with parents. Are you even reading the fucking 3 sentences i gave you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:36 PM
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Short, for you. Just give me ONE source of data besides the one pew study and We have less casual sex because of drinking less alcohol, playing more games and living with parents for longer. and You suck at social science.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:22 PM
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A shitty offer is someone who is way below your market value for relationships. A reasonable offer is someone who is close to your market value for relationships. A catch is someone who is considerably above your market value for relationships and they want you because you have a unique thing about yourself, that the market on average doesn't value highly, but this one person does, making them about equal in mate value compared to you, in their view. What is "shitty" and "reasonable" changes dep…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:20 PM
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Sure there is nothing wrong with staying single. But stop complaining that more attractive women don't want you, when you don't even want your equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:15 PM
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Hes framing it in terms of winning, and dudes in the top 25% win 75% of every 'coin flip'. WHAT THE FUCK MAN? Dudes in the top 25% win 75% of every coin flip? This makes no sense at all. You probably think women will select you when you pass 5 gates (in this example) and every gate has a chance for you to pass through that is determined by "your percentile in the trait's distribution"? And a dude with 5 traits at 75th percentile would pass each gate with 75% chance, for a total of ~24% chance to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:11 PM
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Nobody said anything about getting top tier women. You get women of your own league.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:00 PM
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Why would a woman need to settle for someone she isn't attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:58 AM
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Those guys also have no friends. Are terminally online. Have no social skills and ask questions like "where do you even meet women", and mental health issues on top of that. Those are things that need to be addressed and a relationship will follow. Attractiveness is the least of their issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:57 AM
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This study looked for preferred partners, not the ones women actually get into relationships with. An unattractive women can prefer the attractive men all she wants. She is not going to get them for a relationship. These studies are about relative trait importance/priority in a setting with unlimited mate value. You need to look at studies with different mate value budgets in the women. You can see how they spend their budget on different levels of traits. Also, keep in mind, everything is avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:54 AM
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because there's alot of cruel and sick men out there who divorce their wives for aging. I don't think you can support that with evidence. Unless you define "a lot" as 150 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:29 AM
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Money IS groceries. "Getting them" is no providing them. You can set up a fucking delivery service to send you your groceries to your door every week/day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:53 AM
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Were are those studies? Also, just because they haven't fared well in the past, doesn't mean they will in the future. We are at a point in time where dynamics shift and culture adapts to that. Not having children was viewed as weird a couple of decades ago. Not being married, not being religious, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:52 AM
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We don't live in tribes in 2025 in the West. Half of the young population is single and takes on ALL the roles: getting the difficulty resource AND the mass resource. We do not have the situation of women being pregnant all the time, having to care for 5-10 children. Most of the tedious tasks required for upkeep are done by machines. The "difficult" resource is sent to you from the governement if you don't want to or can't do the work. The environment changed heavily. I am not even talking about…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:50 AM
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What is the evidence for that? I'd really like to read it if you have any sources for that claim. Sperm count is way above what is considered "low" for up to age ~60 on average. Sure, getting pregnant my take some more attempts. And i absolutely see how age is a major correlate for birth defects/pregnancy issues, etc. But not due to age, but due to how people change on average with age. Lifestyle effects take their toll on people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:47 AM
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You need to be in the TOP 25% in 5 categories to get a 23.7% chance. (Assumption: independent variables) No. At least top 25% in 5 categories is 0.0977%​ chance or about 1 in 1024 men. Only ~0.1% of men would be attractive to women, if you needed to be top 25% in 5 categories. You're calculating the probability of independent events occurring simultaneously. This uses the multiplication rule: P(A∩B∩C∩D∩E)=P(A)⋅P(B)⋅P(C)⋅P(D)⋅P(E) And the chance to be in the top 25% of a given trait is P(A/B/C/D/…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:40 AM
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I've read the new science on that. Especially the epigenetic changes introduced by lifestyle. Made a mental note, that i would optimize my lifestyle for sperm quality, in case i want to have kids in the next years. In fact, a man’s age and health affect not just conception, but the entire pregnancy outcome. It's mostly health and lifestyle (stress, obesity, smoking, drugs, mental health, etc), though, right? Age plays a minor role, especially for the actually relevant age demographic of men that…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:18 AM
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Pro tipp: young women do not stay young women long term. Yes, most women do not want casual sex. But even fewer women aged 20 want a 10+ year age gap RELATIONSHIP. You are more likely go go out clubbing and fuck a drunk 20yo at the afters every couple of months, than finding a 20yo for a relationship every ~3 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:47 AM
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Sex partners is THE evolutionary relevant metric for male success, when you cannot count offspring and their fitness level directly. How do you measure success? And why does shortness affect it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:43 AM
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That's not even remotely true, unless you base your assessment of "bad" on very fringe (moral) values. Societies are based on shared values. Social norms ensure people keep to shared values. Shaming is a tool to enforce this. Laws are ways to enforce this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:39 AM
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Please, show that data. I am pretty sure that doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:37 AM
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No need to be in a romantic relationship then. Just do casual sex with them. What could possibly be wrong with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:37 AM
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There are always opportunities for abuse in every relationship. If the abuse actually happens is the metric by which we should judge relationships/partners. I have a 13 year age gap relationship and there is no abuse happening. My sex partners are mostly 15-20years younger and there is also no abuse happening. Don't judge a relationship by the age gap, but by what is actually happening in terms of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:21 AM
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Dude, if you can't get a date with women your age when you are 30+, you will not be competitive for 20yo women, who look better than the women you can't get dates with currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:17 AM
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63% of men are not single. That is young men only. And that is only one study. No other study EVER had similar levels of male singleness at that age. Maybe accept that the study sample was not representative. This is long term GSS data. Men just prefer younger women and women prefer older men. An age gap of 3 years nullified the difference in singleness between men and women. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:14 AM
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But barely anyone is getting those for sex. The age gap levels are rare for relationships, and regarding casual sex, very few people have lots of casual sex and even fewer have that with a huge age gap. For most men, that is just a fantasy and not a pulling factor that is strong enough to actually put in the effort to have casual sex with 20yo women when having a 10+ age gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:08 AM
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isn't wrong, per say, It's "per se". So much for comparatively inexperienced. How could you get to your age and not READ one instance of this experession that was not wrong? It's latin, not english. Any 20 year old woman would know this if she paid attention in school.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:06 AM
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For the majority of average men, especially in their early to mid-20s, this creates a challenge. At that age, most haven’t yet achieved career success, and many aren’t considered conventionally attractive enough to stand out in the dating market. As a result, many young men struggle to form relationships during this period. You do not need career success to have a relationship in your early 20s. You do not need to "stand out" in the mating market. ~50% of men are not standing out. That is imposs…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:57 AM
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So you need to be bottom 25% on 5-6 key attributes for desirability, to not be picked by women. That seems about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:23 AM
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Rutgers researchers found that between 2007 and 2017, a ~33% decline in casual sex among men and ~25% among women was explained by less frequent alcohol use—a key disinhibitor for casual encounters
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:19 AM
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<image> 5'6 guys (167cm) do have 10 sex partners on average. Just ~3 less than average and tall guys. It's not your height dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:14 AM
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Juice not worth the squeeze situtation in my humble opinion. You are not happy with a 25th percentile woman when you area 25th percentile man for a committed relationship? Talk about unrealistic standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:10 AM
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How are women picky? All the data we have shows assortative mating/homogamy. Committed relationships happen between equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:09 AM
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No, rejecting lots of shit offers does not make you picky when you accept a reasonable offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:07 AM
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You just said: Pretending you’re righteous when you’re following attraction is what is the problem But following attraction has nothing to do with righteousness. Which you just agreed to. ?! or didn't clarify why you see a difference between being righteous and being bad/good in that context
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:58 AM
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If we're having LESS casual sex, wouldn't most reasonable people infer dating is now harder? Yes. I have graduate degree training in social science. I understand how survey data works and the flaws with it. You can make criticisms on any source of data, including yours. LOL. If you think you can infer this, my view of social science just dropped even lower. There are lots of articles and research on the net, giving explanations and reasons for why we are seeing less casual sex. https://www.rutge…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:56 AM
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The studies i have read do not support this. here, take height as a quick indicator that you are wrong: <image> Men at every height level have sex. On average 10-15 sex partners, median being ~5. If you have 0, that is not due to height. Same goes with facial attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:41 AM
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Almost every highly promiscuous guy is conventionally good looking 100% sure you cannot back that up with data. It's a coping narrative or biased perception, you fell victim to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:39 AM
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Men being single is also a women's problem. Women also want to be in relationships, and when the pool of possible partners is much smaller, a lot of women are going to not get a committed partner as well. They don't need to be in a relationship to be happy. Yeah, not while they are below 25 or maybe 30. Try being single all your life. Same goes for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:37 AM
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I already have. The burden of proof now falls on you. You are lieing again. If you had achieved all of what i listed, then you had already proven that it's not working and wouldn't have to ask for proof that i would work. One final say from me: the next time you have a romantic moment with your SO or random woman, be glad that you get to have the privilege of having such experience. Dude, it's not a privilege to work hard to become an attractive romantic partner or sexual partner. In sociology a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:40 PM
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No, that incorporates the same of your values in the judgment: You are not righteous when you are following attraction. == following attraction is being hte bad young.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:23 PM
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What someone goes for does not determine if sharing is happening. You would have to actually GET what you want (sex). Also, strictly speaking, you only share a sex partner while you have a sexual relationship with them or are currently having sex with them and other people. If you marry my ex girlfriend, you don't share her with me. The top 5% of men (and women), regarding sex partner count, have more than double the sex partner counts than the bottom 50% combined. The promiscuous men and women …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:11 PM
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Prove that those things do not guarantee to have a romantic/sex life. Cause again I used to have all of those traits about me and I still do on some of them. Bullshit, dude, you had nothing of that. You half assed everything, just watched some videos and then tried dating apps with no success and gave up. Like every other incel on this board. Nobody could ever tell me what did specifically achieved with regards to becoming attractive and what they specifically did to meet and talk to new single …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:55 PM
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They say that it's possible for people to appreciate each other for differing hobbies, but I find it hard to believe them. Why? Because people like the women in this thread from a few months ago exist: All men with nerdy interests in my social environment are in relationships. I have nerdy hobbies and i have had fulfilling relationships with women who do not share the nerdy hobbies. The subreddit ADHD_Partners exists, a subreddit that seems to exist purely for people stuck in relationships with …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:44 PM
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How is following attraction being the bad guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:30 PM
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How can you convinced of something you did not even read up on? I just gave you a hint where to look at. What exactly do you know about the differences of brain reward center reacting to having a new sexual partner when it comes to men and women? NOTHING. And with this non-existing knowledge you come to the conclusion, that it's not convicing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:30 PM
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This is what you are speaking on i was sticking to the subject about men having it easier in dating when it came to getting a partner. Dude, you talked about loneliness with me. That is NOT about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:12 PM
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What do you mean by "became skinnier"? Did you have an attractive body or not? https://bonytobeastly.com/most-attractive-male-body-survey-results/#2-the-most-attractive-degree-of-leanness https://bonytobeastly.com/most-attractive-male-body-survey-results/#1-the-most-attractive-degree-of-muscularity You went to therapy, but did you overcome the issue and leave it in the past? You tried new hobbies, but did you keep doing them and did they bring you into contact with new single women that you actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:12 PM
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No, i am talking about the brain reward system of men. Biology. Evolution. Go read about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:55 PM
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See, i knew you have no idea about what casual sex is for men. Not here to spend my time teaching women about casual sex. That is too much mental load put on me, when you could also just educate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:44 PM
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You have this view that really nothing has changed. Dating apps affect nothing. Of course they affected something. There is a minority of people who found their partner through dating apps. People use dating apps for casual sex, to cheat, etc. But it still is just an add on to existing ways to date. Dating apps are way more competitive than real life dating. It did not make people have more casual sex. We are having LESS casual sex than before dating apps. Dating apps did not make women have ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:40 PM
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Remember tho we are talking about dating No we are talking about loneliness. Not having no romantic partner. Which is not even in the same ballpark. I know it isnt that hard to find them you just dont want to find them as it goes against your beliefs so no surprise there. I would love to believe that men are more lonely. It's even my subjective impression. But i am a scientist and i go with what the data suggests. NINE LONGITUDINAL STUDIES about loneliness showed that women are more lonely than …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:21 PM
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Gourmet meals do not come to your door for commitment, unless you are a gourmet meal yourself. I don't think you understand the male mating role. Men don't do something to get attention. That is the female role. Men just go up to the women who did something to get their attention and chat with her, express their interest and see if it's mutual. that is not struggling. that is being in the driver's seat of your mating efforts. Instead of being in the role of having to HOPE that the guy you want a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:17 PM
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Men love it way more than women. How was that not clear?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:12 PM
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This subreddit or what people see on tiktok is not representative of the population. It says nothing about if "men" struggle or to what degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:11 PM
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Loneliness is not about being appraoched. Do you even understand loneliness? You can only self report it. It's different from being alone. Dude, you lie. There are no sources to support your statements. You have problems posting links? Do you think i am an idiot? Post the link without the syntax that makes it a link. Just remove the freaking dots.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:00 PM
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What is dishonest about that? You give me a quote with no basis as your evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 04:57 PM
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How did you make up for your flaws? I could prove you wrong, if you actually made up your flaws by getting an attractive body. By getting an attractive lifestyle, hobbies, friends, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 04:56 PM
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So your argument now is based on this? Social demographer Michael J. Rosenfeld, one of the architects of HCMST, told The Atlantic in April that the true percentage of people who meet on dating apps is between 25% and 30% — a figure that has stayed “pretty consistent” since 2017. Which follows to this: By 2017, about five years after Tinder introduced the swipe, more than a quarter of different-sex couples were meeting on apps and dating websites, according to a study led by the Stanford sociolog…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:49 PM
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Are you somehow actively missing the point? Meeting ONLINE is not the same as MEETING THROUGH AN ONLINE DATING APP. You are the one with incredibly dishonest comments. How can my comment be dishonest when i just tell you what the data says and link you to the source of the data? Show me the contradictory evidence. All you did was give me the data for "met online", which is not what we talk about. Give me data about online dating apps. It'S not productive to have a conversation with you, when you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:26 PM
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No, i am a man, in a relationship with a woman. Anytime i "struggled" with getting what i wanted from/with women, it was 100% my own fault for not approaching/talking to them, for not being more forward with my advances, for viewing myself in a bad light, for being fat or uninteresting, for sitting alone at home and gaming 24/7, for not crafting a life for me, even just temporarily, where i meet new single women regularly, etc. Those are basic things to change. Come on, man, do you really think …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:14 PM
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Women can be attracted to men for other things than their looks. That is often enough to fall in love
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:05 PM
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I don't think OP or any other men are salty because the women simply aren't attracted to them. It's more of a "different rules for different guys" and the fact that attraction feels conditional that most guys have a problem with. Different rules for different guys IS about attraction. A man a woman is attracted to is welcome to behave differently with her than a guy she is not attracted to. The guy doesn't meet the conditions for being attractive to the woman. This is what he is salty about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:01 PM
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You are mixing up viewpoints of very different people here. There are both men and women who don't like casual sex and prefer their partners to also not engage in it. Others view it as insecure and old fashioned, which can be, and often is going hand in hand with that preference. It's mostly based in sociosexual orientation, though. Then there is the behavior that is not your own, but that of others. You can be sociosexually restricted, but still be open about other people doing what they want i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:59 PM
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men have a very hard time even getting a first date What do you base that on? What is a "very hard time"? How does that look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:44 PM
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I hate to be blunt with this but it’s true Wow, can you please find a post here where this hasn't been said in either the OP or the comments? Stating it doesn't make it true though. You would need to have logical arguments or data to get into the direction of truth. versus a man who is likely to die alone Men are not likely to die alone. They are MORE likely to die alone, but it's not due to finding a mate being such a great struggle. because I’m sick of the narrative that it’s equal You being s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:43 PM
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Do you have any actual data/studies/articles on that claim? All i got over the last years, is that ~12% of young people meet their partners over online dating apps. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/trackers/how-brits-meet-their-partners?crossBreak=2549 The 18-24yo demographic has a LOWER (~10%) percentage to meet their on dating apps, compared to the 25-49yo, who are at 14%. And of course it's that way. As ways to meet partners dwindle with age (fewer friends, fewer social activities, no coll…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:22 PM
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No they don't. The studies are about meeting ONLINE, not online dating apps. If you have other studies, bring them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:55 AM
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Nice story, but how does it prove he was not socially awkward or a loser? It very much sounds like it. Getting compliments for his looks hardly makes him not a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:49 AM
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She is right though. All the data we have points to attractiveness being a poor indicator of sex partner count. It's mostly (90%+) other factors, that explain the variance in sex partner count. You are the one who is clinging to an ideological viewpoint with no data to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:47 AM
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That is a myth. Everyone has sex. Attractiveness /height only weakly correlate with number of sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:45 AM
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women love it as much as anyone I don't think you understand what having a new sexual partner does for men on average. it's MUCH more than just the act of having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:43 AM
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Never said I was. Yet we both know there are men out there who aren’t ripped and muscular who are in relationships. Yeah but maybe they are not autistic, ugly, socially isolated, poor, in a rural area with no suitable partners, etc. If you have unattractive features in some areas, you need to improve other areas to "make up" for that. Like i said, you just give up because you are too lazy to make up for your flaws. No have no excuse for not being ripped and muscular, if you really wanted to have…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:33 AM
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Dating apps or a small part of the dating world. How many likes someone gets is a poor indicator of if they will be single in the future. Let's deal with the actual data we have on singles, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:28 AM
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No, you didn't tell me how to find it. You hoped that there will be sources to support your claims but couldn't find them yourself. What i find when i google what you suggested is: A Gallup survey last year discovered that men and women are equally lonely. Eileen Graham, associate professor of social sciences at Northwestern University, analyzed nine longitudinal studies of loneliness and found that women self-report being lonely more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:23 AM
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No, it does count. But it is a single data point. How about we add it to the pool of other data we have to get a better picture? How about we use data from last year and the years before the Pew study of 2023? Again, please, show me ANY data source that shows similar levels to the pew study of 2023. I would be so happy if you could. I have searched the internet up and down for years. Haven't found anything. If you have got it, PLEASE show it to us. Nobody in this sub EVER was able to produce ano…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 09:36 PM
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That was the ELI5 version. Put it into chatgpt if you still need more explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:42 PM
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Again, how about you bring some fucking data into this debate? Crawl back to your echochamber, where you get confirmation for your ideas...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:40 PM
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So now it's irrelevant. The comment before you used the "male loneliness epidemic" for your argument. when more people than ever are clearly incapable of getting the outcomes that they want - how exactly is that easy? Show me how you know what people want. When i tell you that 6/10 singles do not look for dates, you hallucinate the reason: they gave up. Instead of maybe accepting they get what they want: not a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:39 PM
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the data we have indicates the opposite of what OP is claiming. more singles than ever, people having less sex, feeling more isolated and lonely, marriage rates going down, more people complaining about dating than even just a few decades ago and so on. That does not support "struggling".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:37 PM
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Funny how nobody ever is able to give me the source for their claims...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:37 PM
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That's why we don't use singular surveys of small samples, but trendlines over years. Or why don't you take the data from 2024, where women are more single than men? Doesn#t fit your ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:36 PM
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Hard to imagine that you are a ripped and muscular incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:35 PM
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I made it myself from publicly available data from the general social survey of the US. but most of the data we have show that a much larger percentage of men under 30 are single Name ONE such source that is not pew research. but it's a much more significant phenomenon than what you represent here as far as the size of the age gap and what it produces. Elaborate and/or show the source for this claim
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:33 PM
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Sure, the dating experience changed. But the outcomes didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 09:29 AM
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Well I’m not a young man though. I’m about to be 31 in a few days. 31 with no experience. Yes, you are part of the very most extreme tiny percentage of men. Like most of the guys in this sub. That's why you guys get the feeling you are part of "the average guys", because lots of men around you "online" are as extreme as you. But you are really you the most extreme sub 1% on the population. I have the 15+ years of constant negative reinforcement to back it up. You also probably have 15 years of n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 09:28 AM
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Please, help me and post them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 09:18 AM
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Online, not online dating apps, is the number 1 place for couples to meet. Yes, but dating apps are not the place to meet for everyone. It's the place to meet for competitive profiles. I found my gf on Bumble. I found dozens of sex partners on dating apps. That doesn't mean that every guy should focus on dating apps to find the same. If someone hasn't gotten dates from apps in months: stop using them. Only ever use apps in addition to real life dating efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 09:17 AM
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you mean.... we have been living in an equal society for years already?! But why do i feel so oppressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:56 AM
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No, an R² of 0.02 does not imply that attractive men have only "2% more partners." It means attractiveness alone poorly predicts individual variation, but can still correspond to substantial average group (like between unattractive, average, attractive groups) differences. It means that 2% of the variation in men's reported number of sexual partners can be statistically attributed to their rated attractiveness, across a sample. The remaining 98% is due to other factors (e.g. personality, status,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:52 AM
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It's mostly men who complain about feeling lonely? I have not seen data on who complains most about loneliness, but women do complain more in general. Women complain more frequently and more explicitly, especially in medical and consumer contexts. Men complain less often and less openly, but may experience similar dissatisfaction levels. but I would be willing to bet that the majority of people who are genuinely very lonely are men. I just posted the data. Men and women are lonely to the same de…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:36 AM
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about 5-6% of young men are incels/long term without relationship despite wanting that. It's a function of age, and women are pretty much in the same situation. https://preview.redd.it/vupxwsu37xaf1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=a53aac201d58da2c0265f47297fce7a0f270fbfc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:51 PM
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You can only FEEL lonely. There is no way to measure it any other way, than to ask people how they feel and how often and to what degree. There might be all kinds of things affecting surveys on loneliness. Several western states have made loneliness a major issue. Appointed ministers for loneliness. Put in lots of money and hours into finding out about loneliness and how to address it. If you find ANYTHING that points to men being more lonely overall than women, please, feel free to post it. Unt…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:49 PM
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i believe the studies. What do you believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:46 PM
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you don't choose whom you fall in love with. Once you are in love, you want to be in a relationship with that person. Trust evolution. There are a ton of men who are extremely frustrated with how the dating scene is right now. Because they have been fed the lie that they can have anyone, unlimited casual sex and all from their couch, with dating apps. Also, it's a tiny minority of men who are frustrated. Average looking guys are OVERWHELMINGLY in relationships when they want to be in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:25 PM
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There are women even less desirable than you, who would love to have a partner and who have no other option that guys of your mate value. You can accept that and go with them, or you can choose to rather be single than with someone of your mate value level. But that does not make dating hard for men. If you are an outlier, speak only for yourself and not for men, or even "average men".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:14 PM
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No true scotsman? You are hiding behind your assumed ugliness. Studies show that attractiveness and height barely have an influence on sex partner count. Why would you be the exception?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:55 PM
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Based on what? as far as i know: studies say that dating apps have not changed how much attractiveness influences sex partner count. Women have not become pickier in who they date. If you have data on that, please show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:53 PM
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because of the fucking age gap preference. You need to shift the age bracket by 3 years if you want to compare relationship rates in any meaningful way. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:46 PM
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There is attraction between ugly people. Love makes that happen. you know, evolution does work for ugly people too. We need to be attracted to each other, so we stay together and raise kids. You are wrong about your fears that no woman will ever find you attractive. There are countless examples of men as ugly as you, who are in relationships with women who love them and find them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:45 PM
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I support the idea, that when the overwhelming majority of men do find partners in a reasonable timeframe, when they want to be in a committed relationship, that it cannot be unreasonably hard. Mating is competitive by nature. If it wasn't, we would all end up with terrible partners. We expect others to put in effor to be attractive for us, and we have to do the same. Everyone selects their own difficulty level in mating, by how far below or above the preferred mate should be in mate value. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:37 PM
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Now you are moving the goal post. I don't know and it doesn't matter if or how much attraction there is for a partner. The goal was to have a partner. If you want to be desired like Chad, or imagine, that Chad is more desired than you, you are sabotaging your own life. Attractiveness has very little impact on relationship satisfaction. Read the studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:01 PM
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Well, you are 15 years older now. Of course you don't date the same women now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:57 PM
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That is your problem. You use dating apps. Stop using them, stop using reddit and instagram/tiktok and start your offline life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:55 PM
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Where is the evidence that it's not easy? When you look at sex frequency and relationship statistics for men (Aged 21-32) and women (aged 18-29), you see the same rate of singleness and the same sex frequency in a year. 3 year age gap is the preferred pairing in that demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:52 PM
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being ugly does not prevent people from finding partners. Ugly partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:49 PM
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`The date we have also doesn't support the claim that men are struggling
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:47 PM
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Where are the studies that show that it's hard for men to find a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:47 PM
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All those men are not putting in any effort besides swiping on apps. I have yet to see evidence to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:46 PM
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That is the argument: if putting in zero effort doesn't lead to having a girlfriend, that means dating is hard for men. duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:44 PM
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<image> There is no MALE loneliness epidemic. It affects men and women to the same degree
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:43 PM
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If you account for the preferred ~3 year age gap in young people's relationships, you see men and women, as is expected, to be in committed relationships to the same degree and pretty stable over the last 12 years. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:40 PM
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Even if there was, how is that evidence for dating being hard? Why is it so hard to imagine that lifestyle changes lead people to just not WANT to be in committed relationships to the same degree it was 20 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:39 PM
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No, women only date up. No, women and men date their equals in mate value on average. We have all the studies in the world to back that up. It's called homogamy. There is a large pool of unnattractive men that get absolutely zero attention from women. What does that mean? They still have about the same number of sex partners as attractive men. As i said, 2% of the variance in sex partners is explained by attractiveness. If you doubt that, bring the studies to prove it. The way you are framing it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:19 PM
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Friends, like romantic couples, are mostly similar to each other. Vast differences in attractiveness are uncommon. Unattractive men do have female friends who are likely also unattractive. But as you claimed that men who have sex also have female friends: men of all attractiveness levels have sex. Attractiveness only explains 2% of the variance in sex partner counts in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:20 PM
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Are you willfully ignorant that there are men and women in male/female dominated spaces, jobs and hobbies, that have very little shared interests with the other sex and mostly find thee other sex boring/not interesting, becaues of that lack of shared interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:33 PM
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No there is an average difference in interests between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:22 PM
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Dude, that is the whole point of "make female friends!". The underlying mechanic is: Become a person that woman want to be friends with. Become an person women want to be friends with first, then take the next step of meeting women who find you attractive as a sex partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:21 PM
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Let's call it cause and effect. Let's leave morals about "good" and "bad" out of the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:53 PM
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It came from a time where the situation was, that men make way more than women. Now, things change, and so does the requirement for men to make way more than women. Women mostly earn money when in relationships. Increasing amounts of young women earn more than their relatiosnhip partner. Change happens along with a change of the situation of men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 11:31 AM
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It's not a norm, it's an ideal, based on the situation we had in the past. When men on average make way more than women, than, on average, you will find pairings of men and women, where the men makes more. It's what results of the situation, automatically. This carries over to what people think is normal, and going against that, is unusual and not sought after. When everyone has a man that makes more, why would you want to go for one who makes less than you? Now, with a slowly changing environme…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:41 AM
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Stand up for yourself. Don't you think it's humiliating if a woman intervenes when another woman makes a penis joke towards you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:33 AM
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Difference of interests, due to biology and culture. Just look at how sex segregated lots of hobbies and jobs are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:31 AM
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But they still want to be with a man who earns more, has better social status , stronger and more powerful than her. How is that connected to having the same rights? Don't you/or men by extension, want to be with a woman who is more beautiful than you are? Who has higher sexual market value than you? Nothing wrong in wanting those things. Ironically the feminist women who are more likely to believe in equality are also the greatest defender of dating roles in dating. Please, we need evidence for…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:28 AM
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The answer is that they have a huge ego and a lot of it is due to fear. You think that female birds also do not approach the male birds because of their huge ego and fear? We have this pattern in basically all sexually reproducing species where females have large, immobile gametes and males have tiny mobile gametes. This biological fact leads to male competition over females, female choosiness, male non-choosiness and the general trend of men approaching women way more than in reverse. Culture f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:19 AM
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at which point is our society equal in your opinion? Your society will be equal, when it doesn't matter if a political representative is a man or a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:28 AM
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How is "by the age of 35" the marriage rate for the population? It's the marriage rate of the 35yo+ demographic. Sorry, i meant lonely, not alone. If you are not lonely, despite women invading your male spaces etc, what is the problem? If you can do it, others can as well. Male friendships are not restricted or limited in any way by women. You can do whatever you want with your male peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:24 AM
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How many women find porn, as an overall concept, digsutsing? 50%? Just read a study yesterday that found 1/3 of women watch porn regularly, 1/3 watch it sometimes, and 1/3 never watch porn. Women contrast men, and that's annoying. It is that simple. If we admit this, then it's a reasonable ask for women to tone down their hyper-sensitivity to men's annoyance with female sexuality as well. To have some tolerance and acknowledgment for that. Women are already tolerating male sexuality to a very hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:18 AM
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Well, you are factually wrong that attractiveness is an important factor in how many sex partners you have. The black pill is factually wrong. Yet "you" keep posting that nonsense. Of course we are getting hostile, when lies are repeated to cope and rid yourself of accountability for your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:54 AM
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The majority of people are in committed relationships. The majority of the rest are currently not looking for dates/a relationship. Of the people who are looking for dates, a tiny minority is not getting dates. And of those, a minority is bitter. And of those, you likely only meet a minority in real life, as the rest is lonely at home. I haven't met a single bitter about dating person in the last year in real life. At least not one that made it known to me, or made me feel like they are bitter a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:49 AM
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What you forget is that we do looksmaxxing on top of all the other things we need to maxx. And we are not even getting the attention for it like women do. I would spend all my time in the gym and counting calories, clean eating, doing yoga and putting on serums and stuff on my skin, if i would get the same sexual desire from women for it, like women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:11 AM
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why do you have to close the club when a yt channel is attacked? Seems like you were forced to close for legal reasons, and not for women wanting to participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:59 AM
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What kind of a bad patriarch are you, that you let women invade your space and let them bitch you out of spending time with your male friends? Grow a pair of balls dude. It's ridiculous. Nobody is keeping you from meeting friends, except you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:56 AM
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Boy scouts opened for girls while girl scouts were against that change. Boy scouts were dieing in membership numbers and needed to open for girls to survive. They are still dieing. It's a different time. Also, none of the men here are boy scout age.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:55 AM
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We are not discussing non-western mating dynamics here, usually. Since you are not even revealing what country/culture you are on about, and chatgpt says there are no countries with 92%+ marriage rate, i just have a basic answer for you: you are alone because you CHOOSE to spend your time alone or with non-fulfilling social contacts. You don't need to hold hands to not feel lonely. You don't need male only spaces to not feel lonely. You don't need to have single friends to not feel lonely. You j…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:53 AM
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1/20 or 5% means nothing, when you don't have the information of who was approached, where, when, etc. Completely random cold approach in a random inner city at daytime during the week? Drunk women in a club setting who are alone at 3am in the morning? Middle aged women in a wine bar on Sunday evening, 4 glasses in?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:48 PM
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Craft a body to attract views when dancing topless. Dress for the scene. Take a couple of grams of Mephedrone/MDMA into a Berlin techno club. Talk to women, actively listen to them and give them what they need (attention, loss of control, validation, whatever your target group) offer drugs, have a good time. Make out, have oral sex in the toilet, offer to take her home to your fancy inner city apartment for an afterhour, where you have already prepared everything to make her drop her panties and…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:18 PM
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Yes, i am very attractive, but that is not the reason why. You should have learned that by now. Attractiveness is 2% of the variance of sex partner counts. I can go to sex/kinky-parties 5 days of the week, where there are sexually open, promiscuitive, women, high on libido increasing drugs, who are used to having lots of sex partners, groupsex, weekend long sex parties with people they just met in the club, etc. I see the sub-average men have sex in those situations. Fame and money are irrelevan…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:06 PM
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Ah, someone who did not even read the wiki article chimes in to tell me what "science" is. Great. Sit down girl and take a class of statistics. It's called five FACTOR model for a reason. Learn something about principal component analysis, and while you do that, look at the SPECTRUM results of the big 5. It's not 5 types, it's an "infinite" amount of different personalities, depending on your exact placement on the 5 dimensions/subscales.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:59 PM
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i don't know about your life, but flirting is a constant dance around interpreting signals, breaking boundaries and risking something. Everyone knows and understands, that in this business, errors are bound to happen, and unless the transgression is WAY over the bounds, people are VERY much giving people the benefit of the doubt. It's always assumed that someones wanted to play along and go with the flow and what was assumed to be the new personal social boundary between the people involved. Sig…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:57 PM
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You can have the party without actually marrying, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:15 PM
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Because attractiveness doesn't make you WANT to have more sex partners. It's the wanting (personality) that is way more responsible for the overall sex partner count. I could have 2 new sex partners a week if i wanted to. But i don't. But there are people who do. And they have triple digit sex partners, regardless of their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:13 PM
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Clearly, OP is not a good woman. That's why she needs to morally manipulate others into believing that they are only good people if they support her life and the life of her family financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:09 PM
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A good woman helps me support my parents financially. Somehow there are no good women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:07 PM
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Haven't you seen the insane virginity metrics we have there years ? There are no insane virginity metrics these years. Post them if you have them. Please, not 2018 data. Use something more recent. You think people are fucking like they always have yet our current biggest crisis continues to be astronomically low birth rates ? No, people are having less sex for sure. Changes in lifestyle are probably the reasons. Take more drugs, have more sex. It's your choice. But relationships are pretty stabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:57 AM
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Humans also evolved to shove as much hyper-palatable food as possible into their mouths, as food used to be scarce. That doesn't mean they won't be miserable eventually if they do. They have to deal with the consequences on a daily basis Yeah, we are not adapted to a world with unlimited cheap, calorie dense food at our fingertips. We didn't see that kind of environmental change in mating though. If anything, you are ruining how you see having a relationship, by consuming porn and social media. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:52 AM
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I'd love to have a woman provide for me. There is not a single bone in my body that wants to work to sustain my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:45 AM
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Nobody has an issue if you are happy being single. We have issues when you make false assumptions about women and their standards, or any other false claim. Be single all you want. More women for the rest of us. Thank you for not taking part in mating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:37 AM
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It also means OP doesn't think they can give non-verbal consent. Which means they never had any form of sexual interaction at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:16 AM
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We just agree that communication is messy and errors happen, for which no fault is attributed. A misunderstanding is a legal term that doesn't lead to being guilty. Misunderstanding = incorrect belief about a fact. Negates mens rea (intent). No intent → no guilt. The legal system distinguishes between innocent errors and criminal acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:15 AM
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Men must always ask for consent at every moment. Why do you gender that? Do women not have to ask for consent att every moment? I was never asked by a woman for consent for anything sexual. They assume non-verbal consent and they are right. I give non-verbal consent and women give non-verbal consent to me. In most cases, i don't need verbal consent. My assumptions about their consent proves to be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:11 AM
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but the idea that fat ugly 45yo men were commonly marrying beautiful 15 yo virgins who had little to no say in the matter is just completely false and not based on the reality of Europe at any point in history and mostly a fantasy of American red pill dudes based on what they hear of in India, Arab countries and other more traditional societies that they then try to impose on their own white American culture. Can you cite some red pill sources who think that "fat ugly 45yo men were commonly marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:43 AM
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i think you would also be divorced if your husband had access to your reddit account and what you post here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:18 AM
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<image> within gender variance is greater than between gender variance
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:13 AM
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Questions for discussion for the men and women of purple pill: What is your take on these stats? You think you are the first to bring up cheating stats? Did you put in the effort to use the search function of this sub instead of just copy pasting the first, unchecked info you got from google? Did you already know this information or is it new? If it’s new does it change your view on relationships? I already knew that what you posted is wrong, as i have done the research a couple of times over th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:06 AM
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My thoughts are, that people are unable to put themselves into the position of the other sex. Also, mating is not about findout out who has it harder. Nobody fucking cares if you have it harder as being part of the male sex, or if you have it harder because of your autism, your race, your socioeconomic status, or anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:09 AM
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Then why did you marry? You named "just a good laugh" and "interesting life experience". Was that really your motivation?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:03 AM
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Even if they are, it’s settling. I don’t believe they are truly happy. You realize this is just a coping mechanism in you, so you don't need to face the possibilitty, that you are the problem and that other men, similar to you in the traits that you think are relevant, are happy in a relationship with a woman? Bring some facts about those men settling, if you want to argue with that. Assuming they are not truly happy is not enough. I’m not claiming some moral high ground but it’s painfully obvio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:57 AM
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So, what do you want from a marriage, that you didn't get from the relationship you had before marrying that person?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:50 AM
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Yes i will have a problem with such a woman as a potential partner. Not interested in her. I need a sociosexually unrestricted woman as a partner. Someone who waits for more than 2 dates to have sex with me is not compatible with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:49 AM
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Young people who are mature for their age will get to hear that from everyone. Does that mean that everyone is a groomer? Young people are not a monolith. Some are mature, some are not mature. Don't give one size fits all advice, when people are not all the same size. Also, i have no problem with teenagers being overly cautious. What i do have a problem with is mature adults in their 30s, still using that broad brush in their understanding of the world "if there is an age gap and she is <21, he …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:35 AM
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None of those men actually do have sex with young women. The men who do, don't need to argue with fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:25 AM
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I love a good chatgpt output, but you failed to put in something we can debate. This is just a summary of studies. Great information though. Should i change my mind about children in the future, i will take care of my epigenome first.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:24 AM
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Explain how men just like you are having sex and relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:11 AM
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You didn't have that prior to marriage in your relationship? Why marry if you already got everything you want from a marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:10 AM
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No need to marry. You can have that without marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:09 AM
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Then why did you marry? You get all of that while being in a relationship, unmarried
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:09 AM
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A safety net for my relationship, that keeps us from breaking up in a heated moment or temporary down phase. Something that binds us just a little bit more than the painful hurdle of breaking up and moving out. Something that makes us have just a little more grounds to plan our far future together, start projects that would be too risky without any form of "binding contract". A little bit of social status. I don't want loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:08 AM
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Spoiler: you don't need any of that to get a relationship. No apps, no gym, no approaching at bars, no personality. All you need to do is talk to single women who are about your mate value until you meet someone with mutual interest. Improving your body/finances/personality/etc. is only ever required if you want to be attractive to higher mate value women than your current mate value. Whatever your current mate value, there is a guy somewhere, with that mate value, who is in a relationship with …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:57 AM
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That just sounds like far left people. It's "the system" that oppresses, keeps them down, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:47 AM
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I could be wrong here. But for Redpillers. the crux of your ideology is that if you weren't "Born into it" in the sense of having the looks, body, status, whatever; You'll never get a relationship That is black pill. Red pill is about understanding mating dynamics to be able to increase one's mate value if wanted, and attract higher value mates, or more mates, or mates for casual sex, or keeping mates attracted. Red pill is very much about how to get the looks, get the body, get the status, get …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:46 AM
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INTJ here, being edgy and feeling superior. Fi is just tertiary in me. My core processes are: Internal perception of abstract patterns, long-term outcomes, systems thinking, and external organization, logic, efficiency, measurable results. That's why it's so painful for me to discuss mating dynamics with Si-dominant types, because they trust their past experiences and internalized standards, instead of trusting the damn science. Other than that, the association between Fi/Fe and gender is partia…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:37 AM
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There are 5 factors. That's why it's called the five factor model. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits You are unhelpful. Step back and let us discuss the science of personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:20 AM
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Because i cannot tell you what YOU need to do. I can only tell you what i need to do concretely. There is no one size fits all strategy. It has to be tailored to your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:09 AM
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I am happy. Understanding the world makes me happy and fulfilled. It's part of my personality and it's deeply fulfilling. It seems like everyone is just miserable. Of course, especially the crowd that lurks here. Trying to find ways to navigate the world and bring meaning to things they dont understand and/or cant control. I am not looking for meaning. There is no meaning. We create our meaning. I look to understand things i don't understand yet. build better models of reality. I don't need to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:18 PM
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"What men want" is not "what every single man wants". Done. Learn how to statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:11 PM
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The red pill is not about relationship roles or gender roles at all. I am in a non-traditional committed open relationship. Red pill is for knowledge about human mating and understanding inter and intrasexual relationships and dynamics, not to tell me what role i and my partner should fill in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:05 PM
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Contrary to the common trope that the ‘hot guy gets all the girls’, attractiveness explains only about 2% of the variance in number of sexual partners, with height accounting for less than 1%. There’s also no indication that these effects have grown stronger post-dating apps. https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/just-be-confident-bro
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:55 PM
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Put in effort. Prioritize getting laid. Follow YOUR mating strategy. I cannot tell you what to do, because i don't know you. You can ask chatgpt to tell you your mating strategy and a playbook guide, by letting it ask you questions about yourself and giving it info. It perfectly worked out everything that fits to me. Down to psychological profiles of the women who i am most likely to encounter and what they are attracted to, etc. Then you just need to actually DO that. With lots of effort. Makin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:49 PM
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it's part of the sociosexuality spectrum. How often one thinks about sex or having sex with a person you see, determines how sociosexually restricted/unrestricted you are. Look up sociosexuality and read the questions, to get an idea of what other people are like on the ends of the spectrum. I am 97th percentile unrestricted. I think about fucking all the time. The sociosexuality inventory (SOI-R) has 3 subscales, one of which is "desire" which measures this thinking about sex and wanting to fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:01 PM
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You should lurk more. The studies are discussed regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:48 AM
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I have seen the studies to back that up. I do not suggest women are blind. I suggest that even unanttractive men can have lots of casual sex, when they put in the effort. No, it's not about attractive personality. It's about a personality that prioritizes having new sex partners and does everything neede to achieve that. Again, the studies are very clear on that. Looks make it easier to have casual sex, but personality determines IF you go for lots of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:47 AM
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Becoz they have given up. They realised it is a waste of time. That is speculative. We have no data on that. but i don't see - being in commited relationship/married as a sign of not struggling in dating. Alright, then the word "struggling" becomes meaningless. Not having casual sex on demand by swiping on apps is NOT struggling in dating. That is normal. That is to be expected. Casual sex is a scarce good and the competition over it is fierce. You cannot expect it by not putting in lots of effo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:45 AM
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What kind of effort have you applied towards having a hookup in the last month that you tried? You should not repeat things that lead to no outcome. That would be insane. But your conclusion is, that you did the right things, but the system is stacked against you, so you can't win. What i am telling you, is that you haven't tried the right things hard enough. Then you will likely tell me "the juice isn't worth the squeeze". Which is another coping mantra for "i expect to get casual sex for low e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:41 AM
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What kind of effort have you put into finding a hookup in June?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 11:07 AM
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How is 68% of men being in committed relationships currently a sign of average men struggling af at dating? How is 6 in 10 single americans not looking for a relationship or dates, struggling as fuck? If you struggle, you are not average. You might be a niceguy or autistic, have other personality issues that are super unattractive or don't allow you to take part in the normal mating market. Average guys get into relationships if they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 11:05 AM
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Number of sex partners for men is a function of personality, not of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 11:02 AM
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you are a niceguy. good for friendships, not attractive for relationships. It's not important to have a morally good personality to have sex. It's important to have an attractive personality to have sex, and it helps when you prioritize having sex to have lots of sex. You have neither. Neither the personality that is attractive for casual sex, nor the drive to prioritize having sex to a degree, that you could have lots of casual sex. It's your personality. We have studies that prove it, that att…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 11:01 AM
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You are comparing apples and oranges. Men are also freed from traditional gender roles, and society does not expect men to keep up traditional gender roles, but to adapt to a role-free society, where everyone can take up any role. If anything, society nudges men to take up more parts of the traditional female gender roles in parenting and household. Men who learn game, spin plates, or refuse to commit? Shamed as predators or losers. That has nothing to do with sexual freedom or loss of gender ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 10:58 AM
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more attractive than the average woman. more open to experience than the average woman more intelligent than the average woman Rest can be average
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:31 AM
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You just explained something in a condescending tone in a gendered dynamic, assuming i have no knowledge of it. How about we let facts speak and see who is right? Bring your sources for your claims. How bout you show us how far your credentials take you in this topic and discussion? How about you show us that you actually know something and i am just arrogant?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:23 AM
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In fact, if my point is correct, then there would be a generalized definition of what cheating is HOW? Nobody talks about waht is cheating with the other, so where should the definition come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:16 AM
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you couldn't be more wrong. I am in an open relationship. She is free to go and be with someone else. I want her to be happy. She is bi. if she find that she actually wants to be with a woman, i am happy for her and we will split. i have zero abandonment issues. i am as secure and confident as someone can be. I don't want her to be with for any other reason, than that she freely chooses me every day again, because she loves me/thinks she is in the relationship she wants with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:15 AM
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it's your personality, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:12 AM
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the stats prove it. you are living in a coping fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:11 AM
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prove it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:10 AM
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There really is nothing stopping fuckboys from waiting for you while you "delaying sex" Yes there is: time and resource investment. Emotional entanglement. Conversations that the fuckboy doesn't want to have with that woman. Time spent doing shit he doesn't want to do. It's not just "waiting". There is no need at all to wait for women who delay sex, when there is ample supply of women who WANT to fuck on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:09 AM
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Mansplaining only applies when i FALSELY ASSUME that you don't have the knowledge on the topic i am EXPLAINING to you. But you actually do not have the knowledge. Just how i just explained mansplaining to you, because you didn't know what it actually means. I’m a doctor I know more about biological processes than you with your pseudoscience You don't know shit about it. I am using the actual science on it. If you had read any on it, you'd knew that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:36 AM
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You should follow up to the sources and read the sources. Are YOU hallucinating?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:33 AM
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Meaning for hookups, an attractive and confident man, typically popular and near the upper levels of a male dominance hierarchy is selected for hookups - but he's obviously not necessarily some hyper masculine brute. Because women don't find that attractive. But he is confident and popular. The Beta Blokes part is that they aren't necessarily needed to be a sole breadwinner because women work nowadays so obv they don't need a breadwinner. But women still do like a stable, normal guy for marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:30 AM
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it is not that irrational to think that after a period of time, in this case 3 months, you could assume that you are a thing It is irrational to think that everyone would see it this way. People are different. Most people nowadays enter relationships like a contract, and then they try to find any loop hole in them to get what they want from them, no matter if it hurts the other person involved. The "loop hole"-people would be the ones who think like you. The contract people, like me, explain wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:22 PM
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i told you in the beginning. You just never listened
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:40 PM
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If you’re not a woman you can’t tell me that. Why? I know more about what women find desirable in men than you do. I'd bet the life of my mother on that. I’m a woman therefore I know better what women want than you. you can barely understand and articulate what you yourself are drawn to in a man, let alone what other women, on average are drawn to or even why. You have no understanding of the biological processes involved and why they are there. You are blindly tumbling through this topic, think…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:06 PM
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Seems like a woman who wants to believe she is high value but has a problem with bringing that together with being ghosted after sex, and now needs to find explanations that keep her high value story intact. I have never ghosted a woman who was high value to me. Why would i not answer when she writes and wants an answer from me? Part of being high value for me is, that i have the understanding that i can tell her anything without she making drama out of it. "can we meet against next week? I real…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:59 PM
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the fuck, woman, use AI to point you to sources you can read. To get an overview over a topi that you can then actually look into the articles, books, studies, etc. How old are you, that you are unable to use 2025's technology to the best of your interests? I already gave you an overview over all the relevant topics that you would need to know about, to understand the transactionality in attraction. You haven't looked up SHIT up to this point. You are not interested in finding out what you don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:43 PM
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The part that is on average more desirable about extraverts is not the recharging/stimuli part, but the behavior that comes with it, that leads to certain benefits that are sought after. You can learn to do that, evne if it's against what stimulates you. Even if it's a constant uphill battle. Can you learn to become more passionate? If so, how? men who don’t care about how to attract the majority of women are the most attractive. Why didn't you say so when i asked what personality makes one most…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:39 PM
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you can’t convince them to genuinely be happy in those relationships In which case it's a waste of time and the relationship will be awful. Well, that is probably the argument though. Be happy with less! Why should that not be achievable? WE can observe people doing that in all areas of life. These women who wouldn't be with a guy beforehand but have now lowered their standards and are giving a guy a shot, will resent that guy. No. They would not have lowered their standards, when they still mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:24 PM
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You fundamentally have no idea what this is about, and it shows. Nothing you say has anything i am on about. I will debate, i will not do a 1 hour lecture on things you can do on your own with chatgpt. If you don't want to put in the research to be able to debate, i am not going to babyfeed you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:40 PM
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That i match her mate choice preferences and she cannot attract another man with equal mate value for her, to her for a long term relationship. I do not really care what she finds so great about me. It's very likely that it matches with the things i view as outstanding or great about me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:52 AM
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But you can’t change this about yourself. Then why would you think that you can change how passionate you are? Even if you can't change how extraverted you are, you can adopt extraverted behavior. People who want to be liked by everyone usually aren’t so attracted because they lack direction. That is not what my question is about. I was asking about what personality would be attractive to the largest amount of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:44 AM
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So you think introverted men and extraverted men are desired equally as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:31 AM
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Nobody speaks about individuals when they say men have higher libido than women. Your thinking is the problem in most discussions we have here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:23 AM
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So don't be bitter, but be as passionate as possible. That is leading to the largest number of women being attracted to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:13 AM
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READ UP ON THE TOPIC you have no idea how clueless you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:11 AM
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thanks for making it obvious you have no clue and cannot answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:05 AM
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I want her to want to be with me, because i am the best she can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:04 AM
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LMAO i didn't say 1 personality that attracts all. I asked what personality would be best = attractive to the largest number of women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:53 AM
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So it doesn't matter what kind of personality one has, because there are about equal women who match with every personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:52 AM
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Moving the goalposts. No, you moved. i restricted the search to this subreddit. You had to go to tiktok to find something about small dicks from women. Now you need to resort to a fringe movement in South Korea, to show how women do this in real life. There's a whole world beyond this sub. Most hilariously you consider this sub to be more real than TikTok... unbelievable. I am living in it. I do not get/hear small dick energy comments by women. Not once in my life. It's men who make small dick j…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:45 AM
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Real life is a lot of places, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:28 AM
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What part of my comment is that related to?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:25 AM
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No, not bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:23 AM
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Simple question. You said personality is important in dating. I asked what kind of personality would be best, so i can improve into that direction. If there is no best personality, and i cannot improve into any direction to get better results in dating, then personality can only be important for an individual partner, but not for the pool of partners in general. So, is my personality already fine as is, or can i improve?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:03 PM
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Then why is personality important, when you can't even point out what a good personality would be
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:55 PM
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So as long as i just want any partner, you say it doesn't matter what personality i have? Or what would be the generally most liked personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:55 PM
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You can also answer what the most sought after personality for dating is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:36 PM
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B-b...but how can it be a negative experience when everyone wants to fuck you and never talk to you again? That is literally heaven!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:21 PM
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You have the choice of not competing in an arena where you are not competitive enough in, to have a good time. Go date women from real life. Also, you could have just told her that men face the same filtering problem, just with way more intrasexual competition for a way smaller opposite sex group.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:17 PM
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What is the personality that is generally most preferred for sex partners? How can one change ones personality towards that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:02 PM
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So your argument or evidenec for your statement is just: I know this is true, becuase i just made up some statements i attribute to some labeled groups and everyone who disagrees just doensn't know what the average woman is attracted to and all exceptions are just super fringe and don't really matter. you could have just linked ONE scientific book about human mating, or even just the fucking wiki article and have had more credibility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mating_preferences https://en.w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:59 AM
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No doubt you can find ANYTHING when putting it into a tiktok search engine. That does not speak to real life application, nor frequency. Don't you think it's telling, that you don't have women talking about penis sizes in THIS sub, unless asked by men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:07 AM
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All of that expiration date talk assumes that for men, no partner is better than an aged parter, and/or, that men can just get a better partner. People pick partners at their mate value, and unless their mate value drastically changes into opposite directions, they will still only be able to get new partners of the same mate value they are currently at. Mate value has to do with supply and demand. Is it really just impossible at that point, or that if I had a man and I aged into a 40 year old, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:22 AM
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Where? i searched small dick energy and it's just comments of men like you who say that women say that. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/search/?q=%22small+dick+energy%22&type=comments&cId=e61fc085-6604-4d95-80ad-08441bbf8656&iId=95daa612-9bfc-46b5-8bf9-73ac6a085e22
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:33 AM
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Heterosexual men don't give a shit about another dude's meat. Humans compare themselves to others. Men compare their penis to other men. Men have the idea in their head, that penis size directly affects how manly they are and how desired by women and how good at sex they can be. This is about the sexual attractiveness of other men, which heterosexual men don't give a shit about. They care about that alot, when it is about comparing themselves. It's about male dominance hierarchy positions and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:28 AM
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shouldn’t the one I like be more into me, not less? Statistics are about populations not about individuals. The average value for the population of women of being into you increases, when other, attractive women show that they are into you, and the population of women can observe that. It does not say anything aboutj a specific woman's interest in you. She might even be less interested in you, because she is insecure and cannot deal with competition for the man she is interested in, and rather l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:14 AM
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What makes you think that wanting to be something hand knowing what is necessary to get there, also allows you to actualy get there? Red pill is knowledge, not sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:46 AM
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Here we go again. Virgins obsessed with dick size and not being good enough...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:41 AM
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Yes, it does. You can insert anything there. "mean you manipulate ______ and exploit _____ to satisy your own urges/interests"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:13 AM
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If that would stop me, i wouldn't be here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:13 AM
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Yeah, tell me how your brain rewards you greatly for just fucking a new random guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:12 AM
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And that, my dear, is why you SHOULD FUCKING READ UP ON THE TOPIC! You are making a fool out of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:09 AM
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Alright, that's all anyone could ever ask of you. You have my blessing to give up and leave the women for the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:07 AM
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I know. Because i wanted to show you what my reply was targeted at, to make you see how your reply was not a fitting reply to my comment. I don't know why you felt the need to reply that to my comment. It did not further this line of argument/discussion. In fact, i think you probably didn't understand what i was about. And your comment now makes that all the more obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:05 AM
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How much money would someone have to make more on average, to balance out a 10 year age gap at age 20? That is the question that comes to my mind. So can we get an equal power age gap relationship? What about a broke 30yo, with a 20yo woman who makes 40k a year?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 12:03 PM
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i know that you don't understand that. But explaining it to you in short will also not lead to a change of your mind, in my experience with people who come from your standpoint. I have no interest do go into depths of evolutionary biology and current brain reward systems and, motivation and drives, the foundation of biological romantic love and what attraction is. You can have extensive chats with CHATGPT about this, if you want to learn something. I am not motivated enough to do it at this poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 12:00 PM
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Typically, young age (maybe up to ~30), and when she is at least about average attractive for her age.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 11:55 AM
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Like i said, that is the transactional part that you "get".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 11:42 AM
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What makes you very attracted to them? You don't have to answer. But that is where the value is in it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 11:19 AM
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But OP's take, equating this to women being sexworkers... Thats just too many logical jumps. He is not. I quoted the part and then emphasized it. He says women are not prostitutes for having transactional relationships that involve sex for X. I am an ENTP and do enjoy wild takes as jokes And i am an INTJ. I enjoy wild takes as thought experiments. What i don't enjoy is people not reading carefully, so i have to explain myself again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 11:18 AM
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Do you think that your way of not trying is attracting any women? Have you put your ideology to the test?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 11:01 AM
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Because it attracts people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:52 AM
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Sex with just about anyone, just for the sex? Or what does the man bring that you want to have sex with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:51 AM
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Women don’t usually offer sex with zero expectation. They offer it in exchange for value — whether that’s emotional support, commitment, protection, status, or lifestyle. It’s not always money. But it’s still an exchange. [...] So is she a prostitute? No. But is she exchanging sex for value? Almost always. Alright, you got this out of the picture first, good. The rest of the argument is: human relationships are transactional. That is nothing new. I wonder though, why you left out being attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:50 AM
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Some kind of flirtatious interaction with whom? New people or do friends, affairs, partners, colleagues etc count? What is "some kind of flirtatious interaction" to you? I wink at people or keep long eye contact with strangers whom i am a attracted to, even if that remains the only interaction i have with them. So does it need to be bi-directional? Do you want to rather know how many times do new women verbally flirt with me (either responding or opening) per timeframe? That totally depends on i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 08:40 AM
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Does sex affect intimacy? Sure, sex is intimacy. Casual sex is neither good or bad per se, and people are different regarding sociosexuality (important for casual sex). Some people are negatively affected, others positively. For my long term relationship, having casual sex on the side is overall beneficial and allows me to commit without experiencing a huge loss in sexual opportunities in the first place. For other people, casual sex does nothing or is negative and not important to be able to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 08:11 AM
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Not the truth our own personal truth based on our own lived experiences making this subreddit more of a digital therapy session, except you want your beliefs semi challenged only for you to go back to believing them again. So it's mainly you, who is the ideologue who is not willing to change their beliefs, because you already have your own truth that isn't based or challenged by evidence or arguments, it's fixed from your biased perception and ideas about reality. The worst kind of basis for a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:55 AM
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you, again, like in every thread, are either incapable of cognitively understanding the arguments, or you are willfully a fucking troll. No man is an option yes. That has nothing to do wit ha reasonable standard. Engage with my argument or stop answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:25 AM
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Yes, but on men's side, it's still overwhelmingly winners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:23 AM
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I never got even the smallest of positive reinforcement from women with this What have you done, regarding improving your value that you didn't get positive reinforcement from women on? WHat kind of reaction did you expect? And why didn't you do it for feeling better about yourself, for being higher value in male status hierarchies?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:23 AM
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So that leads to what conclusion and advice for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:18 AM
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Point me to one interview please. Explain how dating app results tell us something about what women think about regarding getting relationships from getting fucked on a yacht. Have you been living under a rock? I was busy having sex with women, having female friends, having a relationship, doing research of human mating dynamics. No where in all of that did i get the impression or found any evidence, that women think getting invited by rich guys to yachts to be sex objects would lead to having r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:15 AM
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I am a machiavellian man, as you can read in my flair. Bro might have to do a google search, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:11 AM
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But it’s also why society looks down on men who don’t succeed Society is 50% women. Why is women looking down on men who don't succeed "toxic masculinity" and not toxic feminintiy? Women's requirement for men to be successful or to be "worthless" and targets of ridicule and shaming, is hardly about men's toxicity. That's like saying men looking down on women who don't fulfill men's requirements for beauty, youth and femininity is based in toxic feminintiy, because women compete with each other f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:10 AM
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we all know that, but i want to hear that from Gravel_Roads' mouth, after having reflected on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 06:55 AM
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On one side, you hear the argument that many men can’t get women because they watch porn. Which is clearly false, as basically all men watch porn to some degree and the overwhelming majority get women. The argument goes that heavy porn use can negatively impact libido, self-esteem, and expectations in relationships. Absolutely, just like with heavy use of anything, there are severe negative effects. Don't heavily use porn. If someone is getting their emotional and sexual needs met through a scre…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 06:53 AM
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Chad and Stacy are not defined as most attractive man/woman alive. Chad and Stacy are a stereotype mostly, but more than that, a range of very high desirability. Cut off point being unclear. while women see men in same level bare-minimum. You need to see this as a matching by rank order/percentile of desirability, not by what you think is same level attractiveness. This gets rid of the issue of men being less physically attractive as women. Desirability is more than attractiveness, and it doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:47 PM
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Because men are not a monolith, and most men already manipulate women to some degree to get sex. I manipulate young women into having sex with me. Especially the mentally unstable, naive ones, the ones who are deeply insecure about their bodies, their identity, their value to men/society. Why haven’t the incels caught on and start doing it? Because they are too insecure to talk to women, yet alone try to manipulate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:44 PM
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You don't need to argue about "women are not obliged to pick any man". I agree with that and it's not the topic i argue with you about. Picking no man cannot be "reasonable standard", because it has nothing to do with an expected outcome. It's a choice that can be done regardless of how others interact with you. "picking no one" is the euphemism for "my standards are too high for anyone to who meets them to want me back". If someone cannot attract the people they want, that is not a reasonable s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:41 PM
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That is you giving up, so you don't have to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:37 PM
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Dude, the whole point is that the sexual selectors are easily manipulated because there is a power imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:34 AM
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You might be successful in anything and if you can show women you actually enjoy what you do they start to find you attractive. Try that with playing WoW and being the guild leader/raid leader of one of the top guilds of your realm or continent. Women want Chad, sure, but Chad is 1% of the population. The other 99% of women are going to take non-Chad. What women want ideally is far from what they can get. And they are still happy with what they can get. You don't need to be anything special. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:33 AM
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But you can be out of college and looking for a girlfriend, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:30 AM
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There is no such thing as “mate level” It’s literally determined by who is picking you So there is a mate level, determined by who and who isn't picking you. Who’s keeping track of everyone’s value? I hope you are keeping track of who does or doesn't interact with. If not, you will stumble around clumsily in the mating world and are highly inefficient, gettting way more rejcetions than needed, possibly being so lost and confused, that you give up. Women are not being “unreasonable” because they’…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:28 AM
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What is a successful man? Aren't goals subjective?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:23 AM
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What does that have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:22 AM
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And what is a really good life? According to the man, or according to the woman? Do women agree on what is a good life?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:10 AM
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unreasonable unreasonable (comparative more unreasonable, superlative most unreasonable) Without the ability to reason; unreasoning. Not reasonable; going beyond what could be expected or asked for. Expectations are mental predictions or assumptions about what will happen in the future, and they’re based on multiple layers of prior experience, statistical regularities, social norms, and explicit information. So, no, you are very wrong to say that there are no unreasonable standards. You're not "…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 10:56 AM
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Luckily, that is irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 10:16 AM
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Funny how you think you should call me out on catfishing, when you call me gross and believe you are a moral person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 10:02 AM
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It's an open relationship. I am now catfishing women more than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:44 AM
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We aren’t actually naturally dominant nor are we more likely to succeed Can your support that? The studies i read on the topic see it as a given that there is a biological component to it, that makes men more dominant on average (additional to the cultural effects). Toxic masculinity is perpetuated by society. Shaming men for not being successful is perpetuated by society, right. Why do you think are we not just stopping with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:43 AM
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The toxic thing is labeling men not crying because of toxic masculinity. Men not crying is perfectly normal. Let men not cry, or less than women. There is nothing to be fixed about that. Men are men, and we are normal for not crying as much. It's toxic when people shame men for crying, and it's toxic when people shame/problematize men for not crying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:40 AM
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again, nobody but you cares. And there is no jurisdiction, where lying about age is a crime, when having contact with an adult
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:35 AM
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You know about how testosterone makes it harder to cry? Toxic feminism didn't tell you that, so you expect men to be able to cry like women, while they biologically have a very hard time to do so. Some women shame men for not crying enough.. labeling them toxic
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:19 AM
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Name 2 jurisdictions where lying about your age as an adult to have sex with another adult is a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:16 AM
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How is it toxic masculinity, when you just said it's society?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:06 AM
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Men's lives don't suck. Loser's life sucks. Both for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:05 AM
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Like i said, who cares? Not the women i catfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:02 AM
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No, the thing you are left with, if your assessment is correct, which it very likely isn't, is that you can increase your mate value. Why are you even angry at women, when you understand your mate value is lower than theirs? Be angry at yourself, that you can't get your ass up and increase your value
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:52 AM
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Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:50 AM
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The pics are real. Women have often told me that i am one of the few guys who looks exactly like on the pics. Who the fuck cares about age for a one night stand?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 07:37 AM
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Is that some form of this "invalidating my lived experience" stuff, that we men always get to hear about, when doubting what women say? I cannot prove it to you, so you just have to take my word on it, and the people who report similar things from other, dedicated threads about age and misperceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 03:09 PM
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they don't think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 11:58 AM
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Because a romantic relationship is way different than friends + sex. I thought maybe someone without experience would think about it that way. A romantic relationship is about love, typically. That typically involves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love#Updated_model While they are basically the same regarding sex, the other parts differ: In romantic relationships, compared to friendships, there is: High exclusivity, emotional interdependence, mental preoccupation Focused, exc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 11:55 AM
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Sure, there were the few girls who needed male attention and validation to a very strong degree. They tried to please me by moaning excessively and by telling me how large my penis is while fucking them. Which is bordering on being unpleasant. I can take a little bit of compliments when it's believable, but when i get the impression she thinks she needs to bolster my ego for a good performance, a hot body/a large penis, etc. i am turned off. Especially because i make it clear that they don't nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 11:47 AM
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Depends. I told my current gf of 5 years right after we matched. She said that she set her filter to 30 max, while i was 36 (changed to 28). So we would have never met if i didn't lie on the age part. For others, that i mainly match for ONS, or people i meet in the club, i think i have revealed it to all of them at some point before having sex. At some point during the process that leads to sex, i just feel that the women have decided and feel good with me/desire me, and nothing i could reveal a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 11:08 AM
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Being a devout Christian is equal to having a dark past.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 10:55 AM
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Because young women will have no problem being attracted to me, but have mental blocks of being okay with being attracted to a 41yo man. Telling them i am 28 let's them be fine with being into me. She doesn't decide if she is into me when she hears the age. It's just social norms, shame, judgment of others, etc. that would make her decide against her attraction. No need for that. I am as old as they need me to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 10:51 AM
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Could you explain me why? Conservative values, traditional gender roles, and also: men who think they need to make up in lacking mate value from other areas, by providing financially. Valid mating strategy. That's like making up for being stupid by being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 10:38 AM
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"Care about dick size/size queens" are undefined. What does that mean? Do size queens REQUIRE a certain size, or just prefer a certain size? What size? 99th percentile? 90th percentile? I have never been asked about my penis size by a woman before having sex with her. My penis size (average) also never was a reason for a woman to not want to have sex with me, when it was revealed to her. With 50 female sex partners, most of them casual sex (so no other incentive for her than to get her sexual pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 10:18 AM
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1 year, 12 years, 2 years, 5 years (and ongoing). So yes. You?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 09:30 AM
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"Dated". It's mostly a short term sexual relationship, or some short lived summer fling. I would be absolutely fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:28 AM
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Yet red pillers here still defend dating barely legal teenagers. Lets set morality aside. Do you not see how it's a huge risk in the modern, western world? How about we talk about people who ACTUALLY are in committed relationships with barely legal teenagers with a huge age gap, instead of people who TALK about WANTING to FUCK barely legal teenagers. Other than that, i am answering as someone with a 13 yr age gap (41&28, 5 year relationship) you think they'll take care of your old ass? I don't w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:26 AM
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this is more like the guy is hangry and screams at his girlfriend over something minor How is that a gendered thing? Some people do that when they are hangry. I’ve noticed in my past relationships men are really on edge. THat's the men you pick, or maybe it even has something to do with you. I wanted to ask the men in this sub if you were this guy Nope, i am calm as fuck. Learning to regulate your emotions, might be a first step. Screen for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:16 AM
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If you go on social media ... You rarely find any male podcasters offering women dating advice or red flags to look for in men who trick women Do i really need to explain to you how social media algorithms work? They tell you what you want to hear such as they love you, they can't live without you, your their heart and soul, they can't stop thinking about you ect within a week of meeting you, buy you gifts, food, etc, trick you into thinking they are genuine and honest. That is very much talked …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:13 AM
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Any women that you tried to be win the competiton over. So, either become more competitive (red pill), or look for women in real life, who are lower mate value than the women you tried to be competitive for. Or just give up and be either frustrated or numb on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:54 AM
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Yes, we talk about marriage and that is one of the goals in the coming years. It will be an open marriage though. I do not see myself becoming exclusive anytime soon, if ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:51 AM
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Because red pillers are not a monolith. It attracts the ideological crowd, who is frustrated and looks for something to blame others for their misery. And it attracts the sane crowd, who really wants to understand mating dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:49 AM
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That is the same for me though. I wouldn't like if most of my friends are way more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:48 AM
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I do, but explain what i should be ashamed of and why!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:47 AM
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Have you been in a romantic relationship yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:47 AM
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From the same pew research. It's stable for years, ~70%. Sometimes 71 or 72%, sometimes 68 or 69%, that is just the sampling error each year. It's also coming up in all the other studies on committed relationships. You are talking about men and women under 30, where it's lower than 70%, because that is the age where people are less committed, due to life circumstances, preferences, etc. Also, 63% of men is very very likely not the true signal but sampling bias. You can look at the long time tren…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:45 AM
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Tell something from your experience, if you want that. I did. I am the confident and secure guy who doesn't even think about the men in her past. I was speaking in general, but somehow you managed to mention me, bro. Because the way you think about this topic makes it very plausible that you are affected by retroactive jealousy. You would have no insecurity finding out your wife was more adventureous with another (random) man? Not speaking of an ex husband Bro, i am having an open relationship. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 05:23 PM
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So, assuming you didn't get dates from OLD, you seem to not be competitive for the women on Bumble that you swiped right on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 05:18 PM
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So instead of constantly complaining about women's standards and who you deem they should settle for, then maybe you need to drop your standards a little, to women you aren't attracted to. You think the men who read here and struggle in dating are not already swiping on everyone? Their issue is, that they are not competitive on Bumble/Tinder. Their equivalent in a woman needs to be found in real life. Which is a problem, as they are terminally online, and so is their equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:06 PM
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Interesting. And you’re saying with the men in your friend group it’s strictly platonic. Yeah, not just in the friend group. I cannot for the life of me get any sexual arousal from interacting with me. I have tried. I have done MMF threesomes, and MMFF foursomes, or MMFFF, with men i found attractive and felt bonded with. Still, strictly platonic, no romantic or sexual vibe. I still like them to be equally attractive as i am. So all of this is just how you are with the women? Yeah, though some m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:13 PM
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I answered here Because we are vastly different personalities, in vastly different social/cultural subgroups. Where those male friends less attractive than you? I think we need to talk about relative attractiveness here. I am attractive and i want my friends to be about as attractive as i am. I don't want them to be leagues above me. That would not feel good. I can imagine, that if i were unattractive, that i would also want unattractive friends. Similarity is usually a very important trait in b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:04 PM
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I don't deal with this "respect"-talk at all. Respect is earned, and not for being attractive, or existing, or being a man or a woman, old or young. I prefer aesthetic things and people. I like to look at attractive people. I feel better with attractive people and i am willing to exploit the brain reward system by having attractive friends ( https://www.cell.com/AJHG/fulltext/S0896-6273(01)00491-300491-3) ). There is probably an unconscious effect of influencing my own perceived value/attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 12:51 PM
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Probably my fixation on neotenous features and traits i automatically ascribe to young/old women, that i am either attracted to or repulsed by.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 12:30 PM
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That really just sounds like insecurity to me. Retroactive jealousy/bodycount: You are comparing yourself to other men, and because of your low self-valuation/insecurity in your value to the woman, you lose that comparison in your own head. Your thoughts circle around your own negative comparison to the other men, that you project into her mind. So you think that when she has sex with you, she also thinks about the other men who "fucked her better" than you. Contrast this with a confident man wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 12:25 PM
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I am not talking about sexual relationships. Nobody asks what the other brings to the table for those.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 12:12 PM
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Uncertainty due to what? In my experience, people are uncertain when they are not getting what they want or need. In that case, have open communication about what everyone wants/needs, and then see if this can be realized, or if it's unreasonable, or impossible to achieve. Like: "i want there to be new-relationship-energy forever", is an unreasonable to impossible requirement to have for a relationship. "I am uncertain about the relationship, because i think i could have a better matching/more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:59 AM
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Yeah, but that is hardly what makes her want to be in a committed relationship with you. Looks, intelligence and humor barely set you apart from all the other men she could be with, who are around your looks and intelligence level. Why specifically you? YOu need to be able to bring up other characteristics, that allow her to see if there is a SPECIAL MATCH with you two, that other attractive, intelligent, witty men do not have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:37 AM
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Yes, most men are awful lovers, at least when it comes to uncommitted partners. I have no insight on relationship-sex. Women just tell me about their one night stands and casual relationships. So part of that probably is due to not being attuned to each other, having less or no incentive to care for the pleasure of the other person, when there is no second hookup. But more importantly, men just don't know what is important, because they view sex and women from a male perspective and never cared …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:33 AM
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Don't believe everything you hear on the internet. Women do not lose respect to men who care about their pleasure and who can make her feel so desired and accepted, by burying their face in their genitalia, not getting enough of them. It's ridiculously fragile masculinity to even think that this could be regarded as "unmanly"/not dominant and make her lose respect. It's what men who don't like eating pussy tell each other, to cope with the fact that women (on average, there are certainly women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:11 AM
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yes, but it's different for women i am already bonded to. I am already highly overrating her attractiveness and am biased. That will surely make me see her way more attractive than other women her age. I am more concerned with other women. I cannot stay attractive to women aged 20-25 forever. I'd like it to be attracted to women aged 30-35, when i am 45.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:05 AM
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It's the opposite for me. I am attracted to all my good friends, and it's a requirement for me to want to be friends with them. For male friends (as i am straight), this only means that i think they are attractive, without being sexually attracted to them. I couldn't be friends with men who i find unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:37 AM
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There is no problem in being attracted to your friends, as long as you are still friends with them first, and attracted to them second. There is only a friendzone, if you are not really friends with them, but just close to them, faking friendship, while actually just romantically/sexually interested. It's false to assume that a man only fake-befriend a woman to get close to ther for sexual or romantic reasons. For women, to only befriend men who they are attracted to, does not reduce the chance …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:29 AM
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That's exactly what i mean when i say "men cannot name what they bring to the table except their income." Looks are obvious, when she is in front of you. So on a date, you would be left with: i am intelligent and i think i am funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:21 AM
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Just turned 28
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:11 AM
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41m here, with a girlfriend, active social life, every weekend on parties or social gatherings, etc.: not been attracted to a woman over age 33 yet. Hope this changes when i get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 09:00 AM
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Your level of attraction to a woman of a certain age is not determined by if you are red pill or blue pill. I WISH i was attracted to women my age. I would pay good money if i could do anything to be attracted to 40yo women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:57 AM
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Men and women increasingly prefer younger partners the older they get, it's just way more pronounced in men. You don't see the men who are older than their young girlfriends ask about: but when 50% of women at 18yo want an older partner, why should i date an 18yo as an older man, when only 3% want an older partner at 45yo? Won't she leave me at that point? <image> I dont belive in wife goggles tbh, It's not a matter of "belief". There is hard evidence for this effect. People in romantic relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:53 AM
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No doubt, but not enough. If it's only sexual attraction, you are in a sexual relationship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:26 AM
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I mean "their own fault" in the sense that it has to do only with him. No moral judgment and not necessarily anything they can change. Maybe this doesn't translate perfectly in English. <image> " Fault" might have the connotation, that it's a moral failing and/or that it's something that can be changed. A fault in behavior. I don't mean it like that. Everything about the guy results in his situation. His genes, his upbringing, where he was born and to whom, what he did in his life up to the poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:23 AM
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many red pilled young men pushing ideas that men should act one way and women should act another. These men are obsessed with looking strong, getting rich, dominating other men, and making their women submit to and depend on them. The moment a "should" comes into play, it's no longer red pill, but an ideology based on traditional values. Red pill doesn't say what should be, just what is. Red pill, in a world where men are feminine and women are masculine, would just describe that and explain how…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:06 AM
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I don't make this up. I just repeat what the science has found. So it doesn't just make a bit of sense. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.1992.tb00038.x https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053811906006112
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:44 PM
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Alright, i am out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:36 PM
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ARe you really not understanding it? Or is this your way to annoy me long enough that i don't answer anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:23 PM
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As a man who has sex with other women while being in a relationship: the things that cause the most jealousy is not when i have sex with those women, but when i spend money on them or when she thinks that i "like" them a little too much. Just sex is fine. Even just cooking for them is worse than fucking them. "Resources" shall only be provided for her. Evolutionarily, it doesn't matter if a man fucks other women, as long as he stays with his committed partner and she gets 100% of his resources f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:23 PM
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I have actually heard a lot of women say emotional cheating is worse for them than physical cheating. That's what i said. They say this but I'm not sure just how truthful they are being...as women share deep emotional bonds or bonding time with other men regularly while being taken. Because that is not so jealousy triggering for men. Also I'm pretty sure the biggest spats and fallouts on average are from where actual sex is involved which sounds obvious. No. The biggest fights and fallouts come …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:45 PM
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the content exists on other porn-streaming sites
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:34 PM
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Why? People are different. Let them hate porn and go somewhere, where people like you live.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:16 PM
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Sorry, i didn't know you are a boomer and can't find porn hosts that don't follow these laws that lead to the purging.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:13 PM
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Dude, if you asked how many people are currently eating, you would get a percentage that is WAY below 100%. But in the end, we are all eating in regular intervals. Your statement is, that >50% will be single FOR LIFE, not currently. That is VASTLY different. Or did i misunderstand you, and you are just talking abaout currently, and you think that most people will have phases with committed relationships and phases without?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:11 PM
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How have things improved in dating since tinder and instagram released in 2012? You argued that people just don't want to be in relationships. So what is the problem? People get what they want. And it’s not going to get BETTER. Why BETTER? I thought people don't want relationships? I argue, that rates of being in relationships increase when those young people get into their 30s. Because wanting a relationship becomes a higher priority for people in that age bracket. There is no reason to think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:20 PM
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Move to a different place then, when your behavior doesn't match the social norms of your location.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:14 PM
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Single at one point in time. Like i said, that doesn't mean that they are single for all of the time between 18 and 29. Also, i argued how this is due to lifestyle in 20s being different than lifestyle in 30s. The percentage will very likely increase to levels we see in 30-40yos now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:07 PM
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Asexuality devalues someone for me completely. Not interested one bit to date an asexual person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:44 PM
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I also said that this just captures the current situation and doesn't mean that the other 52% are single all the time. Please, write a rebuttal to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:33 PM
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What do you bring to the table? What have those men listed as what they bring to the table? Can you point me to any threads about that where i can see men showing what they bring to the table? I can't find them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:32 PM
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How do you want me to prove that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:13 PM
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If you have any evidence to the contrary, and think that most men who were born after 2000 will not be single (citing past generations social dynamics is not evidence, thing are totally different now) and that things are not moving this way then great I'm happy to hear it. But everything is pointing to the opposite. The GSS data from 2024 shows: <image> For people aged 18-29, 44% of women having a steady partner and 48% of men having a steady partner. (for N(men)=153, N(women)=150). So, even in …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:48 PM
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Not even as a clarification after having been called stupid/low IQ? Or after having been asked about his intelligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:12 PM
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But since we don't live 200 years ago, i can be an entomologist and a Chad at the same time. Also, all the beetle collectors i know are married with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:08 PM
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Can you give an example of how you LOGICALLY navigate pretty basic social dynamics? Also, i have never come across anyone in this sub in the last years who claimed to be "the most intelligent man who ever graced earth" or anything close to it. Not once did i read someone post their tested IQ level (except for me). If we go by standard psychometric definitions, such as IQ tests or Spearman’s g factor, then yes: you can score very high and still be socially obtuse. These tests emphasize logical re…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:05 PM
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What do you think happens instead of courting when a man is interested in a relationship with a woman? Why do people not like the actual relationship? The overwhelming majority of people are in relationships and close to everyone wants to be in a relationship. Why are you right and they wrong? What is the basis for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 03:33 PM
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I did understand very well. First, it seems, regarding acceptance of partner watches porn, there are cultural differences between where i live (Germany) and where you live or talk about probably (USA). Even within the countries, there are strong differences based on religiosity, age, etc. I just looked up some data and found, that for people aged ~18-40, there is only 10-15% who would say porn consumption would negatively affect the relationship, in Germany, while it's 30-35% and potentially way…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 03:25 PM
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I have never been creeped out by a woman i found attractive. What creeps me out are mentally disabled, unattractive women. Because of the unpredictability of their actions and possibly utter neglect of social norms. Have a look at those studies, if you are interested in creepiness. I maybe was a little too harsh with my initial statement. Maybe "for the most part" should be change to significantly less likely to be creepy for men, especially, when the men are attracted to the women. Creepiness r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 03:11 PM
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I never met met a woman who was upset about me having access to porn. Where do you find those women? Women (i am in a romantic relationship with) have sex with me because they want to, not because they exchange that for something else they want. They are not threatened by porn, as that is a completely different niche. Women are way less jealous about sexual rivals than about emotional or resource-receiving rivals. It's men who are jealous about sexual infidelity way more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:09 PM
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Yes, i live in Germany. MY field is probably very different from your field. I live in Berlin, and my target demographic are 18-25 year old women (i am 41), who are deep in the techno, party, sex positive, sociosexually unrestricted, sensation seeking, drugs, hedonism lifestyle. Mostly with daddy issues or cluster B personality issues. Sex parties, techno clubs, (after)parties, social life with friends are the place i mostly look for women. Those environments go hand in hand with sexuality and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 01:46 PM
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I don't know where you got that citation but not from me... Ah, i thought you are still the person i replied to. he said: ".To a single guy, doing things for someone who made no commitments to you and isn't reciprocating is a recipe for disaster. Women already can't be bothered to do the bare minimum and think they must be rewarded with princess treatment for just existing." My guy I began dating in the 2000s in Eastern Europe and I never payed any dime for RP. It was free, and I loved to use. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 11:52 AM
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For pointing out that you think your value system should rule over everyone else's? You are a snob.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 11:43 AM
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You want to tell me that feminists think that being feminine is being weak?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 11:18 AM
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"Some interest" is not commitment. You court women before there is commitment. You clearly court women who show interest and don't label you desperate (which is not going together with being interested in you). Women already can't be bothered to do the bare minimum and think they must be rewarded with princess treatment for just existing. Then you have never experienced a woman being interested in you. (Are you sure you are RP? I think based on your comments many of us are confused about that...…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 10:19 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT8MGk4dxfk It's in the fucking title of the video you linked
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:55 AM
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You forgot bi-sexual men/women. You also forgot to mention, that this is just for dating advice for straight men. You also neglected that the actual (successful) experience, similarity to the advice receiver and deeper understanding/knowledge of human mating, is what sets advice givers apart. In the end, you ask the experienced and successful fisherman/woman that fishes in the same pond as you, for advice, not the lesbian, inexperienced and unsuccessful fisherwoman that fishes in a body of water…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:44 AM
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Then watch old free porn. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:00 AM
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I have never paid a single penny for porn in my life. I get nothing out of the parasocial relationship people have or imagine to have with their content creators. Not on social media and not for porn creators. I am basically immune to social media/social porn (is that a term yet?). I also require to be desired by women for things other than money. So any kind of monetary transaction kills everything for me, unless i am already sure there is desire for me, like in a romantic relationship. Couldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:58 AM
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You really think that it's a good idea to be on this sub, while you post about you being suicidal right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:49 AM
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There is only wanted attention, when i find a woman attractive. Women also cannot be creepy to men for the most part. Creepiness requires an element of feeling threatened. Women are not threatening to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:45 AM
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Sexual attraction is not enough to be in romantic relationship though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:43 AM
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Same goes for men who end up with bad women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:42 AM
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We have had enough threads of "what do you bring to the table", that clearly showed, that men cannot name what they bring to the table except their income. Feel free to be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:40 AM
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You understand the courting phase, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:39 AM
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The biggest thing I’ve noticed on the sub is that when you get 5 to 10 replies deep with somebody, they reveal ... that they are autistic and all their dating problems are actually due to autism and not the thing that the thread is about. ... that they base their entire view about dating on extreme social media content and comments, that are created to trigger emotional involvement ... that they just look for confirmation for their coping story, so they don't feel like a failure. I would argue p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:35 AM
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You quote her in every thread. She fits your conspiracy infested brain
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:20 AM
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Google does not bring up anything that supports that "women only like the top 2 or 5%". Please, do the work and post the source, so you have any credibility. Clinically obese women get more likes than male models. Look it up That has nothing to do with your claims and i do not dispute it, because percentages and absolute numbers are different things. 1% of total likes from men can still be loads more likes than 20% of likes from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:14 AM
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So you picked categories that are not even the focus of the other piece of art. You used your personal preferences to measure what is superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:13 AM
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Isn't that the case currently in the view of OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:57 AM
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What are you basing these statements on? For example, whenever I hear women say something about how they love their partner, it's always in relation to what he does for them, not what they do for him. That's status jerking. How about you get a woman to love you and see first hand, that it's not about the things you think it is. Mh? How about that? So you don't have to base your worldview on Esther Vilar and what you see on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:53 AM
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This is official Hinge data from one of their data scientists. I just visualized it differently. <image> You cannot just say "it's not true" when it contradicts what you want to believe, so you don#t feel like a failure
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 09:06 PM
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I am not talking about gen Z men. I am talking about all men. For women below 30, their committed relationship rate is close to 70%. Having in mind ,that very young women are not looking for commitment at the same rate as older women, this doesn't hint at a hoeflation, it hints at: age gap preferences, young men not being relationship material, young men not wanting relationships. Bring up the studies that support your claims of "women only liking the top 2%" or 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 09:03 PM
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So why do women keep only liking the top 2% of men on dating apps if they are aware of this? They don't. Men and women show a pretty similar behavior in liking mostly the top 15% of profiles, with a very small share (~5%) of the total likes going towards the bottom 50%. Here is the distribution of likes on Hinge for men and women. So what's going on there? Are men delusional about their mate value? Why are the bottom 50% of men not sending all their like to the bottom 50%? <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:51 PM
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70% of men ARE in committed relationships currently. You can look up the statistics yourself. It's even in the well cited pew studies. People are in commited relationships without producing babies. I am 41, 20years of committed relationships, zero kids. Assortative mating is very much intact. Look at the studies please, instead of listening to some charlatans. Assortative mating is increasing, as reasons for hypergamy diminish further in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:45 PM
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Superior in what sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:29 PM
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What is the problem of female sexuality portrayed for the sake of man's pleasure? We have media that is specifically for female pleasure as well. Let men have their sexually stimulating media!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:21 PM
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That doesn't keep 70% of women from being in committed relationships currently, and at least half of the rest, having been and soon being in committed relationships again. So, where are these women, whose failure to understand sexual market value and relationship market value, leads them to have problems finding relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:16 PM
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you cannot provide evidence for your claims. So i'll just not accept your statements and rather rely on the studies i have read on the topic. If i would have seen ANY evidence that points to biology not having an impact on submissiveness, i would not ask for the studies. I don't think they exist, and your refusal to provide them, seems to agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:12 PM
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So to fix relationships and dating, the single men just need to stop expecting Chad treatment as the measure of attraction? Is it really that easy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:53 PM
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" What are the studies you want me to read, where i see how i am wrong?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:40 PM
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are you somehow pissed that your bi ass is not included?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:59 PM
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Studies that look at the attractiveness rating use non-makeup faces for both sexes. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:49 PM
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We generally only deal with heterosexual mating dynamics here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:45 PM
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How about the explanation that young men are just not having the social skills anymore to get into relationships. They are still required to be the active parts, but 8 hours of instagram/tiktok a day don't prepare you to fill that role.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:43 PM
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That is what this is about, yes. Mating dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:42 PM
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THere is none. It's a coping mechanism to explain why equally attractive women don't want to have sex with them, without it bei their own fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:38 PM
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Of course it's that way. But the unsuccessful men need to have a story that explains their failure without them being the issue. You know, the accountability that they always want to see in women..
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:37 PM
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Lots of words for clumsily repeating the well established fact, that men have way less requirements for sexual partners than women, and a greater libido, and a little less requirements for committed relationship partners than women. For which the understanding of the biological foundation goes back to 1948. Bateman, and later Trivers , emphasized that in anisogamous species: – Females produce few, large, immobile gametes (eggs) – Males produce many, small, mobile gametes (sperm) This asymmetry d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:28 PM
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Bring the evidence, then, so i can change my mind
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:26 AM
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Then imagine things happen not like you are sure they would. THen find evidence to support one or the other, to clear up the conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:58 PM
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Bro, you made the original argument. I responded with a counter saying it might be socialisation. Exactly, that's why you have to prove it's your explanation. Imagine i said: it's due to ice cream consumption differences, and YOU would have to PROVE that it isn't due to ice cream consumption differences. Are you sure you're a scientist? You are making a fool of yourself and are so limited in your understanding of science, that you do not even realize that you are the fool here. Jesus Christ. WHE…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 05:36 PM
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In the attention economy, it is very well a competition on who has it worse. Who screams the loudest, who gets the most attention and victim points. The few people who "control the power and the wealth" are not the ones who make most people suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 05:20 PM
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You would need to prove that what we're seeing is a result of selection pressure and not just a result of deeply ingrained socialisation. You are making the claim that it's due to socialization but i have to prove it isn't? That's not how it works. I made the claim that evolution shapes the differences between men and women and i have given your arguments for why it's beneficial for women to be submissive compared to dominant. That we can see this pattern over all cultures should be a hint for y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 05:02 PM
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Submissiveness was only recognized as a positive feminine trait since around 4,000 years ago. That is not long enough for natural selection to really make a difference. We don't know what prehistoric humans selected for and we will probably never know. We know what prehistoric humans selected for, because we are dealing with the consequences of that today. Not all men like submissive women. Maybe even most do not like submissive women. It certainly isn't something that genetically fit men automa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 04:18 PM
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Do you think the majority of men who struggle have no active social life and friends? Yes, i do. Furthermore, to those who don’t, it’s extremely condescending to tell someone to just “try having friends” when there may be a myriad of reasons they find it difficult to form friendships. I have days on this sub, where every post of a man i click on is from an autist. They have the most issues with understanding mating and romantic relationships, friendships etc. They are just fucked. They should kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:51 PM
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Do you feel better about yourself when your husband says that you look beautiful to him, or when he says you look ugly to him today?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:41 PM
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It does though. Same goes for men and how women see us.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:30 PM
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That is what you said, not what i said. Try engaging with my points, not the ones you make up in your mind as a strawman to attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:30 PM
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The difference is that men innately want to dominate. If they lose yes they must submit. This is in contrast to women who want to find a more dominant man to be subordinate to. No they don't. There are different strategies that are all viable. On average, men are more dominant than women, yes. The difference between the sexes is moderate though. Men are about 0.4-0.5 standard deviations more dominant than women, on average. As you certainly know, there are also submissive men and very dominant w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:23 PM
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Your genetic setup is to a large degree influencing your behavior. There is no single gene that codes for submissiveness. There are many, and submissiveness is not 0 or 1 coded, but on a spectrum. Women who were more submissive had evolutionary fitness benefits. They got selected more by genetically fit men, and they had survival and procreation benefits for causing more cooperative situations than confrontative situations in their social contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:18 PM
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Maybe look at the evolutionary perspective, like i said.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:10 PM
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I am a biologist. My main hobby is looking into science on human mating. I never said women are domesticated. I compared the process of preferential selection of individuals with desired traits. I am very open to stand corrected. You list intra sexual conflict as a reason why women got submissive (if i understand you correctly). Isn't that exactly the "sexual selection" reason i mentioned? What are the studies you want me to read, where i see how i am wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 12:33 PM
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In a world where love often feels conditional, that kind of blind devotion is a weird but real power move. Love IS conditional. And it is no less conditional in a partner who is obsessed with you. Obsession is an intense psychological state marked by compulsive attention, emotional fixation, and intrusive thoughts about a person. While it may feel unconditional because of its intensity, obsession is fundamentally driven by specific needs, insecurities, or idealizations. If your behavior, appeara…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 12:27 PM
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School Matchmade by friends in university University Bumble
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 11:51 AM
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The men who are not the pickers now have not been the pickers in 2005.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 11:21 AM
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Well, her social status and self worth depend on it to a relevant amount. That's a good reason to appeal to the male gaze.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 10:56 AM
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In 2021, Sophia Urista urinated on a male fan on stage, and then kicked him. She suffered some minor consequences, but was not cancelled for it, and 4 years later, her career is still going strong. That was consensual. Any man who urinated on and kicked a female fan on stage would be cancelled if not locked up for it. Prove it. Imagine if a male artist talked about the wet dream he had had the previous night in front of an all-ages audience. "Imagine" is an argument now? You think what you THINK…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 10:33 AM
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Address the rest of the comment please. Also, could you become rich by ghostwriting dating profiles?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 09:21 AM
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Men aren't approaching women because they don't want to make them feel uncomfortable. How do we differentiate this from men just coping with their insecurity? Lack of accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 09:09 AM
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How long did you think about that question? Men are turned on by PICTURES of women. There is no possibility to "act feminine" that could be a prerequisite for getting turned on. Men can get hard for a can of warm ground beef. A masculine acting woman who looks hot will definitely be enough to be able to get hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 09:06 AM
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I cannot remember to have ever gotten rejected at the point of asking a woman out. Maybe some absolutely unremarkable ("no, not interested") online dating rejections or ghosting, when directly asking for a meetup. Rejection happens way before i would ask for a date. Either by directly telling me, or by lack of enthusiasm for me. Nothing bad ever happened to me after being rejected at any stage of trying to go on a date with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 08:28 AM
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Congratulations, you just invented courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:56 AM
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I think a lot of men’s major hurdle is just finding good, quality opportunities to meet compatible women. But not for the lack of quality opportunities, but for the men's personalities and lifestyle. Try having friends and an active social life with non-male dominated hobbies and a not terminally online lifestyle. Try not being a niceguy who thinks talking to a woman is "bothering" her. WIth that mindset and crippling fear, low selfesteem, and view of men, your LEAST problem is quality opportuni…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:52 AM
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Your post and all of your replies are just the same regurgitated things that all woke people repeat. There is not a single unique, personal thought in them. Why do you do that? Are you really looking to change your mind here, when a better argument comes around? Are you dealing with your own femininity as a man? Are you looking for moral status points from your fellow wokies? What kind of argument or data would we need to bring up, that you changed your mind? If you can't think of anything, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:46 AM
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Cooperation also works when there are slight differences in average expressions of dominance in men and women. You are probably overexaggerating what this difference is
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:37 AM
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Then explain how evolution and sexual selection wouldn't have favored a submissive gene setup in women. Think about domestication of animals. How many dominant and rebellious domesticated animals do you see around? Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:36 AM
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Men in power did the same to other men. Being rebellious against forces that put you in a submissive position is a trait of suppressed people, not one of women or men. You are not analyzing this on same levels of power. Also, you have a romanticized view of women in your head, when you talk about art and beautiful birds. Art, poetry, craftsmanship, etc. are predominantly all male traits, based in courtship and expression of skills to attract women. (of course, women are also artists, but it's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:31 AM
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There's a common belief here that men have terrible personalities and if it was only for improving this one aspect that they have agency over - they would magically overcome some relationship obstacle. No, there is not the common belief that men have terrible personalities. There is also not the belief that women have good personalities. But this can be disproven by the fact that if most men actually gave their dating profiles over to women (and paid them a fuck load of money) - women would be e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:14 AM
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You assume so many things. This is just a thing in your head. Red pill women rejecting red pill loser men. Great. What is there to debate? Most men and women are not red pill online warriors and they both do their fair share of vetting and still sometimes end up with terrible partners, whom they submit to or not submit to. Why exactly do we need to argue about this "special breed of man in pill spaces"? What is the benefit? Do you need screeching gender and pill wars everyday to be entertained?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 05:40 PM
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Shaming is an effective tool. It doesn't lead to changed preferences, but it can lead to changed behavior. For example: i still fuck fat women, when they fall into my lap, but i hide that from people who would shame me for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 03:49 PM
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What women think on average about men, is incredibly important in understanding about what attracts women. Sure, but in the end, you are still an individuum and not a statistical average. If you are a feminine man, you will likely lean into another demographic of women with different preferences. There are masculine women who are into feminine men. It's good to know, that most women wont be attracted to you, but it's bad advice to try to be masculine, to appeal to the average, when you can just …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 03:45 PM
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Thanks for coming around and agreeing that i am right with what i said, baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 03:38 PM
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From the title alone, i knew it's a post from you. The topic is just a "you issue". It's your fear, your low self esteem. That we see in all of your threads. It's all you seem to think about. You have no basis to say anything about "the average man". Deal with your own demons. The average man is fine, according to the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 03:36 PM
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Looks only weakly correlate with number of sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 10:55 AM
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Please, support your claims with some evidence. In affective science, emotions are defined as brief, intense responses to specific stimuli. They usually last from a few seconds to a few minutes. For example: Fear might spike rapidly when you perceive a threat and subside as soon as the threat is gone. Joy might surge in response to good news and fade as you return to baseline. Empirical studies using experience sampling and physiological monitoring show that most emotional episodes last less tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 10:53 AM
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If a woman doesnt change during the relationship the love will remain. Bullshit. The man can change and lose interest in the same woman. Do you even have relationship experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:31 AM
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Yes, if you were unattractive in your 20s and improved it’s entirely possible to attract more women in your 30s. That’s your OWN peak. Not when men theoretically peak in attractiveness. But all we ever have is our own individual case. Who the fuck cares what the average is for anything, when i am looking at my own dating and casual sex life? My point is if you are a young man, YOU TIME TO ACT IS NOW. Sure, but starting out from being unattractive in your mid 20s, having missed a lot of developme…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:28 AM
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So you want to force people to do what they don't want to make it fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:23 PM
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Post ANY of those data sets
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:14 PM
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So, argue with the fact that women use true crime to avoid becoming a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:13 PM
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You don't have a solution? You propose a non-working scenario and then wonder why i say that it is not leading to a fairer situation, because the only way it would lead to having casual sex is by forcing women to do that. Come back with a proposal that actually IN THEORY works, when you want to make something fair
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:12 PM
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Extensive research and looking at data sets? What data sets?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:10 PM
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Seems good enough. Then just engage with the women you meet and act on your motivation to want to have sex with them. Also, of course status and resources work on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:08 PM
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And i explained to you why the misogynists in this sub still struggle, even if that were true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:05 PM
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I am not taking anything personal. I am not even in an emotionally heightened state. It's pretty easy = your value determines your mate value. If the people on your value level are not "good enough", you can improve your mate value until you get what you want. It's not about winning the lottery. At a certain level, you can just pick good partners. If you have a girlfriend you’re happy with, why do you even care if women opt out of dating? I don't care the slightest if anyone opts out of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:04 PM
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Well if there is no force involved, how do you think women are going to have sex with all the men, when they currently, without force, are not doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:10 PM
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Sex in a committed relationship is something different than casual sex. Few women are into casual sex. You want to force all the women who don't like casual sex to have it, just because men are more into casual sex? How is this fair, when men get what they want at the cost of women being forced to do something they don't want?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:48 PM
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Do you think women of all leagues are interested in having casual sex with the men of their league? If not, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:42 PM
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Why do you still run with the story that women are attracted to misogyny when you know it's wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:40 PM
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Okay, what sort of personality do I need to cultivate to find a higher number of partners? You cannot change how much having new sex partners motivates you. You need to make having new sex partners a priority for you in your life. This will be a lot harder for you, if you are not as intrinsically motivated as other men. Not even these women want me. What have you done to be so sure of it? In general, what have you done to have more casual sex encounters? have you changed your hobbies, dropped ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:39 PM
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Those men are not a monolith. You would need to ask every single one of them for their motivations. The women i am interested in, and those who are interested in me, share a mutual preference and understanding of me being " generally more competent and able in more areas that they value than they are". This naturally comes with large age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:27 PM
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Men who act holier than thou when it comes to women’s selectivity. You’d act exactly the same in their shoes How is that an argument for anything? Tell that to feminists: "if you were men, you would also oppress and objectify women, and establish a patriarchy, so calm your tits and just accept how things are!" Really? Rather ask the question: can we reasonable change something that causes issues, to achieve a new status quo that increases overall wellbeing? Or should we just accept that men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:18 PM
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"I want this test because I want to know whose sperm fertilized your egg." I want to have a certificate that says my sperm fertilized your egg. Please help me get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:06 PM
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unconditional love does not mean loving someone forever no matter what they do it means that someone can be loved simply due to their nature and nothing else. Are you fucking kidding me? It does not mean that someone CAN be loved by SOMEONE simply due to their nature. Look at children. They are loved by their parents, and their love towards the children remains, no matter what the children do. It's even a one-sided love, and it still holds. Why would an intelligent person like chris rock insinua…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:05 PM
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Are women in your league interested in having casual sex with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 01:41 PM
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Please cite your sources unless this is just a troll post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 01:38 PM
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It is not an accusation. Do you think being jealous is an accusation? If yes, why is it different than a paternity test? If not, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:57 PM
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What is there to lol about?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:38 PM
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You misunderstood what i mean with complete package. It wasn't meant with a value judgment, or an ideal in mind. Just everything that makes up who a person is, is the complete package. I am a fun, loving and sexy 40+yo man, and my girlfriend brings to the table what is required to attract and bind me to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:22 PM
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"No, honey, I don't think you cheated, but take this test that proves the child you carried is my child, not another man's" means the husband thinks it is another man's You didn't listen to me. maybe because you are emotional again? Try to cool down and re-read what i wrote. All emotions are short lived.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:16 PM
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unconditional just means without qualifications. No. It means that being loved by your romantic partner does not depend on conditions being met. What you are talking about is the notion that women have inherent value that men will want to be with them for, while men do not, and need to build their value to women. This is wrong and only perpetuated by men who think they have no value. A low value man can't just sit at home and swipe on the apps or go to a bar in a sexy suit and get approached by …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:14 PM
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What is this? Are you going for a pissing contest? I am not interested in that. My issue is that every single differential gender treatment favors women over men. You are wrong. I proved it. Now what? Go on as if nothing happened, like in the true crime thread? How many times do i need to prove you wrong, before you change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:12 AM
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I mean I'd hope your partner takes some offense to being accused of cheating? Unless they're without emotions. Sure, be offended, have your emotions. That is a very short lived and small price to pay, for a lifetime of paternity security. A paternity test is not an accusation of cheating. It's the acknowledgement that paternity fraud happens. And that being absolutely convinced that your partner didn't cheat, does not prevent paternity fraud. Requesting the test does not mean i assume you cheate…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:09 AM
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So you are not interested to find out the truth? you just want to debate humans, because they are less likely to shake your worldview?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:49 AM
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Men are socially rewarded or gain status for having many sexual partners; women are shamed or degraded for the same behavior. Men are less pressured to maintain youthful beauty standards or physical perfection. Men are allowed, even expected, to be aggressive, dominant, and assertive without social penalty. Men are rarely expected to sacrifice or scale back their careers for family life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:41 AM
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Because you know you cannot win vs an LLM? So you are not interested in findign out the truth, but rather hammering people into submission until they give up because you are not able to accept when you are wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:36 AM
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I never understood why this is such a hot topic. If you want a DNA test, get one. Who the fuck cares if it upsets the woman. What kind of colossal pussy do you need to be, to not be able to express your needs regarding paternity security to the woman you want to be a parents of a child with?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:33 AM
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Something being written by AI doesn't make it untrue or not part of an argument. AI is a tool that saves time. I wouldn't want to put in the time to talk to you in this detail. So be happy that AI is able to write complex and detailed answers, that you wouldn't get otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:23 AM
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Men and women are not the same. Don't expect them to be treated the same. If you expect equal outcomes and think men and women are the same, you can be frustrated together with the radical feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:21 AM
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And i debunked you. I don't care if you do not read how i debunk you or if you lack cognitive ability to understand an argument or a source. Just putting out statements is not winning an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:08 AM
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this is not what this thread is about. Also, with "your threads" i was including his other threads, who further the gender war.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:01 AM
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Legally? Yes. How people react to it is part of the culture. Why would you expect that critique of men and women is received the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:59 AM
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But then I come on here and it’s treated like the default way of dating. Because "here" is a special demographic of men who don't have a way to meet women outside of dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:58 AM
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Yes, there is no default morality. Everything happens between two people who need to talk about rules, ethics and expectations. Even if 95% followed a default morality, how do you know the person you are currently seeing isn't belonging to the 5% who don't? You are always better suited with assuming nothing and speaking about the things you want. Are there still baseline dating ethics, or is it purely "buyer beware" now? Don't expect anything. Make sure you are on the same page. Should exclusivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:54 AM
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So what? That is art. People react to it. I wish feminists would respect men the way they ask us to respect them… You are the problem in this world. Stop furthering the gender war with your threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:50 AM
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It has nothing to do with likelihood to become victims between men and women. Women consume true crime with female victims mostly. Men are often victims of different crimes than women. Differently motivated, differently expressed. Men are completely different. I won't go into how taking risks is a male thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:44 AM
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I’ve never understood why some men expected a woman to default “submit to him” or “submit to men” without him inspiring it. Because their default assumption is, that they inspire this in the woman. That she trusts him to be generally more competent and able in more areas that they value than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:40 AM
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The last thread dubiously made the claim that women are attracted to misogyny. And it was debunked by multiple people. So why do you run with it? If women are attracted to misogyny, then why do so many men here, who are misogynistic by nature, struggle? Because those men have other traits that make them undesirable. The study was about sexually active men. So whatever the misogynists had besides their misogyny, was attractive enough to let them have sex with women. The men who struggle here, do …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:37 AM
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Because you can't. You cannot even understand how learning about how crime is perpetrated can help you safeguard yourself against becoming a victim. I doesn't matter who writes the arguments against you. You just lost and you are either too deep in your ideology of hating women, or you are really cognitively unable to have this debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:25 AM
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Red pillers are not the red pill. Just as you are not the blue pill. You are a pretty extreme outlier, a woke feminist, drowning in ideology. Not representative of the blue pill with what you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:22 AM
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Nah, it would be fair if people want to have sex equally. Kinda within leagues. So you match people up by leagues, and then let them decide if they want to have sex with each other? Or are they forced to have sex? Because if you force them, this is not fair. Men want to have sex with random women of their league way more than women want that with men. How is it fair to men and women, when one side gets disproportionately forced to have sex against their will? In case you don't force them, you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:19 AM
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I would bet women initiate breakups at the same rate, possibly more. You would lose. Women and men break up to equal parts in relationships that are not marriages. Women initiate divorce 7 times out of 10 Yes, but that is just about the formal initiation. You know, i hand over the money most of the times when the check comes in a restaurant. But most of the times, my gf handed my her part of the check in cash just before or after. You would need to look at the whole process and not just at who f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:09 AM
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What i mean with "If you brought something to the table, that fun, loving and sexy 40+yo men want," is regarding the complete package. All the good things and the bad things. If the whole package is something that those men want, she has no issues finding them and getting with them. If the things that a negative issues make her package a net-negative deal for those men, she will not be successful with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:07 AM
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I enjoy promiscuous women. I have my part in "creating" them, but not because i am desperate, but because i enjoy having new sex partners. You bring the moral judgment into this. I couldn't care less about single moms, just like i don't care about the other 99%+ of the female population, who i do not regard as potential mates. I couldn't care less about only fans models. I encouraged my gf to start an onlyfans if she needs extra money. No need to come after women or other men. I'd rather come af…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:04 AM
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Please, be my guest and post the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:55 AM
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Or perhaps Dr. Stephanie Ortigue who is known for neurological studies of romantic love. She (and her team) mapped love in the brain such as dopamine, oxytocin, etc etc (pretty much what you were trying to throw at me). But she also concluded (and I quote again) that "Love is both science and something beyond science. It touches areas of the brain that are also active in deep spirituality and self-identity.”. So you are now quoting people who very much stress that love has a core scientific basi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:52 AM
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You butchered my words and just quoted one part. What i said is about the number of sexual partners being dependent on how much effort you put into it, because your personality needs to have lots of sexual partners more than other men. With equally high needs for sex, the tall and attractive man will be able to have more sex partners. But with personality being variable, like it is in real life, the trait that predicts sex partner count more than attractiveness and height, is personality. Want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:42 AM
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If love is just dopamine and serotonin, then why did you need a girlfriend? You are an embarassment to your professors and to all of biology. After all i wrote, you are still struggling to understand how dopamine motivates behavior? How the love drive, with all it's mechanisms and neurotransmitters makes me attracted to a certain kind of woman, makes me want to have sex with her, makes me bonded to her and makes me want to be with her in a close relationship? I explained EVERYTHING. It’s ironic …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:29 AM
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willing to love her without knowing anything about Love is not a decision. If it were, that would also be hinting at it not being unconditional. A series of conditional love events does not make love unconditional. The unconditional element is important for how one feels in the loving pair bond, how secure and how independent of one's own value one is loved. This does is not how real life is. Love is conditional for women, too. Before a man wins the affection of others he needs to demonstrate a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:19 AM
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You cannot imagine why you maybe do not want to have sex with a 70 year old woman with no tits after breast cancer, 150 kg and whose idea of having sex is pegging you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:13 AM
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How does turning the horrifying things that happened to others into entertainment make you any safer? If anything, it makes you less safe because it makes you think the world is far more dangerous than it really is (see the whole man vs best thing) This is complete nonsense. Let AI do the reasoning. The argument that consuming true crime content can increase personal safety, especially when done with an educational intent, is grounded in practical behavioral science and criminological evidence. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:03 AM
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Because you will find examples of people mocking anything. Mental health month is no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:58 AM
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That doesn't change the fact that women are loved CONDITIONALLY. If the conditions aren't met, love ends. We can see that happening in about half of all breakups.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:02 PM
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You are cherry picking individuals/subgroupps of the red pill whose actions and ideas have nothing to do with the red pill. The red pill doesn't whine, it's not a movement with a goal. The red pill doesn't concern itself with paternity testing at all. Not everything someone with a red pill flair says is a red pill stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:59 PM
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You are not jealous, you are envious. Jealousy is the emotion you feel when you fear losing something or someone to another person. Envy is the emotion you feel when someone else has something you lack, and you wish you had it. It would not be fair if sex is equally distributed, as this neglects if people WANT to have sex with the people they got distributed to. It's fairer that everyone has the chance to have sex with the people they can attract for sex. So every sexual encounter is one that bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:52 PM
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Aren't greedy Chads, spoiling simps, misogynist incels, whining niceguys, woke allies and other groups of men regularly held accountabale for their negative impact on the dating market? Not that i agree with any of the "holding accountable" issues, but there is action in this regard from men that subscribe to the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:40 PM
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How can you even think that women are loved unconditionally, when men break up with them and lose their love for them when they cheat on them. That is a conditional love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:34 PM
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OP does not limit himself at all. OP is a short indian virgin teenager who is angry at women and their choice of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:31 PM
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You are pretty alone in that view. Men disagree and most women also disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:22 PM
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You should let Ai write your responses, because if you try to argue yourself, it doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:19 PM
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You are repeating what i said. For women, the number of sex partners is only restricted/determined by their personality, not by the availability of men who want to have sex with them. For men, it's personality to the largest degree, but social status, attractiveness and wealth also play limiting or enabling factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:29 PM
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That means it's especially for women the case, that personality determines the number of sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:16 PM
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i am a therapist for young borderline women who look for validation from an older man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:06 PM
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But what do you think? Men and women differ fundamentally in what triggers jealousy/threatens the relationship the most. For men, it's when their partner is not sexually exclusive with them. For women it's when their partner is not emotionally exclusive with them and when their partner is sharing his resources with other women, or receiving other women's nurturing. For women, it's fine if men watch porn, but it's not fine if they send other women money. For men, it's fine if some other dude send…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:42 PM
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I am saying this for years already: having lots of sex partners is a personality issue, not an attractiveness issue. The men in the sex focused group do what is necessary to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:11 PM
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The highest correlation related to sex was substance abuse, probably correlating with $ rather than "drugs cause sex". Libido increasing drugs that keep you up all weekend, horny as fuck, wanting to have sex with anything that moves, disregarding all safety concerns are cheap as fuck. You couldn't get drunk cheaper. People who consume them do want to have sex. They find each other, take drugs and have sex. It's a subsample of the population: sex positive, sociosexually unrestricted, drug positiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:09 PM
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Those men where 8% of the sample and they only had double the average sex partner count. So no, women overwhelmingly do have sex with non-misogynistic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:53 PM
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Why didn't you report, that the 4th group, the "sex-focused" had more then THREE TIMES the average sex partner count than the misogynistic men's group? With an average of 52 (compared to 15 of the misogynistic group) sex partners at an average age of 21.8 years old. The men in this groupp were described as: "We named the fourth group, the smallest identified at 4 % of the sample, Sex Focused. These men’s endorsement of traditional masculinity ideology and their hostility toward women were low to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:50 PM
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I don't know what a wifi enabled personality is and i feel flattered that you think my life/person is larping instead of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:57 PM
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That is precisely why you don't put in extreme efforts to make sure your partner is not lieing. You adjust your efforts to the likelihood. I don't say that your partner is like me. I just say that you are way too sure that your partner isn't like me. If it's important to know the truth, put in the effort to find out. If you are fine with living a lie, then don't go digging.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:51 PM
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Yes, i have an open relationship with my girlfriend. So non-monogamous. This doesn't mean that there is no cheating possible. I cheat in addition to having an open relationship. So going beyond the rules of the relationship. Did that clear it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:37 PM
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you have claimed these women still sleep with you despite knowing so I guess you lied all those times too. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:15 PM
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You don't want to think about what i said. Doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:14 PM
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What men miss out about "the light switch effect" is that it doesn't happen overnight What you miss about the light switch effect, is that it is very much an overnight loss of attraction. What you talk about is not the light switch effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:45 PM
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This is proof that women and men love in fundamentally different ways: Men love in a linear, enduring way their emotional investment lingers. Women love based on emotion in the moment when the emotion dies, so does the attachment. the light switch effect is not about how people think about their exes, but about how/why love/attraction can suddenly end. Women do not love based on emotion. Love is not about emotional investment that lingers. Men and women can experience the light switch flipping, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:39 PM
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Those get togethers and clubs are mostly >50% male. So where is the female privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:44 PM
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Doesn't reflect well on you to not understand what "most" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:41 PM
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Bold of you to assume we live in a social dystopia. Isn't everyone having their individual social situation? How is the system affecting this? I am living in a social utopia. I regularly am convinced that it's not possible to be any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:40 PM
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Friends are a defined subset of people that use each other until they become useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:38 PM
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I feel a little better that my man-picker worked because I DID marry a faithful man who is honest, not violent, not two-faced, who provides that safety for us 100 percent. How can you even say something like that? What you see is just the outside. It might be also what is on the inside, but it also might be good deception and lies. My gf is also into true crime. She thinks she picked a faithful and honest man. I am neither faithful nor honest. I am just a very good liar and deceiver. You never k…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:32 PM
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Please, tell me, without anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:18 PM
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Less than 0.1% of women have a triple digit body count. There are enough sociosexually unrestricted men who are promiscuous themselves, who see no problem in this lifestyle but rather welcome a shared value in this regard. They do not see this as a reason to not commit this woman. Also, if these women have the experience of not being accepted as long term partners, while reading everywhere about promiscuous women not being wanted, etc., don't you think their next approach is to just lie about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:14 PM
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Those women stop that behavior when they get into a relationship with a man who can validate them for other things than sex. People just want to be loved and told they are worth something.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:00 PM
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My boring days are in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:47 PM
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Because the advice is clearly aimed at people who do have friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:44 PM
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You obviously didn't read the whole reply. Also, there have always been people who have no friends/do not get invited to parties. It's those people who struggle and they can't just throw a party.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:27 PM
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There's a real sense that wanting to have sex makes a man sexually undesirable That is why women lose interest in men who don't make it clear that they are sexually interested on the first date and reflect that in behavior and words? So many men struggle with expressing this sexual interest out of fear to be rejected or to "bother" women. "How can i escalate things" is a common topic. A woman who wants sex can literally just ask and get it, whereas even an attractive man may have to pretend or l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:20 PM
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That's why people call you boring. I have 10+ years of being a boring DnD nerd under my belt. A day/night of playing DnD is not a party in the sense of what you layed out in the OP. Nobody ever called our DnD sessions a party.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:09 PM
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I didn't see you provided some links and quotes in the previous comment. So i will answer to thoes: So I will side with... The professionals at Toronto Wellness Counseling: "It’s important to remember that when we are intimate with another, our bodies release oxytocin and for a moment, we can feel deeply bonded to that person. Therefore, to be able to bond and then quickly break that bond, can take a tremendous toll on our ability to safely and securely attach to others." This is just another ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:55 PM
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How can I be a liar about my beliefs based on 50+ years of life experience, as well as discussions with many other people? Because you do not make claims about what you experienced but claims about the reality of pair bonding capacity and promiscuity. Your biased perception, biased sample size, biased everything and lacking ability to do the analysis is no basis for an argument about how reality is. You can claim I'm incorrect, but the accusation of 'lying' is a bit over the top. Don't you think…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:16 PM
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At this point, you just don't want to believe it. But why am i even arguing with a guy with depression and bodydysmorphia, about average height not being seen as a hideous freak. You are unable to see yourself as anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:10 PM
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I am not going to post pictures on reddit. But you can have my looksmaxxingAI output Adjusted Evaluation (Age-Weighted) Facial Structure High cheekbones and a pronounced jawline, particularly visible in the first and third image, indicate a masculine and photogenic bone structure. Facial symmetry is solid. No visible facial imbalances or disharmony between upper/mid/lower thirds. Canthal tilt is neutral to slightly positive, which is generally favorable. Your bone structure holds up extremely we…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:02 PM
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I really do not want to make this even broader of a conversation. My initial comment was: " I call you a liar on that. Prove me wrong if you can." And since then i repeated, that you failed to show how promiscuity reduces capacity for pair bonding. All i want is that you provide some evidence for this claim. Nothing more, nothing less. I will deal with your evidence, when you provide it. I am not dealing with your "promiscuity has negative consequences for society" because those are value based …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 11:49 AM
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So, do you change your view that just being average height doesn't make one a hideous freak? You need to add several below average traits to accomplish that result. Why are you fat though? If anything, you should overcompensate for your below average traits. Just eating less and building some muscle is hardly too much self improvement, and the results are massive!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 11:40 AM
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Nobody here having chemsex? Lasting 10+ hours? Having sex for days?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 11:14 AM
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How is this a vomit response? I've read the articles a year ago when i dug into the true crime issue with women. I am refuting the OPs statements with evidence, that i am not going to type out myself, but just checking if what the AI writes is the same that i have read last year. Vomit is hardly structured and emphasized so one doesn'T have to read everything. Do you have a problem with answers that provide sources? Not so easy to keep posting feelings, when there is facts available.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:59 AM
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Women have inherent value because women provide what men are biologically driven to=sex. Do men provide what women are biologically driven to= resources, Nope Resources is more than money. Also, women are also driven to status and good genes. If men didn't provide what women are driven to, we wouldn't see 70% of women being in committed relationships with men, at any given point in time. Whatever men are able to provide, it's enough to fall in love with them and to want to be with them. Same goe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:46 AM
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From an objective point of view, this is a really messed up hobby. You’re turning the trauma and suffering of others into your entertainment, the same way “Revenge of the Sith” (entirely fictional) is my entertainment. Women's main motivation to be into true crime is to prepare and avoid to become a victim. Similarly, men are into war. With true crime, the fans are clearly in it for entertainment, not for clearing an innocent man’s name. They are not. Read the respective literature on it. It wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:31 AM
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... no reason to comment that unless you meant the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:18 AM
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My point was: we have always been a commodity. There is no need to transform to one. Different traits are valued differently. This changes with environmental factors and culture. Go with the times, adapt to the new weights for the traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:17 AM
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I am average height and i can't go a week without random people telling me i am hot. And i've got the casual sex life to prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:10 AM
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You seem to be hyper focused on the male perspective. Have you thought about the consequences of sexually predatory men using and discarding women on a large scale? Yes i have thought about the female perspective. Promiscuity CAN be harmful, just as commtited relationships can be harmful, when you are dealing with predatory abusive men. Duh. Women bond more quickly over sex with a person, and breaking that bond after sex might hurt. But that doesn't diminish their capacity to pair bond with futu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:09 AM
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You clearly never had a great long term relationship. She literally said that to me this weekend, and not for the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:56 AM
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Reduced Capacity for Intimacy: The quick bonding and detachment that can occur with casual sex can take a toll on the ability to form strong, secure attachments. Provide the link that supports this statement, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:52 AM
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Nothing similarly "must supress" like this exists for women imo (also according to themselves). Sure, women are shamed too and there are men who talk very badly about them, but I don't belive that is a similar fundamental truth. What? The suppression of female sexuality is THE major thing. Women can date men who are ok with casual sex, escorts can find boyfriends easily Okay, if you think large parts of the male demographic absolutely rejecting escorts as wife material, is "easily" finding boyfr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:44 AM
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Women only care about what you offer them. That is the same with men. Relationships are transactional. If you don't want to be what someone needs, you will not be what someone wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:13 PM
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That 45%, where do you got that from? A survey on twitter of an incel-adjacent sphere of followers? Since when do we take random internet polls as a basis for how we think about reality? Where do you have the definition from of what counts as "approaching" in this survey?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:09 PM
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Did you consent to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:48 PM
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Start with having friends. Or maybe go back one step and start with being socially adapted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:45 PM
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I just was at a 22 people party in a 1 bed rental apartment (55 m²) where the host worked from home. Great party!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:42 PM
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Wait, people are not throwing house parties anymore? Not even meeting for boardgames, or just talking over a glass of beer/wine? What are people doing with their friends then? Also, there have always been people who have no friends/do not get invited to parties. It's those people who struggle and they can't just throw a party.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:37 PM
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You can make up the rules for the relationship you are in. There are no predefined rulesets for sexual or non-sexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:06 PM
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And you can also do that with red pill, because red pill, in the end, is just mating science for bros. The Op is wrong about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:40 PM
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I think the first thing is, men don’t have to be attractive to the highest number of women possible. This drives comes from a competitive place but also one of exerting status - here is the problem though. Like anything, if you try to be the ‘most appealing’, the more you are trading yourself in for the most validation. In other words, your worldview becomes dependent on “how many people like me” No, being attractive to the most people does not automatically mean one gets dependent on how many p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:53 PM
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It's stunning how nobody understands what emotional intelligence is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:34 PM
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I believe promiscuity is mutually exclusive with the ability to pair bond, and therefore deepen romantic love. And i am telling you, your belief is not based on evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love But it's fruitless to argue with someone who has probably forgotten what real intimacy was like I do not even have to argue from personal experience. I can argue from what science has found out about love and pair bonding. Let's assume i have forgotten what real intimacy is…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:28 PM
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Well, i have the lived experience of my long term girlfriend giving lots of fucks about me. I am the most important person in her life. She is going to extremes to show me what i mean to her. And regarding the women i have casual sex relationships with, we just give enough fucks about each other to satisfy our needs and have a good time. Giving more fucks would actually be a problem there. I care enough about them and they about me, so everyone feels good with being intimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:16 PM
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Ok "chad", I'll humor you... Pair bonding basically describes the strong attachment between 2 individuals, in a romantic context. It involves commitment and a sense of partnership, as opposed to temporary fleeting or casual interactions, which tend to be purely physical in nature. How to establish or deepen a pair bond? In a word, intimacy. Which involves the physical and emotional, including shared thoughts, feelings, goals, experiences and significant quality time spent together. Broadly agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:11 PM
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Don't you see that this is the same principle? Also, neither balding nor average height are seen as hideous freaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:02 PM
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i've seen women tell walking red flags that they are catches plenty of times. Red flag are subjective. when men struggle, they are told to do better. when women struggle, men are told to do better Not on here. We tell women every day to do better and it's their fault if they can't get a relationship. In real life, i also do see women telling each other that they are the problem. If you can't get women that meet your standards, you are trying to overshoot your mate value. Improve your mate value …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:04 PM
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Maybe not the government but what’s wrong with the idea of the media making guys who might have more “undesirable” traits be perceived as more attractive? Because that doesn't solve any problems. If everyone would be perceived as equally physically attractive, this trait would become irrelevant and another trait would take it's place to sort people into a hierarchy of desirability. Maybe the next thing is intelligence. Then you have the same issue again, just with different people being at the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:57 AM
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In my case, it leads to having a very desirable young girlfriend and lots of casual sex on the side. I just come out of a weekend of 2 days of having a threesome with 2 women. Result of competing for women. But if you don't want that, feel free to not compete and indulge in Esther Vilar bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:42 AM
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We have homogamy in the West. Equal mate value people married/are in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:41 AM
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Men overrate themselves even more. That still leads to couples who are matched in mate value. People adjust who they accept as partners. 70% of women are in committed relationships currently. So no, they overrating themselves doesn't lead to not picking men in their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:38 AM
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If you brought something to the table, that fun, loving and sexy 40+yo men want, then you would have no issues finding such a man for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:31 AM
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Mate value equivalents. If you can't get the fun, loving and sexy man... i have news for you, regarding your own mate value.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:30 AM
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Most women below 25 prefer to be the fucktoy of men out of their league over having an healthy relationship with their looksmatch. Both options are extremely easy to obtain for these women. Most women below 25 are in committed relationships (pew study; GSS). Where is the evidence for the claims you make?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:26 AM
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I don't want an extremist or activist. No screening needed for that, as they will happily bring their ideologies and activism up. Everything around the center is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:24 AM
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Well, good luck with that. I am doing very well, no luck required. I don't compete for any women. That explains the post. Self interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:22 AM
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. Capacity for pair bonding, vital for relationships, diminishes. I call you a liar on that. Prove me wrong if you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:20 AM
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So RPW is not about understanding human mating?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:17 AM
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Promiscuity is a mating strategy that fits for a specific personality. People who do not have that personality should not engage in promiscuity and they mostly don't. Promiscuity is great for those who have that personality. For me, promiscuity is great. It's idiotic to claim it is terrible for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:15 AM
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Meanwhile I’ve observed the red pill puts a lot of shame towards female sexuality, That is not part of the red pill. Red pill doesn't judge, it doesn't want to change the status quo, it just observes and puts out models for human mating. Shaming sexuality is part of conservative/religious ideology and values.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:05 AM
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Women that meet my standard are rare and sought after, desirable, by many men, lots of them are also pretty desirable. So there is a strong competition for those women. Men fight this competition by improving their mate value and "chasing", courting, attacking other men, etc. You falsely assume that there are no women who meet your standards. You are just not competing for them. Maybe because your mate value is too low, or because your personality doesn't lend itself to active mating. Maybe it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:32 AM
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Did it stop people from cheating? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:26 AM
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?! the story contradicts your title. The cheaters are getting married, so infidelity does not affect the institution of marriage. I am cheater too and i am going to marry and i will keep on cheating. Cheating and marriage go hand in hand pretty well. It's you who can't deal with infidelity and thereby can't be married.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:25 AM
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Because the top 20% is a very broad range of people. It's literally every 5th guy. Tall (6'+), hot and rich (100k+) is about 0.1% of the population, 1 in 1000. There are fewer men with six pack abs than there are millionaires in the US. You don't need to be all of the attractive traits at once, to be top 20%. 20% of men are: at least 5' 7" tall not obese earning at least $50.000 per year aged 20-40 any race, any marital status
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:15 AM
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Settling is not: not being attracted to him. Settling is being moderately attracted to him. It's good enough. People don't want to be only "good enough". Very insecure and inexperienced men all into the trap of using the existance of settling, as an excuse to dive deep into their inscurities about not being good enough. They "know for sure" that they will only be settled for, that a woman could never find them thrilling, and hardly even "good enough". Then they add the talk about women monkeybra…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:53 AM
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Proven wrong by all the women who are or were in sub par relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:39 AM
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As long as you don't exepct that the generalizations by gender say anything about an individual of that gender, what is the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:37 AM
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How does not chasing women help you get women that meet your standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:31 AM
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You claim to be analytical and strategic, and yet, for someone so confident in their logic, your entire worldview rests upon a single dimension of truth—biology. That is not true at all. I draw my worldview from all kinds of disciplines and sources of knowledge. How quaint. You wear your PhD like armor, assuming it makes you untouchable. But knowledge without introspection is arrogance in disguise. Not at all, that is not what a scientist does. I question myself and all sources of knowledge all …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 03:25 PM
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Many unattractive men will treat his unattractive partner as a piece of shit Where do you get that from? Why would attractiveness level be the determining factor of how someone treats their equal partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 03:14 PM
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“Criminals are able to attract women!” The women criminals attract are also criminal women. That’s why they want to date the criminal. They like crime and want to join the man who shares their interest. Nope. Of all the possible ways to attack that statement, you made up a fact.. “I’m working hard even though I don’t want to, because women require me to pay for everything!” And NO, that isn’t required. Millions of POOR, low-class men are married to mutual poor low-class women just fine - because…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:17 PM
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Absolutely. Disgusted by men by how they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 12:31 PM
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Overlap in diagnosis does not imply agreement in interpretation or remedy. Feminists might say women have more freedom and thus no longer tolerate bad relationships. Redpill types might say women are now hypergamous and disrespectful. That’s not a shared view — it’s opposite framing of the same outcome. The "value proposition" hasn’t vanished; it’s shifted. Education, emotional intelligence, stability, social status, and even domestic skills are now part of the equation. So yes, it’s no longer e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 12:30 PM
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This is an immense double standard Only when YOU treat men and women as a monolith. When 10 out of 100 women say A. And 10 other women out of those 100 say B. And A and B would be a double standard, then "women" do not have a double standard. If you want to show there is a double standard, you need to show how the same people hold views A and B. Next, you would need to show that those people are representative of their group, or have a majority in their group. It's purely an outlook on the valid…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 11:58 AM
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That is of course true. I also think that knowledge about its effect on attractiveness makes people more likely to lsoe weight. But the effect seems to be very limited. I would imagine, if there was a strong effect, and assuming everyone wants to be attractive, that we would have barely any overweight people. But apparently, even though people want to be attractive and know that overweight is not attractive, they can't seem to lose weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:50 AM
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Get back to me when you can write a proper english sentence and you can finally provide the proof that i am wrong,
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:22 AM
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It really doesn't matter what women think. Just as with the penis size debates. What counts is what men think. Do we think a guy is a loser for not being able to attract women? Yes we do. Do we determine intrasexual hierarchy positions partly by a man's ability to attract women? Yes we do. Don't make your value dependent on what women think. You should care about what men think. Because that informs who women pick. They go for the guy who is at the top of the male dominance hierarchy, determined…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:18 AM
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Obviously not, or how do you explain the 70% overweight/obese rate in the US? I don't think there is anyone who hasn't heard that obesity/overwheight is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:13 AM
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Becaues that is what hurts those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:12 AM
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How is saying if you don't have a relationship by a certain time it's your fault not blaming them? Because there is a difference between BLAMING and EXPLAINING. One includes a moral judgment, the other is cause and effect being analyzed without judgment. Blaming always includes an implicit or explicit normative evaluation. Blaming is not just saying “X caused Y.” It says “X caused Y and that was bad, wrong, or inappropriate.”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 08:16 AM
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You said if men don't have a relationship by a certain time then something is wrong with them. How can there be something wrong with them when women don't owe them a relationship? Sorry, you don't seem to have the cognitive abilities to reason in a way that is required to take part in this discussion. If there is something "wrong" with a man (very undesirable as a romantic partner), he will very likely not be able to find a relationship partner. This follows from women not owing men relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:49 AM
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I am not angry. If it's easy to prove false, then be my guest and prove it. I did not move the goal post. It was always about relationship experience, not about having had sex. I didn't prove your point in the first paragraph, i tried to repeat what you said because you were not clearly understandable to me. I asked you if this is a correct representation of what you said. Is it? I'll tell you what will a guy saying he's inexperienced and the women saying that's not a problem. Can you please mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:26 AM
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If you define hypergamy that way, everyone is hypergamous. Other than that, everyone tries to get the best partner possible, and what makes up a "best partner" differs individually but also between the sexes. People do not marry up or down when it comes to overall mate value. They marry their equals. Individual traits are more improtant to one sex than the other and are weighed differently by individuals. Why are the traits that men stereotypically desire not just as hypergamous as what women st…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:53 AM
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So what? You seem to forget that men make up half of the population and are disproportionally in seats of power. We do not care about the struggle of men. That is part of being men. How many times do we need to cite the studies about the empathy gap? You cannot change everything with activism. Men will always make up the majority of prison populations. Men will always die earlier. Men will always make up more of the people at the very top and at the very bottom. Men and women are different. Stop…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:41 AM
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What? I have to repeat because it's so hard to understand: you argued that a man can read a bunch of books on sex to make up for his inexperience, but women still said that this would not remove his undesirability due to inexperience (not having had sex), so being a virgin still is the problem, not not knowing about how to be good at sex? Is that what you said? If it is: i am not talking about sex. I am talking about relationship experience. And reading about relationships and how to be a good p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:25 AM
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?! The FLAW is the problem. That's why there is no experience in the teen and twenties years. Inexperience at 30 is the CONSEUQUENCE of the flaw. Inexperience is the proxy signal of the flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:05 AM
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You want to argue against the study with anecdotes and singular man hating feminists? That is not what average value are about. You realize that the study does not say that there are no feminist women who hate men? You understand averages?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:02 AM
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No idea, but one can go on social media and read about a lot of people who claim that they have never been in a good relationship. You think what your algorithm shows you on social media is a representation of the real world? You think when 9/10 relationship posts that are shown to you are about never having been in a good relationship, that this means 90% of people have not been in a good relationship? You think social media does not show you fake stories, or the most extreme people there are? …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:59 AM
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Wow.........you truly are a cold and calculating person aren't you? I am analytical and strategic, but i am also warm and loving. Understanding love as a biological state of the brain and body, does not make me not be madly in love with my girlfriend and be emotionally bonded with friends. Tell that to a parent holding their dying child in their arms. I am not cruel, but i would also not lie if asked. Truth > emotions, but there are limits to when i need to state the truth and when i shut up to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:49 AM
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Trying to make that clear in every age gap thread. It's an online-only topic. Started dating my current gf when she was 22 and i was 35. Never heard a single comment on it, other than high fives from some guys. Our parents never even mentioned it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 06:48 PM
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Substantial is what, in percentages?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 06:41 PM
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People your age are in settling down mode with someone they have been dating on and off the past few years and not really interested in meeting new people. When you are also in settling down mode, you will have it very easy to find people just like you with similar goals and time horizons. There are as many single women your age, as there are single men. It's not hard to find someone who looks for a serious relationship and wants to get to milestones fast. You basically will have to wait 10 year…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 05:33 PM
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What world do you live in, where women know your body count?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 05:22 PM
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No, that is not good enough of a critique. Please, read the study and attack it on an ACTUAL issue, not on the name of the journal. How absurd, that you make a red pilled anti-feminist defend a study because your critique of it is even worse than feminist ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 04:29 PM
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What world are you living in? Western women love men and by extension masculinity. They are overwhelmingly in committed relationships with men who express that masculinity. I thought we had finally settled the debate: feminists do not hate men. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03616843231202708
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 04:16 PM
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I am not angry about the current dating situation. Why would i? More freedom, more opportunities, more ways to connect, more ways to be a man/woman, more types of relationsships to have than marriage. Can't think of a time in history, where the dating situation was better. Even if i wasn't successful in mating, i am pretty sure that i wouldn't be angry at the rules that evolved. I wouldn't want to restrict people's freedom so i can culturally force someone to be with me, even though they don't w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 01:10 PM
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Men in Europe consume the same content. Why do we not see the effect there?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 01:03 PM
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Listing your hobbies doesn't require you to understand anything about yourself. You would actually need to explain what that hobby says about yourself. From the OP: When many men are told to develop a sense of style or aesthetics, they don’t self discover and only lean on what’s popular. They don’t develop their strengths, they follow rule books. That is just you assuming men do not self discover when told to develop a sense of style. Artists follow rule books, because what looks good follows ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:07 PM
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No, i read Pinker and i am not a blank slate, social constructivist. I am a biologist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:49 PM
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Because i am confrontational by nature. I only let that out in anonymous online spaces though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:30 PM
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Thanks for making the effort. You talked mostly about how you look though. That is easily observable, doesn't require introspection or "knowing who you are", and also doesn't offer anything new to a potential dating candidate, as they can already see you when talking to you. If we then also strike out your hobbies (music, literature, concerts, basketball), which is exactly what you criticized in the OP about how other men describe themselves ("what they do"), not much is left about who you are. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:24 PM
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Not much of a discussion, if you just say thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:00 PM
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No, but my 2 best female friends are midwives and i could get to more experience how it is to give birth in a long talkative night with those two, than the average woman who actually gave birth has. Because, you might have guessed it, every woman is different and every birth experience is different. Being a woman gives you a sample size of 1, for having your own birthing experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:58 PM
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I’ve been on a lot of dates and never once had a girl compliment me for making her feel safe. I do get a lot of positive feedback and compliments for making women feel safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:57 PM
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<image> Reminds me of this graph
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:54 PM
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I make people feel extremely physically and emotionally safe. I don't know exactly how i do it, but i get told that by everyone, even other men that i have just met. A big portion of how i make people feel comes from looking trustworthy and safe, and from being non-judgemental, calm, actively listening, non-needy, resting in myself and confident. People say i have an aura that is inviting and makes me seem trustworthy. Others say it's in my eyes. Overall, women and men trust me and open up emoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:52 PM
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There are more differences between the two of us, than between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:36 PM
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You also don't seem to understand that i am agreeing with you, that men and women are different on average and not at all the same. You talked about understanding experiences of the other sex, though. All men have different issues and experiences. Your experience as a man might have nothing to do with my experience as a man and you wouldn't understand how i feel being a man. My girlfriend understands my life as a man better than you do. I could explain my experience as a man to you and a woman i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:48 PM
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How do you know it's "many"? And what does "many" even mean percentage wise? I said earlier, that people who never experienced healthy relationship dynamics cannot tell apart love bombing from healthy relationship dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:44 PM
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If you understand who you are, can you please make a showcase of yourself, so the men you are addressing, can see and learn how the answer to the question "who are you?" can look like. How you describe yourself, and what you "bring to the table", outside of education, looks, money, status, etc. I am on your side. I just think that most men have never seen or heard someone really lay out who they think they are, in a way that really matters for dating/mating. Can you be the role model, or do you …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:38 PM
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That’s not what the statistics determine The statistics say nothing about an individual case, which you talked about. You don't seem to understand what it means that intra-sexual differences are larger than inter-sexual differences. Let's use body height, maybe you can understand with that example, where intra-sex variation (height difference between shortest and tallest man; where the red line touches the x-axis.) is larger than inter-sex variation (height differences between mean male and mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:14 PM
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This depends entirely on the individuals involved and not on their sex. My gf doesn't have any street harassment experience for example. You, as a black immigrant might have some. I might have a better understanding of how it is to be harassed on the streets, as i read and exchange a lot about this topic, and have more than a personal perspective on it. There goes a lot into an individual experience. People often assume, that if a group of people all experienced "street harassment", that everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 02:57 PM
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